1 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass and I Heart 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: radio podcast. Hello, my little Peanuts, it's me your host, 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: Lance Bass. This is my baby in the background screaming, 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: this is frost Tests to me Lance and my co 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: host Terrekey Dirkchi. 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 2: Hello there. 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: I'm excited about this guest. I know right off the 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: bat this is going to be a twofer because I 9 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: know this man can talk and I can talk, and 10 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: I just love him. So let's get right to it, 11 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: because we have the man, the myth, the legend, Mister 12 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: Donnie freaking' Wahlberg, all right. Donald Edmund Wahlberg, Junior is 13 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: an American singer, songwriter, actor, record producer, film producer. He 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: is the founding member of the boy band New Kids 15 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: on the Block. Outside music, he has had roles in 16 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: the Saw film, Zookeeper, DreamCatcher, The Sixth Sense, Righteous Kill, Ransom, 17 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: and many more. He has started in the drama series 18 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: Blue Bloods as Danny Reagan since twenty ten and since 19 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen an executive producer of the TNT reality TV 20 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: show Boston's Finest. He also has produced and Start and 21 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: Rock the Boat, Donnie Loves Jenny, Return to the Mac 22 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: on Pop TV, and he's part of owner of the 23 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: restaurant Wallburgers, which we all love and also produced and 24 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,919 Speaker 1: start in the Wallburgers Show on A and E Television. 25 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: Donny Wahlberg, DONNYE Freakin Wallberg, Welcome to Frost the Tips. 26 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 2: That's right. You got the middle name right. 27 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: That's right now. I'm gonna say all of that was 28 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: true for once. I think that was the first intro 29 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: that I hit it on. Anything wrong with that one? 30 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: I didn't catch any anything wrong. Sounded pretty good. I was, 31 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: you know, I was a little surprised. It was kind 32 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: of long. I'm a lot. 33 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: You have done a lot my friends. Okay, before we 34 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: start this, though, you have a group text with the 35 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: new kids. I'm pretty sure, right all you guys on 36 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: one group text text them right now. I want to 37 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: see the first person that's going to respond. 38 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: Was I the first one that responded to Jordan's. 39 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: I think you were? I think you were you were? 40 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: No oh no oh it was. 41 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: It was asked him who would be first, and he 42 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 2: said me, uh, well, let's see, and then it was 43 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: a teaser. I saw it on Instagram, but I didn't 44 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: see who actually it was. I don't think it was 45 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: me that day. 46 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: I don't think you know, but it text him something 47 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: very obscure. It sounds like you're in jail or something. 48 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 2: Before I send this, I want to I want to clarify. 49 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 2: I think I did respond first when Jordan text the podcast, 50 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: but I wrote a long response because I wanted to 51 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: say something in response to what he said, so I 52 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 2: took longer. 53 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: So technically you started starting. 54 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: I think I was first. I'll give you credit for 55 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 2: that counts Okay, I'm gonna write something. 56 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: I don't even know what I would write to the 57 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: guys with him. I don't know. 58 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: Something sounds it sounds weird. I wrote, you guys have 59 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 2: a second to talk this weekend. They may smell a rat. 60 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: That's not typically what I would write. But we'll see 61 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: who response first. 62 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: All right, well, Donnie, you are the founding member of 63 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: New Kids. How did you know that you were musically 64 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: talented at such a young age. 65 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: I don't know that I knew it. I knew that 66 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: I love music at a young age. I knew that 67 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 2: I like to play the drums at a young age, 68 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: which has no really bearing on anything that happens with 69 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 2: the New Kids. But I loved music. 70 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask Jordan. 71 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: You got it right? He sent a little thumbs up. 72 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: Nice. It's like you win, you win absolutely nothing. 73 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: The tone of that text may scare them, though, Oh 74 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: my god, that was unusual. Keep ruminating on it. Yeah. 75 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: In terms of music, you know, I love music from 76 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 2: early on, from you know, from the crib. I loved music, 77 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: and I loved rock and roll. I grew up with 78 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: my old my older brothers listening to rock and roll, 79 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: my mom and my older sister listen to R and 80 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: B disco, and really my older sister, Tracy, introduced me 81 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 2: to rap and hip hop. Like she was up on everything. 82 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: She was like, you got to hear this new song. 83 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 2: I was like, who is it? She was like, it's 84 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 2: Stacey lattasong. This is R and B singer Stacy Latasa 85 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: And she got this song with Johnny Gill who turned 86 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: out to be Johnny Gill in New Edition and Johnny Gill. 87 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 2: But like, she just knew every song, and she brought 88 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 2: music home and like would sit me down and listen. 89 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 2: And I was like, if her and my mom would 90 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 2: play music, I would sit with them and listen. If 91 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 2: my brothers were playing music, I was like I'd have 92 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 2: to tag along and ask questions, but with my mom 93 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 2: and my sister, they would they would invite me to 94 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 2: like like let's sit down or let's dance around the 95 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: kitchen to this disco record, and it was like it 96 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: was so I had these influences in my life, and 97 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: when I started listening to rap records, like I just 98 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: was instantly writing my raps with like hip hop from 99 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 2: early on. And I don't know that I ever thought 100 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: about being in a band like New Kids, like a 101 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 2: boy band or anything, but I will say New Edition 102 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: in the early eighties were literally they grew up probably 103 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 2: four hundred yards from my junior high school, so I 104 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: would be in school and half my classmates knew them personally. 105 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 2: My first love dated Bobby Brown before me. Oh yeah, 106 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: I was in high school. Like yeah. She was like yeah, 107 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: I used to go out with Bobby. I was like, oh, okay. 108 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: And then we did a show when Bobby left New Edition. 109 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: We actually did a show it was New Kids and 110 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: Bobby Brown together and she was with me. It was 111 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 2: like this weird energy, but Bobby's amazing. We got along 112 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: grade and it was all but it was definitely like weird. 113 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: You know, because it was like I think we were 114 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: going on. I think at that show we were supposed 115 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: to go on after Bobby and Bobby Brown's Bobby Brown 116 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 2: he only had like one hit record at the time 117 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 2: and it was from his first album, so the song 118 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: was called girlfriend. But I was literally with my high 119 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: school sweetheart. He used to date him, and now he's 120 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: like his managers like arguing with the radio station and 121 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: our manager more he star and you know, they're all 122 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: arguing about who's gonna go on first, And I was like, please, 123 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 2: can we go on before Bobby Brown? 124 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: You don't want to deal with that. 125 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: He's irrelevant. Bobby Brown were talking about. 126 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: Well, it kind of sounds like the whole Tiffany New 127 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: Kids experience during the Mall tour, because wasn't it her 128 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: tour at first? But then y'all got so big that 129 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: y'all started kind of switching up throughout that. 130 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was like, just to go back 131 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 2: one thing before I go on to Like, my love 132 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: of drumming and hip hop is really probably the reason 133 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: that New Kids ever happened. And what I mean is 134 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,119 Speaker 2: I met Maurice Starr and my brother Mark came along 135 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: and I dragged a few mother friends along who weren't 136 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: very musically inclined or talented, and we did this audition 137 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: and Mark and I were chosen as the first two 138 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: members of this soon to be boy band or He's 139 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: had had a falling out with new auditions, so he 140 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: was like looking to do the next big thing right, 141 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: And we would go to his house every Saturday and Sunday, 142 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 2: which was also a couple hundred yards from my junior 143 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: high school. So new audition, we're here. Maurice's house was here. 144 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: My school was right in the middle, so I knew 145 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: the area really well. I was like fell totally at home. 146 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: It was all good. But I would go to Maurice's 147 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: every Saturday and Sunday and with Mark, and Maurice would 148 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: never show up, Like he would just never show up, 149 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm in this guy's house like 150 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: auditioning for him and strange. It was really weird and 151 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: he wouldn't be there. But there was an eight o 152 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: eight drum machine sitting on the counter in this living 153 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: room and I found a Fender amp like in a closet. 154 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 2: I took it out. I found a cable, I plugged 155 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: it in and I would sit there all day every 156 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: Saturday and Sunday making beats, like reprogramming all my favorite 157 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: songs like Planet Rock, my Soul so on a course, 158 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: I would reprogram. 159 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: The beat again. And how old were you at this point? 160 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 2: I was fourteen? 161 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: How did you know how to do that? 162 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 2: At fourteen? I don't even know how to do I 163 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: taught myself. I taught myself. Yeah, I just sat there 164 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: and taught myself. And I was having so much fun. 165 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: And at that time in my life, Mark and I 166 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 2: my parents divorced, and Mark and I moved with my 167 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: mom to this new neighborhood and I hate it. I 168 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: did not like it. I didn't want to live there. 169 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: I was miserable. 170 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,479 Speaker 1: Mark, What did you not like about the neighborhood? 171 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: It just wasn't my cup of tea. It was like 172 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: this different part of Dorchester where we grew up. I 173 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: didn't fit in, you know. I had like Michael Jackson 174 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: t shirt on, and people would like throw rocks at 175 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: me and like they hated me. Yeah, I just I 176 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 2: didn't get in, like I just get in. I was 177 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: like I'd like the only people that were really nice 178 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 2: to me was the girls who worked at the convenience store. 179 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 2: They would sell Michael Jackson buttons, and apparently they thought 180 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: I was cute, so they would I would go into 181 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: they would hand me Michael Jackson pins, So I had 182 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,599 Speaker 2: a hundred Michael Jackson pins all over my jacket and 183 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 2: I listened to run DMC and I would walk to 184 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: school my boombox with Michael Jackson jacket on, Sir glaring 185 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: run DMC out of my boom box, like, oh my god, anyway, 186 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: not too opening for Tiffany. That was just one of 187 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 2: those moments Lance that I'm sure you experienced in your 188 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 2: own way with your group, which was we had been 189 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: performing wherever like high schools, nightclubs, under like clubs. We 190 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: weren't even old enough to be in the club. Joey 191 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: was like thirteen, like you. 192 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: I remember those days. 193 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: Everyone's drinking and Joey sitting there like you know, his 194 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 2: mom must have been like losing her shit that we 195 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: were doing, like at one in the morning, going on 196 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 2: stage on a school night. And we got this opportunity 197 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 2: to go down and audition for Tiffany in Long Island 198 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: at the Westbury Music Fair. So we went down and 199 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: we auditioned for her and her girlfriend in her dressing 200 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: room and they let us open that night. So we 201 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: were totally unknown. Nobody knew us, nobody cared about us. 202 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: We went on stage and we we did good. You know, 203 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 2: it's one of those times we rocked it. We were like, yeah, 204 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 2: we stole the shows. Cut to We got offered to 205 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: be her opening act that summer on her tour, and 206 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: it was like sheds like amphitheaters and stuff like that. 207 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: And by the end of the tour, like we had 208 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: a few nights where people knew us and our record 209 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: was getting played in that area, and then a few 210 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 2: nights where people like, what who are these guys, what 211 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 2: are we watching? This is kooky. But by the end 212 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: of the tour we started to really break and catch fire. 213 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: And so when it was time for us to go 214 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: back on tour again, when our promoters were like, hey, 215 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 2: you're going to go back out with Tiffany, and you know, 216 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: the thought was you'll open for her again, but now 217 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: you guys are hot, and the fans just got so 218 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 2: crazed and emotional. It was like everyone kind of knew 219 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 2: it was an impossibility that we could go on first 220 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 2: because all these fans became our fans and so many 221 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 2: more fans came, and it just it would have been tough, 222 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: you know, for her to follow. 223 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: Up, yeah, because all the fans would like leave trying 224 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: to find you guys after you open up. 225 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so so it switched. So we be where 226 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 2: that tour started. Everyone the managers all got together and 227 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: had a meeting. 228 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: And we just had Tiffany on recently and she was 229 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: saying that night that you know, she met you guys 230 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: and y'all kind of auditioned for her in a dressing room. 231 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: She was so impressed that y'all were ready to go 232 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: that night, just like any group that could just be like, no, 233 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: we're ready right now. She's like that was I had 234 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: so much respect for those guys because they were prepared. 235 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: They were ready to go. 236 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: I don't even know if we were prepared. We just 237 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: faked it really well, yeah, we faked it. But Maurice 238 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 2: Starr really prepared us in that way, not in terms 239 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: of like being ready in the moment to perform, but 240 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 2: being ready to just go for it at any moment. 241 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: It wasn't like we would just like, all right, be ready, 242 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,719 Speaker 2: you're gonna practice, you know, your dancer team for nine 243 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 2: hundred hours. It was like, no, I'm going to walk 244 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 2: you into a room. And sometimes we would just think 245 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: we were having a meeting with somebody. I remember we 246 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: went down to New York and he said, we're going 247 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 2: to New York and we're going to meet people. We 248 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 2: don't even know who we were meeting. He didn't know 249 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: who he was meeting. We stood in front of a 250 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 2: building and an executive from I think it was a 251 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: man named Hal Jackson was walking in the building and 252 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: he said, well, let my guys perform for you, and 253 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: he was like okay, and so we walked upstairs and 254 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 2: performed in his office. And somebody who ran Amateurnit at 255 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: the Apollo Theater happened to be there and said, hey, 256 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: let me call Ralph Cooper Senior and see if you 257 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 2: guys could come and play at the Apollo tomorrow night. 258 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 2: It was like things like that would happen, like it 259 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 2: was a different time in the music business. There was 260 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 2: no internet. There was you know, there was really nothing. 261 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 2: I mean, it was just you know, you just word 262 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 2: them out really and having the willingness to put yourself 263 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 2: out there in those type of ways, like literally dancing 264 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 2: on a carpet in Tiffany's dressing room, dancing behind a 265 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: desk in Hal Jackson's office, you know, and like try 266 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 2: bump into the sofa. 267 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: And there was there was also people. No one could 268 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: really compare you guys anything at that point, Like when 269 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: we came out we were trying to get a record 270 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: dealer're like, oh, like the BACKSWO boys, Oh like you 271 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: new kids on the block, and you know, there was 272 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: comparisons there. What did you get compared to trying to 273 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 1: get a record deal where there are a lot of 274 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: you know, people say Nope, this won't work because of this. 275 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 2: I think I'm not sure what we were just sort 276 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: of compared to. It was like, you know, this is 277 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: the guy who founded a new addition and this is 278 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: what he's going to work on next, right. It was 279 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: sort of that was like the presentation. There wasn't There 280 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: was really not much to compare it to. I guess 281 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 2: you could say new kids were to the Osmond's, as 282 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: new addition was to the Jackson's, Like you know, fifteen 283 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 2: years after the Jackson Osmond came, we might be the 284 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 2: new Osmond you know something like that. There was really no, no, 285 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 2: really nothing to compare it to it really was. So 286 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 2: that was bad and good. You know, that was bad 287 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: and good because there was no example really of what 288 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 2: the potential was for the band. So that's bad. But 289 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 2: at the same time, it was like, all right, there's 290 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 2: a clean slate where I'm going to say this on 291 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: your behalf lance, you know, you guys in Backstreet, to 292 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: your credit, you know, And again it's all how we 293 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 2: look at things in life, right you guys. I'm sure 294 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 2: there was the blueprint of new Kids right to say, yeah, 295 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 2: we're like new kids ten years old. 296 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's. 297 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: But that was good and bad. That was good and bad. 298 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 2: You know, if you did it four years earlier, it 299 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 2: would have been too soon. And sure there were a 300 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 2: lot of people who were like, no new kids came 301 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: and went we don't want that, we don't want another 302 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: new Kids, and you had to overcome that. Right, there's 303 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 2: always a good and the bad that comes with that stuff. 304 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: But I always was when people would say, like, what 305 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: do you think about them bands kids? I mean in 306 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: singing Backstreet, I'd be like, I give them credit, because 307 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: I'm sure it wasn't easy because radio and so many 308 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: people in the industry like just turned against us, like 309 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: we just got so famous that it became bad, right, 310 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: It became a problem for everyone, which is weird because everybody, 311 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: we're sure happy to make so much money off of us, exactly, yeah, 312 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 2: as you know. But it's like, but I always gave 313 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: you guys credit because I thought it was pretty awesome 314 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: that you know. I know, it wasn't easy, and it 315 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: would be easy for us to be cynical and say, wow, 316 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: MTV when we were on the Total Request on MTV, 317 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: they would retire us, like they they would be mad. 318 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: The host I think Jordan and you might have talked 319 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: about this. The hope would be like, oh god, new 320 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: Kids win again. Problem where you know, a couple of 321 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 2: years later, the energy changed and MTV is suddenly like, oh, 322 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: this is a good thing to have all these screaming 323 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 2: teenagers outside of our plate. It's like they woke up 324 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: to the power of all. 325 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: Of these Yeah, because there was this window, you know, 326 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: because y'all brought pop back hugely in the early nineties. 327 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: Then it went really I mean, the nineties was weird. 328 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: We had, you know, Seattle grunge, we had the explosion 329 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: of hip hop in the nineties, all these different genres, 330 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 1: even you know, Latin music, and then pop just kind 331 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: of disappeared for a few years, like right at the 332 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: end when y'all took a break. That's when I feel 333 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: like y'all, since y'all took a break, I think pop died. 334 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: So congratulations, you killed pop in the nineties. And then 335 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden at the end of the nineties 336 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: when Hanson and Spice Girls and all that, it just 337 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: exploded again. And I don't think MTV was ready for 338 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: that because during that era, especially in mid nineties, MTV 339 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: was like ooh pop, ooh, you know, stay away pop. 340 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: Everyone made fun of it. It wasn't respected at all, 341 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 1: although it always reigns supreme. Really, man, that's what the 342 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: fans want. But I guess the more popular you get, 343 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: the more people kind of start to hate it too. 344 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a thing too where where the there 345 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: is a level like I don't, I don't sorry, no 346 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: more new kids texting, make sure they know you're okay. 347 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: Danny's usually first, but Danny or but Danny was there, 348 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 2: ordn't either responds right away or doesn't respond for like 349 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 2: a week. And then I sent out the All Points 350 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: bulletin for George. 351 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's our JC of the band for sure, that's 352 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: that's j C's yeah. 353 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: But for you know, it's interesting because it is telling 354 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 2: how the gatekeepers, the powers that be, the experts in 355 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 2: these industries so miscalculate, you know, and so underestimate even 356 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: the critical people. It's like they just underestimate the fans. 357 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 2: It's like if you have screaming teenage fans, well, they 358 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 2: don't know what's good, so you don't really whatever you 359 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 2: bring to the table. 360 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: Is all these barriers. It's it's so ridiculous. I remember 361 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: because I managed Ryan Tedder for a few and try 362 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: to get him a record deal with every single label 363 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: out there, and everyone kept saying, lance no solo white 364 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: guy will ever work in this country. I'm like, okay, 365 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: And then you know, about two years later, Justin Bieber 366 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: Justin Timberlake does this thing like everyone's coming out, and 367 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: then Ryan Tedder becomes one of the biggest things ever. 368 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: They don't know what they're talking about. The fans do. 369 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: And we see that through TikTok. TikTok has no politics, right, 370 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: It's like the songs come up there, the fans want it. 371 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,719 Speaker 1: It blows up and that's where we're seeing a lot 372 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: of these new musicians coming. Like that musician Jake. I 373 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: don't know if you know Jake. He sings that song 374 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: Golden Hour or Golden Hour so good, just released six 375 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: months ago, TikTok blew Up. He refuses, oh my gosh, 376 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: million times. Oh, you would know it. You would definitely 377 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: know it. It's so good. It's the Jake and the 378 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: A is upsound, so it's a it's a v V. Yeah. 379 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: But anyway, every label, of course, is knocking on his 380 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: door right now, offering the world. He will not sign 381 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: a deal with a label. He's like, Nope, I'm gonna 382 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,959 Speaker 1: be independent, which I think this day and age, if 383 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: you can do that, right, I mean, if you know 384 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: how to work it, and I think you know, he's 385 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: got the backing of TikTok, so it might work. 386 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 2: Credit to the fans then, and credit credit to the 387 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 2: fans now, credit to the fans then, I think, you know, 388 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 2: it's it's uh, it's something that uh that the fans 389 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,479 Speaker 2: of our band, of your band, you know, of all 390 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 2: those times you know they're still with they're still with us. 391 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: Well especially look, I think blockheads are the best fandom 392 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: out there. I do because I mean I've I've watched it. Yeah, 393 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: I've watched my whole life. I was a blockhead, you know. Uh, 394 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: and your your fans have really stuck together through all 395 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: the ups and downs and even you know to this day. 396 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you're doing crazy sold out tours and when 397 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: you go on that cruise, which I mean all the 398 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: fans go nuts once a year. It's so fun. And 399 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: I love how much you love the fans y'all. Really, 400 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: really the reason how how we treat our fans is 401 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: because of what we saw you guys doing with your fans. 402 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: I just I love how interactive you guys are and 403 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: how much you love them. It really it really shows, 404 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: so I know they love it. 405 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, and they get all the credit. I mean, 406 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 2: they are to me, the best fans out there. Are 407 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 2: the best fandom. And you know that. Thank goodness for 408 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 2: social media in that way, because when we came back 409 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 2: about a year and two our reunion, Twitter started and 410 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 2: it literally changed the game. It created this ability for 411 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 2: us to stay connected in ways that we never would 412 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: have before, and it also allowed the fans to connect 413 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: in ways that they wouldn't before. So suddenly I might 414 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,719 Speaker 2: do a post on Twitter. One fan may respond, and 415 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 2: then another fan reacts to that response and says, oh, 416 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 2: that's kind of like how I think, you know, that's 417 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 2: what I would report. And then they're write great comment 418 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 2: and now they're talking, and then their circles of friends 419 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 2: get together, and now like we announce a show in 420 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 2: you know, in the middle of the desert somewhere on 421 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 2: a Tuesday afternoon, and the fans are all like you going, yeah, 422 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 2: go all right, great babysitter, and like it's like this 423 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: network of fans has sort of built and bonded, and 424 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 2: we've bonded with them. It's this is really cool. It's 425 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 2: just it's it's thank goodness because it it keeps it 426 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 2: all alive every moment of the day. It's like I 427 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 2: don't get up and there's no day that I wake 428 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 2: up that I don't look at my phone and check 429 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: in on Twitter or Instagram and just see how everyone's doing. 430 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 2: At least even if I don't say anything, I'm gonna 431 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 2: go through their thing and I might, you know, go 432 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: through fifty tweets and notice somebody says, oh my god, 433 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 2: I'm having a bad day. My mom's really sick. Or whatever. 434 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 2: And if I catch that, it's like I can acknowledge 435 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: them and thinking of them and stuff. It's like it's 436 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: created this amazing operation. 437 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: It's a family. It's an extinct family. 438 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: It really is. 439 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean when you were a teenager and going 440 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: through this craziness, there was no social media. So tell 441 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: us some good fans stories from back the day that 442 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: because I'm sure the fans were a little crazier back 443 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: then because they knew they couldn't get caught. There's no 444 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: camera phone that was like yo, tweet about what this 445 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: person just did. So I think they were probably a 446 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: little more I don't know outgoing back then. So I'm 447 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: sure you have some really great scary stories the fans. 448 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 2: I mean scary, you know, it just it just depends, 449 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 2: you know, Like you know, there was there were crazy 450 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 2: things that happened all the time, you know. I remember 451 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 2: we were doing a show at Magic Mountain out in 452 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 2: California and there was literally like a section for wheelchairs 453 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 2: right in front of the stage and we're performing and 454 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: a young lady jumped out of her wheelchair and ran 455 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 2: on stage tackled one of us, and it was like 456 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 2: we didn't know if we suddenly heal you you damn 457 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 2: like they snuck in. Apparently they snuck in or they 458 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 2: pretended to the music. Yeah, things like that happened all 459 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 2: the time in the old days, in the late eighties. 460 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 2: It looks like the way like the Beatles footage would 461 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 2: look like we'd be performing and like people would literally 462 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 2: be getting pulled out from the barricade and like fainted. 463 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 2: Somebody would always wake up and grab one of us. 464 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 2: You know, they were fainted until they were within two 465 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 2: feet and then they were recuperated in. 466 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: Did you ever feel scared being in a group like that, 467 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: because I know there was a few times, you know, 468 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: within sync that you would get a bomb threat, like 469 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: at an arena or something like, you know, and it's 470 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: just people just took things a little too far sometimes 471 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: and a lot of it was hidden from us. But 472 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: there's some things that we were privy to, which you know, 473 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: maybe start looking out a little more. But were you 474 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: ever scared? 475 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I tried to have fun as much 476 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 2: as I could, and I tried to enjoy the fans, 477 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 2: and you know, I always tried to encourage the fans 478 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 2: to be who they wanted to be, right, So it's like, 479 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 2: if you're going crazy and you're excited and you're screaming yelling, 480 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 2: go for it, you know. Like I never was shy 481 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: about encouraging the fans to get crazier and get louder 482 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 2: and have more fun. But I remember we were announcing 483 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 2: our dolls, the New Kids dolls, at the hard Rock Cafe. 484 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 2: It was at the hard Rock Cafe in Manhattan, and 485 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 2: we pull up and there's tons of fans outside and 486 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 2: they're screaming and going crazy, and there were barricades on 487 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 2: each side of the door. So we're getting out of 488 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 2: the van and going to go through the barricades to 489 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 2: go in the hard Rock Cafe and do this press 490 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 2: conference and talk about the dolls, and the barricades collapsed 491 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 2: and there were people that fell under the barricades and 492 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 2: the fans piled over, and I remember like I was 493 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: walking on top of a New York City police officer, 494 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 2: like another one was pushing me from behind, and I'm 495 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 2: like the ground didn't feel stable below me, and I'm 496 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 2: looking and there's a cop laying on the ground, you know, 497 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 2: tell me to go, Like I'm like standing on his chest, 498 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 2: like the sea of people. Like those times were really frightening, 499 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 2: you know, they were. There were times when the crowds 500 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 2: would get so big and so crazy that it was scary. 501 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 2: Not for me, yeah for them. Yeah yeah, I was 502 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 2: scared for them. And I remember it being in that 503 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 2: press conference with the dolls. I mean it took me 504 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 2: a while to snap out of it. Like we went 505 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 2: into this little green room or whatever and hung out 506 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 2: and I was literally just like just staring into nowhere. 507 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 2: I remember the feeling of just being like this is 508 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 2: this is really crazy, Like, you know, it's scary to 509 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 2: think that someone could get hurt, you know, and it happened. 510 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 2: People did get hurt at different times. There were times 511 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 2: where it was really really dangerous and really frightening, and uh, 512 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 2: you know, it's fun until those moments. This could really 513 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 2: be problematic. Yeah. So it's a delicate dance. But you know, 514 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 2: looking back, I wouldn't change any of it. It was all, 515 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 2: you know, fun, and I don't want to ever say 516 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 2: it was difficult, you know what I mean. 517 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: Because every country, to me, have different types of fans 518 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: besides America, which are huge in what countries did you 519 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: go to that You're like, holy crap, like, because I 520 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: know you go to let's say Japan, and they're just organized, right, 521 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: they go crazy at the concert, but at the end 522 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: they single file line out the door. They're just nice. 523 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: They pick up all their trash. Spain, they just want 524 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: to rip you apart. If you're wearing earrings, you will 525 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: not have those earrings anymore. You will come out bloody. Germany, 526 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 1: they're the ones that always camped out of the hotels 527 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: like you were. You're going to go to the lobby 528 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: of just hundreds of girls at all times. So every 529 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: country had their own type of fans. Did you notice 530 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: that also traveling the world? 531 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 2: Yes, I think Brazil, Yeah, England, I mean London, we 532 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 2: had fans. We remember we used to see videos of 533 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 2: Michael Jackson staying I think it was the Canterbury Hotel. 534 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 2: So this street it was like a it was like 535 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 2: a U right, So the the hotel was here, but 536 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 2: in front of it there was one way in right 537 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 2: and way out and another building across the street. And 538 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 2: we we used to see videos like Michael Jackson getting 539 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 2: into his limo and like the fans going crazy and 540 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 2: he couldn't get in and out of the car. And 541 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 2: when we stayed in London, we stayed at the same 542 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 2: hotel on the same street, and it was like that. 543 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 2: It was crazy and we had to sneak out at 544 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 2: night out the back door of the hotel to go 545 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 2: eat dinner at the restaurant across the street. And so 546 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:57,479 Speaker 2: England was crazy, Japan, Korea, Germany, I mean, the US 547 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 2: was out of control. Yes, yeah, I think for us, 548 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 2: you know, there was an element. I don't know if 549 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 2: you experienced this, but for us there was an element 550 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 2: of still though always sort of being surprised by it all. 551 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 2: You know. I don't know where that comes from, but 552 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 2: I kind of never stopped being surprised. 553 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's talk about that, because I do feel 554 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: the same way. I think when you're in a group, 555 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: because I mean, you're you're a kid doing this, and 556 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, how you how did 557 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: you say stay so grounded when when a kid is 558 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: experiencing this so much love right and basically you can 559 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: do anything you want, and everyone's kind of telling you yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, 560 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: how did you and your group stay so granted? And 561 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: did y'all stay grounded during this time? Because I mean, 562 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: you're obviously a very down earth guy today, but were 563 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: you a different person when all this was kind of 564 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: thrown at you in your face. 565 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 2: I think we all so yeah. So the way I 566 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 2: would explain this whole process is is, like, you know, 567 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,719 Speaker 2: I try to explain to people, They're like, what was it? 568 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: Like? 569 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 2: I guess it's like being like the quarterback on the 570 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 2: best college football team in the country and playing in 571 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 2: front of one hundred thousand people every game, right, and 572 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 2: you're between the ages of eighteen and twenty two, right, 573 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 2: and so like whatever that must feel like for them 574 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 2: going to class every day, that's what it feels like 575 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 2: for us walking down the street at times A thousand yea, 576 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 2: yeah bout. But I think in terms of staying grounded, 577 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 2: we all had moments, right, because you're we're at that 578 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: age becoming successful, like eighteen, nineteen, twenty twenty one. That's 579 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 2: when we're finding our autonomy, right, That's when we're trying 580 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 2: to decide who we are. And typically in life, you 581 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 2: go off to college, you become independent, you push back 582 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 2: on your parents, and that you start to find your 583 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 2: own thoughts, your own way of looking at the world, right, 584 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 2: and you pick up different things in school, you know, 585 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 2: and you get into these different cliques and you learn 586 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 2: about different things and you start to realize I'm not 587 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 2: like my parents and everyone back home my mind right. 588 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 2: So we all had to do that in the public eye, 589 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 2: and I'm sure we all had moments of getting a 590 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: little crazy and and and stepping out in a way 591 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 2: that was like, you know, could seem like we were 592 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 2: like losing control, like egoicly or whatever. But I think 593 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 2: the truth was no one ever went really crazy. I 594 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: think we all kept each other down to earth, is 595 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 2: really it was, right. So it was like if if 596 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 2: any one of us ever pulled up to rehearsal in 597 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 2: a ferraris the worst thing in the world. No, but 598 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 2: the other guys would have been likely like what are 599 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 2: you doing? Yeah? You know what I mean. Like, we 600 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 2: all come from big families and they would have been 601 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 2: the same way. I remember my brother Bob said to 602 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 2: me we were talking one time. I was like, does 603 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 2: it get tough for you? And he was like, he says, 604 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 2: a lot of times people say things like your brothers 605 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: and buy you a Porsche? And I said, I said, 606 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 2: does it bother? He said not really And I said 607 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 2: good And he said, because the people that say that 608 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 2: would be the same ones if you did buy me 609 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 2: a poor say, say you brother exactly exactly. Well, you know, 610 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 2: we grew up in a tough town. We grew up 611 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 2: with big families, hard working families. I think we were 612 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 2: we all took care of our families a lot. I 613 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 2: think that's where you saw everyone in the band like 614 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 2: really like spending their money or or you know, nobody 615 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 2: was like I'm gonna, you know, have everything in the 616 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 2: world I always wanted. I'm going to buy an island. 617 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 2: It was like, I'm gonna get my mother a house. 618 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 2: She's not gonna have to work nights anymore. And my 619 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 2: dad needs assisted living now, and thank goodness, I can 620 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 2: afford to help him do that. Right, So, everybody really 621 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 2: splurged and spoiled their families, but nobody went crazy. And 622 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 2: I don't think that group would have allowed it. 623 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,719 Speaker 1: No, And that's what it's about. I you know, one 624 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: of the first things that I was able to do 625 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: was to, yeah, let my mom retire as a teacher. 626 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: And that was that just meant the world to me 627 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: to be able to do that. Do you remember what 628 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: you were able to do with your first paycheck? Were 629 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: you able to retire a family member or do something special? 630 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: For him. 631 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 2: The first time, I remember getting like a check check 632 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 2: like we used to get money. We were so funny. 633 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 2: We would like go to Japan to do promotion and 634 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 2: we had no money like we were we were like 635 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,239 Speaker 2: starting to become famous, and it's like we would just 636 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 2: try to save up all our per deal exactly. 637 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: We lived off per dim for years. 638 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 2: We would we would take off we have like you know, 639 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 2: however many end we would go transfer it into American 640 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 2: dollars and we'd come home with like, hey man, I 641 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 2: got nine hundred bucks. All I'm going to do all 642 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 2: the things I couldn't do in high school, I could 643 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 2: really do it now. But I think the first time 644 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 2: that we were living in that neighborhood I mentioned earlier 645 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 2: that I didn't really fit in that neighborhood, and now 646 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 2: I was becoming successful and we got a check. I 647 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 2: don't remember how much it was for, but we were 648 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 2: able to start looking for a house for the first time. 649 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 2: So it was Mark, my brother, Mark, my mom, and 650 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 2: my mother's husband all lived together and the assumption was 651 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 2: we'd all go and live in a house together, and 652 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 2: my mom was pretty much looking for the houses. And 653 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 2: I think it was I think I had like one 654 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars and we started looking for houses and 655 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 2: we found this house that was kind of like it 656 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 2: used to be one hundred thousand dollars house, but this 657 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 2: guy who owned it fixed it up and put a 658 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 2: pool and there was like a little room with a 659 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 2: little movie screen come out of the ceiling. And this 660 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 2: is like nineteen eighty nine, eighty nine. It was pretty fancy, 661 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 2: and I remember my mom loved it, like she walked 662 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 2: in and she just she gasped walked in the front door, 663 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 2: and it wasn't like nothing crazy, it was just nice. 664 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 2: It was beyond anything we could ever have dreamed of having. 665 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 2: Right in back. My manager when he saw it, when 666 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 2: I showed it to him the first time, our manager, 667 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 2: the late Great Dick Scott, he said, this is good 668 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 2: for a starter house. Got off. I was like, are 669 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 2: you crazy? This is it forever more fancy than anything 670 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 2: I could have been of. But my mom was so 671 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 2: blown away by this place. And I remember there was 672 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 2: a a primary bedroom moving up and there was a 673 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 2: little balcony on it, and my brother Mark and I 674 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 2: went out there and gosh, Mark must have been sixteen 675 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 2: or I don't know what it was, and I said, 676 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 2: what do you think? And he was like, this is cool. 677 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,359 Speaker 2: And I said, you know, I don't know what's going 678 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 2: to happen, like with this music thing, like there's I 679 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 2: could wake up tomorrow and never make another penny, like 680 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 2: this could be it, Like you know, we had like 681 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 2: one or two hit records, and who knows what was 682 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 2: going to happen. And I said, the house was like 683 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 2: a couple hundred thousand, and we really couldn't afford it 684 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 2: at that moment. You know, six months later, I could 685 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 2: have bought it two times, right, but at this moment, 686 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 2: it was like a three hundred and ninety thousand dollars 687 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 2: house and I had one hundred thousand dollars. That's all 688 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 2: I had in the world. And I said to my brother, 689 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 2: I said, if if all this ends tomorrow, you know, 690 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 2: you have to get a job and you have to 691 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 2: work your ass off and I have to get a job, 692 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,399 Speaker 2: and we have to be able to maintain this house 693 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 2: for Mom because she loves it. I'll do it. I'll 694 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 2: take the risk, and I'll take the loan and do 695 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 2: all that. But we have to by tooth and nail 696 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 2: to keep this place, you know, for her and if 697 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 2: you agree to that, then I'll do it. 698 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,280 Speaker 1: That's a good motivation. 699 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 2: It Yeah, he said, let's do it, and we got it, 700 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 2: and you know, it was yeah, it was. It was 701 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 2: a really profound moment. And we went back on tour, 702 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 2: like I don't know a week later after like agreeing 703 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 2: to buy the house, and my mom moved in while 704 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,399 Speaker 2: I was away, and I came home right before Christmas. 705 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 2: I think it was eighty eight going into eighty nine 706 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,240 Speaker 2: or vice versa. I'm not sure, but I remember coming 707 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 2: home to that place and look on my mom's face 708 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 2: was everything. And by this time we had already, you know, 709 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 2: become so much more successful in the two months that 710 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 2: i'd been gone. It moved in that it just it 711 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 2: really uh yeah, it meant a lot. It meant a 712 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 2: lot a little. 713 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: Because I know, but that's the special. 714 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 2: The anniversary of her passing is tomorrow. Siblings are all 715 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 2: texting and stuff, and I hadn't really been even talking 716 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 2: about this, so it's just it's just a little it's good. 717 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,240 Speaker 2: It's good. It's it's a good emotional wave that's rushing 718 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 2: over me. 719 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: A very well. She raised a great boy, that is 720 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: for sure. That is for sure. Speaking of family, what 721 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,359 Speaker 1: is it like working with family? I mean a lot 722 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 1: of people say do not go into business with family, 723 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: but you have in many era of your career. Was 724 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: it easy for you, guys or were there some hard 725 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: moments like why did I do this? 726 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 2: For sure? Well, I worked with Mark also in music, 727 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 2: you know, so I was his producer and I is 728 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 2: Moy Star or Johnny Wright or Johnny Right. 729 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: Have a better deal than our deal. 730 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:46,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think we still have a contract Mark, 731 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 2: and I still actually he owes me an album until 732 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 2: the time as that album is done, I could be 733 00:38:52,640 --> 00:39:00,439 Speaker 2: collecting money on other his career. I don't bother Mark 734 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 2: Mark twenty five comings. 735 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: I love it. 736 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 2: But you know, we we did really great with that. Like, 737 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 2: we had a great time doing that. It was important 738 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 2: for me to to prove myself outside of New Kids, right, 739 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 2: So I had this. I wanted to make these records. 740 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 2: I wanted to do something. I also wanted to help 741 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 2: my brother have a life. You know, he was going 742 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 2: nowhere fact and so writing and producing music and then 743 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 2: plugging him into it really was good for me, right 744 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 2: to get that, to have that creative outlet. But so 745 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 2: we had already experienced working together with the restaurants. It's 746 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,320 Speaker 2: it's been fun. You know. In a lot of ways, 747 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 2: people wonder, like if Mark and I have a relationship, 748 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 2: if we get along, you know, they were like rumors 749 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 2: like because. 750 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 1: He didn't come to be in Jenny's wedding, so he 751 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: does hate you, oh man, breaking news, breaking news. 752 00:39:53,400 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 2: I wish, I wish I could service that. But in 753 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 2: many ways we we did grow apart, right, and nothing 754 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 2: to do with anything other than I mean, people say like, 755 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 2: I'm the busiest guy in the world, and I go, okay, Well, 756 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 2: I know a few other busy guys who are more 757 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 2: busy than me, and Mark happens to be one of them. 758 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 2: And he has a family of his own, right. He 759 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 2: has four kids and a wife, and he's got a 760 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 2: lot of responsibilities. So we just naturally grew apart. I 761 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 2: lived and worked in New York. He lived in Beverly 762 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 2: Hills and worked all over the place. And so the 763 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,720 Speaker 2: restaurant business actually has been good for us, like getting 764 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 2: back together and reconnected us. And yeah, and we have 765 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 2: to talk a lot and we you know it. I 766 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 2: don't think there was any strain per se, you know, 767 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 2: on the relationship but I think in hindsight, if it 768 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,240 Speaker 2: wasn't for the restaurant, and it wasn't for that business 769 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 2: that we do together, it could have been problematic. You know, 770 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 2: it could have been we might have seen each other 771 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 2: like two or three times in the last decades since 772 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 2: we started the restaurant, just because that's how busy we 773 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 2: both are and how different our lives are, right and 774 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 2: and we you know, it's like a lot of families 775 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 2: right have been like funeral and see at the funeral, 776 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 2: we'll see each other. It's a wedding or funeral, it's 777 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 2: one of those, and then we all dripped apart. 778 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,720 Speaker 1: And yeah, and we're just experiencing that stuff now because 779 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,439 Speaker 1: and it's the kids. When you start having kids, your 780 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: life completely changes. You don't see so many people, especially 781 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,840 Speaker 1: that first couple of years, Like there's so many of 782 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 1: our friends. I'm like, oh my god, I can't believe 783 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: I've not seen you in person in two years. But yeah, 784 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,760 Speaker 1: I mean it's just life takes you by the balls. 785 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: And you know, when you get. 786 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 2: Your own families and you start, yeah, you're kind of 787 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:54,319 Speaker 2: in your own world. 788 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: I mean it's normal exactly. 789 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you don't if the friends that you're 790 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 2: currently like in a circle with don't have kids. Suddenly 791 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 2: kind of can't relate quite as much. A go on 792 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 2: that trip with you to that yacht over at that island. 793 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,360 Speaker 2: I kind of take these kids to the zoo today. 794 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, those Oh yeah yeah. 795 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 1: All right, guys, let's pause right here, because, like I 796 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 1: said before, it's going to be a two for and 797 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 1: why not have a twofer with Donnie Wahlberg, I know, right, 798 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 1: So uh all right, let's take a little break and 799 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 1: we'll get back to Donnie with his second half of 800 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: the interview very soon. 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