1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 2: This is Almost Famous podcast. We are here today with 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 2: a very special guest. We're so excited for her to 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: be joining us. Alicia from this season of The Bachelor. 6 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 2: Probably one of the most talked about eliminations of the 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: season still today even though it happens so early on, 8 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: and that's really what we want to talk about throughout 9 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: this episode. Alicia, I do want to start with saying this, 10 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: before the season started, we kind of always go through 11 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: our top four of who we think will make it 12 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 2: based on knowing nothing about any of you and really 13 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,319 Speaker 2: having no clue of anything that's going to happen through 14 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 2: this season, and you were up there, so for you 15 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: to be eliminated was shocking to us here. But we'll 16 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 2: kick it off with kind of your backstory, if that's 17 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: okay with you. You have a fairly similar backstory to 18 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: a lot of the very well known contestants that have 19 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: come through the Bachelor franchise. You are a former pageant 20 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 2: and you're also just very accomplished outside of that, So 21 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: can you give us a little backstory of your pageant 22 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: years and have you known or competed against anybody that's 23 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: been on the show before. 24 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: Well, thank you firstly for that. And yeah, so interestingly, 25 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 3: the pageant world is so small, and yes, I do 26 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 3: come from the pageant world. I competed at Miss USA 27 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: and held the title is Miss California. But I couldn't 28 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 3: be further from what you would imagine when you think 29 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 3: of a typical pageant girl. I never really competed. I 30 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 3: had come from a family that was born and raised 31 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 3: in England, so even pageantry, the whole concept was so 32 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,199 Speaker 3: new to all of us, and it really just got started. 33 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 3: I was a little kid, and I was always a 34 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: girly girl, and I love crowns and sparkles and everything 35 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 3: that princesses wore, and that was my dream job. And 36 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 3: I was watching our local town. We had nothing in 37 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 3: our local town, but we had this big Christmas parade 38 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 3: every year, and so I was watching it and the 39 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 3: local queens on had gone by on a parade and 40 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 3: they were waving, and I just saw the crowns and 41 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,839 Speaker 3: pretty dresses, and I remember asking my mom, like, how 42 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 3: do I want to be on that float? I want 43 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 3: to wave, I want the crown, I want to be 44 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 3: a princess and I was like five, and my mom 45 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 3: is the complete opposite of a girly girl, so she 46 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 3: had no idea and she had no idea how to 47 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 3: help me. But I did some research and figured it 48 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 3: out and it was a local pageant, So that's kind 49 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: of how I got started. And then I didn't really 50 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 3: compete because I wasn't a US citizen, so up until 51 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 3: I was about twenty two, I hadn't yet naturalized, and 52 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 3: I never felt any repercussions besides not being able to 53 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: vote up until trying to attempt to qualify from this USA, 54 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 3: and of course you have to be a US citizen first. 55 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 3: So my dream of competing in pageants really was put 56 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 3: on a back burner, and I went to college. My 57 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 3: life continued. Was not in my plans whatsoever, wasn't on 58 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 3: my big go card. But just so happened that the 59 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: same director who owns Florida happened to own California at 60 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: the time, which was the chris family, Todd Chrisly and 61 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 3: Savannah Chrisly. So they reached out to me and they said, hey, 62 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 3: would you want to come out and do California. We 63 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 3: knew you were from Florida originally, and you wanted to, 64 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: and I said, no, that ship sailed like I have 65 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 3: a job. That was like a pipeline dream. No, I'm 66 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 3: not interested. And they said, well, what if we just 67 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 3: let you come to the state level, because typically to 68 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 3: win a preliminary pageant on a county or yeah, certain exactly. 69 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: So they said, well, what if we just say you're 70 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: Miss Hollywood and you can come out and compete. So 71 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 3: I said, okay, sure. At that point, I hated my job. 72 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: I was working in marketing. 73 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 4: Were you a US citizen at this point? 74 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: At this point I had I had naturalized as a US. 75 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 4: Cident, okay, because I was confused. 76 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 3: So I was like, when when separate from the pageant world, 77 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 3: I had done that for my own. 78 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 4: So you didn't do it for it? Okay? 79 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 3: No, But of course my mom posted something on Facebook 80 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: with you know, my naturalization papers, and that's when the 81 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 3: Chris Lies had seen it and reached out and said, 82 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 3: come on out to California and just do it. And 83 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 3: I had bought this pageant dress probably oh, I bought 84 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,559 Speaker 3: it from when I was eighteen, and so now going forward, 85 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 3: what it was twenty something and I had this dress 86 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 3: that I was never going to wear anywhere else, and 87 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: I thought, sure, I hate my job. I'm just going 88 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 3: to use this as a distraction and go for it. 89 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: And it's just a bucket list item. And I remember 90 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 3: inviting my mom and my sister to the pageant and 91 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: they're so honest and like, we have a very close relationship, 92 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 3: and they didn't mean it in a horrible way, but 93 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 3: they said, you know, I hope we don't mind, but 94 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 3: we're not going to come from Florida to California to 95 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 3: watch this because you're not going to win. Like there's 96 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 3: just no You're not a pageant girl. You're not prepared, 97 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 3: you don't go to the gym, you don't have a coach, 98 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: you don't know how to walk, you don't know how 99 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: to answer a question on stage, and pageants California are 100 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 3: known for being really competitive, and so it was a 101 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 3: really big one. And I said, you know what, guys, 102 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: I'm not upset, like, don't waste the money, don't My 103 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 3: sister's in med school, so she has a crazy schedule, 104 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 3: and I was fine with them not coming. And then 105 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 3: long story short, I ended up winning. I don't know how. 106 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 3: I think it's really a matter of They liked the 107 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 3: fact that I wasn't the typical pageant girl, and that 108 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 3: I messed up a million times on my interview, and 109 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 3: I was, you know, walked when I wasn't meant to walk, 110 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 3: and did circles when I wasn't meant to do circles. 111 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 3: So I think they probably liked that it was I 112 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 3: was just novice in the pageant world. But yeah, I 113 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 3: do have I do have some connections with the past 114 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 3: Batchelor contestants. As far as competing in pageants, No, I've 115 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 3: never competed against any of them, and I've never met 116 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 3: any of them through pageants either or personally either. 117 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 4: Well, so how did you become Miss California if you 118 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 4: were going to Florida? 119 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was. I grew up in Florida, and 120 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 3: that's when my pageant journey I supposed started, let's say. 121 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 3: But then after college, I got my first job out 122 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 3: in LA and I moved and I was for a 123 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 3: couple of years, and that's when they had contacted me, 124 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 3: and I already naturalized as a US citizen. 125 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, all right, I got it, got it. 126 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, And you have to compete or you're living. So 127 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 3: at that point I was in California. 128 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 4: Okay, all right, there you go. Okay, So then how 129 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 4: did we get from that to signing up for The Bachelor? 130 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 3: Well, how did we get from that to signing up 131 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: for the Bachelor? So much went on in the between 132 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 3: those two things. I was in a really serious relationship 133 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 3: for three years and I really thought I was I 134 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 3: saw the future with this person. There was no doubt 135 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 3: in my mind. This was going to be my husband, 136 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 3: my the father of my children. And it was reciprocated. 137 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 3: We he had purchased an engagement We were engagement ring shopping, 138 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 3: you know. We asked my mom for permission to marry me, 139 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 3: and the book, the whole planned it all out, asked 140 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: my mom, my sister, and then on a Tuesday, woke 141 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 3: up and said, you know, I think there might be 142 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 3: other people more compatible for me. So I packed my 143 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 3: bags that same day moved out, and The Bachelor just 144 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 3: happened to DM me like the next week and asked 145 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: if I was single. And they'd reached out previously and 146 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 3: I wasn't single or interested in doing the show, But 147 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 3: at that point they just got me on the right day, 148 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 3: at the right time and the right phase of heartbreak 149 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 3: to think it might be worth a shot going on 150 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 3: the show, and. 151 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: Then you went through with it. Now, before we get 152 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: into the curiously early elimination, I do want to ask you, 153 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: what did we not see on the show in those 154 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: first two weeks that are so true to you that 155 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 2: you'd want Grant to know in the world to know 156 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: that you never got the opportunity to share. 157 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot that's shared that is an aired, 158 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 3: of course. I mean, there's just so many women in 159 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 3: conversations frankly that happened, you know, it would be impossible 160 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: to show it all. But I do feel like my 161 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 3: short time that I was there, I was one hundred 162 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 3: percent myself and very authentic with the women in the 163 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 3: house and with my one on one time with Grants. 164 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 3: So I don't feel like I walked away with any 165 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 3: sort of regrets or feelings of that I missed the 166 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: shot to show someone who I am or I wish 167 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 3: I did this or said this, because I was all that, 168 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 3: and I did show up as Alicia and remained her 169 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 3: throughout the entire time. So I feel pretty good in 170 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,599 Speaker 3: retrospect looking back at my experience. 171 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 4: I think that when we watched episode one, we thought 172 00:08:55,600 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 4: that you could have even been the first impression and 173 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 4: rose recipient. You were definitely in contention for that at 174 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 4: least from what we saw, felt. 175 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: Like that, and had the first kiss from what we 176 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: saw first kiss. 177 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 4: From what we saw, Yes, I know that could have 178 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 4: probably been, you know, fudged. Now we've just been dying 179 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 4: to know, like what changed in a matter of the week. 180 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 3: You know, I don't know what changed. I think for me, 181 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 3: I can only speak from my perspective, right, so I 182 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 3: don't know what went on and Grant said or why 183 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 3: he made the decisions he made. But I was feeling 184 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 3: good about our connection. We had continued conversations that of 185 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 3: course weren't aired, just because you know, you don't have 186 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 3: the time to show everything, that were really progressive in 187 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 3: my opinion. And it's funny because the Internet reacted to 188 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 3: our night one conversation like, oh my gosh, they have 189 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 3: so much chemistry the connection, and in my eyes, of 190 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 3: all the conversations I had with Grant, that was my 191 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 3: least favorite, just because it's the first one and you're nervous, 192 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 3: it's night one, it's super late, you're tired, your heels. 193 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 3: Arning all the conversations after that feel even more comfortable, 194 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: if anything. So you know, I wish that they were 195 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 3: eric because I think it would give more color to 196 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 3: who I am and give more color to the relationship 197 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 3: that Grant and I had developed in that time. But 198 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 3: to be honest, I'm not sure what changed for him 199 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 3: in his head. I really really thought I wasn't expecting. 200 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 3: I wasn't expecting to go home as early as I did. 201 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: You obviously get in a limo after that elimination, and 202 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: you do have time to kind of process, but I'm 203 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 2: sure it was confusing then now that you look back 204 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: on it, if you could make some very un educated 205 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: assumptions about what had happened, because it is surprising. I mean, 206 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 2: in the bachelor world, to go home week two usually 207 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: means there's no connection. I mean, at least when I 208 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 2: went through it, it usually meant like, hey, we haven't 209 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 2: even had a conversation yet, so I don't even know, 210 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: like remember your name, and so like you're gonna go 211 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: home because we obviously like aren't finding ways to even talk. Right, 212 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: you are saying that you did get to talk to him, 213 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: that you did have some sort of connection with him, 214 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: and so as you've processed it, you could make some 215 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: assumptions like what happened. 216 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 3: So you know what they say about assumptions, It only 217 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: makes an ass. 218 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 2: Out of you and me, and I can do them 219 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: all the time here, but here I go. 220 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 4: That's what we that's that's our bread and butter. Yeah, 221 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 4: that's all we do. 222 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 3: So my assumption would be I wasn't physically his type, 223 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 3: having lighter hair and skin and eyes. Maybe I just 224 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 3: wasn't physically his type. That was one of the first 225 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 3: things that crossed my mind, because to your point, Ben, 226 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 3: when you are eliminated that early, even though we did 227 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 3: have amplepportunities to continue our conversation and grow our connection, 228 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 3: you really aren't. You don't have enough time with the women, 229 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 3: in my opinion, to make a decision based on their personalities, 230 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: unless you haven't had time to speak with them, which 231 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 3: we did have. So I would have to imagine it 232 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 3: was purely down to a physical element that maybe I 233 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 3: didn't I physically didn't check the boxes of what his 234 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 3: future wife he imagined her to look like. 235 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 4: He kissed you and I right away, though I know 236 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 4: I'm not sure you. 237 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 3: Know that's it is very strange, and we had more 238 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 3: kisses after that and we had time that was one 239 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 3: on one. I was actually pretty sick the morning of 240 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 3: the basketball date. The bus ride over, I just wasn't 241 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 3: feeling too great. I had a little bit of a 242 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 3: stomach ache, and he really made it a point to 243 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 3: pu me to the side and check on me, and 244 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 3: even i'd been vomiting TMI, I know, and even really 245 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 3: ask if he could kiss me, and I was like, 246 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 3: you don't want to do that. I've been vomiting, and 247 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 3: he was super adamant on taking care of me and 248 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 3: being there. So it was definitely a surprise at that 249 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 3: Rosemary ceremony, and I will say, hmmm, well, I don't 250 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 3: know if I'm allowed to say this, but they'll stop 251 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 3: me if I can. I felt like he was giving 252 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 3: me a lot of validation that I was staying. So 253 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 3: it was surprising when my name wasn't called, because I 254 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 3: felt like he was intentionally sending me messages that were 255 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, the wink wink, don't worry 256 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 3: you're here, saying he has a connection with me that 257 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 3: you know. I shared something really personal with my family 258 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 3: and some photos with him on that final night, and 259 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 3: he asked to keep them and said, you know, I'm 260 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 3: going to hold onto these. I'll give them back to 261 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 3: you next time I see you. So of course I'm 262 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 3: reading that like a woman's going to analyze that in 263 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 3: her head, and we're thinking, like, okay, again, one hundred 264 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 3: percent we have the connection. And yeah, that was like 265 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 3: the last thing he said to me and before the 266 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 3: row ceremony and then sent me home. So it was 267 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 3: very confusing. But at the same time, I do feel 268 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 3: like closure is just somebody not picking you. You know, 269 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 3: if it wasn't meant to be, it wasn't meant to be, 270 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 3: And you know, I feel good about that, and I 271 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 3: think I had a connection with Grant. I would have 272 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 3: liked to explore it more. But if he had already 273 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 3: made that decision in his head that he wasn't attracted 274 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 3: to me, I'm glad he sent me home earlier than later. 275 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 4: We had you on thinking we were going to get answers. 276 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 4: You were going to tell us about some conversation that 277 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 4: went awry, and now you've further puzzled us as to 278 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 4: why you left week two. 279 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish I could, like I wish I could 280 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 3: tell you what further conversations like happened that would have 281 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 3: changed things. But truly, looking back on it, there wasn't 282 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 3: anything that would have derailed our progress. If anything, it 283 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 3: would have. I think had you were seeing more of 284 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 3: our conversations, they would have been even more continued. 285 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 4: Probably why they didn't show and that is that anything, 286 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 4: because they didn't want us to feel even weirder about it. Okay, 287 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 4: So we see online that you and devn Jen's Devon 288 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 4: devon Strator are following each other. Now listen, there's this 289 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 4: girl that I know, and he slid into her DMS 290 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 4: when like he was with Jen or like right after 291 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 4: they broke up, something somewhere in the very close proximity 292 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 4: of their relationship. So and guess what little breaking news here? 293 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 4: He just did it again. He said to her, I'm 294 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 4: dying to bring take you out on a date, Like 295 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 4: when can we do this? Literally they haven't spoken in 296 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 4: like six months, Okay. And then and less than a 297 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 4: week later, he posts a picture of him with some 298 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 4: new girl, like out there on Instagram with some other girls. 299 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 4: So we know we're assuming strongly that Devin slid into 300 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 4: your DMS. What of you guys talking? What are you 301 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 4: talking about? Yeah? 302 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 3: So thanks for bringing this up, because that is a rumor. 303 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 3: I was certainly not excited to hear circulating. 304 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 5: I have no idea how this Bachelor Nation world works, 305 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 5: but in my reality of La La Land, it's like, 306 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 5: we're all BFFs after this, We're going to hang out 307 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 5: after the show. 308 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 3: I'm going to come over and play with Ben's kid, 309 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 3: like me and Ashley are going to get drunk together. 310 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 3: That's how. That's how I imagine, like the tail end of. 311 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 4: This is, it's not really far off right. 312 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 3: And so, you know, anybody Bachelor Nation who followed me, 313 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: I made it a point to follow them back. Devin 314 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: was one of the many that were included, and I 315 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 3: think people forgot to mention the many others who I 316 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 3: mutually follow. Yes, he did slide into my DMS as 317 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 3: a few other people. 318 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 4: Stay busy, He's busy. 319 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 3: What's so funny is so he slid into my DMS. 320 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 3: I didn't respond to him. He slides into my DMS again. 321 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 3: After these rumors starts circling that Devin and I start 322 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 3: following it or whatever. He sends me another message and 323 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 3: it was I couldn't believe it. I'm gonna spark notes 324 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 3: it for you because I can't be bothered to go 325 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 3: dig it up right now, but essentially said like sorry 326 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 3: that I caused you all this attention from these rumors, 327 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 3: like as if he were interested in me or the 328 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 3: bouchler right now, Like oh see. 329 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 4: Look this is what he just posted. Oh's Valentine's Day. 330 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 4: He posted this girl, Yeah, these days my V day? 331 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 4: Soothing like beach waves, Yeah, play in for Playing for Keeps, babe, 332 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 4: Playing for Keeps three four days before this slid into 333 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 4: this girl's DM saying what am I taking you on 334 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 4: a date? 335 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 2: I have a feeling that he's not going to be 336 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 2: dating this girl very much longer after this show. 337 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 3: I hope this girl can see oh I'm on blurred 338 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 3: But for her own personal record, the date of these 339 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 3: messages was February sixth from mister Devin Straighter, so I'm 340 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 3: pretty positive he was with her at that point as well. 341 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 2: Eight days is a long enough time to play for Keeps. 342 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 2: Eight days in early not know, That's what I don't. 343 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 3: She must have heard something before, because if he's doing 344 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 3: it to everyone rumors like she would have heard that 345 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 3: he does this by now, she must not care. 346 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: It's uh, Alicia, This is a very interesting conversation to 347 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 2: be having because you're not wrong. The Bachelor Nation is 348 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 2: a very supportive group of people. There's always events happening, 349 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: and back in the day there was a lot more 350 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 2: events happening. And I hope that you know, the almost 351 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 2: famous group can bring you into some of these fun things. 352 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 2: We're gonna love to have you there and we all 353 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: will become best friends. And hopefully my wife does bring 354 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 2: a little daughter and her and I can have a 355 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: date night and you guys can babysit. But there is 356 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 2: this interesting thing that happens after the show. You were eliminated, 357 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 2: in our opinion, too early, and if we get to 358 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 2: talk to Grant again here soon, we're gonna tell him 359 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: that and see what he says about it, hopefully clear 360 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 2: any confusion. But now you have the opportunity to go 361 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 2: on Paradise. And the reason these rumors were started, and 362 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 2: the reason I even saw them, was because people were 363 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 2: kind of making couples up for Paradise, and Devin's name 364 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 2: was getting their round along with yours because you both 365 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 2: follow each other. We've gotten to the bottom of that 366 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: whole scenario. He slid into your there isn't and am 367 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: I fear saying there isn't like a relationship built right 368 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 2: now between the two of you. So if you show 369 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: up to the beach in Paradise, the first question is 370 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 2: would you say yes to doing it? Secondly, if Devin 371 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 2: shows up to the beach in Paradise, would you be 372 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 2: interested in pursuing a relationship with him? And if not him, 373 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 2: then who? 374 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 3: No, I would not be interested. That's the easiest answer 375 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 3: is certainly no to Devin for a multitude of reasons. 376 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 3: But if what we've just covered isn't enough, then I'm 377 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 3: not sure what is. I really want to have a 378 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 3: partner for life and a husband, and I want to 379 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 3: start my family, and I'm looking for someone who's serious 380 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 3: about that. And I think it's pretty obvious that, based 381 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 3: on the way he moves, that's not what he's looking for. 382 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 3: So you know, that's a non starter for me. If 383 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 3: you're not serious, then I'm not even going to give 384 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 3: you the day of time, So time of day excuse me. 385 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 3: So that would be the answer to that. Would I 386 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 3: go on Paradise It depends depends. I think I would 387 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 3: have It would be something I would certainly consider, and 388 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 3: I think there would be a lot of different variables 389 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 3: that I would have to think about before I made 390 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 3: a decision when if I went or if I didn't go, 391 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 3: Like what. 392 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 2: Wait time out? What variables work? 393 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 3: My work schedule, my family and life schedule. Like I said, 394 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 3: my little sister is graduating from med school and as 395 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 3: residency starting and match day and those are just big 396 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 3: life events I wouldn't miss for anything. And then, of 397 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 3: course who else is going to be on Bachelor in Paradise? 398 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 3: I think if there was men going who I could 399 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 3: see a future with, then it would be more enticing. 400 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 3: If it was men like Devin going, then no, I 401 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 3: don't as interested because a while it would be fun, 402 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 3: I don't see how anything serious could come of it. 403 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 4: Well, it sounds like you're a Bachelor fan because of 404 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 4: what you said. So in Bachelor's past, which single guys 405 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 4: would you like to see a show up on that beach? 406 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 2: I gotta start looking. I'm gonna google this so I 407 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 2: can fill in any gaps she's not willing to answer. 408 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 3: Ben was honestly, Ben, you used to be on like 409 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 3: my Hot Bachelor Guide list before you were married, like 410 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 3: you were my hype. Dark hair, dark eyes is typically 411 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 3: what I go for. 412 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 2: Oh okay, So if that's what you're saying here, there's 413 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 2: a guy named Spencer. I think we were he was 414 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: just a few seasons ago, right, and he's like living 415 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 2: next to Kelly Flann again. That's how he's in my head. 416 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: Good looking fella, dark hair, tall, ripped. 417 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 3: It's hard because so much changes too in the relationship 418 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 3: and then the inter dating in Bachelor Nation, it's kind 419 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 3: of hard to know who's single and who's available, and 420 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 3: then of that group, you know, you don't know anything 421 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 3: about people's personalities, and as cliche as that sounds, if 422 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 3: you looked at any of my ex boyfriends, you would 423 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 3: be able to attest to the fact that I go 424 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 3: off personality. Even though I do have a type, I'm 425 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 3: always finding myself dating guys that go against that type, 426 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 3: just based on us being able to get along and 427 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 3: have a good time and laugh, which is weird because 428 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 3: you know, circling back to this past season, Grant was 429 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 3: definitely my physical type, dark hair, dark eyes, tall, and 430 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 3: we had a lot in common as far as being 431 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 3: raised by a single mom and being super close to 432 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 3: our sister, loving dogs. We both grew up on a 433 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 3: farm and my sister was born in the same town 434 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 3: he was born in New Jersey. It's a lot of 435 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 3: weird small coincidences. 436 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 4: Well what about New Jersey? Oh my gosh, who's what's 437 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 4: his name? The one from Katie season that I everybody 438 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 4: thought was gonna win, Greg Greg He's now not with 439 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 4: Victoria anymore. I could see him being a hot shot 440 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 4: in Paradise. 441 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 3: Yeah. Wait, Greg Greg is like as far as personality wise, 442 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 3: that's somebody who I was like, oh yes, gets along 443 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 3: with because I've seen his tiktoks and they're just so funny, 444 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 3: Like that's my type of humor. I mean, these aren't 445 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 3: Bachelor people. But have you been watching Traders? Because Boston 446 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 3: robb he needs to come to Paradise. He's I love 447 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 3: Boston Robb. 448 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 2: Well's loved him. Wait, so like but Boston robb is 449 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 2: fifty years old. 450 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 3: No, Boston Rob's married with a beautiful family as well. 451 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: But people like him. 452 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 4: Okay, so we're kind of is really catchy. 453 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 3: I like, I don't know, I like that that type 454 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 3: of confidence. 455 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 2: Here's what we're going to tell you. So we're gonna 456 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 2: speak some old school, almost famous bachelor wisdom over you. 457 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 2: You should go to Paradise. You're going to be sought after. 458 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 2: It's going to be really fun for you, ask Ashley. 459 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 2: Ashley's married with two kids from Paradise. 460 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 4: To it it is. 461 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 2: It is something that I know when you sign up 462 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 2: for The Bachelor, it does feel overwhelming, very odd, and 463 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 2: then you get sent home week two and you have 464 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 2: a lot of questions about it. What happens in Paradise 465 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 2: is it's a whole new world. It's not that long, 466 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 2: it's a very intentional time. It's a lot of fun, 467 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 2: and you're going to do great there. So if the 468 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 2: opportunity comes your way and we don't only lead you 469 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 2: straight here, we have no skin in this game. I 470 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 2: think Ashley and myself would both say go do it. 471 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:46,959 Speaker 1: Well. 472 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 3: I appreciate that input, and yeah, Ashley, you do have 473 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 3: a success story that is envious of. So I think 474 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 3: it's like I said, if there was somebody going or 475 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 3: a few different people who I think there was a 476 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 3: real connection with, I would be excited to take that 477 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 3: opportunity because you do see real relationships that come out 478 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 3: of it. And I haven't watched Bachelor in Paradise, so 479 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 3: I know I need to go and watch a full 480 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 3: season of it to know how different it is. From 481 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 3: The Bachelor, because I have heard that it's a totally 482 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 3: different dynamic and a totally different environment completely. 483 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, and this season they might have air conditioning, so 484 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 4: this would be the season to get. 485 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 2: Ashley. I do have two final questions just to kind 486 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 2: of summarize here. Ashle and I just broke down that 487 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 2: The bacheloret is not returning for the next season. However, 488 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 2: when we did our investigation, your name did get brought 489 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 2: up in the mix of who they were thinking about 490 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 2: asking to lead the franchise. If they would have came 491 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 2: to you with The Bachelorette or maybe even in the 492 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: future when the show comes back, would you consider it. 493 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 3: Yes, I don't think I would ever shut the door. 494 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 3: I had an incredible experience on The Bachelor, and I've 495 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 3: said it before, I'll say it again. Even knowing how 496 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 3: my journey ended, and knowing I would go home night 497 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 3: two or week two, I would go back and do 498 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 3: it all again. I had a really, really great time. 499 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 3: I have nothing but the best things to say about 500 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 3: Grant and the production and the entire show. So because 501 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 3: I had such a great experience, I would definitely be 502 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 3: open to doing anything as far as Bachelor Nation goes. Yeah, 503 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 3: I absolutely feel like part of the family already, and 504 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 3: I felt their outreach from the fans, and I love it. 505 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with it. I've had a great time and 506 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 3: I have no complaints from what's for trade or what's 507 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 3: not portrayed the women on the seasons. I mean, we've 508 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 3: just had a really all around I had a really 509 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 3: great experience. 510 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 2: And then the final thing I have to up because 511 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 2: it was mentioned and it feels like more and more 512 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 2: we talk about it here on the Almost Famous podcast. 513 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 2: It's a complete pivot point. But you have been open 514 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 2: about your lime disease. If you don't listen to the 515 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 2: Almost Famous podcast. One of my best friends in the 516 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 2: world suffered from lime disease and it actually increased to 517 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 2: a whole different disease and that he still deals with 518 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 2: this day. Obviously, we have Kelly Flanagan, we have Daisy. 519 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 2: Lime disease is a very important topic that doesn't get 520 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 2: talked about enough, that isn't studied enough, that isn't even 521 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 2: considered a real disease by most, which is outrageous to me. 522 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 2: So in closing here, we have a minute do you 523 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 2: mind sharing about your lime disease and kind of where 524 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 2: you're at, how you're healing, and any advocacy efforts that 525 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 2: you're doing or that you know of on behalf of 526 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 2: this disease that so many people are unfamiliar with. 527 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for thank you for loving that up to me, 528 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 3: because it's such an important cause and one that I've 529 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 3: personally suffered. I was about two and I contracted limes disease, 530 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 3: and unfortunately I was in New Jersey and the tick 531 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 3: had bit me on my hairline. And because I was 532 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 3: so young, a lot of the symptoms are really similar 533 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 3: to the flu, and the one really sign that you 534 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 3: can tell it's limes disease is a bullseye rash that 535 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 3: you get around the tick bite, and because that was 536 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 3: under my hairline, it was undetectable. And so I was 537 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 3: so young. My mom kept taking me to doctors and 538 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 3: everybody kept saying, it's a flu, it's this, this, this, 539 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 3: And then one day I woke up and I was 540 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 3: completely paralyzed, my entire right half of my body. I 541 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 3: was in a wheelchair. They rushed me to the hospital 542 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 3: and put me in a placed me in an induced 543 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 3: coma so my brain swelling wouldn't keep on increasing and 544 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 3: got me on antibiotics and a direct line pickline to 545 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 3: my heart, which I stayed on and from there. It's 546 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 3: something that I've lived with that is I've never really 547 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,239 Speaker 3: had a normal baseline because it happens so young in 548 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 3: my life. I've lived with it what feels like my 549 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 3: entirety of my life, and it's just something I've learned 550 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 3: to manage and it's ongoing. There is no cure for it, sadly, 551 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 3: so a lot of limes disease patients have different experimental, 552 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 3: holistic remedies that they'll try. I love cryotherapy and in 553 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 3: Fred'sana's of course, there's the antibiotic route that I've also 554 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 3: partaken in and it has helped me tremendously, but it's 555 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 3: not a forever solution. It's something that I continuously have 556 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 3: to go back on and do rounds of antibiotic treatments 557 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 3: every couple of years. So it's a lot and it's 558 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 3: something that I think a lot of people are starting 559 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 3: to talk about more, thank goodness, and I love that 560 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 3: there is so much of it shown on Bachelor, because 561 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 3: we need to talk about it more. And I think 562 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 3: we're finally getting to the point where people are addressing 563 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 3: the severity of it and how serious it is, which 564 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 3: is wild that it's taken this long. But I do 565 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 3: advocate for the limes disease community. Bay Area Line Society 566 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 3: is out of California. I've partnered with them previously and 567 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 3: continue to partner with them on really educating an awareness 568 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 3: for limes disease. If you follow their social media pages, 569 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 3: they also share about events and fundraisers that they have 570 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 3: throughout the year, But the biggest part of their cause 571 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 3: is trying to educate people and just bringing the statistics 572 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 3: of this disease to the forefront. So if you're interested 573 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 3: or you have lime disease know as someone who has 574 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 3: limes disease or suffering with it, I would highly encourage 575 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 3: you to check out Bay Area Limes Disease as a 576 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 3: resource for learning more and for learning about events in 577 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 3: your area or ways you can help. 578 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is something that needs to be talked about more. 579 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 2: Thank you for bringing it up. It is interesting that 580 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 2: The Bachelor has so many contestings that have suffered with 581 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 2: this disease, but I also think it's not only because 582 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 2: the Bachelor looks for people with lime disease, Because I 583 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 2: don't think they do. I think it's because a lot 584 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 2: of people have it. 585 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 3: It's the spetific of limes disease of how many people 586 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 3: have it that is. I mean, if you think about 587 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,959 Speaker 3: the statistics of who has had it or experienced it 588 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 3: from the Bachelor Nation, I think that would be pretty 589 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 3: fitting with what statistically online with how many people are 590 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,719 Speaker 3: implicated with limes disease. 591 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 2: Thanks for talking about it. It means a lot to 592 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 2: all of us here. We've talked about it many times. Alicia. 593 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 2: You are great. We hope to watch you on Paradise. 594 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 2: We hope to have you some almost famous events. Thank 595 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 2: you for taking the time to chat with us today. 596 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 2: We leave this conversation with some nuggets. Devin works hard 597 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 2: about some things that he just shouldn't be working with. 598 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 2: The second thing takeaway is we have no answers to 599 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 2: why Alisha was sent at home. We're still as confused 600 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 2: as ever, but it doesn't mean that her love story 601 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 2: is over and hopefully we get this see it on 602 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 2: the beaches wherever those beaches exist in the world. Here 603 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 2: coming up soon. Until next time, I've been Ben. 604 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 4: I've been Ashley. See you guys 605 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley, I almost famous podcasts on 606 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.