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Speaker 1: a football player. Welcome to a celebration of Jacksonville Jaguars

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Speaker 1: left tackle Tony Baselli's induction in the National Football League

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fames. What makes it even more special for

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Speaker 1: For them to care that much means a tonu to me.

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Speaker 1: Join Jaguars dot Com senior writer John Hosier as he

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Speaker 1: of all creata doing that, and you know it's Uh.

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Speaker 1: I was fortunate enough to cover every game you guys

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Speaker 1: Is there that connection that fans feel between you guys? Well,

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