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Speaker 1: Patriots Unfiltered the world's original podcast. Patriots Unfiltered brings you

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Speaker 1: Paul Parillo, Mike Desso, Evan Lazar, Tamara Brown, and Alex

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Speaker 2: He's a red shirt rookie at that point, so it's

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Speaker 2: really that's his rookie season essentially too, So now we're

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Speaker 2: really not talking about them, really knowing.

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Speaker 4: What's up everybody? Hello, Hello, cold o ball, cold open.

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Speaker 4: I'm not used to the cold open.

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Speaker 2: We have nothing well because they know we react. We

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Speaker 2: spend like five minutes reacting in the nonsense, and this

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Speaker 2: way we actually get the show on the road. That's true,

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Speaker 2: that's true. It's probably for the best, probably probably for

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Speaker 2: the best, and we don't get to do a two

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Speaker 2: weeks ago we did shapes. Last week we did Schrodinger's Cat.

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Speaker 2: We don't get to do like a lesson. Well, maybe

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Speaker 2: maybe that'll come later in the show. Maybe that'll come.

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Speaker 2: I I have a little bit of a lesson.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's unsolicited, though.

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Speaker 2: It's an unsolicited lesson? Is it that we shouldn't get

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Speaker 2: a haircut the same week because it's gonna look like

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Speaker 2: we did it on purpose? I didn't know that that happened,

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Speaker 2: but I got called out that earlier. Taylor Kyle's called

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Speaker 2: us out for that. Well, why we just name names.

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Speaker 2: Taylor Kyle's called.

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Speaker 3: You out for it, called us out for it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, fair enough.

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Speaker 2: New England Patriots. Sorry, what's this is an unsolicited lesson? Okay,

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Speaker 2: and totally just my my thoughts on the state of

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Speaker 2: the Patriots right now.

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Speaker 3: Okay, which.

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Speaker 2: If you turn on.

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Speaker 4: Your station, even our station, things are not going so

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Speaker 3: No, they're not around here. I would say that's an

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Speaker 2: At one and six.

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Speaker 4: But the one thing that I come back to, because

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Speaker 4: this is a football show, and I hope I said

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Speaker 4: this when Bill was here, because I I this is

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Speaker 4: truly how I feel. I could care less about press conferences.

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Speaker 4: I could care less about what is said a press conferences.

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Speaker 4: I could care like that's why we were just talking.

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Speaker 4: For people that just continue to listen. We're talking on

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Speaker 4: this that the other. I just don't care. I don't

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Speaker 4: who's saying that? You know, the coach this the coach

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Speaker 4: that I just don't don't care. What I care about

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Speaker 2: And the way that I view.

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Speaker 4: Right now with this team is I'm not one hundred

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Speaker 3: Buckets, khakis and non khakis.

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Speaker 4: Correct, I put them in the culture builders or for

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Speaker 2: motivators in developers And those might not be the exact terms,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to keep it in two separate categories,

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Speaker 2: Pete Carroll to me was like the guy for this right.

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Speaker 2: Dan Campbell is the guy now.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a difference people are gonna jump to, like, oh,

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Speaker 4: So I was going to get to top so Dan

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Speaker 2: Just a really really great leader of men. Then in

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Speaker 4: I Bill built to me, though, what I'm getting at

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Speaker 2: I but I don't know about that Bill did such

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Speaker 3: Bill Bill is his own fine thing. Bill supersedes that.

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Speaker 4: I think John is a culture builder. He's a special

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Speaker 3: But he's not Bill. Nobody's Bill.

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Speaker 2: But like Bill's not Bill is all of the above.

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Speaker 4: Sure, So my point is bringing this up just to

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Speaker 4: if he's going to continue things like this, then I

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00:23:13,338 --> 00:23:16,378
Speaker 4: don't see a path of it necessarily getting better, and

436
00:23:16,658 --> 00:23:22,858
Speaker 4: that can be scary. In terms of the quarterback, I

437
00:23:22,938 --> 00:23:25,098
Speaker 4: do want to give the coaching staff a tiny bit

438
00:23:25,138 --> 00:23:28,018
Speaker 4: of kudos. I feel like they've taken on a lot

439
00:23:28,018 --> 00:23:30,978
Speaker 4: of water. I want to give them a tiny bit

440
00:23:31,018 --> 00:23:36,458
Speaker 4: of kudos because as much as we can rail them

441
00:23:36,458 --> 00:23:39,818
Speaker 4: for all this stuff we just talked about, I am very,

442
00:23:39,978 --> 00:23:46,018
Speaker 4: very impressed with Drake May and his development and his

443
00:23:46,218 --> 00:23:49,218
Speaker 4: preparedness for these games. Like Drake May is ready to go,

444
00:23:49,538 --> 00:23:54,338
Speaker 4: yeah on Sundays. They whatever they're doing, whether it's McAdoo,

445
00:23:54,738 --> 00:23:59,218
Speaker 4: it's Van Pelt, it's TC McCartney, the quarterbacks coach. I

446
00:23:59,218 --> 00:24:03,778
Speaker 4: don't know who's exactly responsible. They keep telling us it's

447
00:24:03,858 --> 00:24:06,738
Speaker 4: Van Pelt, So I'm just gonna give him the credit

448
00:24:07,178 --> 00:24:11,778
Speaker 4: for the time being. Whoever is responsible for Drake May

449
00:24:12,258 --> 00:24:15,218
Speaker 4: in his development and getting him ready to play on

450
00:24:15,298 --> 00:24:18,658
Speaker 4: Sundays and all that kind of stuff, they've done a

451
00:24:18,658 --> 00:24:20,938
Speaker 4: great job with him. They've done a really nice job

452
00:24:20,978 --> 00:24:21,298
Speaker 4: with him.

453
00:24:21,618 --> 00:24:23,937
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, absolutely, I think you know, there's a lot

454
00:24:23,978 --> 00:24:25,818
Speaker 2: of questions about the plan. There's a lot of questions

455
00:24:25,818 --> 00:24:28,218
Speaker 2: about the timeline, but clearly it worked. And I know

456
00:24:28,258 --> 00:24:30,818
Speaker 2: there's people now like, imagine he was playing earlier. You know,

457
00:24:31,738 --> 00:24:35,578
Speaker 2: maybe those five weeks made a difference. Have you considered that, No, Like,

458
00:24:35,618 --> 00:24:39,698
Speaker 2: there were always going to be people who who whenever

459
00:24:39,778 --> 00:24:41,778
Speaker 2: Drake May started, if he looked Good said, well, he

460
00:24:41,778 --> 00:24:44,698
Speaker 2: should have been playing earlier, completely ignoring the whole concept

461
00:24:44,738 --> 00:24:47,818
Speaker 2: of the passage of time. But no, he's been He's

462
00:24:47,858 --> 00:24:53,138
Speaker 2: been really impressive. Van Pelt does deserve credit. And and

463
00:24:53,978 --> 00:24:57,378
Speaker 2: you know, you hope that now you walk this type

464
00:24:57,498 --> 00:25:00,937
Speaker 2: rope where you hope that the other things that are

465
00:25:00,978 --> 00:25:04,578
Speaker 2: going on in the organization don't derail the progress he's making.

466
00:25:04,618 --> 00:25:06,938
Speaker 2: And I know there's been some questions about changing the

467
00:25:06,938 --> 00:25:10,018
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, coaching changes in the off season, which are

468
00:25:10,058 --> 00:25:13,298
Speaker 2: like fair questions, but I think anytime you ask those

469
00:25:13,738 --> 00:25:16,818
Speaker 2: you have to factor in what it means for Drake

470
00:25:16,858 --> 00:25:19,178
Speaker 2: May because at this point, like you're seeing from Drake

471
00:25:19,218 --> 00:25:22,578
Speaker 2: May a guy who truly potentially is the future, and

472
00:25:23,018 --> 00:25:24,218
Speaker 2: you don't want to mess around with that.

473
00:25:24,698 --> 00:25:31,098
Speaker 4: Yeah, I continue to be super impressed with med how

474
00:25:31,138 --> 00:25:33,658
Speaker 4: much of a grasp he has on the game already

475
00:25:34,138 --> 00:25:37,498
Speaker 4: so early on. There's some physical stuff stuff I want

476
00:25:37,538 --> 00:25:39,498
Speaker 4: to get to on the on the you know, the

477
00:25:39,538 --> 00:25:42,778
Speaker 4: minus side or the negative side as well, but his

478
00:25:42,858 --> 00:25:47,658
Speaker 4: ability right now, UH to process defense, to understand coverage,

479
00:25:47,698 --> 00:25:51,258
Speaker 4: ID coverage, UH, get through his progressions and get through

480
00:25:51,298 --> 00:25:54,138
Speaker 4: his reads, Like this is a guy that's going one, two,

481
00:25:54,138 --> 00:25:58,417
Speaker 4: three in progressions consistently. You know one, two, three, uh,

482
00:25:58,618 --> 00:26:02,258
Speaker 4: check down, backside dig, left to right, right to left,

483
00:26:02,298 --> 00:26:05,578
Speaker 4: progression reads I D in coverage, you know Tampa two,

484
00:26:06,178 --> 00:26:09,178
Speaker 4: you know exotic Tampa two man to man like that's

485
00:26:09,178 --> 00:26:12,177
Speaker 4: what he's getting last week in Jacksonville, and he's reading

486
00:26:12,218 --> 00:26:14,418
Speaker 4: it all out and knowing where to go with the football.

487
00:26:14,938 --> 00:26:17,818
Speaker 4: I have so very few problems with where he's going

488
00:26:17,858 --> 00:26:18,338
Speaker 4: with the ball.

489
00:26:19,058 --> 00:26:19,378
Speaker 2: Now.

490
00:26:20,178 --> 00:26:22,618
Speaker 4: Is the ball getting there is is maybe a different

491
00:26:22,618 --> 00:26:26,458
Speaker 4: story which we can talk about, but so much of

492
00:26:26,498 --> 00:26:29,378
Speaker 4: the battle for young quarterbacks is knowing where to go

493
00:26:29,738 --> 00:26:33,378
Speaker 4: with it, not necessarily is it accurate, and all that

494
00:26:33,458 --> 00:26:38,298
Speaker 4: kind of stuff, anticipation, playing on time, playing from the pocket,

495
00:26:38,658 --> 00:26:41,418
Speaker 4: trusting the pocket, like all these types of things. He's

496
00:26:41,458 --> 00:26:45,298
Speaker 4: doing really well and progressing and getting better at and

497
00:26:45,378 --> 00:26:47,778
Speaker 4: over the course of games and over the course of weeks,

498
00:26:47,778 --> 00:26:50,058
Speaker 4: now that we've seen him multiple weeks. You know a

499
00:26:50,138 --> 00:26:55,018
Speaker 4: couple throws that stood out, obviously, the touchdown pass to Hasty.

500
00:26:55,098 --> 00:26:58,498
Speaker 4: He's very very hot on that play. Right they have

501
00:26:58,538 --> 00:27:01,938
Speaker 4: two unblocked blitzers coming off the right side. He immediately

502
00:27:01,938 --> 00:27:06,498
Speaker 4: knows where his answer is. Poised, calm, collected, under pressure,

503
00:27:06,858 --> 00:27:09,098
Speaker 4: throws it out to Hasty. Lets this guy go and

504
00:27:09,138 --> 00:27:11,138
Speaker 4: make a play, and they end up scoring a touchdown

505
00:27:11,178 --> 00:27:13,938
Speaker 4: on it. The touchdown throw to kJ Osborne, you know

506
00:27:13,978 --> 00:27:18,458
Speaker 4: it's Tampa two. Henry gets carried Osborne doesn't. He throws

507
00:27:18,498 --> 00:27:21,058
Speaker 4: the ball to Osbourne, layers it in there perfectly with

508
00:27:21,098 --> 00:27:26,058
Speaker 4: some anticipation. Those types of throws are you don't necessarily

509
00:27:26,098 --> 00:27:28,938
Speaker 4: see young quarterbacks making those types of reads, those type

510
00:27:28,938 --> 00:27:31,858
Speaker 4: of decisions and throws this early on in the game.

511
00:27:31,898 --> 00:27:34,698
Speaker 4: You know, I was just watching the last couple of

512
00:27:34,698 --> 00:27:36,818
Speaker 4: weeks watch a lot of Caleb, you know, with cross

513
00:27:37,258 --> 00:27:39,778
Speaker 4: film and stuff like that. I was just watching this

514
00:27:39,818 --> 00:27:42,458
Speaker 4: morning Caleb in Week one against this Titans defense, the

515
00:27:42,458 --> 00:27:44,858
Speaker 4: Patriots are gonna face. They had like one hundred and

516
00:27:44,858 --> 00:27:47,058
Speaker 4: eighty yards of total offense. You know, like he's all

517
00:27:47,098 --> 00:27:50,898
Speaker 4: over the place, you know, leaving pockets on shore holding

518
00:27:50,898 --> 00:27:53,698
Speaker 4: the football, things like that. You don't see a ton

519
00:27:53,738 --> 00:27:57,058
Speaker 4: of deer in the headlights right now from Drake May

520
00:27:57,138 --> 00:27:58,938
Speaker 4: where it looks like he just doesn't really know what

521
00:27:59,218 --> 00:28:01,058
Speaker 4: he's looking at or where he's going.

522
00:28:00,858 --> 00:28:01,378
Speaker 2: With the ball.

523
00:28:02,018 --> 00:28:05,218
Speaker 4: That type of stuff is extremely impressive. Maybe it speaks

524
00:28:05,258 --> 00:28:07,738
Speaker 4: to him sitting like that, there's a possibility and you know,

525
00:28:07,778 --> 00:28:10,098
Speaker 4: I'm not a pro sit kind of guy, but the

526
00:28:10,138 --> 00:28:12,938
Speaker 4: one thing I would say that's anti sit with May

527
00:28:13,498 --> 00:28:16,778
Speaker 4: is he's also seems to every single down, every single

528
00:28:16,858 --> 00:28:20,058
Speaker 4: snap he takes, every time he drops back, you see him.

529
00:28:20,018 --> 00:28:23,178
Speaker 2: Learning and getting better. And so he's getting better rapidly

530
00:28:23,298 --> 00:28:25,898
Speaker 2: now because he's playing, you know, but like you don't

531
00:28:25,898 --> 00:28:29,058
Speaker 2: think that was happening in practice, and I'm not maybe

532
00:28:29,058 --> 00:28:32,018
Speaker 2: the same extent that happens in again, but maybe they

533
00:28:32,058 --> 00:28:34,058
Speaker 2: wanted that to happen in practice for a month or

534
00:28:34,058 --> 00:28:35,498
Speaker 2: so before they put him in a game.

535
00:28:35,738 --> 00:28:36,738
Speaker 3: I think that's pro sit.

536
00:28:37,418 --> 00:28:39,018
Speaker 2: It's possible, but.

537
00:28:39,778 --> 00:28:44,578
Speaker 4: I look at it drive to drive. In games, you're

538
00:28:44,658 --> 00:28:48,098
Speaker 4: seeing him make a mistake and then come back to

539
00:28:48,178 --> 00:28:49,338
Speaker 4: the same mistake later, and.

540
00:28:50,178 --> 00:28:52,698
Speaker 2: That's encouraging, but it's also like the thing he still

541
00:28:52,738 --> 00:28:54,378
Speaker 2: has to work on, and I honestly he did a

542
00:28:54,378 --> 00:28:56,258
Speaker 2: better job at this past week, but like again that

543
00:28:56,818 --> 00:29:00,698
Speaker 2: coming out not too hot, yeah, not too high, and

544
00:29:00,818 --> 00:29:02,338
Speaker 2: just kind of being able to settle into the game.

545
00:29:02,698 --> 00:29:05,898
Speaker 2: So that's all super encouraging.

546
00:29:05,938 --> 00:29:08,858
Speaker 4: We talked a lot about like quarterback philosophy last week,

547
00:29:08,978 --> 00:29:11,858
Speaker 4: or I'd rather have the toolsy guy that sees it well.

548
00:29:11,898 --> 00:29:15,098
Speaker 4: But doesn't always throw accurately than a Zach Wilson or

549
00:29:15,098 --> 00:29:18,698
Speaker 4: a mac Jones who has limitations that are maybe beyond repair.

550
00:29:19,058 --> 00:29:21,258
Speaker 4: I still don't see anything with Drake May that I

551
00:29:21,338 --> 00:29:25,338
Speaker 4: feel like is bust potential. No at this point. Now

552
00:29:25,538 --> 00:29:28,938
Speaker 4: with that being said, just to be objective about it.

553
00:29:29,418 --> 00:29:31,338
Speaker 4: On the other side of the coin with him, the

554
00:29:31,378 --> 00:29:33,338
Speaker 4: one thing that I would say that I see with

555
00:29:33,418 --> 00:29:39,058
Speaker 4: him now is we're still seeing half a dozen sprays

556
00:29:39,098 --> 00:29:41,498
Speaker 4: a game. Yeah, And I know some people are why

557
00:29:41,578 --> 00:29:45,138
Speaker 4: you harping on the sprays, like why it becomes a

558
00:29:45,178 --> 00:29:47,578
Speaker 4: big deal? And I thought JT. Os Sullivan I had

559
00:29:47,578 --> 00:29:49,978
Speaker 4: watched it last night. He did a QB school on

560
00:29:50,098 --> 00:29:51,698
Speaker 4: Drake May. I thought he did a great job of

561
00:29:51,778 --> 00:29:55,978
Speaker 4: explaining it with tangible evidence. The issue is is that

562
00:29:56,018 --> 00:29:58,458
Speaker 4: when you miss the throw on first down, it has

563
00:29:58,498 --> 00:30:01,498
Speaker 4: a domino effect on second and third. So when you

564
00:30:01,578 --> 00:30:05,538
Speaker 4: come back on second down, and the example that JT

565
00:30:05,778 --> 00:30:10,378
Speaker 4: used was second and fourteen, he has Pop Douglas on

566
00:30:10,418 --> 00:30:13,818
Speaker 4: a little out on the sideline and he just airmails it, right,

567
00:30:14,018 --> 00:30:17,178
Speaker 4: he just completely misses the throw. So now instead of

568
00:30:17,298 --> 00:30:21,338
Speaker 4: second in fourteen becoming third and seven, it's now third

569
00:30:21,338 --> 00:30:25,418
Speaker 4: and fourteen, right, and so these issues have this cumulative

570
00:30:25,458 --> 00:30:29,178
Speaker 4: effect that now because we missed the layup on second down,

571
00:30:29,618 --> 00:30:33,218
Speaker 4: now third and four team, now we're punting right. And

572
00:30:33,258 --> 00:30:36,898
Speaker 4: when you're looking for things like consistent offense, it's difficult

573
00:30:36,978 --> 00:30:40,098
Speaker 4: to be a consistent offense in this league when you're

574
00:30:40,178 --> 00:30:41,818
Speaker 4: constantly behind schedule.

575
00:30:42,418 --> 00:30:44,698
Speaker 2: And one thing I'll say for May to his credit,

576
00:30:45,178 --> 00:30:47,858
Speaker 2: like these receivers want to make plays for him. You

577
00:30:47,898 --> 00:30:50,698
Speaker 2: have guys in this I know this sounds basic, it's not.

578
00:30:50,858 --> 00:30:53,298
Speaker 2: It's not the case on every team. You have guys

579
00:30:53,298 --> 00:30:54,938
Speaker 2: in this receiver room. As much as they've kind of

580
00:30:54,938 --> 00:30:57,898
Speaker 2: complained in the past week, Dave shown, they'll go outside

581
00:30:57,938 --> 00:31:00,938
Speaker 2: their catch radius, they'll go into contact to try to

582
00:31:00,938 --> 00:31:03,738
Speaker 2: make a catch. So it's not even like he has

583
00:31:03,778 --> 00:31:06,218
Speaker 2: to put the ball directly in the bread basket every

584
00:31:06,218 --> 00:31:09,978
Speaker 2: single time. But if he gives these guys competitive throws,

585
00:31:10,378 --> 00:31:11,818
Speaker 2: you know, ideally you want to put it right in

586
00:31:11,858 --> 00:31:14,138
Speaker 2: the hands, but on the chances, on the on the

587
00:31:14,138 --> 00:31:16,498
Speaker 2: case he doesn't, if you can at least give them

588
00:31:16,538 --> 00:31:18,978
Speaker 2: competitive throws, you have guys whoill go up and make

589
00:31:18,978 --> 00:31:21,258
Speaker 2: a play for you. You don't have guys I could

590
00:31:21,258 --> 00:31:22,898
Speaker 2: probably get there, but I want to take the hit right,

591
00:31:22,898 --> 00:31:25,098
Speaker 2: which does happen around the league. Yea, And I even

592
00:31:25,498 --> 00:31:27,938
Speaker 2: credit to this receiver corps. I haven't really seen that

593
00:31:28,098 --> 00:31:30,858
Speaker 2: with them outside of maybe a handful of ex smples,

594
00:31:30,858 --> 00:31:32,378
Speaker 2: and some of those guys aren't playing right now. So

595
00:31:34,098 --> 00:31:35,538
Speaker 2: if he can just get to the point where these

596
00:31:35,538 --> 00:31:38,018
Speaker 2: strows are competitive, it changes a lot. But these are

597
00:31:38,018 --> 00:31:40,618
Speaker 2: throws that it's I mean, there were a couple light

598
00:31:40,698 --> 00:31:41,858
Speaker 2: to go back and watch. I think to throw to

599
00:31:41,858 --> 00:31:43,698
Speaker 2: Pop was one of them. Ry couldn't tell if he

600
00:31:43,738 --> 00:31:44,738
Speaker 2: was throwing the ball away or not.

601
00:31:44,978 --> 00:31:47,938
Speaker 4: No, No, he's throwing it to the guys, and he's

602
00:31:47,978 --> 00:31:50,418
Speaker 4: going for the most part, like I keep saying, like

603
00:31:50,458 --> 00:31:52,938
Speaker 4: he's going to the right places with the ball. We

604
00:31:53,098 --> 00:31:56,218
Speaker 4: just gotta now work on being more consistent with our

605
00:31:56,258 --> 00:31:58,898
Speaker 4: ball placement so that the ball is getting to where

606
00:31:58,898 --> 00:32:02,098
Speaker 4: it needs to go. I'll give you another example, because

607
00:32:02,098 --> 00:32:03,978
Speaker 4: I don't want it to sound like I'm just nitpicking.

608
00:32:04,018 --> 00:32:07,338
Speaker 4: One example, the third down throw to Kendrick Bourne. Yep,

609
00:32:07,738 --> 00:32:10,578
Speaker 4: that's a four point play. That's a difference between ten

610
00:32:10,658 --> 00:32:13,698
Speaker 4: nothing and fourteen nothing. That's a big deal in an

611
00:32:13,818 --> 00:32:14,498
Speaker 4: NFL game.

612
00:32:14,618 --> 00:32:14,818
Speaker 2: You know.

613
00:32:14,858 --> 00:32:17,018
Speaker 4: He said it himself after the game, like I need

614
00:32:17,018 --> 00:32:19,338
Speaker 4: to throw a better ball there. If he hits Kendrick

615
00:32:19,378 --> 00:32:22,098
Speaker 4: Bourne coming out of that incut and stride, that might

616
00:32:22,138 --> 00:32:24,658
Speaker 4: be a touchdown. There's one there's one safety to be

617
00:32:24,818 --> 00:32:26,178
Speaker 4: in the middle of the field with a ton of

618
00:32:26,218 --> 00:32:28,538
Speaker 4: room where Bourne can go left or right to get

619
00:32:28,618 --> 00:32:31,458
Speaker 4: around him and walk into the end zone. If he

620
00:32:31,538 --> 00:32:34,618
Speaker 4: hits him on that throw, that's a big difference between

621
00:32:34,778 --> 00:32:36,858
Speaker 4: ten and fourteen nothing early on in the game.

622
00:32:37,298 --> 00:32:38,378
Speaker 2: So you look at.

623
00:32:38,218 --> 00:32:42,258
Speaker 4: Those types of things, and that to me is why

624
00:32:42,338 --> 00:32:45,338
Speaker 4: you have stretches of games where they still have no

625
00:32:45,418 --> 00:32:48,178
Speaker 4: offense right like, And I understand that there's other issues

626
00:32:48,218 --> 00:32:51,378
Speaker 4: involved at the offense of not putting it just on him,

627
00:32:51,738 --> 00:32:55,378
Speaker 4: but it's those inconsistencies with this offense, this group as

628
00:32:55,418 --> 00:32:58,578
Speaker 4: a whole, whether it's like you know, second quarter, you

629
00:32:58,618 --> 00:33:01,178
Speaker 4: have a protection breakdown, you have a drop, you have

630
00:33:01,218 --> 00:33:05,338
Speaker 4: a misthrow, like, those are the differences between we just

631
00:33:05,418 --> 00:33:08,098
Speaker 4: started hot and flamed out and we have this sustained

632
00:33:08,138 --> 00:33:11,538
Speaker 4: success for four quarters and we have offense for four quarters.

633
00:33:11,858 --> 00:33:14,938
Speaker 4: So when it comes to the misses, I think the

634
00:33:15,258 --> 00:33:19,218
Speaker 4: number one thing that I see with him mechanically is

635
00:33:19,898 --> 00:33:20,898
Speaker 4: the throwing hallway.

636
00:33:21,258 --> 00:33:22,618
Speaker 2: So the throwing.

637
00:33:22,298 --> 00:33:27,458
Speaker 4: Hallway feet feet, hips, shoulders, eyes, right, all of that

638
00:33:27,578 --> 00:33:30,338
Speaker 4: needs to be pointed in the right direction of where

639
00:33:30,338 --> 00:33:33,218
Speaker 4: you want the football to go. And if you're not

640
00:33:33,418 --> 00:33:37,458
Speaker 4: pointed in that hallway to the right direction, then you're

641
00:33:37,498 --> 00:33:41,578
Speaker 4: really opening yourself up to having inaccuracies as a quarterback.

642
00:33:41,938 --> 00:33:45,218
Speaker 4: So at times right now you'll see him, you know,

643
00:33:45,338 --> 00:33:48,058
Speaker 4: throwing the ball to the right or to the left,

644
00:33:48,058 --> 00:33:51,978
Speaker 4: but he's pointed inside and that causes him to have

645
00:33:52,018 --> 00:33:54,218
Speaker 4: to like open up his front foot and like swing

646
00:33:54,258 --> 00:33:57,338
Speaker 4: the gate open, and then all now we're air mailing it,

647
00:33:57,378 --> 00:34:00,018
Speaker 4: we're missing throws, whatever the case may be. So there's

648
00:34:00,018 --> 00:34:04,498
Speaker 4: still some footwork things I would say with that that

649
00:34:04,538 --> 00:34:07,258
Speaker 4: can be fine tuned and fixed that I think will

650
00:34:07,298 --> 00:34:09,937
Speaker 4: really improve his accuracy once he gets to the point

651
00:34:09,978 --> 00:34:12,578
Speaker 4: where that's more consistent and he's throwing from a more

652
00:34:12,658 --> 00:34:16,297
Speaker 4: solid base. Now that being said, he can also just

653
00:34:16,378 --> 00:34:18,698
Speaker 4: go out there and throw a dime to Kishan Boudi

654
00:34:18,777 --> 00:34:21,058
Speaker 4: on a go ball. That's the prettiest throw you'll ever see.

655
00:34:21,338 --> 00:34:23,417
Speaker 4: And that's that's been a little bit of the Drake

656
00:34:23,498 --> 00:34:27,057
Speaker 4: may experience, even going back to North Carolina. So there's

657
00:34:27,058 --> 00:34:30,098
Speaker 4: so much positive I would say, it's like ninety positive ye.

658
00:34:30,738 --> 00:34:32,498
Speaker 3: Good, but you're here to talk about everything.

659
00:34:32,578 --> 00:34:34,498
Speaker 4: Yeah, those are the little things that I noticed with

660
00:34:34,618 --> 00:34:37,018
Speaker 4: him that I would just like to see him improve on,

661
00:34:37,218 --> 00:34:41,178
Speaker 4: especially with those inaccuracy bouts, Like he has these bouts

662
00:34:41,218 --> 00:34:43,698
Speaker 4: where he'll just have some throws that just start to

663
00:34:43,738 --> 00:34:44,338
Speaker 4: snowball on it.

664
00:34:44,338 --> 00:34:46,418
Speaker 2: And again, I wonder if some of that is just adrenaline.

665
00:34:46,818 --> 00:34:50,458
Speaker 2: It could if it's just you know, get hearts pumped

666
00:34:50,458 --> 00:34:52,858
Speaker 2: a little too fast and it's putting more on it

667
00:34:52,858 --> 00:34:54,138
Speaker 2: than he needs to because he's.

668
00:34:53,978 --> 00:34:54,858
Speaker 3: Just you know, feeling it.

669
00:34:54,898 --> 00:34:56,978
Speaker 2: He's in the moment and just again being able to

670
00:34:57,018 --> 00:34:59,218
Speaker 2: take that. Depex talked about this last week. Don't not

671
00:34:59,298 --> 00:35:03,098
Speaker 2: play with passion. But you know there are quarterbacks that

672
00:35:03,178 --> 00:35:04,897
Speaker 2: get into those moments and they let it get away

673
00:35:04,898 --> 00:35:08,378
Speaker 2: from him with the truly great Do is harness that? Yeah,

674
00:35:08,418 --> 00:35:12,058
Speaker 2: and use it to to you know, really focus in

675
00:35:12,138 --> 00:35:13,298
Speaker 2: that much more? Yeah?

676
00:35:13,458 --> 00:35:17,658
Speaker 4: Yeah, just a couple of more throws on the positive side.

677
00:35:18,858 --> 00:35:21,138
Speaker 4: The throw to Hunter Henry up the seam.

678
00:35:21,058 --> 00:35:24,418
Speaker 2: Yeah, great catch. But when I watched it back and

679
00:35:24,498 --> 00:35:28,178
Speaker 2: watching that live, that's a no, no, yes type of

680
00:35:28,218 --> 00:35:31,698
Speaker 2: throw live. Watching it back, I was like, oh, wow, no,

681
00:35:31,818 --> 00:35:35,738
Speaker 2: actually he saw the coverage. It's Tampa to the defender

682
00:35:35,778 --> 00:35:38,418
Speaker 2: is on Hunter Henry's back with his back to the quarterback.

683
00:35:38,698 --> 00:35:41,898
Speaker 2: So all, if you're the quarterback in that situation, all

684
00:35:41,938 --> 00:35:43,938
Speaker 2: you got to do is throw the ball up, like

685
00:35:44,018 --> 00:35:46,498
Speaker 2: just throw it high and let your your big six

686
00:35:46,498 --> 00:35:48,458
Speaker 2: foot five tight end go ahead and make a play

687
00:35:48,458 --> 00:35:51,138
Speaker 2: on the football. That was a really good throw in

688
00:35:51,218 --> 00:35:54,218
Speaker 2: hindsight watching it back, and it's from like a foam

689
00:35:54,258 --> 00:35:56,978
Speaker 2: booth condensed pocket. He doesn't really have a pocket to

690
00:35:57,018 --> 00:36:00,058
Speaker 2: step up into and really drive that throw. And that's

691
00:36:00,098 --> 00:36:02,418
Speaker 2: where the arm talent shines, you know, when he does

692
00:36:02,578 --> 00:36:06,738
Speaker 2: has muddied pockets, nothing to step into, and he still

693
00:36:06,778 --> 00:36:09,058
Speaker 2: has that ability to get the football there, not to

694
00:36:09,178 --> 00:36:12,458
Speaker 2: like constantly make it about him. But the last quarterback

695
00:36:12,458 --> 00:36:14,498
Speaker 2: here could not make that throw. Like that's just not

696
00:36:14,578 --> 00:36:16,938
Speaker 2: a throw that that was in one of those guys

697
00:36:17,098 --> 00:36:17,698
Speaker 2: either one.

698
00:36:18,138 --> 00:36:18,858
Speaker 3: I was about to make.

699
00:36:20,538 --> 00:36:22,898
Speaker 2: To be honest, neither one of those guys have that

700
00:36:22,978 --> 00:36:26,377
Speaker 2: in their bag. That was a great throw obviously once

701
00:36:26,418 --> 00:36:28,858
Speaker 2: a game. Now we're seeing him ta keish on Booty

702
00:36:29,058 --> 00:36:33,138
Speaker 2: on a deep ball, just perfectly throwing passes to Booty

703
00:36:33,538 --> 00:36:34,698
Speaker 2: on those vertical rats.

704
00:36:35,018 --> 00:36:37,098
Speaker 4: Uh, those are great. A couple of great throws to

705
00:36:37,178 --> 00:36:39,698
Speaker 4: Hunter Henry in the middle of the field too. Finally,

706
00:36:39,738 --> 00:36:42,778
Speaker 4: some like scheme stuff I thought from Van Pelt going

707
00:36:42,858 --> 00:36:46,298
Speaker 4: fast forward, like motioning the back into the into the

708
00:36:46,298 --> 00:36:48,377
Speaker 4: same side of the progression and then you have four

709
00:36:48,418 --> 00:36:51,138
Speaker 4: guys releasing on one side of the field. That's like

710
00:36:51,178 --> 00:36:53,818
Speaker 4: a nice half field read against zone coverage that I

711
00:36:53,858 --> 00:36:56,817
Speaker 4: thought was actually the first time schematically that I.

712
00:36:56,738 --> 00:36:59,337
Speaker 2: Was like, Oh, that's cool, that's neat, Like, good job

713
00:36:59,378 --> 00:37:01,778
Speaker 2: with that. Uh, that was nice. Uh.

714
00:37:01,978 --> 00:37:04,138
Speaker 4: There's just a lot of really good things to come

715
00:37:04,178 --> 00:37:07,337
Speaker 4: from him. Is there anything else that we got you're

716
00:37:07,378 --> 00:37:07,978
Speaker 4: thinking of with.

717
00:37:07,978 --> 00:37:10,898
Speaker 2: The kind of minor So there's a play in the

718
00:37:10,938 --> 00:37:14,098
Speaker 2: third quarter where they're trying to set up a screen

719
00:37:14,938 --> 00:37:20,018
Speaker 2: to Jamichael Hasty yep, and May rolls to the right, sorry,

720
00:37:20,098 --> 00:37:23,297
Speaker 2: rolls to the left, So he's off. He's he's throwing

721
00:37:23,338 --> 00:37:26,777
Speaker 2: across his body and it's just the play's not there

722
00:37:27,178 --> 00:37:30,458
Speaker 2: and he maybe has a very tight window to Hunter Henry.

723
00:37:30,538 --> 00:37:33,938
Speaker 2: It's for minimal gain, but it's maybe there, and instead

724
00:37:33,978 --> 00:37:36,178
Speaker 2: he just spikes the ball at Hasty's feet. Yeah, And

725
00:37:36,218 --> 00:37:38,698
Speaker 2: I just thought that was a really mature play. A

726
00:37:38,698 --> 00:37:40,898
Speaker 2: lot of young quarterbacks going to force it into the

727
00:37:40,898 --> 00:37:43,058
Speaker 2: tight end, the three yards would not have made a

728
00:37:43,058 --> 00:37:45,498
Speaker 2: difference in that situation. He didn't get stuck on the

729
00:37:45,538 --> 00:37:46,817
Speaker 2: street screen too long.

730
00:37:47,138 --> 00:37:47,578
Speaker 3: He didn't.

731
00:37:47,618 --> 00:37:48,778
Speaker 2: I know. We talked about him as a guy that

732
00:37:48,818 --> 00:37:50,378
Speaker 2: can make something out of nothing, but I think for

733
00:37:50,418 --> 00:37:53,098
Speaker 2: those guys, it's also important to know when that's realistic

734
00:37:53,098 --> 00:37:55,298
Speaker 2: and when it's not. Could he have maybe zipped it

735
00:37:55,298 --> 00:37:57,698
Speaker 2: in a Hunter Henry possibly the defenders Right there, he's

736
00:37:57,698 --> 00:37:59,498
Speaker 2: getting get tackled for like a two yard gain on

737
00:38:00,178 --> 00:38:03,738
Speaker 2: second and ten lift to see another down. And that's

738
00:38:03,738 --> 00:38:05,898
Speaker 2: something I worried about with him. That's maybe my biggest

739
00:38:05,898 --> 00:38:08,138
Speaker 2: worry with him. Yeah, coming in was was he going

740
00:38:08,218 --> 00:38:10,818
Speaker 2: to know when to live to see another down? And

741
00:38:10,858 --> 00:38:12,338
Speaker 2: I thought that was a really good example if he

742
00:38:12,378 --> 00:38:14,818
Speaker 2: had a chance to take a risk, but it was

743
00:38:14,818 --> 00:38:17,138
Speaker 2: a risk with really minimal upside. Instead, he just ate

744
00:38:17,178 --> 00:38:18,978
Speaker 2: it and said, you know what, put the ball on

745
00:38:18,978 --> 00:38:20,938
Speaker 2: the ground. Let's get this to the next play. Yeah.

746
00:38:20,938 --> 00:38:23,418
Speaker 4: There are some certain people that were very happy about

747
00:38:23,418 --> 00:38:25,378
Speaker 4: that play. Okay, yeah, I think you understand.

748
00:38:25,498 --> 00:38:27,698
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And again, like people might look at

749
00:38:27,698 --> 00:38:29,098
Speaker 2: that and be like, he's throwing down the field the

750
00:38:29,178 --> 00:38:29,898
Speaker 2: King shun booty.

751
00:38:29,938 --> 00:38:31,538
Speaker 3: You're talking about a blown screen.

752
00:38:31,698 --> 00:38:34,858
Speaker 2: Yeah, when we're projecting forward, you always compare him to

753
00:38:34,938 --> 00:38:37,978
Speaker 2: Josh Allen. What drives me up the wall about Josh Allen.

754
00:38:38,138 --> 00:38:40,338
Speaker 2: Josh Allen throws that ball to the tight end and

755
00:38:40,378 --> 00:38:42,658
Speaker 2: maybe it's an unbelievable throw that fits in the window,

756
00:38:43,218 --> 00:38:45,498
Speaker 2: maybe gets picked. And in that point in the game,

757
00:38:45,978 --> 00:38:47,817
Speaker 2: especially coming after a game where he turned the ball

758
00:38:47,858 --> 00:38:50,898
Speaker 2: over three times like a turnover, there is a massive no, no,

759
00:38:51,178 --> 00:38:53,138
Speaker 2: it's not worth it. Two to three yards are gonna

760
00:38:53,178 --> 00:38:55,698
Speaker 2: get So to see him do that you talked before about,

761
00:38:55,898 --> 00:38:57,978
Speaker 2: you know, being beyond his years a little bit and

762
00:38:58,298 --> 00:38:59,578
Speaker 2: making some more veteran.

763
00:38:59,298 --> 00:39:01,618
Speaker 3: Decisions that one's gonna get lost in.

764
00:39:01,578 --> 00:39:05,098
Speaker 2: The box score history is an incomplete pass. But that's

765
00:39:05,098 --> 00:39:07,218
Speaker 2: something where I look at and I'm like, he's learning.

766
00:39:08,018 --> 00:39:10,298
Speaker 2: He like, turn the ball over last week a bunch.

767
00:39:10,818 --> 00:39:12,578
Speaker 2: He's being smart with the football and I think they

768
00:39:12,658 --> 00:39:14,178
Speaker 2: ended up going three and out. So, you know, some

769
00:39:14,178 --> 00:39:15,817
Speaker 2: people may roll their eyes at this and say I'm

770
00:39:15,818 --> 00:39:18,618
Speaker 2: being too complimentary. That's something that you build on and

771
00:39:18,658 --> 00:39:20,498
Speaker 2: you go in the film room and say like that's good.

772
00:39:20,578 --> 00:39:22,578
Speaker 2: And if I'm a coach, right from Alex Vanpel, I

773
00:39:22,618 --> 00:39:24,378
Speaker 2: see that and it's like, all right, I can trust

774
00:39:24,378 --> 00:39:26,378
Speaker 2: the kid more because he's not gonna go out there

775
00:39:26,418 --> 00:39:28,578
Speaker 2: and trip all over himself. So that was a play

776
00:39:28,618 --> 00:39:30,058
Speaker 2: that really stood out to me.

777
00:39:30,458 --> 00:39:34,018
Speaker 4: There's another one, another check down that he threw, where

778
00:39:34,578 --> 00:39:37,378
Speaker 4: on when Who gets beat to the inside quickly and

779
00:39:37,418 --> 00:39:41,298
Speaker 4: he had his eyes downfield initially, he feels the pressure

780
00:39:41,658 --> 00:39:43,778
Speaker 4: and he's able to just kind of keep the play

781
00:39:43,778 --> 00:39:46,018
Speaker 4: on schedule and just kind of move over to his

782
00:39:46,138 --> 00:39:48,777
Speaker 4: right a little bit. And we always talk about like

783
00:39:49,138 --> 00:39:51,938
Speaker 4: don't take five steps when two steps will do. This

784
00:39:52,058 --> 00:39:54,578
Speaker 4: was a perfect example of doing that the right way.

785
00:39:55,018 --> 00:39:57,578
Speaker 4: And it was like a little tear screen to the

786
00:39:57,658 --> 00:40:00,297
Speaker 4: right where like the tight end kind of works as

787
00:40:00,338 --> 00:40:03,698
Speaker 4: a blocker to the to the to the back and

788
00:40:03,738 --> 00:40:05,938
Speaker 4: the flat, and then on the on the other side,

789
00:40:06,058 --> 00:40:08,418
Speaker 4: it's kind of like an iso like slant or something

790
00:40:08,458 --> 00:40:10,218
Speaker 4: like that that you can throw that if you like that,

791
00:40:11,138 --> 00:40:14,018
Speaker 4: you know access to that slant. And he feels the

792
00:40:14,058 --> 00:40:16,178
Speaker 4: pressure off the right side on when Who gets kind

793
00:40:16,178 --> 00:40:18,858
Speaker 4: of beat to the inside, and he just very calmly

794
00:40:19,018 --> 00:40:21,458
Speaker 4: just walks around the pressure dumps it off. I think

795
00:40:21,498 --> 00:40:24,058
Speaker 4: it was the hasty or Stevenson in the flat. They

796
00:40:24,098 --> 00:40:26,418
Speaker 4: gained some positive yards and we're still on the on

797
00:40:26,458 --> 00:40:28,777
Speaker 4: the script here, you know, and those types of things

798
00:40:28,778 --> 00:40:32,218
Speaker 4: he did consistently much better. You know, took four sacks

799
00:40:32,258 --> 00:40:35,298
Speaker 4: in the opener or in his opener in his first start.

800
00:40:35,538 --> 00:40:37,738
Speaker 4: This time, I thought he did a much better job

801
00:40:37,898 --> 00:40:39,218
Speaker 4: of avoiding those times.

802
00:40:39,298 --> 00:40:41,498
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's one play he ran into coverage

803
00:40:41,538 --> 00:40:43,898
Speaker 2: that was it. And I get like to kind of

804
00:40:43,938 --> 00:40:45,898
Speaker 2: clarify this because I think some people might be confused.

805
00:40:45,898 --> 00:40:48,898
Speaker 2: We're talking about incomplete broken screen to check down. If

806
00:40:48,938 --> 00:40:51,298
Speaker 2: we're still drooling over this stuff in four or five years,

807
00:40:51,378 --> 00:40:55,817
Speaker 2: absolutely call in calls bosos, like this is that thing

808
00:40:55,858 --> 00:40:57,858
Speaker 2: we've talked about where this year is a lot about

809
00:40:58,258 --> 00:41:01,058
Speaker 2: how are you projecting Drake may forward. It's just another

810
00:41:01,138 --> 00:41:03,058
Speaker 2: box that he checked it, Like, all right, he knows

811
00:41:03,058 --> 00:41:05,058
Speaker 2: what's doing that situation. Good, Yeah, moving on.

812
00:41:05,178 --> 00:41:07,858
Speaker 3: But we hadn't necessarily seen him in these situations.

813
00:41:07,458 --> 00:41:09,738
Speaker 2: Sly, not on in the regular season in the NFL,

814
00:41:09,818 --> 00:41:11,658
Speaker 2: So it just feels worth pointing out, like, all right,

815
00:41:12,098 --> 00:41:14,738
Speaker 2: this thing is he's cleared this this box on the

816
00:41:14,778 --> 00:41:17,498
Speaker 2: on the checklist onto the next one. Yep, yep, absolutely

817
00:41:17,578 --> 00:41:17,938
Speaker 2: all right.

818
00:41:17,938 --> 00:41:19,978
Speaker 4: Now there's one defensive thing I want to talk about,

819
00:41:20,018 --> 00:41:21,618
Speaker 4: and then we can do three up, three down, and

820
00:41:21,618 --> 00:41:23,777
Speaker 4: then we're gonna take the phone calls and emails because

821
00:41:23,778 --> 00:41:26,698
Speaker 4: there are plenty of those coming in, so we always

822
00:41:26,738 --> 00:41:29,698
Speaker 4: appreciate that. But one thing I just want to get

823
00:41:29,738 --> 00:41:34,458
Speaker 4: off my my chest defensively watching this game back, it

824
00:41:34,538 --> 00:41:38,658
Speaker 4: felt like calling out anything else besides just you know,

825
00:41:38,778 --> 00:41:42,538
Speaker 4: run defense is effort and want to and my guy

826
00:41:42,618 --> 00:41:46,578
Speaker 4: against your guy and physicality and mindset and all that

827
00:41:46,698 --> 00:41:49,817
Speaker 4: kind of stuff like It's it's very seldom that run

828
00:41:49,898 --> 00:41:54,298
Speaker 4: defense is like a big schematic thing, like you know,

829
00:41:54,458 --> 00:41:58,898
Speaker 4: oh they're they're doing something so egregiously wrong schematically or

830
00:41:58,978 --> 00:42:01,897
Speaker 4: right schematically to stop the run. It's usually just push,

831
00:42:02,658 --> 00:42:03,777
Speaker 4: push me back right.

832
00:42:04,298 --> 00:42:04,418
Speaker 6: Uh.

833
00:42:04,578 --> 00:42:06,658
Speaker 4: The one thing I would just say with the defense

834
00:42:06,778 --> 00:42:09,778
Speaker 4: that I actually asked de Marcus Cummington about this today

835
00:42:10,618 --> 00:42:15,898
Speaker 4: was their personnel usage, and he mentioned that they're seeing

836
00:42:15,898 --> 00:42:19,058
Speaker 4: a lot of heavy personnel from teams, you know, twelve personnel,

837
00:42:19,138 --> 00:42:22,218
Speaker 4: twenty one personnel, you know too tight end full back

838
00:42:22,258 --> 00:42:25,098
Speaker 4: if you have a full back on your roster. Teams

839
00:42:25,138 --> 00:42:27,938
Speaker 4: are putting heavy personnel on the field against the Patriots

840
00:42:28,258 --> 00:42:31,578
Speaker 4: hoping that the Patriots are gonna match them in heavy personnel.

841
00:42:31,818 --> 00:42:37,138
Speaker 4: So the Patriots this year are playing base defense almost

842
00:42:37,178 --> 00:42:40,338
Speaker 4: forty two percent of the time. That's a twenty percent

843
00:42:40,458 --> 00:42:43,818
Speaker 4: increase from last year. So basically what teams are doing

844
00:42:44,258 --> 00:42:46,698
Speaker 4: is they're putting their heavy personnel pack edge on it.

845
00:42:46,778 --> 00:42:48,738
Speaker 4: Let's just call it twelve, you know, two tight end,

846
00:42:48,738 --> 00:42:53,058
Speaker 4: two receiver, one back, and they're telling the Patriots, put

847
00:42:53,058 --> 00:42:56,378
Speaker 4: base personnel on your side of the field, because what

848
00:42:56,418 --> 00:42:59,218
Speaker 4: we're gonna do is we're gonna throw against your base

849
00:42:59,298 --> 00:43:03,698
Speaker 4: defense because we know that your linebackers in particular, are

850
00:43:03,738 --> 00:43:07,058
Speaker 4: not great in coverage. So we're gonna get base personnel

851
00:43:07,098 --> 00:43:09,897
Speaker 4: on the field on both sides. We're gonna spread you out,

852
00:43:09,938 --> 00:43:12,578
Speaker 4: we're gonna throw the ball down the field. And my

853
00:43:12,738 --> 00:43:18,538
Speaker 4: criticism of Covington is that he is allowing that to happen,

854
00:43:18,858 --> 00:43:22,338
Speaker 4: like he is giving these other teams exactly what they want.

855
00:43:22,658 --> 00:43:25,618
Speaker 4: So the Patriots are playing the fourth highest rate of

856
00:43:25,698 --> 00:43:28,538
Speaker 4: base personnel in the league right now, and they're giving

857
00:43:28,618 --> 00:43:32,218
Speaker 4: up the third most yards in personnel. So it's not

858
00:43:32,298 --> 00:43:35,138
Speaker 4: working right like they're they're kind of conceding into it,

859
00:43:35,178 --> 00:43:38,218
Speaker 4: and it's not working. On Sunday, they give up the

860
00:43:38,218 --> 00:43:42,538
Speaker 4: sixty yard bomb to Brian Thomas Junior, twelve personnel against

861
00:43:42,618 --> 00:43:46,458
Speaker 4: Patriots base defense bombs away right like that. That's the

862
00:43:46,498 --> 00:43:49,938
Speaker 4: script right now against the Patriots. So if you're comington,

863
00:43:50,338 --> 00:43:53,418
Speaker 4: you have a choice to make. You gotta go lighter

864
00:43:53,658 --> 00:43:56,297
Speaker 4: and okay, we might get run on like a little

865
00:43:56,338 --> 00:43:59,258
Speaker 4: bit today, or you gotta go heavy, but you have

866
00:43:59,298 --> 00:44:00,817
Speaker 4: to go heavy and stop the run.

867
00:44:01,178 --> 00:44:03,858
Speaker 2: Like right now, they're going heavy and they're not doing anything.

868
00:44:03,898 --> 00:44:05,178
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm gonna say. That's what it all

869
00:44:05,218 --> 00:44:05,698
Speaker 3: comes down to.

870
00:44:05,698 --> 00:44:05,817
Speaker 7: You.

871
00:44:05,698 --> 00:44:07,818
Speaker 2: You kind of have to keep the base person on

872
00:44:07,818 --> 00:44:09,658
Speaker 2: the field. They're not they're not stopping the run on

873
00:44:09,738 --> 00:44:11,898
Speaker 2: Nickel right now. There's no shot, right, They're not stopping

874
00:44:11,898 --> 00:44:14,578
Speaker 2: the run out of anything. Well, right, So that's the problem.

875
00:44:14,618 --> 00:44:17,618
Speaker 4: Like, if you're gonna play bass, then okay, but you

876
00:44:17,698 --> 00:44:20,297
Speaker 4: have to stop the run. If you're gonna play bass, like,

877
00:44:20,338 --> 00:44:22,058
Speaker 4: you can't play bass and then not be able to

878
00:44:22,098 --> 00:44:24,538
Speaker 4: stop anything, right, Like, there's gotta be a gin in

879
00:44:24,578 --> 00:44:28,777
Speaker 4: the yang there. That's the problem that they're facing right now,

880
00:44:28,778 --> 00:44:31,218
Speaker 4: because if you can stop and make one the team's

881
00:44:31,258 --> 00:44:33,658
Speaker 4: one dimensional and all that and the other thing, well,

882
00:44:33,698 --> 00:44:36,658
Speaker 4: then now on third down, you can get Nickel onto

883
00:44:36,698 --> 00:44:39,098
Speaker 4: the field and you can get your extra coverage defenders

884
00:44:39,098 --> 00:44:40,898
Speaker 4: out there and you can be more athletic and be

885
00:44:40,978 --> 00:44:44,578
Speaker 4: more dynamic in the back end. So it feels to

886
00:44:44,618 --> 00:44:49,418
Speaker 4: me defensively, it could be a horse's issue, Like it

887
00:44:49,458 --> 00:44:51,338
Speaker 4: could just be if you want to chalk it up

888
00:44:51,378 --> 00:44:53,458
Speaker 4: that they just don't have the horses or they don't

889
00:44:53,458 --> 00:44:56,618
Speaker 4: have the personnel, then I hear that a little bit.

890
00:44:57,218 --> 00:44:59,738
Speaker 4: But I look at them defensively, and I feel like

891
00:44:59,858 --> 00:45:03,658
Speaker 4: every single week schematically they continue to be on their heels,

892
00:45:03,778 --> 00:45:06,377
Speaker 4: Like I feel like every time they drop some sort

893
00:45:06,378 --> 00:45:09,458
Speaker 4: of an exotic, whether it's a pressure or a coverage

894
00:45:09,538 --> 00:45:13,858
Speaker 4: rotation or whatever the case may be, they get got

895
00:45:14,298 --> 00:45:16,538
Speaker 4: all the time in those types of looks, you know,

896
00:45:16,578 --> 00:45:20,338
Speaker 4: the sixty yard or to Thomas Junior their base and

897
00:45:20,618 --> 00:45:23,098
Speaker 4: they try to run some sort of like cover three

898
00:45:23,218 --> 00:45:26,498
Speaker 4: rotation on the back end where Mapu and Dugger exchange

899
00:45:26,818 --> 00:45:29,418
Speaker 4: and there's no post, right, there's no deep safety in

900
00:45:29,418 --> 00:45:32,618
Speaker 4: the middle of the field, and Christian Gonzales gets beat

901
00:45:32,658 --> 00:45:35,338
Speaker 4: on the deep post by Brian Thomas Junior looking for

902
00:45:35,418 --> 00:45:37,778
Speaker 4: inside help. There is no inside help to be had,

903
00:45:38,178 --> 00:45:40,218
Speaker 4: Like those are the types of things that they're trying

904
00:45:40,218 --> 00:45:44,018
Speaker 4: to do to disguise and confuse and all that kind

905
00:45:44,098 --> 00:45:47,338
Speaker 4: of stuff. And it's just every button that Covington is

906
00:45:47,338 --> 00:45:50,058
Speaker 4: pushing right now is the wrong button. And that's what

907
00:45:50,138 --> 00:45:52,258
Speaker 4: happens when you're a one and six football team. I

908
00:45:52,298 --> 00:45:55,938
Speaker 4: suppose it just all starts up front. I think if

909
00:45:55,978 --> 00:45:58,098
Speaker 4: they can figure that out, you'll see some progress. But

910
00:45:59,218 --> 00:46:01,857
Speaker 4: if not, every play, almost every play in that game,

911
00:46:02,018 --> 00:46:04,018
Speaker 4: like they're just getting blown off the line of scrimmage.

912
00:46:04,058 --> 00:46:05,337
Speaker 3: And it is true on both sides of the ball,

913
00:46:05,378 --> 00:46:07,618
Speaker 3: by the way, But there was.

914
00:46:07,578 --> 00:46:09,498
Speaker 2: A it was late in the third quarter, early in

915
00:46:09,498 --> 00:46:13,297
Speaker 2: the fourth quarters on that long drive that the Jags had, which,

916
00:46:13,338 --> 00:46:16,178
Speaker 2: by the way, that's seventeen play drive in terms of

917
00:46:16,258 --> 00:46:18,458
Speaker 2: time of possession. That's the longest drive in the NFL

918
00:46:18,458 --> 00:46:19,418
Speaker 2: since twenty twenty two.

919
00:46:19,618 --> 00:46:21,258
Speaker 3: Wow, eleven twenty four off the clock.

920
00:46:21,738 --> 00:46:23,898
Speaker 2: And they have a fourth and one in the Jags

921
00:46:23,938 --> 00:46:26,618
Speaker 2: line up for quarterback sneak, you know, like usually quarterback

922
00:46:26,658 --> 00:46:28,538
Speaker 2: sneak right, quarterback is gonna put a shoulder down and

923
00:46:28,578 --> 00:46:32,258
Speaker 2: get ready to lean into it. Trevor Lawrence could have

924
00:46:32,298 --> 00:46:34,978
Speaker 2: held the ball out in front of himself like that.

925
00:46:36,058 --> 00:46:38,618
Speaker 2: There were too many plays where all right, So the

926
00:46:38,698 --> 00:46:41,698
Speaker 2: Jags are at the plus forty, at their plus forty,

927
00:46:41,818 --> 00:46:43,777
Speaker 2: that play is being played from like the thirty eight

928
00:46:43,858 --> 00:46:47,218
Speaker 2: yard line because of just the initial burst from the

929
00:46:47,258 --> 00:46:49,578
Speaker 2: offensive line. And again it was the same on both

930
00:46:49,578 --> 00:46:52,138
Speaker 2: sides of the ball, Like Patricks at the plus forty,

931
00:46:52,218 --> 00:46:54,258
Speaker 2: they're trying to run the ball, it's being played like

932
00:46:54,298 --> 00:46:57,777
Speaker 2: it's from the forty two. I think they had They

933
00:46:57,778 --> 00:47:02,178
Speaker 2: were averaging point three three yards before contact on the

934
00:47:02,178 --> 00:47:04,178
Speaker 2: ground in this game, yea, So like they weren't getting

935
00:47:04,178 --> 00:47:06,018
Speaker 2: out of the backfield before a defender was there. They

936
00:47:06,058 --> 00:47:11,297
Speaker 2: just weren't. And you can't. You can't play that way.

937
00:47:11,338 --> 00:47:13,378
Speaker 2: Like you're not gonna play that way and be successful.

938
00:47:13,738 --> 00:47:15,458
Speaker 2: Every football game is one of the loss at the

939
00:47:15,458 --> 00:47:17,938
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. You're not gonna find teams that win

940
00:47:18,058 --> 00:47:20,858
Speaker 2: regularly that aren't at least decent upfront. And in a

941
00:47:20,898 --> 00:47:22,818
Speaker 2: game like that, again, they're just getting blown off the

942
00:47:22,818 --> 00:47:25,738
Speaker 2: line on both sides. And you talk about the coverage issues, like, yeah,

943
00:47:25,778 --> 00:47:28,698
Speaker 2: they maybe being too complicated back there. I thought Gonzalez

944
00:47:28,778 --> 00:47:31,818
Speaker 2: was still pretty much right on Brian's a hell of

945
00:47:31,818 --> 00:47:33,498
Speaker 2: a thrownhouse actually, So that's.

946
00:47:33,338 --> 00:47:35,698
Speaker 4: Like that's why though, like you know, he's so there,

947
00:47:35,778 --> 00:47:38,058
Speaker 4: he's playing like a Cover three tech right, Both corners

948
00:47:38,098 --> 00:47:40,818
Speaker 4: are so I'm assuming that it's a cover three and

949
00:47:41,058 --> 00:47:44,418
Speaker 4: Mapu and Dougger, you know, kind of switch responsibilities where

950
00:47:44,498 --> 00:47:47,498
Speaker 4: Dugger starts up top then comes down into the short

951
00:47:47,618 --> 00:47:50,618
Speaker 4: zone distribution as like the hook, and then map who

952
00:47:50,738 --> 00:47:52,938
Speaker 4: goes back into the post into the middle of the field,

953
00:47:53,178 --> 00:47:56,178
Speaker 4: and Mapu opens to Jonathan Jones's side and tries to

954
00:47:56,218 --> 00:47:58,898
Speaker 4: take the incut and it just leaves Gonzales one on

955
00:47:58,898 --> 00:48:01,178
Speaker 4: one on the post when he has that leverage and

956
00:48:01,218 --> 00:48:04,258
Speaker 4: he's playing outside leverage with his hips open inside to

957
00:48:04,338 --> 00:48:08,418
Speaker 4: the quarterback, Like it's impossible for him to cover that fight, right.

958
00:48:08,178 --> 00:48:10,138
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying, Like, but like he's right

959
00:48:10,178 --> 00:48:13,258
Speaker 2: there and and he's been good and outside of a

960
00:48:13,298 --> 00:48:15,058
Speaker 2: couple of coverage busts, like I don't feel like they're

961
00:48:15,058 --> 00:48:16,978
Speaker 2: getting physically beat a ton no.

962
00:48:17,058 --> 00:48:19,458
Speaker 4: The only time where I feel like, sorry to cut

963
00:48:19,498 --> 00:48:21,178
Speaker 4: you off. The only time that I feel like their

964
00:48:21,258 --> 00:48:22,658
Speaker 4: coverage is poor.

965
00:48:23,298 --> 00:48:28,738
Speaker 2: Uh. Whether it's Baltimore inspired or it's Brian Flores inspired,

966
00:48:29,058 --> 00:48:31,058
Speaker 2: whoever you want to give the credit, you can give

967
00:48:31,058 --> 00:48:31,218
Speaker 2: it to.

968
00:48:31,818 --> 00:48:31,938
Speaker 3: Uh.

969
00:48:31,978 --> 00:48:34,818
Speaker 4: But they're running a lot of those like creeper zone

970
00:48:34,858 --> 00:48:38,058
Speaker 4: pressures where they're only in a six man zone and

971
00:48:38,058 --> 00:48:40,817
Speaker 4: Flores like started really doing this with five with cover

972
00:48:40,978 --> 00:48:43,458
Speaker 4: zero and stuff like that, and he was sort of

973
00:48:43,498 --> 00:48:46,218
Speaker 4: the first guy in the NFL level at least to

974
00:48:46,338 --> 00:48:48,218
Speaker 4: run a lot of that kind of stuff with zone

975
00:48:48,258 --> 00:48:51,538
Speaker 4: coverage behind it instead of man to man. And so

976
00:48:52,138 --> 00:48:55,538
Speaker 4: they're running like for example, they had that in cut

977
00:48:55,618 --> 00:48:58,258
Speaker 4: you know, angle Texas raut to Deernis Johnson that went

978
00:48:58,298 --> 00:49:01,858
Speaker 4: for like twenty six yards. Is in coverage misses the tackle.

979
00:49:02,178 --> 00:49:05,738
Speaker 4: That's one of those uh you know, schemed up pressures

980
00:49:06,138 --> 00:49:10,578
Speaker 4: where they're blitzing off the ball linebacker and then Ouch

981
00:49:10,818 --> 00:49:13,498
Speaker 4: is replacing the off the ball linebacker in the coverage

982
00:49:13,898 --> 00:49:17,298
Speaker 4: and it's just a whole thing just opens like the rede.

983
00:49:17,418 --> 00:49:19,498
Speaker 2: When I say like the I'm talking about like I

984
00:49:19,498 --> 00:49:21,978
Speaker 2: think Christian Zoalz has played well, I think I think

985
00:49:22,018 --> 00:49:24,098
Speaker 2: all I think the Joneses have played.

986
00:49:24,218 --> 00:49:24,378
Speaker 7: Yeah.

987
00:49:24,538 --> 00:49:28,938
Speaker 2: So, but when you're not generating any sort of pass rush, yeah,

988
00:49:28,978 --> 00:49:31,218
Speaker 2: and so now you have to blitz or two creative

989
00:49:31,218 --> 00:49:32,898
Speaker 2: things in the secondary to try to get a leg

990
00:49:32,978 --> 00:49:35,378
Speaker 2: up on defense. Now it's too much to me. It

991
00:49:35,458 --> 00:49:37,818
Speaker 2: all goes back to again, just winning up front. I

992
00:49:37,858 --> 00:49:41,058
Speaker 2: talked about the run and I had that number zero

993
00:49:41,098 --> 00:49:43,538
Speaker 2: point three to three yards before contact with the Patriots

994
00:49:43,538 --> 00:49:46,138
Speaker 2: in the ground game. The Jaguars average two point two

995
00:49:46,178 --> 00:49:48,418
Speaker 2: yards before contact in the ground games your talk, I

996
00:49:48,418 --> 00:49:50,738
Speaker 2: mean night and day. Yeah, then you get into the

997
00:49:50,738 --> 00:49:54,818
Speaker 2: pass rush. They only had two pressures in this game,

998
00:49:55,058 --> 00:49:57,258
Speaker 2: according to PFF, and one of them was like purely

999
00:49:57,298 --> 00:49:59,978
Speaker 2: schemed up Marcus Jones coming from the second level and

1000
00:50:00,018 --> 00:50:01,538
Speaker 2: he takes a bad angle and he misses the playing

1001
00:50:01,578 --> 00:50:04,297
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence scrambles for a first down on third and eight.

1002
00:50:04,378 --> 00:50:07,858
Speaker 2: Like they can't do anything at the line of scrimmage

1003
00:50:07,898 --> 00:50:11,698
Speaker 2: right now, and it's just I I don't want to say,

1004
00:50:11,698 --> 00:50:13,818
Speaker 2: like it lets the secondary players off the hook, but

1005
00:50:14,898 --> 00:50:17,698
Speaker 2: they're getting no help. There's no complimentary football right now

1006
00:50:17,698 --> 00:50:19,858
Speaker 2: on either side because they can't win the line of scrimmage.

1007
00:50:19,978 --> 00:50:24,898
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's disheartening to see how just bad they're

1008
00:50:24,978 --> 00:50:28,258
Speaker 4: like schemed up pressures have been, whether it's your example,

1009
00:50:28,338 --> 00:50:31,818
Speaker 4: is a good one of like Marcus Jones and technically

1010
00:50:31,858 --> 00:50:35,458
Speaker 4: that goes down as a hurry like in like PFF pressure,

1011
00:50:35,858 --> 00:50:38,978
Speaker 4: but it is a pressure. You know, it's a pressure,

1012
00:50:39,218 --> 00:50:42,018
Speaker 4: but it's not good pressure, right Like it's it's it's

1013
00:50:42,058 --> 00:50:46,298
Speaker 4: the bad kind of pressure, which does exist, and every

1014
00:50:46,338 --> 00:50:48,658
Speaker 4: time they dial it up, it feels like it's either

1015
00:50:48,698 --> 00:50:51,978
Speaker 4: that or it's getting snuffed out by the offense and

1016
00:50:52,018 --> 00:50:55,138
Speaker 4: it's blocked and there's no free runners that are actually

1017
00:50:55,178 --> 00:50:58,138
Speaker 4: applying the good kind of pressure on the quarterback. I

1018
00:50:58,178 --> 00:51:00,018
Speaker 4: agree with you, like I look at both sides of

1019
00:51:00,058 --> 00:51:02,258
Speaker 4: the ball. You know, there are things I could I

1020
00:51:02,258 --> 00:51:04,377
Speaker 4: could nitpick with Alex van Pelt as well. I thought,

1021
00:51:04,378 --> 00:51:06,458
Speaker 4: actually in this game it was probably one of his

1022
00:51:06,498 --> 00:51:10,218
Speaker 4: best game plans. That's why you'd score on your first

1023
00:51:10,218 --> 00:51:12,018
Speaker 4: two drives of the game is usually when you have.

1024
00:51:11,938 --> 00:51:14,218
Speaker 2: A good script. I thought that he had a good

1025
00:51:14,218 --> 00:51:16,658
Speaker 2: script in this game. I think the one critique and

1026
00:51:16,898 --> 00:51:20,578
Speaker 2: this is just it really is driving me up a

1027
00:51:20,618 --> 00:51:25,858
Speaker 2: wall trying to figure out why this is. They they

1028
00:51:25,898 --> 00:51:30,458
Speaker 2: stink on play action passes. It's they are not good

1029
00:51:30,578 --> 00:51:34,018
Speaker 2: at it and jogging off offensively because they.

1030
00:51:33,938 --> 00:51:35,058
Speaker 3: Don't do it a lot.

1031
00:51:35,898 --> 00:51:39,258
Speaker 4: It could be but when you look at how teams

1032
00:51:39,298 --> 00:51:43,618
Speaker 4: are playing them run wise, and like every single team

1033
00:51:43,738 --> 00:51:46,538
Speaker 4: is just their linebackers are just flying downhill at the

1034
00:51:46,538 --> 00:51:49,338
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage against the run game like all all

1035
00:51:49,858 --> 00:51:55,058
Speaker 4: game long on Sunday, outside zone backside linebacker for the

1036
00:51:55,178 --> 00:51:58,418
Speaker 4: Jaguars is just coming, like he's just coming. And the

1037
00:51:58,458 --> 00:52:01,817
Speaker 4: fact that they can't like play action or boot or

1038
00:52:01,858 --> 00:52:04,298
Speaker 4: something off of that and like hit a tight end

1039
00:52:04,378 --> 00:52:08,058
Speaker 4: coming across the field and take advantage of those players

1040
00:52:08,058 --> 00:52:09,058
Speaker 4: being so aggressive.

1041
00:52:09,418 --> 00:52:09,818
Speaker 2: It's just.

1042
00:52:11,898 --> 00:52:14,498
Speaker 4: It blows my mind that they can't take advantage of

1043
00:52:14,498 --> 00:52:17,258
Speaker 4: those openings, right, Like, if teams are gonna be so

1044
00:52:17,378 --> 00:52:20,498
Speaker 4: aggressive against your run game, then you should be feasting

1045
00:52:20,698 --> 00:52:23,458
Speaker 4: on play action passes off of that. I don't think

1046
00:52:23,458 --> 00:52:26,138
Speaker 4: their designs are very good. I don't think they're spacing

1047
00:52:26,218 --> 00:52:27,858
Speaker 4: is very good, even though I asked him about that

1048
00:52:27,898 --> 00:52:30,338
Speaker 4: today and he kind of told me I was wrong.

1049
00:52:30,658 --> 00:52:33,297
Speaker 2: I don't really agree. Especially early on in this game.

1050
00:52:33,338 --> 00:52:35,658
Speaker 4: I thought there were two examples I posted on Twitter

1051
00:52:36,378 --> 00:52:39,458
Speaker 4: that were just not good route spacing at all on

1052
00:52:39,498 --> 00:52:42,698
Speaker 4: either one of those play action plays. It just feels

1053
00:52:42,738 --> 00:52:48,618
Speaker 4: as though they are pairing like outside zone bootleg routes

1054
00:52:48,698 --> 00:52:51,898
Speaker 4: with gap scheme play action, Like it just doesn't marry

1055
00:52:52,658 --> 00:52:56,098
Speaker 4: very well. I just don't really love what they're doing. Like,

1056
00:52:56,138 --> 00:52:59,297
Speaker 4: if you're gonna have these linebackers come downhill at your

1057
00:52:59,418 --> 00:53:01,938
Speaker 4: offensive line like that, you know, back in the day

1058
00:53:02,018 --> 00:53:05,418
Speaker 4: with McDaniels and O'Brien, like they would just run gronk

1059
00:53:05,498 --> 00:53:08,778
Speaker 4: like right behind the linebacker, right like the linebacker bites.

1060
00:53:09,138 --> 00:53:11,898
Speaker 4: They run some sort of run action, you know, power

1061
00:53:11,978 --> 00:53:16,337
Speaker 4: trap whatever, get that linebacker to bite gronk right behind him,

1062
00:53:16,738 --> 00:53:19,777
Speaker 4: right by his ear, you know, and we're moving like

1063
00:53:19,898 --> 00:53:23,298
Speaker 4: those types of what they would call like bang play actions.

1064
00:53:23,618 --> 00:53:27,058
Speaker 4: Like this team is desperately begging offensively for some bang

1065
00:53:27,138 --> 00:53:29,658
Speaker 4: play action plays like just hit it right at the

1066
00:53:29,698 --> 00:53:32,817
Speaker 4: second level the defense, don't try to go bombs away

1067
00:53:32,898 --> 00:53:36,458
Speaker 4: on like the post crossers and things like that. It's

1068
00:53:36,778 --> 00:53:38,858
Speaker 4: that part of it is frustrating to me. But I

1069
00:53:38,898 --> 00:53:42,018
Speaker 4: actually think that they schemed it up pretty well in

1070
00:53:42,058 --> 00:53:44,738
Speaker 4: the passing game this week against an inferior opponent. I

1071
00:53:44,738 --> 00:53:48,538
Speaker 4: should mention on defense, but it was better. It was better.

1072
00:53:48,538 --> 00:53:51,138
Speaker 4: All right, let's do three up, three down. I'll start

1073
00:53:51,138 --> 00:53:52,738
Speaker 4: with you because you actually prepared this week.

1074
00:53:52,778 --> 00:53:53,578
Speaker 3: I always prepare.

1075
00:53:53,658 --> 00:53:57,658
Speaker 2: You prepared this week. Okay, what do you got? I mean,

1076
00:53:57,698 --> 00:54:00,178
Speaker 2: we just covered a lot of those up for me.

1077
00:54:00,258 --> 00:54:05,058
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry just continues to be a good safety blanket. Yeah,

1078
00:54:05,098 --> 00:54:07,258
Speaker 2: and that's you know, you need that for young quarterback.

1079
00:54:07,778 --> 00:54:09,298
Speaker 2: You talked about his catch earlier. I thought it was

1080
00:54:09,298 --> 00:54:11,578
Speaker 2: an excellent catch, like you said, good throw to but

1081
00:54:11,618 --> 00:54:12,258
Speaker 2: excellent catch.

1082
00:54:12,298 --> 00:54:13,297
Speaker 3: And yeah, he's been good.

1083
00:54:13,538 --> 00:54:13,738
Speaker 2: Yep.

1084
00:54:13,818 --> 00:54:16,018
Speaker 4: Hunter Henry was my number one up as well. I

1085
00:54:16,058 --> 00:54:21,098
Speaker 4: think he's been exactly what they need for a young quarterback.

1086
00:54:21,138 --> 00:54:23,738
Speaker 4: You know, some of those throws early on in the

1087
00:54:23,778 --> 00:54:26,098
Speaker 4: game when they were running those like post wheel out

1088
00:54:26,178 --> 00:54:29,338
Speaker 4: concepts where he's just like settling into the zone and

1089
00:54:29,378 --> 00:54:32,898
Speaker 4: like understands where to settle and how to get himself

1090
00:54:32,898 --> 00:54:35,817
Speaker 4: open and quarterback friendly. You know, he threw one later

1091
00:54:35,858 --> 00:54:37,938
Speaker 4: in the game to Austin Hooper where Hooper didn't do

1092
00:54:37,978 --> 00:54:40,338
Speaker 4: the same thing and it was almost a pick. Like

1093
00:54:40,418 --> 00:54:44,218
Speaker 4: those types of things with Hunter Henry are really impressive,

1094
00:54:44,498 --> 00:54:48,058
Speaker 4: the off script stuff like him you know, gravitating open

1095
00:54:48,138 --> 00:54:52,378
Speaker 4: and finding uncovering like dare I say, it's like Kelsey

1096
00:54:52,498 --> 00:54:55,018
Speaker 4: ish right, Like how good he is in that. He's

1097
00:54:55,138 --> 00:54:58,138
Speaker 4: really really good at it in the off script mode.

1098
00:54:58,578 --> 00:55:01,658
Speaker 4: It been impressed with him on that too. Clearly a binky,

1099
00:55:01,858 --> 00:55:04,138
Speaker 4: Like if you want a pinky, it's clearly been Hunter Henry.

1100
00:55:04,298 --> 00:55:05,098
Speaker 4: Who's your next one?

1101
00:55:05,818 --> 00:55:08,098
Speaker 2: My next one was Jamichael Hasty. Yeah, made a nice

1102
00:55:08,098 --> 00:55:09,818
Speaker 2: play on the touchdown. Thought he said, a couple of

1103
00:55:09,898 --> 00:55:11,978
Speaker 2: nice blocks in this game as well, Like I thought

1104
00:55:12,018 --> 00:55:12,578
Speaker 2: he was solid.

1105
00:55:12,818 --> 00:55:15,018
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I did one offense, one defense on the

1106
00:55:15,018 --> 00:55:17,898
Speaker 4: ops I did Anthony Jennings. I felt like he was

1107
00:55:17,938 --> 00:55:19,978
Speaker 4: like the only defender in the run game that was

1108
00:55:20,018 --> 00:55:23,458
Speaker 4: doing anything of productive or anything of value. Four run

1109
00:55:23,498 --> 00:55:25,897
Speaker 4: stuffs I had for him in this game. They didn't

1110
00:55:25,938 --> 00:55:28,458
Speaker 4: run it outside to his side like that, that's for sure.

1111
00:55:29,098 --> 00:55:31,978
Speaker 4: Had a couple really really good plays in this game.

1112
00:55:32,338 --> 00:55:35,938
Speaker 4: And he's not soft. He's not having any issues against

1113
00:55:35,978 --> 00:55:39,018
Speaker 4: the run. He's he's doing his thing in the run game.

1114
00:55:39,058 --> 00:55:41,458
Speaker 4: They does need other guys to follow suit. You have

1115
00:55:41,498 --> 00:55:42,058
Speaker 4: anybody else?

1116
00:55:42,178 --> 00:55:45,058
Speaker 2: Nope, all right, downs, I mean I just gave the

1117
00:55:45,058 --> 00:55:46,978
Speaker 2: whole spiel I was gonna give. But I had line

1118
00:55:47,018 --> 00:55:50,018
Speaker 2: of scrimmage. Both sides, can't run ball, can't stop the run,

1119
00:55:50,378 --> 00:55:53,698
Speaker 2: can't pressure the quarterback. And he gave those numbers yards

1120
00:55:53,698 --> 00:55:57,138
Speaker 2: before contact, the pressure numbers, all of that. You're not

1121
00:55:57,138 --> 00:55:59,138
Speaker 2: gonna win football games getting beat the line of scrimmage

1122
00:55:59,178 --> 00:56:01,858
Speaker 2: like that. Like you know, to drid Mao's comments, they

1123
00:56:01,898 --> 00:56:04,258
Speaker 2: played soft, they played softed, I know he kind of

1124
00:56:04,298 --> 00:56:07,337
Speaker 2: recharacterized it from the team is soft to the team

1125
00:56:07,418 --> 00:56:11,298
Speaker 2: is playing soft. Yeah, you can split hairs there the

1126
00:56:11,378 --> 00:56:15,098
Speaker 2: reality is that should have comes a surprise to anybody

1127
00:56:15,258 --> 00:56:16,818
Speaker 2: seeing what was happening at the line of scrimmage. Like

1128
00:56:16,858 --> 00:56:18,818
Speaker 2: he was right. You want a debate whether or not

1129
00:56:18,858 --> 00:56:20,938
Speaker 2: he should have said it, right, I'm okay that he

1130
00:56:21,018 --> 00:56:22,738
Speaker 2: said it because he said it to the team in

1131
00:56:22,778 --> 00:56:25,498
Speaker 2: the locker room beforehand. I think that's an important piece

1132
00:56:25,538 --> 00:56:27,978
Speaker 2: attacks that gets lost. It's always good when you have

1133
00:56:28,138 --> 00:56:29,058
Speaker 2: facts on your side.

1134
00:56:29,218 --> 00:56:29,338
Speaker 3: Right.

1135
00:56:29,378 --> 00:56:31,458
Speaker 2: If he hadn't said it in the locker room before,

1136
00:56:31,578 --> 00:56:35,018
Speaker 2: I'd be like, what are you doing? Guy? But he

1137
00:56:35,138 --> 00:56:38,578
Speaker 2: was right, And you can't play like that Fauna scrimmage

1138
00:56:38,578 --> 00:56:41,738
Speaker 2: and win football games, playing in symbol high school, college,

1139
00:56:41,978 --> 00:56:45,337
Speaker 2: NFL backyard. Whatever you're gonna beat like that at thelaune

1140
00:56:45,338 --> 00:56:47,178
Speaker 2: of scrimmage, you're not gonna win. Yeah.

1141
00:56:47,218 --> 00:56:49,938
Speaker 4: I had a similar kind of take on number one.

1142
00:56:50,018 --> 00:56:53,418
Speaker 4: I just put Drawdmeo and I also put DeMarcus Covington

1143
00:56:53,418 --> 00:56:55,738
Speaker 4: in this boat a little bit as well. I just

1144
00:56:56,658 --> 00:57:00,538
Speaker 4: personally like, I just thought defensively, they were not ready

1145
00:57:00,578 --> 00:57:02,938
Speaker 4: to play in this game. I felt like right out

1146
00:57:02,978 --> 00:57:05,817
Speaker 4: of the shoot they were getting run on, passed on,

1147
00:57:05,898 --> 00:57:09,138
Speaker 4: pretty much whatever Jacksonville wanted to do. I didn't feel

1148
00:57:09,138 --> 00:57:12,218
Speaker 4: like they were prepared for it. You know, Doug Peterson's

1149
00:57:13,458 --> 00:57:16,418
Speaker 4: him and Press Taylor like they're okay offensive mines. But

1150
00:57:16,778 --> 00:57:20,058
Speaker 4: this is in twenty seventeen. Doug Peterson, Right, it's been

1151
00:57:20,098 --> 00:57:22,858
Speaker 4: a minute since that guy's been you know, the darling

1152
00:57:22,938 --> 00:57:25,378
Speaker 4: of the offensive mines, you know, the.

1153
00:57:25,258 --> 00:57:26,178
Speaker 2: Type pants guys.

1154
00:57:26,898 --> 00:57:30,018
Speaker 4: I just really didn't feel like they had much going

1155
00:57:30,058 --> 00:57:32,738
Speaker 4: on def defensively that was working or that was well

1156
00:57:32,778 --> 00:57:35,578
Speaker 4: prepared for this game, which was disappointing. And I feel

1157
00:57:35,578 --> 00:57:38,298
Speaker 4: like I continued to say the same thing weekend and

1158
00:57:38,298 --> 00:57:41,138
Speaker 4: week out about that side of the football. I feel

1159
00:57:41,178 --> 00:57:44,578
Speaker 4: like I've been on this set. I've been more concerned

1160
00:57:44,698 --> 00:57:46,698
Speaker 4: in a lot of ways about the defense and the offense,

1161
00:57:46,738 --> 00:57:49,378
Speaker 4: because the offense I feel like is a personnel issue,

1162
00:57:49,418 --> 00:57:51,698
Speaker 4: Like I don't until Drake got in there. I just

1163
00:57:51,698 --> 00:57:54,098
Speaker 4: didn't feel like they had the horses offensively to be

1164
00:57:54,178 --> 00:57:57,378
Speaker 4: this great offense. Obviously could have been better than it

1165
00:57:57,498 --> 00:57:59,338
Speaker 4: was the first month of the season, but it was

1166
00:57:59,378 --> 00:58:02,338
Speaker 4: hard to say like, oh, well, they should be scoring

1167
00:58:02,418 --> 00:58:04,818
Speaker 4: twenty seven points a game with Jacob were Set and

1168
00:58:04,898 --> 00:58:08,218
Speaker 4: that collection of talent. So defensively, I still feel like

1169
00:58:08,258 --> 00:58:11,338
Speaker 4: they're underachieving. When you have a defensive minded head coach.

1170
00:58:11,378 --> 00:58:13,058
Speaker 4: I'm gonna put that partially on him and I'm gonna

1171
00:58:13,058 --> 00:58:14,658
Speaker 4: put it partially on the coordinator, So I have him

1172
00:58:14,698 --> 00:58:17,138
Speaker 4: both on there. Who's next next?

1173
00:58:17,178 --> 00:58:21,178
Speaker 2: For me? Jelani tavais just another rough game for him,

1174
00:58:21,218 --> 00:58:24,138
Speaker 2: and I feel for him. He's playing out of position

1175
00:58:24,218 --> 00:58:25,658
Speaker 2: right now. He's not in a good spot. But the

1176
00:58:25,778 --> 00:58:27,658
Speaker 2: Jaguars were picking on him in this game.

1177
00:58:27,858 --> 00:58:29,898
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had Jelani Devai and I also had Devon

1178
00:58:29,978 --> 00:58:34,738
Speaker 4: Godshaw in the same category, mainly just because they need

1179
00:58:34,778 --> 00:58:37,178
Speaker 4: those two guys to be better. As my keys fall

1180
00:58:37,218 --> 00:58:37,778
Speaker 4: out of my pocket.

1181
00:58:38,698 --> 00:58:41,418
Speaker 2: Yeah, they need those two guys to be better, right,

1182
00:58:41,498 --> 00:58:44,018
Speaker 2: Like they those two guys are guys that they're counting on.

1183
00:58:44,618 --> 00:58:47,258
Speaker 4: Those are their hard hat guys. Those are their circle

1184
00:58:47,298 --> 00:58:49,018
Speaker 4: the wagon guys. In a lot of ways on the

1185
00:58:49,018 --> 00:58:51,938
Speaker 4: defensive side of the football. I thought this was a

1186
00:58:52,058 --> 00:58:54,378
Speaker 4: rare down game this season for Godshow. I think he's

1187
00:58:54,418 --> 00:58:57,778
Speaker 4: been great outside of this week. He struggled this week,

1188
00:58:57,858 --> 00:59:01,058
Speaker 4: and teams now in the run game especially, they're starting

1189
00:59:01,098 --> 00:59:03,178
Speaker 4: a game plan and starting to prepare for him, Like

1190
00:59:03,218 --> 00:59:05,538
Speaker 4: they know he's a problem, they know he's hard to block,

1191
00:59:05,938 --> 00:59:08,178
Speaker 4: so now they're throwing a bunch of different things at him,

1192
00:59:08,178 --> 00:59:11,978
Speaker 4: whether it's doubles, you know, scheme like traps, whams, things

1193
00:59:12,018 --> 00:59:14,778
Speaker 4: like that on the inside, like just different ways and

1194
00:59:14,858 --> 00:59:18,578
Speaker 4: angles and different things to get him blocked. He's seeing

1195
00:59:18,618 --> 00:59:22,098
Speaker 4: a lot of things thrown his way. And by the

1196
00:59:22,258 --> 00:59:25,098
Speaker 4: end of this game on Sunday, it felt like it

1197
00:59:25,138 --> 00:59:28,698
Speaker 4: was almost exhausting him, Like he looked tired, like like

1198
00:59:28,778 --> 00:59:32,058
Speaker 4: trying to mentally process everything that was coming his way.

1199
00:59:32,458 --> 00:59:34,658
Speaker 4: And then you mentioned Tavai. You know, two big plays

1200
00:59:34,698 --> 00:59:37,178
Speaker 4: in the passing game. One of them I don't necessarily

1201
00:59:37,218 --> 00:59:40,098
Speaker 4: put too much on him, like the bootleg across or

1202
00:59:40,138 --> 00:59:42,498
Speaker 4: early to Gabe Davis, Like that's a tough play for

1203
00:59:42,538 --> 00:59:45,578
Speaker 4: a linebacker to stick with the receiver coming across the

1204
00:59:45,618 --> 00:59:46,338
Speaker 4: field like that.

1205
00:59:46,858 --> 00:59:48,098
Speaker 2: But he got beat on now one.

1206
00:59:48,178 --> 00:59:50,258
Speaker 4: He got beat on the twenty six yarder too, I

1207
00:59:50,298 --> 00:59:52,178
Speaker 4: think it was twenty six, twenty three, twenty six to

1208
00:59:52,258 --> 00:59:55,298
Speaker 4: Christian Kirk over the middle of the field. He missed

1209
00:59:55,338 --> 00:59:58,498
Speaker 4: two tackles just right in the hole on the ball

1210
00:59:58,818 --> 01:00:01,578
Speaker 4: in the run game down in the red area. I

1211
01:00:01,698 --> 01:00:03,658
Speaker 4: just he's a good football player.

1212
01:00:03,698 --> 01:00:05,458
Speaker 2: He's just not playing like one right now for the

1213
01:00:05,498 --> 01:00:07,698
Speaker 2: reasons you mentioned, And he needs to be better yeah,

1214
01:00:07,938 --> 01:00:08,978
Speaker 2: all right, next.

1215
01:00:09,658 --> 01:00:11,658
Speaker 3: I feel bad about this. Now he's in concussion protocol,

1216
01:00:11,698 --> 01:00:12,418
Speaker 3: but jaylen pol.

1217
01:00:12,458 --> 01:00:15,858
Speaker 2: He's on my list too. Yeah, it's it definitely feels

1218
01:00:15,858 --> 01:00:17,898
Speaker 2: mental at this point. Right And look, I don't think

1219
01:00:18,018 --> 01:00:21,458
Speaker 2: either of so last week he had drops like he

1220
01:00:21,618 --> 01:00:25,298
Speaker 2: just dropped the ball. There's a difference too, to drop

1221
01:00:25,858 --> 01:00:30,738
Speaker 2: in a catchable pass that's not caught like the we

1222
01:00:30,778 --> 01:00:33,458
Speaker 2: had in this game. The defenders made a play on

1223
01:00:33,498 --> 01:00:38,578
Speaker 2: the ball. But top forty, pick a guy that you

1224
01:00:38,618 --> 01:00:41,178
Speaker 2: know is big and physical, and it's like, make a

1225
01:00:41,178 --> 01:00:43,098
Speaker 2: better play on the ball than the defender did. Come

1226
01:00:43,138 --> 01:00:48,178
Speaker 2: down with at least one of those two. And going

1227
01:00:48,258 --> 01:00:50,098
Speaker 2: back and now I think it's mental. I think he

1228
01:00:50,138 --> 01:00:51,938
Speaker 2: has a case of the yips essentially. You know, if

1229
01:00:51,938 --> 01:00:54,738
Speaker 2: I'm the Patriots, I might see like about him talking

1230
01:00:54,778 --> 01:00:58,098
Speaker 2: with sports psychologists or something. Because going back to watching

1231
01:00:58,138 --> 01:01:00,738
Speaker 2: this guy in camp, if you told me he was

1232
01:01:00,778 --> 01:01:04,298
Speaker 2: going to struggle hands would have been my last guess

1233
01:01:04,338 --> 01:01:05,818
Speaker 2: as to why that was. You know, is he gonna

1234
01:01:05,818 --> 01:01:08,818
Speaker 2: be able to get away from defenders, whether that be

1235
01:01:08,858 --> 01:01:11,578
Speaker 2: in the route, whether that be after the catch. You know,

1236
01:01:11,658 --> 01:01:14,258
Speaker 2: is he gonna get over You know, I didn't think

1237
01:01:14,258 --> 01:01:16,178
Speaker 2: it was gonna be not holding on to the football.

1238
01:01:16,258 --> 01:01:16,978
Speaker 2: There were other.

1239
01:01:16,818 --> 01:01:19,018
Speaker 3: Guys in that camp that you definitely worried about their hands.

1240
01:01:19,018 --> 01:01:20,058
Speaker 3: He is not one of them.

1241
01:01:20,218 --> 01:01:22,938
Speaker 2: So and going back to college too. So to me,

1242
01:01:23,018 --> 01:01:25,818
Speaker 2: this feels like a mental thing. And catching the football

1243
01:01:25,858 --> 01:01:27,538
Speaker 2: is supposed to be second nature for these guys. Because

1244
01:01:27,538 --> 01:01:29,338
Speaker 2: you have so much you have to focus on, you

1245
01:01:29,338 --> 01:01:31,098
Speaker 2: don't want to also have to focus and catching the ball.

1246
01:01:31,098 --> 01:01:32,658
Speaker 2: That's why they do two hundred and fifty balls a

1247
01:01:32,738 --> 01:01:35,298
Speaker 2: day on the jugs machine. So it becomes muscle memory,

1248
01:01:35,498 --> 01:01:37,138
Speaker 2: and we start to lose that, it can be a

1249
01:01:37,178 --> 01:01:40,738
Speaker 2: slippery slope. So I think it's mental. He's obviously gonna

1250
01:01:40,778 --> 01:01:42,378
Speaker 2: get it. Seems like he's gonna get the week off

1251
01:01:42,378 --> 01:01:44,538
Speaker 2: this week. I think was there one guy all year

1252
01:01:44,578 --> 01:01:46,738
Speaker 2: that's come back from concussion protocol and played that week.

1253
01:01:46,818 --> 01:01:49,178
Speaker 2: It's probably for the best. I don't wish headed for

1254
01:01:49,258 --> 01:01:52,258
Speaker 2: the best. Well, but well, like I was saying before

1255
01:01:52,258 --> 01:01:54,498
Speaker 2: we knew he's in concussion protocol, like maybe this is

1256
01:01:54,498 --> 01:01:57,458
Speaker 2: a week to just, you know, to use a Bruins parlance,

1257
01:01:57,538 --> 01:01:59,898
Speaker 2: ninth floor, right, just let him kind of take a

1258
01:01:59,938 --> 01:02:01,578
Speaker 2: step back, take it all in, and then get back

1259
01:02:01,578 --> 01:02:03,698
Speaker 2: to it next week. Because the other thing is this

1260
01:02:03,778 --> 01:02:05,338
Speaker 2: is something you can work through on the field, and

1261
01:02:05,418 --> 01:02:07,538
Speaker 2: Drake May has been very supportive of him. Yeah, and

1262
01:02:07,578 --> 01:02:09,418
Speaker 2: Drake May talked about we need to get them targets early,

1263
01:02:09,418 --> 01:02:11,178
Speaker 2: we need to get him targets in space, get him going.

1264
01:02:11,498 --> 01:02:14,058
Speaker 3: But to go back to something we talked.

1265
01:02:13,818 --> 01:02:16,018
Speaker 2: About with with Taekwon Evan, Yeah, when we were doing

1266
01:02:16,018 --> 01:02:19,418
Speaker 2: Tae Kwon back in the summer, was you know what's

1267
01:02:19,538 --> 01:02:22,338
Speaker 2: best for ideally what's best for the receiver and what's

1268
01:02:22,378 --> 01:02:24,578
Speaker 2: best for the quarterback or the same thing. Yeah, I

1269
01:02:24,618 --> 01:02:27,338
Speaker 2: don't know that what's best for Jalen Polk right now

1270
01:02:27,378 --> 01:02:29,538
Speaker 2: is also what's best for Drake May because you need

1271
01:02:29,538 --> 01:02:31,738
Speaker 2: receivers out there that he can count on. And he's

1272
01:02:31,778 --> 01:02:34,138
Speaker 2: talked a lot about still trusting Jalen Polk, but can

1273
01:02:34,178 --> 01:02:36,218
Speaker 2: he really count on him? Tough to say it'd be

1274
01:02:36,258 --> 01:02:37,858
Speaker 2: great if Polk could go back out there and work

1275
01:02:37,858 --> 01:02:40,338
Speaker 2: through it, that's probably not what's best for Drake May

1276
01:02:40,418 --> 01:02:42,938
Speaker 2: and he kind of just have to defer to the quarterback. Yeah.

1277
01:02:43,018 --> 01:02:48,498
Speaker 4: So obviously the drops are contested drops I would call them.

1278
01:02:48,458 --> 01:02:50,578
Speaker 2: Because this week, last week they were out right right.

1279
01:02:50,818 --> 01:02:53,618
Speaker 2: This week was more of catchable balls. He didn't catch

1280
01:02:54,458 --> 01:02:57,098
Speaker 2: the corner route that Drake May's throw. Drake May throws

1281
01:02:57,098 --> 01:02:59,418
Speaker 2: to him where he gets clocked by the safety. It's late,

1282
01:02:59,578 --> 01:03:02,018
Speaker 2: it's a little inside, it's not a great throw.

1283
01:03:02,178 --> 01:03:03,658
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about more of that first one.

1284
01:03:03,778 --> 01:03:07,338
Speaker 4: So the first one on the bootleg. Yeah, so the

1285
01:03:07,378 --> 01:03:09,338
Speaker 4: first one on the bootleg. And this is more of

1286
01:03:09,378 --> 01:03:11,618
Speaker 4: what I wanted to talk about with Jalen Polk. My

1287
01:03:12,538 --> 01:03:14,538
Speaker 4: the thing to me with Jalen Polk, on top of

1288
01:03:14,578 --> 01:03:16,818
Speaker 4: the fact that the hands have been a little bit suspect,

1289
01:03:17,138 --> 01:03:22,338
Speaker 4: like I don't really love the routes either, Like to me,

1290
01:03:23,018 --> 01:03:25,058
Speaker 4: that route, first of all, he's late out of the

1291
01:03:25,098 --> 01:03:27,658
Speaker 4: gate and on that play, like he just is late

1292
01:03:27,698 --> 01:03:33,138
Speaker 4: into the route. And when you're late into the route, now,

1293
01:03:34,058 --> 01:03:37,938
Speaker 4: Hunter Henry, it's like think about like in baseball when

1294
01:03:37,938 --> 01:03:41,218
Speaker 4: you're running the bases and like somebody is behind you

1295
01:03:41,578 --> 01:03:43,818
Speaker 4: and is like catching up to you right on the

1296
01:03:43,858 --> 01:03:47,818
Speaker 4: base pass because you had to maybe go back to

1297
01:03:47,858 --> 01:03:50,378
Speaker 4: the base to tag up or like thinking of tagging.

1298
01:03:50,098 --> 01:03:53,618
Speaker 2: Up or something like that. So Jalen Polk's late out

1299
01:03:53,658 --> 01:03:56,938
Speaker 2: of the blocks on that play. So now he's running

1300
01:03:56,978 --> 01:04:00,098
Speaker 2: the corner and Hunter Henry's running the crosser on the

1301
01:04:00,138 --> 01:04:02,658
Speaker 2: bootleg and they end up in the same place. They

1302
01:04:02,698 --> 01:04:05,458
Speaker 2: almost end up colliding into each other. So the spacing

1303
01:04:05,538 --> 01:04:07,578
Speaker 2: is off on the play because of the route that

1304
01:04:07,658 --> 01:04:11,818
Speaker 2: jalen Polk ran. There's another play, the kJ Osborne near

1305
01:04:11,898 --> 01:04:15,578
Speaker 2: interception Drake may and not play. He starts with his

1306
01:04:15,658 --> 01:04:18,138
Speaker 2: eyes outside to the one on one to Jalen Polk.

1307
01:04:18,458 --> 01:04:22,178
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk just gets bodied into the ground against press coverage,

1308
01:04:22,218 --> 01:04:24,338
Speaker 2: like can't get off the line of scrimmage and ends

1309
01:04:24,458 --> 01:04:27,938
Speaker 2: up falling, like going to the ground, getting bullied into

1310
01:04:27,938 --> 01:04:32,018
Speaker 2: the dirt by press coverage. Those things are happening on

1311
01:04:32,098 --> 01:04:36,138
Speaker 2: top of the fact that he's dropping passes like so oh,

1312
01:04:36,178 --> 01:04:39,858
Speaker 2: there's a lot in this film from Jalen Polk and

1313
01:04:39,898 --> 01:04:42,338
Speaker 2: he was on my list too. As you can probably tell,

1314
01:04:42,818 --> 01:04:44,938
Speaker 2: there's a lot on this film from Jalen Polk that

1315
01:04:45,058 --> 01:04:48,338
Speaker 2: was not good. A lot like not just him dropping passes,

1316
01:04:48,658 --> 01:04:52,778
Speaker 2: but just bad poor routes. It doesn't seem like he's focused,

1317
01:04:52,858 --> 01:04:55,338
Speaker 2: like you know, the ball snapped and he's late out

1318
01:04:55,338 --> 01:04:57,578
Speaker 2: of his out of his starting gate, like what what

1319
01:04:57,658 --> 01:04:59,778
Speaker 2: are we doing? Like what what are we doing?

1320
01:05:00,338 --> 01:05:03,458
Speaker 4: So it is it's absolutely time for him and I again,

1321
01:05:03,778 --> 01:05:06,698
Speaker 4: I didn't want it to be injury related, like no

1322
01:05:06,738 --> 01:05:11,578
Speaker 4: one's wishing injury on the player at all, but it's

1323
01:05:11,618 --> 01:05:13,938
Speaker 4: it's definitely time for him to take a seat and

1324
01:05:14,418 --> 01:05:17,378
Speaker 4: watch for a couple of weeks because it's details. It's

1325
01:05:17,418 --> 01:05:21,218
Speaker 4: not it's catching the ball, it's route running, it's timing,

1326
01:05:21,338 --> 01:05:25,418
Speaker 4: it's spacing, it's getting off press coverage, like all of it,

1327
01:05:25,498 --> 01:05:27,978
Speaker 4: all of it has just not been good going on

1328
01:05:28,018 --> 01:05:28,738
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks.

1329
01:05:28,778 --> 01:05:31,898
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, I wonder if it's time for Javon Baker

1330
01:05:31,898 --> 01:05:33,578
Speaker 2: to maybe get another look. Yeah this week, And we

1331
01:05:33,778 --> 01:05:35,098
Speaker 2: can get into that when we get to the Jets.

1332
01:05:35,098 --> 01:05:36,538
Speaker 2: But I would give Javon Baker.

1333
01:05:36,298 --> 01:05:36,738
Speaker 3: And other shots.

1334
01:05:36,778 --> 01:05:38,458
Speaker 2: All right, I have one more, Yeah, I have one

1335
01:05:38,458 --> 01:05:41,098
Speaker 2: more too, Okay, go ahead, special teams. Oh yeah, and

1336
01:05:41,218 --> 01:05:45,538
Speaker 2: specifically this one sequence. Yeah, So there's been a lot made.

1337
01:05:46,538 --> 01:05:50,218
Speaker 2: We're talking about this out of practice actually, of the

1338
01:05:50,338 --> 01:05:53,418
Speaker 2: decision whether or not to go for two when they

1339
01:05:53,418 --> 01:05:57,978
Speaker 2: did right, and do you want to know you know

1340
01:05:58,138 --> 01:06:00,058
Speaker 2: you go forward early, you know what you have? Do

1341
01:06:00,138 --> 01:06:01,858
Speaker 2: you just kick it? Make it a one score game?

1342
01:06:01,938 --> 01:06:03,618
Speaker 2: You risk if you don't get the two point conversion. Now,

1343
01:06:03,618 --> 01:06:06,378
Speaker 2: maybe you're out of time. And I get why people

1344
01:06:06,418 --> 01:06:09,018
Speaker 2: are worked up about that. You know I would have

1345
01:06:09,098 --> 01:06:11,738
Speaker 2: kicked the extra point. Surprise, surprise, right. I disagree with

1346
01:06:11,738 --> 01:06:14,378
Speaker 2: the nerds. I understand the reasoning behind it, though, I

1347
01:06:14,538 --> 01:06:17,458
Speaker 2: like usual with the nerds, I can't get fired up

1348
01:06:17,458 --> 01:06:19,138
Speaker 2: about that. Take one way or the other them. Yeah,

1349
01:06:19,138 --> 01:06:22,458
Speaker 2: and I'll tell you why why were the Patriots chasing

1350
01:06:22,458 --> 01:06:23,818
Speaker 2: that point? Do you remember?

1351
01:06:24,138 --> 01:06:26,298
Speaker 3: Because this hasn't been talked about this week, like at all?

1352
01:06:26,458 --> 01:06:26,538
Speaker 7: No?

1353
01:06:27,658 --> 01:06:30,418
Speaker 3: So why why were they down fifteen instead of fourteen?

1354
01:06:30,938 --> 01:06:34,738
Speaker 2: Well? First, right, so, well, first they allowed a ninety

1355
01:06:34,778 --> 01:06:37,618
Speaker 2: six yard punt return touchdown. Don't do that, like, just

1356
01:06:37,658 --> 01:06:41,658
Speaker 2: don't do that? Be better? Bar coverage, right, Barringer over

1357
01:06:41,738 --> 01:06:44,258
Speaker 2: out kicks his coverage. Del Pettis doesn't fill the lane.

1358
01:06:44,258 --> 01:06:46,338
Speaker 2: I think there are a couple other I think Marcellus

1359
01:06:46,378 --> 01:06:49,738
Speaker 2: Dial maybe Bleu an assignment in there as well. Don't

1360
01:06:49,778 --> 01:06:52,498
Speaker 2: allow that, like don't but like, okay, guys, like the

1361
01:06:52,538 --> 01:06:54,418
Speaker 2: other team makes plays, all right, you allow a touchdown

1362
01:06:55,378 --> 01:06:58,978
Speaker 2: on the ensuing extra point. Jilanni to Vy lines up

1363
01:06:59,018 --> 01:07:01,018
Speaker 2: in the neutral zone. Yeah, this is also why he

1364
01:07:01,058 --> 01:07:02,418
Speaker 2: was on my downs list, but I was saving it

1365
01:07:02,458 --> 01:07:07,618
Speaker 2: for this part. Nice. It is week seven, This is

1366
01:07:07,658 --> 01:07:10,978
Speaker 2: a pat Yeah, and Jelani to Vy lines up in

1367
01:07:10,978 --> 01:07:15,818
Speaker 2: the neutral zone. If he doesn't do that, the Jaguars

1368
01:07:15,578 --> 01:07:18,218
Speaker 2: ki kick the extra point. The Patriots are down fourteen.

1369
01:07:19,138 --> 01:07:21,258
Speaker 2: You know they're not chasing that point. It doesn't become

1370
01:07:21,258 --> 01:07:23,538
Speaker 2: a discussion. They don't fail the two point conversion.

1371
01:07:24,018 --> 01:07:26,658
Speaker 3: But he does. The Jaguars, all right, we're gonna get

1372
01:07:26,658 --> 01:07:27,218
Speaker 3: the ball to one.

1373
01:07:27,698 --> 01:07:30,618
Speaker 2: They go for the two like they capitalize on the opportunity,

1374
01:07:30,818 --> 01:07:33,698
Speaker 2: and now the Patriots are chasing one point. The entire

1375
01:07:33,898 --> 01:07:38,538
Speaker 2: game script is altered from that point because seven weeks in,

1376
01:07:39,058 --> 01:07:41,258
Speaker 2: you can't line up on sides on a pat.

1377
01:07:42,658 --> 01:07:44,578
Speaker 3: Well, this is where you roll your eyes and both

1378
01:07:44,658 --> 01:07:48,698
Speaker 3: special teams a little. But the entire game was altered

1379
01:07:49,058 --> 01:07:52,058
Speaker 3: by because he lined up half a yard off sides.

1380
01:07:52,138 --> 01:07:56,018
Speaker 2: They gave up points on special teams. Yeah, it's not

1381
01:07:56,058 --> 01:07:57,578
Speaker 2: just giving up a point if they gave up eight,

1382
01:07:57,658 --> 01:08:00,018
Speaker 2: not seven. Like I said my part about the punt return,

1383
01:08:00,058 --> 01:08:02,058
Speaker 2: I don't mean to excuse that. I said my point

1384
01:08:02,098 --> 01:08:04,738
Speaker 2: about the two point conversion, and people though I gave

1385
01:08:04,778 --> 01:08:06,458
Speaker 2: this rant to a friend. Oh, you're just trying to

1386
01:08:06,538 --> 01:08:09,138
Speaker 2: let the coaching staff off the hook. Yeah, no, no,

1387
01:08:09,458 --> 01:08:12,258
Speaker 2: it's week seven. You can't get lined upright on a

1388
01:08:12,258 --> 01:08:14,578
Speaker 2: pat like that reflects on the coaching staff as much

1389
01:08:14,578 --> 01:08:16,138
Speaker 2: as it or more than it reflects on the player,

1390
01:08:16,577 --> 01:08:19,497
Speaker 2: especially after Drodmeo came out last week and talked about

1391
01:08:19,497 --> 01:08:24,898
Speaker 2: limiting penalties again that one play they were chasing that

1392
01:08:25,018 --> 01:08:29,657
Speaker 2: point the entire game. It completely impacted the way both

1393
01:08:29,697 --> 01:08:33,098
Speaker 2: teams approached the You cannot have that. They when I

1394
01:08:33,138 --> 01:08:35,777
Speaker 2: talk about the margin frere, right, the margin frere this

1395
01:08:35,818 --> 01:08:39,098
Speaker 2: team has, it's one point, Like, it's that one point,

1396
01:08:39,138 --> 01:08:41,697
Speaker 2: it's that half yard lining up off sides on a pad.

1397
01:08:42,098 --> 01:08:44,338
Speaker 3: It's not worth it. You can't do it.

1398
01:08:44,738 --> 01:08:46,617
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's a great point. And you know

1399
01:08:46,737 --> 01:08:49,298
Speaker 4: I let you do special teams, but the.

1400
01:08:49,218 --> 01:08:51,017
Speaker 3: Bigger special teams and games scripts.

1401
01:08:52,218 --> 01:08:54,697
Speaker 4: But the big reason why I let you do special teams, though,

1402
01:08:55,657 --> 01:08:58,218
Speaker 4: is that to me, special teams is past fail every

1403
01:08:58,218 --> 01:09:01,817
Speaker 4: single week. Either you did your jobs on special teams,

1404
01:09:02,098 --> 01:09:04,857
Speaker 4: and your job could just be simply as making the layups,

1405
01:09:04,857 --> 01:09:06,697
Speaker 4: like you can't the extra points and you hit the

1406
01:09:06,697 --> 01:09:09,217
Speaker 4: field goals and you don't give up any big plays

1407
01:09:09,258 --> 01:09:10,177
Speaker 4: in the in the kick.

1408
01:09:10,018 --> 01:09:11,858
Speaker 2: Coverage, but you can't.

1409
01:09:12,178 --> 01:09:15,817
Speaker 4: You can't have failure, especially catastrophic failure over the ninety

1410
01:09:15,857 --> 01:09:18,378
Speaker 4: six yard punt return like you can't. It has to

1411
01:09:18,577 --> 01:09:21,657
Speaker 4: be you have to pass. But I don't need you

1412
01:09:21,777 --> 01:09:25,977
Speaker 4: to be this like dynamic special teams unit to like suffice,

1413
01:09:26,058 --> 01:09:27,697
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like you don't have to

1414
01:09:27,737 --> 01:09:30,418
Speaker 4: be like you know, Prime Bears with Devin Hester from

1415
01:09:30,617 --> 01:09:32,537
Speaker 4: to be like oh, like good enough, like you know,

1416
01:09:32,817 --> 01:09:35,338
Speaker 4: but you can't fail on special teams. You can't have

1417
01:09:35,378 --> 01:09:36,737
Speaker 4: a special teams actively losing.

1418
01:09:36,857 --> 01:09:38,617
Speaker 2: It's special teams. And it's also I guess I should

1419
01:09:38,657 --> 01:09:41,058
Speaker 2: say some game management stuff too, right again, you know,

1420
01:09:41,178 --> 01:09:42,458
Speaker 2: chasing that point.

1421
01:09:42,817 --> 01:09:43,458
Speaker 3: You know what else?

1422
01:09:43,978 --> 01:09:45,537
Speaker 2: What did they do at the end of the first half, Evan,

1423
01:09:46,018 --> 01:09:48,657
Speaker 2: They screwed up the situation again, same situation and the

1424
01:09:48,697 --> 01:09:49,617
Speaker 2: Jaguars sat.

1425
01:09:49,378 --> 01:09:51,418
Speaker 3: On the ball so they didn't get burned. But yeah,

1426
01:09:51,497 --> 01:09:52,858
Speaker 3: that's four times.

1427
01:09:52,577 --> 01:09:55,258
Speaker 2: In seven weeks they've managed that situation the same way.

1428
01:09:55,178 --> 01:09:57,218
Speaker 2: I have a twenty five percent hit rate, and the

1429
01:09:57,258 --> 01:09:59,298
Speaker 2: only reason they hit once is because Drake made made

1430
01:09:59,338 --> 01:10:02,338
Speaker 2: two unbelievable throws to bail out Alex Van Pelt. Like

1431
01:10:02,817 --> 01:10:05,537
Speaker 2: the game management stuff. I talked about this a little

1432
01:10:05,537 --> 01:10:07,257
Speaker 2: bit last week that I was worried with Van Pelt

1433
01:10:07,537 --> 01:10:10,138
Speaker 2: coming from that Shanahan tree and these guys are just

1434
01:10:10,178 --> 01:10:13,298
Speaker 2: not good with it, like they're not, and the game

1435
01:10:13,338 --> 01:10:17,657
Speaker 2: management to get the game script management continues to get

1436
01:10:17,657 --> 01:10:18,218
Speaker 2: away from them.

1437
01:10:18,497 --> 01:10:21,338
Speaker 4: Okay, really quickly on the last one for me, you

1438
01:10:21,458 --> 01:10:23,897
Speaker 4: got to put some offensive linemen on this list when

1439
01:10:23,937 --> 01:10:25,338
Speaker 4: you can't run the first ball.

1440
01:10:25,418 --> 01:10:27,497
Speaker 3: It's true, well, I said, line of scrimmage both ways.

1441
01:10:27,617 --> 01:10:31,977
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So I'm not to on him exclusively, but

1442
01:10:32,058 --> 01:10:34,857
Speaker 4: Citi so was rough in this game. I had him

1443
01:10:34,857 --> 01:10:39,097
Speaker 4: with five quarterback pressures, allowed a hit, four hurries, struggled

1444
01:10:39,098 --> 01:10:41,497
Speaker 4: in the run game, didn't move people off the line

1445
01:10:41,497 --> 01:10:43,657
Speaker 4: of scrimmage very well, nobody really did, to be fair

1446
01:10:43,697 --> 01:10:47,017
Speaker 4: of him, but you know, he struggled. I thought mightily

1447
01:10:47,058 --> 01:10:50,497
Speaker 4: on this film, this really hasn't been the same guy

1448
01:10:51,018 --> 01:10:53,737
Speaker 4: since that injury in training camp to his ankle, right,

1449
01:10:53,737 --> 01:10:56,497
Speaker 4: I think his ankle in Washington in the last preseason game. Yes,

1450
01:10:56,777 --> 01:10:59,017
Speaker 4: and he hasn't really been the same guy. Like it

1451
01:10:59,058 --> 01:11:01,977
Speaker 4: seems like his power is like sap from him. So

1452
01:11:02,058 --> 01:11:06,418
Speaker 4: maybe he's still not physically one hundred percent and that's

1453
01:11:06,418 --> 01:11:09,138
Speaker 4: a reason why. But to me, it more looks like

1454
01:11:09,178 --> 01:11:11,937
Speaker 4: his technique has completely fallen apart, like he was got

1455
01:11:11,978 --> 01:11:14,697
Speaker 4: at a rhythm with it. From the injury, and now

1456
01:11:14,737 --> 01:11:17,697
Speaker 4: his technique has fallen apart his pad level, you know,

1457
01:11:17,817 --> 01:11:21,897
Speaker 4: leveraging blox hands things like that just hasn't been good enough.

1458
01:11:22,138 --> 01:11:24,537
Speaker 4: I didn't think Michael Jordan was great in this game either.

1459
01:11:24,617 --> 01:11:27,697
Speaker 4: I thought both guards got pushed around by Jacksonville. But

1460
01:11:28,138 --> 01:11:31,418
Speaker 4: Eric Armstead's like City so just had his hands full.

1461
01:11:31,497 --> 01:11:34,577
Speaker 2: Their Armstead, their best lineman right now is a guy

1462
01:11:34,657 --> 01:11:37,258
Speaker 2: they got off a practice squad two weeks ago.

1463
01:11:37,418 --> 01:11:41,177
Speaker 4: And Ben Brown yeah, yeah, you know, look to his credit.

1464
01:11:41,378 --> 01:11:45,817
Speaker 4: I thought that I thought Trey Jacobs was okay, Like,

1465
01:11:45,897 --> 01:11:49,178
Speaker 4: given the circumstances and given the expectation, I thought he

1466
01:11:49,298 --> 01:11:51,218
Speaker 4: was okay at left tackle, and I thought on when

1467
01:11:51,258 --> 01:11:53,057
Speaker 4: who was decent at right tackle?

1468
01:11:53,218 --> 01:11:55,257
Speaker 2: Again? But the two.

1469
01:11:55,098 --> 01:11:58,617
Speaker 4: Guards, we were brutal. They both really struggled in this game.

1470
01:11:58,697 --> 01:11:59,057
Speaker 2: All right.

1471
01:11:59,657 --> 01:12:01,497
Speaker 4: I know I've been leaving people on hold for a while,

1472
01:12:01,537 --> 01:12:04,577
Speaker 4: So let's get to these phones. Patty is an agua

1473
01:12:04,617 --> 01:12:09,937
Speaker 4: on what's up? Patty's Hey, how's it going.

1474
01:12:11,617 --> 01:12:11,937
Speaker 7: Good? Hell?

1475
01:12:11,978 --> 01:12:12,977
Speaker 8: Are you guys doing good?

1476
01:12:13,497 --> 01:12:16,258
Speaker 2: Good? Good? What you got so?

1477
01:12:16,338 --> 01:12:18,458
Speaker 8: Evan? You kind of brought up one thing I wanted

1478
01:12:18,458 --> 01:12:20,257
Speaker 8: to talk about with the run defense, Is it really

1479
01:12:20,378 --> 01:12:22,298
Speaker 8: just effort and want to or is there any way

1480
01:12:22,298 --> 01:12:26,777
Speaker 8: they can like scheme something up to try and look better.

1481
01:12:26,817 --> 01:12:33,178
Speaker 8: I mean, brief and Alan, they scared the hell out

1482
01:12:33,178 --> 01:12:36,218
Speaker 8: of me. I mean they they didn't run over. I

1483
01:12:36,258 --> 01:12:38,977
Speaker 8: mean they ran on us pretty good on week three,

1484
01:12:39,018 --> 01:12:41,737
Speaker 8: but I think the run defense since week three has

1485
01:12:41,817 --> 01:12:44,777
Speaker 8: just gotten progressively worse, even with you know, Juwan with

1486
01:12:44,897 --> 01:12:49,537
Speaker 8: no Juwan Bentley in week three. And the other question

1487
01:12:49,617 --> 01:12:53,818
Speaker 8: I had was, I'm I'm starting to move the goalpost

1488
01:12:54,058 --> 01:12:59,418
Speaker 8: towards possibly taking like Ted McMillan and maybe you know,

1489
01:12:59,537 --> 01:13:03,098
Speaker 8: jumping back into the first and taking like Heiresee or

1490
01:13:03,178 --> 01:13:05,937
Speaker 8: somebody like that or Josh Simmons from Ohio State. I

1491
01:13:05,978 --> 01:13:08,298
Speaker 8: wanted to know your guys' thoughts on that. I know

1492
01:13:08,378 --> 01:13:12,418
Speaker 8: offensive tackles a priority, but we keep hearing these things

1493
01:13:12,458 --> 01:13:16,218
Speaker 8: about well Campbell, how he doesn't have arm length. And

1494
01:13:16,338 --> 01:13:17,977
Speaker 8: I don't know if you watched the game, Evan Alex,

1495
01:13:18,058 --> 01:13:21,298
Speaker 8: I know you did, but uh yeah, Banks struggled pretty

1496
01:13:21,298 --> 01:13:23,418
Speaker 8: good against Georgia last week. And that's all I got.

1497
01:13:23,418 --> 01:13:24,577
Speaker 8: I'll take it off there, guys.

1498
01:13:24,978 --> 01:13:26,137
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call. Patty.

1499
01:13:26,178 --> 01:13:29,537
Speaker 4: So to the first one, like run defense, I personally

1500
01:13:29,577 --> 01:13:33,737
Speaker 4: feel that run defense. Let's and this this is the

1501
01:13:33,857 --> 01:13:36,017
Speaker 4: x's and no's guys telling you. So this is how

1502
01:13:36,058 --> 01:13:38,777
Speaker 4: you know that this is really true. I would say

1503
01:13:38,817 --> 01:13:43,658
Speaker 4: run defenses. Let's call it seventy five to eighty percent mentality,

1504
01:13:43,937 --> 01:13:50,817
Speaker 4: like just physical, want to effort mentality. Now the things

1505
01:13:50,817 --> 01:13:55,258
Speaker 4: that they could do. The easiest thing to do is

1506
01:13:55,298 --> 01:13:58,378
Speaker 4: to run blitz right. But if you're gonna run blitz

1507
01:13:58,378 --> 01:14:02,497
Speaker 4: which is basically the same as blitzing in terms of passing,

1508
01:14:02,537 --> 01:14:05,058
Speaker 4: and drop him back to pass, but you're basically just

1509
01:14:05,098 --> 01:14:08,218
Speaker 4: gonna shoot a guy through a gap, right, Like if

1510
01:14:08,218 --> 01:14:10,497
Speaker 4: you want to shoot an ab usually it's one of

1511
01:14:10,497 --> 01:14:11,697
Speaker 4: the a's or the B gaps.

1512
01:14:12,058 --> 01:14:13,737
Speaker 2: You fire him through the A of the B gap.

1513
01:14:14,058 --> 01:14:16,817
Speaker 2: You rotate the safety behind him into his gap.

1514
01:14:16,978 --> 01:14:19,058
Speaker 4: You know that he's leaving from off the ball, and

1515
01:14:19,098 --> 01:14:21,537
Speaker 4: you kind of replace him in the in the runfit

1516
01:14:21,657 --> 01:14:23,898
Speaker 4: that way with one of your safeties.

1517
01:14:24,178 --> 01:14:25,097
Speaker 2: Like, that's doable.

1518
01:14:25,577 --> 01:14:28,617
Speaker 4: Slanting the line right, so like instead of going right

1519
01:14:28,897 --> 01:14:32,378
Speaker 4: vertical at a block, you slant or knife into a

1520
01:14:32,458 --> 01:14:35,657
Speaker 4: gap or across the face of the defender or the blocker,

1521
01:14:35,777 --> 01:14:38,497
Speaker 4: excuse me, Like that's doable. You can slant the line

1522
01:14:38,497 --> 01:14:39,218
Speaker 4: of scrimmage.

1523
01:14:39,537 --> 01:14:40,497
Speaker 2: You can also.

1524
01:14:42,218 --> 01:14:45,378
Speaker 4: Go with even front or one gap principles, right, like

1525
01:14:45,537 --> 01:14:49,497
Speaker 4: the Patriots are typically a two gaping defense. There is

1526
01:14:49,537 --> 01:14:52,737
Speaker 4: that ability to just you have the A gap, I

1527
01:14:52,777 --> 01:14:55,137
Speaker 4: have the B gap, and we're firing off the ball

1528
01:14:55,178 --> 01:14:59,378
Speaker 4: and we're going up the field. They I would put

1529
01:14:59,617 --> 01:15:02,138
Speaker 4: you know me personally, I would like to see them

1530
01:15:02,218 --> 01:15:04,577
Speaker 4: running with some more even gap mechanics and some more

1531
01:15:04,617 --> 01:15:07,458
Speaker 4: one gap with four down defensive linemen. I think that

1532
01:15:07,458 --> 01:15:13,458
Speaker 4: that could be more effective, mainly because usually teams at

1533
01:15:13,458 --> 01:15:17,458
Speaker 4: one gap are because they have smaller guys. And when

1534
01:15:17,497 --> 01:15:21,577
Speaker 4: I look at their front now without bar More, without

1535
01:15:21,617 --> 01:15:27,378
Speaker 4: Lawrence Guy, without Jwan Bentley, I see a small front.

1536
01:15:27,577 --> 01:15:32,698
Speaker 4: And so you have guys like a quality Roy Roberts.

1537
01:15:32,897 --> 01:15:35,577
Speaker 4: You know these guys are playing a lot or Johnson,

1538
01:15:35,617 --> 01:15:36,137
Speaker 4: not Roberts.

1539
01:15:36,218 --> 01:15:41,577
Speaker 2: Excuse me, yeah, Miss ninety six is right, yeah Johnson

1540
01:15:42,897 --> 01:15:45,217
Speaker 2: Christian ellis like playing at the second level.

1541
01:15:45,617 --> 01:15:49,657
Speaker 4: Like those guys are smaller players. So maybe having those

1542
01:15:49,697 --> 01:15:52,537
Speaker 4: guys get up the field instead of trying to take

1543
01:15:52,577 --> 01:15:55,617
Speaker 4: on box but going through the line of scrimmage up

1544
01:15:55,617 --> 01:15:58,458
Speaker 4: the field might be better when you have those types

1545
01:15:58,497 --> 01:16:03,778
Speaker 4: of players, like when you have beefy dudes, bar More Guy, Godshaw, Bentley,

1546
01:16:04,058 --> 01:16:07,418
Speaker 4: t Viy like Jennings, like those guys can two gap

1547
01:16:07,497 --> 01:16:09,817
Speaker 4: and they can hold up the wall and build that

1548
01:16:10,178 --> 01:16:12,857
Speaker 4: the wall as it's you know Belichick used to call it,

1549
01:16:12,897 --> 01:16:15,458
Speaker 4: and all that. They don't necessarily, in my opinion, have

1550
01:16:15,497 --> 01:16:17,897
Speaker 4: the personnel to be a great two gapping front right now.

1551
01:16:17,897 --> 01:16:19,178
Speaker 2: So one way or the other when it comes down,

1552
01:16:19,338 --> 01:16:21,657
Speaker 2: is just basically throwing bodies at the problem, which is

1553
01:16:21,697 --> 01:16:23,777
Speaker 2: the answer that you're either gonna blitz or you're gonna

1554
01:16:23,777 --> 01:16:25,497
Speaker 2: put more players on line of scrimmage to begin with.

1555
01:16:25,937 --> 01:16:28,577
Speaker 3: But when you do that, you know, it makes things

1556
01:16:28,617 --> 01:16:29,418
Speaker 3: tougher in coverage.

1557
01:16:29,418 --> 01:16:31,817
Speaker 2: As to the second part of his question, yea, So

1558
01:16:32,018 --> 01:16:34,537
Speaker 2: we had talked about McMillan and ear See a couple

1559
01:16:34,497 --> 01:16:36,217
Speaker 2: of shows ago. You were supposed to watch him against

1560
01:16:36,218 --> 01:16:40,657
Speaker 2: Michigan you didn't. That's gonna be a real talking point again,

1561
01:16:40,657 --> 01:16:42,817
Speaker 2: Like we still have ball off to play. So I'm

1562
01:16:42,817 --> 01:16:44,617
Speaker 2: not you know, I'm not coming out with any mock

1563
01:16:44,697 --> 01:16:47,617
Speaker 2: draft just yet, but it's definitely something to you know,

1564
01:16:47,657 --> 01:16:51,497
Speaker 2: both guys. At this point, to me, it's about who

1565
01:16:51,577 --> 01:16:54,977
Speaker 2: are the names Patriots fans should know, and Arianta Eersy

1566
01:16:55,138 --> 01:16:57,537
Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily somebody who was on that list. At the

1567
01:16:57,537 --> 01:16:59,458
Speaker 2: beginning of the year, Ted McMillan was even if he

1568
01:16:59,497 --> 01:17:01,257
Speaker 2: wanted to tackle. It was like, well, this guy's gonna.

1569
01:17:01,018 --> 01:17:02,298
Speaker 3: Be a top ten pick. Be aware of him.

1570
01:17:03,378 --> 01:17:06,338
Speaker 2: Air C now is definitely on the list. The question

1571
01:17:06,418 --> 01:17:07,897
Speaker 2: is does he move up too high. The other guy

1572
01:17:07,937 --> 01:17:11,178
Speaker 2: he mentioned was Josh Simmons, who's left tackle from Ohio State,

1573
01:17:11,218 --> 01:17:12,697
Speaker 2: who kind of came out and I don't want to

1574
01:17:12,737 --> 01:17:14,617
Speaker 2: say came out of nowhere, but like he was a

1575
01:17:14,657 --> 01:17:17,338
Speaker 2: really hot riser, high riser through the.

1576
01:17:17,258 --> 01:17:17,897
Speaker 3: Start of the season.

1577
01:17:17,897 --> 01:17:19,777
Speaker 2: He was having a really good year flying up draft boards.

1578
01:17:20,418 --> 01:17:24,298
Speaker 2: He suffered a non contact knee injury last week. Is

1579
01:17:24,418 --> 01:17:29,097
Speaker 2: kind of nasty looking. He's out for the year. Look

1580
01:17:29,218 --> 01:17:32,058
Speaker 2: put out some good tape. Definitely was impressive For a

1581
01:17:32,098 --> 01:17:36,258
Speaker 2: Patriots team that needs an infusion of talent. Even though

1582
01:17:36,298 --> 01:17:38,977
Speaker 2: the upside's there a guy that's coming off of something

1583
01:17:39,018 --> 01:17:41,977
Speaker 2: like that, they just can't afford to take that risk.

1584
01:17:42,058 --> 01:17:44,937
Speaker 2: They can't realistically he's going to go in the same

1585
01:17:45,018 --> 01:17:47,537
Speaker 2: around the same range as Airs, Like, that's the guy

1586
01:17:47,577 --> 01:17:49,178
Speaker 2: if you want to do that. If you're somebody wh

1587
01:17:49,178 --> 01:17:53,497
Speaker 2: wants Ted McMillan and you think he's the answer, it's

1588
01:17:53,897 --> 01:17:56,497
Speaker 2: you know, moved down a little bit. If you can

1589
01:17:57,098 --> 01:18:01,017
Speaker 2: get McMillan, whatever you get from moving down, you use

1590
01:18:01,098 --> 01:18:03,577
Speaker 2: to move back up from thirty four, and that's what

1591
01:18:03,697 --> 01:18:05,657
Speaker 2: you get IERC Like that would be what that would

1592
01:18:05,657 --> 01:18:09,617
Speaker 2: look like to me, Simmons is because it's college, like,

1593
01:18:09,657 --> 01:18:11,777
Speaker 2: we don't know what the injury is. I would be

1594
01:18:11,857 --> 01:18:14,458
Speaker 2: shocked if it's not. Just watching it, I'm not a doctor,

1595
01:18:14,497 --> 01:18:17,857
Speaker 2: but broken something well, I'm thinking like multiple ligaments kind

1596
01:18:17,897 --> 01:18:20,258
Speaker 2: of thing, like it definitely gave the vibe of like

1597
01:18:20,258 --> 01:18:22,697
Speaker 2: an acl and then is basically he goes to plant

1598
01:18:22,777 --> 01:18:25,058
Speaker 2: like he's dropping back in a pass that and he

1599
01:18:25,098 --> 01:18:27,697
Speaker 2: goes to plant and his knee just completely bupps.

1600
01:18:27,857 --> 01:18:29,458
Speaker 3: I thought it was an achilles watching it live.

1601
01:18:29,497 --> 01:18:31,857
Speaker 2: It's being reported as in but like that kind of

1602
01:18:31,857 --> 01:18:33,977
Speaker 2: thing where I'm just like, you know, best of luck

1603
01:18:34,018 --> 01:18:36,937
Speaker 2: to the kid. That's more a spot for a team

1604
01:18:36,978 --> 01:18:39,057
Speaker 2: that you know, a guy like the Niners, they're gonna

1605
01:18:39,058 --> 01:18:41,537
Speaker 2: get tagged him a lot. Trent Williams finishes out, you know,

1606
01:18:42,018 --> 01:18:44,537
Speaker 2: whatever he has left, and then you have this kid

1607
01:18:44,577 --> 01:18:47,137
Speaker 2: ready for a team that needs an instant infusion of talent,

1608
01:18:47,338 --> 01:18:49,657
Speaker 2: a guy coming off a blown knee when there's other

1609
01:18:49,697 --> 01:18:51,617
Speaker 2: options available shouldn't be the answer.

1610
01:18:51,777 --> 01:18:54,458
Speaker 4: So like, just philosophically quickly, because I haven't done deep

1611
01:18:54,497 --> 01:18:56,258
Speaker 4: dives into any of these guys yet, as you know.

1612
01:18:56,777 --> 01:18:57,777
Speaker 2: Just philosophically.

1613
01:18:58,497 --> 01:19:02,537
Speaker 4: I The part that I guess gets me with the

1614
01:19:02,577 --> 01:19:07,418
Speaker 4: whole conversation is like, how many years are we going

1615
01:19:07,458 --> 01:19:14,378
Speaker 4: to just throw like like low level assets at tackle?

1616
01:19:14,617 --> 01:19:16,537
Speaker 4: Like a low level is probably the wrong word because

1617
01:19:16,537 --> 01:19:18,378
Speaker 4: it could be a high second round pick or something,

1618
01:19:18,418 --> 01:19:22,138
Speaker 4: but like, how many years are we going to basically

1619
01:19:22,697 --> 01:19:26,298
Speaker 4: take a flyer at tackle and essentially kick the can

1620
01:19:26,378 --> 01:19:30,817
Speaker 4: down the road again at left tackle for a a

1621
01:19:30,857 --> 01:19:31,537
Speaker 4: shiny new tool.

1622
01:19:31,617 --> 01:19:33,418
Speaker 3: So let me be clear about this. Let me be

1623
01:19:33,458 --> 01:19:33,977
Speaker 3: clear about this.

1624
01:19:34,577 --> 01:19:38,178
Speaker 2: You are not getting a franchise left tackle in the

1625
01:19:38,298 --> 01:19:41,338
Speaker 2: veteran market, free agent, trade, whatever, and they need a

1626
01:19:41,378 --> 01:19:42,418
Speaker 2: franchise left tackle.

1627
01:19:42,458 --> 01:19:45,017
Speaker 4: They do not need a great We've been talking about

1628
01:19:45,178 --> 01:19:49,777
Speaker 4: them needing a franchise left tackle basically since it was

1629
01:19:49,897 --> 01:19:51,537
Speaker 4: proven at Isaiah Winners.

1630
01:19:51,937 --> 01:19:53,418
Speaker 3: As long as you and I have been covering the team.

1631
01:19:54,138 --> 01:19:56,458
Speaker 2: I say this right, So every year they need a

1632
01:19:56,777 --> 01:19:59,338
Speaker 2: potential franchise left tackle. They cannot do a bridge again

1633
01:19:59,378 --> 01:20:01,258
Speaker 2: at that position, not with Drake May. So let me

1634
01:20:01,298 --> 01:20:02,857
Speaker 2: be clear about this. As I give this take about

1635
01:20:02,857 --> 01:20:10,017
Speaker 2: Ted McMillan, I think Arianta Earc has franchise tackle upside.

1636
01:20:10,338 --> 01:20:12,857
Speaker 2: The difference is he does not have the floor that

1637
01:20:12,978 --> 01:20:14,537
Speaker 2: will Campbell and Kelvin bent to.

1638
01:20:14,978 --> 01:20:16,977
Speaker 3: But he's close.

1639
01:20:17,777 --> 01:20:20,418
Speaker 2: Like these guys are are three year starters who have

1640
01:20:20,497 --> 01:20:22,697
Speaker 2: been starting since they are true freshmen. You have a

1641
01:20:22,817 --> 01:20:25,017
Speaker 2: really clear idea of who these two guys are. I

1642
01:20:25,138 --> 01:20:28,178
Speaker 2: just feel as ear C there's a little more grace.

1643
01:20:28,458 --> 01:20:31,298
Speaker 2: He's not his experienced physical upside. So I am not

1644
01:20:31,497 --> 01:20:34,378
Speaker 2: saying this lightly to say, well, you need a wide

1645
01:20:34,497 --> 01:20:37,537
Speaker 2: receiver and then you figure out tackle later. Like if

1646
01:20:37,577 --> 01:20:40,697
Speaker 2: it's like that, that whole tech McMillan thing for me

1647
01:20:41,058 --> 01:20:43,977
Speaker 2: is so predicated on you trade back up into the

1648
01:20:43,978 --> 01:20:46,617
Speaker 2: twenties and you still get a potential franchise tackle. It's

1649
01:20:46,657 --> 01:20:49,178
Speaker 2: not you wait to thirty four and see if Wyatt

1650
01:20:49,258 --> 01:20:51,857
Speaker 2: Maglam maybe falls to you, or maybe the kid from

1651
01:20:51,857 --> 01:20:53,577
Speaker 2: Ohio State falls to you after the injury.

1652
01:20:53,897 --> 01:20:56,258
Speaker 3: That's not a well, okay, well what if we make

1653
01:20:56,298 --> 01:20:56,977
Speaker 3: it work this way?

1654
01:20:57,098 --> 01:20:59,577
Speaker 2: No, it's a very specific way that would have to

1655
01:20:59,577 --> 01:21:02,657
Speaker 2: work because, like you said, they cannot kick the can

1656
01:21:02,777 --> 01:21:04,897
Speaker 2: down the road to tackle again. You need a guy

1657
01:21:04,937 --> 01:21:06,697
Speaker 2: that comes in looking like he's going to be your

1658
01:21:06,697 --> 01:21:08,897
Speaker 2: tackle for the next ten years. Is there a way

1659
01:21:08,897 --> 01:21:11,937
Speaker 2: to get that guy? And Tet McMillan, there might be,

1660
01:21:12,258 --> 01:21:15,537
Speaker 2: might be because Earc's looked impressive. We got like, like

1661
01:21:15,577 --> 01:21:18,217
Speaker 2: I said, there's still football left to play. I'm hardly

1662
01:21:18,258 --> 01:21:21,497
Speaker 2: locking this take in. Calvin Banks had a bad game

1663
01:21:21,537 --> 01:21:24,257
Speaker 2: against Georgia. I'll say that the guy who is facing

1664
01:21:24,298 --> 01:21:26,098
Speaker 2: for most of the game, Michael Williams, is going to

1665
01:21:26,138 --> 01:21:28,817
Speaker 2: be a top ten pick like and he wasn't healthy either,

1666
01:21:28,937 --> 01:21:31,458
Speaker 2: like stud and look, those are kind of guys are

1667
01:21:31,497 --> 01:21:32,937
Speaker 2: gonna need a block in the NFL. I don't mean

1668
01:21:32,978 --> 01:21:36,298
Speaker 2: to excuse that, but I still probably give Banks a

1669
01:21:36,338 --> 01:21:37,617
Speaker 2: shot even with the rough game.

1670
01:21:37,817 --> 01:21:39,458
Speaker 3: If he has more rough games. Again, I reserve the

1671
01:21:39,537 --> 01:21:40,418
Speaker 3: right to change my mind.

1672
01:21:40,697 --> 01:21:44,097
Speaker 2: But if you're unsure, and I'm a little more unsure

1673
01:21:44,098 --> 01:21:46,418
Speaker 2: about the tackles now than I was in say August,

1674
01:21:46,978 --> 01:21:50,977
Speaker 2: you could if Iersey really comes out and like Senior,

1675
01:21:51,058 --> 01:21:53,577
Speaker 2: he's got to go to Senior Bowl. Senior Bowl checks

1676
01:21:53,617 --> 01:21:57,497
Speaker 2: the boxes, combine impressive interviews well and Teed McMillan is

1677
01:21:57,497 --> 01:22:00,458
Speaker 2: the guy we think he is. If you tell me

1678
01:22:00,458 --> 01:22:02,018
Speaker 2: you can get a package of those two guys. I

1679
01:22:02,098 --> 01:22:03,697
Speaker 2: might be sold on it because I still think you're

1680
01:22:03,697 --> 01:22:06,577
Speaker 2: coming away with the potential franchise tackle. If it's well

1681
01:22:06,697 --> 01:22:10,418
Speaker 2: Josh Simmons off a blown knee or while why probably

1682
01:22:10,497 --> 01:22:12,497
Speaker 2: at Bard or whatever. Now I'm like, no, no, you

1683
01:22:12,577 --> 01:22:14,497
Speaker 2: don't have They have to come out of this draft

1684
01:22:14,497 --> 01:22:17,937
Speaker 2: with the potential franchise tackle. If ere C is one, Okay,

1685
01:22:18,258 --> 01:22:20,497
Speaker 2: If he's not, then you throw the whole tech McMillan

1686
01:22:20,577 --> 01:22:20,857
Speaker 2: thing out.

1687
01:22:20,897 --> 01:22:23,217
Speaker 4: I just feel like you're really splitting an atom there where,

1688
01:22:23,218 --> 01:22:23,897
Speaker 4: like you're trying.

1689
01:22:23,978 --> 01:22:29,617
Speaker 2: You're really you're trying to hit a real tight window

1690
01:22:29,657 --> 01:22:34,857
Speaker 2: throw right. Well, these dominos have to fall exactly how

1691
01:22:34,857 --> 01:22:37,137
Speaker 2: we think they're gonna fall to make this happen.

1692
01:22:37,218 --> 01:22:37,937
Speaker 3: We talked about this.

1693
01:22:38,058 --> 01:22:39,777
Speaker 2: How much do you trust Elliott Wolf at this point

1694
01:22:39,817 --> 01:22:41,258
Speaker 2: to do well? We talked about this last year when

1695
01:22:41,298 --> 01:22:43,298
Speaker 2: people wanted to trade down for the quarterback, right, I said,

1696
01:22:43,298 --> 01:22:44,937
Speaker 2: are you willing to bet your job on it? I'm

1697
01:22:44,937 --> 01:22:47,017
Speaker 2: not willing to bet my job on Arianta Airc yet

1698
01:22:47,058 --> 01:22:48,737
Speaker 2: and being able to find him with the trade down, yeah,

1699
01:22:48,737 --> 01:22:49,977
Speaker 2: maybe I'll get there. This is why I need you

1700
01:22:50,018 --> 01:22:52,937
Speaker 2: to watch him to tell me be more realistic, because

1701
01:22:52,978 --> 01:22:54,458
Speaker 2: you have better I for this stuff, Thann. I think

1702
01:22:54,458 --> 01:22:56,777
Speaker 2: he's a pretty good player, Like he's a pretty good prospect.

1703
01:22:56,978 --> 01:23:01,017
Speaker 2: He's a clear tier two tackle potential. Like who are

1704
01:23:01,058 --> 01:23:03,098
Speaker 2: the guys last year? Like a Mary's He's not in

1705
01:23:03,098 --> 01:23:05,657
Speaker 2: the Joe alt Olufa Shanu category, but like a Mary's Mims,

1706
01:23:06,098 --> 01:23:08,937
Speaker 2: j C. Latham who there was another guy in that

1707
01:23:09,138 --> 01:23:12,337
Speaker 2: cool Tyler Guyton who I really liked, like not necessarily

1708
01:23:12,338 --> 01:23:14,897
Speaker 2: player to player comp but like that tier of player.

1709
01:23:15,418 --> 01:23:17,178
Speaker 2: And we said last year, like if they walked away

1710
01:23:17,178 --> 01:23:18,857
Speaker 2: with Tyler Geyton, we would have felt good. If they

1711
01:23:18,857 --> 01:23:20,857
Speaker 2: walked away with the Mims, I think we had different

1712
01:23:20,857 --> 01:23:23,178
Speaker 2: opinions on but like that kind of player, we would

1713
01:23:23,218 --> 01:23:25,697
Speaker 2: have felt good. If he's that kind of player, we

1714
01:23:25,697 --> 01:23:27,458
Speaker 2: can have the conversation about Ted McMillan.

1715
01:23:27,617 --> 01:23:28,138
Speaker 3: If he's not.

1716
01:23:28,497 --> 01:23:31,577
Speaker 2: You can't, to your point, you can't take less than

1717
01:23:31,577 --> 01:23:34,537
Speaker 2: a tackle this year, you can't do it. You cannot

1718
01:23:34,537 --> 01:23:38,298
Speaker 2: do it. All right, let's get back to Ashen in Canada. Ashton,

1719
01:23:38,378 --> 01:23:42,017
Speaker 2: what's up, hey, guys, how are you doing? Yeah? Thanks

1720
01:23:42,018 --> 01:23:44,057
Speaker 2: for wayde Yeah.

1721
01:23:43,857 --> 01:23:45,937
Speaker 9: Of course, I just wanted to get your guys thoughts

1722
01:23:45,978 --> 01:23:49,178
Speaker 9: and what you've been seeing out of Martin MAFU this year.

1723
01:23:49,937 --> 01:23:52,338
Speaker 9: I've been watching him a little bit. Kind of looks

1724
01:23:52,378 --> 01:23:54,937
Speaker 9: like maybe some mixed bag results from what I've mis seeing,

1725
01:23:55,058 --> 01:23:56,577
Speaker 9: but I'm kind of excited about he can be in

1726
01:23:56,577 --> 01:23:59,897
Speaker 9: the next couple of years and then a couple more

1727
01:23:59,897 --> 01:24:01,817
Speaker 9: prospects for you guys. Just wanted to just killed in

1728
01:24:01,897 --> 01:24:05,777
Speaker 9: the Harold Bannon A tight end from Bowling Green. Pretty

1729
01:24:05,777 --> 01:24:09,017
Speaker 9: fun player, Pretty exciting to think about Drake Drake May

1730
01:24:09,058 --> 01:24:13,138
Speaker 9: throwing him the ball and then Bowland Pierce is the

1731
01:24:13,138 --> 01:24:18,657
Speaker 9: other one offensive tackle from Rutgers. Just an absolute sulking tackle,

1732
01:24:18,857 --> 01:24:20,817
Speaker 9: moves pretty well. Be kind of fun to see him

1733
01:24:20,817 --> 01:24:23,897
Speaker 9: in Peter system. Just want to see what you pissed thought.

1734
01:24:24,857 --> 01:24:27,418
Speaker 4: Thanks for the call, Ashen, and thanks for holding it

1735
01:24:27,857 --> 01:24:31,777
Speaker 4: again in terms of first question with Mapoo, and then

1736
01:24:31,777 --> 01:24:33,338
Speaker 4: I'll let you answer the second question.

1737
01:24:34,098 --> 01:24:34,698
Speaker 2: Mapoo.

1738
01:24:34,817 --> 01:24:37,937
Speaker 4: I am intrigued by the physical traits that he brings

1739
01:24:37,937 --> 01:24:41,537
Speaker 4: to the table. I think right now mentally he's swimming

1740
01:24:41,537 --> 01:24:41,777
Speaker 4: in it.

1741
01:24:41,737 --> 01:24:42,937
Speaker 2: A little bit, you know.

1742
01:24:43,058 --> 01:24:46,177
Speaker 4: Get just getting pulled out of passing lanes with play

1743
01:24:46,218 --> 01:24:49,657
Speaker 4: action has been an issue last couple of weeks. This

1744
01:24:49,737 --> 01:24:53,458
Speaker 4: week on the BTJ bomb that we were talking about earlier.

1745
01:24:53,657 --> 01:24:57,178
Speaker 4: I'm not like one hundred percent sure Mapu's assignment sound there.

1746
01:24:57,458 --> 01:25:00,098
Speaker 4: I don't know if he necessarily played that correctly, but

1747
01:25:00,218 --> 01:25:03,817
Speaker 4: those are like mental errors to me, not physical.

1748
01:25:03,897 --> 01:25:07,258
Speaker 2: So I'm intrigued that by the more the more that

1749
01:25:07,298 --> 01:25:09,617
Speaker 2: he plays and the more he downloads into the computer,

1750
01:25:09,617 --> 01:25:11,458
Speaker 2: because I do think he's a really smart kid, and

1751
01:25:11,497 --> 01:25:13,977
Speaker 2: I've talked to him about football a lot, and I

1752
01:25:13,978 --> 01:25:18,617
Speaker 2: think he's a really smart quick study, and right now

1753
01:25:18,657 --> 01:25:21,537
Speaker 2: he's just kind of learning on the fly, learning on

1754
01:25:21,617 --> 01:25:24,737
Speaker 2: the job. He hasn't practiced a ton in training camp

1755
01:25:24,817 --> 01:25:27,458
Speaker 2: over the last couple of years either. That probably hasn't helped.

1756
01:25:27,857 --> 01:25:31,178
Speaker 4: So the more experience that he gets intrigued by the

1757
01:25:31,178 --> 01:25:33,697
Speaker 4: skill set, I think that he's really you know, I've

1758
01:25:33,697 --> 01:25:35,497
Speaker 4: been intrigued by the skill set for a while. A

1759
01:25:35,497 --> 01:25:37,497
Speaker 4: guy that could play at the second level of a defense,

1760
01:25:37,537 --> 01:25:39,777
Speaker 4: play at the third level of a defense, play a

1761
01:25:39,817 --> 01:25:42,378
Speaker 4: little safety, play a little linebacker, play a little bit

1762
01:25:42,378 --> 01:25:45,817
Speaker 4: in the slot. He's got that kind of versatility and

1763
01:25:46,018 --> 01:25:48,617
Speaker 4: you know, just to wrap up that take, like, we

1764
01:25:48,657 --> 01:25:51,977
Speaker 4: don't really know right now the future for Jabriel Peppers

1765
01:25:52,298 --> 01:25:56,297
Speaker 4: with this team. If Jabriel Peppers is out of this picture,

1766
01:25:56,897 --> 01:25:59,697
Speaker 4: then I definitely think that Mapu has a similar type

1767
01:25:59,737 --> 01:26:01,937
Speaker 4: of skill set that could fill in for that and

1768
01:26:02,178 --> 01:26:03,577
Speaker 4: be that guy next to Duggar.

1769
01:26:03,937 --> 01:26:05,897
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I've liked what I've seen from him. The

1770
01:26:05,897 --> 01:26:07,977
Speaker 2: biggest thing for me, like he came right back off

1771
01:26:08,058 --> 01:26:11,178
Speaker 2: I R and was physical. Yeah, And we spent the

1772
01:26:11,178 --> 01:26:13,817
Speaker 2: first hour there there's no doubt about his physical ability.

1773
01:26:13,897 --> 01:26:15,977
Speaker 2: We spent the first hour of the show talking about

1774
01:26:15,978 --> 01:26:18,057
Speaker 2: how this team's not physical enough. Yeah, and they're missing

1775
01:26:18,458 --> 01:26:20,777
Speaker 2: part of physicalities. Like there's guys that set the tone,

1776
01:26:20,777 --> 01:26:23,097
Speaker 2: like a guy like Juwan Bentley who has that respect,

1777
01:26:23,138 --> 01:26:24,897
Speaker 2: who has that pedigree, is gonna come out and play

1778
01:26:24,897 --> 01:26:27,657
Speaker 2: a certain way, and guy's gonna gravitate towards playing that way.

1779
01:26:27,857 --> 01:26:30,177
Speaker 2: And they're missing that tone setter on defense because Pepper's

1780
01:26:30,178 --> 01:26:32,857
Speaker 2: another tone setter. They lost him. Cheu Dawn's another tone setter.

1781
01:26:32,897 --> 01:26:36,138
Speaker 2: Obviously he's not even anymore so Mapu because he's a

1782
01:26:36,138 --> 01:26:38,178
Speaker 2: younger guy. You know, he's got to grow into that

1783
01:26:38,258 --> 01:26:40,897
Speaker 2: leadership role. But like he's been a tone setter for

1784
01:26:40,937 --> 01:26:42,777
Speaker 2: them defense. So I really I've really liked what I've

1785
01:26:42,777 --> 01:26:44,378
Speaker 2: seen from him. A little bit of a drop off

1786
01:26:44,458 --> 01:26:46,378
Speaker 2: last week, but those first two games back, I thought

1787
01:26:46,418 --> 01:26:48,617
Speaker 2: he was you know, maybe their best defensive player.

1788
01:26:48,737 --> 01:26:51,497
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll take mental errors. If you're playing fast, Like

1789
01:26:51,537 --> 01:26:54,737
Speaker 4: if you're playing fast and you're playing physical, but you're

1790
01:26:54,817 --> 01:26:56,857
Speaker 4: just not quite there as a young player in this

1791
01:26:56,937 --> 01:27:00,418
Speaker 4: league mentally, then we can we can teach mentally, right,

1792
01:27:00,458 --> 01:27:03,577
Speaker 4: we can't. He can't teach you know, six two six three?

1793
01:27:03,978 --> 01:27:06,657
Speaker 4: Uh with a four five four six or whatever it

1794
01:27:06,697 --> 01:27:08,697
Speaker 4: is that he ran, Like, you can't you can't teach that.

1795
01:27:08,737 --> 01:27:10,697
Speaker 4: What what about the prospects you like?

1796
01:27:10,737 --> 01:27:11,178
Speaker 2: Any of those?

1797
01:27:11,577 --> 01:27:14,697
Speaker 3: So the guy from Rutgers is just like huge. Uh,

1798
01:27:14,737 --> 01:27:15,657
Speaker 3: he's one of these guys.

1799
01:27:15,697 --> 01:27:17,897
Speaker 2: It's just like massive. And look, they need more than

1800
01:27:17,897 --> 01:27:20,458
Speaker 2: one tackle, they need depth. You know, I'm always a

1801
01:27:20,458 --> 01:27:23,258
Speaker 2: fan of like, oh, three hundred sixty pounds tackle. Yeah,

1802
01:27:23,298 --> 01:27:24,977
Speaker 2: take him and take him late on day three and

1803
01:27:25,018 --> 01:27:27,777
Speaker 2: something you can do with them. But he's not like

1804
01:27:27,937 --> 01:27:31,017
Speaker 2: an answer or anything interesting player. I haven't done a

1805
01:27:31,018 --> 01:27:32,777
Speaker 2: ton on him, just because those guys I usually get

1806
01:27:32,777 --> 01:27:37,338
Speaker 2: into were more like January February, Harold Fannon is a

1807
01:27:37,378 --> 01:27:39,657
Speaker 2: fun one, right Bowling Green. When's the last time we

1808
01:27:39,657 --> 01:27:43,657
Speaker 2: talked about a Bowling Green player? Like just kind of

1809
01:27:43,777 --> 01:27:48,737
Speaker 2: pure eliete receiving tight end a little undersized, good athlete.

1810
01:27:49,817 --> 01:27:51,697
Speaker 2: I know people probably hear that and think Shaheen Bell.

1811
01:27:51,978 --> 01:27:54,577
Speaker 2: Know he's like a better player, much more polished player,

1812
01:27:54,857 --> 01:27:58,657
Speaker 2: more of a true receiving tight end. He's gonna we'll

1813
01:27:58,657 --> 01:28:00,617
Speaker 2: see what his Senior Bowl is gonna be big for him.

1814
01:28:00,937 --> 01:28:03,937
Speaker 2: Right now, he's projected top one hundred. I think that's

1815
01:28:03,978 --> 01:28:06,057
Speaker 2: a little rich for them for a tight end if

1816
01:28:06,098 --> 01:28:07,857
Speaker 2: they are going to go in that range and this

1817
01:28:07,978 --> 01:28:11,657
Speaker 2: guy a little higher but similar range. Tyler Warren from

1818
01:28:11,697 --> 01:28:14,657
Speaker 2: Penn State, Yeah, he can play. Snapped it.

1819
01:28:14,857 --> 01:28:17,298
Speaker 3: He snapped it, and he caught a touchdown on the pass.

1820
01:28:17,338 --> 01:28:18,577
Speaker 3: He snapped it.

1821
01:28:18,697 --> 01:28:21,937
Speaker 2: Bill Belichapick, I mean Penn State tight end, Like, what

1822
01:28:21,978 --> 01:28:22,817
Speaker 2: more do I need to say?

1823
01:28:22,857 --> 01:28:23,017
Speaker 6: Right?

1824
01:28:23,098 --> 01:28:25,537
Speaker 3: Good player? And then I'm still interested. He's had a

1825
01:28:25,577 --> 01:28:27,977
Speaker 3: little bit of a down year. I still love the

1826
01:28:28,058 --> 01:28:31,138
Speaker 3: idea of because it's it's a develop mental play. You're

1827
01:28:31,138 --> 01:28:32,697
Speaker 3: not drafting a tight end for this year. He's still

1828
01:28:32,777 --> 01:28:33,497
Speaker 3: hunter Henry.

1829
01:28:33,258 --> 01:28:35,657
Speaker 2: Who's been good. So who can you get on Day three?

1830
01:28:36,058 --> 01:28:39,417
Speaker 2: And tight end also traditionally is like the slowest developing

1831
01:28:39,418 --> 01:28:43,177
Speaker 2: position tight ends Sam Laporta, except Sam Laporta is a freak.

1832
01:28:43,458 --> 01:28:46,617
Speaker 2: Tight Ends produce less as rookies than any other position

1833
01:28:46,657 --> 01:28:50,258
Speaker 2: besides quarterback, which is obviously like a unique thing. I

1834
01:28:50,298 --> 01:28:52,817
Speaker 2: still can't get over the idea of Bryson Nesbit, who's

1835
01:28:52,857 --> 01:28:55,338
Speaker 2: had a down year, So do you go get him

1836
01:28:55,458 --> 01:28:58,017
Speaker 2: later on day three out of UNC put him back

1837
01:28:58,018 --> 01:28:58,937
Speaker 2: with Drake May.

1838
01:28:58,897 --> 01:29:00,898
Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets a year to truly.

1839
01:29:00,617 --> 01:29:03,577
Speaker 2: Develop behind the scenes, like I'm gonna be a big

1840
01:29:03,657 --> 01:29:05,617
Speaker 2: Bryson Nesbit guy during the draft. I'll just warn you

1841
01:29:05,697 --> 01:29:08,458
Speaker 2: right now, I'm so into that concept.

1842
01:29:08,577 --> 01:29:11,857
Speaker 4: I'm into it too, I actually am. And the other

1843
01:29:11,897 --> 01:29:15,057
Speaker 4: guy too is it's Hampton, right, the running back of Hampton?

1844
01:29:15,258 --> 01:29:17,777
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he mentioned Rutgers. I wanted to say this.

1845
01:29:18,418 --> 01:29:20,418
Speaker 2: I I got to look up what you're this guy is,

1846
01:29:20,458 --> 01:29:22,418
Speaker 2: so I'll let you talk for a second. I think

1847
01:29:22,458 --> 01:29:27,338
Speaker 2: he's draft eligible. They have a running back who is

1848
01:29:27,537 --> 01:29:30,737
Speaker 2: a and you remember how much I liked Isaiah Checko

1849
01:29:30,777 --> 01:29:33,098
Speaker 2: coming out there, Like I was crushed. I thought I

1850
01:29:33,178 --> 01:29:35,697
Speaker 2: had found like a diamond because nobody's talking about it

1851
01:29:35,697 --> 01:29:40,777
Speaker 2: and dim Andy Reid right and the two people. Okay,

1852
01:29:40,777 --> 01:29:47,137
Speaker 2: so Kylemanong guy is a senior like really similar player. Yeah, quick,

1853
01:29:47,697 --> 01:29:52,817
Speaker 2: shifty runs, angry, can catch the football like, isn't shy

1854
01:29:52,817 --> 01:29:55,137
Speaker 2: and he he can, he can take a big workload,

1855
01:29:55,178 --> 01:29:58,298
Speaker 2: he can be involved. Kylemanong, guy, you watch this guy

1856
01:29:58,338 --> 01:30:02,217
Speaker 2: when you watch Rutgers, Like he looks different. He looks

1857
01:30:02,737 --> 01:30:04,857
Speaker 2: he like you're watching Rutgers. You're all right, you know

1858
01:30:04,937 --> 01:30:06,897
Speaker 2: it's a you know, lower tier Big ten team.

1859
01:30:06,937 --> 01:30:07,177
Speaker 3: Whatever.

1860
01:30:07,497 --> 01:30:09,497
Speaker 2: He looks like he should be at Iowa or at

1861
01:30:09,537 --> 01:30:13,777
Speaker 2: Wisconsin or at Michigan. The dude can play that. He's physical,

1862
01:30:14,018 --> 01:30:17,338
Speaker 2: he's a tone, and he's shifting in the open field like, uh,

1863
01:30:17,537 --> 01:30:19,777
Speaker 2: kyleman On, guy's another one. We'll see where he goes.

1864
01:30:20,138 --> 01:30:23,977
Speaker 2: This running back class is so stacked. This is a

1865
01:30:24,018 --> 01:30:25,737
Speaker 2: guy that normally we would talk about being a top

1866
01:30:25,777 --> 01:30:27,338
Speaker 2: one hundred pick and you would row your eyes and

1867
01:30:27,378 --> 01:30:30,018
Speaker 2: be like, they can't, they can't. Whatever that's true. You

1868
01:30:30,098 --> 01:30:32,737
Speaker 2: might be get him like one fifty. We'll see how

1869
01:30:32,777 --> 01:30:34,218
Speaker 2: some of this other the rest of his class shakes

1870
01:30:34,218 --> 01:30:37,458
Speaker 2: out with that. Remember the wide receiver class spending all

1871
01:30:37,577 --> 01:30:39,338
Speaker 2: last year time on running backs all Remember the wide

1872
01:30:39,338 --> 01:30:41,017
Speaker 2: receiver class last year. How we were just like, oh

1873
01:30:41,058 --> 01:30:43,338
Speaker 2: my god, like this is insane. It was insane.

1874
01:30:43,577 --> 01:30:44,817
Speaker 3: That's the running backs this year?

1875
01:30:45,378 --> 01:30:45,657
Speaker 2: Great?

1876
01:30:46,058 --> 01:30:49,858
Speaker 4: Uh really quickly, just though the two North Carolina.

1877
01:30:49,497 --> 01:30:51,418
Speaker 3: Kids yeah, so, but Hampton's good too.

1878
01:30:51,418 --> 01:30:52,138
Speaker 2: I'd like Hampton too.

1879
01:30:52,178 --> 01:30:55,057
Speaker 4: S So both of them ran routes for Drake May

1880
01:30:55,098 --> 01:30:57,657
Speaker 4: at his per day, and I was impressed with both guys.

1881
01:30:57,817 --> 01:31:01,937
Speaker 2: I thought both guys really moved very really really well.

1882
01:31:02,218 --> 01:31:04,497
Speaker 4: I think like Hampton would be in nice you know,

1883
01:31:04,537 --> 01:31:07,497
Speaker 4: not to push Antonio Gibson out necessarily, but like a

1884
01:31:07,577 --> 01:31:11,737
Speaker 4: nice complimenter Andre Stevenson and uh Nes bit right a

1885
01:31:11,777 --> 01:31:14,617
Speaker 4: tight end. Yeah, I mean Drake May and at his

1886
01:31:14,697 --> 01:31:17,018
Speaker 4: pro day was rifling some throws up the seam to

1887
01:31:17,098 --> 01:31:19,298
Speaker 4: that kid that I think he's gonna be a good

1888
01:31:19,338 --> 01:31:20,137
Speaker 4: player in the league.

1889
01:31:20,218 --> 01:31:21,817
Speaker 3: Well, so I will say this on Hampton.

1890
01:31:21,857 --> 01:31:23,777
Speaker 2: The reason I'm less excited about that, I just said,

1891
01:31:23,897 --> 01:31:25,497
Speaker 2: we can have fun with kalhim and on guy because

1892
01:31:25,497 --> 01:31:26,897
Speaker 2: he's going to go on a spot where the Patriots

1893
01:31:26,897 --> 01:31:27,458
Speaker 2: can take him.

1894
01:31:27,537 --> 01:31:29,537
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hampton might end up being top one hundred.

1895
01:31:29,657 --> 01:31:30,458
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a good player.

1896
01:31:30,497 --> 01:31:33,097
Speaker 3: So that that might be, especially for you, a little

1897
01:31:33,178 --> 01:31:33,857
Speaker 3: less realistic.

1898
01:31:33,978 --> 01:31:36,937
Speaker 2: All right, Todd is in North Carolina. What's up, Todd?

1899
01:31:38,138 --> 01:31:39,178
Speaker 5: Hey, gentlemen, can hear me?

1900
01:31:39,657 --> 01:31:41,057
Speaker 2: Yes, yep? What you got?

1901
01:31:41,098 --> 01:31:44,458
Speaker 5: Perfect? So I've been listening to the playbook and I'm

1902
01:31:44,458 --> 01:31:47,537
Speaker 5: getting kind of tired of mister rook keeps saying that

1903
01:31:47,537 --> 01:31:51,537
Speaker 5: we're in the business of winning, winning, winning. They're in

1904
01:31:51,537 --> 01:31:54,458
Speaker 5: the business of building a team. That's what this is about.

1905
01:31:54,458 --> 01:31:56,697
Speaker 5: You're not going to get to winning. They keeps skipping that.

1906
01:31:57,138 --> 01:31:59,258
Speaker 5: And I'm thought back a bit, and I think that

1907
01:31:59,458 --> 01:32:01,418
Speaker 5: Bill might have been in that same business for the

1908
01:32:01,497 --> 01:32:04,218
Speaker 5: last couple of years, casing records and stuff, and that's

1909
01:32:04,218 --> 01:32:09,537
Speaker 5: why he drafted players that weren't weren't going to build

1910
01:32:09,537 --> 01:32:12,097
Speaker 5: a team, but might actually help him win right there

1911
01:32:12,138 --> 01:32:14,657
Speaker 5: and then. And now we've got to be patient and

1912
01:32:14,697 --> 01:32:16,577
Speaker 5: try to build the team. And that includes the coaches,

1913
01:32:16,617 --> 01:32:20,537
Speaker 5: because we got our rookie offensive play caller, we got

1914
01:32:20,537 --> 01:32:23,737
Speaker 5: a rookie coach, we've got a rookie defensive player caller,

1915
01:32:24,178 --> 01:32:29,017
Speaker 5: and a rookie quarterback. And everybody's complaining. Boston media seems

1916
01:32:29,058 --> 01:32:31,857
Speaker 5: to be most horrible I've ever seen when it comes

1917
01:32:31,857 --> 01:32:35,617
Speaker 5: to being impatient and let stuff work. So I don't

1918
01:32:35,617 --> 01:32:37,338
Speaker 5: know what you guys feel, but I don't think you

1919
01:32:38,018 --> 01:32:39,857
Speaker 5: are in the business of winning. You're in the business

1920
01:32:39,857 --> 01:32:42,258
Speaker 5: of building a team. I'll take the answer up there.

1921
01:32:42,298 --> 01:32:45,137
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Thanks Todd, And look, I get what Todd

1922
01:32:45,178 --> 01:32:47,577
Speaker 2: is saying Noel belichickism, it's not about collecting talent, it's

1923
01:32:47,577 --> 01:32:48,338
Speaker 2: about these Yeah.

1924
01:32:48,338 --> 01:32:50,537
Speaker 4: But I think he's also meant you're just saying, you know,

1925
01:32:51,338 --> 01:32:54,657
Speaker 4: the expectations for the team this year, we're low and

1926
01:32:54,697 --> 01:32:57,258
Speaker 4: now here we are at one and six, and everybody's

1927
01:32:57,537 --> 01:33:01,418
Speaker 4: is jumping off the boat right like, and everyone's raaking out,

1928
01:33:01,817 --> 01:33:04,657
Speaker 4: And I get what he is saying. I guess my

1929
01:33:04,777 --> 01:33:09,378
Speaker 4: only pushback to what he was saying is that you

1930
01:33:09,497 --> 01:33:14,657
Speaker 4: can be a four to five win football team as

1931
01:33:14,697 --> 01:33:18,298
Speaker 4: a young up and coming team in this league and

1932
01:33:18,418 --> 01:33:21,657
Speaker 4: have it not look like a dumpster fire right right.

1933
01:33:21,697 --> 01:33:25,057
Speaker 4: And I'm I'm talking on and off the field like

1934
01:33:26,018 --> 01:33:27,897
Speaker 4: we and we got an email too, So I guess

1935
01:33:27,897 --> 01:33:31,378
Speaker 4: I'll tie this in. I just ask, like, what you

1936
01:33:31,458 --> 01:33:35,178
Speaker 4: and I would say is success the rest of the way,

1937
01:33:36,018 --> 01:33:38,097
Speaker 4: and to me, is success the rest of the way

1938
01:33:38,937 --> 01:33:42,497
Speaker 4: is not necessarily anything tangible, Like it's not like I'm saying,

1939
01:33:42,617 --> 01:33:44,378
Speaker 4: be a top ten offense for the rest of the

1940
01:33:44,458 --> 01:33:47,097
Speaker 4: year or something like that. It's more of a feel

1941
01:33:47,178 --> 01:33:52,017
Speaker 4: thing of like, are they is the program pointed in.

1942
01:33:51,978 --> 01:33:54,938
Speaker 2: The right direction? Are you seeing progress? Are you seeing progress?

1943
01:33:55,018 --> 01:33:58,057
Speaker 2: Are you seeing good things on the field? But also

1944
01:33:58,138 --> 01:34:02,057
Speaker 2: you know, we've had a lot of conversations lately about

1945
01:34:02,098 --> 01:34:04,497
Speaker 2: the receiver room and what's coming out of that room

1946
01:34:04,577 --> 01:34:07,977
Speaker 2: right now, and guys talking and guys having issues and

1947
01:34:08,018 --> 01:34:10,897
Speaker 2: things like that, Like if that stuff gets buttoned up,

1948
01:34:10,937 --> 01:34:13,698
Speaker 2: if that stuff get cleaned up and there's less rumors

1949
01:34:13,937 --> 01:34:16,777
Speaker 2: about what's going on in a position group, or there's

1950
01:34:16,897 --> 01:34:20,098
Speaker 2: less you know, issues off the field and issues with

1951
01:34:20,418 --> 01:34:23,337
Speaker 2: you know, attitude and you know that kind of stuff,

1952
01:34:23,577 --> 01:34:26,178
Speaker 2: those types of things that those things improve and those

1953
01:34:26,258 --> 01:34:30,177
Speaker 2: become buttoned up and they're playing more competitively on Sundays

1954
01:34:30,178 --> 01:34:33,057
Speaker 2: and not getting blown out by twenty points every single week.

1955
01:34:33,378 --> 01:34:35,657
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be wins and losses, but the

1956
01:34:36,418 --> 01:34:40,378
Speaker 2: arrow has to be pointed in the right direction. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

1957
01:34:40,458 --> 01:34:42,537
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I think it's all about growth

1958
01:34:42,577 --> 01:34:44,897
Speaker 2: and progress, right, and it's not necessarily gonna be linear,

1959
01:34:44,897 --> 01:34:47,258
Speaker 2: but you can't go negative either. Basically, to me, a

1960
01:34:47,298 --> 01:34:50,378
Speaker 2: successful season is they look like a better football team

1961
01:34:50,537 --> 01:34:51,977
Speaker 2: week eighteen than they did week.

1962
01:34:51,817 --> 01:34:54,657
Speaker 4: One, exactly, and right now they look like they're getting worse.

1963
01:34:54,737 --> 01:34:57,817
Speaker 2: Right, But it might go you know, okay, so you

1964
01:34:57,857 --> 01:35:00,137
Speaker 2: know you're better, and I'm trying to remember specific games.

1965
01:35:00,178 --> 01:35:02,378
Speaker 2: I can't so excuse me if I'm wrong with the numbers, Like,

1966
01:35:02,657 --> 01:35:04,937
Speaker 2: all right, you were better week six than you were

1967
01:35:05,018 --> 01:35:06,458
Speaker 2: week seven. You took a little bit of a step

1968
01:35:06,458 --> 01:35:07,737
Speaker 2: back going in a week seven. Then you were better

1969
01:35:07,817 --> 01:35:09,378
Speaker 2: in week eight than you were worse than nine and ten,

1970
01:35:09,418 --> 01:35:11,977
Speaker 2: and you were better in eleven. Like do you end

1971
01:35:12,058 --> 01:35:14,017
Speaker 2: up up at the end of the year? Are you

1972
01:35:14,058 --> 01:35:16,338
Speaker 2: building something? Do we see progress? That's basically what it

1973
01:35:16,338 --> 01:35:18,017
Speaker 2: comes down to for me. Yeah. I mean, look when

1974
01:35:18,018 --> 01:35:19,217
Speaker 2: we were talking about when.

1975
01:35:19,018 --> 01:35:20,298
Speaker 3: I just said they were better in week.

1976
01:35:20,218 --> 01:35:23,537
Speaker 2: Six, that was a pretty bad game for them, wasn't it.

1977
01:35:23,857 --> 01:35:28,897
Speaker 2: I'm using imaginary numbers there. Don't apply that to specific games, Okay,

1978
01:35:28,978 --> 01:35:29,817
Speaker 2: I got what you're saying.

1979
01:35:29,937 --> 01:35:33,338
Speaker 4: Yeah, the last Like, let's take the last month of

1980
01:35:33,338 --> 01:35:36,378
Speaker 4: the season. Right, in the last month of the season,

1981
01:35:36,378 --> 01:35:37,697
Speaker 4: can you can you go two and two?

1982
01:35:38,218 --> 01:35:38,977
Speaker 2: Right? You can?

1983
01:35:39,018 --> 01:35:40,937
Speaker 4: You can you win a game maybe you're not supposed

1984
01:35:40,978 --> 01:35:43,338
Speaker 4: to win down the stretch and Drake may throw's for

1985
01:35:43,458 --> 01:35:46,537
Speaker 4: three point fifty against Buffalo and upsets Josh Allen, Like,

1986
01:35:46,577 --> 01:35:48,897
Speaker 4: can we if you have those types of games down

1987
01:35:48,978 --> 01:35:50,697
Speaker 4: the stretch, then we're all gonna go into the off

1988
01:35:50,697 --> 01:35:51,777
Speaker 4: season feeling pretty good.

1989
01:35:51,817 --> 01:35:53,418
Speaker 2: Any know else is gonna go to the offseason feeling

1990
01:35:53,418 --> 01:35:56,617
Speaker 2: pretty good about Patriots players around the league, Right, we're

1991
01:35:56,617 --> 01:35:58,777
Speaker 2: gonna want new contracts or one out for trades or

1992
01:35:58,817 --> 01:35:59,338
Speaker 2: things like that.

1993
01:35:59,418 --> 01:36:03,777
Speaker 4: And that's important, all right, really quickly, Whether you're preparing

1994
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1995
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1996
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1998
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1999
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2000
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2002
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2003
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2004
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2005
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2006
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2007
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2008
01:36:52,298 --> 01:36:56,258
Speaker 4: all right. Eldred is in North Carolina, what's up, Eldred?

2009
01:36:59,458 --> 01:37:00,057
Speaker 2: He you there.

2010
01:37:00,138 --> 01:37:00,777
Speaker 3: Eldred's up.

2011
01:37:00,897 --> 01:37:04,857
Speaker 4: Eldred, all right, call us back, Eldred and we'll get

2012
01:37:04,897 --> 01:37:11,097
Speaker 4: you on the air. Justina is in North Carolina. It's up, Justina.

2013
01:37:12,258 --> 01:37:13,017
Speaker 4: What's going on?

2014
01:37:15,018 --> 01:37:19,658
Speaker 6: My thing is what I what My an analysis is

2015
01:37:19,697 --> 01:37:25,977
Speaker 6: that the pain are not don't have competence in Mayo

2016
01:37:26,497 --> 01:37:32,258
Speaker 6: because they let them play. They let Jacobe played for

2017
01:37:32,338 --> 01:37:37,418
Speaker 6: so long, and you know that Mayo had one was

2018
01:37:37,817 --> 01:37:42,737
Speaker 6: pulling for Drake to play at the beginning. But when

2019
01:37:42,777 --> 01:37:47,777
Speaker 6: they let when they let Jakobe play and lose so many,

2020
01:37:47,777 --> 01:37:49,178
Speaker 6: they should have put I think they.

2021
01:37:49,098 --> 01:37:54,138
Speaker 7: Should have put may in for sooner. If they had

2022
01:37:54,138 --> 01:37:59,657
Speaker 7: put him in sooner, then he probably would have He

2023
01:37:59,657 --> 01:38:02,458
Speaker 7: probably would They probably would have more respect as far

2024
01:38:02,458 --> 01:38:06,097
Speaker 7: as him being the CEO, as far as Mayo being

2025
01:38:06,138 --> 01:38:09,937
Speaker 7: the CEO. But they're like you, you knew that Drake

2026
01:38:10,058 --> 01:38:12,497
Speaker 7: was Drake was better, You even said it, and you're

2027
01:38:12,577 --> 01:38:16,897
Speaker 7: letting us lose these games. You're not managing the He

2028
01:38:16,937 --> 01:38:19,737
Speaker 7: should have said something sooner, or he should have maybe put.

2029
01:38:19,537 --> 01:38:21,777
Speaker 5: May in like a that one.

2030
01:38:21,657 --> 01:38:25,657
Speaker 7: Half or something. I mean, I'm not all against the

2031
01:38:25,737 --> 01:38:30,857
Speaker 7: fact that they did play. They did play Jakobe because

2032
01:38:30,897 --> 01:38:33,537
Speaker 7: now you can see the difference. You can see, you know,

2033
01:38:33,978 --> 01:38:40,897
Speaker 7: the the respect there, and I don't think I don't

2034
01:38:41,058 --> 01:38:43,937
Speaker 7: you can see that that made it a better coach.

2035
01:38:43,978 --> 01:38:47,298
Speaker 7: So I think I think he was. He's given more

2036
01:38:47,458 --> 01:38:51,418
Speaker 7: power to the offensive coach. And I'm not saying that

2037
01:38:53,697 --> 01:38:57,697
Speaker 7: ADP was totally on point. As far as I'm giving

2038
01:38:58,218 --> 01:39:01,777
Speaker 7: I'm giving May some credit for his play because the

2039
01:39:01,857 --> 01:39:05,178
Speaker 7: same coach was coaching Jacoby, but you didn't see that

2040
01:39:05,897 --> 01:39:09,937
Speaker 7: the same outcome in Jacoby. So I give give May

2041
01:39:10,058 --> 01:39:12,777
Speaker 7: some credit to for what for how successful he is.

2042
01:39:13,697 --> 01:39:17,857
Speaker 7: And I just think that the May May as first

2043
01:39:17,897 --> 01:39:19,737
Speaker 7: year coach, is saying that he wanted to be a

2044
01:39:19,817 --> 01:39:22,058
Speaker 7: cl but he's not a CEO. Like you said, he

2045
01:39:22,138 --> 01:39:24,537
Speaker 7: needs to take over the defense, and he should have

2046
01:39:24,577 --> 01:39:28,218
Speaker 7: stepped in and had had made play sooner, and I

2047
01:39:28,258 --> 01:39:33,418
Speaker 7: think the team would be more and trust what he's

2048
01:39:33,458 --> 01:39:36,338
Speaker 7: doing more. But definite take.

2049
01:39:36,697 --> 01:39:38,737
Speaker 2: Thanks Justin, and thanks for the call. It's a good take.

2050
01:39:38,817 --> 01:39:40,577
Speaker 2: I I agree with a lot of what she said,

2051
01:39:40,577 --> 01:39:41,937
Speaker 2: as you know you do.

2052
01:39:43,577 --> 01:39:45,937
Speaker 4: I think that the biggest thing that that she said

2053
01:39:45,937 --> 01:39:49,057
Speaker 4: that I disagree with in a lot of ways, and

2054
01:39:49,098 --> 01:39:51,937
Speaker 4: this goes back to our whole conversation off the top

2055
01:39:51,937 --> 01:39:54,298
Speaker 4: of the show, not that conversation a couple of weeks ago.

2056
01:39:54,338 --> 01:39:58,737
Speaker 4: It goes it goes back to I see you a

2057
01:39:58,777 --> 01:40:01,137
Speaker 4: couple of weeks, a couple of weeks ago, a couple

2058
01:40:01,178 --> 01:40:03,137
Speaker 4: of hours ago. Now, at the beginning of the show,

2059
01:40:03,138 --> 01:40:06,418
Speaker 4: we were talking about like culture building versus a strategist

2060
01:40:06,418 --> 01:40:07,618
Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff.

2061
01:40:08,298 --> 01:40:10,298
Speaker 2: I would put.

2062
01:40:09,897 --> 01:40:14,897
Speaker 4: Mayo, not may Mayo saying that Drake may outplayed Jacobe

2063
01:40:14,897 --> 01:40:20,817
Speaker 4: Brissett into that category of culture builder. Cannot say that, right, Like,

2064
01:40:20,978 --> 01:40:24,937
Speaker 4: culture builder can't say that because that sets the team

2065
01:40:25,018 --> 01:40:28,097
Speaker 4: up and drawed Mayo up for well, if this guy

2066
01:40:28,178 --> 01:40:30,977
Speaker 4: is better than that guy, why is that guy playing?

2067
01:40:31,218 --> 01:40:31,418
Speaker 5: Right?

2068
01:40:31,497 --> 01:40:33,298
Speaker 4: So, like, these are the things in the media that

2069
01:40:33,777 --> 01:40:38,697
Speaker 4: I I don't necessarily care a ton about. But if

2070
01:40:38,737 --> 01:40:41,617
Speaker 4: you're trying to be culture guy, you're trying to be

2071
01:40:41,657 --> 01:40:46,258
Speaker 4: personality higher uh ceo head coach, then you need to

2072
01:40:47,258 --> 01:40:51,017
Speaker 4: avoid throwing players in people under the bus that are

2073
01:40:51,098 --> 01:40:54,537
Speaker 4: underneath you, because you need those guys to be bought in,

2074
01:40:54,697 --> 01:40:59,298
Speaker 4: like right now, again just my opinion, my opinion. Do

2075
01:40:59,298 --> 01:41:02,098
Speaker 4: you think Jacoby bris said is thrilled with the situation

2076
01:41:02,378 --> 01:41:05,178
Speaker 4: and how things go down? Jacoby pre SAT's going out

2077
01:41:05,178 --> 01:41:07,897
Speaker 4: there on Sundays and he's still wearing a seat on

2078
01:41:07,937 --> 01:41:08,497
Speaker 4: his jersey.

2079
01:41:08,537 --> 01:41:10,977
Speaker 2: He's a captain of this team. So these are the

2080
01:41:11,018 --> 01:41:15,897
Speaker 2: things that if you're trying to be Campbell, Tomlin, Carol,

2081
01:41:16,218 --> 01:41:18,497
Speaker 2: like one of those types of guys, like these are

2082
01:41:18,537 --> 01:41:20,577
Speaker 2: the things that can come back to bite you when

2083
01:41:20,577 --> 01:41:25,977
Speaker 2: you say it in the media. Yea, is it? That's it?

2084
01:41:26,018 --> 01:41:28,258
Speaker 2: You don't have a take. I agree with you, like

2085
01:41:28,258 --> 01:41:30,937
Speaker 2: like you know, well, I've just agree with the picture.

2086
01:41:31,018 --> 01:41:33,458
Speaker 2: Like I obviously was fine with them sitting him. I

2087
01:41:33,458 --> 01:41:35,298
Speaker 2: think they could they have played it one week earlier.

2088
01:41:35,537 --> 01:41:36,058
Speaker 3: I've said this.

2089
01:41:36,218 --> 01:41:39,458
Speaker 2: I just based off some reports to me wrapport around

2090
01:41:39,458 --> 01:41:41,497
Speaker 2: that time. I do think they wanted to play him

2091
01:41:41,497 --> 01:41:43,617
Speaker 2: in the Dolphins game and David Andrews injury push that

2092
01:41:43,697 --> 01:41:48,817
Speaker 2: back a week definitely possible. But yeah, I think girod

2093
01:41:48,857 --> 01:41:53,338
Speaker 2: Mayo's kind of said as much since. But besides that, like, yeah,

2094
01:41:53,378 --> 01:41:56,337
Speaker 2: there definitely is a different tone which drake me at quarterback.

2095
01:41:57,178 --> 01:41:59,777
Speaker 4: All right, let's get some of these emails too. I

2096
01:41:59,857 --> 01:42:02,458
Speaker 4: know we'll get to the call. I want to get

2097
01:42:02,458 --> 01:42:07,458
Speaker 4: to this email though. Danny from Chicago, subject line AVP

2098
01:42:07,897 --> 01:42:10,737
Speaker 4: one and done. Question Mark says he loves the show

2099
01:42:10,897 --> 01:42:14,577
Speaker 4: is just wondering our outlook on Alex van Pelt this season.

2100
01:42:15,098 --> 01:42:18,497
Speaker 4: Is he a one and done candidate, and some names

2101
01:42:18,537 --> 01:42:20,617
Speaker 4: that maybe could replace him. I don't want to get

2102
01:42:20,657 --> 01:42:23,697
Speaker 4: to the names quite yet because I go back to

2103
01:42:23,737 --> 01:42:25,378
Speaker 4: what I was saying earlier in the show and we

2104
01:42:25,378 --> 01:42:29,057
Speaker 4: were breaking down Drake May. I actually feel like they've

2105
01:42:29,138 --> 01:42:32,418
Speaker 4: done a nice job with and like I said then,

2106
01:42:32,577 --> 01:42:34,458
Speaker 4: like I feel like he's prepared. I feel like he's

2107
01:42:34,497 --> 01:42:37,097
Speaker 4: ready to play, and justin brings up a good point

2108
01:42:37,138 --> 01:42:39,298
Speaker 4: like that, he deserves credit for that too. You know

2109
01:42:39,338 --> 01:42:41,258
Speaker 4: that he's he's got his hand in that as well.

2110
01:42:41,937 --> 01:42:45,458
Speaker 4: But I have said this before and I feel the

2111
01:42:45,458 --> 01:42:49,817
Speaker 4: same way. There's a chance, and I'm going to cross

2112
01:42:49,817 --> 01:42:52,977
Speaker 4: sports here for a second, there's a chance that Alex

2113
01:42:53,098 --> 01:42:56,338
Speaker 4: van Pelt is Mark Jackson and they need Steve Kerr

2114
01:42:56,418 --> 01:43:00,537
Speaker 4: down the line, right, And if by saying that, if

2115
01:43:00,577 --> 01:43:03,618
Speaker 4: Alex van Pelt does a really nice job of developing

2116
01:43:03,737 --> 01:43:07,058
Speaker 4: Drake May, then I wouldn't necessarily want to pull the

2117
01:43:07,138 --> 01:43:09,497
Speaker 4: rug out from underneath that just because we don't love

2118
01:43:09,537 --> 01:43:13,017
Speaker 4: the scheme right that he's running, or we don't love

2119
01:43:13,098 --> 01:43:15,897
Speaker 4: that he's not this like super innovative. You know, tight

2120
01:43:15,978 --> 01:43:19,338
Speaker 4: pant offensive coordinator like we like to joke about. But

2121
01:43:20,378 --> 01:43:23,737
Speaker 4: I wouldn't necessarily pull him from that if Drake May's

2122
01:43:24,617 --> 01:43:28,137
Speaker 4: development is continuing to go on an upward trajectory. Now

2123
01:43:28,617 --> 01:43:31,617
Speaker 4: in two to three years, if Drake May is a

2124
01:43:31,617 --> 01:43:35,017
Speaker 4: finished product and Van Pelt's done his job, and then

2125
01:43:35,098 --> 01:43:38,098
Speaker 4: girod Mayo, whoever the head coaches, decides, hey, you know

2126
01:43:38,138 --> 01:43:40,418
Speaker 4: we need somebody that's a little bit more innovative, a

2127
01:43:40,418 --> 01:43:44,458
Speaker 4: little bit more schematically savvy than Alex van Pelt, then

2128
01:43:44,937 --> 01:43:47,817
Speaker 4: then go for it. But I wouldn't necessarily pull the

2129
01:43:47,817 --> 01:43:51,938
Speaker 4: plug now because I think you are seeing mechanical improvements,

2130
01:43:52,058 --> 01:43:55,258
Speaker 4: footwork improvements. He looks like he knows what he's looking

2131
01:43:55,298 --> 01:43:58,217
Speaker 4: at and reading the field well. And I wouldn't want

2132
01:43:58,258 --> 01:44:01,977
Speaker 4: to do that just because we're gonna hire a Cliff

2133
01:44:02,058 --> 01:44:04,178
Speaker 4: Kingsbury type that draws up better plays well.

2134
01:44:04,218 --> 01:44:06,218
Speaker 2: Alex Van Pelts a heck of a quarterbacks coach. Yeah,

2135
01:44:06,218 --> 01:44:07,577
Speaker 2: you know, we can debate him as a as an

2136
01:44:07,577 --> 01:44:10,617
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. He's a heck of quarterbacks coach. And yeah,

2137
01:44:10,657 --> 01:44:11,857
Speaker 2: I don't know that I want to pull the rug

2138
01:44:11,857 --> 01:44:14,258
Speaker 2: on that just yet. The one thing I do wonder is,

2139
01:44:15,138 --> 01:44:18,657
Speaker 2: look the record's not gonna be great. It might not

2140
01:44:18,777 --> 01:44:23,537
Speaker 2: be an improvement from last year. I don't think Girod

2141
01:44:23,577 --> 01:44:25,418
Speaker 2: Mayo is getting one and done. I don't think Elliot

2142
01:44:25,418 --> 01:44:28,298
Speaker 2: Wolf's getting one and done. Yeah, for a number of

2143
01:44:28,338 --> 01:44:31,138
Speaker 2: different reasons. I just should it happen. We can debate that,

2144
01:44:31,657 --> 01:44:34,298
Speaker 2: Crystal Ball. I don't think it will happen, regardless of

2145
01:44:34,298 --> 01:44:37,218
Speaker 2: what should or shouldn't go. So is there gonna be

2146
01:44:37,218 --> 01:44:40,537
Speaker 2: a fall guy? Does that end up being Alex Vampell. Yeah,

2147
01:44:40,617 --> 01:44:41,497
Speaker 2: I'd worry about that.

2148
01:44:41,857 --> 01:44:44,057
Speaker 3: And to your point, like if it's clicking with him

2149
01:44:44,058 --> 01:44:44,657
Speaker 3: and Drake.

2150
01:44:44,458 --> 01:44:48,097
Speaker 2: May I, I'd be hesitant about that because it's all

2151
01:44:48,138 --> 01:44:50,138
Speaker 2: about right now, what's best for the kid. And I

2152
01:44:50,178 --> 01:44:51,577
Speaker 2: talked about this at the beginning of the show. You

2153
01:44:51,617 --> 01:44:56,017
Speaker 2: now have to walk this tightrope of reorganizing things around

2154
01:44:56,098 --> 01:44:59,378
Speaker 2: him to fix what's broken right now without messing up

2155
01:44:59,378 --> 01:45:02,018
Speaker 2: the environment you've created for him to succeed.

2156
01:45:02,098 --> 01:45:04,097
Speaker 3: Some of that. There's not a ton of overlap.

2157
01:45:04,098 --> 01:45:05,697
Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about it, right, you know,

2158
01:45:05,777 --> 01:45:07,937
Speaker 2: reconfiguring wide receiver room, he's got to get in new

2159
01:45:07,978 --> 01:45:10,497
Speaker 2: chemistry with new wide receivers. Most quarterbacks have to do

2160
01:45:10,497 --> 01:45:11,977
Speaker 2: that year in and year out. Anyway, I'm not super

2161
01:45:12,018 --> 01:45:14,737
Speaker 2: worried about that once you start doing the whole two

2162
01:45:14,777 --> 01:45:17,857
Speaker 2: offensive coordinators in two years thing, and then does that

2163
01:45:17,897 --> 01:45:19,897
Speaker 2: become three and three? Because if you hire a good

2164
01:45:19,897 --> 01:45:22,338
Speaker 2: offense coordinator, I am curious who's on that list, Evan,

2165
01:45:22,458 --> 01:45:24,378
Speaker 2: just because like, let's say you do hire one of

2166
01:45:24,378 --> 01:45:28,178
Speaker 2: these wonderkin guys and then he goes, what's the quarterbacks

2167
01:45:28,218 --> 01:45:28,977
Speaker 2: coach in Houston?

2168
01:45:28,978 --> 01:45:29,737
Speaker 3: Who I really like?

2169
01:45:30,657 --> 01:45:32,497
Speaker 2: I know you're clearly not enough because I don't remember

2170
01:45:32,497 --> 01:45:36,138
Speaker 2: his name is yet jaw Johnson? Yeah, yeah, Like I like.

2171
01:45:37,258 --> 01:45:38,138
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I liked it.

2172
01:45:38,258 --> 01:45:41,258
Speaker 2: But like, if you go and you hire him, there's

2173
01:45:41,258 --> 01:45:43,617
Speaker 2: a decent chance he's a head coach in twenty twenty six, right,

2174
01:45:44,178 --> 01:45:46,897
Speaker 2: And now now you have three offensive coordinators in three years.

2175
01:45:46,737 --> 01:45:48,418
Speaker 3: And we all know how that thing goes.

2176
01:45:48,937 --> 01:45:53,697
Speaker 2: So I if it's working for Drake May, even if

2177
01:45:53,737 --> 01:45:56,218
Speaker 2: the offense, like you said, maybe isn't the most innovative,

2178
01:45:56,258 --> 01:45:59,097
Speaker 2: the most eye popping, if it's working for Drake May,

2179
01:45:59,178 --> 01:46:00,817
Speaker 2: let it sit for a little bit. It doesn't mean

2180
01:46:00,817 --> 01:46:03,817
Speaker 2: the tour tied together forever. And look, the reality is,

2181
01:46:04,138 --> 01:46:06,258
Speaker 2: if Drake May is good at some point, Alex Van

2182
01:46:06,298 --> 01:46:08,417
Speaker 2: Pelt's gonna get hired a way to be an offensive coordinator,

2183
01:46:08,937 --> 01:46:12,697
Speaker 2: so like that's not locked in forever, but you gotta

2184
01:46:12,737 --> 01:46:15,378
Speaker 2: be careful about the moves that impact may directly, and

2185
01:46:15,378 --> 01:46:17,537
Speaker 2: that would be one of them. So not rolling out

2186
01:46:17,577 --> 01:46:19,657
Speaker 2: him being one and done. I just think there's more

2187
01:46:19,737 --> 01:46:22,378
Speaker 2: that comes with that than just we can get a

2188
01:46:22,378 --> 01:46:25,098
Speaker 2: guy that wears kakis. To your point, you to use

2189
01:46:25,138 --> 01:46:28,418
Speaker 2: your phrase, yeah, I and I wonder too, and maybe

2190
01:46:28,418 --> 01:46:31,537
Speaker 2: this is it won't be possible because these guys are

2191
01:46:31,537 --> 01:46:35,298
Speaker 2: so hot, highly coveted around the league, But like, is

2192
01:46:35,338 --> 01:46:37,577
Speaker 2: there even a possibility that they could bring one of

2193
01:46:37,577 --> 01:46:42,298
Speaker 2: those guys on staff and have somebody help with play

2194
01:46:42,338 --> 01:46:45,777
Speaker 2: design and innovation and stuff like that the time being,

2195
01:46:45,817 --> 01:46:48,537
Speaker 2: And because I think you put it greatly, like Van

2196
01:46:48,617 --> 01:46:51,057
Speaker 2: Pelt is a good quarterbacks coach, and right how you

2197
01:46:51,098 --> 01:46:54,057
Speaker 2: have a twenty two year old rookie quarterback who needs

2198
01:46:54,058 --> 01:46:57,017
Speaker 2: some developing and needs some seasoning, and I just I

2199
01:46:57,058 --> 01:46:59,458
Speaker 2: think he's doing his job. I really do think he's

2200
01:46:59,497 --> 01:47:01,418
Speaker 2: doing his job, so though it hasn't been great and

2201
01:47:01,458 --> 01:47:04,298
Speaker 2: schematically you talk about bringing in like essentially like an

2202
01:47:04,338 --> 01:47:06,937
Speaker 2: offense consultant, which some people might say is what McAdoo

2203
01:47:06,978 --> 01:47:09,137
Speaker 2: is but yeah, I mean, you know who I look

2204
01:47:09,178 --> 01:47:11,977
Speaker 2: at in that regard, Brian Dable, that would be one.

2205
01:47:12,058 --> 01:47:13,977
Speaker 2: I think if Dave Ball gets canned, he's either gonna

2206
01:47:13,978 --> 01:47:15,937
Speaker 2: be a head coach or he's gonna be the highest

2207
01:47:15,978 --> 01:47:18,537
Speaker 2: paid offense coordinator in Buffalo or just the head coach

2208
01:47:18,617 --> 01:47:19,017
Speaker 2: of Bills.

2209
01:47:19,697 --> 01:47:22,218
Speaker 3: Different AFC East coach different McDaniel.

2210
01:47:22,298 --> 01:47:25,138
Speaker 2: Yeah, like some of it. And you know how I

2211
01:47:25,138 --> 01:47:28,017
Speaker 2: feel about Mike McNeil's head coach, Like, do not think

2212
01:47:28,098 --> 01:47:31,258
Speaker 2: that that works. That's part of the he's attracted to

2213
01:47:31,258 --> 01:47:34,097
Speaker 2: me as an offensive coordinator because I if he gets

2214
01:47:34,138 --> 01:47:37,338
Speaker 2: hired away, it's the Josh McDaniels factor, right, That's that's

2215
01:47:37,378 --> 01:47:39,617
Speaker 2: what part. And honestly, like I'd put Josh McDaniels on

2216
01:47:39,617 --> 01:47:42,058
Speaker 2: the list, like if you're gonna replace me, I'm not

2217
01:47:42,178 --> 01:47:45,617
Speaker 2: gonna move on from Van Pelt blindly and just say

2218
01:47:45,657 --> 01:47:48,017
Speaker 2: this guy isn't the answer because he's giving you some

2219
01:47:48,098 --> 01:47:50,577
Speaker 2: good things. If you're gonna move on from Alex van Pelt,

2220
01:47:51,458 --> 01:47:54,258
Speaker 2: there needs to be a clear improvement in place, and

2221
01:47:54,338 --> 01:47:57,697
Speaker 2: ideally a guy that's gonna have at least a couple

2222
01:47:57,737 --> 01:48:00,977
Speaker 2: of years before he gets head coach. Attention McDaniel. If

2223
01:48:01,018 --> 01:48:03,258
Speaker 2: it ends ugly in Miami. I'm not worried about him

2224
01:48:03,258 --> 01:48:05,737
Speaker 2: getting hired elsewhere for a year or two. Yeah, if

2225
01:48:06,018 --> 01:48:09,577
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels is like in the picture, we're not worried

2226
01:48:09,617 --> 01:48:12,177
Speaker 2: about Josh McDaniels being an NFL head coach at this point.

2227
01:48:12,418 --> 01:48:15,537
Speaker 2: You know you kind of have him for the long term.

2228
01:48:15,697 --> 01:48:19,017
Speaker 2: Guys like that, right, if you can make that higher,

2229
01:48:19,058 --> 01:48:21,577
Speaker 2: then maybe you talk about it. I'm not moving on

2230
01:48:21,617 --> 01:48:24,497
Speaker 2: from Alex van Pelt for the next upshot wonder kid

2231
01:48:24,497 --> 01:48:26,177
Speaker 2: who's gonna leave in a year to be a head coach.

2232
01:48:26,577 --> 01:48:30,657
Speaker 2: That to me, you're probably gonna cause long term more

2233
01:48:30,657 --> 01:48:33,897
Speaker 2: harm than good because now you're talking about what are

2234
01:48:33,937 --> 01:48:35,577
Speaker 2: they at now six and six years?

2235
01:48:35,737 --> 01:48:37,378
Speaker 3: Is McDaniels in twenty one?

2236
01:48:37,617 --> 01:48:41,258
Speaker 2: Patricia twenty two, Bill O'Brien twenty three yards, they're four

2237
01:48:41,258 --> 01:48:43,777
Speaker 2: and four? You move on now you're at five and five.

2238
01:48:44,138 --> 01:48:46,218
Speaker 2: If you hire one of these guys who has head

2239
01:48:46,258 --> 01:48:49,378
Speaker 2: coaching upside, now you're on six and six, like you

2240
01:48:49,617 --> 01:48:52,017
Speaker 2: just it's three and three with Drake May, that's not

2241
01:48:52,058 --> 01:48:53,177
Speaker 2: a good situation. Yeah.

2242
01:48:53,458 --> 01:48:56,497
Speaker 4: McDaniel's an interesting name too, because it's a similar system.

2243
01:48:56,897 --> 01:48:59,577
Speaker 4: I think that's what's big and people have to recognize

2244
01:48:59,617 --> 01:49:03,617
Speaker 4: that as well. You know Josh McDaniels, Well, we all

2245
01:49:03,697 --> 01:49:06,817
Speaker 4: love on this program, like I love Josh McDaniels as

2246
01:49:06,857 --> 01:49:11,097
Speaker 4: an offensive mine, but Josh McDaniels runs an Earnhard Perkins

2247
01:49:11,138 --> 01:49:14,258
Speaker 4: offense with a totally different run system and a totally

2248
01:49:14,298 --> 01:49:18,137
Speaker 4: different playbook than what Alex Van Pelton West Coast scheme

2249
01:49:18,737 --> 01:49:20,977
Speaker 4: runs now at the Patriots. So you're not gonna hire

2250
01:49:21,058 --> 01:49:23,617
Speaker 4: Josh McDaniels to consult on an offense that he knows

2251
01:49:23,657 --> 01:49:26,497
Speaker 4: nothing about, right, And I understand offense is offense, but

2252
01:49:26,897 --> 01:49:31,617
Speaker 4: you're basically hiring a Spanish teacher to teach Italian, right,

2253
01:49:31,657 --> 01:49:34,657
Speaker 4: Like that just wouldn't make much sense. Now, McDaniel it

2254
01:49:34,777 --> 01:49:38,297
Speaker 4: speaks Italian and can coach Italian and Alex van Pelton

2255
01:49:38,378 --> 01:49:42,338
Speaker 4: him speak Italian together. Now, maybe Alex van pelt is

2256
01:49:42,338 --> 01:49:45,338
Speaker 4: from southern Italy and McDaniel's from northern Italy, but we're

2257
01:49:45,378 --> 01:49:48,298
Speaker 4: still all speaking Italian, right, right, So those things can

2258
01:49:48,338 --> 01:49:52,018
Speaker 4: work a little bit. But in terms of like McDaniels

2259
01:49:52,138 --> 01:49:54,937
Speaker 4: or anybody from like the old Belichick tree, like that's

2260
01:49:54,978 --> 01:49:58,217
Speaker 4: gonna be a completely different terminology and a completely different system.

2261
01:49:58,298 --> 01:50:01,697
Speaker 4: So McDaniel is an interesting one. I don't think he's

2262
01:50:01,697 --> 01:50:03,458
Speaker 4: getting fired, but that's an interesting one.

2263
01:50:03,497 --> 01:50:04,697
Speaker 2: But I don't think he's either.

2264
01:50:04,697 --> 01:50:07,537
Speaker 3: But that's kind of been my thing, like if he

2265
01:50:07,617 --> 01:50:09,258
Speaker 3: does get let go, all.

2266
01:50:09,218 --> 01:50:11,178
Speaker 4: Right, let's take this last call and then I want

2267
01:50:11,178 --> 01:50:13,218
Speaker 4: to do like ten five to ten minutes on the

2268
01:50:13,258 --> 01:50:15,777
Speaker 4: Jets and then we're gonna wrap it up. Jose is

2269
01:50:15,817 --> 01:50:21,617
Speaker 4: in Texas. What's up, Jose? How are we doing?

2270
01:50:23,338 --> 01:50:23,817
Speaker 5: Pretty good?

2271
01:50:23,857 --> 01:50:27,218
Speaker 10: Pretty good? So I had a question about the Jets.

2272
01:50:27,458 --> 01:50:30,057
Speaker 10: Do you think it's gonna be a high scoring game

2273
01:50:30,138 --> 01:50:33,218
Speaker 10: or I think that the defense is finally gonna step

2274
01:50:33,298 --> 01:50:36,057
Speaker 10: up for the Patriots. I kind of don't see the

2275
01:50:36,098 --> 01:50:39,857
Speaker 10: defense not giving up less than one hundred and fifty

2276
01:50:39,937 --> 01:50:41,977
Speaker 10: yards on the ground.

2277
01:50:43,657 --> 01:50:45,657
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for the call, Jose, and thanks for the

2278
01:50:45,657 --> 01:50:48,577
Speaker 4: segue because I wanted to talk about that. Anyways, So

2279
01:50:48,657 --> 01:50:52,298
Speaker 4: the Jets on Sunday. When I look at this Jets

2280
01:50:52,338 --> 01:50:56,138
Speaker 4: team right now, my bigger concern, certainly for the Patriots

2281
01:50:56,178 --> 01:50:59,418
Speaker 4: is Aaron Rodgers in this Jets offense. I know it

2282
01:50:59,458 --> 01:51:03,737
Speaker 4: hasn't necessarily statistically beared out, like they don't have great

2283
01:51:03,817 --> 01:51:07,098
Speaker 4: numbers offensively, and Rodgers has been a little bit up

2284
01:51:07,138 --> 01:51:10,298
Speaker 4: and down and all that kind of stuff. But I

2285
01:51:10,418 --> 01:51:12,937
Speaker 4: just look at this Jets offense. Their best game of

2286
01:51:12,978 --> 01:51:15,897
Speaker 4: the year was obviously Week three against the Patriots. They

2287
01:51:15,937 --> 01:51:18,098
Speaker 4: have a lot of weapons, they can beat you in

2288
01:51:18,178 --> 01:51:21,217
Speaker 4: multiple ways. They now have DeVante Adams in the mix.

2289
01:51:21,817 --> 01:51:24,058
Speaker 4: It just feels like there's a lot of fires to

2290
01:51:24,098 --> 01:51:26,258
Speaker 4: put out for the Patriots defense this week.

2291
01:51:26,298 --> 01:51:28,897
Speaker 2: And I have a lot of concerns about this matchup.

2292
01:51:29,138 --> 01:51:31,617
Speaker 2: I'm more worried about the run game honestly than Rodgers. Yeah,

2293
01:51:31,737 --> 01:51:33,737
Speaker 2: like he's still getting on the same pageot guys and

2294
01:51:33,777 --> 01:51:39,178
Speaker 2: things like that. But Brayln Allen Breest Hall, like, these

2295
01:51:39,218 --> 01:51:42,137
Speaker 2: are hard, physical runners up against a team that can't tackle.

2296
01:51:42,697 --> 01:51:45,977
Speaker 2: They've been opening holes like if the Patriots. So they

2297
01:51:46,018 --> 01:51:47,378
Speaker 2: go lot one hundred and seventy one yards on the

2298
01:51:47,378 --> 01:51:49,897
Speaker 2: ground against Jaguars, who've been a good run team this year.

2299
01:51:50,617 --> 01:51:52,338
Speaker 2: They play that kind of defense against the Jets, they're

2300
01:51:52,338 --> 01:51:54,817
Speaker 2: gonna go over two hundred. Look, Aaron Rodgers has banged up.

2301
01:51:55,098 --> 01:51:59,058
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams is still getting brought into the mix. I

2302
01:51:59,058 --> 01:52:00,857
Speaker 2: know he has the previous chemistry with Rogers, but he's

2303
01:52:00,857 --> 01:52:01,897
Speaker 2: still getting brought in the mix.

2304
01:52:02,258 --> 01:52:04,698
Speaker 3: Alvin Lazard is hurt. He didn't practice yesterday.

2305
01:52:05,258 --> 01:52:07,057
Speaker 2: I think the Jets are gonna come out and want

2306
01:52:07,098 --> 01:52:08,697
Speaker 2: to run the ball like I don't think they're gonna

2307
01:52:08,817 --> 01:52:10,378
Speaker 2: kind of like remember the Patriots used to do this

2308
01:52:10,378 --> 01:52:12,497
Speaker 2: to the Jets. It was like, let's just get through

2309
01:52:12,537 --> 01:52:14,817
Speaker 2: this game. Like we're not gonna totally unleash Tom Brady.

2310
01:52:14,857 --> 01:52:17,458
Speaker 2: We're not, right, Yeah, I think the Jets couldn't come

2311
01:52:17,458 --> 01:52:18,897
Speaker 2: out and run the ball thirty five times.

2312
01:52:18,978 --> 01:52:20,298
Speaker 3: And in that sense, I.

2313
01:52:20,258 --> 01:52:21,937
Speaker 2: Actually think it's gonna be a low scoring game because

2314
01:52:21,937 --> 01:52:24,178
Speaker 2: I think the clock's gonna be running a lot. But

2315
01:52:25,857 --> 01:52:28,937
Speaker 2: I I if I'm the Patriots, I would almost rather

2316
01:52:29,018 --> 01:52:31,817
Speaker 2: the ball be in Rogers' hands that And I know

2317
01:52:31,897 --> 01:52:34,657
Speaker 2: that sounds crazy. It does a little bit, and especially

2318
01:52:34,697 --> 01:52:36,697
Speaker 2: after what he did to them on on Thursday night

2319
01:52:36,777 --> 01:52:39,537
Speaker 2: to start season, But I just think the Jets can

2320
01:52:39,617 --> 01:52:40,617
Speaker 2: run up and down the field.

2321
01:52:40,617 --> 01:52:42,338
Speaker 3: The way this Patriots defense is playing right now.

2322
01:52:42,418 --> 01:52:43,937
Speaker 2: Well, that's my concern, I guess.

2323
01:52:43,978 --> 01:52:45,617
Speaker 4: And when I say that there's a lot of fires

2324
01:52:45,657 --> 01:52:47,537
Speaker 4: to put out is that, you know, I don't know

2325
01:52:47,577 --> 01:52:51,497
Speaker 4: how the Patriots come into this game and like take something,

2326
01:52:51,617 --> 01:52:52,617
Speaker 4: you have to take something off.

2327
01:52:52,697 --> 01:52:54,697
Speaker 3: So let me credit. I don't feel great with the

2328
01:52:54,737 --> 01:52:58,098
Speaker 3: ball being in Rogers hands, but it's like you have

2329
01:52:58,178 --> 01:52:59,057
Speaker 3: to pick one, right.

2330
01:52:59,178 --> 01:53:02,298
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And that gets back to like what we

2331
01:53:02,298 --> 01:53:04,497
Speaker 4: were talking in the first hour about this defense, Like,

2332
01:53:04,577 --> 01:53:07,937
Speaker 4: right now, you have to take something away as a defense.

2333
01:53:08,058 --> 01:53:09,697
Speaker 4: Either you're not gonna run on us or you're not

2334
01:53:09,697 --> 01:53:12,017
Speaker 4: gonna throw on us. And if you beat us by

2335
01:53:12,138 --> 01:53:14,378
Speaker 4: running for two hundred yards, then good for you, right

2336
01:53:14,418 --> 01:53:17,657
Speaker 4: and vice versa. And right now, the Patriots defense isn't

2337
01:53:17,897 --> 01:53:19,777
Speaker 4: isn't doing any of it right. They're not stopping to

2338
01:53:19,817 --> 01:53:21,537
Speaker 4: run or the past like effectively.

2339
01:53:21,617 --> 01:53:23,817
Speaker 2: So I'll look at this Jets offense and it's kind

2340
01:53:23,817 --> 01:53:25,497
Speaker 2: of like, well, they can just sort of do whatever

2341
01:53:25,537 --> 01:53:28,458
Speaker 2: they want, right, Like, if if it's the run game,

2342
01:53:28,458 --> 01:53:30,138
Speaker 2: it's the run game. If it's the pass game, it's

2343
01:53:30,138 --> 01:53:31,897
Speaker 2: the past game. You know.

2344
01:53:31,978 --> 01:53:35,418
Speaker 4: Back in Week three, the Patriots played a lot of

2345
01:53:35,418 --> 01:53:38,178
Speaker 4: those two high safety shells. They really geared up for

2346
01:53:38,218 --> 01:53:41,258
Speaker 4: the passing game with Rogers, and they ran it right

2347
01:53:41,258 --> 01:53:42,977
Speaker 4: down their throats at the beginning of that game and

2348
01:53:43,058 --> 01:53:45,497
Speaker 4: kind of opened things up. They ran a lot of

2349
01:53:45,537 --> 01:53:48,138
Speaker 4: that zone lead you know, full back in the backfield

2350
01:53:48,497 --> 01:53:51,657
Speaker 4: outside zone, but with the full back leading the way

2351
01:53:52,338 --> 01:53:54,777
Speaker 4: into that two back they are sort of the first

2352
01:53:54,777 --> 01:53:57,258
Speaker 4: team to put heavy personnel on the field against the

2353
01:53:57,258 --> 01:54:00,057
Speaker 4: Patriots defense and make the Patriots play base, and then

2354
01:54:00,098 --> 01:54:03,057
Speaker 4: they threw against base like that strategy kind of came

2355
01:54:03,058 --> 01:54:06,017
Speaker 4: from the Jets. So I just look at this Jets offense.

2356
01:54:06,058 --> 01:54:10,258
Speaker 4: I think Rogers has been shaky. Frankly, the Patriots is

2357
01:54:10,298 --> 01:54:11,937
Speaker 4: the only game that I thought that he played well

2358
01:54:11,937 --> 01:54:15,897
Speaker 4: in all year, He's been shaky. But the one thing

2359
01:54:15,897 --> 01:54:18,617
Speaker 4: that he's still really really good at is if you

2360
01:54:18,697 --> 01:54:22,338
Speaker 4: give him single coverage on the outside, he can still

2361
01:54:22,418 --> 01:54:24,418
Speaker 4: drop it in the bucket and he's gonna get the

2362
01:54:24,418 --> 01:54:26,657
Speaker 4: ball out quickly. You know, he's one of the fastest

2363
01:54:27,098 --> 01:54:29,418
Speaker 4: release times in the NFL. He's getting out an under

2364
01:54:29,497 --> 01:54:32,658
Speaker 4: two point four second, So he has no desire whatsoever

2365
01:54:32,738 --> 01:54:36,177
Speaker 4: to hold the ball anymore. And you give him DeVante Adams,

2366
01:54:36,178 --> 01:54:38,858
Speaker 4: Garrett Wilson one on one again, somebody on the perimeter,

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01:54:38,937 --> 01:54:41,818
Speaker 4: that's where the ball is going. So that that would

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01:54:41,818 --> 01:54:44,538
Speaker 4: be my concern in terms of, all, right, if we

2369
01:54:44,658 --> 01:54:46,658
Speaker 4: load up, you know, seven eight guys in the box,

2370
01:54:46,738 --> 01:54:50,177
Speaker 4: single high stop the run, make a put to Rogers,

2371
01:54:50,178 --> 01:54:53,418
Speaker 4: the game in Rogers's hands. I have confidence that Christian

2372
01:54:53,418 --> 01:54:56,618
Speaker 4: Gonzales can take a guy one on one and at

2373
01:54:56,698 --> 01:54:59,858
Speaker 4: least hold his own right. You know, I love the Joneses.

2374
01:54:59,897 --> 01:55:01,698
Speaker 4: I think both of them have been solid this year

2375
01:55:01,698 --> 01:55:05,017
Speaker 4: for the Patriots. But Adams is a big dude, and

2376
01:55:05,138 --> 01:55:06,177
Speaker 4: it was our plays.

2377
01:55:06,218 --> 01:55:08,137
Speaker 2: He's a big dude, and this is what they struggled

2378
01:55:08,178 --> 01:55:11,778
Speaker 2: with last time, the big receivers, so you know, fades,

2379
01:55:11,818 --> 01:55:15,218
Speaker 2: back shoulders, slants where guys are just boxing people out.

2380
01:55:15,298 --> 01:55:18,578
Speaker 2: You know, like think things like that does become concerns.

2381
01:55:18,618 --> 01:55:21,057
Speaker 2: Tyler Conklin had like a huge game out of nowhere

2382
01:55:21,098 --> 01:55:24,618
Speaker 2: against the Patriots in Week three, another big body target

2383
01:55:24,698 --> 01:55:27,338
Speaker 2: at tight end for the Jets. I worry a lot

2384
01:55:27,338 --> 01:55:29,937
Speaker 2: about this Jets offense. I think this Jets offense is

2385
01:55:29,978 --> 01:55:33,698
Speaker 2: gonna has a lot of ways to beat the Patriots,

2386
01:55:33,937 --> 01:55:37,138
Speaker 2: and that's gonna be concerning. But kind of like the

2387
01:55:37,138 --> 01:55:40,658
Speaker 2: Week three game, I don't expect them to run it up, like,

2388
01:55:40,698 --> 01:55:44,897
Speaker 2: I don't expect them to be high scoring, like I

2389
01:55:44,897 --> 01:55:47,097
Speaker 2: think twenty four to twenty seven points for the Jets

2390
01:55:47,178 --> 01:55:50,738
Speaker 2: is right where they're gonna be at. Offensively for the Patriots,

2391
01:55:51,458 --> 01:55:52,977
Speaker 2: I expect them to be able to move the ball

2392
01:55:52,978 --> 01:55:55,818
Speaker 2: a little bit better certainly than they did in Week three.

2393
01:55:57,458 --> 01:56:00,458
Speaker 2: Mainly obviously because of Drake May, but also because I

2394
01:56:00,458 --> 01:56:03,017
Speaker 2: would think that Van Pelt has a better plan. You know,

2395
01:56:03,098 --> 01:56:06,258
Speaker 2: the Jets came out in that game. They blitzed the

2396
01:56:06,258 --> 01:56:09,658
Speaker 2: heck out of Jacob Brissett. They're not really a blitz defense.

2397
01:56:09,738 --> 01:56:12,418
Speaker 2: That's not really what they do, and they did it

2398
01:56:12,778 --> 01:56:15,618
Speaker 2: in Week three and it definitely took the Patriots by surprise.

2399
01:56:16,218 --> 01:56:19,458
Speaker 2: So hopefully they're better equipped and more prepared for that

2400
01:56:19,578 --> 01:56:22,217
Speaker 2: this time around. The Jets have also had some injuries

2401
01:56:22,218 --> 01:56:24,977
Speaker 2: in their secondary DJ Reid, Michael Carter been in and

2402
01:56:25,018 --> 01:56:27,778
Speaker 2: out of practice and things like that. Then play last week,

2403
01:56:28,018 --> 01:56:30,778
Speaker 2: so we'll see what happens there. But I do like

2404
01:56:30,778 --> 01:56:33,217
Speaker 2: the Patriots are gonna score more against this Jets defense

2405
01:56:33,298 --> 01:56:35,177
Speaker 2: this time around. I just don't know if they can stop.

2406
01:56:34,978 --> 01:56:35,698
Speaker 3: Them, right.

2407
01:56:35,937 --> 01:56:37,538
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be you know, you're gonna hear

2408
01:56:37,538 --> 01:56:39,498
Speaker 2: me come in next week, y'all about time of possession

2409
01:56:39,538 --> 01:56:41,057
Speaker 2: and play disparity and things like that.

2410
01:56:41,138 --> 01:56:42,538
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be one of those games.

2411
01:56:42,618 --> 01:56:44,017
Speaker 2: Well, we'll see.

2412
01:56:44,418 --> 01:56:48,378
Speaker 4: I hope it's better than what we're per forecasting. I

2413
01:56:48,378 --> 01:56:51,538
Speaker 4: think I picked twenty four to fourteen Jets on PU.

2414
01:56:51,378 --> 01:56:53,098
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels about right, yeah, i'd say like I

2415
01:56:53,138 --> 01:56:55,578
Speaker 2: was gonna go like twenty seven to seventeen something like that.

2416
01:56:55,658 --> 01:56:57,098
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just don't feel like this is one of

2417
01:56:57,138 --> 01:56:59,218
Speaker 4: those games where they run away with it truly, Like

2418
01:56:59,218 --> 01:57:00,858
Speaker 4: I don't think it's gonna be a forty five to

2419
01:57:00,897 --> 01:57:04,017
Speaker 4: ten blowout or anything crazy like that, but just kind

2420
01:57:04,018 --> 01:57:05,937
Speaker 4: of like that Week three game. I think there'll be

2421
01:57:05,978 --> 01:57:08,458
Speaker 4: a clear winner in this game and you're gonna come

2422
01:57:08,498 --> 01:57:10,818
Speaker 4: away with this. And just the last thing I wanted

2423
01:57:10,858 --> 01:57:12,618
Speaker 4: to say about the Jets and then we'll wrap it

2424
01:57:12,698 --> 01:57:18,258
Speaker 4: up in Week three. There's a lot of juice in

2425
01:57:18,298 --> 01:57:21,738
Speaker 4: that building. It was their home opener, it was Aaron Rodgers'

2426
01:57:21,818 --> 01:57:25,097
Speaker 4: first game back there since tearing his achilles the year before.

2427
01:57:25,578 --> 01:57:29,658
Speaker 4: It was a short week, so energy was a big issue.

2428
01:57:29,698 --> 01:57:32,818
Speaker 4: Whether it was the crowd giving the Jets energy, it

2429
01:57:32,858 --> 01:57:35,977
Speaker 4: was the Patriots lacking energy on a short week. So

2430
01:57:36,458 --> 01:57:38,858
Speaker 4: when we came out of that game, you know, on paper,

2431
01:57:38,897 --> 01:57:40,977
Speaker 4: it looks like Jets are a much better team. They

2432
01:57:41,338 --> 01:57:43,738
Speaker 4: just look like they have a much better roster. My

2433
01:57:43,937 --> 01:57:47,618
Speaker 4: question for the Patriots in this game is can you

2434
01:57:47,698 --> 01:57:50,338
Speaker 4: match the energy level? And let's actually see what the

2435
01:57:50,378 --> 01:57:52,858
Speaker 4: talent gap is, right, Like, is it truly as wide

2436
01:57:52,897 --> 01:57:55,378
Speaker 4: as it looked, and week three are a day closer

2437
01:57:55,378 --> 01:57:57,138
Speaker 4: than maybe it seems because the Jets, let's face it,

2438
01:57:57,138 --> 01:57:57,858
Speaker 4: they're two and five.

2439
01:57:58,298 --> 01:57:58,658
Speaker 2: They're not.

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01:57:59,138 --> 01:58:02,017
Speaker 4: It's not They're not this AFC powerhouse like a lot

2441
01:58:02,058 --> 01:58:03,858
Speaker 4: of people thought they were. They just fired their head

2442
01:58:03,897 --> 01:58:07,378
Speaker 4: coach like two weeks ago. So this Jets team is

2443
01:58:07,418 --> 01:58:10,698
Speaker 4: also not done well this year and not playing up

2444
01:58:10,738 --> 01:58:14,418
Speaker 4: to their standard or their roster talent. So they looked

2445
01:58:14,458 --> 01:58:18,057
Speaker 4: like they were a varsity team against a JV team

2446
01:58:18,058 --> 01:58:20,458
Speaker 4: on that Thursday night game. So I'm hoping that we

2447
01:58:20,498 --> 01:58:23,698
Speaker 4: see a little bit of a different discreption.

2448
01:58:24,218 --> 01:58:25,778
Speaker 2: Given the way the last week is gone and all

2449
01:58:25,818 --> 01:58:27,818
Speaker 2: of that, like all the reason to come out fired up.

2450
01:58:27,937 --> 01:58:32,818
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