1
00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:10,880
Speaker 1: Stone's Touring Party is a production of iHeartRadio.

2
00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:14,000
Speaker 2: Welcome to Chicago. It's June nineteen seventy two. A convoy

3
00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,599
Speaker 2: of limos and cabs come to a stop outside in

4
00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:21,079
Speaker 2: the Dress on a tony residential street. Even in the dark,

5
00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,200
Speaker 2: the building stands out amid the Brownstones, surrounded by an

6
00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,639
Speaker 2: imposing wrought iron fence lined with black suited security heavies

7
00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,720
Speaker 2: with walkie talkies in their hands and pistols under their shoulders.

8
00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,280
Speaker 2: It looks more like an embassy. Good Lord, did the

9
00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,440
Speaker 2: Stones call on a favor with the ambassador? Do they

10
00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,120
Speaker 2: have embassies in Chicago? I'm in Chicago, right? Did I

11
00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,000
Speaker 2: take too many kayludes on the ride here? No matter.

12
00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,720
Speaker 2: It's midway through the tour now and easy to forget

13
00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,960
Speaker 2: where you are. The days are starting to blur, or

14
00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,520
Speaker 2: maybe that's just the quayludes. But climbing the wide, sweeping

15
00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,760
Speaker 2: stairs you'll get a major clue where you are. On

16
00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,320
Speaker 2: the door is a brass bearing the inscription see known

17
00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:07,240
Speaker 2: osilas noni tintinare. Students of Latin will know what this means.

18
00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,959
Speaker 2: If you don't swing, don't ring, you can only be

19
00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,880
Speaker 2: one place. The Playboy mansion. The scene is a party

20
00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,600
Speaker 2: in the great room while the Palace Museum, as it's

21
00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:24,080
Speaker 2: come to be known on the Rolling Stones Tour. It's

22
00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,640
Speaker 2: so straight that it almost seems sarcastic, with medieval suits

23
00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,920
Speaker 2: of armor flanking the stairs and hardwood paneling that makes

24
00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,759
Speaker 2: it look like a tidillating Titanic. Such is the taste

25
00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,760
Speaker 2: of the Lord of the manor one Hugh Hefner. But

26
00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,240
Speaker 2: don't let it fool you. There's nothing straight about this place.

27
00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,679
Speaker 2: It's well after midnight and people are careening from room

28
00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,200
Speaker 2: to room, from the bar to the living room and

29
00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,840
Speaker 2: down to the pool. Some pop in and out of

30
00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:55,280
Speaker 2: secret passageways. A James Bond esque detail inspired by Hefner's

31
00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,920
Speaker 2: dear friend, the late Double seven creator Ian Fleming, Champagne

32
00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,160
Speaker 2: Quovassier flow over the bar like water. Keith Richards is

33
00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,760
Speaker 2: lying flat on his back in a deep plush sofa.

34
00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,160
Speaker 2: His slender frame is sporting brass studded jeans, leopard skin boots,

35
00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,679
Speaker 2: tinted hair, and red sunglasses. He smiles at you over

36
00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,239
Speaker 2: his tequila sunrise, or at least he's smiling at something.

37
00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,880
Speaker 2: The game room is down a curving stairway past the

38
00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:24,960
Speaker 2: pool in the sun and sauna room and through the

39
00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,080
Speaker 2: beaded curtains. There's a pool table in the middle and

40
00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:32,600
Speaker 2: a collection of neon flashing pinball machines, a computer quiz table,

41
00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:37,040
Speaker 2: football test your skilled driving games, and electro dartboards. And

42
00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:42,280
Speaker 2: it's all for free, no dime needed. The sound system

43
00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,040
Speaker 2: has been captured and plugged into a portable tape recorder.

44
00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,720
Speaker 2: Smokey Robinson competes with his Flesh and Blood Motown mate

45
00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,679
Speaker 2: Stevie Wonder, the stp opening act, who's playing some seriously

46
00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:57,400
Speaker 2: funky piano on hefner steinlight. He's interrupted by a loud

47
00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,000
Speaker 2: crash as somebody spills an entire drink tray on the floor.

48
00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:06,080
Speaker 2: Even the unflappable waiters are starting to lose it. An

49
00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,960
Speaker 2: impossibly beautiful woman named Mercy stands nearby. She peers through

50
00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,680
Speaker 2: a cascade of platinum blonde hair. She's in town for

51
00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,440
Speaker 2: Playboy to take her picture, but her trip was made

52
00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,880
Speaker 2: even more exciting during a brief, yet passionate encounter with

53
00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,960
Speaker 2: one of the Stones, or at least someone in their orbit.

54
00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,160
Speaker 2: And tomorrow's my birthday too, She says, I feel just

55
00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:35,400
Speaker 2: like Cinderella that description comes courtesy of Robert Greenfield, the

56
00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:40,280
Speaker 2: legendary rock journalist who is Rolling Stone Magazines Dedicated Stones correspondent.

57
00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,600
Speaker 2: As a twenty something in the early seventies, he was

58
00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,000
Speaker 2: there during those long nights at the mansion, raising eyebrows

59
00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,480
Speaker 2: with the ladies of the house for furtively taking notes

60
00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,720
Speaker 2: for his articles and stubbornly refusing to go completely off

61
00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:57,160
Speaker 2: the rails. More than the partying, which crossed the line

62
00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,360
Speaker 2: from leasurable to punishing, for most concerned, it was a

63
00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:05,000
Speaker 2: fascinating encounter between two very different generations of counterculture leaders

64
00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:10,120
Speaker 2: who were more alike than they were different. By gaining

65
00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,520
Speaker 2: entry into the Playboy Mansion, the Stones also gained entry

66
00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,000
Speaker 2: to a certain level of social respectability, as much as

67
00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,440
Speaker 2: they'd try to deny it, and as much as their

68
00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,800
Speaker 2: behavior there suggests that otherwise. They'd spent the sixties offending

69
00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,200
Speaker 2: the old timers. Now they're being welcomed into their midst

70
00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:32,080
Speaker 2: What did that mean? In addition to Robert Greenfield and

71
00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,840
Speaker 2: has never before heard tapes of the Stones and their

72
00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,080
Speaker 2: exile on Main Street era, Glory will also be joined

73
00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,400
Speaker 2: by his friend and fellow SDP tour mate, Gary Stromberg,

74
00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,760
Speaker 2: a PR soprimo. Who's represented a whole jukebox of music's

75
00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:50,760
Speaker 2: greatest artists. My name's Jordan Runtogg, and welcome to Stone's

76
00:04:50,880 --> 00:05:05,640
Speaker 2: touring party. Everyone knows that artists on tour arrive in

77
00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,680
Speaker 2: each city preceded by the legend of their own publicity,

78
00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,360
Speaker 2: but it cuts the other way as well. For rock

79
00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,320
Speaker 2: bands on the road, cities come pre hyped with a

80
00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:21,240
Speaker 2: legend of their own. In Chicago's legend was a mixed bag. Sure,

81
00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,440
Speaker 2: it was the central blues hub north of the Mason

82
00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,960
Speaker 2: Dixon line and home to Chess Records, a seminole R

83
00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,480
Speaker 2: and B label that brought the world Chuck Berry, bo

84
00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,719
Speaker 2: Didley and Muddy Waters. But the Stones arrived on June eighteenth,

85
00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:39,520
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy two, a hot, windy, smoggy, stinking, bristly hog

86
00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,320
Speaker 2: of a day, with something other than a sense of

87
00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,760
Speaker 2: joy in their hearts. The band bredue to play three

88
00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,240
Speaker 2: dates at the International Amphitheater, a great barn of a

89
00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,279
Speaker 2: place that builds itself as the world's largest building in

90
00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,880
Speaker 2: terms of total area. Even if it isn't, it's certainly

91
00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,160
Speaker 2: the world's ugliest. It had recently played host to a

92
00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,960
Speaker 2: livestock show, just prior to the Stone's arrival and the thick,

93
00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,239
Speaker 2: rich aroma of bnor still Lingers. The Stones had played

94
00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,679
Speaker 2: there in sixty nine, and Keith doesn't remember it fondly.

95
00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,360
Speaker 2: Here he is talking to Robert Greenfield, courtesy of our

96
00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,919
Speaker 2: friends at the Northwestern University Archives.

97
00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,719
Speaker 3: Chicago had a strange town.

98
00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,159
Speaker 4: It isn't it a good place to play? It didn't

99
00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,280
Speaker 4: seem to. I think the only good one is too

100
00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,960
Speaker 4: small and something like that. I mean, all I know

101
00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,000
Speaker 4: is that every time you play your god, the fucking

102
00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:37,200
Speaker 4: bown of stinks.

103
00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,640
Speaker 2: Making matters worse is the smell from the nearby stockyards,

104
00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,720
Speaker 2: where fresh meat was hung upside down and drained of

105
00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:48,080
Speaker 2: blood before being ground into pieces, pressed into patties, and

106
00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:54,640
Speaker 2: broiled into burgers that fed America. Chicago had a reputation

107
00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,400
Speaker 2: for blood in the street. He was here less than

108
00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,400
Speaker 2: four years earlier. The cops beat the flesh of young

109
00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,960
Speaker 2: protesters at the Democratic National Convention, cracking skulls with their

110
00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,760
Speaker 2: nightsticks as network news cameras broadcast the carnage into living

111
00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,680
Speaker 2: rooms across the nation. All amid chance of the whole

112
00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:18,400
Speaker 2: world is watching the convention stage where politicians hurled accusations

113
00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,360
Speaker 2: and slurs at one another is the very same one

114
00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,560
Speaker 2: where the Stones will perform. Chicago cops, not looking for

115
00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,119
Speaker 2: a repeat of the sixty eight riots, have the city

116
00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,360
Speaker 2: locked up tight like an occupying army, a particularly savage

117
00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,000
Speaker 2: one at that. The day after the Stones arrive, the

118
00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,400
Speaker 2: Chicago Tribune reports that the FBI is hard at work

119
00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:44,280
Speaker 2: on determining the identities of five Chicago cops moonlighting as assassins.

120
00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,640
Speaker 2: They're allegedly responsible for the six dead black men found

121
00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,240
Speaker 2: decomposing in the Chicago River. The rise in violence quotion

122
00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,640
Speaker 2: of a major city like Chicago is like a whiff

123
00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,840
Speaker 2: of strong smelling salts or good cocaine. It clears the

124
00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,480
Speaker 2: head kickstarts the blood, and generates all kinds of razor

125
00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,920
Speaker 2: sharp thinking, including the stp squads planned to protect the Stones.

126
00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,800
Speaker 2: Even the band's formidable bodyguard, Big Leroy Leonard, is on

127
00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,640
Speaker 2: high alert. Man, this is the kind of town you

128
00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,800
Speaker 2: can get yourself mugged right on the street broad daylight,

129
00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:27,120
Speaker 2: he tells Robert Greenfield. Mugged if you're lucky. Adding to

130
00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,280
Speaker 2: the logistical headaches is the fact that Chicago's playing host

131
00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,800
Speaker 2: to a McDonald's convention at that very moment, and all

132
00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,760
Speaker 2: the desirable and defensible hotels are congested with eight hundred

133
00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,959
Speaker 2: Burger executives, all trying to figure out how to make

134
00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,000
Speaker 2: the Big Mac safe for America. Several other trade shows

135
00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,800
Speaker 2: were occurring simultaneously, meeting rooms were in short supply. Plus,

136
00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,120
Speaker 2: let's be honest, most of the finer establishments in town

137
00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,560
Speaker 2: weren't exactly thrilled at the prospect of hosting rock stars,

138
00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,600
Speaker 2: but thinking went, if the bands themselves didn't destroy the place,

139
00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:06,920
Speaker 2: than their fans Shirley would. So the STP tax squad

140
00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,560
Speaker 2: labor defined a location for the Stones that was both

141
00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,760
Speaker 2: secure and geographically convenient. The answer was a rather an

142
00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:18,000
Speaker 2: orthodox one. The Playboy Mansion, you know, the house that

143
00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,000
Speaker 2: hef built, the poor An Emporium, the Bunny Abbey, the

144
00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:26,840
Speaker 2: American dream House, or a towering monument of sexual exploitation

145
00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,000
Speaker 2: and misogyny, depending on your point of view. So, while

146
00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,400
Speaker 2: the rest of the SCP family are holed up at

147
00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,760
Speaker 2: a Hyatt by the airport some thirty miles away from

148
00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,240
Speaker 2: the action, half graciously agrees to host the Stones and

149
00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:52,160
Speaker 2: their inner codery.

150
00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:49,120
Speaker 5: They worked in Chicago.

151
00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,920
Speaker 6: They stayed in the mansion the whole Separate Book movie

152
00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,120
Speaker 6: documentary Gary.

153
00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:56,120
Speaker 5: They were there.

154
00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:57,600
Speaker 2: Three three nights, three nights.

155
00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, this is the insanity of this tour.

156
00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,560
Speaker 6: I was inconvenient. They were not near anybody else, no support. Yeah, fine,

157
00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,840
Speaker 6: Jagger must have said okay on this one.

158
00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:07,400
Speaker 7: He had to.

159
00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,080
Speaker 8: It was very nice men to adviias. I mean, you know,

160
00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,640
Speaker 8: because it was the nicest place we could stay in Chicago,

161
00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,200
Speaker 8: and we didn't know him.

162
00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,719
Speaker 7: It was very spitable. You have to just speak him

163
00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:17,960
Speaker 7: at all.

164
00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,400
Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, he's a very nice dude, you know, he's nice.

165
00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,720
Speaker 2: Located on a leafy street in Chicago's moneyed Gold Coast district,

166
00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,319
Speaker 2: it was certainly big enough. In fact, heff would later

167
00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,760
Speaker 2: lease it to the Art Institute of Chicago to be

168
00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,160
Speaker 2: used as a dorm, and the high gates out front

169
00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:40,120
Speaker 2: made it reasonably impenetrable to those wishing the stones harm.

170
00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,040
Speaker 2: Hugh Hefner, the man responsible for it all, had recently

171
00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,720
Speaker 2: hosted a TV show called Playboy After Dark, where bands

172
00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,480
Speaker 2: like The Grateful Dead and Deep Purple performed in his

173
00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,240
Speaker 2: living room, but this was merely a sound stage replica,

174
00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,199
Speaker 2: and the Bonome was similarly faked for the television cameras.

175
00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,400
Speaker 2: You know, hef wasn't exactly in the habit of inviting

176
00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,480
Speaker 2: Stone out rockers into his home, but when the STP

177
00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,920
Speaker 2: tax squad called and explained their predicament, he said, sure,

178
00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,920
Speaker 2: come on in. He's not really much of a fan,

179
00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,439
Speaker 2: but he's cross paths with Mike at LA parties once

180
00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,200
Speaker 2: or twice, and he very much liked his appearance and

181
00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,280
Speaker 2: the Nick Rogue Arthouse film performance. As Heffner told Robert

182
00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,600
Speaker 2: Greenfield in nineteen seventy two, the main purpose of the

183
00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,880
Speaker 2: Playboy mansion was the foster a salon culture of social

184
00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,640
Speaker 2: figures and celebrities alike. So why not have the stones?

185
00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,600
Speaker 9: The mansions are kind of a curious combination. Kater's first

186
00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,920
Speaker 9: and foremost went home, but it's a very special home,

187
00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:40,320
Speaker 9: so that nobody stays there.

188
00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:41,559
Speaker 8: I don't want them to stay there.

189
00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,959
Speaker 9: And the people who stay there are either people who

190
00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,800
Speaker 9: I know personally working close n or someone who I

191
00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,240
Speaker 9: may not yet know but whose work I admire, who he left.

192
00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,079
Speaker 9: But with the stones, even in that context, having the

193
00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,880
Speaker 9: stones there was something rather special or bold tay to.

194
00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,520
Speaker 10: Think Hefner was the one who wanted them to stay

195
00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,800
Speaker 10: theres not the other way around. Everybody wanted a piece

196
00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,520
Speaker 10: of the Stones, and the Stones were very selective in

197
00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,040
Speaker 10: who they would allow in, and they allowed Hefner to

198
00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,520
Speaker 10: let them stay at his place. You know, you would

199
00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,319
Speaker 10: not have thought that that was the case. They were

200
00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:14,559
Speaker 10: the stars, not Hefner, and.

201
00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,760
Speaker 6: The playmates had nothing to do with that decision.

202
00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:23,920
Speaker 2: No, despite the novelty of having playmates for housemates, the

203
00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,960
Speaker 2: Stones are feeling low when they show up at the

204
00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:30,439
Speaker 2: Playboy mansion just before midnight. They've come directly from Minneapolis,

205
00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,960
Speaker 2: where that night's concert was marred by Overzella's cops with

206
00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,439
Speaker 2: canisters of tear gas, and the smell remains a faint

207
00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,280
Speaker 2: tickle in their nostrils, more like jumping gas flash tonight,

208
00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,240
Speaker 2: Mick joked warily as their whisked the board their private plane. Afterwards.

209
00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,800
Speaker 2: Their mood hadn't improved by the time they arrived at

210
00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,960
Speaker 2: the mansion, where the vibes were decidedly bad. An attempt

211
00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,160
Speaker 2: had been made on Hefner's life shortly before the Stones visit,

212
00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,320
Speaker 2: and the failings of armed guards made the place looked

213
00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,640
Speaker 2: like the state home of some Eastern European dictator. They're

214
00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,880
Speaker 2: so strict that Charlie Watts, arguably the most nondescript Stone

215
00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,480
Speaker 2: and certainly the most low key, was mistakenly barred from

216
00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,360
Speaker 2: entering at first. Once that gets straightened out, they enter

217
00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,240
Speaker 2: to find the couches in the great front hall awash

218
00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,080
Speaker 2: with beautiful but bored looking women watching a screening of

219
00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,040
Speaker 2: a dull X rated movie called Is Their Sex After Death?

220
00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,079
Speaker 2: It all felt simultaneously stuffy and tawdry. If they weren't

221
00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,800
Speaker 2: so wiped, they would have turned around and left then

222
00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,840
Speaker 2: and there. Charlie Watts actually did, referring to stay somewhere

223
00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:44,720
Speaker 2: else down the street, but for the rest of the band,

224
00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:50,120
Speaker 2: their fatigue got weighed their distaste. Guitarist Mick Taylor explains.

225
00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,520
Speaker 3: I suppose I could have gone very critical about it.

226
00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,439
Speaker 3: I was just exhaustive and I got there, or I

227
00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,760
Speaker 3: was descended. I was sort of resting because it was

228
00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,520
Speaker 3: a midway through a ray strenuous.

229
00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:05,480
Speaker 2: To The energy just wasn't meshing, and the Stones wanted out.

230
00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,960
Speaker 2: But then their bodyguard, big Leroy Leonard takes them aside,

231
00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,200
Speaker 2: Hey have you guys actually taken a good look around

232
00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:18,440
Speaker 2: this place? The Stones had not toured the seventy room

233
00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,560
Speaker 2: thirty thousand square foot residents. And this was a crucial error.

234
00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:23,800
Speaker 7: You see.

235
00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,360
Speaker 2: This meant that they hadn't seen the oval shaped indoor

236
00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,960
Speaker 2: swimming pool and underwater tiki bar, also accessible by trapdoor

237
00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,000
Speaker 2: from the wood paneled living room. They hadn't seen the

238
00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:38,200
Speaker 2: steam rooms or sun rooms or gymnasium, nor the bowling alley,

239
00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,720
Speaker 2: or child's fantasy of a game room with flashing pinball

240
00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,240
Speaker 2: machines with free replays at a full sized pool table,

241
00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,400
Speaker 2: and state of the art video games primitive by today's standards,

242
00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,920
Speaker 2: but mind melting to a stoned out member of the

243
00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,000
Speaker 2: stp entourage. And they hadn't seen the chef permanently on

244
00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,160
Speaker 2: call twenty four hours a day at a cook you

245
00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:03,120
Speaker 2: whatever you desire in the possibly well stocked kitchen. Yes,

246
00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,840
Speaker 2: the Stones bodyguard gets them to open their minds and

247
00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:11,600
Speaker 2: consider the possibilities, which were fairly limitless after the Soso

248
00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,800
Speaker 2: hotels they've been sequestered in. The mansion is a place

249
00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,520
Speaker 2: to let go. It's like Disneyland for sense freaks, an

250
00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:24,560
Speaker 2: epicurean island where your every wish comes true. To better

251
00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,400
Speaker 2: understand exactly how stunning this was to the Stones, who'd

252
00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,160
Speaker 2: already been world famous for the better part of a decade.

253
00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,120
Speaker 2: It's important to know where they came from. Bassist Bill Lyman,

254
00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,440
Speaker 2: for example, was the son of a bricklayer. His upbringing

255
00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,640
Speaker 2: was practically Dickensian compared to this.

256
00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,920
Speaker 11: We had guest lights in our home until five years

257
00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:49,160
Speaker 11: before I got married, So fifteen years, sixteen, seventeen, seventeen

258
00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,760
Speaker 11: years ago the guest lights. We had no hot water,

259
00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,160
Speaker 11: We had no bell too, and the toilet was outside.

260
00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,960
Speaker 11: And I never had a bathroom until I've been married

261
00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,000
Speaker 11: two years and I moved into a flat that was

262
00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:03,440
Speaker 11: past sixty five.

263
00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,920
Speaker 12: Never had a bathroom in the house or retire. Yeah,

264
00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,080
Speaker 12: hot water in the house.

265
00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:14,360
Speaker 2: Running Mick had a more middle class childhood, but he

266
00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,800
Speaker 2: and Keith spent the band's early years sharing a legendarily

267
00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,480
Speaker 2: squalid apartment with founding Rolling Stone Brian Jones.

268
00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,880
Speaker 6: They lived together communally in this awful flat in Chelsea,

269
00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,880
Speaker 6: Edith Grove. Okay, nobody cleaned anything. They lived like animals.

270
00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,960
Speaker 2: The kitchen was the worst of it. Dishes would pile

271
00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,280
Speaker 2: up until the food scraps congealed. The substances that didn't

272
00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,600
Speaker 2: seem of this earth. Keith would describe the greasy, discarded

273
00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,960
Speaker 2: pans as junked pyramids of foulness that no one could

274
00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:50,080
Speaker 2: bear to touch. A fourth roommate, who shall remain nameless,

275
00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,960
Speaker 2: would welcome the trio home from gigs late at night

276
00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,000
Speaker 2: by standing at the top of the stairs and showering

277
00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,600
Speaker 2: them with his own fresh urine. Mick and Keith's mothers

278
00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,280
Speaker 2: would sometimes come by and make a valiant effort to

279
00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,520
Speaker 2: straighten up, but it would never last. Lights were switched

280
00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,760
Speaker 2: off immediately whenever dates were brought back to prevent the

281
00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,200
Speaker 2: lady from getting a glimpse of the place and fleeing

282
00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:18,040
Speaker 2: in terror. Bill Wyman, a frequent guest, remembered it well too.

283
00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,960
Speaker 12: Well, those were really amazing times.

284
00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,520
Speaker 11: You can never get it across the people, how difficult,

285
00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:27,080
Speaker 11: how weird those times were. You know, Brian and Keith

286
00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,360
Speaker 11: were starving in the winter of sixty two sixty three,

287
00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,040
Speaker 11: and they were starving and their money they're know, eating

288
00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,400
Speaker 11: in their flat, no food. I don't know what they

289
00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,320
Speaker 11: were doing, but they were existing. Knows about it. If

290
00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,600
Speaker 11: Charlie ever came and they would bound a few bob

291
00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,919
Speaker 11: off him to ganghas and pies and all I ever saw.

292
00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,159
Speaker 12: I mean it was like apple tarts. You could buy

293
00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:46,320
Speaker 12: it for seven monce or something.

294
00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,000
Speaker 11: It was really soon and the place stank, and the

295
00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:54,320
Speaker 11: manager was broken and had this great collection of empty

296
00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,720
Speaker 11: milkpoles with various forms of and.

297
00:17:58,760 --> 00:17:59,720
Speaker 12: Ages of mold.

298
00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,640
Speaker 11: They had like faulty of them in the kitchen, all

299
00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:07,560
Speaker 11: in lines grow yeah great, yeah.

300
00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:07,439
Speaker 12: Never forget that.

301
00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,000
Speaker 11: And they used to write with the candle on the

302
00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,520
Speaker 11: ceiling with the black of the candle. You know, you

303
00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,280
Speaker 11: used to get candle lighted and used to write all

304
00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,600
Speaker 11: these things on the ceiling in this black smoke. There's

305
00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,800
Speaker 11: all this writing all over the ceilings in black. It's amazing.

306
00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,400
Speaker 11: You never find anywhere to sit. Standing was quite.

307
00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,960
Speaker 12: Hard because there's rubbish and everywhere. It's terrible. And now

308
00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:29,720
Speaker 12: it really was bad.

309
00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,560
Speaker 2: They'd come a long way in the intervening decade, but

310
00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,000
Speaker 2: you never truly shake poverty. Once it's hit your system,

311
00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,680
Speaker 2: it stays with you forever, becoming the point against which

312
00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:45,800
Speaker 2: all their life experiences are measured. For Bill Wyman, contrasting

313
00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,679
Speaker 2: the Playboy Mansion with Edith Grove, or the unending string

314
00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,840
Speaker 2: of subpar SDP hotels for that matter, was dis orienting,

315
00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:54,800
Speaker 2: to say the least.

316
00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,480
Speaker 11: It wasn't like hotel. It was a different to It

317
00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,480
Speaker 11: wasn't even a house, I think it was. It was

318
00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:02,240
Speaker 11: kind of your own.

319
00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:03,960
Speaker 12: You had your own room. You have been a really

320
00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,000
Speaker 12: nice room there and when you went in the room,

321
00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:07,760
Speaker 12: you had everything you wanted in that room.

322
00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:07,960
Speaker 13: You know.

323
00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,360
Speaker 12: It wasn't I anywhere else. It wasn't eleven night home.

324
00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:12,040
Speaker 12: You had a hair dryer.

325
00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,560
Speaker 11: You had a woman's hair you know, the thing that

326
00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,760
Speaker 11: got over the head, every one of those.

327
00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:17,960
Speaker 12: You had a razors there.

328
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,919
Speaker 11: You had a whole cabinet solid full with cosmetics and

329
00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:27,320
Speaker 11: after shave and the soaps, and I mean it was everything.

330
00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,080
Speaker 12: You had hair dryers, you had put makeup mirrors.

331
00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, you had stereo system.

332
00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:34,840
Speaker 7: You had to wake up radio for the.

333
00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:35,880
Speaker 12: Clock, you know there.

334
00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,879
Speaker 11: You had a sport table recorder all done it and

335
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,560
Speaker 11: stereo with radio and record player.

336
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:43,880
Speaker 12: And you had books there.

337
00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,720
Speaker 11: And I mean you could just go to your room

338
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,679
Speaker 11: and stay there for two years if you wanted to.

339
00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,840
Speaker 11: I'm sure people do that there, you know, and just

340
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,680
Speaker 11: phone out if you wanted anything, whatever it might be,

341
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:53,320
Speaker 11: you could get it.

342
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,640
Speaker 12: It was fantastically organized, super American.

343
00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, after taking it all in, the Stones decided what

344
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,679
Speaker 2: the heck Let's stay at the Playboy Mansion. But if

345
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 2: a good night's sleep was what they were looking for,

346
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:28,320
Speaker 2: they wouldn't find it here. A pair of snakeskin boots

347
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 2: rest on a polished hardwood table. The table belongs to

348
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 2: Hugh Hefner. The boots belong to Keith Richards. His scrawnee

349
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 2: scarecrow frame is sprawled across the couch in a wooden

350
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 2: paneled hall the size of a football field. He takes

351
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 2: in the increasingly surreal scene before him. The biggest British

352
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,879
Speaker 2: rock band in the world is currently at play in

353
00:20:53,920 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 2: the Temple of the American Dream, Chicago's Playboy Mansion. Despite

354
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 2: the slightly awkward arrival, the Stones have made themselves at home.

355
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 2: Keith openly muses about painting his room black, you know,

356
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,639
Speaker 2: a little something for have to remember them by. No

357
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 2: one sure if he's joking. As far as Keith is concerned.

358
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 2: The man of the house must have known what he

359
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 2: was getting himself into.

360
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 4: There's a few possibilities as far as he's concerned. You know,

361
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,360
Speaker 4: we just complete the young koothlous.

362
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 12: That would have sort of.

363
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 4: Tried to destroy the place, in which case he would

364
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 4: have thrown it out, or we'd been very boring musicians

365
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 4: that sitting around in their bedrooms working out a new

366
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,400
Speaker 4: song as all the time, which case that wouldn't bother him,

367
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:43,719
Speaker 4: or we're living it up.

368
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 7: Eh.

369
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 4: We happen to be at that point in the two

370
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 4: where we were able to do that.

371
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 7: You know.

372
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 2: Hugh Hefner, for one, is delighted that the ice has

373
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:53,719
Speaker 2: been broken.

374
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 9: Although I had met MC a couple of times before,

375
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 9: neither one of us moved you know or another that well,

376
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 9: obviously I had good vibes about it in general, or

377
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 9: would not have said yes in the first place, but

378
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 9: neither of us now exactly what to respect. So indeed

379
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,880
Speaker 9: is you know the first eating there was a kind

380
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 9: of period of adjustment, and I think it really at

381
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 9: turned into a ball.

382
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 2: The music signaled the changeover, like a gorilla army coming

383
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 2: out of the mountains to seize the local radio station.

384
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 2: The Stones convinced hef to get a hold of his

385
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 2: personal electrician, who links up Keith's cassette player with the

386
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 2: house stereo. Soon the big band crooners are gone, as Aretha,

387
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 2: Jerry Lee and the Coasters comes spilling out of the speakers.

388
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 2: The baggage man and the Stones bodyguards start dancing with

389
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 2: one another, and the chaos starts to spread. It's turning

390
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 2: into a rock and roll sockhop as stp people arrive

391
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 2: in droves. Robert Greenfield and Gary Stromberg are among them.

392
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 6: It was astonishing to be in the mansion. The mansion

393
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 6: was this stately brownstone in Zana. Do the pleasure dome decree.

394
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 6: They were all these arcade games, like a pinball machines. Yeah,

395
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 6: and you know, food was shirt twenty four hour a

396
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 6: day kitchen.

397
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 10: You can order whatever you wanted. They would prepare it

398
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 10: for you. Yeah, there was no menu. If they just

399
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 10: order what you want, we'll get it.

400
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 2: Should you ask the butler what's for dinner? You're getting amused?

401
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: Anything you like? Well, nothing special? What do you got?

402
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 2: We have everything? What do you prefer? How about some

403
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 2: fish baked, broiled, fried, cold, lobster tails, perhaps with lopster

404
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 2: tail suffice. He's only too happy to bring it to you.

405
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 2: Bassist Bill Wyman spent most of his time in the

406
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 2: game room trying to break the high score.

407
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 11: Games room was fantastic downstairs in the polls, I mean

408
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 11: you could.

409
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 12: It was set up that places set up to do

410
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 12: anything you wanted to, any time of the day or night,

411
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 12: wherever you want.

412
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 11: You could play table tennis, you coulday village, you could

413
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 11: play There was thirty different games he's got.

414
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 12: On the top of these bimball machines.

415
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 7: But you've got record scores, you.

416
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 11: Know, the top ten records scores are on that. They're

417
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 11: fantastic score. I mean one hundred and thirty hours and.

418
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 12: You know one I got a good score one day

419
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 12: and the next day I found my name about fifth

420
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 12: position on one.

421
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 2: Of these boat Bill would strike up a kinship with

422
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 2: Heaf based on a shared passion for backgammon. They spend

423
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 2: hours sitting in a long wooden table like Barren's, playing

424
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 2: contest after contest, but now HEF's deepened conversation with Mick Jagger,

425
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 2: blackbriar pipe in one hand and pepsi cola in the other.

426
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 2: He holds court beneath a huge Picasso canvas of a

427
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: reclining female nude. Naturally, Keith Richards stifles a laugh as

428
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,479
Speaker 2: he looks on from the couch Hef and Mick. On

429
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 2: the surface, it's such an incongresous pairing. The quintessential fifties Hepcat,

430
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 2: self styled sophisticate and the captain of the Roving High

431
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 2: It Nation of seventies rock together at last, look at Hafner,

432
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: Keith says, chuckling into his tequila sunrise making conversation, bridging

433
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 2: the generation gap. He's my father's dream. But the gap

434
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: isn't as wide as he might expect, making half are

435
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: two very different kinds of outlaws, but outlaws just the same,

436
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 2: presenting two distinctly different alternative lifestyles for two distinctly different times.

437
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: According to Hefner, the common ground wasn't hard to find you,

438
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: there were some paps.

439
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 14: Some of the basis for the contact or the communication

440
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 14: between you and the rowing them, Mick, was the fact

441
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 14: that both of you had essentially rejected prescribed code of

442
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 14: behavior and in different ways of term formulating Yes, I

443
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 14: think's really I.

444
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 9: Think I think a part of it was Playboy makes

445
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 9: you to represent the establishment a pin that's just a

446
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 9: result of having been around for you know, eighteen or

447
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 9: twenty years and having been terribly successful in you know,

448
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 9: the actual fact of the matter is that Playboy as

449
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 9: a concept and Playboy as a success was a form

450
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 9: of counter culture or an alternate lifestyle. That's really at

451
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 9: the heart of what Playboy was all about.

452
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 8: I mean, that really is what Playboy is all about,

453
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 8: what I'm all about.

454
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 9: I was raised in a very pure and orthodox Methodist home,

455
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 9: and Playboy really came out of my own deep prebellion

456
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 9: to the.

457
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 8: Stones, came out of city, it came out of England,

458
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 8: you know, gray establishment England.

459
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 9: And you know, it's almost because the counterculture of the

460
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 9: moment is it is much more reflected in the rock

461
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 9: music and aggressive, destructive, anti establishment kind of thing. To talk

462
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 9: about anything like that is so materialistically oriented and leisure

463
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 9: time and fun oriented as Playboy as a counterculture thing

464
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 9: doesn't ring true unless you think about.

465
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 8: It a little bit.

466
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: To Keith and the rest of the Stones, Hefner's attempt

467
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 2: to liken himself to them and their scene just seemed laughable,

468
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: the attempt of an aging man desperate to prove his potency.

469
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 2: But young rebels so often forget that those in charge

470
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: the dreaded establishment were once the new kids too, filled

471
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: with vim and vigor and out to change the world.

472
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 2: Most fail and disappear without a trace, but succeeding can

473
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: be a crueler fate. Hafner's been around long enough to

474
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: see that through acceptance, all revolutions, from social movements to

475
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 2: fashions to rock bands, gradually drift towards the middle of

476
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: the road.

477
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 9: First of all, it's very special and belongs to a

478
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 9: little group alone. Then it's fresh. I mean, you certainly

479
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 9: saw that with the Bells, where it was like a

480
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 9: kid thinking. Then it was the heads of state. And

481
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 9: then when it reaches that level, the need for their

482
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 9: own special thing for the young must essentially then move

483
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 9: on and discover something else that can be their own.

484
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 9: I mean, otherwise, each generation has a need to not

485
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 9: simply be a carbon copy of their parents. It may

486
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 9: not be rebellion in each generation, as we've seen it

487
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 9: in the last one or two, you know, a real

488
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 9: rejection of so many of the basic values of the

489
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 9: previous generation, but a variation on that theme is always

490
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 9: just and has to exist to some degree. That's the

491
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 9: way you would established in some countries that you're independence.

492
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 8: You say, I'm me. I'm not just my father or

493
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 8: my mother. I'm me.

494
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: The stones don't want to know that this piteous dinosaur

495
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: will one day be them sooner or later. And the

496
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: way things are going probably sooner. Displayed on the polished

497
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: leather couch being served trays of sweet, creamy chocolate, Declaire

498
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: is by a butler. It's becoming hard for Keith to

499
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 2: deny the band's own drift towards the middle. His presence

500
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 2: in this very room proves that they've gained the kind

501
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 2: of social respectability that no other group could lay claim to.

502
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: Just a few short years ago, Keith wouldn't have been

503
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: allowed anywhere near the place. Some member of the black

504
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: suited walkie talkie presidential caliber security operatives manning the front

505
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: door would have taken him aside and told them to

506
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: get a haircut, a job, and a new attitude, and

507
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: then try coming around. And yet now here he is.

508
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: He was still surprised when talking about with Robert Greenfield

509
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: a short time later. Here he is, courtesy of our

510
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: friends at the Northwestern University Archives.

511
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 7: Do you find it weird that you were there at all?

512
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I thought it was sweet.

513
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 7: I mean, you think you would have been let in

514
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 7: there in sixty nine or you know what I mean.

515
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 4: I don't know the reasons for I mean, I don't

516
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 4: know when he reached a point when he would have

517
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 4: accepted the Rolling Stones staying as much, you know. I mean,

518
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 4: it's very difficult to say if you'd have let us

519
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 4: in there in sixty nine, it's probably not you know, I.

520
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 7: Mean, would you want it to go on sixty ten?

521
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have felt any different about it at sixty

522
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 4: nine and never mored in seventy six. It's a comfortable bed,

523
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 4: you know, and a few distractions.

524
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 12: It makes a change from a hotel anywhere, you know,

525
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 12: just stayed anywhere. That gives an office a break from

526
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 12: a straight hotel.

527
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 7: Still, I mean, I thought that a lot of it

528
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 7: was a joke. I mean, for your it got I

529
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 7: mean because it was.

530
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 4: It was funny, you know, pre a chance to be

531
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 4: lighthearted for a few He was a very ambiguous sort

532
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 4: of respectability, you know. I mean, my mother a dormustry

533
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 4: for a one hundred and something funnies and at the same.

534
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 3: Time the house of this very liberal.

535
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 4: Gentleman, you know who. I can't really put him all together,

536
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know. He just borrows a little

537
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 4: bit from everywhere, you know, this sticks it all together.

538
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 6: I mean, Hefner was really interesting. He was so white,

539
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 6: you know, so from another era, fifties broken. All these

540
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 6: sexual and cultural taboos changed America very substantively. And it

541
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 6: sounds like a joke, but had really good writing and Playboy.

542
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 6: Really good people wrote for Playboy, really good journalists, really

543
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 6: good novelists. He paid top dollar and so he could

544
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 6: get the writing. I don't know if anybody read the articles,

545
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 6: but that's neither here nor there. It's Gary's point all

546
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 6: over again. Half wanted to get his hip ticket punched,

547
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 6: and he could only do it by having the Stones

548
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 6: stay with him.

549
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 5: And they were up. It's like Gary said, yeah, we'll

550
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 5: do this.

551
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 10: And they weren't deferential to him at all, not at all.

552
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: No, No, you observe.

553
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 10: This, and you think that this was Hefner like was

554
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 10: worked his way into the being near the stones, rather

555
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 10: than the stones working their way into the mansion.

556
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 5: They were so unimpressed, yea, so unimpressed. They weren't particularly

557
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 5: nasty or no.

558
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 10: No, no, it just didn't mean anything to them. They

559
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 10: were the Stones and they could go anywhere they want,

560
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 10: to do anything they wanted, and everybody would count out

561
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 10: to them, including Efner.

562
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: Bill Wyman was certainly skeptical at first, but he was

563
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: won over by HEF's charm and patience while teaching him backgammon.

564
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 11: I was kind of ridicule the playworth and I still

565
00:31:54,120 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 11: doing the work. Was the compass ego searching guy that

566
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 11: didn't really look real, you know, and wasn't very strong

567
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 11: or anything. Where I met him. I still thought it

568
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 11: for the first half an hour because I never really

569
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 11: sat and talked to him, but I saw him that

570
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 11: he was in our presence, and during those few days

571
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 11: I found him to be a very nice person, very friendly,

572
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 11: and nothing was too much trouble.

573
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 12: But he's a very good host. Absolutely he always felt

574
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 12: oh I did. I always felt that he did.

575
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 11: He liked you.

576
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 12: There was no kind of keeping.

577
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 11: Away or scenes going on, bad scenes, I mean any

578
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 11: bad vives. And he would spend an hour or so

579
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 11: teaching someone to player a game.

580
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 12: No hang up, then too busy. There was none of

581
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 12: that scene.

582
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: Half meanwhile, apparently never learned Bill's name. He was a

583
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: little shaky with the non Glimmer twin Stones.

584
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 9: One of the guys was learning back and I happened

585
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 9: be really good at the game.

586
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 8: Was part of one good evening, you know, just draw

587
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 8: on some of them. Did he speak of Charlie laugh,

588
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 8: you know?

589
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 7: The dummer was any recollect.

590
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 8: I'm not sure who was it they're playing. I'm not sure.

591
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 8: I'm not positive.

592
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: Guitarist Mick Taylor, the new guy in the band, never

593
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: got any FaceTime with helf and he was kind of

594
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: okay with that.

595
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: I didn't even meet Hugh Hefner, you see, he didn't

596
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 3: meet him once. I saw him playing backgammon with girls,

597
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: but I didn't meet him or speak to him. I

598
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 3: think people's tend to get put off because of what

599
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 3: it stands for, you know, the whole playboy philosophy.

600
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: Ah, yes, the philosophy without which the intellectual elite might

601
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: confuse hef for a petty smut peddler. For all of

602
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: Hugh Hefner's intellectualism and high flute manifestos heralding a bold

603
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: new era of personal freedom, few would forget or forgive

604
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: that this freedom only extended to men, and his empire

605
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: was built on flesh. To some, especially those in the

606
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: burgeoning National Organization of Women, the mansion might as well

607
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: have been the stinking stockyards on Chicago's South Side. But

608
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: you'd have to ask the bunnies and playmates about that,

609
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: and you easily can, because they're everywhere. The mansion contains

610
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: a two floor dormitory which houses upwards of two dozen

611
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: young professional women, all in possession of what toothpaste ads

612
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: would describe as a winning smile. They're soldiers in the

613
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 2: Playboy Army. The playmates outrank the bunnies by virtue of

614
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: having appeared with a staple across their middrift and the

615
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: center spread of the magazine, thus providing a momentary distraction

616
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: for those hungry for the latest Knobakov short story or

617
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: an expose on rising divorce rates. It costs bunnies fifty

618
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: dollars a month to live in the mansion are about

619
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: four hundred and twenty and today's dollars plus food. Of course,

620
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 2: they're forbidden from having male visitors or consuming alcohol unless

621
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: Heff himself offers. They're even subject to memos, including this one,

622
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: that are during the Stone Stay June twentieth, nineteen seventy two.

623
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: Dear Bunnies, when was the last time you took a

624
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: really good look at yourselves and your job? Have you

625
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: considered how important you are to us? You, each and

626
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: every one, make Playboy different and exciting. The bunny concept

627
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: has been responsible for the founding of an empire. The

628
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: memo then rambles on for seven paragraphs about the rules

629
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: of Bunny punctuality before concluding, get your acts together, ladies,

630
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: we're running a business here. Keep in mind that no

631
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: one else would take the time or make the effort

632
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: we do. You'd be out the door. In other words,

633
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: watch it or go back from whence you can. Hugh

634
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: Hefner views it all a little more altruistically. He sees

635
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: the mansion as a safe haven, offering women with limited

636
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 2: options a lucrative alternative to bad life situations.

637
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 9: What the Bunny really are our cross section of young

638
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 9: physically attracted girl who were drawn to the job for

639
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 9: a variety of reasons, among which are that it is

640
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 9: an ideal job for a girl without any other kinds

641
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 9: of experience, to get away from home, to get out

642
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 9: of allows.

643
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 8: Your marriage, etc.

644
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 2: They're worse in the real stories, to be sure. Certainly

645
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: some did escape trouble in their past, only to become

646
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: figures of renown in multiple senses, crazing the walls of

647
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 2: army barracks and auto body shops. Indeed, certain members of

648
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: the STP crew, including Robert Greenfield, found themselves starstruck in

649
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: their presence.

650
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 6: What was going on at the mansion was it was

651
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 6: you know, hot and cold playmates running in and out

652
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 6: and running out.

653
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 5: They were dressed.

654
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 6: I'm not going there, but I mean, if you were

655
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 6: I always refer to myself as a kid, if you

656
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 6: were living in America back then, you knew them. It's like,

657
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 6: oh my god, January nineteen sixty eight. You know, you

658
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 6: know if you were that, if you were that, Oh

659
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 6: my god. I saw her when I was in high school.

660
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 6: They were all around and they were keeping score of

661
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 6: which one of them had slept with more rolling stones

662
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 6: than the other.

663
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: The ladies of the Playboy Mansion were aggressive. Some of

664
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: the braver ones walk straight up to the stp had

665
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: haunchos and say, Joy tells me, you're a bitch, dominate me.

666
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 2: It was chauvinism of the first order, coming from all sides.

667
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: Hef had some thoughts on this.

668
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 9: The starfucker phenomenon is something that is older than I am,

669
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 9: and that is just a coarse term for something that

670
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 9: we're talking.

671
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 8: About that is a way.

672
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 9: That a person lives out a part of their fantasy life. Absolutely,

673
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 9: I mean these are wrong. Matter of fact, the Sinatra

674
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 9: becomes a much better application in terms of, you know,

675
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 9: a previous generation, because it's exactly what's going on. In

676
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 9: other words, it is a variation on that. Then you

677
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 9: have to go beyond that in terms of implications in

678
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 9: terms of lifestyle, etc. But of course also that's a

679
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 9: part of what invariation goes on there.

680
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 8: Other times too, because they are living up to a

681
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 8: variation on the theme related to later on, you know,

682
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 8: there is a.

683
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 9: Lot of sex at the house, and we have twenty

684
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 9: five girls living in the house.

685
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 8: In the dormitory.

686
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 9: There is, however, and this is often a disappointment with

687
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 9: other people who arrived, no kind of organized sort of

688
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 9: you go with him, you know nothing. There is not

689
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 9: even the vague pseudo prostitutional element anywhere in the play

690
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 9: with thing, just because for me that is just a

691
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 9: person that you know, it maybe is one and a

692
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 9: half morality and one half personal turn off.

693
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 8: It's all individual initiative. As matter Factloria Steinham did a

694
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 8: thing like that when she did a so called interview

695
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 8: with me that wound up.

696
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 9: Being ninety nine percent her fantasis and one percent or whatever,

697
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 9: you know, the actual interview. When she started out with

698
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 9: a story about a guy arriving at the house, and

699
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 9: as soon as he arrived the Playboard exactly ask him

700
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 9: a people like a bunny and sending him a bunny

701
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 9: to his room, and half.

702
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 8: An hour later on the phone, well, how it was it?

703
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: Well that's put In his twenty ten memoir Life, Keith

704
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: Richards observes that the rolling Stones quote worked with the

705
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: lowest pimps to the highest, the highest being Hefner a pimp. Nonetheless,

706
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: his opinion was only slightly more generous when speaking of

707
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: Robert Greenfield back in nineteen seventy two, arguably more wounding

708
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: to their host. Keith was certain that the Stones visit

709
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: was the funkiest the Playboy Mansion had ever been, and

710
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: that they were the ones who brought the debauchery, looseness

711
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 2: and fun.

712
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 4: I mean, you could just tell it the day he

713
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 4: walked in, and that place isn't very rarely like that,

714
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 4: just from the way people were acting. And I should

715
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 4: think that an ordinary evening in the mansion is Hefner

716
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 4: sitting under the spotlight, playing back and with Frank Sinatra

717
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 4: on the stereo computer Hi Fi volume number one.

718
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, hef took offense to the notion that he didn't

719
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: set the tempo for swinging in his home. Greenfield offered

720
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: him a chance for rebuttal, and the forty six year

721
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: old fought manfully to regain his reputation as a sex

722
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: god amidst younger and more virile men who outnumbered him

723
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: five to one.

724
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 9: They weren't aware of what the grounds are like when

725
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 9: they weren't there. Free and open sex's comin place.

726
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 14: In terms of fucking, there was a lot of fucking

727
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 14: you are on on, I mean a lot of people

728
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 14: getting it on in all.

729
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 7: Kinds of places. And the house is that usual or unusual.

730
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 7: I've only been there with film, so I don't know.

731
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 8: It's neither usual nor unusual.

732
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 9: It is usual, and there's a lot of fucking going

733
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 9: on around the house, but not in the kind of intense,

734
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 9: hyper kind of got to get it on kind of

735
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 9: thing that was going on during those three nits.

736
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 8: But I don't think they really believe. I don't think

737
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 8: Keith really believes that it just was their show while

738
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 8: over there, you see, you don't say that if you

739
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 8: believe it.

740
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 9: You say it when you're kind of overwhelmed and what's

741
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 9: happening when it's essentially kind of more than news.

742
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hefner was similar to Mick Jagger and that he

743
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: possessed unusual levels of self awareness. Both understood that they

744
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 2: lived lives that existed chiefly in daydreams. As such, each

745
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: constantly tried to calculate how they were being perceived from

746
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 2: the public at large, down to the person across the table.

747
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: Half developed a theory that the Playboy mystique distorted his

748
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: own image, creating a pair of distinct but inaccurate personas.

749
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 9: That's another curious thing related to the fantasies that have

750
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 9: to do with me and Playboy.

751
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 8: They're actually they take two distinct forms. One is that

752
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 8: we must.

753
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 15: Be into and that I personally must be into something

754
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 15: related to say that was personally invented. I mean, there's

755
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 15: a direct parallel with the US, aren't right. Whether it's

756
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 15: doing some kind of special actics that have been.

757
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 8: Done before, then there is a reaction to that.

758
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 9: Did also very computer, which which is a very understaining

759
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 9: where I'm getting a part of the population cannot stand

760
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 9: that slot and therefore if there was a rejection of it,

761
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 9: that takes the form of well it's really all pepticola

762
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 9: and popcorn, or it's really just a big business or

763
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 9: each queer, and those are all very understandable because that's

764
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 9: the kind of thing of nobody can have it as

765
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 9: good as that seems to be, So I'm going to

766
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 9: find something that makes it possible for me to survive.

767
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 7: The twuth is closer to.

768
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 8: The former than the latter.

769
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,959
Speaker 9: One of the reasons for the existence of Playboy is

770
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 9: the magazine and the lifestyle described there, which obviously has

771
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 9: a significant elements of fantasy, and it are my fantasies,

772
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 9: my adolescent fantasy when I grew up. And what I

773
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 9: didn't imagine work occur when I began publishing.

774
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 8: The damn thing is.

775
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 9: That it became so posterously successful, and the fantasy became

776
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 9: for me in reality my world and the house there

777
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 9: and hearing is filled with some of those beautiful, physically beautiful.

778
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 8: Ladies in the world.

779
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 9: And then we go from there and say, but nonetheless,

780
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 9: even in that prior frame of reference, those three or

781
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 9: four days were something a little more intense ongoing out

782
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 9: in the open than as usual.

783
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 8: We do have our scenes from.

784
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 9: Time to time, and you know, they may be in

785
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 9: the Roman bath or wherever.

786
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 2: The Roman baths, or's private pool sized jacuzzi has been

787
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: an object of intrigue for the STP crowd since they arrived.

788
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: It represents the ultimate inner circle, a massive holy grail

789
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 2: of social acceptance, capable of fitting twenty five people. If

790
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: riding in a limo with even just one of the

791
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 2: Stones was a gas, imagine being naked and Hugh Hefner's

792
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: personal tub with the band and a bunch of models.

793
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: Once the ideas floated, it becomes hard for anyone to

794
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 2: think of anything else. Some of the ladies giggle and

795
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 2: lean over to hef asking if it's okay if they could,

796
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: and he says yes. What else is U Heffner going

797
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 2: to say?

798
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 6: And there was some scene where the Stones and Hefner

799
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 6: were smoking dope I'm sure, with playmates naked and the jacuzzi,

800
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 6: and they were all eyeing one another waiting for the

801
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 6: orgy to start.

802
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 5: But nothing happened.

803
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: I seen the jacuzzi.

804
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 5: I got my way into the with the Stones in half.

805
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 10: One of the stones, and I don't remember who, maybe

806
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 10: it was, I don't remember that, but I got my.

807
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 2: Way into the jacuzzi.

808
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 10: That was my goal while I was there.

809
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: Once it becomes clear that there will be no orgy

810
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: in his tub. Hef retires to his private quarters with

811
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: a lady on each arm. They settle in the watch

812
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: some videotapes in his enormous circular bed, which rotates and

813
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 2: vibrates and has more knobs and buttons than a Boeing

814
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: seven forty seven cockpit. With hef in the middle smoking

815
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: his pipe. It looks like some absurd parody of suburban domesticity.

816
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: Leave it to Beaver on DMT. It might be noon,

817
00:44:42,080 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: but HEF's ready to say good night. The madness had

818
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: been going full tilt inside the mansion for several days.

819
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: It intensifies after midnight, when Hefner's up and about. But

820
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: what is midnight anyway? Day and night have long since

821
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: lost their meaning. This is partially due to the absence

822
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 2: of sunlight. Look at casino. The shades are permanently drawn,

823
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 2: casting the interiors into permanently party ready darkness. And the

824
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: drugs certainly don't help either. The Stones tour doctor, who

825
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: was never exactly stingy with his prescriptions, is dangerously close

826
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: to what we might now term a sex addict. He's

827
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 2: frequently indisposed, and in these delicate moments, the stp Coterie

828
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: take great pleasure in rifling through his bag and helping

829
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: themselves to his pharmacological goodies and helf good host that

830
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: he is has a plentiful stash as well. So take

831
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: a pill to relax, maybe a little coke to make

832
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: everything a little sharper up, some grass to take the

833
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 2: edge off the cove, and then a little tequila to

834
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 2: give the whole buzz some depth. Now, after several days

835
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: of this, it's easy to see why the whole scene

836
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 2: is starting to feel kind of space out. When Robert

837
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 2: Greenfield asks Mick Jagger for his memories from the mansion

838
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: a short time later, the singer comes up short.

839
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 7: What did you think of the mess?

840
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 8: I can't feel I can't remember the mansions? Okay, it

841
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 8: was a bit of loaded. That was a bit sort

842
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 8: of memory playing.

843
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: Whether he's serious or just doesn't want to say anything

844
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: incriminating on tape remains to be seen. Mick Taylor, on

845
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: the other hand, was a little more forthcoming.

846
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 3: It was just good fun, you know it was. I mean,

847
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 3: I put it this way, if every hotel that we

848
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 3: would have stayed in in America, and that too, and

849
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 3: they were the same as that, we would have absolutely exhausted.

850
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 3: He wouldn't have any strength to down a rock and

851
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 3: roll to but it was a nice sort of halfway house.

852
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: They get evangelical about the craziness. One of the waiters,

853
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: a young kid trying to earn his stripes with the

854
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 2: visiting rock stars, keeps telling everyone how much he likes

855
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: to get high. Someone in the stp contingent, clearly smelling ps,

856
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 2: decides to give him something else to smell. The next

857
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: time the waiter enters carrying a full tray of tequila Sunrises.

858
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 2: They dash over and crack an able nitrate capsule under

859
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: his nose. The waiter smiles the show he's hip before

860
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: the rush hits his frontal cortex like a tornado. Then

861
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 2: he's off wheeling and staggering, sending the tray crashing to

862
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 2: the floor in stoned super slow mo Keith richards Hey,

863
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: the gentleman, crouches to the floor and gives him a

864
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 2: hand with the mess. As soon as he stops laughing.

865
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: Heff is ready to fire the poor guy before the

866
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: stones intervene on mass in his behalf. He wasn't the

867
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: only member of Hefner's staff to indulge the ladies in

868
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: residents seem to be exploiting a loophole in helf'sno drinking

869
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: policy by openly soliciting every other substance in the physician's

870
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: desk reference, Got any beans? Want to ask Robert Greenfield? Beans?

871
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 9: You know?

872
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: Quayludes. They're my second favorite drug. The first is made

873
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: obvious by the tiny silver spoon that hangs from a

874
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: chain around her neck. The bunnies like to get high

875
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: in pretty much every way imaginable, but mostly through the

876
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: use of these hypnotics, which Respectable America is just swinging

877
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: into in the summer of seventy two. For the uninitiated,

878
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 2: quayludes insert a warm and fuzzy feeling into that portion

879
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: of the brain that usually inhibits action. They're great for

880
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: falling down, sleeping with people you might not otherwise speak to,

881
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 2: and forgetting your own name. There's a strong case to

882
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: be made that coeludes the drug of the year for

883
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy two, much as nineteen sixty seven was a

884
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: good year for LSD and nineteen sixty nine was the

885
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: year the coke took off. During the Stone Stay, the

886
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: women of Playboy Mansion will have all the best to smoke, sniff,

887
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: and pop. This all surprises Robert Greenfield. In the Twilight

888
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 2: of the sixties, such behavior was the purview of freaks

889
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: and fringe dwellers. Using drugs, or at least the right

890
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: kind of drugs, was the sign of a free spirited seeker.

891
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: Getting high might as well been short for getting on

892
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 2: a higher plane of consciousness. Drugs made you enlightened, at

893
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: least that's what longtime heads stole themselves. By breaking the

894
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: law and ingesting this pseudo sacred sacrament, you were opting

895
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: out of the world as it was and embarking on

896
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: a voyage of self discovery, one that would benefit yourself

897
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 2: and ultimately humanity. Greenfield couldn't be sure, but this didn't

898
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 2: seem to be the goal of the women in the

899
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 2: rabbit attire before him. He found himself confronting two potentially

900
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 2: harmful biases simultaneously. One maybe the bunnies were more switched on,

901
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: adventurous and intelligent, or at least weird than he had

902
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 2: originally assumed. Or maybe drugs didn't make you a superior being.

903
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 2: Perhaps it was a bit of both. Stone's guitarist Mick

904
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: Taylor was having the same internal debate.

905
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 3: I'd never seen people.

906
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 12: Be so stone and talk so straight.

907
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 3: And because they weren't, I mean the things they talked about.

908
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 12: Yes, exactly.

909
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 3: The level of conversation was so trivial.

910
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 12: You know.

911
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 3: I mean they weren't particularly bright or intelligent. I mean,

912
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 3: there was a raisist Drugs had made no change.

913
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 7: In their lives. They were They were hairdressers.

914
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 8: And toronail polish drugs.

915
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 3: I mean, that's one of the myths that have been exploded,

916
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 3: isn't it. I Mean, drugs.

917
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 8: Don't really do that much for you.

918
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 3: They only sort of went on, so it's already there,

919
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 3: you know. But in the beginnings they can make people completely.

920
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 12: Mindless, you know.

921
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 2: Greenfield discussed this trend in drug use with the Stones

922
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: resident expert on the subject, Keith Richards. Here they are

923
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 2: courtesy of our friends at the Northwestern University Archives.

924
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 14: For me, it was like some kind of really insight

925
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 14: into what the changes between sixty nine and seventy two.

926
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 12: Sixt hundred people will get high in America were three.

927
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 7: They were crazy.

928
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 4: Now everybody, Yeah, it's it's spreading. Maybe doing that drives

929
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 4: them to it kind of yeah, doing that kind of

930
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 4: gig drives them too. They look upon the actuals of

931
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 4: hours that they're working as a fucking drag ball, you

932
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 4: know that they do it for the advantages of having

933
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 4: somewhere and pulled a swim.

934
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 2: Keith was arguably the most enthusiastic participant in the hedonism

935
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: of the Playboy Mansion. He was rivaled only by Bobby Keys,

936
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 2: the sax player, and the Stones touring horn section. Together,

937
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: they became a sort of alternate universe evil Glimmer twins.

938
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: Their bonds seemed almost faded. They were born just minutes

939
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: apart in February nineteen forty three. It was a match

940
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: made in well, never mind, where they first became inseparable

941
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: after an incident that went down during the Stones nineteen

942
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 2: seventy tour of Europe. Some guy in Sweden kept harassing

943
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: Keys at lunch, so Keith hit him across the head

944
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 2: with a bottle and then persuaded the police to arrest

945
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 2: the guy while he was still semi conscious. Keys repaid

946
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 2: the favor a few stops later by asking a hotel

947
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 2: manager if he could stop the drilling noise on the

948
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 2: street outside so the Keith's baby son could get some sleep.

949
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: When the hotel manager informed Keys that street noise was

950
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: in his department, Keys headed to the hotel kitchen, where

951
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 2: he began dropping valuable pieces of crockery on the stone

952
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: floor one by one until the noise outside of Baden.

953
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: Ever since, the pair have been gleeful co conspirators on

954
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 2: the road, spurring each other to dizzying new lows of debauchery.

955
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 6: Bobby pushed the envelope always further than anybody.

956
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 7: I mean.

957
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 6: In the south of France, Bobby was seeing Natalie de Lan,

958
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 6: to the former wife of a great French actor named

959
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 6: Alain de Lan, and I don't know what house they

960
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 6: were in. Jagger walked in and Bobby and Natalie de

961
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 6: Lan were in a bathtub together, naked, filled with champagne.

962
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 6: The bathtub, not the two of them naked, although I'm

963
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 6: sure a lot of it was good. And Jagger said

964
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 6: to Bobby, you know, even I don't live like this.

965
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 6: Bobby ran through money, spent every dime he ever had.

966
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 6: He was an explosion wherever he went, and he was uncontrollable. Yes,

967
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 6: and he was Keith Sky keep gasoline and a match Keith.

968
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 6: Because he and Keith could run together, he could keep

969
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 6: up with Keith. And so it's interesting, right, So within

970
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 6: this really tiny world there are sub groups. I mean,

971
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 6: Mick wouldn't have gone out at night.

972
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 2: Never would have hung with Bobby.

973
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 5: You know anything, you can wind up in jail.

974
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: Gasoline in a match is an apt description considering Keith

975
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 2: and Bobby very nearly burnt down the mansion. It happened

976
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 2: one night or morning or whatever, when the duo were

977
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: holed up in the bathroom, the preferred refuge for high

978
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: profile drug users when the setting becomes a little too public.

979
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 2: They're sitting on the floor, just relaxing alongside the toilet,

980
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: as one does. Then it all starts to get a

981
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 2: bit smoky. With considerable effort, they swivel their next to

982
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 2: the floor in search of an errand cigarette ash. Seeing none,

983
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: they resume their position, but haye starts to thicken. Suddenly

984
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: everything is blank and gray. Where's Keith? Where's Bobby? There

985
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 2: are bangs on the door and beeps on the ceiling. Hey, hey,

986
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 2: anyone in there? The place is on fire. What's he

987
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 2: talking about? Man? The door bursts open, and serious looking

988
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: men in black suits toss buckets of water on the

989
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: heavy drapery, which is fully ablaze directly behind them. Instead

990
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 2: of feeling gratitude. Keith is enraged at the intrusion we

991
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,240
Speaker 2: could have done that ourselves, He spits, the pupils pinned,

992
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 2: how dare you burst in on our private affair? Once again,

993
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: no one was sure if he was joking or not,

994
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 2: But soon everybody cooled out and it became just another

995
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: chapter in the saga of Keith and Bobby on the road.

996
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 2: Keith claimed to have forgotten all about it when asked

997
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 2: by Robert Greenfield, did you get.

998
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 7: Destroyed in the blighting of the masses?

999
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 4: Nothing but damage as far as I knew?

1000
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 12: Because the untired you.

1001
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 7: He's telling me about a fire.

1002
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, one of those Uh yeah, one of

1003
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:17,439
Speaker 4: those towne the light fire, addressing down to smotors for fews,

1004
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 4: but there was no damage to the extra fishings in

1005
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 4: the dead call.

1006
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 2: Half also downplayed the incident when questioned about it by

1007
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: Robert Greenfield.

1008
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 8: I mean what you're.

1009
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 9: Asking is, did I have any fear before the fact

1010
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 9: or during the fact, that they might leave the place

1011
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 9: in some level of physical shambles?

1012
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 8: Excellent?

1013
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 3: Uh.

1014
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 9: I suppose the thought might have crossed one's mind, since

1015
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 9: that would be part of the concern about having a

1016
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,919
Speaker 9: really far out rock group, and then my reaction would

1017
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 9: actually occurred. Of course, was just the opposite, because there

1018
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 9: wasn't any of that.

1019
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 8: There were physical damage. No, I'm not aware of it.

1020
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 8: I'm sure what we're gonna wear them.

1021
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 2: HEF's private notebook tells a different story, offering a comprehensive

1022
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 2: list of the destruction left in the stones.

1023
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 7: Wake.

1024
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 2: White rug in the red and blue bathroom was burnt

1025
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 2: needed to be replaced. The toilet's seat was also burnt

1026
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 2: and had to be replaced. Two bath mats and four

1027
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 2: towels were also burnt. Redroom chair and catch a stained,

1028
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 2: possibly to the point of needing reupholstering. Redroom bedspreads also

1029
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: badly stained. Sometimes it's best not to ask. Though Keith

1030
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 2: could never be accused of openly giving a damn, he

1031
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 2: would admit in his memoir to feeling a sense of

1032
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 2: embarrassment and even shame over his antics. You don't say, okay,

1033
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 2: we're going to have a party tonight. It just happened.

1034
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: It was a search for oblivion, I suppose, though not intentionally.

1035
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 2: Being in a band, you're cooped up a lot, and

1036
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: the more famous you get, the more of a prison

1037
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 2: you find yourself in. It's the convolutions you go through

1038
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 2: just to not be you for a few hours. The

1039
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 2: only person who didn't sanction Keith's buffoonery or the general

1040
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: absurdity of the play my Mansion was Stone's drummer, Charlie Watts.

1041
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 2: Unlike the others, he never came around on the place.

1042
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 2: The guards almost didn't let him in the night they arrived,

1043
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 2: and once they did, he turned right around and left,

1044
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 2: preferring to stay at supposedly lesser accommodations down the street.

1045
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: He wrote in his diary that night, at this point

1046
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 2: in the proceedings, I cannot fault the luxury, but I

1047
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 2: also cannot stand it. Sure he'd swing by the mansion

1048
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 2: at nights to hang with the others, but fundamentally he

1049
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 2: felt that Keith had the right idea when he almost

1050
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: burnt it down. Everything about the mansion just offends him,

1051
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 2: especially the excess. While forty plus members of the stp

1052
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 2: Horde are content to gorge themselves on champagne and lobster

1053
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 2: tails and quayludes as if they've been born into such situations,

1054
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 2: Charlie makes a point of paying for everything he takes. Moreover,

1055
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: he's a married man, and unlike Mick, he meant it.

1056
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 2: According to his bandmate Bill Wyman, this made life among

1057
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 2: the bunnies uncomfortable.

1058
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 11: I think the most offensive thing to Charlie was there

1059
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 11: were so many girls are.

1060
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 12: Even trying to pick you up.

1061
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 14: Well, I mean I was offensive to me and I

1062
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 14: said that my sounds ridiculous, but it was very chauvinistic

1063
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 14: both sides to do.

1064
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 11: I mean, you only have to be You had to

1065
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 11: walk to a farm for ten minutes, and the three chicks.

1066
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 16: Came around doing Everybody was token, you know, and they

1067
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 16: knew that I was with my girlfriend, you.

1068
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 12: Know, they knew Charlie. Well, they soon found out that

1069
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 12: Charlie didn't want to know about it.

1070
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 11: But then you'd still have to get You still have

1071
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 11: to go through that position with the fifty or whatever

1072
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 11: it was before everybody cutting down too.

1073
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 12: You were or you weren't interested in whatever the case was.

1074
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 2: Charlie instantly sized up that the whole playboy mansion thing

1075
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: was a celebrity situation and that just wasn't for him.

1076
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 2: Let Mick do with that stuff. It made him feel

1077
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 2: like a piece of meat out of all the stones.

1078
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 2: Charlie is still very much the person that he was

1079
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 2: before it all began. He doesn't buy the notion that

1080
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 2: to be a stone oh and automatically meant to be

1081
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 2: a star.

1082
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 6: So I very much want to talk about Charlie for

1083
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 6: all the obvious reasons. And he was so different on

1084
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 6: the tour. He was always so different on every tour.

1085
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 6: And my initial memory of Charlie is on the English

1086
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 6: tour after the first show, which was in Newcastle, and

1087
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 6: Mick was in the lobby of the hotel where we stayed,

1088
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 6: being interviewed by BBC Television, probably the local They had

1089
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 6: lights and the perfect BBC guy, you know to see

1090
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 6: it in the accent, interviewing me, is this your last

1091
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 6: tour then, you know? And Mick was, you know, a

1092
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 6: circle of people circled by watching this in the lobby

1093
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 6: man whoa, And I'm saying, they're watching them, watching him, watching,

1094
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 6: you know, And all of a sudden, Charlie appears and

1095
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 6: he's kind of bent over and he's creeping around the

1096
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 6: outside of the circle and say, who is that? Is

1097
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 6: that someone we should know?

1098
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 5: Is he famous? Miss and Jagger?

1099
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 6: He hears this and he's maintaining the Jagger face in

1100
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 6: the camera. Meanwhile, Charlie's taking the piss. He's like, you know, God,

1101
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 6: I'm laughing my hands off because here's Charlie saying, oh,

1102
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 6: you know, like mocking the persona okay. So on the

1103
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 6: American tour, Charlie was just he's to me, he was

1104
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 6: the great sweetheart in the band, and I think beyond

1105
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 6: all else, he was the adult in the room.

1106
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 5: At all times.

1107
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 2: He always felt a little different. As he told Greenfield,

1108
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 2: I was never a teenager man. I'd be off in

1109
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 2: the corner talking about Kirka guard. I always took myself seriously.

1110
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 2: That streak continued for him. The STP tour was serious business.

1111
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 13: The anything is and I think that the two America

1112
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 13: was drugs and six as it might have been the

1113
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 13: sun too.

1114
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 7: Wasn't me, man, this thing it was a lot of things.

1115
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 7: I think it was as places all right, but then

1116
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 7: dying in the what was it about? I mean, was

1117
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 7: it wasn't a great way.

1118
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 13: Of saying, fucking of this big, less than this and

1119
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,439
Speaker 13: nice and fucking why you can undonea world?

1120
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 12: Well that's really what it was about.

1121
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 8: To me.

1122
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 7: Well, it was more than just working.

1123
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 13: I mean, there's a lot of there's a lot of

1124
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 13: bullshit which other people bulls in me.

1125
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 7: There's a lot. There's a lot of happiness too.

1126
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 13: I mean, oh, sure, you know the happiness is zebvious.

1127
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 8: That wouldn't be doing it a lot of mad things.

1128
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 12: I mean, oh, that's happiness.

1129
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 10: He also didn't get carried away with all either stuff

1130
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 10: going on around us. That just didn't seem to affect

1131
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 10: him at all. He was in his own head. You

1132
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 10: could have a conversation about jazz with him at any point,

1133
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 10: but none of that other stuff around him really affected

1134
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 10: him very.

1135
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 2: He didn't care.

1136
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 5: He couldn't be bothered.

1137
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just wanted to play and the greatness and

1138
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 6: I didn't see it that much in uh, the American tour,

1139
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 6: but on the English tour.

1140
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 5: Keith would charge towards the.

1141
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 6: Drum kit when he wanted Charlie to pick it up,

1142
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 6: and I could hear because I'd be standing by the

1143
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 6: pian I know, you know it's called Charlie pick it up, man,

1144
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 6: you know, And Charlie was everybody knows this, like you know,

1145
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 6: they're great drummers. I have to put Charlie up there.

1146
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 6: Nobody played like him. He did not. He was not

1147
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 6: a rock drummer, and he would have been the first

1148
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 6: person to say that they recruited Charlie because he was

1149
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 6: so well known in London. They wanted him as their drummer,

1150
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 6: and Bill Wyman got in because he had the amps.

1151
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 5: It's true.

1152
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 2: One by one the rest of the band started to

1153
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 2: see it Charlie's way. They began to feel trapped in

1154
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 2: the pleasure dome and suffocated by it all.

1155
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 12: Well found the worst thing about that place where she

1156
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 12: couldn't look.

1157
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 16: Out the windustry. It was a dark ball, I should think,

1158
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 16: so nobody could look in and would think that was

1159
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 16: the reason, but no, it was kind of very dark.

1160
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 11: The whole price of it was very difficult to Actually,

1161
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 11: you couldn't stick it out when you and.

1162
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 12: Fresh air sort of the winter out on the sundrim

1163
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 12: in it.

1164
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 8: Wasn't kind of like that.

1165
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 12: You never thought that that was possible, and it wasn't hardly.

1166
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 7: You know, this guves me an empty somewhere.

1167
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 12: I think there's no lab in it.

1168
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 7: I felt it.

1169
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 12: Yeah, there was no personal feeling.

1170
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 3: There john sort of great things that there was hospitality

1171
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 3: without a host.

1172
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say.

1173
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 7: It was.

1174
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 12: There wasn't any love.

1175
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 2: The dark vibe that he greeted their arrival starts to

1176
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 2: re emerge and curdle into paranoia. A pervasive rumor circulates

1177
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 2: through the STP squad that hef neres hidden cameras and

1178
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 2: all the bedrooms, secretly videotaping the ongoing sexual Olympics for

1179
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 2: his own private consumption. The theory's got legs. Mick Jagger,

1180
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 2: the world's number one sex fantasy object and half the

1181
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 2: ultimate voyeur. It's too perfect. Hef gets testy when Greenfield

1182
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 2: asks him about it. For just a moment, the mask

1183
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 2: of the genial Midwestern media mogul begins the slip.

1184
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 14: A lot of people I've spoken to who were in

1185
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 14: the house, again, it's the story that I've been told

1186
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 14: several times for several people felt that felt the surveillance

1187
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 14: in the house. And also several of them are certain

1188
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 14: that some of their more outstanding sexual performances.

1189
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 8: Are on filmore tape. So it's really true, It's really true.

1190
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 9: The Stones are as guilty of accepting the fantasies of

1191
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 9: the playboy.

1192
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 8: Fantasy as John Q public.

1193
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 7: Well, I haven't got distance stuns themselves, but I know

1194
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 7: they were aware of them. They thought, well, they.

1195
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 9: Were complete bullshit, but complete bullshit that has existed, particularly

1196
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 9: with the house's concerns, and so almost the moment that

1197
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 9: I first moved into it, over and over again. I

1198
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 9: used to have it's replaced out, but before I had

1199
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 9: the round better, I used to have a bet up against

1200
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 9: the wall, and there.

1201
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 8: Was a recess in the ceiling leading.

1202
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 9: Life, and the ladies would and would be absolutely certain

1203
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 9: that there was nothing to it whatsoever.

1204
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, the complete fantasy that I mean.

1205
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 9: You haven't then for what, well, well, let me say

1206
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 9: I do have videotape equip I mean videotape is for

1207
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 9: moving pictures what the polaroid is for steel pictures in

1208
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 9: terms of, you know, shoot your own movie, shoot your

1209
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 9: own thing in the realest sense of the word. Certainly

1210
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 9: I use them for that purpose from time to time,

1211
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 9: but certainly also there's a great boy. Your fantasy related

1212
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 9: to me is completely non acestor I enjoy visual sex

1213
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 9: in the sense of, you know, it's an Eurotic film

1214
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 9: or something in a context of if I'm groogling with

1215
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 9: a lady or something, but as a replacement for because

1216
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 9: my other things, I guess it's because I really don't

1217
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 9: live through other people's lives.

1218
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 8: I wouldn't replace that's one of them for myself. The

1219
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 8: great pleasures.

1220
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 9: Of whatever, you know, the like my own life and

1221
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 9: the success of it, which is that it was the

1222
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 9: filment of my own fantasy beyond anything I could have imagined.

1223
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 9: My fantasy isn't to be Mick or that is so

1224
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 9: far removed from well.

1225
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 14: That is a fantasy, so that you would, I mean

1226
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 14: Nick being everybody sets out of the fantasy that you

1227
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 14: would of course have videotapes with nxbus did.

1228
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 8: She on.

1229
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 2: There would be a high price for the excess quailudes.

1230
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 2: The Playboy Mansion's party pill of choice was used by

1231
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 2: predators to sexually assault an untold number of women within

1232
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 2: those walls. Just a year after the Stones visit, twenty

1233
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 2: three year old Bunny Adrian Pollock fatly overdosed on the drug,

1234
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 2: sparking an investigation by Chicago law enforcement officials. They'd find

1235
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 2: bowlfuls of cocaine and pills. The legal ramifications were big,

1236
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 2: but as usual, Hefner had the women in his service

1237
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 2: to the dirty work.

1238
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 6: Tragically, the woman who had gotten us in to a

1239
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 6: great degree, and who loved what I had written in

1240
01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 6: rolling Stone. God love her.

1241
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 5: Who was that Bobby Arnstein?

1242
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, And they were trying to make a case

1243
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 6: against Hefner for cocaine possession, and Bobby would have been

1244
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 6: the connection. They were trying to get her to flip

1245
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 6: and Hefner had given her her career. She loved him,

1246
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 6: and she killed herself rather than you know, turned state

1247
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 6: to get off herself. Her choice was go to prison

1248
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 6: testify against Hefner. She killed herself a.

1249
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 2: Fittingly. She took an overdose of queludes. Showtime comes as

1250
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 2: a relief. Hefner doesn't come since the Manson murders. He

1251
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 2: does his best to avoid large gatherings outside the confines

1252
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 2: of his mansions, or at least that's his excuse. His

1253
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 2: absence isn't exactly more and does The Stones pull up

1254
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 2: to the International Amphitheater, just down wind from the stinking

1255
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 2: south Side Stockyards. Cynthia's managed to see nearly every show

1256
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 2: on the Stones North American tour, despite having no transportation,

1257
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 2: no money, and perhaps most impressively, no tickets. She hitchhikes

1258
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 2: with a rolled up sleeping bag and keeps her clothes

1259
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 2: in a bulging knapsack. She sleeps in the cars that

1260
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 2: pick her up and washes up, and rest stops or

1261
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 2: college dormitories. She'd planned the odyssey for months prior to

1262
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:28,879
Speaker 2: hitching from New York to Vancouver for the first concert.

1263
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 2: From there, she headed to Seattle and then on down

1264
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 2: the coast. Her roots look like a Jackson Pollock painting,

1265
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 2: and often she barely makes it to the venue on time.

1266
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 2: But once there she waits. She knows how to wait perfectly.

1267
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 2: If she waits long enough, she'll always get in. Someone

1268
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 2: will give her an extra ticket, or a guard will

1269
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 2: turn his head and let her walk by. It was

1270
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 2: during one of these waiting sessions that she first caught

1271
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 2: the attention of Robert Greenfield.

1272
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 6: I am responsible for discovering Cynthia Sagittarius because I was

1273
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 6: outside the hall and I saw her, and then I

1274
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 6: would see her and she'd be at the next show,

1275
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 6: and I started to talk to her. And obviously her

1276
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 6: name was not Cynthia Sagittarius, but hippies renamed themselves in

1277
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 6: that era. She had some nightmare experiences where a guy

1278
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,839
Speaker 6: pulled a gun and held it to her head, stopped

1279
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 6: the car, and she hitchhiked from one gig to another.

1280
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 6: She had no money that I could tell. And she

1281
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 6: was so authentic and so real and so in love

1282
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 6: with the Stones. Didn't want to meet them, didn't want

1283
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 6: to go backstage. This is the purity of some fandom

1284
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 6: and it's to be respected. Okay, loved the music. She

1285
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 6: looked to be about twenty seven, twenty eight. She wasn't

1286
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 6: a child, you know, sweet, just a wholesome person. I

1287
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 6: don't even think she got high. But the concept of

1288
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 6: hitch hiking.

1289
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 10: Yeah, I was just going to say, in America and

1290
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 10: the distances she'd had to go, we weren't talking about

1291
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 10: just next door. This is hitchhiking big distances from day to.

1292
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 5: Day and getting dare in time for the show.

1293
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1294
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,879
Speaker 2: Cynthia lives in the gaps that exist in the network

1295
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 2: of the straight world. She refuses offers a food, money,

1296
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 2: and even a backstage meet and greet. She just wants

1297
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 2: to hear the Stones play. Their music makes her feel good.

1298
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 2: She's a welcome Danta Doe to the free for all

1299
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 2: back at the Playboy Match and where everyone's angling for

1300
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:32,719
Speaker 2: more food, more drink, more drugs, or more influence. Cynthia

1301
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 2: has nothing and wants nothing other than a space to stand.

1302
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:39,799
Speaker 2: While the Stones are wrong, she survives with her faith.

1303
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 2: It's her implicit, pure trust and the goodness of people

1304
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,719
Speaker 2: that allows her to carry out her quest. As she says,

1305
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 2: Krishna provides, or in this case, Robert Greenfield.

1306
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 6: I said, hey, you know what, there's this person. And

1307
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 6: then from that point on and God loved them. They

1308
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 6: left a ticket or her at the box office, and

1309
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,759
Speaker 6: I think I still remember because again they never left

1310
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 6: the building. They weren't out. Then last place they want

1311
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 6: to be was outside before the show. But it was

1312
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,600
Speaker 6: small world, and she was easy to find, you know.

1313
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 6: Once I knew her and I said, there, hey, Cynthia, listen,

1314
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 6: they want you to see every show. That it was

1315
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 6: like it was Christmas, and it's like, I mean, I

1316
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 6: might be the kindest thing I've ever done for anybody

1317
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 6: in my entire life. She did the whole tour kind

1318
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 6: of like dead Heads.

1319
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 2: But by herself herself.

1320
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 5: Again we're talking about.

1321
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 7: And an innocent, so innocent.

1322
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 2: That's what I remember most about her. I was how

1323
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 2: innocent she appeared.

1324
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 5: Right if she was, no, she was a pure human being.

1325
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 6: And we're back to what happens when the Stones come

1326
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 6: to America. They extract the best, the worst, and everything

1327
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 6: in between.

1328
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 2: None of the band are especially sad when it's time

1329
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 2: to leave the Playboy Mansion. Charlie have been good to

1330
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 2: go from the start, and now Mick Taylor agreed.

1331
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 3: I personally had a good time there. You know, a

1332
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 3: kind of place I'd like to live, and.

1333
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 2: So did Bill Wyman.

1334
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 7: That was great.

1335
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 12: I would live there. I wouldn't live there.

1336
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 7: Good a nice place to but enough is enough.

1337
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 2: Even half that swinging sense of the erotic arts was

1338
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 2: ready for a break.

1339
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 9: To have four days or three or four days like

1340
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 9: that as an ongoing lifestyle.

1341
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:39,799
Speaker 8: Would be a pani.

1342
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 9: I mean, there are other things that you want to

1343
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 9: do too, you know, there are quiet romantic relationships that

1344
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 9: are roles that are very very important to me.

1345
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 2: Nominally as a journalist, Hefner knew a good story when

1346
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 2: he saw one, and the Stones nineteen seventy two tour

1347
01:13:58,240 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 2: was one for the books.

1348
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:05,719
Speaker 9: It received a surprising amount of precedent, and the reason

1349
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 9: for that, I think is not to be found.

1350
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 8: In the qualities of their musicianship.

1351
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:13,759
Speaker 9: A primary reason for that is that there is somehow

1352
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 9: an awareness of the fact that what they represent is

1353
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 9: now especially unique because they've said coming to an end,

1354
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 9: and the only thing was kind of left and some

1355
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 9: enalgy is that.

1356
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 8: And that was added to also by what happened to

1357
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 8: the Beatles. The Beatles disintegration makes the mortality of a

1358
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:34,719
Speaker 8: group much.

1359
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 9: More real also, so it does become more of a

1360
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 9: unique event in my lifetime.

1361
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 2: It's the morning of June twenty second, nineteen seventy two.

1362
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 2: The stp forces gathered themselves together and stagger into the

1363
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 2: street to begin their retreat from the Playboy mansion. Behind them,

1364
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 2: the party is in its death throes. In front, the

1365
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 2: first gray light of dawn rises over the Chicago roofs.

1366
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 2: The bloodshot sun is the nerve to announce another day.

1367
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:15,719
Speaker 2: Everyone reeks of dried sweat, whiskey, and stale cigarette smoke.

1368
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 2: Passers by on the street are freshly showered and cologned,

1369
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 2: hurrying to catch that early bus on the way to

1370
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 2: their offices. It seems incredible outside the mansion, people still

1371
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 2: have to get up and go to work. Life actually

1372
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 2: goes on day to day.

1373
01:15:32,560 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: Imagine Stone's Touring Party is written and hosted by Jordan

1374
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:07,839
Speaker 1: Runtalk Co Executive produced by Noel Brown and Jordan runtalk

1375
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:11,560
Speaker 1: edited and sound designed by Noel Brown and Michael Alder June.

1376
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 1: Original music composed and performed by Michael Alder June and

1377
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 1: Noel Brown, with additional instruments performed by Chris Suarez, Nick

1378
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: Johns Cooper, and Josh Thane. Vintage Rolling Stones audio courtesy

1379
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 1: of the Robert Greenfield Archive at the Charles Deering McCormick

1380
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 1: Library of Special Collections in Northwestern University Libraries. Stone's Touring

1381
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: Party is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio,

1382
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 1: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get

1383
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 1: your favorite shows.