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Speaker 2: The scouting report of Bill in nineteen seventy terror But

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we could try hard if it required a lot

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Speaker 2: Forget today we are talking Super Bowl thirty six. We

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Speaker 2: reserved this game for three people one Tom Brady, two

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Speaker 1: Let's go, Julian, I'm honored to be here. It was

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Speaker 1: the first game we won. Nobody on the facial planet Earth.

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Speaker 1: Chef ash even thought we had a chance.

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Speaker 3: The New England Patriots fourteenth point underdogs.

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Speaker 1: The Rams. You know they're doing their last huddle. Ricky

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Speaker 1: prol comes right over the camera and a dynasty is

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Speaker 1: born tonight. You know he just had the wrong team.

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Speaker 2: Ernie knew everything. He's an encyclopedia.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times you want gets that critical situation.

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Speaker 1: Having the right information can really make a difference.

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Speaker 2: You get once a week for three hours to do

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Speaker 2: National Football away, right are you? Are you finishing my

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Speaker 1: I always said about our teams at the Patriots, the

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Speaker 2: He kicks the ball, you're watching it, you finally see

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Speaker 2: Games with Names is a production of iHeart Radio Welcome

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Speaker 2: to Games with Names, presented by Win Las Vegas and

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Speaker 2: Encore Boston Harbor. Today we are talking Super Bowl thirty

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Speaker 2: six Patriots versus Rams, which we reserve for three people

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Speaker 2: in this world, three three, three that could only do

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Speaker 2: this game. One Tom Brady, Tom Easy, Ricky No No No.

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Speaker 2: Two Coach Belchick bbe. Three who did this episode with

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Speaker 2: us today? Ernie Adams.

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Speaker 5: Let's go Wow, White Whale guest on Games with Names.

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Speaker 2: I got him, We got him. What's really cool with

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Speaker 2: how Ernie was with me on this with us on

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Speaker 2: this interview was what I knew Ernie was. It's just

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Speaker 2: no one knows because no one really talked with Ernie

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Speaker 2: how he really is. He's a fun dude. He's knows everything,

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Speaker 2: He's educated on everything. We talk about the birth of

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Speaker 2: the dynasty, we talk about Tom Brady becoming Tom Brady

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Speaker 2: with Ernie Adams, who's mister scouting report, mister analytics. We

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Speaker 2: get into analytics because Ernie invented analytics.

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Speaker 3: Analytics as you can analytics.

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Speaker 2: I called it. I call it a analytics fourth and

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Speaker 2: two against the Colts Peyton Manning Colts in two thousand

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Speaker 2: and nine, we went for it. We lost, but it

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Speaker 2: was the right call for the team and it made sense.

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Speaker 2: It made sense. You guys will understand that after you

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Speaker 2: listen to this. We talked Bill Belichick and the risky

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Speaker 2: little things that him and old earned Dog earned Dog,

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Speaker 2: what they used to do at high school. In high school,

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Speaker 2: dynamic and over, you know, andover you know the Kennedy

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Speaker 1: That's not true, Dexter.

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Speaker 2: We get into both of that. We get into both

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Speaker 2: of that. We get into that and what it's like

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Speaker 2: to be the right hand man two America's most hated

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Speaker 5: Known each other for like since they were in high school,

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Speaker 5: and then you got and win six Super Bowls together.

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Speaker 3: Incredible. Who else has done that?

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Speaker 2: First conversation with Bill and Ernie.

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Speaker 1: And just if this is a special one. It's long,

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Speaker 2: It's long and if you are a football you're gonna fan.

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Speaker 2: If you are a Patriot fan, if you hate the Patriots, literally,

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Speaker 5: If you know ball or you think you know ball,

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Speaker 6: Vince Lombardi stories from a secondary sourus like we're let's

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Speaker 2: Let's get if it's gonna one hell of an episode.

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Speaker 7: February third, two thousand and two, Louisiana Super Dove, New Orleans, Louisiana.

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Speaker 7: Who cares what John Matton thinks, Bill Belichick, Bernie Adams,

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Speaker 7: This is Super Bowl thirty six.

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Speaker 1: We shut door we Dood.

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Speaker 2: and Boston Encore Harbor. Welcome to games and names. Ernie.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, Julian, I'm honored to be here and

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 2: Why how are you honored to hear? I'm so honored

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Speaker 1: Well if you have, because you were. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: You don't make me start crying. You know it's getting

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Speaker 2: too hot, you know, Uh, you want a tomato?

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Speaker 1: Ernie? Are those are the real heirlooms.

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Speaker 2: I got? You see my shirt?

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Speaker 2: Now do you remember when I used to come into

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Speaker 2: And Ernie would sit there in the cafeteria by himself.

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Speaker 2: I believe you put a little salt and pepper on there.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll get into those edges. But why do you

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Speaker 1: Though I I'm not sure it's a greater game than

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now doesn't have to be our game, But what

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Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be one that we played in.

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Speaker 2: And that's what I try to explain to people, like

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00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 2: when they ask what was your guys day to day like,

438
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,959
Speaker 2: and I'd be like, oh, well, we'd walk through plays.

439
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 2: We'd walk through the walkthroughs, and we'd go to a

440
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 2: built in drill for that specific play, take it to

441
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 2: a seven on seven. Then do a team and we'd

442
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 2: have all these reps and you'd run thirty new plays,

443
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 2: but you'd rep them four or five times, and guys

444
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 2: would bitch and complain, bitch and complain. But then when

445
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 2: you came when it came to game day, like Ernie said,

446
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 2: it's in your subconscious. It's built in your subconscious. So

447
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: you react and you've seen the play, it becomes deja

448
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: vu on this technique. This happens, Oh I see this guy.

449
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 2: I saw it in practice. I saw it in the walkthrough,

450
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 2: and it allows you to play fast. And that's and

451
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 2: that's something that I always tell everyone. What made our

452
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: teams was our practice and our ability to really take

453
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 2: those meetings. I mean that's hard to get, you know,

454
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 2: thirty guys to really buy in and go over plays

455
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 2: and plays and plays. But that's what made us us.

456
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 1: That's what made us us. And you know, I think

457
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, probably our best, our best ninety minutes of

458
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: football was Super Bowl fifty one against the Falcons. Nobody flinted. Hey,

459
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 1: we all knew we could see the score, but we

460
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: all know we're down twenty eight to three. This is

461
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: not where we want to be. And what flashed through

462
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: my mind right there, we are the cat that is

463
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: used up eight lives. We do not have another wise

464
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 1: to give. But you know what, the speed we played

465
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: with the way the last those those last you know that.

466
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: And then the third, the whole fourth quarter in the overtime,

467
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: we were we were playing you know, lights out football.

468
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: Just do you know that we we had trained for.

469
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 2: Now, how can we put in fucking five two point conversions?

470
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 2: How come we ran extra hills out? Did you guys

471
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: know this was going to be one hundred and twenty

472
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 2: play fucking game?

473
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: You know, because we're sitting We practiced over at Houston University,

474
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: I remember, and we're sitting in the locker room and

475
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: they'll say, you know what, we really need to be

476
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: ready with these two point plays. So that's what that was.

477
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: You know, he had you know, he he had a

478
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: sense we need to be ready for him. No guarantee

479
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: that's going to happen, but we need, you know, we

480
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: need to be ready for this. And that was and

481
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, the running the running the hills.

482
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: Put it in the bank.

483
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: Put it in the bank. But you know, one of

484
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: the great moments to me was, you know, you go

485
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: on some teams say we're going to run hills in December,

486
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: you'd have a rebellion. Okay, And we had one game

487
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: it's probably around twenty sixteen. Practice was over. Bill didn't

488
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: say a word. The whole team just went over to the.

489
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 8: Hill because you know what, we're gonna That turned yeah,

490
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 8: because and I hey, you know what, this team totally

491
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,479
Speaker 8: gets it changing the champion.

492
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: They don't need to be told. They know that and

493
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: they know this is gonna payoff in a big way.

494
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: Because one of the great quotes was after Super Bowl

495
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: fifty one, Dan Quinn, the head coach of the Falcons.

496
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: You remember what he said, we ran out of gas.

497
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: And you know what, the New England Patriots did not

498
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: run out of gas.

499
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 2: We never ran a gas.

500
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, at halftime, Jules is saying, gotta believe it's another

501
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 5: gonna be a hell of.

502
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: A story there.

503
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: It is.

504
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a hell of the story you had.

505
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 2: You had to say something.

506
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: Litstene and this is so so Bill and High we

507
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: we because remember we had a Super Bowl, so that

508
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,239
Speaker 1: halftime instead of being a minute, twelve minute, I mean,

509
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: it's forever because.

510
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 2: We used to practice it. So we would practice in

511
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: the middle old practice. We'd take a twenty four minute

512
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: fucking break and we have to do this little dumb

513
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 2: ass warm up. They make us do it.

514
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: And but then you get to the game and hey,

515
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: this is what this is, this is what it is.

516
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: That was that was a real advantage to us, you know,

517
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: because one one thing about being the nine Super Bowls,

518
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: we knew the drill. And these other teams that come down,

519
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: they said, what do I do? A ticket? So where

520
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: the families and exhausted before the before the game would

521
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: even start. But one of the great stories from that halftime.

522
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: So we had extra time, so Bill and I would

523
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: go and talk, and we'd go and kind of right

524
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: down at the end of the tunnel. We kind of

525
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: went right out to the locker room. And so it's

526
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: halftime in this game and Lady got Gay's doing a

527
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: concert and Bill and I they are trying to talk

528
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: and we got Lady godd just gone. You know we yeah,

529
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: I was having to yell at each other. Uh but

530
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: you know, hey, we over We didn't plan for way Gaga,

531
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: but we kind of got it done and came up

532
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: with them. You know, when you're down like that, you

533
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: come up with the best plan you can and let

534
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: it go and see what happens.

535
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: You gotta play hurt and you got a plan with

536
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: Lady Godga the goddamn background.

537
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: That's it.

538
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: Okay. You gotta adjust, adapt and overcome, and if you don't,

539
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 2: you die.

540
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: That's it. That is it.

541
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: Totally back to these Ernie cards.

542
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: Okay.

543
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: People don't realize we'd have like three plays that are

544
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: four point plays, which is third down in the red area,

545
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: which your four point plays because you don't get him

546
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: to get a field goal, you need a touchdown. And

547
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: one time Ernie brings out this like blit zero. Look

548
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: where these guys jump out, and we look at where

549
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: he got it from. He got it from when like

550
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: the defensive coordinator was a quality control guy at UOP

551
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety one and Ernie found this. It's one

552
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: play on a third down in the red area where

553
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: he used it against the look that we would give him.

554
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: How many games have you watched, Ernie.

555
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: Well, a lot, and you know it goes not only watch,

556
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: but take notes. So I have, like I can go

557
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: to my book looking for you know, those crazy situations,

558
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, And when I write a play, I always

559
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: label it, hey, this was again, this was whatever cal

560
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: against Stanford two thousand and three, you know, and it

561
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: was playing number fifty eight in the game. So if

562
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: I really need to go back and find a video,

563
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: I've got it right there. I don't pretend that I

564
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: can just you know, if I had to just rely

565
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: on my memory for all of it, it takes me

566
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: three weeks, which doesn't do any good when the game

567
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: is Sunday, you know. I mean, when I'm doing those

568
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: cards on Thursday night, I need the information, you know,

569
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: Like right.

570
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: Now, Ernie, you could do guessed him in approximately how

571
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: many games have you watched?

572
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: Oh god, forty years worth? Which is all you know?

573
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: Which is there's all you know? And of course this

574
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: is you know, like we I would take, you know,

575
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: a team that I thought was good on offense, like say,

576
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: from probably two thousand and seven to twenty nineteen, the

577
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: two best offensive teams in the National Football League over

578
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: that time, where the Patriots and the Saints. Okay, I

579
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: mean they were just you know, year in year out,

580
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: you know, both both of us. You know, we're some

581
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: of the best teams in the league. So I would

582
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, a nice snowy February day, I just you know,

583
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: take some Saints games and just go through them, you know,

584
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: and it's one place. It just grind it out, one

585
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: play at a time. You try to find stuff, you

586
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: know that.

587
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: People don't realize when he's when he's logging these, he's

588
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: watching the play and after each played he's putting down

589
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: the formation, the personnel group, the defense of look, the coverage,

590
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: the potential blitch, the situation, the score. Like he's putting

591
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: all that down every time he's watching each play.

592
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: And you making it. I'm not telling yeah, I mean

593
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm writing, you know, h yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.

594
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: On my uh.

595
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: Hundred thousand games, that's probably a little much. And I

596
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: would pick and choose, you know which I mean some games,

597
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: like in all honesty, two bad teams playing, I would

598
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: have a hard time getting myself excited about watching, you know,

599
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: like right now, the you know, the Carolina Panthers playing

600
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons. It's unless there was something I really

601
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: wanted to see. It's kind of hard for me, you know,

602
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: to take invest three hours, you know, to to watch it.

603
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: But if there's teams, you know, who are doing interesting

604
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: things that I thought, hey, there could be something here

605
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: that we could use at some point, you know, because

606
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: there were a lot of plays I might see, uh,

607
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I could go to Josh McDaniels, Hey,

608
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: here's here's a couple of plays that I've seen in

609
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: the league. We should think about putting that, putting this

610
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: in for us. And you know, John, we were all

611
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: doing the same, the same thing. If you want to

612
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: stay current state of the art, you know, you know,

613
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: you really have to be on top of what's going on.

614
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you always were. I mean I remember a

615
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: lot of people talk about that whole what was it,

616
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: uh when we had who man doing the formations against

617
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: Baltimore I think Alabama? There was someone who was doing

618
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: it a couple of weeks before, right, and then you

619
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: know and listen and that was probably a project that

620
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: you well, you know.

621
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: No, it was a lot like you know, I mean,

622
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's like Bill would Bill talk to Nick

623
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: Saban all the time? Yeah, I mean, I mean there

624
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: were I mean this goes back because remember Bill and

625
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: I met each other as high school teammates.

626
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 9: In nineteen seven, okay, nineteen seventy, nineteen seventy's Bill like.

627
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy have good feet? Guys are both lineman, No,

628
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: we're both.

629
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: We are terrible, but we love football.

630
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: But there's so many times I've heard in the meeting

631
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: room me and fucking Ernie could do this.

632
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: Uh well, it depends on what we could. You know,

633
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: we could try hard. If it required a lot of ability.

634
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 3: Forget it.

635
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean he and Ernie could get out right.

636
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it would have to be something, you know,

637
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: require a very low level of skill. But we started,

638
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, we started basically a running fifty year football conversation.

639
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: So that was one thing. You know, if something came up,

640
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: we need we need to change something one hundred and

641
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: eighty degrees at halftime. We didn't have to have a

642
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: four hour meeting. Hey, we remember that game we had

643
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: against the Cowboys in seventy nine. Yeah, this is this

644
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: is you know, this is a similar type situation. And

645
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: this is what Yeah, and it worked then. So we

646
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: we had you know, we had plenty.

647
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: Plenty of those you guys can finish each other.

648
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean we could, right football wise. Yeah, and we

649
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: had seen uh uh you know he remembered things. I

650
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: might remember a play kind of and he and he'd finished,

651
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: you know, he'd oh yeah, or it was the same.

652
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: But that's you know, it's the kind of give and

653
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: take and the flow and having you know, with our staff,

654
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, like having you know, I mean were there

655
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: with Josh for twenty years. You build up relationships, you

656
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 1: know together, this work. Then it didn't work. Now similar

657
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, different players, but a little bit similar. So

658
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: I mean it's, uh, you're just trying to you know, adjust,

659
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: work your way through it and try to try to

660
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: get it to work.

661
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: What was the scouting report of Bill as a center

662
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy.

663
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: Well, see, because I played guards, so there's kind of

664
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: statue of limitations on this. Don't tell you know, you know,

665
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: I would we neither one of us were you know,

666
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty pound offensive high school alignment. We

667
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: had a fantastic quarterback and we won all our games

668
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: and uh.

669
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: You know, now what what did you guys, you guys

670
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: do anything after practice to give you that because lineman

671
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: always have like a bond, the O line just always,

672
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 2: you know, when you know, by themselves, you guys would

673
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 2: going home looking at scouting reports, drinking beers.

674
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: Well it was actually because yeah, this was boarding school, okay,

675
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: so there was you know, you know, and it was

676
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: an intense academic environment. But we found time, you know

677
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: to go over hey, display that play because when we

678
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: both kind of knew, you know that we probably wanted

679
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: to wanted to end up in football. So you know,

680
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: being being you know, real good friends with somebody for

681
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: over forty years, it's it's you know, it's it's a

682
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: real experience.

683
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: Now do you remember the first time you guys met

684
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: we I do absolutely.

685
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 1: It's kind of a famous story because Bill's dad, Steve Belichick,

686
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: who was on the staff. He was the godfather of

687
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: United States Naval Academy football for about fifty years. But

688
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: he had written a book called Football Scouting Methods, which

689
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: I had actually read, and we get this and I

690
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: was at the school for four years. Bill came for

691
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: his last year, you know, as a senior, and there

692
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: was one of those old you know, in high school.

693
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: We had eight eighty boys out of football. I got,

694
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, the name on the piece of tape across

695
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: the helmet, this guy Belichick. All right, that many Belichicks

696
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: in the world. So I said, you know, your dad

697
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: write a book, and Bill looks like you gotta be

698
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: kidding me, you know, yes, So that was that's that's

699
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: kind of where that started.

700
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: We got a little football.

701
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: Then, well, right, and of course it was you know,

702
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: I had the you know, the hardcover and of course

703
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: the reason the book I have myself is a treasure

704
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: to me. It was signed to me by Steve So

705
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: that was Hancock. Yeah, absolutely, and I think if I remember,

706
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: it was best wishes and may your interest in football

707
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: always stay with you.

708
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: What year did he sign that?

709
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: Well, what about about nineteen seventy?

710
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: And did you did all those wishes come to fruition?

711
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: Well basically yeah, I mean, I you know, yeah, And

712
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: of course this was you know, one of the great

713
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: things about you know, this game with the Rams is

714
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: after the game, you see Steve Belichick right there on.

715
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 3: The sidelines getting that gatorade shower.

716
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 1: Got it in the gatorade shower.

717
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I heard you used to sneak into Boston College. Uh,

718
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: spring practices. This was going on.

719
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: See, actually there was Evan, but there was a It

720
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: wasn't just Bill and me. That Evan Bonds, who's made

721
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: a life, He's been the I think he's just stepping

722
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: down now. But I'm being like the chair of the

723
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: music department the University of North Carolina. He was also

724
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: totally end of legends just so right. So this was

725
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: so if you read the David halberstand book at Bill,

726
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: Evan and I some when we found time, we went

727
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: over to watch the spring game at Boston University. We're

728
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: taking notes like be you coach? So it would have

729
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: been like a seventeen eighteen years.

730
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: Old you know. So who was the coach back then

731
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: at BC.

732
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: At Boston This is Boston University, Boston University. This was

733
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: from Boston University played football. It was a guy named

734
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: Larry Naviw And actually they had uh right off the

735
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: pike right you you would drive well, you would drive

736
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: by their their their stadium which was originally Braves Field

737
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: when the Boston Braves played baseball there their stadium. It

738
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: was just a mile up the road from Fenway Park.

739
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: And but the Boston Patriots their first three years played

740
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: at Boston University Field.

741
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: I remember the pictures in the hallway, right, so you

742
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: read it in a book.

743
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: I saw the picture well right, Well, but one thing

744
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: you saw the picture in the hallway. From nineteen sixty

745
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: three to sixty eight, the Patriots had training camp at

746
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: the high school where Bill and I ended up going

747
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 1: to school. So there's a picture of the sixty three

748
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: Patriots who ended up winning the non AFC in the

749
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: AFL Championship. They went out and got crushed by the

750
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: Chargers in the AFL Championship game. But in the hallway

751
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: at the Patriots they have all the Patriot teams that

752
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: won championships. So this is the nineteen sixty three AFL

753
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: East champions But it looks like Wooden stands at the

754
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: high school. That's right, they took it, you know during

755
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: the team picture sneaking. No, No, that was I was

756
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: only about fifth grade. You I never know. So, So

757
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: a story about those training camps was the coach at

758
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: Andover who was there for about forty years. His name

759
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: of Steve Sarota had actually been a teammate of Vince

760
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: Lombardes at Fordham and when they Fordham had really good

761
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: football teams. So I gave the eulogy at Coach Sarrota's

762
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: memorial service where five hundred people in the chant and

763
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: the chapel at Phillips Academy. So before the nineteen sixty

764
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: nine season, Ray Perkins, who I had worked with was

765
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: our receiver coach at the Patriots, ended up being the

766
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: head coach of the Giants, and he hired me. And

767
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: of course, you know, Steve was a Steve Saroda was

768
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 1: a football fan, and he knew that Ray Perkins had played.

769
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: He talked about football background. Ray Perkins played at the

770
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: University of Alabama for Bear Bryant and he caught passes

771
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: as a receiver. His quarterbacks were Joe Namath and Ken Stabler.

772
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: He comes into the National Football League, he plays at

773
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: the Colts for Don Shula and he catches passes for

774
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: John Yanidas. So he didn't believe it associated with people

775
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: who were anything less than pure Hall of Fame. So

776
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: I get and I had worked with Ray for at

777
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: the Patriots, and Ray hires me, and Steve knows his background.

778
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: Steve calls, he says, hey, Ernie, that's great. You tell

779
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: coach Perkins that your high school coach played on the

780
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: Fordham team that beat Alabama. So this is and this

781
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: is you know Fordham, you know, playing in the Polo Grounds,

782
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: and their coach was Jim Crowley, who of course was

783
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: one of the four Horsemen of Notre Dame. Of course,

784
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: of course, and every day at Fridays before a game,

785
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: Coach Crowley would come through the locker room the Fordham

786
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: campuses up in the Bronx. They played at the Polo Grounds,

787
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: which is down on the Upper East you know, up

788
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: about one hundred and fifty fourth Street in Manhattan, and

789
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: he would give every player two subway tokens, one to

790
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 1: get from campus down to the Polo Grounds to play

791
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: the game, and one to get from the Polo Grounds

792
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: back to campus to you know, after the That was

793
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: big time football and you know depression era in nineteen

794
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: thirties in New York. Well, so the Patriots from sixty

795
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: three to sixty eight have training camp and andover. And

796
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: Steve was not only a great football coach, he was

797
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: a fabulous track coach to coach, and the more complicated

798
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: the event, the more you like coaching. He specialized in

799
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: coaching the pole vault and the hammer throw. So but

800
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: as a track coach, he was way ahead of his

801
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: time lifting as far as lifting weightscores. And so the

802
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: Patriots are training there and Mike Colivacs the head coach,

803
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 1: and Steve says to Mike, Mike, to Mike Halivac, Mike,

804
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: send me some of your players down in our weight room.

805
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: I can help them. And Mike Halivac says, why would

806
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: I want to do that. So you talk about the

807
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: way the football's changed. I mean, every football player now

808
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: thirteen years up, you know, the l lift weights. This

809
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: was back on the mid sixties. You know, hardly anybody

810
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: was lifting waights. And one of the reasons that the

811
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: Chargers beat the Patriots so badly was they were probably

812
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: the first pro football team to really get the whole

813
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: team lifting weights. Now, they had a little problem because

814
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: they were also using steroids, like they had they I

815
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: wasn't there, but I heard they had like the pills

816
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: you know the training you know during training camp were

817
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: like the little this is on the table. Yeah, yeah,

818
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: it's like an after dinner mint. So but they were

819
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: one of the first teams to really get into, you know,

820
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: strength training, and it was a huge edge for them

821
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: back in the nineteen sixties.

822
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: Geez, I can only imagine the mischief that you and

823
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: Coach Belichick got into.

824
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: Well, you just missed that. The Patriots one of the

825
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: great people in pro football. One of my favorites of

826
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: all time was Buccle Kilry. Okay, Now, Buccle was a

827
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: great player. He was a nose tackle at the Eagles

828
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: back in the late forties or early fifties when the

829
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: Eagles won I think back to back championships and Buccle

830
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: was the nose tackle. And he was an old Irish

831
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: run from North Philadelphia. He'd say, everybody caused me Buckle,

832
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: but my mother caused me Francis because that's my first name.

833
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: Uh.

834
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: They said, Look, magazine wrote an article about Bucco and

835
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: they called the title of the article was the dirtiest

836
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: player in Pro football.

837
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: How how did I miss him?

838
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: Well, he passed away in two thousand and seven, just

839
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: before you got.

840
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: He was working with the Pats.

841
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: Yes, but I'll get to that. But so they look

842
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 1: right to the side of the dirtiest player in pro football.

843
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: So why would I love him? You called me a

844
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: dirty no.

845
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: No, no no, Buccle says. Of course, I sued him

846
00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: and I won, but they were right. So after Bucco

847
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: got through, uh got through playing, he really was at

848
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: the forefront in scouting in the National Football League. So

849
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: all the you know, the Cowboys, when they got their

850
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: scouting thing going and using computers. You know, Buccle was

851
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: right at the forefront of that. But he was an

852
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: old wreck. He had he had been in he was

853
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: in pro football for sixty two years and his line

854
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 1: and his line was sixty years, just as many as Hallas.

855
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: But he had he had seen, you know, the league.

856
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: But he used to say, oh, the Shenanigans, we used

857
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: to pull back, so you know there's uh, you know,

858
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: everybody's looking for an edge. And you know, Bucco was,

859
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, he's the famous story. And Buccle was an

860
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: old defensive tackle. Yeah, and he was working for the

861
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: Cowboys and they sent him they were going to play

862
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: the Rams, he said Buckle Buckle was up in a

863
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: tree trying to watch practice. A three hundred pound defensive

864
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: there he is that that is one of the one

865
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: of the absolute grades. But when I got to the

866
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: Patriots in nineteen sixty five, in nineteen seventy five, he

867
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: was the director of player personnel, and he would always

868
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: a few couple of things he always told me was

869
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: just remember about the owners. Boys, they owned the footballs.

870
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: Just just so just keep that in mind. You know, Okay,

871
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: you got players, but it's the owners. They owned the footballs.

872
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 1: And and you'd always say about coaches, he said, we're

873
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 1: all just temporary employees. And remember they fired Paul Brown.

874
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: And of course Bucco was in you know, the National

875
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: Football League of the fifties when you know, Paul Brown was,

876
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, the king, the King. Just remember they fired

877
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: Paul Brown. So I boy, otherwise, I just just remember,

878
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: we're just temporary employees.

879
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 7: Now.

880
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: You know what we used to say in the locker room.

881
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure you used to say a lot of things.

882
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: Those lockers are known boys as are rented.

883
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: Well you you had it, you know, same same idea.

884
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: Now in seventy five year with the Patriots, in seventy

885
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 2: five coaches with the Cult Colts, Baltimore Colt.

886
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: Just so this was I kind of knew that i'd

887
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: really like to, you know, get in the NFL. And

888
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: I came in. I had somebody I had known very

889
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: well at Northwestern. Was was friends with Hank Bola, who

890
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: was the defensive coordinator at the Patriots with Chuck Chuck

891
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: Fairbanks's staff and made an intro for me to come

892
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: in and do an interview. And I was just fortunate

893
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: because Chuck Fairbanks had been the head coach at the

894
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: University of Oklahoma where he was used to having a

895
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 1: lot of graduate assistance around. Yeah, some people your breakdown

896
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: film and stuff like that, so the concept wasn't foreign

897
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: to him. Uh So I came in and I had

898
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: the uh had an interview with Hank Buller which which

899
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: went great, and I went in to see Coach Fairbanks

900
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: and it was even then kind of classic New England Patriots.

901
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: I was basically there as a tryout. He says, look,

902
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: we'll give this a go. If it doesn't work, you're

903
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: going to be gone. And of course the salary was

904
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: commensurate with that which was zero. But to me, the

905
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: chance to you know, hey, get in work with fantastic

906
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: people in the NFL, and because Chuck had put together,

907
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: you know, a great staff, you know, I mean, I

908
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: really I should have been paying. If I'd have been

909
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: paying them, it.

910
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 2: Would have been worthwhile in human capital.

911
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: Human capital in a in a big way, because you know,

912
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: now they have. You know, everybody's got two offensive quality

913
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: control coaches too. Defensive quality No, no, no. I got

914
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: to do it for both sides of the ball, which

915
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: is absolutely invaluable if you want to coach instead of

916
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: being just tunnel vision. You know, one little area I

917
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 1: got to you know, I had my office was over

918
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: with one of the great defensive staffs in the history

919
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: of the league, Hank Buller Charlie Sumner, who was a

920
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: coordinated with the Raider teams from the Super Bowl in

921
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: the early eighties. Fritz Shermer ended up being the defensive

922
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: coordinator for Mike Homgren when they you know, when when

923
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: they're Super Bowl just are just to go in every day.

924
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: Learning from people like that and the same type of

925
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: people on offense was just you know, an invaluable way

926
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: to break in the game. So I go in and

927
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: this is like early of June and seventy five, and

928
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, Bill and I we had you know, we

929
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: didn't go to college together, but we certainly still know

930
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: each other. And I said, Bill, you know, I'm going

931
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: into you know, work with the Patriots. To me, this

932
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: looks like really good. And do you know what that

933
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: sounds like a great thing to do. So that's where

934
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: he had some some people were coaching at the Colts

935
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: who had worked with his dad at the Naval Academy.

936
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: Bill went over and you know, basically talked this way

937
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: in the same kind of deal with the Colts. So

938
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: that's the way, you know, we both we both started

939
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy five.

940
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 2: Now in that interview, Ernie, what what value did you bring?

941
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: What did you say you could bring?

942
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: Well? What I could do it? You know, I would

943
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: have the value. What the value is that I had? Uh?

944
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,959
Speaker 2: Because we all heard I'll work hard and all.

945
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: The work, right, true? Well, number one I had, I

946
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: had done you know, a lot of the stuff at Northwestern,

947
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: and number two they had, uh. I they didn't know

948
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: it at the time, but I was actually kind of

949
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: familiar with their offensive system. So they put up the

950
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: stuff for the playbook, which I already knew and now

951
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: give it back to me, which I was able to do,

952
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: you know, right, easy, easy, But but that's you know again,

953
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: it's the studying, it's you know.

954
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, now were you in did you ever help with scouting?

955
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: I like drafting players?

956
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: I did be because there's nineteen seventy five Patriots with

957
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: Bucko Kilroy that we just had up there. Yeah, coaches

958
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: were totally involved in the draft. So when we had

959
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: our draft meetings, I mean it was the coaches and

960
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: Bucco and I think we had four it's probably four

961
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: people in the scouting department who basically all went on

962
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: to be directors of player personnel in the league. And

963
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: we went through meticulously, you know, all the players, and

964
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 1: we'd go player by player. We would discuss them and

965
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: everybody if you had seen the player, if you knew something,

966
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: you were expected, you know, to contribute. And so we

967
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: put a grade on each player, and then we would

968
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: line them up, you know, from like say one to

969
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty. You know how we would take them.

970
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: We'd say nominations. We'd put up ten, we'd vote on

971
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: you know how, we and everybody, you know, we vote

972
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: who are first seven were and then we take more nominations.

973
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: So that's the way we put our board up. And

974
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: so we're there. This is my first year in the NFL,

975
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: my first draft, I went through. It's a cold night

976
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: in February in the old You never had the pleasure

977
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: of being in the Old stadium, which was they Why

978
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: did the Patriots go to Foxboro from Boston because it

979
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 1: was the place they could build the cheapest stadium possible.

980
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: The land was cheap, the stadium was built cheap. The

981
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: first game they ever played in that stadium was a

982
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: Sunday night pre preseason game against the New York Giants.

983
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: And Shaeffer had paid for the naming. I don't know.

984
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: I have no idea what they paid. It wasn't very much.

985
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: So it was Shaefer Stadium for Shaeffer Beer. It's a

986
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: hot Sunday night, and they have the great idea, we'll

987
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 1: sell dime beers and they had. So they're selling dime

988
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: beers a hot summer night, and they had a total

989
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: brand new stadium, a total plumbing failure. Okay, so you

990
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 1: can just imagine what it was bad. And in fact,

991
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: before they played another game in the town of Foxborush said,

992
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: you're either going to get the plumbing fixed or we're

993
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: going to take your license away. We are not going

994
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: to allow you to have another game in the stadium

995
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: if you don't get this straight and done. That's who

996
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 1: you might have always wondered why the big water tower

997
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: was there, Yeah, that was that originated that first Sunday

998
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: night game they played at that stadium, so we were

999
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: so this was like built as cheaply as possible, and

1000
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: we're there it's a February night, and it was a

1001
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: February night because school vacation week was coming up and

1002
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: Chuck Fairbanks wanted to take his family and go skiing

1003
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: in Durango, so there was some time pressure. We were

1004
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: going to get this board done right. And we put

1005
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: up about twenty players and Raleigh Dods is coaching our

1006
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: outside linebackers, and about half our staff had gone to

1007
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: school together at.

1008
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 2: Michigan State on this draft night where you wear in

1009
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 2: the red best no, no, this is this is this

1010
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 2: is just meetings. We didn't have the red best of.

1011
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see those those sweaters came about from that

1012
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: era because they made the red sweater, but you know

1013
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 1: it was New England Patriots and Chuck had one of those.

1014
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: They made him about thirteen colors and Chuck Fairbanks had

1015
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: one of those sweaters in each color. Okay, so it

1016
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: was those.

1017
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 2: Were if you weren't you've warned every draft.

1018
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: Pretty much because and it goes in homage to check

1019
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: and the Bucco with.

1020
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 2: That's tip of the cap.

1021
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 1: That's tip of the cap total. Because dynasty, because absolutely,

1022
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: because so much of what we did at the Patriots

1023
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: had its origin back, you know, back there, because that

1024
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: program came to the Giants with Ray Perkins, Bill Parcells.

1025
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: A lot of that went back, you know, to to

1026
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: to check him buck out. But we're sitting there, so

1027
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: it's a cold. It's just like a New England old

1028
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: time winner, little snowy. We send out for Chinese takeout

1029
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: food for dinner and we're in there about nine o'clock

1030
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: and Raleigh Dods you know, with his cigar. And that's

1031
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: one thing that's really different about that staff. You know,

1032
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: I was like the only everybody smoked cigarettes a cigar

1033
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: or pipe and it was awful. You know, none of

1034
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: this stuff. You know, you can't smoke inside buildings. This

1035
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: is old, This is old. No. No, I was like

1036
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: the one, you know about, the one who did. And

1037
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: Raleigh's with his cigar and hey, Chuck, we got this

1038
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: linebacker here, Rick Bonnis from Nebraska, and I'm telling you

1039
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: he's better than his last twenty guys we've put up there,

1040
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: and shuck, you could see the smoke blowing out of

1041
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: both ears. He went over that board. Yeah, we had

1042
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: spent prayer all afternoon putting these names up. He just

1043
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: ripped them down on the floor. He says, God, damn it,

1044
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to be shooting dice in this draft.

1045
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: We will start again at eight o'clock tomorrow morning and

1046
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: get this right. It was one of those moments you

1047
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: know it, you know, it stays with you. You know, hey,

1048
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 1: just get it done right.

1049
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 2: Get it done right. Do you remember the last game

1050
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 2: played in that stadium?

1051
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: The last I certainly do. Oh my god. Well, so

1052
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: so now we're getting in. We talked about the end

1053
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: of that two thousand and one season. We played the Rams,

1054
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: and of course, the way the schedule worked out, they

1055
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: had given the Patriots the bye week the last week

1056
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: what was supposed to be the last week of the

1057
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: regular season. Okay, but then because they had to reconfigure

1058
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: everything with nine to eleven, everybody then had to go

1059
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: play what was going to be their second game of

1060
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: the season, which had all been canceled because of nine

1061
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: to eleven. So we went down and had to play

1062
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers. And then because the Jets blocked a

1063
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: punt out in the against the Raiders, that put us

1064
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: into the two seed. So we then got another bye

1065
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: week before we played the Raiders in the playoffs, So

1066
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: basically we had played one game in four weeks getting

1067
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: going into that playoff came with the Raiders, which made

1068
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: every you know, which was huge for us. We were

1069
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: healthy going into those playoffs. And then mercifully, the one

1070
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: night that winter in New England, we get snow. We

1071
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: get snow for the game, and you probably saw in

1072
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: the Dynasty film that's just it started snowing in the afternoon.

1073
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: It snowed in the game, which was huge advantage us

1074
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: because they were a better team than we were, you know,

1075
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: but they you know, they they weren't ready, you know,

1076
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: for those snow. We can slow them down, slow them

1077
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: down quick quick. And you you remember the first every

1078
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: year when it would snow, we would go outside and

1079
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: practice in you know, on the turf, so everybody could

1080
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: get used to how their shoes were going to get

1081
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: work in the snow. So is that why we used

1082
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: to practice absolutely for the shoes, for the shoe absolutely,

1083
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: because you don't want to be out there, you know,

1084
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: slipping around, slipping around. So we played so I think,

1085
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: were you there the game with Tennessee. Oh yeah, okay,

1086
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: so what happened was not only did it so.

1087
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 2: It's April, it was October sixteenth.

1088
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: October sixteenth, and it started to snow. And what you

1089
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: want to wear on a snowy turf field is seven

1090
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: stead grass cleats. And I'm on the pregame. I can

1091
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: see that the Titans they're going to try to play

1092
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: the game and their and their molded souls. I knew

1093
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: they're in trouble. So I went and found John Bankston.

1094
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: You know our grounds guys, say, John, really slow getting

1095
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: the snow off, Just take your time. I think they

1096
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: had one guy at halftime with a shovel off and cold.

1097
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: We want as much snow. And you can see their

1098
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: linebackers before the play. They're trying to kick the snow

1099
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: out of their cleats. They have they have no chance.

1100
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: And and you, I don't know if you have a

1101
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: knew Floyd Reese, Yeah okay, well we had hired him

1102
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: as our assistant GM who and he had been at

1103
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: the Titans when they had I mean, those were really

1104
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: good teams in the early Aeron McNair and Eddie George,

1105
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: I mean, and beat that two thousand two thousand and

1106
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: three team that won the Super Bowl. That division playoff

1107
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: game was about zero degrees against Tennessee. That was another

1108
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: great football game. But now we're playing them a little

1109
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: later and they don't have that team. But for Floyd

1110
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: it was a big deal. And he was upstairs in

1111
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: the press box with him, and I didn't usually talk

1112
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: like this, especially, Hey Floyd, they got the wrong stuff

1113
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: on their feet. This is going to be an ass kicking.

1114
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: He looked at me like and there was a fifty

1115
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: nine nothing. And the thing about it washed walking out

1116
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: to our cars after the game, it was like a

1117
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: zero snow zero because it hit the hit the pavement,

1118
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: it melted, but the snow it stayed on the field,

1119
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: which is where we wanted.

1120
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 2: Now did you scout that out from uh from the

1121
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 2: Ernie box?

1122
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: No? No, this was this. This was like down you know,

1123
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: pre game.

1124
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 2: I knew, what's your pregame ritual?

1125
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: I always want to go watch, you know, watch the

1126
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: team we're playing. I really really want to watch the

1127
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: kickers and then watch you know the kicker, you know,

1128
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: see what was this, you know, because we played some

1129
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: bad windy days house this guy handling it, and then

1130
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: go watch the kicker and go watch the quarterback because

1131
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: some guys like playing. It's probably still in the league,

1132
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: so I shouldn't say this. But playing Tyrod Taylor, you know,

1133
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: I this guy, this guy has no fastball. We can

1134
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: actually play zone against this guy because our defensive players

1135
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: are going to have time to react in the zone

1136
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: like you go play against gully John Elway. Forget about

1137
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: playing zone because that ball is coming so fast you

1138
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: could think you get no chance to reacting none. So

1139
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: so I you know, but I wanted to go put

1140
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: eyes on the course see exactly what we're dealing with.

1141
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: And you know something always you know, see how you know,

1142
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: see how slippery slippery it is, and you know what

1143
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: what parts of the field. I mean, we had those

1144
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: we had those games that you let stadium where they

1145
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: played like the soccer game of the night before, and

1146
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: they know they went out and painted, you know, painted

1147
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: this stuff. I mean I'm out there in the middle

1148
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: of the field. I smelled pain. It was, you know,

1149
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: the lines on the field that they tried to you know,

1150
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: try It was crazy. But you know, you got to

1151
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: know what what the conditions are.

1152
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 2: Now you go in, you're looking at the winds, your

1153
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 2: little pregame, who was one of the players you you

1154
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 2: were most impressed with scouting? Yeah, one that we took

1155
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 2: and one that we played against.

1156
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: I'll say the one that was most impressive pregame, hands

1157
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: down was Peyton Manning. And I could go out and

1158
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: watch and so many of these teams, the quarterbacks that

1159
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: are out there, they're doing their drops half speed. They're

1160
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,919
Speaker 1: listening to the music. I'm looking that man. You gotta

1161
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: have no chance the first series of the game. What

1162
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? Peyton Manning, he came out on

1163
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: that field and I mean when when his cleat hit

1164
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: that grass, he was all business. Everything full speed. That

1165
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: drops are full speed, the ball handling is full speed.

1166
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: I mean it's no screwing around here. I mean, this

1167
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: guy's fast to start fast. Hey, first first play of

1168
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: the game, this guy is going to be ready to go.

1169
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean so many of the others they're going to

1170
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: take that first series of the game to get used

1171
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: to it. And you know it's that just doesn't work.

1172
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,919
Speaker 1: So it's you know, you knew or like going to play.

1173
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: I'll tak you going to play Andy Reid's team of

1174
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. You just told the way they're coming out

1175
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 1: to warm up, you're gonna be in football game.

1176
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1177
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: I mean these guys are ready to go, which I

1178
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: think you know we were ready to always, but you know,

1179
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: the teams just come out and you can tell it's

1180
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: got half ass. What are you guys thinking?

1181
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 2: You get once a week for three hours to do

1182
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 2: your fucking job. Slide of game or two? Is National

1183
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 2: Football League? Right? And you are you finishing my sentences? Reready?

1184
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? I am, Because we were together at that we

1185
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: know we know the drill. Yeah, yeah, that's and and

1186
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, not only do we know the drill, A

1187
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: big reason we want is we had everybody know the

1188
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: drill and we were we all bought into it. There's

1189
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:41,959
Speaker 1: only one.

1190
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 2: Way to do it. So we actually have Ty Law

1191
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 2: on Friday, okay, talking the two thousand and three game

1192
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 2: against Peyton Manning in the snow. Okay, well I got

1193
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 2: to ask anything.

1194
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: Well, here's the only thing. Here's what I will tell you.

1195
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: We had three playoff games by time at the Patriots

1196
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: where we played against offenses that scored five hundred points

1197
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: in the regular season. Okay, Now that's like that's a lot,

1198
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: that's like thirty plus points a game. So that's the

1199
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: Rams here in Super Bowl thirty six, the Colts in

1200
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: the AFC Championship Game and three, and the Rams then

1201
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: in Super Bowl fifty three in twenty eighteen, and we

1202
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: threw a shutout of these guys for fifteen minutes. Then

1203
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: the damn kind of started to break a little bit.

1204
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: Why uh you know what they they kind of we did.

1205
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: We did a really good job adjusting from that regular

1206
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: season game to the super Bowl against US. I think

1207
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: they weren't really I don't think they were expecting the playoffs.

1208
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: They only had a week, so they kind of went

1209
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: in a little bit the same way they did the

1210
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 1: regular season game, which we were ready for. What they do,

1211
01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: do what they do, and they listen, they're good. They

1212
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: figured it out. They started hitting the sound so you

1213
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: know the pass up the seam? What do we always

1214
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: call that pass the sea? How about ram pass? How

1215
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: many times you heard this talk about rampass everybody for

1216
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: the Scott right five twenty five f post swing. I

1217
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: mean it was like staple. Well, they started to run

1218
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: a ram pass against it, and they had a step

1219
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 1: on us a couple of times, and they ran it

1220
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: like five times for five different formations, different personnel groups,

1221
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: and you know, they came back and tied the game up. Uh,

1222
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 1: and then we went back and won and again, but

1223
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: the Colts and three we I think the final score

1224
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 1: of the game was twenty six to three and the

1225
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: only reason it wasn't a zero was because we dropped

1226
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: an interception in the end zone that we should have

1227
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: had and they kicked the field goal. So we held

1228
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: them the three points. And then Super Bowl fifty three

1229
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: against the Rams in twenty eighteen, we hold them the

1230
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: three points. So that was you know, those to me

1231
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: were three five hundred point teams, five hundred, five hundred

1232
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: point teams. I mean, those were masterpieces. And what I

1233
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: remember that three game that you're going to talk to

1234
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: Tie about. After the game, they had, you know, on

1235
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: the whatever network was doing. One of their guests for

1236
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 1: the game was Mike Shanahan, coach of the Broncos, and

1237
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: I mean he his team had been showed up by

1238
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 1: the Colts. I mean, they got massacred by the Colts.

1239
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: And Mike Shanahan went and I said, I can't believe

1240
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: I just saw what I saw, which I took as

1241
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: a real you know that that's like a real comp

1242
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, a real compliment from somebody who really knows.

1243
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: This is something special right here. But you know, I

1244
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: will say part of that was because I knew in

1245
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: the middle of November it was going to come down.

1246
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: I was playing the Colts, So that was what it

1247
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: was then, That's what it was. And you know what

1248
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 1: spent like, I mean, it didn't matter if we were playing,

1249
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, the Jets in a regular season. I made

1250
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: a point to spend an hour a day at least

1251
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: studying the Colts, so, you know, just in the middle,

1252
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 1: just just to make sure.

1253
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 2: Now what's the study, just watching the game, watching the.

1254
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: Game, logging it, what the you know? And and the

1255
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: thing was they would get everybody was trying to play

1256
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: them and cover three and cover one, and they killed

1257
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 1: them running up the teams. I mean you can, oh

1258
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: my god, it was a it was a slaughter. And

1259
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: so I said, we can't do this. We we need

1260
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 1: to go in and play cover four. We cannot get

1261
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: showed up in the teams. And Romeo Cornell, are defensive coordinator,

1262
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite people, said when you want

1263
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: to play cover three, never not against this team, just

1264
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: don't do it. They will kid you, okay, and.

1265
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 2: That's what that's kind of what teams would do to

1266
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 2: us because of Gronk.

1267
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: And so I go, this is maybe two years ago,

1268
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: and I'm watching a Monday night game and I'm watching

1269
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: the simulcast with Eli and Peyton Manning and somebody's playing

1270
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: cover four and Peyton Manning goes, yeah, I cover four.

1271
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: I don't really like my incuts and my seams against that.

1272
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there thinking, yes.

1273
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 4: That's why we played it. I mean, it's just made

1274
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,560
Speaker 4: my dad, you know.

1275
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: But that's reading.

1276
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 2: They got out books, they got.

1277
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: Eli and Peyton, they got us plenty, Okay, I mean

1278
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: they they got us plenty. So I mean, you know

1279
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: it was I mean those were and you know, people

1280
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: say we people say we went to nine Super Bowls.

1281
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 1: Now we went to ten because that AFC Championship game

1282
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: against the Colts, it was, well, first place, the NFC

1283
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: team is going to be the Bears. We had beat

1284
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 1: the Bears in the regular season for like forty to

1285
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 1: seven or something, and there's no way that that Bears team,

1286
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: there was no way they were going to be able

1287
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: to play against either the Colts or US. Everybody on

1288
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: that field knew this is for the this is for

1289
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: the championship, and you know, they they came back, and

1290
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: you know, we got up ahead of them and they

1291
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: came back.

1292
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 2: And remember it transferred though, you know when then when

1293
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 2: Peyton went to Denver, then it became Denver for us,

1294
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 2: and it was just it was us versus Peyton. And

1295
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 2: you know to this day, cover four.

1296
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: Cover four, and I was I was just talking to

1297
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 1: somebody earlier to the day.

1298
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 2: But then you know what, they got us on the

1299
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 2: cover four. That's when they started putting that tight end

1300
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 2: outside and putting Jamie Lee out there, and then they

1301
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 2: do that double movie.

1302
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, listen, this was like you know that this

1303
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 1: is this is a chess meat chess match, except those

1304
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: other chess beats. They can fight back and they run fast. Yeah,

1305
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,879
Speaker 1: you know, so it's constant. You know, I mean, it's constant.

1306
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: But you know, everybody talks about you know. Of course,

1307
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: we had in twenty fourteen that great game against the Ravens. Uh,

1308
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: you know, we had to come from behind and beat them.

1309
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: You you hit Danny on the touchdown pass. Then the

1310
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: Super Bowl against the Seahawks. But the most truly amazing

1311
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 1: thing that year was remember in the divisional playoff game.

1312
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: Somehow I have no idea to this day how this happened.

1313
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: The Broncos lost to the Colts. Oh I know, how

1314
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: did this? Is like it did that that just shouldn't

1315
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 1: have happened in Denver.

1316
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 2: I mean it was like, I remember, we we went

1317
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 2: into that week.

1318
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: We we knew perfectly, well, hey if we're going to

1319
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: we got the Ravens and we're gonna have to go

1320
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: play the Broncos the next week, and that they lost

1321
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 1: to the Colts. This it's just it's it happened, but

1322
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 1: it shouldn't have happened. Yeah. Yeah, well that to me

1323
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: was a game that proved it because Denver was so

1324
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: much better than you know, it's like we end up

1325
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: beating the Colts forty five to six or something. If

1326
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 1: the Coats couldn't play with us, they they should not

1327
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: have been able to play with them. It should have

1328
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 1: been Patriots Broncos for another Brady you know, mannings AFC

1329
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 1: Championship game matchup. But I know, you know, but but listen,

1330
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: they got so we we got we got the Colston

1331
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: three and O four and they came back and the

1332
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: Brothers they got us plenty goods.

1333
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 2: So my brothers, all right, one one thing before we

1334
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:27,879
Speaker 2: dive into Super Bowl thirty six something. Me being a Patriot,

1335
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 2: I've heard what what is it? What is it you

1336
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 2: being part of the Patriot organization since seventy five? Then

1337
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 2: jumped around, went to Wall Street, made a bunch of money,

1338
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 2: which we'll dive into that maybe, Uh, what is the

1339
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:40,759
Speaker 2: Patriot way? Ernie?

1340
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: Okay, it's really complicated.

1341
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 2: Get every really complicated.

1342
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: Show up at every show up for work every day

1343
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 1: with a smile on your face.

1344
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 2: Never did that.

1345
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: Check your ego with the door, and you better check

1346
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: your ego with the door, otherwise you're gonna get your

1347
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 1: head taken off. That's true, and just go, you know, hey,

1348
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 1: try to get better every day. And that's what we

1349
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: really had, what made us go with the Patriots. We

1350
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: had a great group of people. The great Buck o'

1351
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: kilroy said about players in the NFL, you should not

1352
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: deal in personalities, but nobody needs an asshole on the team.

1353
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: We really tried to keep an asshole free.

1354
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 2: I was an asshole.

1355
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:22,600
Speaker 1: No, not like a listen, Pro football is not a

1356
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 1: game for normal, well adjusted human beings. We've all got

1357
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 1: some asshole tendencies, but we kind of basically you know,

1358
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 1: kept it.

1359
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,440
Speaker 2: Rable was a huge asshole.

1360
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 1: Particularly particularly when he would go on the defensive scout

1361
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 1: team play a week safety, delivering running commentary that was priceless.

1362
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 1: But you know what, that's when I knew Mike was

1363
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: Mike really had in him to be a good coach

1364
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 1: right there. If he was taking scout team defense at

1365
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 1: week safety, so he could you know, really study the

1366
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: whole thing. But you remember, he would okay, boys, it's

1367
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 1: formation in the boundary, smell some ship here, they're coming back.

1368
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: And it would drive you know, the offensive coaches, it

1369
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 1: would drive him crazy. But but Mike, you know, I

1370
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: mean he you know, he had just he had just

1371
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:19,560
Speaker 1: the right edge he did. You need, you need a

1372
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: little but what you don't need the real flamers who

1373
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:25,759
Speaker 1: can blow your team up. That's which you know they

1374
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 1: put that.

1375
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 2: Out right away, absolutely the fire extinguisher.

1376
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 1: You know people always say about you know, people you

1377
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 1: know drinking the kool aid bill and I went down

1378
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: in the sub basement, we mixed the kool aid. So

1379
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,600
Speaker 1: that's where just so you know, so getting everything.

1380
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 2: You know, you mixed it, mixed it mixed flavor.

1381
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: Whatever flavor you want, but it's going to have the

1382
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: Patriots ingredients in it. And you know, we just try

1383
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: to uh you know they did in the in the

1384
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: Dynasty film they had you know with Gronkhn. They had

1385
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: the the thing with you know, doing you know at

1386
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 1: the draft you know the family Dan and Bill did

1387
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 1: call him up because I was in the draft room

1388
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: right next to Bill. And what Bill said to Robbers,

1389
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 1: all right, enough of the war, Dands. You know, we

1390
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: just you put everybody just right up front. You know,

1391
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: this is you know, not do some things we do,

1392
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: some things we don't do.

1393
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 2: That was that was any any funny Gronk stories, Let

1394
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 2: me hear your.

1395
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 1: My favorite Gronk story was when he said, uh, you know,

1396
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: I have a lot of fun and everybody knows a

1397
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 1: fun loving and I do all these endorsements and stuff,

1398
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: and the money I make from those, I just you know,

1399
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: I have fun with it. My football money. I've never

1400
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,759
Speaker 1: spent a nickel of it. And I said, man, Okay,

1401
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 1: this is a guy who gets it. You know, he tried.

1402
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 1: He can come fun, love and all that. But you

1403
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 1: know what the thing with rob when you get to

1404
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: know him, when it gets down the business. He is

1405
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: totally dead ass, serious dead ass.

1406
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:06,480
Speaker 2: And that's what he's an assassin.

1407
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 1: He's an assassin and that you know, I mean, that's

1408
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: you know that in the end, that's what everybody at

1409
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 1: the building, everybody who was there knew it, and that's

1410
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 1: why we all loved him.

1411
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 2: Did you did you remember hearing about ground falling asleep

1412
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 2: on his visit?

1413
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 1: What? Well, what I remember was he had uh, he

1414
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: had he had a he was doing a funko the

1415
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 1: pre draft. You try to get to know players before

1416
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 1: the draft. I mean it's a real when you've had

1417
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 1: a guy in training camp for two weeks, you know,

1418
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 1: you know, trying to get to know him before the draft.

1419
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: You you do the best you can, but it's really

1420
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 1: hard to get somebody to learn, you know, to really

1421
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 1: know somebody who haven't worked.

1422
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 2: Now, what's an Earnie Combine question?

1423
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: We had, you know, fifteen minutes. It goes pretty fast,

1424
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,560
Speaker 1: but we always wanted to tell me, uh, you know

1425
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: about your you know what, what what's the thing you're

1426
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:01,879
Speaker 1: you know, you're really proud of it football?

1427
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 2: And that's a lot about a guy, right, individual stats

1428
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 2: if he goes and like the.

1429
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 1: One I remember was you know, I think I got

1430
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: this right. Joe Burrow. We remember state championship game in

1431
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: Ohio came down to a goal line stand and he

1432
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: was the linebacker. That's right, Okay, this is hey right here,

1433
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 1: this is my kind of guy.

1434
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:29,639
Speaker 2: He's a killer's right right.

1435
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: You know he's a football player. It's like Julian Edelman,

1436
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: wide receiver. I need a defensive back. It's the AFC

1437
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: Championship game. Julian, go play defensive back. You know your

1438
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,600
Speaker 1: cont you know your contract says to play football. It

1439
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: doesn't say I play wide receiver and don't work hard

1440
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: on Fridays. No, it's be a football player. And sometimes

1441
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 1: you just got to be a football player. That's hey, listen,

1442
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 1: you're on defense. You're supposed to force fumbles.

1443
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 2: You know. I used to cheat because I would just

1444
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 2: study conceptually what they would do and my situation. I'd

1445
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:02,560
Speaker 2: only come in really on a third down, in a

1446
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 2: passing situation on second down, and so if they were

1447
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 2: in like a trips you could he I just hold

1448
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 2: them for five yards because they're not gonna call it.

1449
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 2: And I knew receivers hated that and be just play

1450
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 2: to your leverage. Play to your help and then make

1451
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 2: a tackle if you have to, and listen, and honestly,

1452
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 2: if defense is so much easier, if you get to

1453
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:22,560
Speaker 2: use so much easier.

1454
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:25,600
Speaker 1: You get to fly around, you get to use you

1455
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: get to use your hands, you use your hands. You

1456
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 1: know totally you know it's totally legal. And what did

1457
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 1: you how many times did you hear Bill talk to

1458
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: those defensive backs when your leverage, if you actually understand

1459
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 1: what that means to do it, that's happening.

1460
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,560
Speaker 2: I didn't lose my lever journey if you watch the

1461
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 2: film right, because I may have got smoked a couple

1462
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 2: of times.

1463
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: Well, listen, it's the National Football League. The other guys

1464
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 1: are good. You are going to get smoked. Everybody's going

1465
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: to get beat now in that. But playing smart, you know,

1466
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 1: it just gives you the best ship. Knowing where your

1467
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 1: help is. You know it's no one on cover one.

1468
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: You get help in the middle that you play outside

1469
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 1: levels cover five. You know you don't let somebody inside.

1470
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 1: Didn't you used to? Like I'm thinking that AFC Championship

1471
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 1: game against the Chiefs, We're an inside passing team. They

1472
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 1: go to cover five and open up the middle of

1473
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: the field. For us.

1474
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 2: Thank you every time.

1475
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: Every time.

1476
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 2: I mean they're trying to have that thief over there,

1477
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 2: and we just bang it right before him, you know.

1478
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 2: And then that when that thief came over to me

1479
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 2: and that's when we hit grink on this.

1480
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 1: But if you're playing defense and cover five, do not ever,

1481
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 1: ever ever let the guy inside, you know, But that's

1482
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:35,839
Speaker 1: that's just wide open. That's playing smart football.

1483
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 2: Do you remember the scouting process when you guys were

1484
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 2: scouting Brady.

1485
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 1: You know, really it was, Yeah, the number one thing

1486
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 1: you want to see our football player is what does

1487
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 1: he do in the games? I mean it's you know

1488
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,799
Speaker 1: that that is it's kind of a bottom line business.

1489
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 1: And when you get somebody who goes in and plays

1490
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 1: well in the games, that's what gets your attention. And

1491
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: we had, you know, one one person you never knew,

1492
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 1: a great guy, Dick Raybine was our quarterback coach who

1493
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 1: unfortunately died during training camp in two thousand and one.

1494
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 1: Had i mean got on treadmill and you know, had

1495
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: a had a harder show and he died. But you know,

1496
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 1: you get you know, you look, you don't try to

1497
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,640
Speaker 1: make it too complicated. If a guy goes in the

1498
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 1: game against good competition and play as well. That is

1499
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: what we're trying to do. It's not about you know,

1500
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: the combine stuff, which is important, uh, but you know,

1501
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 1: it's really what does the guy do when he gets

1502
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: on the field against good competition and so you get great, Hey,

1503
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,560
Speaker 1: have a great bowl game against Alabama. I mean, you know,

1504
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 1: and play well when you when you're in there. There's

1505
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: a lot of things as a player you can't control,

1506
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 1: but what you can control is what you actually do

1507
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 1: when you get out on the field.

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01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 2: He always to talk about that. When did you know

1509
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 2: he was a killer?

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01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: You know, when I first Tom was a rookie year

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01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 1: in two thousand, he was like he was a third

1512
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 1: string quarterback and he was not gonna get in the game.

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01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, unless you say, look, if you

1514
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 1: have two guys get injured in the same game, he

1515
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: can get in. But it wasn't gonna happen. And after

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01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 1: practice he would go he would go grab our young

1517
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,720
Speaker 1: rookie tight end Chris Heisman and take him over on

1518
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 1: the side and make Chris run patterns for him. But

1519
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 1: it wasn't just running patterns. Tom wanted to call the play.

1520
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: It's third and six. All right, heights, this is the play.

1521
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna run. Call it out. You know, just Tom

1522
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: wanted to put himself through the situation. Here's here's the

1523
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 1: way I'm gonna call the play in this situation. It's

1524
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 1: not just let's just go, you know, go run around,

1525
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 1: play catch. You know, he has to think in a game,

1526
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 1: thinking situations. And you know, and I always figured if

1527
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 1: a player is gonna stay out late after somebody, should

1528
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 1: you know, honor him by going over and watching stand

1529
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 1: watching this this guy, he's really trying to get ready

1530
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 1: to play, even though he has no chance of playing

1531
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 1: this week. And of course Tom's the guy if he

1532
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 1: wanted to get in the right stance. How do you

1533
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 1: get in the right stance? You practice it in front

1534
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 1: of the mirror. You just do. You know, being obsessive

1535
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 1: compulsive can get you in trouble sometimes, but you can

1536
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 1: also lead to great results. And that's the way I

1537
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 1: kind of look at that. You know, Tom is the

1538
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:29,600
Speaker 1: ultimate obsessive compulsive, you know, among players, because he's not

1539
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:32,600
Speaker 1: you know, Tom Brady didn't just drop out of the

1540
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 1: sky a Hall of Fame quarterback. He made himself into

1541
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 1: a Hall of fam quarterback. And when people would tell

1542
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 1: me at the drafty work I work hard as Brady.

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01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:42,719
Speaker 2: You're for shit.

1544
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 1: You have no idea what you're talking about. And that's the.

1545
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 2: Correct I mean, I got there. He already had three

1546
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:52,719
Speaker 2: super Bowls and he was still flying in a coach

1547
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 2: week eleven to work on his little fundamentals after a practice. Hey,

1548
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:00,640
Speaker 2: but you know what that was when he he was

1549
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 2: a for You know that that's what people don't see.

1550
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 1: They don't see, they don't understand. And that was kind

1551
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 1: of like when I was talking about being impressed with

1552
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning warming up before the game. When it's football now,

1553
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 1: I mean it's dead ass serious hundred every time. Yeah,

1554
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 1: there's no you don't take any plays off in practice.

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01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 2: He never did, never did.

1556
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 1: And you know what he would if if you ran

1557
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 1: around first time? He told jege, we really want to

1558
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 1: do it this way, and then he expects you to

1559
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 1: get it right that second time. Hey, if you might

1560
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,719
Speaker 1: not quite understand the first time, that's not a problem.

1561
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,879
Speaker 1: Screwing up after we explained it to you, that's a problem.

1562
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 2: Make a mistake. He just can't make the same mistake twice, right,

1563
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 2: And with him, you know, I was a punching bag

1564
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:50,640
Speaker 2: for him, because the more success that we had, he

1565
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 2: could never really get on guys as hard as he

1566
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 2: wanted to because they, you know, they've been watching him

1567
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 2: since before they were born, you know what I mean.

1568
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 2: So it gotten to a point where it was good

1569
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 2: to see him do that. We'll be right back after

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1587
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 2: go back in time, Ernie. This is a segment we

1588
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 2: do where we go back in the time around February second,

1589
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:37,679
Speaker 2: two thousand and two, and we go over pop culture

1590
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 2: and we just kind of bounce around and see what

1591
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 2: you know about that twenty two years ago. Twenty two

1592
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 2: years ago seems like it was yesterday, Like yesterday. Yeah,

1593
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,600
Speaker 2: I was in seventh grade or eighth grade. It was

1594
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 2: an eighth grade Ernie number one movie, Black Hawk Down.

1595
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:54,719
Speaker 2: Did you ever see Ernie Jules.

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01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of old fashioned. It's one of my

1597
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 1: favorite authors. I read the book. I haven't seen the movie,

1598
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 1: but you read the book. I read the book. And

1599
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 1: by the way, this guy Mark Bout he wrote one

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01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,759
Speaker 1: of the great books about football. If the two books,

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01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 1: If somebody says, tell me how do I learn about football?

1602
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 1: The two books, I would recommend to run to Dally

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01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 1: by Vince Lombardy and Bringing the Heat by Mark which

1604
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 1: is about the nineteen or early nineties of Philadelphia Eagles.

1605
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 1: It's if you want to know what a being on

1606
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,599
Speaker 1: a pro football team is like, that's as close as

1607
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: you're going to get.

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01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 2: Somebody who gets it number one movie erin. But I'm

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01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:36,679
Speaker 2: glad that it came from an unbelievable book.

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01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 5: Jackie got some Speaking of great football books, mister Adams,

1611
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 5: are you responsible for Friday Night Lights?

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01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I read that anecdote. I had to know

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01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 3: if it was true.

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01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:49,719
Speaker 1: That is true, so I got we got Friday Night Lights.

1615
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 1: Now there's a piece of classic Americana. So I will

1616
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 1: tell you the story. Buzz Bissing's here, who wrote the book,

1617
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:01,919
Speaker 1: was a year behind Bill and at Phillips Academy in Andover.

1618
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 1: So when Bill and I actually played together on our

1619
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 1: senior team in nineteen seventy, the reporter for the school

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01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 1: newspaper who covered it was Buzz Bissinger, who went on

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01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 1: to write Friday Night Lights. So Friday Night Lights wasn't

1622
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 1: really his intro to high school football. It was covering

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01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 1: Bill at me. So Buzz goes on, and he goes

1624
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 1: on to be a writer and his agents in the

1625
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 1: late nineteen eighties. Was my dearest friend in the world

1626
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 1: Michael Carlile, and Buzz calls me up, and Buzz says,

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01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:37,679
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about going out to western Pennsylvania and writing

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01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 1: the book about high school football and a team and

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01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 1: the town because I know they're really in a linked

1630
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 1: and I know Buzzy has never been west of Philadelphia

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01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 1: in his life, so I'm gonna have some fun with him.

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01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:51,560
Speaker 1: And I say, Buzzy, if you want to do this,

1633
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 1: get your ass out to West Texas where they take

1634
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 1: their football seriously. And you call my friend Bill Reeve,

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01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 1: who at the time was the football recruiting corter. She

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01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 1: l a Bill, will you know he'll tell you what

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01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: high school to go to because he knows all of them.

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01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 1: So Budd says, okay, he calls Bill. Bill says, you

1639
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 1: need to go to a Permian and that's how Friday

1640
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:13,719
Speaker 1: Night Lights came to be written at a Permian high school.

1641
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 1: And you know, I tell buzz I said, buzz I

1642
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 1: changed your life on one phone call, because when they

1643
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 1: write your obituary, it's going to be Buzz Bissinger Comma,

1644
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 1: author of Friday Night Lights, so on and so forth, so.

1645
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 2: That Adams is going to be Ernie Adams football Encyclopedia

1646
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:35,799
Speaker 2: creator of Freddy Allen.

1647
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:38,719
Speaker 1: Not the creator. I just kind of got the ball rolling.

1648
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 1: I mean, but you know, because Buzz is a fabulous writer,

1649
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 1: did you not only uh wrote the book about Tonyo

1650
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 1: LaRussa coach? You know that's I mean, he's he's a

1651
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 1: he's a fantastic writer.

1652
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 2: That right there. You know, we're over here just trying

1653
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 2: to dick around blackhawk Down number one movie. Ernie's got

1654
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:01,800
Speaker 2: a story about out the author who wrote the book.

1655
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 2: What a what a genius. Let's go back into sports

1656
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 2: world this time national championship was Miami. I remember that.

1657
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,840
Speaker 1: That's that's when my hey, the Miami Hurricanes. They were

1658
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 1: you know, they were still in that totally dominant phase.

1659
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 1: I mean, they they could go none of none of

1660
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 1: those players worked at the combine because they knew the

1661
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 1: whole National Football League was going to come to come

1662
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 1: to school to watch them.

1663
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 2: I mean, that's when the U for you, that's when, yeah, well,

1664
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 2: I mean it started in the eighties and then they

1665
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 2: lived for a little bit and that was yeah. Ken

1666
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 2: Dorsey was Ken Dorsey, he was you know the year

1667
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 2: probably it was Ken Dorsey and and they had a

1668
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:50,639
Speaker 2: really good running back. Yeah, Porters Ports, Clinton Porters.

1669
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:52,919
Speaker 1: I mean they had a lot of players.

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01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 2: Kurt Warner was the m v P. Yep, what was

1671
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 2: this sky of report on Kurt?

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01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:01,759
Speaker 1: You know what, boy, and I mean went from bagging

1673
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 1: groceries to NFL MVP. They had the fastest show on turf.

1674
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 1: And I mean if they were the real deal on offense, Yeah,

1675
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 1: you were kind of holding hold on to your butt

1676
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 1: with both hands, you know. I mean they had with

1677
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, with Marshall Fox, the offensive line or receivers,

1678
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 1: I mean five hundred points. I mean they were totally legit.

1679
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Houston Texans became the National Football League's thirty second franchise.

1680
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 2: About those Texans last year, c J. Stroud, I didn't

1681
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 2: you know what they.

1682
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:38,640
Speaker 1: And they played their first preseason game against the Patriots.

1683
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 2: And you guys picked them.

1684
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 1: He got well, he had a couple of bad plays.

1685
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 1: A man, I said, if this guy got a long

1686
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: way to go, well somewhere, he got it going pretty fast,

1687
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 1: fast fast.

1688
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 2: I mean he was able to adjust and like he

1689
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 2: just he looked calm the whole year.

1690
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1691
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:55,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's in a testament to the offensive

1692
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 2: coordinator the whole in the relationship that they had in

1693
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:01,880
Speaker 2: the developed in such a short time. That's what people

1694
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,679
Speaker 2: don't realize. What do you think is evolved the most

1695
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 2: to nowadays football looking at like a CJ. Stroud and

1696
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 2: how football is being called, it's the biggest jump.

1697
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 1: It's really become it's become more of a space game.

1698
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 1: I mean the National Football League has always been about

1699
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 1: the passing game has always been much more developed than

1700
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 1: you get in college. But it's the whole. I mean

1701
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:30,679
Speaker 1: everybody's kind of gone the same direction. I mean, I've

1702
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 1: high school football now they're all spread out. You know,

1703
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:37,599
Speaker 1: college it's all spread out. It's you know, making everybody

1704
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 1: playing space and you have you know, high school kids.

1705
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 1: You know when Bill Watsh was coaching quarterbacks the forty

1706
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 1: nine ers, i mean he was doing stuff your quarterbacks footwork,

1707
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 1: you know, he was you know, light years ahead of

1708
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 1: his time. I mean everybody's doing that in high school now.

1709
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 1: So it's information information. I mean, I thought about the

1710
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty New England Austin Patriots. You would never even

1711
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 1: think about lifting weights. You know, kids are so much bigger, stronger.

1712
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 2: Who are you watching football still?

1713
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:08,679
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1714
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 2: Who in the league right now? Are you impressed with

1715
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 2: what they're doing.

1716
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 1: Oh, I've been impressed for about the last seven years

1717
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 1: with the Chiefs, and I thought, last you know, talk

1718
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 1: about adjusting the situation. They get into a situation where

1719
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:27,839
Speaker 1: I think they knew they were struggling to tackle to protect.

1720
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 1: They had, you know, the Senator Stevenson and Joe TONI

1721
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 1: was a hell of a player. Card struggle a little

1722
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: bit of tackle. So you know what, do what you

1723
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 1: gotta do. You got Travis Kelsey, Hey, he's he's chipping.

1724
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 1: I mean they're all shipping. They're chipping the defensive ends

1725
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 1: before they get out. Because if you don't have pass protection,

1726
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 1: I don't care who you got back there, it's it's

1727
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a problem. So they adjust, they need

1728
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:50,599
Speaker 1: to help the tackles, to help the tackles.

1729
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that they have been really impressive because

1730
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 2: it gets harder when people don't realize, which we experience.

1731
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 2: It gets harder and harder each year. And to see

1732
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 2: how these last two years they were they were able

1733
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 2: to evolve their team and and have the humility like Patrick.

1734
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:08,839
Speaker 2: That takes a lot for a guy like Patrick omes

1735
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 2: to have the humility to take that check down to

1736
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:14,840
Speaker 2: to hit where the ball is supposed to go, to

1737
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 2: hit where the ball is supposed to go. Play, you know,

1738
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 2: possession football, play to our good defense. And then the

1739
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 2: one time they mess up, that's when you hit the

1740
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 2: twenty two yard incut.

1741
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:26,679
Speaker 1: You know that that's and this is taken into account.

1742
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:30,639
Speaker 1: You know, they don't have they don't have Tyreek kill.

1743
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 1: I mean, so they've really they've done this. I'm not

1744
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:38,040
Speaker 1: taking anything, but you know, I mean they everybody knows

1745
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 1: they had the issue of catching the ball last year. Yeah,

1746
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 1: and you know, you just keep plugging away, keep plugging away.

1747
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 1: I mean that's never quit, never quit on a play.

1748
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 1: And that's the like we had. If you remember, uh

1749
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 1: one year we had we had some Patriots guests come

1750
01:32:57,320 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 1: in and we had one of my favorite people who

1751
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:02,599
Speaker 1: that first draft I was in. We took fifth pick

1752
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 1: in the draft, Mike Haynes. Now, Mike had a Hall

1753
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:08,240
Speaker 1: of Fame career as a defensive back. By the way,

1754
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 1: if he had stayed at wide receiver, because Eric frank

1755
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 1: Cush at Arizona State, moving the defensive back, he had

1756
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 1: him be in a Hall of Fame receiver too, because

1757
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 1: he had phenomenal ball skills, punt return skills. They needed

1758
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:24,360
Speaker 1: somebody on defense. They put them over on defense. But

1759
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 1: the thing, and I remember this was Mike came in

1760
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 1: talking to the defensive backs. They said, hey, never quit

1761
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 1: on a play. If you're beat by a step, just

1762
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:37,640
Speaker 1: keep going because the ball might not be perfect and

1763
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 1: you still might have a chance to make a player.

1764
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 1: Never quit, never quit, you know that's Ernie.

1765
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:45,960
Speaker 2: Can I have you come talk to my my seven

1766
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:48,599
Speaker 2: year old daughter right now, and sometimes the ball gets

1767
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 2: taken from her in soccer. Can't quit on the.

1768
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 1: Play, can't put on the play. I mean, you can't quit.

1769
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:58,560
Speaker 2: Kids. No one is that good. You guys aren't that

1770
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 2: good to quit on a play. Look at the greatest

1771
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 2: of greats. They never quit on a play.

1772
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:08,479
Speaker 1: And listen, you may get beat by step. It maybe

1773
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:11,640
Speaker 1: a perfect pass, hit, maybe a touchdown, but there's a

1774
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 1: good chance to pass won't be perfect then, you know.

1775
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 2: Just just keep just keep playing, keep playing. And that's

1776
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:21,800
Speaker 2: what the two thousand and one New England Patriots did

1777
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 2: against the greatest show on turf, against the defending Super

1778
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 2: Bowl champions. Jackie, will you please break this game down

1779
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:33,719
Speaker 2: and set the stage.

1780
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 3: What a gorgeous segue. What a segue?

1781
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:38,760
Speaker 5: I love it all right, let's run through these rams

1782
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 5: real quick. As Jules mentioned earlier, this is the greatest

1783
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 5: show on turf era. We all remember they beat the

1784
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:49,680
Speaker 5: Titans one yard short two years prior to this, the

1785
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:52,679
Speaker 5: only team in NFL history to score over five hundred

1786
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:56,880
Speaker 5: points and three straight seasons fourteen to two, record best

1787
01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:59,599
Speaker 5: record in franchise history. Eight and er on the road.

1788
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:03,599
Speaker 5: Some dudes we love naming dudes. Kurt Warner, Marshall, fulk

1789
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:05,600
Speaker 5: Isaac Bruce, Torry.

1790
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 1: Holt and e S.

1791
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 5: Williams, Orlando Pace, Adam Marciletta's rookie season, Grant Winstrom, he

1792
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:12,240
Speaker 5: was a tough dealers.

1793
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 2: To watch Adam Marceletta do these hamstring things. I was like,

1794
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:20,720
Speaker 2: oh my god, he's got some strong hamster londoner. Never

1795
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:24,879
Speaker 2: missed it down, iron man, iron Man. That's the most impressive.

1796
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:28,000
Speaker 2: Him and Derrick Brooks, I think, were two linebackers that

1797
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:29,520
Speaker 2: never missed a play football.

1798
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:32,479
Speaker 1: Well and I wanted to. Okay, so we're talking two

1799
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 1: thousand and one, we'll give you another stat. It's to

1800
01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:38,840
Speaker 1: me impressive two of the guys on our team, two

1801
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 1: of our great linebackers, the Patriots, Mike Frabele and Teddy

1802
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 1: bruce Ky each had I think eleven hundred plays on defense,

1803
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 1: and they each had two hundred plays on special teams. Yes, okay,

1804
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 1: I mean you can do more. You could do. Hey,

1805
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:57,200
Speaker 1: you need me on special teams. That's what I'm here

1806
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 1: for now. Now you probably with this latest CBA that

1807
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 1: would probably be ruled illegal by the Players Association, forget it.

1808
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:08,639
Speaker 1: But you know both Mike, you know Mike and Teddy,

1809
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:11,200
Speaker 1: they they were in there on special.

1810
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:16,599
Speaker 2: Teams like you know or any My first day introduction

1811
01:36:17,200 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 2: introduced to stabbing on punt team. I was paired up

1812
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 2: with Teddy Bruski.

1813
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:24,200
Speaker 1: Did you get an education? Yeah?

1814
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:28,080
Speaker 2: He basically said, if if I ever touch him again,

1815
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:30,600
Speaker 2: he'll he'll cut off my arm. So I had to

1816
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 2: do the next rep stabbing the air behind him. Hey,

1817
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 2: gotta get those reps in with Teddy Bruski to the

1818
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:39,040
Speaker 2: day he retired, was doing special teams like he was

1819
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:40,720
Speaker 2: doing special teams drills. I love that.

1820
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:41,959
Speaker 3: That's a real football player.

1821
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:44,679
Speaker 1: Which which and that was the key if you saw

1822
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 1: one thing that was the key to the new Patriots

1823
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:51,240
Speaker 1: success is we had real football players. The Patriot way Hey,

1824
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 1: get real football players, and let's go do it.

1825
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:56,800
Speaker 2: Eat some dirt, take a tablespoon of cement, get bitched at,

1826
01:36:57,680 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 2: put a dip in meeting, and then playing the last

1827
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 2: game of the year.

1828
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 1: Okay, And one thing else about this two thousand and

1829
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 1: one team, because we were that was the last season

1830
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 1: in the old season. But the new stadium was a

1831
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:15,280
Speaker 1: construction site, and we all knew we could hear the bells.

1832
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:17,720
Speaker 1: We knew when the blasters come because then they had

1833
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 1: to blast that out of the side of hell. We

1834
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:23,320
Speaker 1: knew when the blasters coming and got a little jolt

1835
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 1: in the earth. And we also knew when the wind

1836
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 1: picked up it was going to look like one of

1837
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 1: those those sandstorms on the Sahara. That wind, wall of

1838
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:35,679
Speaker 1: wind a dirt would be coming right ash. You know something,

1839
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 1: You just had to turn around the letther hits in

1840
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 1: the back. You didn't want you didn't want to catch.

1841
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:44,000
Speaker 2: That right and the just I pitcheder Ernie riding a

1842
01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:49,559
Speaker 2: camel with like a Sahara headband all and you.

1843
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:54,320
Speaker 1: Talk about facilities, we had one of those bubbles, you

1844
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 1: know that they pumped the air in for the end

1845
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 1: of a practice. Well, right here in the playoffs, it

1846
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 1: got snow, snow on it, the bubble collapsed. For practice,

1847
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:06,879
Speaker 1: we had to bus every day up to Boston College

1848
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:09,960
Speaker 1: to get it into our practice facility. So that was

1849
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:12,639
Speaker 1: forty yeah, about forty five minutes up to BC practice,

1850
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:14,200
Speaker 1: getting the bust and go back.

1851
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 2: And for all you all you listeners out there to say, oh,

1852
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 2: why are they going to the indoor facilities because the

1853
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 2: game was going to be in an indoor facility, so

1854
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:23,519
Speaker 2: they were getting the preparation for the game.

1855
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:26,360
Speaker 1: Well right, It was just uh, you know, it's one

1856
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:28,720
Speaker 1: of those real you know New England's you know.

1857
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:30,880
Speaker 2: Because we used the bubble three times in my career,

1858
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 2: maybe four once when the fields were way too frozen,

1859
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 2: and then a couple other times where you guys would

1860
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 2: pump up the heat as hot as you possibly could

1861
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:41,639
Speaker 2: in December and then you guys would spray the water.

1862
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 2: You put puddles of water to get humidity. Play against Miami.

1863
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 1: Actually it was because we didn't practice. We didn't practice

1864
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:53,360
Speaker 1: here for the for the Super Bowl because we played,

1865
01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:55,920
Speaker 1: remember we played the championship. Oh yeah, but but it

1866
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:57,320
Speaker 1: was like getting ready to go play.

1867
01:38:57,439 --> 01:39:00,320
Speaker 2: You know, regular games. Yeah, there's no bye week, but.

1868
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:02,439
Speaker 1: But we ended up having to take some you know,

1869
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:04,560
Speaker 1: you know, take an hour and a half, you know,

1870
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:06,519
Speaker 1: go to a bus ride to you know where you

1871
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:07,559
Speaker 1: could practice football.

1872
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:10,799
Speaker 2: What made this offense the greatest show on turf? So special?

1873
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:16,040
Speaker 1: They did? You know, Mike Martz was did you.

1874
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:18,879
Speaker 2: See him in the documentary? He was still salty, still salty,

1875
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:20,559
Speaker 2: and he was good.

1876
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:23,760
Speaker 1: He was going to try to destroy people throwing the ball.

1877
01:39:24,120 --> 01:39:27,320
Speaker 1: They got great skill, people, great protection, and they were

1878
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:29,639
Speaker 1: one of the you know, use motion, get out there,

1879
01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 1: use Marshall Fox. You know that receiver coming out, he

1880
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 1: wasn't just he was as good a receiver as they

1881
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:39,440
Speaker 1: had coming out of the backfield. So use all the receivers,

1882
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:41,960
Speaker 1: Kurt Warrant. They did a great job opening it up,

1883
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:43,559
Speaker 1: spread it out, get people in motion.

1884
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:47,840
Speaker 2: These forty nine ers of now remind me of that

1885
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:49,240
Speaker 2: kind of offense where they.

1886
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:51,519
Speaker 1: They may have their but they aren't quite hit that.

1887
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:54,639
Speaker 1: They haven't quite hit well I mean the end. Yeah right, well,

1888
01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:58,680
Speaker 1: this is but the evolution of football. You know, their

1889
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 1: rams were playing, they were playing football in two thousand

1890
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:04,479
Speaker 1: and one the way a lot more people are playing now.

1891
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:08,240
Speaker 1: And of course everybody, okay, hey, these guys scored five points.

1892
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:11,720
Speaker 1: Everyone would study them. You try to incorporate what they're doing.

1893
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:14,120
Speaker 1: You know. They used to say, you know, if you

1894
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:16,720
Speaker 1: if you just go to take what one coach is

1895
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:20,080
Speaker 1: doing and copy that, it's stealing. If you look at

1896
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:23,680
Speaker 1: a lot of coaches are doing. That's research. Okay, a

1897
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:25,320
Speaker 1: lot of people do a lot of research.

1898
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:26,200
Speaker 2: You know.

1899
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:28,759
Speaker 1: You know what, if a coach has got an idea

1900
01:40:28,840 --> 01:40:31,240
Speaker 1: that works, it's it's going to show up with you know,

1901
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 1: ten other people doing it next week.

1902
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:35,240
Speaker 2: What was it with their defense, Ernie?

1903
01:40:36,040 --> 01:40:40,760
Speaker 1: You know, they were the Lovey Smith was their defensive coordinator,

1904
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:44,760
Speaker 1: and they were playing a very like the way they played.

1905
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:48,439
Speaker 1: He had been at Tampa with Money Kiffen with the

1906
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:53,280
Speaker 1: Tampa two, uh you know, and he really incorporated you know,

1907
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 1: the Tampa two scheme in there, and they had some

1908
01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:58,120
Speaker 1: guys who could really come off the ball and rush.

1909
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,880
Speaker 2: The passer that Tampa two down to the last drive.

1910
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:02,800
Speaker 2: We won't get into it right now, but that's why

1911
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:05,120
Speaker 2: he was hitting the check downs. Probably, Jackie, why don't

1912
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:07,400
Speaker 2: you jump into the New England Patriots and set the

1913
01:41:07,479 --> 01:41:09,400
Speaker 2: stage for the Pats.

1914
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:11,680
Speaker 5: Let's do it, Let's do it. We talked about a

1915
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:13,760
Speaker 5: lot of these guys earlier. This was a team with

1916
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:17,559
Speaker 5: some real deal football players, some og Patriots, Tom Brady,

1917
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:21,000
Speaker 5: Troy Brown, Lawyer Malloy Tye Law, David.

1918
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 3: Patton j R.

1919
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:25,439
Speaker 5: Redmond Joe Andrewsy, Jermaine wing Its, Kevin Falk, Adam Van Terry,

1920
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:30,160
Speaker 5: Teddy brews Ki, vrabel Seymour's rookie season, Matt Light's rookie season,

1921
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 5: Willie McGinness, Otis Smith, Ted Johnson, Roman Pfeiffer, Damian Woody,

1922
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:38,519
Speaker 5: Anthony Pleasant. This was the second year of Bill's Bill's

1923
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:41,920
Speaker 5: tenure in New England, coming off a year where they

1924
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:46,120
Speaker 5: finished fifth in the AFC East, so expectations were like

1925
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:48,000
Speaker 5: a little up in the air, but they had just

1926
01:41:48,040 --> 01:41:51,160
Speaker 5: done Drew Bledsoe to a huge contract ten years, one

1927
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:54,280
Speaker 5: hundred and three million in the offseason, leading the next one.

1928
01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 1: Crazy right.

1929
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:59,559
Speaker 5: Terry Glenn was also on this roster, suspended a good

1930
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:02,639
Speaker 5: bit and only ended up playing four games. This season

1931
01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:07,160
Speaker 5: wasn't on that playoff run, and this was the season

1932
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:10,080
Speaker 5: Tom was thrust into the starting role only a second

1933
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:12,120
Speaker 5: year in the league, and also got to give some

1934
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 5: flowers to this coaching staff. Bill, Charlie Weiss, Romeo Cornell,

1935
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:20,599
Speaker 5: Ernie scar Andre Tippett was in the front office, Dave

1936
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:25,759
Speaker 5: Ball was a coaching assistant, Pepper Johnson, Rob Ryan outside

1937
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:26,719
Speaker 5: linebackers coach.

1938
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:27,639
Speaker 3: Scott Boli.

1939
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:30,840
Speaker 5: This was a this was a loaded og Patriots brain trust,

1940
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 5: front office and coaching staff.

1941
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:40,320
Speaker 2: Ernie hearing that group of coaches. Which group of coaches

1942
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:43,760
Speaker 2: through your Patriot tenure, did you feel that you guys

1943
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 2: were clicking?

1944
01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:46,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know real.

1945
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:48,760
Speaker 2: Which was your favorite staff to work with?

1946
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:52,439
Speaker 1: I mean, the one thing I'm going to go back

1947
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:55,200
Speaker 1: to my four years with the Patriots with Chuck Fairbanks

1948
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:59,920
Speaker 1: that clicked basically every I got to come to work

1949
01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:02,640
Speaker 1: for four years with Chuck and for twenty years with

1950
01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:05,840
Speaker 1: Bill and basically we were doing things the right way

1951
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:07,800
Speaker 1: and clicking. I mean, it was fun. It was it

1952
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:11,080
Speaker 1: was Hey, it was fun coming to work. Yeah, there

1953
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:13,240
Speaker 1: were I mean, there's always stuff that comes up that

1954
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:16,920
Speaker 1: you gotta deal with, so you know, you deal with it.

1955
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:20,160
Speaker 1: But as far as having really good people there who

1956
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:24,560
Speaker 1: could work together, I mean, it was That's that's what

1957
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 1: made a lot of it. That's what made forty years

1958
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:27,920
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Yeah.

1959
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:32,160
Speaker 2: Now you come into the building two thousand and one,

1960
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:37,600
Speaker 2: the week after Ledsoe gets his body bashed by mo

1961
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:41,519
Speaker 2: Lewis almost died, almost died. You got your briefcase, You

1962
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:43,920
Speaker 2: got your newspaper and your briefcast. I've seen you do

1963
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:45,600
Speaker 2: it every time you walk into the building with a

1964
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:48,680
Speaker 2: briefcase in newspaper. When newspapers New York Times, New York Times.

1965
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:52,200
Speaker 1: So some people can't function if they're already the New

1966
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 1: York Times every day. I'm one of those people, like

1967
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm here in Santa Monica, and I can use if

1968
01:43:57,680 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 1: I'm on the road, I can usually sniff out with

1969
01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:03,559
Speaker 1: a New York Times. Just I I didn't. I wasn't able.

1970
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:05,320
Speaker 1: This is a rare time. I wasn't able to do

1971
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:07,760
Speaker 1: it this morning. But I know, I know it was

1972
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 1: delivered to my my porch and brookline this morning, so

1973
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:11,559
Speaker 1: it'll be there.

1974
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:12,880
Speaker 2: When I got earned. You could have put that in

1975
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:15,360
Speaker 2: the requests. I would have had the New York Times

1976
01:44:15,479 --> 01:44:19,200
Speaker 2: delivered with the guy with the hat and a glass

1977
01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:24,160
Speaker 2: of milk for you, lady. Now, what do you remember

1978
01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 2: about this aftermath? What do you remember going into this

1979
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:31,200
Speaker 2: this next chapter of Like you guys were two and

1980
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:32,479
Speaker 2: two at the time, and.

1981
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:35,600
Speaker 1: We were we were we were oh and to and

1982
01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:38,320
Speaker 1: to Yeah, oh and two is a little different than

1983
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:40,880
Speaker 1: too and two. Okay, you lose to blood soe, and

1984
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:43,560
Speaker 1: you know what, we're gonna play game that, you know.

1985
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:47,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like Bill, everybody thinks on the Cincinnati.

1986
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:49,840
Speaker 1: You know what, we got a game next week. We

1987
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:53,559
Speaker 1: don't have three days to be wallowing around feeling sorry

1988
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:55,360
Speaker 1: for ourselves. We got a game next week.

1989
01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:56,160
Speaker 3: We got the Colts.

1990
01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:59,519
Speaker 1: We got the Colts, and let's let's go. I mean,

1991
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:03,200
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a in a way. I mean,

1992
01:45:03,240 --> 01:45:05,800
Speaker 1: it's it's a cold business that work. Particularly if you know,

1993
01:45:06,160 --> 01:45:08,559
Speaker 1: if you're the player that gets hurt and you come

1994
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:10,720
Speaker 1: and go, hey, you know what they're going on without me?

1995
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:14,599
Speaker 1: I mean, you know the world is going uh it's

1996
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:18,080
Speaker 1: it's like I lived, It's sure, it's it's like it's

1997
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:21,120
Speaker 1: gonna hit Bill the opening the next season, Patriots is

1998
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:23,200
Speaker 1: gonna play a game without me. I mean, you talk

1999
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:26,160
Speaker 1: about the lockers on't own their least. I mean, we're

2000
01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:29,280
Speaker 1: all if the owners own the footballs, the coaches and

2001
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:32,000
Speaker 1: the and the players, they are the temporary employees. And

2002
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:34,040
Speaker 1: but you know that's the world. Let's go.

2003
01:45:34,520 --> 01:45:40,360
Speaker 2: Now, when in the season. Did you guys feel that

2004
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:42,360
Speaker 2: you're gonna all right, we're gonna stick with Tom?

2005
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:45,640
Speaker 1: You know, really probably when we got into you know,

2006
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:50,280
Speaker 1: you know, in into uh, you know, in November, I mean,

2007
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:52,320
Speaker 1: you know, because Tom, I mean we had to. So

2008
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:55,200
Speaker 1: we we beat the Colts, we beat the Chargers. We

2009
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:57,920
Speaker 1: we we go down to Miami and get our ass

2010
01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:01,280
Speaker 1: kicked always and and then and so we have one

2011
01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:03,360
Speaker 1: of those great lines. Then we go out and play

2012
01:46:03,400 --> 01:46:07,040
Speaker 1: the second game with the Colts, uh in Indianapolis. And

2013
01:46:07,120 --> 01:46:09,720
Speaker 1: this was really kind of like the breakout game for

2014
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:14,040
Speaker 1: our offense. David Patton had the this is game. He

2015
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:17,439
Speaker 1: ran for a touchdown, he caught a touchdown, and he

2016
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:20,640
Speaker 1: threw a touchdown. He's the other player who completed the

2017
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:23,720
Speaker 1: double pass for a touchdown. We were two for two

2018
01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:26,240
Speaker 1: on double pass for the touchdown. You were part of one,

2019
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:28,760
Speaker 1: David pat was the other. So we're going out playing

2020
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:31,519
Speaker 1: the Colts and we're beating them pretty good and I

2021
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:34,439
Speaker 1: can't even think who the who? The play by play

2022
01:46:34,479 --> 01:46:43,400
Speaker 1: guy was, Yeah, we score a touchdown. Who are these guys? Okay,

2023
01:46:43,640 --> 01:46:45,599
Speaker 1: that's where we were starting. We were the who are

2024
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:50,720
Speaker 1: these guys? People? And you know, but we just kept

2025
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:53,240
Speaker 1: you know, hey, we we we got better. We uh

2026
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, just just kept going. We get the big

2027
01:46:56,439 --> 01:46:59,599
Speaker 1: game for us. You know, were playing that Rams game

2028
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:02,000
Speaker 1: we played in early December. We lost. That was the

2029
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:03,040
Speaker 1: last game we lost.

2030
01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:04,479
Speaker 3: That's right, week ten.

2031
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:07,599
Speaker 1: That was that. That was we we did not lose

2032
01:47:07,680 --> 01:47:08,559
Speaker 1: another football game.

2033
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:11,479
Speaker 2: So the Colts the second Colds game, you guys knew

2034
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:12,479
Speaker 2: when that was.

2035
01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:14,600
Speaker 1: That's when we started. We started to get it, you know,

2036
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:19,639
Speaker 1: and we were still you know, feeling feeling our way

2037
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:21,680
Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, we were we were a

2038
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 1: little engine that could. Okay, this is not this is

2039
01:47:25,080 --> 01:47:27,360
Speaker 1: not the Patriots of two thousand and seven, you know,

2040
01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:29,920
Speaker 1: and I think I'm the first one that really used,

2041
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:31,760
Speaker 1: you know, with the Evil Empire. Now, we were a

2042
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:34,920
Speaker 1: little engine that could, you know. And that's where you know,

2043
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:37,600
Speaker 1: when John Madden's talking about the Super Bowl matchup, it

2044
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:41,760
Speaker 1: was like this poor little Patriots, you know, well, you know, hey,

2045
01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:44,800
Speaker 1: we just but you know, we were just out doing

2046
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:46,280
Speaker 1: the best we could. Every day.

2047
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:52,599
Speaker 2: You said evil Empire, You Star Wars guy, No, you then.

2048
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:55,880
Speaker 1: You know that My my, what I remember the Evil

2049
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:59,720
Speaker 1: Empire was was Ronald Reagan talking about the Russians. If

2050
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:03,880
Speaker 1: you with evil. That's where I think, you know evil

2051
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:06,640
Speaker 1: empire to me that that's where it comes from. I

2052
01:48:06,720 --> 01:48:08,840
Speaker 1: mean for me, movies, I'm like, I'm more of a

2053
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:13,840
Speaker 1: Humphrey Bogart guy. I like on those Jeopardy things, history

2054
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:18,720
Speaker 1: and all. I'm really good you started talking movies, I

2055
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:19,800
Speaker 1: can get out of my depth.

2056
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:22,519
Speaker 2: Are you killing it on Jeopardy every night with the wife?

2057
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:25,679
Speaker 1: I have? You know, I mean I haven't watched it years.

2058
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:28,479
Speaker 1: I mean just when I would see it, like the

2059
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:31,679
Speaker 1: history type questions. I was usually good when you're talking

2060
01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:33,880
Speaker 1: about movies and actors and not so.

2061
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:37,600
Speaker 2: Much getting back into this season. So we we we

2062
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 2: we find out Colts, all right, Tom's our guy. All right,

2063
01:48:43,439 --> 01:48:44,720
Speaker 2: we just signed a hundred million guy.

2064
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:45,920
Speaker 1: But so.

2065
01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:50,400
Speaker 2: Taking the back seat to the kid kid comes out?

2066
01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:52,760
Speaker 2: When did you realize he could win a super Bowl

2067
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:55,280
Speaker 2: or could help the team be part of the team

2068
01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:58,440
Speaker 2: that won a super Bowl? Was it in the playoffs?

2069
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:01,000
Speaker 1: Was it, yeah, I have to we beat the rams

2070
01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:07,320
Speaker 1: of the super Bowl? Hey, this is you know, we're

2071
01:49:07,439 --> 01:49:09,720
Speaker 1: just going you know, we're just doing the you know,

2072
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:13,559
Speaker 1: we're just doing the best we can. I mean, it's uh,

2073
01:49:14,240 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 1: we had no going into this scam. I knew we

2074
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:20,280
Speaker 1: had a good week of practice and we do the

2075
01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:22,720
Speaker 1: best we could. Did I know we were gonna go

2076
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:24,360
Speaker 1: out and beat the Rams, No. I knew we would

2077
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:26,560
Speaker 1: go and play the best of our ability because we

2078
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:30,200
Speaker 1: had a you know, I mean we practiced down at

2079
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:34,720
Speaker 1: our practice Tulane. We had I thought, really good practices

2080
01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:37,120
Speaker 1: that week. I thought, you know, hey, we're ready to go.

2081
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:40,880
Speaker 2: Now. Do you remember anything part of the preparation process

2082
01:49:41,080 --> 01:49:44,439
Speaker 2: for this team, a hot keyword or a key that

2083
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:47,639
Speaker 2: we needed to do Because everyone talks about, oh being

2084
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:50,759
Speaker 2: physical with the greatest show on turf, was that something

2085
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:52,679
Speaker 2: that was at a point of emphasis. Getting the guys

2086
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:54,400
Speaker 2: at line of scrimmage to knock off the time? You know,

2087
01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:56,000
Speaker 2: the West Coast always can we try?

2088
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean that was really the key to our

2089
01:49:59,200 --> 01:50:01,920
Speaker 1: defensive plan. Thing was they could. They had a really

2090
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:05,280
Speaker 1: good team. We didn't think they had the patience to

2091
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:07,639
Speaker 1: run the ball. So if they were going to play

2092
01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:10,400
Speaker 1: on first time, if they call the Trappers something hit

2093
01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:12,920
Speaker 1: seven yards, don't worry about it. They're going to come

2094
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:15,880
Speaker 1: out throwing. So we played them as a past first

2095
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:19,439
Speaker 1: team every snap. We really didn't worry about them trying

2096
01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:21,360
Speaker 1: to run the ball down our throats. You know. So

2097
01:50:21,479 --> 01:50:25,320
Speaker 1: we played you know, we played a lot of get

2098
01:50:25,400 --> 01:50:28,360
Speaker 1: the fastest players we could on the field, who could

2099
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:32,040
Speaker 1: play against the past. We played cover five on first down.

2100
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:35,360
Speaker 1: You know, it's not a great first terrible, but but

2101
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:38,200
Speaker 1: you gotta run it. But you know what we played

2102
01:50:38,240 --> 01:50:40,720
Speaker 1: them is, you know, we say they're going to come

2103
01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:43,080
Speaker 1: in and try to beat us throwing. So that's that's

2104
01:50:43,120 --> 01:50:45,280
Speaker 1: what we're going to do. That's what gives us the

2105
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:45,960
Speaker 1: best chance.

2106
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:48,960
Speaker 2: Now, there's a story out there that you and Bill

2107
01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:53,200
Speaker 2: on the plane ride to New Orleans came up with something.

2108
01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:54,479
Speaker 2: You guys had something.

2109
01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:54,920
Speaker 9: What was that?

2110
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:58,640
Speaker 1: I just just what I just said right there. We say, hey,

2111
01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:01,519
Speaker 1: this is this is the way we need to play

2112
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:05,880
Speaker 1: defense against this team to have a chance. If they decide, hey,

2113
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:10,040
Speaker 1: if they if they see we're playing pass every down

2114
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:11,479
Speaker 1: and they want to come up to getting the I

2115
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:14,879
Speaker 1: formation and run against us, we will have to adjust.

2116
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 1: But we're going to go in playing this is a

2117
01:51:17,479 --> 01:51:21,400
Speaker 1: pass first team and we make them do something different.

2118
01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:23,320
Speaker 2: Did they do that in week ten where they have

2119
01:51:23,439 --> 01:51:26,439
Speaker 2: pass for basically they were a pass for three guys

2120
01:51:26,600 --> 01:51:28,920
Speaker 2: that they were This is a passion team.

2121
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:32,120
Speaker 1: I mean, they they had good players, they could run

2122
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:35,560
Speaker 1: the ball. But if we I just if we go

2123
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:38,760
Speaker 1: into this game worrying about their running game, they'll you know,

2124
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:40,920
Speaker 1: they'll run, you know, they'll throw it for thirty points.

2125
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:44,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the confidence was there were you guys were

2126
01:51:44,479 --> 01:51:46,920
Speaker 2: real confident. You already had a snapshot of playing them.

2127
01:51:47,120 --> 01:51:51,679
Speaker 1: We were confident, this is what gives us the best chance.

2128
01:51:52,280 --> 01:51:54,559
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna do this and we're gonna win.

2129
01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:57,160
Speaker 1: And no, that's you know, hey, this is the team

2130
01:51:57,240 --> 01:51:59,880
Speaker 1: we're playing. This is what they do. We got to

2131
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:03,600
Speaker 1: take their their strength away from them. And really it

2132
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:07,320
Speaker 1: went from being that the week before this we've gone

2133
01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:10,600
Speaker 1: into play the Steelers, and that was you know, that

2134
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:16,280
Speaker 1: was Jerome Bettis Cordell has a totally different game game

2135
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:20,320
Speaker 1: plan team, I mean, change it. So we play, we

2136
01:52:20,479 --> 01:52:22,840
Speaker 1: go and play the Steelers. It's cover three. We're going

2137
01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:25,240
Speaker 1: to bring the strong safety. We are going to stop

2138
01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:29,320
Speaker 1: their running game and make them be us throwing. You know,

2139
01:52:29,720 --> 01:52:32,640
Speaker 1: we get on the plane Monday morning, we gotta go

2140
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Speaker 1: down to New Orleans. It's a totally different set of problems.

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01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:39,800
Speaker 1: And that's what having played the Rams once, we really

2142
01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:43,479
Speaker 1: knew Okay, this is what the rams are. You know,

2143
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:46,280
Speaker 1: this is this is this is who this team is,

2144
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:48,680
Speaker 1: This is what we this is the problem we have

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01:52:49,200 --> 01:52:50,960
Speaker 1: this week. This is what we have to do.

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01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:53,879
Speaker 2: So is that what the that's what the analytics said, guys.

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01:52:53,880 --> 01:52:57,479
Speaker 1: No, analytics was billing me sitting down on the plane

2148
01:52:57,560 --> 01:52:58,519
Speaker 1: figuring it out.

2149
01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:01,920
Speaker 2: That was you get fed up with hearing this bullshit

2150
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:05,000
Speaker 2: analytics talk. Well, you know what, it's like, I'm the

2151
01:53:05,040 --> 01:53:09,519
Speaker 2: analytic godfather. You know, for instance, there's a h Ernie

2152
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:12,280
Speaker 2: Adams analytics. I am analytics.

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01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:15,960
Speaker 1: You know, like for instance, if something.

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01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:21,000
Speaker 2: Went for it as analytics, Ernie before analytics, you know.

2155
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:24,439
Speaker 1: But there was if something if somebody has got something

2156
01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:27,960
Speaker 1: that makes sense, you know, we're we're like David Romer

2157
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:31,880
Speaker 1: was an economist that at the University California. I mean,

2158
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:33,720
Speaker 1: his wife was a critical part of, you know, some

2159
01:53:33,840 --> 01:53:38,320
Speaker 1: presidential administrations, and he wrote the paper on why I'm

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01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:40,680
Speaker 1: fourth and golf from the one you really want to

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01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:43,200
Speaker 1: go for it? Well, I read the paper and you

2162
01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:46,960
Speaker 1: know what, this makes sense. So it's it's it's like,

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01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:51,320
Speaker 1: analytics is one thing, but if it's good analytics, it's

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01:53:51,400 --> 01:53:55,000
Speaker 1: gonna make sense. For instance, you know this whole thing

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01:53:55,040 --> 01:53:57,040
Speaker 1: that came up the Super Bowl that was just played,

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01:53:57,880 --> 01:54:01,200
Speaker 1: and I have been waiting for this situation for three years.

2167
01:54:01,680 --> 01:54:06,519
Speaker 1: Somebody when they changed the rule on overtime, you know,

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01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:11,000
Speaker 1: this is totally different. And to be honest with you,

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01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:14,280
Speaker 1: they flipped the you know, the forty nine ers win

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01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:17,720
Speaker 1: the toss and my text I sent the bill right then,

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01:54:17,800 --> 01:54:20,200
Speaker 1: I said, this is the first time in the National

2172
01:54:20,240 --> 01:54:23,719
Speaker 1: Football League history the right call on winning the coin

2173
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:25,840
Speaker 1: toss is we want to kick.

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01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:26,720
Speaker 2: Now.

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01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:29,800
Speaker 1: You know, we remember the playoff game we get you know,

2176
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:33,160
Speaker 1: the overtime game in the regular season against Denver win.

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01:54:33,400 --> 01:54:36,760
Speaker 1: We took the wind. You know, this wasn't a case

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01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:39,520
Speaker 1: of you know, we want the win that our back.

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01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:42,000
Speaker 1: We would take the chance on giving the ball to

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01:54:42,040 --> 01:54:44,600
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning. We just felt us out weighed by you know,

2181
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:47,800
Speaker 1: we're playing in this for three hours. We can see

2182
01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:50,520
Speaker 1: what the wind is. We know the important thing is

2183
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:54,640
Speaker 1: having our back. Well, the Super Bowl with Kansas City

2184
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:58,640
Speaker 1: and it's inside, there is no win. But to me,

2185
01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:01,880
Speaker 1: the call is we want to kick. We want to

2186
01:55:01,960 --> 01:55:05,120
Speaker 1: go on defense first. And the big reason it came

2187
01:55:05,240 --> 01:55:07,880
Speaker 1: up when Kansas City got the ball. You know what

2188
01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:11,440
Speaker 1: you need, and you know when you're in four down territory,

2189
01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:14,080
Speaker 1: off the way, because it comes up fourth down you

2190
01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:16,760
Speaker 1: can go for it. Well, if you know you're going

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01:55:16,840 --> 01:55:19,440
Speaker 1: to be going for it on fourth down, that changes

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01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:21,240
Speaker 1: the way you can call the game a first, second,

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01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:24,200
Speaker 1: and third down. And to me, that's that's the biggest

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01:55:24,840 --> 01:55:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, that's the biggest reason. And as interesting is

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01:55:28,240 --> 01:55:32,040
Speaker 1: I had never I mean, yes, Kyle Shanahan said, Okay,

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01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:35,160
Speaker 1: if it comes to a third possession, you know it

2197
01:55:35,400 --> 01:55:37,120
Speaker 1: we score a week, kick a field goal, you kick

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01:55:37,160 --> 01:55:39,520
Speaker 1: field goal, I get the ball the third time, all right,

2199
01:55:39,600 --> 01:55:42,200
Speaker 1: then I can win it with a field goal. That's

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01:55:43,240 --> 01:55:45,160
Speaker 1: I hadn't really thought of it that way, And that's

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01:55:45,200 --> 01:55:47,680
Speaker 1: certainly a valid point, but I think it's overweight by

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01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:50,840
Speaker 1: the fact if I'd rather have the ball second. So

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01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:55,600
Speaker 1: I know what I need. But to me, analytics is

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01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:59,280
Speaker 1: if it makes does it make good sense? You know,

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01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:01,880
Speaker 1: there's got to be a valid reason behind it, not

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01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:04,280
Speaker 1: just the computer told me to do. And I don't

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01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:06,480
Speaker 1: care what sports you're in. You know, it's like the

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01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:09,760
Speaker 1: whole thing three point shots in basketball. Okay, well, yeah,

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01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:14,000
Speaker 1: it makes you know, it's points for possession. So if

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01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:16,720
Speaker 1: you've got somebody who can, you know, shoot forty percent

2211
01:56:16,840 --> 01:56:19,120
Speaker 1: shooting threes? Go go ahead and shoot threes.

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01:56:19,560 --> 01:56:19,840
Speaker 2: Got it?

2213
01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:23,800
Speaker 1: You know, But that it's it's analytics. But you know,

2214
01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:29,160
Speaker 1: on the court it actually makes sense like that, it's like, okay.

2215
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:32,520
Speaker 2: Analytics, well like like talking about.

2216
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:35,160
Speaker 1: Because it's been you know, I think analytics probably used

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01:56:35,200 --> 01:56:38,040
Speaker 1: more in baseball than a football. But you know the

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01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:41,000
Speaker 1: book I mentioned the buzzbitions you wrote about the Cardinals

2219
01:56:41,320 --> 01:56:43,760
Speaker 1: and he's talking about their pitching coach, Dave Duncan the

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01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:48,240
Speaker 1: notes he keeps, well, that's it. That's great analytics right there.

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01:56:48,920 --> 01:56:51,000
Speaker 1: You know, that's really you know, because you can actually

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01:56:51,080 --> 01:56:53,280
Speaker 1: get to give that to a baseball player and you

2223
01:56:53,400 --> 01:56:56,240
Speaker 1: can apply it and use it. And that's like but

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01:56:56,360 --> 01:56:59,320
Speaker 1: again it's like if it's if you know, there's nothing

2225
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:02,720
Speaker 1: is practical. Is a good theory. If the theory works,

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01:57:02,760 --> 01:57:05,840
Speaker 1: it's going to be practical. Do it. So David Roma

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01:57:05,880 --> 01:57:07,440
Speaker 1: wrote the book on why you should go for it

2228
01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:10,400
Speaker 1: on fourth and one, and this makes real sense. So

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01:57:10,640 --> 01:57:13,800
Speaker 1: there must have been ten times it came up for

2230
01:57:13,920 --> 01:57:16,120
Speaker 1: US fourth and goal in the one, But what do

2231
01:57:16,200 --> 01:57:18,960
Speaker 1: you want to do? Call your best play? And we

2232
01:57:19,080 --> 01:57:21,360
Speaker 1: got stopped up at one time we got stopped up

2233
01:57:21,400 --> 01:57:24,600
Speaker 1: at Buffalo. Okay, well, what's the National Football League? They're

2234
01:57:24,640 --> 01:57:28,320
Speaker 1: not all going to work, you know. But it's like,

2235
01:57:29,200 --> 01:57:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, we had this just absolutely killed me. We're

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01:57:31,560 --> 01:57:35,600
Speaker 1: playing the Ravens in twenty nineteen. We're going into game eight, no,

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01:57:36,440 --> 01:57:40,560
Speaker 1: and we get the ball. Okay, well, yeah, that's going

2238
01:57:40,600 --> 01:57:42,320
Speaker 1: to happen too, but you know, we get the ball

2239
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:44,280
Speaker 1: right towards you. It's fourth and goal in the one

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Speaker 1: the end of the half, and you know it, it's

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01:57:48,080 --> 01:57:51,000
Speaker 1: like Josh didn't have a play really good with If

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01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:52,800
Speaker 1: you don't have a play, you feel good. We'll kick

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01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:56,360
Speaker 1: the field goal. But but you know, I really that

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01:57:56,560 --> 01:57:58,960
Speaker 1: was like, you know, that killed me because I you know,

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01:57:59,120 --> 01:58:01,160
Speaker 1: I know I really want to go for it, but

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01:58:01,240 --> 01:58:03,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to go for it. If you know,

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01:58:03,240 --> 01:58:06,120
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator who's one of the best in the business,

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01:58:06,160 --> 01:58:08,760
Speaker 1: doesn't have a play he likes, I don't want to

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01:58:08,840 --> 01:58:10,440
Speaker 1: go run a play just to run a play.

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Speaker 2: That's what kills him. Two thousand nine regular season game

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Speaker 2: against the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know it was that was really from

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01:58:19,960 --> 01:58:23,200
Speaker 1: that game on, you know, we struggled, We struggled playing

2254
01:58:23,240 --> 01:58:24,280
Speaker 1: good teams the rest of.

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Speaker 2: The way, we ran out of gas, we started getting hurt.

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Speaker 1: Started getting hurt, and that was you know, it's like

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01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:30,880
Speaker 1: it's gone for the Patriots the last few years.

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01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:34,480
Speaker 2: It's just, yeah, that's how it goes.

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01:58:34,600 --> 01:58:37,120
Speaker 1: That's how it goes. I mean, in a competitive league

2260
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:40,400
Speaker 1: like the National Football League, nobody, you're not gonna win

2261
01:58:40,560 --> 01:58:42,680
Speaker 1: just because you show up. Hey, we're the Patriots. Look

2262
01:58:42,720 --> 01:58:46,600
Speaker 1: at our scrap buck. That doesn't happen. You actually gotta

2263
01:58:46,640 --> 01:58:47,280
Speaker 1: go out and do it.

2264
01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:49,880
Speaker 2: You gotta, you gotta earn it, Jackie, give us the

2265
01:58:49,960 --> 01:58:50,720
Speaker 2: game lead up.

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Speaker 5: So we mentioned the tuck rule game earlier. We also

2267
01:58:54,240 --> 01:58:57,080
Speaker 5: had the Steelers game Drew Bledsoe comes in and saves

2268
01:58:57,120 --> 01:58:58,400
Speaker 5: the day when Brady hurts his ankle.

2269
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Speaker 3: On the other side.

2270
01:58:59,480 --> 01:59:03,680
Speaker 5: In the NFS, the Rams turn over the Green Bay

2271
01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:07,520
Speaker 5: Packers eight times in the divisional round game. Then they

2272
01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:09,960
Speaker 5: go out and beat Andy Reid's Eagles to get there.

2273
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:13,960
Speaker 5: And then the big question leading up to this outside

2274
01:59:13,960 --> 01:59:16,920
Speaker 5: the building, of course, maybe inside the building too, was

2275
01:59:17,720 --> 01:59:21,320
Speaker 5: are we riding Bledsoe or we sticking with Brady? That

2276
01:59:21,440 --> 01:59:22,760
Speaker 5: was kind of the lead up talk.

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01:59:23,400 --> 01:59:26,480
Speaker 1: Okay, inside the building, it's Tom's gonna play if he's healthy.

2278
01:59:27,320 --> 01:59:30,800
Speaker 1: Tom got hurt and Drew did being a team guy,

2279
01:59:31,120 --> 01:59:33,160
Speaker 1: Drew came in, he threw the big touchdown pass it

2280
01:59:33,200 --> 01:59:35,040
Speaker 1: and we won the game. If Drew doesn't come in

2281
01:59:35,120 --> 01:59:37,960
Speaker 1: and play well against the Steelers, you know, Pittsburgh's going

2282
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:40,360
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. But you know, we said, hey,

2283
01:59:40,720 --> 01:59:44,640
Speaker 1: if if and if if Tom, it's so easy that

2284
01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:47,560
Speaker 1: injury could have been a little more serious. Tom might

2285
01:59:47,640 --> 01:59:50,000
Speaker 1: not have been able to play. You know, we're gonna

2286
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:52,280
Speaker 1: go play with Drew. But if if Tom, you know,

2287
01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:55,680
Speaker 1: if if Tom, if Tom's healthy to play, he's gonna play. Now.

2288
01:59:56,280 --> 01:59:58,160
Speaker 2: Part of the decision to come out of the team.

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01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:00,520
Speaker 1: As far as I know, that was that was more

2290
02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:03,280
Speaker 1: than anything else. That was the players in the tunnel.

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Speaker 3: That was so cool.

2292
02:00:04,360 --> 02:00:06,400
Speaker 1: And you know what, Okay, so you think about this.

2293
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:10,080
Speaker 1: You're the guy down there with a microphone doing the

2294
02:00:10,200 --> 02:00:13,720
Speaker 1: introductions and you got forty three football players dress say

2295
02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:16,720
Speaker 1: we're coming as a team. What are you gonna do?

2296
02:00:16,840 --> 02:00:21,120
Speaker 1: Try to stop them? You know, just get the get

2297
02:00:21,240 --> 02:00:25,840
Speaker 1: out of the way. Come. I mean, that's that's you know,

2298
02:00:26,480 --> 02:00:28,400
Speaker 1: as fires. I mean, I was in the press, you know,

2299
02:00:28,640 --> 02:00:31,840
Speaker 1: I was in the press pot. I mean, right, but

2300
02:00:32,640 --> 02:00:36,320
Speaker 1: that's you know that that was that was us very emblematic.

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Speaker 3: I love that moment.

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Speaker 5: One of my favorite none in the game moments from

2303
02:00:40,120 --> 02:00:42,440
Speaker 5: maybe any Patriots super Bowl are.

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02:00:42,680 --> 02:00:45,960
Speaker 1: Cool, right, uh? And coming up and then of course,

2305
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:48,360
Speaker 1: so we go to the introduction with the team and

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02:00:48,480 --> 02:00:52,440
Speaker 1: then one of my favorite moments, uh was the Rams.

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02:00:52,520 --> 02:00:55,240
Speaker 1: You know, they're doing their last tundle before they're going

2308
02:00:55,280 --> 02:00:58,560
Speaker 1: out to the opening kickoff and Ricky Prole comes right

2309
02:00:58,640 --> 02:01:03,640
Speaker 1: over the camera and goes, dynasty is born tonight. You

2310
02:01:03,720 --> 02:01:05,880
Speaker 1: know he just had the wrong team, but he he

2311
02:01:06,240 --> 02:01:07,280
Speaker 1: had the right spirit.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Oh my Goodnes.

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Speaker 5: Should we run through this this game and some of

2315
02:01:14,360 --> 02:01:17,160
Speaker 5: the big moments and paint the picture a little bit? Yeah,

2316
02:01:17,240 --> 02:01:20,520
Speaker 5: all right, So this is leading up to now. The

2317
02:01:20,680 --> 02:01:22,440
Speaker 5: Superdome had been a bit of a house of horrors

2318
02:01:22,760 --> 02:01:24,960
Speaker 5: for the Patriots. We lost two super Bowls there. The

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02:01:25,040 --> 02:01:29,120
Speaker 5: Green Bay went in the Chicago win, come out pretty

2320
02:01:29,120 --> 02:01:29,880
Speaker 5: low scoring.

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Speaker 1: First first quarter, okok I got jump in whenever jump Okay.

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02:01:35,040 --> 02:01:39,000
Speaker 1: So the big big key here to this game was

2323
02:01:39,320 --> 02:01:43,120
Speaker 1: the Rams win Natash. They get it to midfield and

2324
02:01:43,240 --> 02:01:45,240
Speaker 1: they punt and we take over the first time on

2325
02:01:45,320 --> 02:01:48,640
Speaker 1: our own five, and it's you know, if.

2326
02:01:48,600 --> 02:01:49,400
Speaker 2: Backed up situation.

2327
02:01:49,480 --> 02:01:52,320
Speaker 1: Backed up situation where if we if we have to

2328
02:01:52,400 --> 02:01:54,400
Speaker 1: go three and out, we're going to give it to

2329
02:01:54,480 --> 02:01:57,280
Speaker 1: them at midfield and that's not going to be good.

2330
02:01:57,640 --> 02:02:00,480
Speaker 1: So we took the ball and we we got first

2331
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:03,640
Speaker 1: play of the game seventy four shout Tosser hit Troy

2332
02:02:03,720 --> 02:02:06,040
Speaker 1: Brown on a slant which we wanted to do against

2333
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:09,040
Speaker 1: Tampa two, and we get the ball to the midfield

2334
02:02:09,120 --> 02:02:11,000
Speaker 1: and we punt it back to them, so they got

2335
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:13,520
Speaker 1: it on the five. So, I mean that was really

2336
02:02:13,640 --> 02:02:16,080
Speaker 1: a key to kind of getting the getting the game

2337
02:02:16,160 --> 02:02:19,520
Speaker 1: going the way we wanted. I mean, this was truly

2338
02:02:19,600 --> 02:02:22,480
Speaker 1: a game where if you get down fourteen to nothing,

2339
02:02:22,560 --> 02:02:24,400
Speaker 1: you're you're in you're in deep trouble.

2340
02:02:24,680 --> 02:02:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know we've the explosion of their team, Right,

2341
02:02:28,640 --> 02:02:30,880
Speaker 2: that's the one. That's the first goal you have when

2342
02:02:30,920 --> 02:02:34,040
Speaker 2: you're in backed up situation. Get a first down. One

2343
02:02:34,160 --> 02:02:36,560
Speaker 2: first down so the punter can punt.

2344
02:02:36,720 --> 02:02:40,080
Speaker 1: The punter can punt, and you have a you get

2345
02:02:40,200 --> 02:02:43,480
Speaker 1: some degree of field position, you know. I mean, if

2346
02:02:43,560 --> 02:02:45,520
Speaker 1: if you go three and out when you're backed up,

2347
02:02:46,160 --> 02:02:48,400
Speaker 1: you're probably giving up at least a field goal.

2348
02:02:48,680 --> 02:02:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. What other what other keys to the first half

2349
02:02:52,160 --> 02:02:52,720
Speaker 2: that stick up.

2350
02:02:52,840 --> 02:02:54,720
Speaker 1: Well that was of course, you know, so we're going

2351
02:02:54,840 --> 02:02:58,640
Speaker 1: kind of back and forth and then you know, we

2352
02:02:59,120 --> 02:03:02,200
Speaker 1: come with we do we stem down into a diamond front.

2353
02:03:02,240 --> 02:03:05,200
Speaker 1: We got some pressure on Warner. He throws one up

2354
02:03:05,240 --> 02:03:08,680
Speaker 1: the tie and I think Tye will tell you, uh

2355
02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:11,320
Speaker 1: probly the easiest interception of his life. I mean he

2356
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:14,760
Speaker 1: caught it, which is always number one. He caught it

2357
02:03:14,840 --> 02:03:16,960
Speaker 1: and he ran it back for a touchdown. But it

2358
02:03:17,120 --> 02:03:19,400
Speaker 1: was you know, the pressure that we got we got

2359
02:03:19,440 --> 02:03:20,840
Speaker 1: on Warner that you know that made.

2360
02:03:20,720 --> 02:03:23,080
Speaker 2: The old diamond front five down. Yep.

2361
02:03:23,440 --> 02:03:25,760
Speaker 3: Rabel coming off the edge on Rod Jones miss block,

2362
02:03:25,800 --> 02:03:27,120
Speaker 3: that was that was awesome.

2363
02:03:27,320 --> 02:03:30,080
Speaker 1: Ye, but we moved the front light. They didn't quite

2364
02:03:30,120 --> 02:03:33,880
Speaker 1: adjust to it, and that's you know, that's that's what happened.

2365
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:38,840
Speaker 2: Now going in and playing different looks with the shell

2366
02:03:38,920 --> 02:03:43,040
Speaker 2: of the defense, which they were probably banking on having

2367
02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:46,520
Speaker 2: the you know, post safety, is that what helped with

2368
02:03:46,640 --> 02:03:50,240
Speaker 2: the pressure that we were able to get throughout the

2369
02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:53,840
Speaker 2: first half. Yeah, we guys were hitting Warner a lot.

2370
02:03:54,200 --> 02:03:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got I mean, we you know, we want

2371
02:03:56,240 --> 02:03:58,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, was that just one on one battles? Well,

2372
02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:01,840
Speaker 1: any scheme to that The first thing is because we

2373
02:04:02,040 --> 02:04:03,920
Speaker 1: wanted to be we said we wanted to play this

2374
02:04:04,040 --> 02:04:08,839
Speaker 1: as a passing team. So where we were very always

2375
02:04:08,920 --> 02:04:11,720
Speaker 1: conscious of stopping the run first, this was, hey, we

2376
02:04:11,800 --> 02:04:14,240
Speaker 1: want to come off rush in the passer. We want

2377
02:04:14,280 --> 02:04:17,040
Speaker 1: our best pass rushers, our best cover guys. You know,

2378
02:04:17,080 --> 02:04:20,000
Speaker 1: we're playing every down like it's third down. And that

2379
02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:22,840
Speaker 1: was a that was a little that was a little

2380
02:04:22,880 --> 02:04:25,880
Speaker 1: different for us, and it made a big difference.

2381
02:04:25,720 --> 02:04:27,640
Speaker 5: Because that in that week didn't match up. If I'm

2382
02:04:27,680 --> 02:04:30,879
Speaker 5: not mistaken, the Patriots blitz something like forty.

2383
02:04:30,680 --> 02:04:32,960
Speaker 1: Three times, yes, and they did a good job picking

2384
02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:36,000
Speaker 1: us up. So that was you know, if you do

2385
02:04:36,120 --> 02:04:39,720
Speaker 1: something forty three times and it doesn't really work, well, okay,

2386
02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:42,800
Speaker 1: probably you know, don't want to do exactly that again,

2387
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:45,720
Speaker 1: and that's what it makes Maybe that's that's the analysis,

2388
02:04:45,760 --> 02:04:49,440
Speaker 1: and that's why I said, haven't played that team in December.

2389
02:04:49,840 --> 02:04:52,880
Speaker 1: Really made a difference. We had we okay, here's a

2390
02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:54,680
Speaker 1: list of the stuff we don't want to do. It

2391
02:04:54,760 --> 02:04:57,400
Speaker 1: didn't really work against them, so let's not you know,

2392
02:04:57,920 --> 02:04:59,480
Speaker 1: let's not go to do this again.

2393
02:05:00,320 --> 02:05:02,480
Speaker 2: Patton scores with thirty one seconds.

2394
02:05:02,240 --> 02:05:05,040
Speaker 1: And that was another big that was Antoine Harris forced

2395
02:05:05,080 --> 02:05:07,640
Speaker 1: to fumble, you know, so we we get down to

2396
02:05:07,760 --> 02:05:11,480
Speaker 1: the down to their six yard line right before halftime.

2397
02:05:12,600 --> 02:05:15,480
Speaker 1: Now this was I will say this was some real

2398
02:05:15,640 --> 02:05:19,680
Speaker 1: big time coaching because we knew studying them down the

2399
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:25,480
Speaker 1: red area their defensive backs squatted hard on the goal line. Okay,

2400
02:05:25,600 --> 02:05:28,720
Speaker 1: that was like I'm you know, I'm I'm so we

2401
02:05:28,920 --> 02:05:31,600
Speaker 1: ran from the six yard line. We were in a

2402
02:05:31,720 --> 02:05:34,120
Speaker 1: quick out k up. I mean, how many out and

2403
02:05:34,240 --> 02:05:36,880
Speaker 1: ups she there? Very few, But we say, you know what,

2404
02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:40,160
Speaker 1: this should be the play to run and did a

2405
02:05:40,200 --> 02:05:44,880
Speaker 1: great job. Tom through it just right and and with

2406
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:46,720
Speaker 1: no room you know, I mean they had to stop

2407
02:05:46,760 --> 02:05:48,640
Speaker 1: and replay it to make sure he get you know,

2408
02:05:49,680 --> 02:05:50,480
Speaker 1: he got his feet in.

2409
02:05:50,800 --> 02:05:53,800
Speaker 2: I remember we brought in Patton. Remember what year was that,

2410
02:05:53,960 --> 02:05:55,840
Speaker 2: twenty eleven, We brought him back for two thousand and

2411
02:05:55,880 --> 02:05:58,960
Speaker 2: nine somewhere there. Yeah, I was there and he used

2412
02:05:59,000 --> 02:06:01,160
Speaker 2: to run that little out enough when he was there.

2413
02:06:01,720 --> 02:06:04,680
Speaker 1: Well, well, this was this was really the first time

2414
02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:05,600
Speaker 1: we ever did that.

2415
02:06:07,600 --> 02:06:09,360
Speaker 2: Did that front pylon and then get go, you.

2416
02:06:09,480 --> 02:06:11,360
Speaker 1: Get going and get you know, you got to get

2417
02:06:11,400 --> 02:06:13,320
Speaker 1: the but you got to get the ball in the air.

2418
02:06:13,400 --> 02:06:15,960
Speaker 2: Quick quick timing. So we spot throw.

2419
02:06:16,280 --> 02:06:19,960
Speaker 1: So we were you know, we're head fourteen three at halftime.

2420
02:06:19,680 --> 02:06:21,800
Speaker 5: Trik advantage of those turnovers in the first half. Yeah,

2421
02:06:21,960 --> 02:06:22,920
Speaker 5: fourteen three at the half.

2422
02:06:23,040 --> 02:06:25,280
Speaker 2: What's going on at halftime? Now, what are you guys

2423
02:06:25,400 --> 02:06:28,120
Speaker 2: preparing for? Are you guys going into this because you're

2424
02:06:28,160 --> 02:06:30,440
Speaker 2: not making adjustments, you're basically coming up with a plan

2425
02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:34,800
Speaker 2: on how to either A hold them off b continue

2426
02:06:34,840 --> 02:06:37,200
Speaker 2: to score. Like, what's going on? How did you guys

2427
02:06:37,240 --> 02:06:37,960
Speaker 2: approach half?

2428
02:06:38,360 --> 02:06:41,200
Speaker 1: You know, really this was kind of a keep it uh,

2429
02:06:43,040 --> 02:06:46,040
Speaker 1: you know this with this game is going the way

2430
02:06:46,080 --> 02:06:49,000
Speaker 1: we want. I mean our offense in two thousand and

2431
02:06:49,080 --> 02:06:52,200
Speaker 1: one with smoke mirrors and a lot of Troy Brown. Yeah,

2432
02:06:52,320 --> 02:06:54,600
Speaker 1: I mean we were. We were not an offense. You know.

2433
02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:58,040
Speaker 1: We we got the most out of what we had,

2434
02:06:59,040 --> 02:07:01,800
Speaker 1: but we we I mean we were not. We were

2435
02:07:01,880 --> 02:07:04,280
Speaker 1: not the high powered offense we were when we got

2436
02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:07,480
Speaker 1: Wes Welcome, Randy Boss. I mean, we were. Don't turn

2437
02:07:07,560 --> 02:07:11,920
Speaker 1: the ball over, run the ball, you play the game

2438
02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:12,720
Speaker 1: at our tempo.

2439
02:07:13,480 --> 02:07:15,240
Speaker 2: Was that a bullshit call on Willie?

2440
02:07:16,240 --> 02:07:23,520
Speaker 1: No? Unfortunate unfortunately not because because he went in he

2441
02:07:24,040 --> 02:07:29,160
Speaker 1: held Marshall Fox and you can't hold behind the line

2442
02:07:29,200 --> 02:07:32,960
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. And that is why for twenty years after that,

2443
02:07:33,240 --> 02:07:36,480
Speaker 1: every young defensive linement we had, I went over and

2444
02:07:36,560 --> 02:07:39,480
Speaker 1: had all the conversation with a book. When you're playing

2445
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:43,600
Speaker 1: a screen, you can knock the back down because there's

2446
02:07:43,680 --> 02:07:46,560
Speaker 1: no pass interference behind the line of scrimmage. You can

2447
02:07:46,640 --> 02:07:50,120
Speaker 1: do whatever you want, but you can't hold. And let

2448
02:07:50,200 --> 02:07:52,360
Speaker 1: me tell you about this Super Bowl we were in

2449
02:07:52,920 --> 02:07:54,800
Speaker 1: where we were about ready to go up twenty four

2450
02:07:54,880 --> 02:07:58,200
Speaker 1: to three, and we got called for holding. That's why

2451
02:07:58,280 --> 02:08:01,680
Speaker 1: I'm having this conversation with because it's so natural for

2452
02:08:01,800 --> 02:08:03,880
Speaker 1: those guys. They want to go there's the back, you

2453
02:08:03,920 --> 02:08:06,760
Speaker 1: know last yoh, no, just knock him on his ass.

2454
02:08:07,320 --> 02:08:10,040
Speaker 2: And that's what Ernie. Everyone know, what does Ernie do?

2455
02:08:10,680 --> 02:08:13,440
Speaker 2: That's what Ernie did. He would literally he was your

2456
02:08:13,520 --> 02:08:17,760
Speaker 2: reminder for any kind of situation of anything that could

2457
02:08:17,800 --> 02:08:19,120
Speaker 2: ever come up in football.

2458
02:08:19,160 --> 02:08:22,280
Speaker 1: And of course I and you know, listen, this did

2459
02:08:22,440 --> 02:08:25,200
Speaker 1: make the difference between us being ahead twenty four to

2460
02:08:25,280 --> 02:08:28,200
Speaker 1: three in the Super Bowl and us being I had

2461
02:08:28,360 --> 02:08:31,120
Speaker 1: seventeen to ten in a dog fight. The fact that

2462
02:08:31,280 --> 02:08:34,600
Speaker 1: we held and didn't knock the guy down. That's why I'm.

2463
02:08:34,480 --> 02:08:37,160
Speaker 2: Telling you that a Warner square after that we were

2464
02:08:37,440 --> 02:08:37,800
Speaker 2: on one of.

2465
02:08:37,800 --> 02:08:43,040
Speaker 1: The most amazing quarterback sneaks because he goes up, the

2466
02:08:43,200 --> 02:08:46,400
Speaker 1: left guard pulls left, the right guard polls right. Our

2467
02:08:46,480 --> 02:08:49,480
Speaker 1: tackles stepped out, and it's just we're taking into the

2468
02:08:49,560 --> 02:08:53,600
Speaker 1: easiest to down in that double play, the old the doubles,

2469
02:08:53,840 --> 02:08:57,000
Speaker 1: the double sucker quarterback sneak. And of course what was

2470
02:08:57,080 --> 02:09:01,160
Speaker 1: interesting was Bill was on some point this year was

2471
02:09:01,200 --> 02:09:04,200
Speaker 1: on with Kurt Warner and court Warner was blown away.

2472
02:09:04,280 --> 02:09:07,520
Speaker 1: The Bill remembered the quarterbacks. Who's going to forget a

2473
02:09:07,640 --> 02:09:14,080
Speaker 1: double sucker? Quarterbacks in the Super Bowl touchdown?

2474
02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:17,000
Speaker 2: Now, when did you know that the defense was starting

2475
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:17,720
Speaker 2: to get worn down?

2476
02:09:18,040 --> 02:09:21,200
Speaker 1: Right about there? They started hitting us with some ram passes,

2477
02:09:23,920 --> 02:09:29,080
Speaker 1: steam routes. You know, the Super Bowl and it's a

2478
02:09:29,160 --> 02:09:31,400
Speaker 1: four hour game. You know, your gear to play, I mean,

2479
02:09:31,480 --> 02:09:35,440
Speaker 1: and it's it's inside, it's hot. They got you know,

2480
02:09:35,480 --> 02:09:38,320
Speaker 1: they're firing off your fire fireworks.

2481
02:09:37,760 --> 02:09:42,800
Speaker 2: And all that halftime show. You there, and you know

2482
02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:44,120
Speaker 2: you two of this game.

2483
02:09:44,240 --> 02:09:48,600
Speaker 1: You YouTube right with a you know the halftime they

2484
02:09:48,720 --> 02:09:51,080
Speaker 1: ran all the names of all the people who were

2485
02:09:51,160 --> 02:09:54,280
Speaker 1: killed on nine to eleven. I mean, you know it

2486
02:09:54,400 --> 02:09:56,600
Speaker 1: was a big you know, it was a big deal

2487
02:09:56,760 --> 02:10:00,600
Speaker 1: and you're talking about being hot. New Orleans is different

2488
02:10:00,920 --> 02:10:04,480
Speaker 1: set up for the locker room because both the visiting,

2489
02:10:04,680 --> 02:10:07,720
Speaker 1: both teams have to walk the length of the field

2490
02:10:07,800 --> 02:10:10,520
Speaker 1: to get to the buses. It's most teams, you know,

2491
02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:13,320
Speaker 1: they'll have the buses basically parked outside close by to

2492
02:10:13,360 --> 02:10:15,520
Speaker 1: your lock them. Now this one you have to walk

2493
02:10:15,560 --> 02:10:18,920
Speaker 1: across the field. So walking out after the game we

2494
02:10:19,000 --> 02:10:20,920
Speaker 1: had beat the Rams, I was behind a couple of

2495
02:10:21,000 --> 02:10:23,960
Speaker 1: their offensive linemen. If they're talking, I mean, I can't

2496
02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:26,560
Speaker 1: throw my ears off, and when I'm saying, God, I

2497
02:10:26,640 --> 02:10:30,200
Speaker 1: couldn't breathe out there, or so hot, you know, So

2498
02:10:30,400 --> 02:10:33,120
Speaker 1: it was you know, I mean it was both. You know,

2499
02:10:33,800 --> 02:10:36,880
Speaker 1: there's both teams or or second win there.

2500
02:10:37,200 --> 02:10:42,320
Speaker 2: So they started driving. Ricky prol scores a touchdown, there's

2501
02:10:42,320 --> 02:10:46,360
Speaker 2: a buck thirty left. Yeah, different generation, different different era

2502
02:10:46,480 --> 02:10:50,640
Speaker 2: of football nowadays, that's the light Years at this time,

2503
02:10:50,840 --> 02:10:51,600
Speaker 2: zero time outs.

2504
02:10:52,240 --> 02:10:55,040
Speaker 1: Uh, they had none, which was really important.

2505
02:10:55,840 --> 02:10:58,240
Speaker 2: I think we he explaining the situation we're getting into.

2506
02:10:58,280 --> 02:10:59,200
Speaker 3: I don't believe we had any.

2507
02:10:59,400 --> 02:11:04,560
Speaker 1: So it's time seventeen seventeen. And of course, unbeknownst to me,

2508
02:11:05,480 --> 02:11:08,680
Speaker 1: because we have a we have a TV monitor where

2509
02:11:08,680 --> 02:11:10,920
Speaker 1: we can look at if we want to challenge a play,

2510
02:11:11,160 --> 02:11:14,800
Speaker 1: but there's no sound. John Madden's on saying, yeah, they

2511
02:11:14,840 --> 02:11:18,600
Speaker 1: should just go to overtime, and to me that, you know,

2512
02:11:19,200 --> 02:11:21,560
Speaker 1: I watched the replay of the TV the next week

2513
02:11:21,600 --> 02:11:23,800
Speaker 1: when I get home. It was like John that what

2514
02:11:23,960 --> 02:11:26,960
Speaker 1: I'm really hearing is now the Patriots had their fun.

2515
02:11:27,040 --> 02:11:30,520
Speaker 1: They should just go lose gracefully to the Rams. And

2516
02:11:31,000 --> 02:11:34,720
Speaker 1: and of course I'm gonna I'm gonna fast forward, jump ahead,

2517
02:11:35,600 --> 02:11:38,560
Speaker 1: we get back, we we we take you know, I

2518
02:11:38,720 --> 02:11:40,320
Speaker 1: say to Bill, Bill, if we have to go on

2519
02:11:40,480 --> 02:11:43,840
Speaker 1: defense again, we're gonna lose. Okay, we need to go

2520
02:11:44,040 --> 02:11:46,920
Speaker 1: get Adam a shot to win it for us and regulation.

2521
02:11:47,520 --> 02:11:51,160
Speaker 1: And the key to this situation is they have no timeouts.

2522
02:11:51,600 --> 02:11:53,800
Speaker 1: So if we get a big sack or a fifteen

2523
02:11:53,880 --> 02:11:56,720
Speaker 1: yard penalty, we can take the clock to zero and

2524
02:11:56,840 --> 02:11:59,760
Speaker 1: go to overtime. But we really need to get Adam

2525
02:11:59,760 --> 02:12:01,760
Speaker 1: ash shot the win a force, which of course is

2526
02:12:01,800 --> 02:12:04,960
Speaker 1: what happens. So then we come back to Boston and

2527
02:12:05,080 --> 02:12:07,160
Speaker 1: the whole town is, oh my god, you know, we

2528
02:12:07,240 --> 02:12:09,760
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl. We get the the big parade,

2529
02:12:10,280 --> 02:12:13,320
Speaker 1: and there's one guy had you know, when you're up

2530
02:12:13,360 --> 02:12:15,600
Speaker 1: on the duckboat. You get to see all the fans

2531
02:12:15,640 --> 02:12:19,200
Speaker 1: and the signs. So one guy hells up my favorite sign.

2532
02:12:19,960 --> 02:12:24,200
Speaker 1: It says, I'm glad John Madden is not our coach.

2533
02:12:27,080 --> 02:12:30,520
Speaker 1: That made the whole, that made that was that made

2534
02:12:30,560 --> 02:12:31,840
Speaker 1: the parade from me.

2535
02:12:32,880 --> 02:12:35,600
Speaker 2: So man, we can confirm you made the decision.

2536
02:12:35,800 --> 02:12:39,880
Speaker 1: Well, no, I I told Bill Bill, Bill said what

2537
02:12:39,920 --> 02:12:40,440
Speaker 1: do you want to do?

2538
02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:41,520
Speaker 3: And we talk.

2539
02:12:41,920 --> 02:12:43,800
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, it was the only right decision

2540
02:12:43,800 --> 02:12:47,720
Speaker 1: to make. It's Bill made the decision. He asked, hey,

2541
02:12:47,800 --> 02:12:49,600
Speaker 1: Bill asked me for my best advice.

2542
02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:52,240
Speaker 2: Bill made the decision and I put the numbers in

2543
02:12:52,280 --> 02:12:53,600
Speaker 2: the calculator and gave me the answer.

2544
02:12:54,320 --> 02:12:56,920
Speaker 1: Yes. But you know it's again, it's you're you're in

2545
02:12:57,040 --> 02:13:01,280
Speaker 1: a game and you know you the stuff is moving fast,

2546
02:13:01,400 --> 02:13:04,480
Speaker 1: and you know you gotta you know, you're flying. You

2547
02:13:04,600 --> 02:13:06,520
Speaker 1: are flying by the seat of your pants a little bit.

2548
02:13:06,920 --> 02:13:08,360
Speaker 1: You go with what you think is best.

2549
02:13:08,800 --> 02:13:10,800
Speaker 5: That on that final drive, shout out to j R.

2550
02:13:10,880 --> 02:13:14,240
Speaker 5: Redmand those checkdowns and then the middle of the field

2551
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:15,440
Speaker 5: just wide open for Troy.

2552
02:13:15,560 --> 02:13:17,520
Speaker 1: For Troy, yep, And that was a big, you know,

2553
02:13:18,120 --> 02:13:19,920
Speaker 1: one big, you know, big pass to Troy.

2554
02:13:20,760 --> 02:13:23,080
Speaker 2: What the what are the what are the there's like

2555
02:13:23,200 --> 02:13:25,320
Speaker 2: three rules in the two minute drive that you have

2556
02:13:25,520 --> 02:13:28,200
Speaker 2: to do. Am I wrong. You need to get it started.

2557
02:13:29,440 --> 02:13:30,520
Speaker 2: Need a chunk play.

2558
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:31,680
Speaker 1: Chunk in there somewhere.

2559
02:13:32,040 --> 02:13:34,720
Speaker 2: I think those are the two get it started, chunk play.

2560
02:13:34,920 --> 02:13:37,000
Speaker 1: Chunk playing. And then you know, everybody, I mean, you've

2561
02:13:37,560 --> 02:13:40,480
Speaker 1: you've got you know, you've got to play smart. Uh

2562
02:13:40,920 --> 02:13:43,240
Speaker 1: you know, I mean if the clock's running, offensive penalty

2563
02:13:43,320 --> 02:13:45,800
Speaker 1: is gonna be automatic ten second runoff. I mean you

2564
02:13:46,200 --> 02:13:48,720
Speaker 1: you have got to play two minutes. The number one

2565
02:13:48,800 --> 02:13:51,280
Speaker 1: thing is two minutes situation. You got to play your

2566
02:13:51,320 --> 02:13:54,640
Speaker 1: best football, and it's gonna be when you're tired. Uh.

2567
02:13:54,720 --> 02:13:58,600
Speaker 1: And there's all all the practice reps. Uh, you know,

2568
02:13:58,720 --> 02:14:01,000
Speaker 1: the whole thing. And I know here's a big deal

2569
02:14:01,080 --> 02:14:04,040
Speaker 1: on the Dynasty. You know about Bill being so hard

2570
02:14:04,160 --> 02:14:07,840
Speaker 1: on players, Well, it was just so when we got

2571
02:14:07,960 --> 02:14:11,560
Speaker 1: down to absolute crunch time, when there's a championship on

2572
02:14:11,720 --> 02:14:14,720
Speaker 1: the line, we're gonna do the right thing. We are

2573
02:14:14,840 --> 02:14:18,200
Speaker 1: not gonna flinch, We're not gonna crack. And that's that's

2574
02:14:18,320 --> 02:14:21,720
Speaker 1: the whole idea. You know, we're gonna we're gonna put

2575
02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:23,920
Speaker 1: our team in when the game's on the when the

2576
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:26,840
Speaker 1: big games on the line, we're gonna get it down.

2577
02:14:26,920 --> 02:14:29,680
Speaker 1: And I always said about our teams at the Patriots,

2578
02:14:30,120 --> 02:14:33,440
Speaker 1: the bigger the game, the tougher the situation, the better

2579
02:14:33,520 --> 02:14:37,920
Speaker 1: we played. And that was you know, and it's it's Bill,

2580
02:14:38,160 --> 02:14:41,360
Speaker 1: it's Tom jumping on receivers about not running the route

2581
02:14:41,440 --> 02:14:45,400
Speaker 1: exactly route exactly the right we had played and that

2582
02:14:45,640 --> 02:14:50,680
Speaker 1: last and you know, those drives against the Falcons, we

2583
02:14:50,840 --> 02:14:54,000
Speaker 1: actually ran some plays that we hadn't practiced in three

2584
02:14:54,080 --> 02:14:57,240
Speaker 1: years because Josh knew it was the right play when

2585
02:14:57,280 --> 02:14:59,040
Speaker 1: the veterans were in the game. Who you know, we

2586
02:14:59,080 --> 02:15:01,520
Speaker 1: would never do that with a rookie, but Josh had

2587
02:15:01,600 --> 02:15:03,640
Speaker 1: no When I got the veterans in the game, I

2588
02:15:03,720 --> 02:15:05,800
Speaker 1: can do some stuff. We have a practice, but it's

2589
02:15:05,840 --> 02:15:08,240
Speaker 1: what we need to do and all that, all that

2590
02:15:08,400 --> 02:15:12,080
Speaker 1: hard work and practice, you know, being exactly right. You know,

2591
02:15:12,560 --> 02:15:14,320
Speaker 1: that's why you do it so it'll pay off when

2592
02:15:14,440 --> 02:15:17,200
Speaker 1: when it's crunch time now. And yeah, and it's also

2593
02:15:17,480 --> 02:15:19,800
Speaker 1: you know my comment in the Dynasty and what I

2594
02:15:19,920 --> 02:15:23,120
Speaker 1: meant was, you know, the pain is temporary, the championship

2595
02:15:23,280 --> 02:15:27,400
Speaker 1: is forever. Yeah, you know, hey, stuff, you're going to

2596
02:15:27,440 --> 02:15:29,840
Speaker 1: get hurt. You know, it's like you've got a concussion

2597
02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:34,000
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl against you know, it's the yeah yeah,

2598
02:15:34,040 --> 02:15:37,120
Speaker 1: and it's look, it's talk about her. Yeah. Well look

2599
02:15:37,280 --> 02:15:39,920
Speaker 1: it's not like this is. If it's a practice in August,

2600
02:15:39,960 --> 02:15:41,440
Speaker 1: you're going to go off the field and see that,

2601
02:15:41,600 --> 02:15:43,320
Speaker 1: you know, but this is you know, it's fourth quarter

2602
02:15:43,320 --> 02:15:47,040
Speaker 1: of the Super Bowl. You know you dream for this,

2603
02:15:47,200 --> 02:15:48,200
Speaker 1: You dream for this. You know.

2604
02:15:48,240 --> 02:15:50,440
Speaker 2: I always tell everyone this about you know this hold

2605
02:15:50,520 --> 02:15:56,680
Speaker 2: this whole dynasty thing. If you're in your thirties, you've

2606
02:15:56,840 --> 02:16:01,080
Speaker 2: never liked your football coach. You've loved him, but you

2607
02:16:01,320 --> 02:16:04,200
Speaker 2: never liked your football coach. Who fuck likes the guys

2608
02:16:04,400 --> 02:16:07,320
Speaker 2: making run old daye? Who's gonna make Whoever liked their

2609
02:16:07,440 --> 02:16:09,760
Speaker 2: parents for yelling at him when you did something wrong?

2610
02:16:10,000 --> 02:16:13,200
Speaker 2: Who likes it? Who liked when your parents came to

2611
02:16:13,240 --> 02:16:16,400
Speaker 2: you with cough medicine? I almost threw up every time.

2612
02:16:16,960 --> 02:16:18,920
Speaker 2: I hated it, But it was the best thing for me,

2613
02:16:19,280 --> 02:16:20,960
Speaker 2: is what I needed. I needed the cough sture up

2614
02:16:21,040 --> 02:16:21,720
Speaker 2: so I could sleep.

2615
02:16:22,400 --> 02:16:24,320
Speaker 1: And you know, and I told you that one of

2616
02:16:24,400 --> 02:16:27,040
Speaker 1: my one of my best friends was you know, Jim

2617
02:16:27,120 --> 02:16:30,880
Speaker 1: Ringo off off to Flying Chris Patriots nineteen seventy eight,

2618
02:16:31,440 --> 02:16:33,320
Speaker 1: and I got him every like every day, I would

2619
02:16:33,320 --> 02:16:35,200
Speaker 1: get him to tell me a Packer story. I've heard

2620
02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:38,600
Speaker 1: some good ones. But why do they come in? And

2621
02:16:38,720 --> 02:16:41,560
Speaker 1: it's they're playing the Vikings and they're not playing particularly

2622
02:16:41,640 --> 02:16:44,280
Speaker 1: well and the team, you know, you come in at

2623
02:16:44,320 --> 02:16:46,400
Speaker 1: halftime and everybody first thing you want to do is

2624
02:16:46,760 --> 02:16:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, you need to get some tapes. You got

2625
02:16:48,640 --> 02:16:51,800
Speaker 1: a drink of water. Go, And Lombardi comes in and

2626
02:16:51,920 --> 02:16:54,720
Speaker 1: he's going up against the wall and the tone oh whoa,

2627
02:16:55,560 --> 02:16:58,960
Speaker 1: and somebody said get a doctor, get the trader, and

2628
02:16:59,160 --> 02:17:02,200
Speaker 1: Fuzzy Thirst and the left guard and all those Packer

2629
02:17:02,320 --> 02:17:15,640
Speaker 1: teams left the motherfucker die. Yeah, So that's yeah, And

2630
02:17:15,840 --> 02:17:19,840
Speaker 1: when that's where it goes, Oh, you know and these

2631
02:17:19,920 --> 02:17:22,320
Speaker 1: are all players who would you know they named their

2632
02:17:22,400 --> 02:17:26,520
Speaker 1: children after coach Lombardi. You know, they were the pall

2633
02:17:26,600 --> 02:17:29,000
Speaker 1: bearers at his funeral. But you know, when you're in

2634
02:17:29,080 --> 02:17:30,760
Speaker 1: the heat of it and the guys, this is the

2635
02:17:30,800 --> 02:17:33,160
Speaker 1: guy who makes you eighty up downs and he's you know,

2636
02:17:33,760 --> 02:17:34,000
Speaker 1: you know.

2637
02:17:34,440 --> 02:17:37,360
Speaker 2: That's how it goes. Yeah, So take us through that

2638
02:17:37,480 --> 02:17:37,960
Speaker 2: last drive.

2639
02:17:38,360 --> 02:17:41,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So we get so we decide we're going to

2640
02:17:41,080 --> 02:17:43,840
Speaker 1: try to go get a field goal. I mean it's indoors.

2641
02:17:44,920 --> 02:17:47,320
Speaker 1: You know, Adam and I got courses. How you know,

2642
02:17:47,680 --> 02:17:50,160
Speaker 1: they conveniently I can see it they put on I

2643
02:17:50,240 --> 02:17:53,440
Speaker 1: have the monitor, so they pleasure Adam Van Terry is

2644
02:17:53,560 --> 02:17:57,080
Speaker 1: like forty seven or forty seven inside, you know something.

2645
02:17:57,640 --> 02:17:59,120
Speaker 1: It's like kicker, kicker.

2646
02:18:00,160 --> 02:18:00,200
Speaker 2: No.

2647
02:18:00,400 --> 02:18:02,920
Speaker 1: What it's saying to me is we're out of our

2648
02:18:03,000 --> 02:18:05,120
Speaker 1: minds if we don't let this guy go get a

2649
02:18:05,200 --> 02:18:07,440
Speaker 1: chance to win it for us. I don't want to

2650
02:18:07,480 --> 02:18:10,600
Speaker 1: go on defense again. So we hit a couple of

2651
02:18:10,640 --> 02:18:13,640
Speaker 1: screens to j R. Charlie calls a great game. We

2652
02:18:13,760 --> 02:18:16,280
Speaker 1: hit the one pass over the over the middle of Troy,

2653
02:18:17,000 --> 02:18:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, pick up the last six. You know, we're

2654
02:18:18,640 --> 02:18:21,160
Speaker 1: going to throw it to a little return route to

2655
02:18:21,560 --> 02:18:23,680
Speaker 1: to WIGGI uh, you know, and try to you know,

2656
02:18:24,680 --> 02:18:26,480
Speaker 1: you know, and then we're gonna spike it, you know,

2657
02:18:26,480 --> 02:18:28,960
Speaker 1: And it worked out just you know, seven seconds left,

2658
02:18:29,200 --> 02:18:31,640
Speaker 1: we were gonna shot for a field goal and they're

2659
02:18:31,720 --> 02:18:34,560
Speaker 1: not going to get the ball again. So that that

2660
02:18:34,840 --> 02:18:37,320
Speaker 1: was you know, that that's just that when when we

2661
02:18:37,480 --> 02:18:40,160
Speaker 1: put the field goal team out there, Okay, hey, this

2662
02:18:40,360 --> 02:18:41,080
Speaker 1: is what we wanted.

2663
02:18:41,360 --> 02:18:45,080
Speaker 2: Now he kicks the ball, you're watching it. You finally

2664
02:18:45,160 --> 02:18:47,000
Speaker 2: see it go through the uprights. What's the first thing

2665
02:18:47,080 --> 02:18:47,920
Speaker 2: that comes to your mind?

2666
02:18:48,320 --> 02:18:49,200
Speaker 1: Holy ship?

2667
02:18:49,320 --> 02:18:50,039
Speaker 4: We want.

2668
02:18:53,800 --> 02:18:57,480
Speaker 1: And Scott Pioli, I mean, Scott Pioli said, our box.

2669
02:18:57,600 --> 02:19:00,600
Speaker 1: He's jumping on top of me, you know. But you

2670
02:19:00,640 --> 02:19:03,240
Speaker 1: know we actually did this, and you know, it's like

2671
02:19:03,360 --> 02:19:07,040
Speaker 1: Bobby Hamilton said after the game, you know, one of

2672
02:19:07,120 --> 02:19:11,840
Speaker 1: my absolute favorite players on the Patriots, Bobby Hamilton, blue

2673
02:19:11,959 --> 02:19:15,800
Speaker 1: collar defensive lineman, and we shocked the world and we

2674
02:19:15,920 --> 02:19:18,080
Speaker 1: did so I'm gonna tell you, I gotta tell you

2675
02:19:18,160 --> 02:19:20,320
Speaker 1: my favorite Bobby Hamilton's story because he's one of my

2676
02:19:20,440 --> 02:19:24,440
Speaker 1: favorite Patriots. That first year in two thousand, we're going

2677
02:19:24,480 --> 02:19:27,520
Speaker 1: through training camp, in the first four games and it's

2678
02:19:27,560 --> 02:19:30,880
Speaker 1: like we we haven't got this team awake yet. You know,

2679
02:19:30,959 --> 02:19:34,360
Speaker 1: we're just kind of they just they don't Bill Belichick, Pete,

2680
02:19:34,720 --> 02:19:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, they're making the adjustment and you know it's

2681
02:19:37,440 --> 02:19:39,960
Speaker 1: just it's not very good. And we lose four games

2682
02:19:40,520 --> 02:19:43,600
Speaker 1: and we're going down to play Miami and we're out

2683
02:19:43,640 --> 02:19:46,440
Speaker 1: there at practice and you know, it's kind of like,

2684
02:19:47,360 --> 02:19:51,040
Speaker 1: get this team going and the scout team offense is

2685
02:19:51,120 --> 02:19:53,360
Speaker 1: going to come in motion and run the toss crack.

2686
02:19:53,720 --> 02:19:56,920
Speaker 1: So they do it and Bobby Hamilton goes off because

2687
02:19:57,040 --> 02:20:00,720
Speaker 1: nobody he's the defensive end and nobody said is anything

2688
02:20:00,800 --> 02:20:04,080
Speaker 1: about watch the crack. You're a defensive lineman, your hands

2689
02:20:04,160 --> 02:20:07,560
Speaker 1: on the ground, you can't see a receiver coming in motion.

2690
02:20:08,240 --> 02:20:08,760
Speaker 2: Communicate.

2691
02:20:08,879 --> 02:20:12,880
Speaker 1: You have to communicate. And Bobby goes off, and you

2692
02:20:13,000 --> 02:20:16,039
Speaker 1: can ask Tay about this because he were right, God, David,

2693
02:20:16,120 --> 02:20:18,640
Speaker 1: you gotta say something and Ty, who are you talking

2694
02:20:18,680 --> 02:20:21,760
Speaker 1: to you? You gotta tell me it's a crack?

2695
02:20:22,000 --> 02:20:22,720
Speaker 3: And what I love?

2696
02:20:22,959 --> 02:20:25,640
Speaker 1: That was the first sign of life on our football team.

2697
02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:29,160
Speaker 1: That was, Okay, these guys, you know, let's let's get

2698
02:20:29,200 --> 02:20:33,119
Speaker 1: this going. Starting to digest. But you know, you gotta

2699
02:20:33,400 --> 02:20:36,879
Speaker 1: you know, you you have to help your teammate if

2700
02:20:36,920 --> 02:20:40,360
Speaker 1: you see something like that, you know, particular aligneman who

2701
02:20:40,400 --> 02:20:43,480
Speaker 1: can't see the crack coming, you gotta help him. And

2702
02:20:43,840 --> 02:20:47,000
Speaker 1: that's and that was the so I will never forget that.

2703
02:20:47,680 --> 02:20:50,040
Speaker 1: But he said after the game, we shocked the world,

2704
02:20:50,320 --> 02:20:52,600
Speaker 1: which we did. I mean nobody thought we had you know,

2705
02:20:53,240 --> 02:20:55,200
Speaker 1: this was like, you know this was gonna be the

2706
02:20:55,320 --> 02:20:56,840
Speaker 1: coronation of the Rams.

2707
02:20:57,040 --> 02:21:02,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, fourteen point dogs. I text Lonnie Paxton and I

2708
02:21:02,959 --> 02:21:05,040
Speaker 2: was like, yo, I have Ernie coming on. You got

2709
02:21:05,040 --> 02:21:07,720
Speaker 2: any any stories. He goes, Yeah, ask him about the

2710
02:21:08,040 --> 02:21:12,040
Speaker 2: three ring binder. That was a ten inch book of

2711
02:21:12,360 --> 02:21:15,760
Speaker 2: scouting reports that he gave to Adam Vinitari. Did you

2712
02:21:15,800 --> 02:21:18,680
Speaker 2: give Adam? He said, you gave Adam a book?

2713
02:21:19,600 --> 02:21:21,320
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to say I didn't, but

2714
02:21:21,440 --> 02:21:22,200
Speaker 1: I don't remember.

2715
02:21:22,959 --> 02:21:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said that, I mean to me my kicking wins,

2716
02:21:26,120 --> 02:21:28,119
Speaker 2: and it was the wins for kickers.

2717
02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:31,720
Speaker 1: It was like a presentation on listen. After Adam hit

2718
02:21:31,800 --> 02:21:34,160
Speaker 1: that field goal against Oakland. I would never dream of

2719
02:21:34,280 --> 02:21:36,040
Speaker 1: telling him anything about kicking.

2720
02:21:36,560 --> 02:21:38,800
Speaker 2: I mean, that was, you know what made him so clutch.

2721
02:21:39,040 --> 02:21:42,280
Speaker 1: Number one thing. He had. The best long snapper in

2722
02:21:42,320 --> 02:21:45,280
Speaker 1: the history, Lonnie Paxton was a great long snapper. I

2723
02:21:45,360 --> 02:21:47,560
Speaker 1: mean he that ball was gonna be on the money

2724
02:21:48,280 --> 02:21:52,800
Speaker 1: every places, place is right every time. I mean, you know,

2725
02:21:53,760 --> 02:21:58,000
Speaker 1: so that's where it starts. I mean, the best long

2726
02:21:58,080 --> 02:22:01,680
Speaker 1: snapper that you know that I've ever I've ever seen.

2727
02:22:02,040 --> 02:22:05,640
Speaker 1: That's a that's a full team operation snap. I mean,

2728
02:22:05,879 --> 02:22:08,760
Speaker 1: look if if the if the kicker gets the ball

2729
02:22:08,800 --> 02:22:11,640
Speaker 1: with the laces looking right at him and it's crooking

2730
02:22:11,680 --> 02:22:14,400
Speaker 1: the wrong way, forget it. Didn't know who the kicker is,

2731
02:22:14,800 --> 02:22:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, I mean He's totally dependent on you know,

2732
02:22:17,400 --> 02:22:20,240
Speaker 1: the snapper and the holder, and that's why those guys

2733
02:22:20,360 --> 02:22:24,560
Speaker 1: spend all that time working together. So in that critical situation,

2734
02:22:24,800 --> 02:22:25,959
Speaker 1: it's going to be just right.

2735
02:22:26,440 --> 02:22:28,959
Speaker 2: When was Adam brought to the Patriots, you.

2736
02:22:29,000 --> 02:22:33,040
Speaker 1: Know, he came in the mid nineties, and he he

2737
02:22:33,160 --> 02:22:36,400
Speaker 1: had to go forever I have Yeah, I mean, he

2738
02:22:36,520 --> 02:22:39,360
Speaker 1: had to go kicking the one of those teams in

2739
02:22:39,480 --> 02:22:43,400
Speaker 1: the world football, the Berlin Dragons or whatever.

2740
02:22:43,200 --> 02:22:46,240
Speaker 3: The Amsterdam Admirals, the Amsterdam Admiral.

2741
02:22:47,760 --> 02:22:50,880
Speaker 1: Sorry, but I mean, you know, it wasn't just you know,

2742
02:22:50,959 --> 02:22:52,560
Speaker 1: he was a little bit it was a little bit

2743
02:22:52,640 --> 02:22:54,840
Speaker 1: like Tom. He didn't just come in there. Hey I'm

2744
02:22:54,840 --> 02:22:57,240
Speaker 1: a I'm a great kicker, let's go. I mean, he

2745
02:22:57,360 --> 02:22:58,840
Speaker 1: had to he had to learn how to do it.

2746
02:22:58,959 --> 02:23:03,480
Speaker 1: He had to practice to develop, you know it. Troy Brown,

2747
02:23:03,560 --> 02:23:05,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, not a lot of those guys.

2748
02:23:06,200 --> 02:23:08,320
Speaker 1: You know, we come in from practice and I'd say,

2749
02:23:08,400 --> 02:23:10,360
Speaker 1: you know, the other coaches, hey, you know what this

2750
02:23:10,560 --> 02:23:14,840
Speaker 1: practice stuff. It actually works. You can see guys and

2751
02:23:14,959 --> 02:23:17,440
Speaker 1: you know, you would see guys getting better. You know,

2752
02:23:17,520 --> 02:23:20,600
Speaker 1: it's just like go and and play Super Bowl forty

2753
02:23:20,720 --> 02:23:26,240
Speaker 1: nine against the Seahawks. You got Wendy and Dan Conley.

2754
02:23:26,520 --> 02:23:29,200
Speaker 1: Two guys came on the practice squad. They made themselves

2755
02:23:29,240 --> 02:23:32,200
Speaker 1: in the good football players. Tom Brady, you know, he

2756
02:23:32,320 --> 02:23:34,040
Speaker 1: made himself into a good quarterback.

2757
02:23:34,120 --> 02:23:36,360
Speaker 2: Whn doy you coach now? And Dan Conley made some

2758
02:23:36,480 --> 02:23:40,039
Speaker 2: of the best beer I've ever had. If you ever

2759
02:23:40,120 --> 02:23:42,280
Speaker 2: have Dan Conley cook for you's, you know what.

2760
02:23:42,320 --> 02:23:44,480
Speaker 1: Because I you know, I mean I and I haven't

2761
02:23:44,520 --> 02:23:46,320
Speaker 1: had a chance to do that, but I know he

2762
02:23:46,480 --> 02:23:48,880
Speaker 1: became a chef and I can't imagine him not being good.

2763
02:23:49,120 --> 02:23:52,360
Speaker 1: And Wendy, I can totally imagine him being a great coach.

2764
02:23:53,040 --> 02:23:55,440
Speaker 1: You know this ye is like some some guys know

2765
02:23:55,520 --> 02:23:59,120
Speaker 1: he is. I always said, some players, you know, they're

2766
02:23:59,160 --> 02:24:02,000
Speaker 1: going to be a great coaches as long as they

2767
02:24:02,040 --> 02:24:05,120
Speaker 1: can put up with the hours the coaching takes. There's

2768
02:24:05,160 --> 02:24:08,360
Speaker 1: some guys just you know, I mean it's it's it's

2769
02:24:08,360 --> 02:24:11,120
Speaker 1: one hundred hour weeks. It's you know, I mean, you

2770
02:24:11,240 --> 02:24:13,320
Speaker 1: get home, your wife should sleep, You get up and leave,

2771
02:24:13,400 --> 02:24:17,000
Speaker 1: she's still asleep, you know. And some guys they might

2772
02:24:17,120 --> 02:24:19,120
Speaker 1: know the football, they just don't want to deal with.

2773
02:24:20,040 --> 02:24:23,400
Speaker 1: And that's why when I said when these first coaching

2774
02:24:23,520 --> 02:24:25,560
Speaker 1: job was for Buffalo, Yeah, and we're on the field

2775
02:24:25,600 --> 02:24:27,400
Speaker 1: getting ready to play with the Bills. I'm right, how

2776
02:24:27,400 --> 02:24:29,840
Speaker 1: are you liking this coaching? He says, I love it. Well,

2777
02:24:29,840 --> 02:24:31,920
Speaker 1: if you if he loves it, you don't mind the hours.

2778
02:24:32,440 --> 02:24:33,480
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna be good.

2779
02:24:33,600 --> 02:24:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was smart. It had to be pretty cool

2780
02:24:37,600 --> 02:24:41,920
Speaker 2: to experience this with seeing Steve Belichick. You read his

2781
02:24:42,160 --> 02:24:48,000
Speaker 2: book Full Circle. High School, bro. Bill, you guys over

2782
02:24:48,280 --> 02:24:53,080
Speaker 2: sneaking in watching games, you know, trinking beers, looking scott

2783
02:24:53,160 --> 02:24:53,680
Speaker 2: and reports.

2784
02:24:54,360 --> 02:24:57,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right right, yeah, all this stuff normally

2785
02:24:57,320 --> 02:25:01,440
Speaker 1: eighteen year olds, no scout of Reports. Yeah, we split

2786
02:25:01,600 --> 02:25:06,760
Speaker 1: end on the goal line. That's crazy. Yeah, but you

2787
02:25:06,840 --> 02:25:09,440
Speaker 1: know that, I mean, this is you know, hey, it's

2788
02:25:09,560 --> 02:25:12,240
Speaker 1: real life, and you know it's actually we got great

2789
02:25:12,840 --> 02:25:15,760
Speaker 1: The one thing about our Patriots teams, we had great people.

2790
02:25:16,720 --> 02:25:19,440
Speaker 1: That was totally and that was the found that was

2791
02:25:19,520 --> 02:25:20,640
Speaker 1: the foundation.

2792
02:25:20,640 --> 02:25:23,560
Speaker 2: Any wild after party stories earning you get did you

2793
02:25:23,640 --> 02:25:25,840
Speaker 2: have to drink a little? You drink?

2794
02:25:26,200 --> 02:25:30,879
Speaker 1: I I know this. Uh after we beat this beat

2795
02:25:30,920 --> 02:25:33,880
Speaker 1: the Rams, I mean I was, I mean I was,

2796
02:25:34,120 --> 02:25:36,960
Speaker 1: I was exhausted. I went to bed. I've been told

2797
02:25:37,040 --> 02:25:41,160
Speaker 1: by very reliable sources that Bill absolutely never made it

2798
02:25:41,240 --> 02:25:42,080
Speaker 1: to bed after that.

2799
02:25:44,800 --> 02:25:49,720
Speaker 5: I like that yet, all right, so we got to

2800
02:25:49,760 --> 02:25:54,280
Speaker 5: remember final score twenty to seventeen, the Patriots win it,

2801
02:25:54,760 --> 02:25:57,920
Speaker 5: Adam kicked that bad boy no time left, first super

2802
02:25:57,959 --> 02:26:02,720
Speaker 5: Bowl in franchise history. And then the aftermath, Brady keeps

2803
02:26:02,760 --> 02:26:05,800
Speaker 5: the starting role, drew Bledsoe's dealt in the off season to.

2804
02:26:05,800 --> 02:26:07,240
Speaker 2: Buffalo in Division.

2805
02:26:07,400 --> 02:26:09,720
Speaker 5: This is the start of the Tom Brady legend, the

2806
02:26:09,800 --> 02:26:12,480
Speaker 5: start of the dynasty. This would end the greatest show

2807
02:26:12,520 --> 02:26:16,120
Speaker 5: on turf era, and it would be the last Super

2808
02:26:16,120 --> 02:26:18,640
Speaker 5: Bowl appearance for the Rams in Saint Louis.

2809
02:26:18,800 --> 02:26:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, losing losing the Super Bowl, you know,

2810
02:26:23,160 --> 02:26:26,840
Speaker 1: I said, you know, championships are forever, or losing the

2811
02:26:26,959 --> 02:26:31,160
Speaker 1: championships forever too, That's that can be a hard one.

2812
02:26:33,360 --> 02:26:36,879
Speaker 1: I mean to uh, losing losing, you know, losing three

2813
02:26:36,959 --> 02:26:40,000
Speaker 1: super Bowls and losing that AFC Championship game. I mean

2814
02:26:40,520 --> 02:26:43,480
Speaker 1: that was you know, no fun. But you just you know,

2815
02:26:43,560 --> 02:26:46,240
Speaker 1: when Kansas City won that Super Bowl, I said, well,

2816
02:26:46,720 --> 02:26:49,720
Speaker 1: San Francisco, they can just go back their offseason program

2817
02:26:49,800 --> 02:26:52,200
Speaker 1: and start lifting weights. I mean, that's what it is.

2818
02:26:52,320 --> 02:26:54,800
Speaker 1: You go your you're you can go from on top

2819
02:26:54,840 --> 02:26:56,840
Speaker 1: of the world to being right down at the bottom.

2820
02:26:57,080 --> 02:26:59,880
Speaker 2: Real fast because people don't realize how hard it is

2821
02:27:00,000 --> 02:27:00,320
Speaker 2: to get that.

2822
02:27:00,440 --> 02:27:03,280
Speaker 1: They get that, Oh my god, it's what you have

2823
02:27:03,400 --> 02:27:05,680
Speaker 1: to work your way, you know. It's like when they

2824
02:27:05,800 --> 02:27:09,640
Speaker 1: had the Super Bowl that Kansas City lost to Tampa

2825
02:27:10,080 --> 02:27:12,840
Speaker 1: and Tony romas well. If they back from my homes,

2826
02:27:12,879 --> 02:27:15,000
Speaker 1: he can get they can do six seven. I mean,

2827
02:27:15,400 --> 02:27:18,800
Speaker 1: are you crazy? It is so hard just to do one.

2828
02:27:20,120 --> 02:27:23,080
Speaker 1: Forget it. When I hear people talk about we're going

2829
02:27:23,160 --> 02:27:27,160
Speaker 1: win multiple super Bowls, I'm give me a break. Yeah,

2830
02:27:27,600 --> 02:27:31,840
Speaker 1: it's just it doesn't work that way. It really doesn't.

2831
02:27:32,120 --> 02:27:35,760
Speaker 2: It doesn't. It doesn't because it's hard because once you win,

2832
02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:38,160
Speaker 2: you got the America's most wanted target on you at

2833
02:27:38,200 --> 02:27:39,760
Speaker 2: all times. You play everyone's best.

2834
02:27:40,040 --> 02:27:42,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know it's like I said, well, okay,

2835
02:27:42,360 --> 02:27:45,240
Speaker 1: so Saint Louis never got back. I mean, I will

2836
02:27:45,400 --> 02:27:49,080
Speaker 1: just say, from my observation from a few thousand miles away,

2837
02:27:49,840 --> 02:27:52,320
Speaker 1: that blew up the thing in Seattle. I mean, they

2838
02:27:52,720 --> 02:27:56,240
Speaker 1: they never recovered from that. It didn't look like, you know,

2839
02:27:56,600 --> 02:27:59,600
Speaker 1: I'm not in their building, so you know, maybe I

2840
02:27:59,600 --> 02:28:02,000
Speaker 1: shouldn't say that, but it looked to me like that

2841
02:28:02,160 --> 02:28:04,160
Speaker 1: that was devastating for them.

2842
02:28:04,920 --> 02:28:07,160
Speaker 2: This I mean This had to be probably one of

2843
02:28:07,240 --> 02:28:10,440
Speaker 2: our most important wins in team history.

2844
02:28:10,680 --> 02:28:13,680
Speaker 1: Oh no, no question. I mean, if if you don't

2845
02:28:13,720 --> 02:28:15,640
Speaker 1: win the first one, you're not going to get to six.

2846
02:28:16,000 --> 02:28:18,440
Speaker 2: You gotta win one to get to two. Yeah, to

2847
02:28:19,240 --> 02:28:22,240
Speaker 2: get to three. Let's never gets injured. What happens with

2848
02:28:22,320 --> 02:28:26,440
Speaker 2: tom Ah, that's a good you know, analytically, how would

2849
02:28:26,480 --> 02:28:29,320
Speaker 2: you analytically do the simulation in your head real quick?

2850
02:28:30,360 --> 02:28:30,640
Speaker 2: Right now?

2851
02:28:30,760 --> 02:28:34,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? Hey, things happened and you can't be there's no

2852
02:28:34,720 --> 02:28:37,680
Speaker 1: due overs, there are no do overs. I mean, would

2853
02:28:37,760 --> 02:28:40,000
Speaker 1: Luke Garrick have ever played if it hadn't been for

2854
02:28:40,160 --> 02:28:40,760
Speaker 1: Wallly Pip?

2855
02:28:41,879 --> 02:28:47,360
Speaker 2: Well, never know, never know, Heredy, who's that guy? What

2856
02:28:47,640 --> 02:28:48,800
Speaker 2: was your favorite team ever?

2857
02:28:49,640 --> 02:28:53,080
Speaker 1: Oh? Boy, this this is this is a little bit

2858
02:28:53,240 --> 02:28:56,119
Speaker 1: like like you know, children, it's hard to I mean

2859
02:28:57,000 --> 02:29:01,440
Speaker 1: this the two I'm gonna say two thous one because

2860
02:29:01,520 --> 02:29:03,720
Speaker 1: nobody else thought we could do it. I mean, the

2861
02:29:03,840 --> 02:29:07,880
Speaker 1: Ultra team win, the Ultimate team win. Bobby Hamilton said,

2862
02:29:07,920 --> 02:29:09,760
Speaker 1: we shocked the world. I mean that was a lot

2863
02:29:09,840 --> 02:29:12,480
Speaker 1: of fun and so many things had to line up

2864
02:29:12,680 --> 02:29:15,600
Speaker 1: just right for us. You know that we had to

2865
02:29:15,640 --> 02:29:18,280
Speaker 1: play the Rams in December. It was so great getting

2866
02:29:18,320 --> 02:29:22,000
Speaker 1: those basically bye weeks back to back week to be helpful.

2867
02:29:22,240 --> 02:29:24,800
Speaker 1: We got to play the Raiders in the snow. It

2868
02:29:24,879 --> 02:29:29,160
Speaker 1: all lined up everything, you know, everything, everything.

2869
02:29:28,879 --> 02:29:31,320
Speaker 2: Lined up for us, Jackie, we missed anything about this

2870
02:29:31,879 --> 02:29:32,520
Speaker 2: this super Bowl.

2871
02:29:32,640 --> 02:29:34,440
Speaker 5: This is a pretty good episode. I will say it's

2872
02:29:34,440 --> 02:29:37,280
Speaker 5: worth mentioning we talked. Steve Belichick was in the in

2873
02:29:37,400 --> 02:29:40,680
Speaker 5: the on the sidelines that day. Roger Strawback also in

2874
02:29:40,760 --> 02:29:44,240
Speaker 5: the building that day, another great navy man. And we're

2875
02:29:44,600 --> 02:29:48,160
Speaker 5: a sarcitorially inclined podcast. We love talking drip. We love

2876
02:29:48,640 --> 02:29:52,039
Speaker 5: the jerseys and the fits. It's worth noting blue wind

2877
02:29:52,120 --> 02:29:56,520
Speaker 5: Breakers were Bill's best attire in Super Bowls two thousand

2878
02:29:56,520 --> 02:29:59,360
Speaker 5: and two, Blue wind Breaker two thousand and four against

2879
02:29:59,400 --> 02:30:03,280
Speaker 5: the Panthers, wind Breaker both long sleeve seventeen and nineteen.

2880
02:30:03,640 --> 02:30:06,040
Speaker 5: Switch to the short sleeve. Blue Windbreaker won both of

2881
02:30:06,120 --> 02:30:08,400
Speaker 5: those four and oh when the blue wind Breaker was out.

2882
02:30:08,400 --> 02:30:10,480
Speaker 2: Blue Windbreaker, arning did you get that in the analytics?

2883
02:30:11,240 --> 02:30:17,200
Speaker 1: Well we did have. Yeah, we actually talked about jersey

2884
02:30:17,320 --> 02:30:19,640
Speaker 1: color when we had a you know, you know, when

2885
02:30:19,680 --> 02:30:22,080
Speaker 1: we had a choice, I mean, you know, which which which?

2886
02:30:22,160 --> 02:30:23,840
Speaker 1: When we better him and.

2887
02:30:24,400 --> 02:30:26,039
Speaker 2: I got I want to play a game real quick.

2888
02:30:26,240 --> 02:30:30,039
Speaker 2: We're almost done here, we were almost done. I'm gonna

2889
02:30:30,120 --> 02:30:33,080
Speaker 2: name a player, okay, and you're gonna tell me the

2890
02:30:33,200 --> 02:30:37,000
Speaker 2: play that comes up to your mind that made that

2891
02:30:37,120 --> 02:30:40,440
Speaker 2: player that player. Okay, Let's start out with Teddy Bruski.

2892
02:30:41,120 --> 02:30:47,240
Speaker 1: Teddy Bruski his tackle and short yardage in the snowball, Well,

2893
02:30:47,480 --> 02:30:51,160
Speaker 1: he had just a great linebacker play. I mean he

2894
02:30:52,160 --> 02:30:55,320
Speaker 1: was by himself, the back had all kinds of space and.

2895
02:30:56,000 --> 02:30:59,119
Speaker 2: Phenomeno stop Dante High Tower, Oh.

2896
02:30:59,480 --> 02:31:02,920
Speaker 1: Super Super Bowl forty nine. The tackle on Marshawn Lynch.

2897
02:31:03,160 --> 02:31:07,600
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I know that you know Butler had

2898
02:31:07,640 --> 02:31:10,240
Speaker 1: the interception that when they game, but that if I

2899
02:31:10,320 --> 02:31:12,879
Speaker 1: want to if I was showing a young linebacker, here's

2900
02:31:12,879 --> 02:31:15,160
Speaker 1: what you want to do, I'm gonna show him High

2901
02:31:15,200 --> 02:31:20,040
Speaker 1: Tower because when Marshawn Lynch got got that handoff, I'm

2902
02:31:20,080 --> 02:31:24,400
Speaker 1: sure Marshawn Lynch start end zone because there's nothing there.

2903
02:31:24,920 --> 02:31:27,920
Speaker 1: Oh Doute, that was phenomenal.

2904
02:31:29,160 --> 02:31:33,879
Speaker 2: Randy Moss, you know the first first game.

2905
02:31:33,760 --> 02:31:36,879
Speaker 1: With the Patriots two thousand and seven against the Jets

2906
02:31:37,520 --> 02:31:40,640
Speaker 1: where he just just put it into that extra after

2907
02:31:40,760 --> 02:31:45,720
Speaker 1: Burner went right by him, and Josh McDaniels said, Oh,

2908
02:31:45,879 --> 02:31:51,680
Speaker 1: this is gonna be fun. Rob Grinkowski going to a

2909
02:31:51,879 --> 02:31:56,120
Speaker 1: AFC wild card, AFC Championship game, getting that faith, you know,

2910
02:31:57,360 --> 02:31:59,360
Speaker 1: coming up with a fade down there. I mean, you

2911
02:31:59,440 --> 02:32:03,119
Speaker 1: know he had because Rob was the The reason he's

2912
02:32:03,160 --> 02:32:05,800
Speaker 1: the greatest tight end that ever played is he could

2913
02:32:05,879 --> 02:32:08,760
Speaker 1: catch like a wide receiver, and he could block like

2914
02:32:08,840 --> 02:32:11,360
Speaker 1: an offensive tackle. He could knock the edge back in

2915
02:32:11,400 --> 02:32:13,600
Speaker 1: the running game, and he was dynamite in the passion game.

2916
02:32:13,680 --> 02:32:17,000
Speaker 2: And he always ran by people. Yeah, you see him accelerating,

2917
02:32:17,080 --> 02:32:20,359
Speaker 2: never got caught from behind, right, Mike Rabel.

2918
02:32:21,000 --> 02:32:23,440
Speaker 1: Well, I know he had, you know, the big pressure

2919
02:32:23,560 --> 02:32:26,800
Speaker 1: to get the warner here in the Super Bowl. But

2920
02:32:26,920 --> 02:32:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say catching the you know, catching the touchdown

2921
02:32:30,480 --> 02:32:32,519
Speaker 1: pass against the Panthers.

2922
02:32:32,120 --> 02:32:33,760
Speaker 2: In the Super Bowl, versatility.

2923
02:32:33,959 --> 02:32:37,680
Speaker 1: Versatility, it's only a touchdown passion the Super Bowl.

2924
02:32:37,800 --> 02:32:41,600
Speaker 2: It's only a touchdown passing the Super Bowl. Lawrence Taylor the.

2925
02:32:41,720 --> 02:32:44,440
Speaker 1: One so so he plays. They're going in to play

2926
02:32:44,560 --> 02:32:48,160
Speaker 1: the Bears in a playoff game, and early in the game,

2927
02:32:49,959 --> 02:32:52,840
Speaker 1: I must say eighty five, and early in the game,

2928
02:32:53,480 --> 02:32:56,240
Speaker 1: they run the wide receiver in and they crack l

2929
02:32:56,320 --> 02:33:00,920
Speaker 1: T and LT doesn't see it coming, and that really

2930
02:33:01,160 --> 02:33:04,160
Speaker 1: pissed him off. To the rest of the game, He's

2931
02:33:04,280 --> 02:33:07,200
Speaker 1: looking for this guy to come try and do it again,

2932
02:33:07,840 --> 02:33:10,880
Speaker 1: and when he did, he took his head off. I mean,

2933
02:33:13,520 --> 02:33:17,160
Speaker 1: I mean this Lawrence Taylor Bill will say, and I'm

2934
02:33:17,200 --> 02:33:20,680
Speaker 1: in total agreement, the best defensive player in the history

2935
02:33:20,720 --> 02:33:24,760
Speaker 1: of the national Footballer because I have no question he

2936
02:33:24,879 --> 02:33:28,240
Speaker 1: could have played any one of the eleven spots. I mean,

2937
02:33:28,320 --> 02:33:29,560
Speaker 1: he was phenomenal.

2938
02:33:29,840 --> 02:33:33,920
Speaker 2: Revolutionized the game, Tom Brady, you know again, I'm going

2939
02:33:34,000 --> 02:33:37,680
Speaker 2: to go to that overtime AFC Championship game against the Chiefs.

2940
02:33:38,120 --> 02:33:41,520
Speaker 1: You know, we got it's third down. If we give

2941
02:33:41,560 --> 02:33:43,160
Speaker 1: the ball up, we're giving it to Homes and he

2942
02:33:43,200 --> 02:33:45,640
Speaker 1: beats us with a field goal. So we kind of

2943
02:33:45,720 --> 02:33:48,480
Speaker 1: got to make this play and you know, right on

2944
02:33:48,600 --> 02:33:52,560
Speaker 1: the money now, you know, you get you know, Chris Hogan,

2945
02:33:52,800 --> 02:33:56,080
Speaker 1: you Rob you know, making those plays. I mean this

2946
02:33:56,320 --> 02:33:58,760
Speaker 1: is like, you know, that's the ultimate crunch time and

2947
02:33:58,879 --> 02:34:00,000
Speaker 1: this is everything's.

2948
02:33:59,600 --> 02:34:01,240
Speaker 2: Out of a Julian Edelman.

2949
02:34:02,000 --> 02:34:06,439
Speaker 1: Julian I got to say the catch against the Falcons,

2950
02:34:06,800 --> 02:34:10,320
Speaker 1: I mean that was you know, you know, you're you're

2951
02:34:10,360 --> 02:34:12,720
Speaker 1: telling you look at the video, telling the guy if

2952
02:34:12,760 --> 02:34:14,800
Speaker 1: I got the ball right there, I got it?

2953
02:34:15,720 --> 02:34:15,840
Speaker 10: Uh.

2954
02:34:16,920 --> 02:34:19,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I think. I mean, I love

2955
02:34:19,680 --> 02:34:23,640
Speaker 1: to say playing defense because to me, that's just like

2956
02:34:23,840 --> 02:34:27,240
Speaker 1: raybel going on offense, you going on defense. But you

2957
02:34:27,320 --> 02:34:30,199
Speaker 1: know that was again a huge, huge, playing huge, playing

2958
02:34:30,280 --> 02:34:31,959
Speaker 1: overtime in the Super Bowl. It's hard to.

2959
02:34:31,959 --> 02:34:33,920
Speaker 2: Beat that, Bill Belichick.

2960
02:34:35,000 --> 02:34:37,680
Speaker 1: I mean a game like a game like this against

2961
02:34:37,760 --> 02:34:40,720
Speaker 1: the Rams. I mean this was they had a better

2962
02:34:40,800 --> 02:34:45,240
Speaker 1: team realistically, and you know, I mean he it was coach.

2963
02:34:46,040 --> 02:34:48,400
Speaker 1: Coaches don't win games, but they help players get in

2964
02:34:48,480 --> 02:34:51,959
Speaker 1: position to win games. And I thought building a great job, you.

2965
02:34:52,000 --> 02:34:57,480
Speaker 9: Know, in in this game, Vince Lombardy, you know the again,

2966
02:34:57,520 --> 02:35:01,040
Speaker 9: I'll go to the Ice Bowl Quarterback sneak with with

2967
02:35:01,200 --> 02:35:04,800
Speaker 9: Barstar and mister, if you can't score from the one

2968
02:35:04,879 --> 02:35:06,600
Speaker 9: yard line, you don't deserve to win.

2969
02:35:08,959 --> 02:35:10,879
Speaker 2: And for everyone out there, I'm not going to ask

2970
02:35:10,920 --> 02:35:13,040
Speaker 2: about the pink stripes. Ernie already told me about the

2971
02:35:13,080 --> 02:35:16,160
Speaker 2: pink stripes earlier, you know, before before the interview. So

2972
02:35:16,600 --> 02:35:19,480
Speaker 2: we'll keep the pink stripes between you know, Ernie and.

2973
02:35:19,480 --> 02:35:23,400
Speaker 1: I, Julian. It's proprietary football information. And as you know,

2974
02:35:23,800 --> 02:35:26,360
Speaker 1: if you remember when you got to the Patriots, you

2975
02:35:26,520 --> 02:35:29,080
Speaker 1: had to sign in blood. You will never disclose things

2976
02:35:29,160 --> 02:35:32,840
Speaker 1: that shouldn't be disclosed because, as Vince Lombardy always said,

2977
02:35:33,240 --> 02:35:35,200
Speaker 1: what you see here, what you say here, let it

2978
02:35:35,360 --> 02:35:36,680
Speaker 1: stay here when you leave here.

2979
02:35:40,320 --> 02:35:47,320
Speaker 2: And that's awesome. Name the game. We do this segment

2980
02:35:47,360 --> 02:35:50,000
Speaker 2: where we score this game presented by the Win Las

2981
02:35:50,120 --> 02:35:52,160
Speaker 2: Vegas and Encore Boston Harbor.

2982
02:35:52,240 --> 02:35:53,320
Speaker 1: I didn't know about this game.

2983
02:35:53,520 --> 02:35:57,640
Speaker 2: Oh, you gotta get excited. So the name of this game,

2984
02:35:58,920 --> 02:36:02,160
Speaker 2: which we name this game, the Dynasty Starter, there's the

2985
02:36:02,240 --> 02:36:03,440
Speaker 2: first one is the sweetest.

2986
02:36:03,480 --> 02:36:06,440
Speaker 1: Hey, you listen, the Dynasty I mean, Ricky pol told

2987
02:36:06,520 --> 02:36:08,120
Speaker 1: you the dynasties being born than I.

2988
02:36:08,320 --> 02:36:11,920
Speaker 2: So you know the Dynasty Starter, Yeah, Ricky?

2989
02:36:12,520 --> 02:36:12,840
Speaker 5: All right?

2990
02:36:13,000 --> 02:36:16,680
Speaker 2: So steaks zero to ten decimals? Okay, what are the

2991
02:36:16,760 --> 02:36:20,359
Speaker 2: stakes of this game? Have high integrity. We've done multiple

2992
02:36:20,560 --> 02:36:26,439
Speaker 2: multiple games on multiple different platforms of sports, Championships, World Cups, everything,

2993
02:36:27,160 --> 02:36:31,039
Speaker 2: steaks zero to ten decimal's? Okay, what do you got, Ernie?

2994
02:36:31,760 --> 02:36:35,080
Speaker 2: Oh this game is a ten I mean, greatest show

2995
02:36:35,080 --> 02:36:36,519
Speaker 2: on turf for fourteen.

2996
02:36:36,160 --> 02:36:40,240
Speaker 1: Point listen, hey, we shocked the world.

2997
02:36:40,600 --> 02:36:43,840
Speaker 2: We shocked the world. What's the star power? Zero to

2998
02:36:43,920 --> 02:36:44,760
Speaker 2: ten decimals? Okay?

2999
02:36:45,440 --> 02:36:49,080
Speaker 1: These are we we were more stars l This wasn't

3000
02:36:49,360 --> 02:36:51,959
Speaker 1: this wasn't a game about stars. This was a game

3001
02:36:52,040 --> 02:36:55,400
Speaker 1: about being introduced as a team team power of ten

3002
02:36:56,080 --> 02:37:01,080
Speaker 1: star we went that into stars wasn't a thing. I mean,

3003
02:37:01,120 --> 02:37:03,440
Speaker 1: if you if you came into that, if you came

3004
02:37:03,480 --> 02:37:06,640
Speaker 1: into our building and started behaving like a star, you

3005
02:37:06,760 --> 02:37:09,480
Speaker 1: were gonna you know, you were gonna get crucified, right.

3006
02:37:09,959 --> 02:37:13,120
Speaker 1: You wouldn't even think about it, you know. Can you

3007
02:37:13,200 --> 02:37:16,920
Speaker 1: imagine somebody coming into the Newingo Patriots. Hey, look at me,

3008
02:37:17,280 --> 02:37:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm special, that humble pie.

3009
02:37:23,000 --> 02:37:24,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? So a six?

3010
02:37:25,400 --> 02:37:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

3011
02:37:25,600 --> 02:37:29,879
Speaker 2: Five yeah, six six. The gameplay of the game zero

3012
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:33,800
Speaker 2: to ten decimals, Okay, oh man, yeah, I'm.

3013
02:37:33,600 --> 02:37:35,680
Speaker 1: Gonna give us a ten there. I mean, we played

3014
02:37:35,680 --> 02:37:38,320
Speaker 1: the game the way we played the game we wanted

3015
02:37:38,360 --> 02:37:40,080
Speaker 1: to play, and we needed to play.

3016
02:37:41,080 --> 02:37:44,000
Speaker 2: Name the game, the name of the game. What would

3017
02:37:44,040 --> 02:37:45,000
Speaker 2: you score that, Earnie?

3018
02:37:45,360 --> 02:37:48,039
Speaker 1: Hey, look, not every day that you get to start

3019
02:37:48,080 --> 02:37:51,760
Speaker 1: a dynasty. That's a ten. I mean, that's you know,

3020
02:37:53,320 --> 02:37:54,199
Speaker 1: that's that's special.

3021
02:37:54,360 --> 02:37:55,800
Speaker 2: It's special. What do we come out to.

3022
02:37:57,720 --> 02:38:01,880
Speaker 1: Nine? Well, because hey it's a nine, because we know

3023
02:38:02,160 --> 02:38:03,480
Speaker 1: we can always do better.

3024
02:38:03,480 --> 02:38:06,080
Speaker 2: Always know you can do better. Where does it rank

3025
02:38:06,120 --> 02:38:06,720
Speaker 2: in the games that.

3026
02:38:06,760 --> 02:38:10,160
Speaker 10: We've done that puts us at a dead tie with

3027
02:38:11,200 --> 02:38:15,640
Speaker 10: Super Bowl fifty four or forty nine Ers versus Chiefs,

3028
02:38:16,080 --> 02:38:19,160
Speaker 10: and the Immaculate Reception Raiders versus Steelers.

3029
02:38:19,280 --> 02:38:20,800
Speaker 3: All three that nines.

3030
02:38:21,680 --> 02:38:24,760
Speaker 6: The only perfect scorer is the twenty eighteen NMTY Championship

3031
02:38:24,800 --> 02:38:26,360
Speaker 6: game that we've talked about.

3032
02:38:26,840 --> 02:38:28,240
Speaker 3: That was one heck of a game.

3033
02:38:28,400 --> 02:38:28,640
Speaker 2: Maybe.

3034
02:38:28,720 --> 02:38:31,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what, boy, what's going in there?

3035
02:38:31,840 --> 02:38:35,800
Speaker 1: That crowd was all read. It was alcohol fueled. Like

3036
02:38:35,959 --> 02:38:38,240
Speaker 1: Bill would say, the only thing of this we're the

3037
02:38:38,320 --> 02:38:40,000
Speaker 1: only thing we got that we got to bring our

3038
02:38:40,040 --> 02:38:42,240
Speaker 1: own energy. We sure did.

3039
02:38:42,680 --> 02:38:45,000
Speaker 2: You shut them up with one first down. That's what

3040
02:38:45,120 --> 02:38:47,240
Speaker 2: we did, Ernie. We miss anything.

3041
02:38:47,800 --> 02:38:51,000
Speaker 1: I think we're I think we got pretty good. I mean,

3042
02:38:51,400 --> 02:38:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, this whole thing, you know, with the dynasty,

3043
02:38:56,640 --> 02:38:59,680
Speaker 1: I mean, this is telescope in twenty years, and you know,

3044
02:39:00,160 --> 02:39:03,000
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's so many you know, there are

3045
02:39:03,120 --> 02:39:07,760
Speaker 1: so many great things that I've forgotten, so many great things.

3046
02:39:08,640 --> 02:39:09,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure I missed a lot.

3047
02:39:10,160 --> 02:39:12,800
Speaker 2: That That's that's the ultimate flex right there, Ernie. That's

3048
02:39:12,800 --> 02:39:15,160
Speaker 2: what I used to tell guys on the field. I go,

3049
02:39:15,240 --> 02:39:18,720
Speaker 2: I've forgotten more football plays than you've ever made because

3050
02:39:18,760 --> 02:39:21,240
Speaker 2: of the success that we all attained together.

3051
02:39:21,440 --> 02:39:21,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

3052
02:39:21,680 --> 02:39:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like I was just watching the other day

3053
02:39:27,520 --> 02:39:30,040
Speaker 1: a few shots of our defense from two thousand and four.

3054
02:39:31,400 --> 02:39:36,959
Speaker 1: You just just just yeah, but I'm watching. God damn,

3055
02:39:37,040 --> 02:39:39,720
Speaker 1: we were really good. I mean I knew we were good,

3056
02:39:39,800 --> 02:39:41,760
Speaker 1: but I've seen that we were really good.

3057
02:39:44,400 --> 02:39:45,960
Speaker 2: You got anything to plug or any what do you

3058
02:39:46,040 --> 02:39:48,480
Speaker 2: got going right now? Hey, now you're retired.

3059
02:39:48,800 --> 02:39:52,840
Speaker 1: Now that I'm retired, people should plan their days around

3060
02:39:52,959 --> 02:39:56,960
Speaker 1: watching Julian Edelman's podcast. Yes, I mean, how you know

3061
02:39:57,600 --> 02:39:59,200
Speaker 1: now that I'm seeing I mean, this is this is

3062
02:39:59,360 --> 02:40:01,000
Speaker 1: this is an operation right the.

3063
02:40:00,959 --> 02:40:02,160
Speaker 3: Appointment viewer dog.

3064
02:40:02,680 --> 02:40:05,080
Speaker 2: You know, I stole the template from this, this place

3065
02:40:05,160 --> 02:40:07,640
Speaker 2: in Foxborough that I worked at for a long time.

3066
02:40:07,760 --> 02:40:10,720
Speaker 2: I said, I want our ship to be tight. Everything's

3067
02:40:10,720 --> 02:40:15,400
Speaker 2: about fundamentals. We need to have situational podcasting available and

3068
02:40:15,600 --> 02:40:18,960
Speaker 2: on call at all time to execute at a high

3069
02:40:19,840 --> 02:40:21,360
Speaker 2: level under pressure.

3070
02:40:21,840 --> 02:40:25,359
Speaker 1: And if you don't do that, you're not giving yourself

3071
02:40:25,400 --> 02:40:25,800
Speaker 1: a chance.

3072
02:40:26,000 --> 02:40:28,200
Speaker 6: You're not giving your bullshit on that. As soon as

3073
02:40:28,240 --> 02:40:29,680
Speaker 6: he's retired, he's gone full diva.

3074
02:40:31,040 --> 02:40:31,760
Speaker 2: Don't don't listen.

3075
02:40:32,240 --> 02:40:34,280
Speaker 3: He makes me run hills out back when I mess up.

3076
02:40:34,959 --> 02:40:38,880
Speaker 1: He's just like, what the hell are you? I know,

3077
02:40:39,280 --> 02:40:41,680
Speaker 1: look this is you know you're you're down here in

3078
02:40:41,760 --> 02:40:43,879
Speaker 1: the you know you got the bountains going up there.

3079
02:40:43,920 --> 02:40:45,879
Speaker 1: I mean what we're doing right hills go up there,

3080
02:40:46,560 --> 02:40:47,720
Speaker 1: right up on those shows.

3081
02:40:47,840 --> 02:40:48,640
Speaker 2: We got a baby.

3082
02:40:48,760 --> 02:40:49,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, we get him.

3083
02:40:50,240 --> 02:40:51,760
Speaker 2: I appreciate you any thank you, This.

3084
02:40:51,920 --> 02:40:54,880
Speaker 1: Is great, Thank you, Thank you man.

3085
02:40:56,520 --> 02:40:57,440
Speaker 2: That was an awesome show.

3086
02:40:57,959 --> 02:41:00,240
Speaker 3: Knock my socks off everything in war.

3087
02:41:00,800 --> 02:41:05,400
Speaker 2: I mean, Ernie. Ernie basically made Friday Night Lights.

3088
02:41:05,720 --> 02:41:08,200
Speaker 5: We credit him one of the greatest sports books. It's

3089
02:41:08,240 --> 02:41:12,800
Speaker 5: greatest sports movies, greatest sports TV shows. Dodim Riggins, I mean,

3090
02:41:13,440 --> 02:41:17,400
Speaker 5: Peter Berg, coach Taylor Texas, forever.

3091
02:41:19,160 --> 02:41:20,440
Speaker 2: You wanted to do in Western Pa.

3092
02:41:20,720 --> 02:41:22,640
Speaker 3: You want to win, put Booby in.

3093
02:41:22,760 --> 02:41:24,640
Speaker 2: You gotta put booby in if you want to win.

3094
02:41:24,840 --> 02:41:26,480
Speaker 6: And also he didn't say on the show, but after

3095
02:41:26,560 --> 02:41:28,760
Speaker 6: as we were talking, he's consulting with the high school team.

3096
02:41:28,800 --> 02:41:30,039
Speaker 1: Right now. It's like he's retired.

3097
02:41:30,120 --> 02:41:34,800
Speaker 2: It's just you can't take any casual. Casual three days ago, yeah,

3098
02:41:34,840 --> 02:41:39,199
Speaker 2: three days ago. I was watching in two thousand and four, Ernie.

3099
02:41:40,240 --> 02:41:42,520
Speaker 1: We should have had him rate your Belichick impression.

3100
02:41:42,720 --> 02:41:46,440
Speaker 3: Oh all right, add that to the list.

3101
02:41:46,480 --> 02:41:48,360
Speaker 2: I mean, we had he did kind of shun my

3102
02:41:48,680 --> 02:41:52,600
Speaker 2: impression a little. Did he win today? Yeah, we did.

3103
02:41:52,760 --> 02:41:56,200
Speaker 2: We did finish each other's sentences. How crazy is that?

3104
02:41:56,560 --> 02:41:58,360
Speaker 3: You guys are on billing Bill and Ernie level.

3105
02:41:58,440 --> 02:42:01,600
Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't go that, Okay, I wouldn't go.

3106
02:42:02,560 --> 02:42:05,920
Speaker 5: You know, they can communicate and like you see those

3107
02:42:05,959 --> 02:42:08,879
Speaker 5: like old NFL films footage and it's like yeah, yeah yeah, Amelia,

3108
02:42:08,879 --> 02:42:10,600
Speaker 5: I was like yeah, yeah yeah. It's like and they

3109
02:42:10,680 --> 02:42:11,959
Speaker 5: know what they're saying and then they go out.

3110
02:42:11,879 --> 02:42:14,440
Speaker 2: And I have so many more questions I want to

3111
02:42:14,440 --> 02:42:14,879
Speaker 2: ask him.

3112
02:42:15,000 --> 02:42:16,280
Speaker 1: We've got a document filled with him.

3113
02:42:16,520 --> 02:42:19,400
Speaker 5: It's literally we talked for almost three hours today. This

3114
02:42:19,440 --> 02:42:21,280
Speaker 5: thing could have gone on for nine, ten, twelve. That like,

3115
02:42:21,560 --> 02:42:23,320
Speaker 5: if the people like the show, we're gonna have to

3116
02:42:23,320 --> 02:42:24,080
Speaker 5: get an Ernie party.

3117
02:42:24,160 --> 02:42:24,680
Speaker 2: Gotcha there?

3118
02:42:24,879 --> 02:42:27,520
Speaker 11: If you if you could see Artsy or computer screen

3119
02:42:27,600 --> 02:42:29,200
Speaker 11: drin the ice bol he'll do the ice bool.

3120
02:42:29,520 --> 02:42:30,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no one does all for me.

3121
02:42:31,120 --> 02:42:33,600
Speaker 2: So let's we'll go to We'll go out there to him.

3122
02:42:33,879 --> 02:42:36,520
Speaker 2: Let's go to Brooklyn taking the dinner tonight, Santa Monica.

3123
02:42:37,480 --> 02:42:40,920
Speaker 2: We're going to dinner tonight. My guy goes, yeah, you know,

3124
02:42:41,240 --> 02:42:43,120
Speaker 2: I never read it in Santa Monica. I go, or

3125
02:42:43,200 --> 02:42:44,760
Speaker 2: you've never been a sing Yeah, so I read I

3126
02:42:44,800 --> 02:42:49,000
Speaker 2: read a book. He read a book about Santa Monica.

3127
02:42:49,080 --> 02:42:50,680
Speaker 2: He found out he was coming here like a day ago.

3128
02:42:51,080 --> 02:42:53,680
Speaker 2: This guy read a book on the terrain and like

3129
02:42:53,920 --> 02:42:57,320
Speaker 2: stories of Santa Monica too.

3130
02:42:57,320 --> 02:42:58,640
Speaker 3: Because you know early gentlemen.

3131
02:42:59,280 --> 02:43:01,360
Speaker 2: I mean this dude, it I love Ernie.

3132
02:43:01,440 --> 02:43:03,000
Speaker 3: I hope we crack a beer with Ernie tonight.

3133
02:43:04,000 --> 02:43:06,840
Speaker 2: Afterwards. We we we we we get some food and

3134
02:43:06,879 --> 02:43:09,120
Speaker 2: our dinner is going to be kind of close, cutting

3135
02:43:09,160 --> 02:43:11,120
Speaker 2: it close to you know, our heads and tails of

3136
02:43:11,200 --> 02:43:14,760
Speaker 2: the show. But he didn't want to spoil his dinner

3137
02:43:14,840 --> 02:43:17,600
Speaker 2: because he's got three hours pro move prove. But my

3138
02:43:17,720 --> 02:43:21,160
Speaker 2: guy took he took to chips and dips of of

3139
02:43:21,280 --> 02:43:25,000
Speaker 2: the the French onion, and he was eyeing that hairloom tomato.

3140
02:43:25,720 --> 02:43:27,320
Speaker 3: You see him, Yeah, you're offering it up.

3141
02:43:27,360 --> 02:43:30,879
Speaker 2: I offered it up for him. I think he had.

3142
02:43:31,040 --> 02:43:33,840
Speaker 2: He didn't. He didn't want to have bad manners. The

3143
02:43:33,920 --> 02:43:37,920
Speaker 2: only one into pieces he would he would have easily.

3144
02:43:38,800 --> 02:43:40,400
Speaker 2: He maybe would have thrown it in because I know

3145
02:43:40,560 --> 02:43:43,040
Speaker 2: him and Coach Belichick have that terrible etiquette. He put it,

3146
02:43:43,520 --> 02:43:45,800
Speaker 2: took that tomato and dipped it right in that ranch,

3147
02:43:46,400 --> 02:43:49,560
Speaker 2: just like build communal dip. No, but you can't go

3148
02:43:49,680 --> 02:43:53,640
Speaker 2: communal dip with a chip dip with a sloppy tomato.

3149
02:43:54,560 --> 02:43:55,840
Speaker 3: You dipped and you dipped again.

3150
02:43:56,760 --> 02:44:01,320
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, man, he his favorite game ever because

3151
02:44:01,360 --> 02:44:02,920
Speaker 2: it was the biggest team win.

3152
02:44:03,320 --> 02:44:04,400
Speaker 3: Coming out as a team.

3153
02:44:05,160 --> 02:44:08,200
Speaker 11: Ricky Poll in your face, buddy, man, that was that

3154
02:44:08,360 --> 02:44:10,000
Speaker 11: was such a That was a fun interview. Rick I

3155
02:44:10,040 --> 02:44:13,119
Speaker 11: love my journey remembered, Hey, my got from Ricky Poll.

3156
02:44:13,680 --> 02:44:15,640
Speaker 2: He went at John Madden a little too, he did.

3157
02:44:16,240 --> 02:44:18,520
Speaker 5: That's our second Tyler mentioned it before we got on

3158
02:44:19,000 --> 02:44:21,640
Speaker 5: our second. Guess it wasn't the biggest Madden Frien love.

3159
02:44:21,520 --> 02:44:22,480
Speaker 2: Madden, Love Madden.

3160
02:44:22,560 --> 02:44:23,039
Speaker 1: How long?

3161
02:44:26,640 --> 02:44:29,040
Speaker 2: Because this is some old you know, we've got to

3162
02:44:29,160 --> 02:44:32,400
Speaker 2: tap in. Now Here are games with names. We've got

3163
02:44:32,480 --> 02:44:39,360
Speaker 2: to tap in some like crazy cornerstone people of the

3164
02:44:39,480 --> 02:44:41,720
Speaker 2: National Football My god, damn, near the close to the

3165
02:44:41,800 --> 02:44:45,440
Speaker 2: beginning of the ship. But you know the the Terry Bradshaw's,

3166
02:44:46,080 --> 02:44:51,920
Speaker 2: the Ernie Adams, you know that that it's pretty crazy.

3167
02:44:52,240 --> 02:44:54,520
Speaker 5: We hadn't even doing this thing for We're still under

3168
02:44:54,560 --> 02:44:58,160
Speaker 5: fifty episodes in our six degrees of separation from NFL

3169
02:44:58,280 --> 02:45:00,360
Speaker 5: Royalty and NFL Greatness. In the start of this league,

3170
02:45:00,560 --> 02:45:03,840
Speaker 5: in the biggest moments of this league. Pretty darn impressive.

3171
02:45:05,000 --> 02:45:07,680
Speaker 1: Jeez, it's can I just say one negative thing?

3172
02:45:08,160 --> 02:45:11,240
Speaker 2: Just the yeah, but a bit of a rookie score.

3173
02:45:11,879 --> 02:45:13,960
Speaker 3: I knew you're gonna a bit of a rookie score you.

3174
02:45:14,800 --> 02:45:16,640
Speaker 1: I went with it because it's Ernie, right.

3175
02:45:17,160 --> 02:45:20,080
Speaker 2: He didn't he gave me star power down because we

3176
02:45:20,160 --> 02:45:21,199
Speaker 2: were a ten team.

3177
02:45:21,920 --> 02:45:26,000
Speaker 3: That's right. Maybe team first we not me? Wait, how

3178
02:45:26,120 --> 02:45:27,400
Speaker 3: close were you to correcting, Ernie?

3179
02:45:27,520 --> 02:45:28,800
Speaker 1: I thought it for one second.

3180
02:45:29,640 --> 02:45:30,240
Speaker 3: You lean forward.

3181
02:45:30,280 --> 02:45:32,000
Speaker 1: I thought it for one second, and then I was like, now.

3182
02:45:31,920 --> 02:45:33,400
Speaker 2: Do you think he had some in the chamber to

3183
02:45:33,480 --> 02:45:35,840
Speaker 2: battle you? For the argument?

3184
02:45:35,959 --> 02:45:39,720
Speaker 6: He probably scouted me a Terry Bradshaw episode. He's like,

3185
02:45:39,800 --> 02:45:42,000
Speaker 6: this motherfucker is gonna come in with some bullshit and

3186
02:45:42,080 --> 02:45:42,560
Speaker 6: I'm ready.

3187
02:45:42,680 --> 02:45:43,760
Speaker 2: Do you think he scouted us?

3188
02:45:44,240 --> 02:45:46,520
Speaker 1: The only question is does he have a YouTube account?

3189
02:45:46,720 --> 02:45:47,720
Speaker 2: He was looking for the camera.

3190
02:45:48,520 --> 02:45:49,320
Speaker 3: Lernie knew his camera.

3191
02:45:49,720 --> 02:45:50,560
Speaker 2: Ernie knew his cam.

3192
02:45:53,280 --> 02:45:55,000
Speaker 3: All right, this is he went to the Michael Urban

3193
02:45:55,040 --> 02:45:55,800
Speaker 3: School of broadcasting.

3194
02:45:55,879 --> 02:45:58,920
Speaker 2: Maybe this is at the end of camera, caw camera.

3195
02:45:59,040 --> 02:45:59,879
Speaker 1: Let's wrap this one up.

3196
02:46:00,040 --> 02:46:02,360
Speaker 2: We're gonna ask you. You don't talk to them. You

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Speaker 2: talked to you man, that was a fun interview. I

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Speaker 2: hope I want to try him again.

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Speaker 1: I would just want him to put in a good

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Speaker 1: word for us with Phill.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's domino effect. You know, we're just gonna

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Speaker 2: just gonna get all these you know, we got ty

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Speaker 2: Lock coming on. You get Rodney Harrison, get Rodney there.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we get a mccordy, maybe Cory.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you'll text Tom Brady at some point. And that's

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Speaker 1: a great show.

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Speaker 2: What another good show. And thank you to Ernie Adams,

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Speaker 2: New England Legend, football Legend, football Lore, Football Encyclopedia. It was.

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Speaker 2: That was awesome. Great to get to pick his brain.

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Speaker 2: I feel dumber after it. And that's been another episode

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