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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: We have an interesting topic to run down today. You're

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Speaker 3: And you get to see last week's like Wednesday episode

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Speaker 1: Very much so we'll see that, we'll see a topic

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Speaker 3: Yes, and that's happened to you before, happened a conversation

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Speaker 3: Different race, black preacher and he is being asked if

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Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone actually admits that. I think

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Speaker 1: No one says that. Everyone goes, you know, God first, God, God,

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Speaker 1: They have the power to arrest. They are the ruling

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Speaker 1: governance here. They arrest Peter and John because they're out

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Speaker 1: there speaking, and verse three says, and they arrested them

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Speaker 1: and put them in custody until the next day, for

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Speaker 1: it was already evening. But many of those who had

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Speaker 1: heard the word believed, and the number of the men

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Speaker 1: came to about five thousand. The church is growing, and

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Speaker 1: it's growing by preaching. People are hearing and believing, right,

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Speaker 1: so they're proclaiming the Gospel. People hear it and they believe.

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Speaker 1: At this point, Peter and John don't have any other

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Speaker 1: interest in life than being faithful and this mission, this

449
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Speaker 1: ministry to tell people to be reconciled to God. God

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Speaker 1: is calling all people to be reconciled to Him. Turn

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Speaker 1: from yourself, turn from your idols, and turn from Him.

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Speaker 1: And then now on the next day, they're rulers and

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Speaker 1: elders and scribes gathered together in Jerusalem, and Annas the

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Speaker 1: high priest, and Caiaphist, and John and Alexander and all

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Speaker 1: who are there in the high priestly family. This is

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Speaker 1: the whole body, the whole ruling body gets together, and

457
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Speaker 1: they're really angry at this. They pulled Peter in. He's

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Speaker 1: filled with the Holy Spirit. He tells them what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: He tells them the gospel. He says, Jesus Christ, whom

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Speaker 1: you crucified, you know. He calls them out verse thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Now the people saw the boldness of Peter and John

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Speaker 1: and perceived that they were uneducated common men, that they

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Speaker 1: were astonished. They recognized they'd been with Jesus. So they

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Speaker 1: saw this boldness of this same Peter that denied Jesus

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Speaker 1: in the garden just virtual weeks before this, right, So

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Speaker 1: they warn them down, I'm just kind of skimming here.

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Speaker 1: Verse seventeen. They warn them, do not speak of this anymore.

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Speaker 1: know we're giving you a command from governing authorities. Don't

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Speaker 1: do this anymore. Charge them not to speak or teach

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Speaker 1: at all in the name of Jesus. That's verse eighteen

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Speaker 1: and verse nineteen. Peter and John answered them, whether it

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Speaker 1: is right on the side of God to listen to

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Speaker 1: you rather than to God, you must judge, for we

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Speaker 1: cannot but speak of what we have seen and heard.

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Speaker 1: They are astonished by this boldness. And then if we

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Speaker 1: go to chapter five, this story kind of continues because

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Speaker 1: now these guys have this reputation. And chapter five, verse eighteen,

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Speaker 1: they arrested the apostles and put them in public prison.

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Speaker 1: So now these guys are still out preaching. They have

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Speaker 1: now gone against what has been said. But notice when

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Speaker 1: these guys get arrested, they don't resist the arrest. That's

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Speaker 1: an interesting thing we should see. There's never a resisting

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Speaker 1: of arrest. We will see Paul later in a few

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Speaker 1: chapters get let down in a basket outside of the

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Speaker 1: window when they know that they might be coming for them.

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Speaker 1: But then later Paul submits to being arrested. So you

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Speaker 1: see that they are boldly proclaiming Christ against the ruling authorities,

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Speaker 1: saying that we can't, we can't but speak Christ. But

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Speaker 1: when they come to arrest them and beat them, they submit.

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Speaker 1: They don't fight, They don't resist this. They don't run,

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Speaker 1: they don't form a militia, they don't form an army.

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Speaker 1: They don't even flee. They just go take me. But

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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, I'm I'm gonna keep speaking Christ. Right,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna take me. So in this instance, verse twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty eight, saying we strictly charged you not to preach

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Speaker 1: in the name. Yet you have, you have fuilled Jerusalem

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Speaker 1: with your teaching, and you intend to bring this man's

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Speaker 1: blood upon us. But Peter and the apostles answered, we

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Speaker 1: must obey God rather than men. Okay, So still they're

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Speaker 1: being bold in this way, but they don't resist the

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Speaker 1: governing authorities. This is so interesting, and it's so anti American.

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Speaker 1: Anti America says, we'll put man, I put my sword

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Speaker 1: in the sand. Come and take us. You know we

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Speaker 1: you know I've got my gun cocked ready to go.

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Speaker 1: You you come my property, I'm gonna blow your head.

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Speaker 1: You know this is the This is the mentality of

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Speaker 1: the American Christian essentially. So then if you look at

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Speaker 1: the end of Acts five, I promise I have a

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Speaker 1: point to this stuff. At the end of Acts five

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Speaker 1: they are in prison, and verse forty and when they

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Speaker 1: had called in the apostles, they beat them and charged

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Speaker 1: them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and

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Speaker 1: then they let them go Verse forty one. They left

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Speaker 1: the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted

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Speaker 1: worthy to suffer dishonor for the name verse forty two.

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Speaker 1: And every day in the temple and from house to

518
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Speaker 1: house they did not cease teaching and preaching that Christ

519
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Speaker 1: is Jesus. Fascinating stuff. We see this on and on

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Speaker 1: and on through the New Testament, especially as we can

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Speaker 1: kind of track this through the Book of Acts. They

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Speaker 1: are respectful to governing authorities, they submit to their leadership,

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Speaker 1: but they will not not preach. You know, a lot

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Speaker 1: of people listening to this podcast either own their own

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Speaker 1: a question. So this is the point I wanted to make.

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Speaker 1: Here's the question. These men were living in a persecuted

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Speaker 1: society beyond what we could possibly imagine. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: would be like Afghanistan level. Maybe maybe China, I can't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but like I'm talking Afghanistan level. Like you

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Speaker 1: say that again, you're in prison. We're going to beat you.

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Speaker 1: That kind of thing that doesn't happen in very many

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Speaker 1: countries today.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely not here.

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Speaker 1: Definitely not here or anywhere in Europe or you know,

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Speaker 1: or any any first world country. I wouldn't think so,

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Speaker 1: but the number was growing. People were hearing it and

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Speaker 1: believing it said five thousand, and then more thousands were

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Speaker 1: added to the number. The church is growing and they're

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Speaker 1: seeing this boldness. And this is all happening in a

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Speaker 1: context of heavy per secution. And so the Lord works

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Speaker 1: in all of these situations. So my question to you,

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Speaker 1: and I would have to ask myself, is do I

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Speaker 1: do I want to this is? This is complicated. What

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Speaker 1: I want to risk? What we'll call it islam America

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Speaker 1: transitioning into an Islamic country? Would I want to resist

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Speaker 1: that and fight that for the sake of my children

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Speaker 1: so that my children don't grow up going to the

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Speaker 1: square in Georgetown and hearing the mosque five times a

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Speaker 1: day calling to prayer and having even even worse, let's

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Speaker 1: go even further. No, it would be dangerous to carry

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Speaker 1: a Bible. You don't want to be caught praying because

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Speaker 1: you're and it's somebody from a governing authority is going

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Speaker 1: to talk to you. What I when I fight that,

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Speaker 1: or what I want to propagate Where we are today

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Speaker 1: in a country where Christianity is so nominal and you

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Speaker 1: can carry your Bible but it doesn't really matter. And

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Speaker 1: you could pray because everybody they pray it a NASCAR events.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean anything. You could say. You could say God.

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Speaker 1: The President says that this is like, this is very complicated, right,

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Speaker 1: I don't I'm gonna I want to hear your answer

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Speaker 1: to this. But but what we what we see is

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Speaker 1: God uses these and we should probably do another podcast

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Speaker 1: to continue this idea, especially if people want further me

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Speaker 1: to explain further. But as in history, as things get

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Speaker 1: easier to worship Christ and you have more freedom to

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Speaker 1: do it, nominalism grows wild. But as it's squeezed by

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Speaker 1: and oppressed by a evil power, Christianity strengthens and spreads

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Speaker 1: and grows. Like we're seeing an Iran right now, We're

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Speaker 1: seeing in China right now, and what's coming this way darkness,

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Speaker 1: you know. So that's my question to you and question

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Speaker 1: anyone else that wants to comment. So your question to me,

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Speaker 1: my question would be resists with force politically publicly, even

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Speaker 1: with your even with your first your second amendment, right,

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Speaker 1: would you resist an onsought of any kind of oppressive ideology,

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Speaker 1: namely Islam? Yeah, because that's what I'm seeing right now

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Speaker 1: a lot on social media's pastures speaking out against the

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Speaker 1: rise of Islam and Muslims in America. Or should we

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Speaker 1: be so blessed to be persecuted for the name, because

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Speaker 1: it is not a blessing to live in abundance without hindrance.

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Speaker 1: Because God has blessed me with a beach house in

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Speaker 1: Florida and a big bank account so that I could

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Speaker 1: take vacations and retire, and they'll put a nice Bible

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Speaker 1: verse on my tombstone.

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Speaker 3: Right the second Amendment part would be the part what

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Speaker 3: I would resist, you know, saying that I would take

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Speaker 3: up arms for I think that's really where we get

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Speaker 3: into dangerous comments and where I say in comments are

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Speaker 3: just comments until comments become actions. And I think there's

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Speaker 3: we were I think in that aspect, it's jumping from

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Speaker 3: A to Z. Yeah, there is, And there's conversations, there's voting, there's.

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Speaker 1: Trying to get an answer from you. I'm more so

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Speaker 1: just as I'm cultivating. I'm cultivating for a harvest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that, and also just just for thought.

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Speaker 3: I mean, think about it. See, I think that what

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Speaker 3: we do, we do this a lot we do a

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Speaker 3: to Z A lot, Yeah, a lot, that's and we

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Speaker 3: do we go.

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Speaker 4: You know, by God, that ain't happening here. You know

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Speaker 4: I got I got enough am to take all care

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Speaker 4: of it all one. You don't. Have you ever seen

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Speaker 4: a tank like?

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Speaker 3: No, you probably won't even get loaded by the time

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Speaker 3: that that that thing takes off. But the point is, like,

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Speaker 3: have you stopped responding emotionally and started thinking, Lord, I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna stop for a second and listen. What do you

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Speaker 3: have for me? What do you want for me?

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Speaker 4: Is it persecure? Right now?

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Speaker 1: Let's go time out and I'm not time out. Pause.

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Speaker 1: We're not saying to seek persecution. Yes, that would, that would.

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Speaker 1: That's a big difference here, and so yeah, please don't

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Speaker 1: hear me if anyone's listening seeking persecution.

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Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't take I didn't take that part

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Speaker 4: from you. But you know, I kind of.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I could turn the question back around and go

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Speaker 3: because we're seeing this right now, there's a hurricane developing,

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Speaker 3: it's heading towards you. You have time to do something

653
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Speaker 3: about your house, and you have something to time to

654
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Speaker 3: do about your family and to preserve what God has

655
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 3: blessed you with. Yes, material things, but then other things

656
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 3: as well. Do you do what you can to pack

657
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 3: up and get in that car and leave, or do

658
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: you help others back up and board up their houses

659
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: and to protect what they've done?

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Speaker 4: What's your first thought?

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Speaker 1: Well, are we really talking about hurricanes or is this

662
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Speaker 1: an illustration for it?

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Speaker 3: It's an illustration for both, because like, if you see

664
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Speaker 3: it coming, what do you do? Because you can if

665
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Speaker 3: if if people say, oh, I can see it coming,

666
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 3: I can see you know, Islam taking over New York

667
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 3: right now with the governor right yes, So if you

668
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 3: see it, what are you doing complaining? Are you on

669
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Speaker 3: Facebook dropping comments? Are you inciting people to riot? Are

670
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 3: you or are you doing something that?

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00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 4: I mean?

672
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 3: The Bible does call us to fight evil, to fight

673
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Speaker 3: against things that we don't see in this world.

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Speaker 1: Define how you would fight evil?

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Speaker 4: Biblicans praying share people hear that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's what people hear when you say

677
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: fight evil. I know what you mean because I know you.

678
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you.

679
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: Say the Bible calls us to fight evil, I don't

680
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: think people immediately go yeah, on your knees, baby with.

681
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Speaker 4: Your Second Amendment. Grange, No, that's not I'm joking. I'm joking.

682
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Speaker 4: I'm joking.

683
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 3: That's not what I mean at all. No, I definitely

684
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: mean that are you are you are you witnessing to

685
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 3: that person that you think that is on the opposite

686
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 3: side that you put out your American flag on the

687
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 3: fourth of July and they didn't. And you're like, well,

688
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: hang on, now we're back to our definitions of Christian nationalists. Well, like,

689
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 3: but are are you praying for them? Are you witnessing

690
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 3: to them by your life? Are you there when they're

691
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: in need? Are you there when they're hurting? Are you

692
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 3: are you kind when they're not? Are everything that the

693
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 3: Bible calls us to be and that we fight in

694
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Speaker 3: an unseen world that is not against flesh and blood,

695
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: that is against the rulers of the principalities of the air,

696
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 3: You know, that's what are you doing about?

697
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 4: That? Is my question?

698
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 3: If you see a hurricane coming, are you helping people

699
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 3: board up their home or you'd get just getting out? Yeah,

700
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 3: so it's kind of for me, it's kind of the

701
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 3: same question.

702
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: Or are you you're staking your ground and boarding up

703
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: your house and going into your basement? Sure you know

704
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: the same thing.

705
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 3: As the same Yeah, you're just you're you're escaping that

706
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 3: and you're the only one that's saved.

707
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 4: Or are you helping others?

708
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: And do you look at what we're showing this Islam thing.

709
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: We'll just stick with it. Do you look at them

710
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: as the enemy or that they are influenced by another enemy?

711
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 4: Sure? Yeah, it's it's more of them influenced by that.

712
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: Would you look at them as an opportunity, as someone

713
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Speaker 1: who's lost who could see the light?

714
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Speaker 4: I would say, after thought and prayer, I would think that.

715
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 3: I think immediately a lot of us and I'll I

716
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: say a lot of us, I mean me and then

717
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 3: anyone else who chooses to be honest about it is

718
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: they'll go. First thing you think is that that's my enemy,

719
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Speaker 3: but they're not your enemy.

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Speaker 1: I am. I'm probably weird. That's maybe that's the best word.

721
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm weird with this stuff, Like I Amber and I

722
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: will go to Arab restaurants where it says all eyes

723
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: is is God.

724
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Speaker 4: I don't think that's weird.

725
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: To be able to meet these people when I'm in

726
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: Arab countries. I also just have a love for the

727
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: Arab people. I've told you this before on text. I'm

728
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: a little biased because I have a little I have

729
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: a love for Latin culture and Arabic people for whatever reason.

730
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 4: Well that's a calling you.

731
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: But when I'm in an Arabic country, I feel, in

732
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: some ways, I feel alive in the faith. I feel

733
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: I feel closer to the Lord. I was telling mar

734
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: of this yesterday and he was like why, And I

735
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: didn't tell him why yet I'm kind of telling him now,

736
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: I guess. But when I hear a mosque what they

737
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: call the prayer, I just feel, I feel the Lord.

738
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: My prayers deepen, I get clarity, I get goosebumps on

739
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Speaker 1: my arms. It's like everything is now the spiritual battle

740
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: that already exists around us is is heightened, and I

741
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: feel the hypercolor in clarity around me. And I'm recognizing.

742
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: I recognize when I hear I called a prayer in

743
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Speaker 1: a mosque, I can a loud speaker. I recognize my need,

744
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: my proximity to evil, my proximity to the Prince of

745
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: the power of the air. Here Satan, who's the king

746
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: of the world. Right now, I feel my proximity to that,

747
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: therefore my closeness to the Lord. And I'll pray every time,

748
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: every time those called it like, for instance, I a

749
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Speaker 1: sleep one time and this was I think in Dubai

750
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: woke up, they would do the call to prayer about

751
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: four thirty in the morning, okay, And I just made

752
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Speaker 1: it a habit that every time it woke me up,

753
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: because you're sleeping with the windows open and stuff, and

754
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: it's just very loud. You can't avoid it. So I

755
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: would just make it, make it a thing when that

756
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: woke me up, which I looked at it as a

757
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: demonic voice, then I would start praying to the Lord.

758
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Speaker 4: That's cool.

759
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: And and I just feel I have I have a desire,

760
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: maybe a strange one, that my kids would feel that

761
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 1: kind of urgency and not be lulled to sleep, which

762
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: is much more of a demonic tactic on us, that

763
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: you could just be lulled to sleep by just nice

764
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: little suburban lives with no pressure. Just you want to

765
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: go to church, go if not, if you're not, if

766
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: you have a headache, don't go to church. You read

767
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: your Bible, but don't be a Bible thumper. You know. Oh,

768
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: it's more about loving people to the truth. And you know,

769
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: we're living a Christian nation that you just slow yourself

770
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: to sleep the demonic battle that's waging around you just

771
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: becomes less clear, a little blurry, and we don't Maybe

772
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: I should say me, I don't. I don't feel it.

773
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: I don't feel the battle. I don't feel the urgency.

774
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: And so when dearborn Michigan is freaking out on social

775
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: media because a mosque is now there, sure, I just

776
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: think what an opportunity for those people to witness, to

777
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: reach out, to have them over for dinner, a Muslim family,

778
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: and on top of all that, to feel the urgency

779
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: in the air around them.

780
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: Well, I think that that's clarity of a lot of

781
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 3: what the Lord has shown you, you know. And I

782
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 3: think that the only way to explain that is it's

783
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 3: hard to understand what you haven't seen and to see

784
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 3: potential and see promise in something that others don't and

785
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: see despair and see trouble. They haven't gone through trouble,

786
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 3: and so when they see trouble, they have trouble. When

787
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 3: you've gone to the virtually at the end of the

788
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 3: earth in despair, and when you've gone to the end

789
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 3: of the earth, to the edge of death yourself you

790
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 3: feel inside, then everything looking back has so much clarity

791
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: it's like hindsight in twenty twenty. Well, I mean, you know,

792
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 3: you've gone all the way to the edge, and it's

793
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 3: easier for you to look. And the reason the Lord

794
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 3: has taken you there is to give you a little

795
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: glimpse of what he sees an eternity. He sees both directions,

796
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: all directions, not both, but in the past, in the future, up, down, left, right,

797
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 3: every direction there is, he knows, he knows, And we

798
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 3: only have one ford or two forward and backwards.

799
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 4: We can look back at what we've done and what

800
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 4: he's carried us through, or we can look at forward

801
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 4: in the unknown, and that's all we have. Unless you've

802
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 4: been one that he's taken further than many many others.

803
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 4: And I believe that that's what he's done with you.

804
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 4: He's taken you through the worst of the worst to go.

805
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 4: And I was with you. See I told you I

806
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 4: never leave your forsake you.

807
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,479
Speaker 3: And when you thought it was the end, I was there,

808
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 3: And I was there back at the beginning too. So

809
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 3: when you look at things, you have a way different

810
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 3: perspective than a lot of people who what's cool is

811
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 3: that you can share with us what you see.

812
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 4: Who sees and.

813
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 3: Hears a mosque as a Christian in America who hears

814
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 3: a call to prayer from a mosque and goes, that's

815
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 3: opportunity only someone who's seen the promise.

816
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I don't want to be I don't want

817
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: to feel like I have some kind of high ground.

818
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 3: And I think it would maybe feel that if you

819
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 3: said this, and I don't know why I just said that.

820
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I think losing river with Amber and I

821
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: we have both, We have said this many times. It

822
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: just it felt like the thing that the fat was trimmed,

823
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: you know, things that mattered, mattered, things that didn't all

824
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: of a sudden didn't, and there was less gray in between,

825
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: there was less gray area. And when the Lord took

826
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: hold of her heart with the Gospel and and just

827
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: a just a love, a love for his word, and

828
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: a joy, a joy in the in the presence of

829
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: Him and in fellowship with him, then that began to be

830
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: stronger than any other pleasure offered by this earth. And

831
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: so I don't Yeah, I don't want to encourage it's

832
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: some kind of radicalism of we should sell everything and

833
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: we should go live in a third world country. I

834
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 1: hope that that's not my argument.

835
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 3: I didn't take that if and you can. And we

836
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 3: told you at the beginning of this is us having

837
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 3: a conversation. This is us having a conversation.

838
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. We've actually gone we should probably

839
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: do another one.

840
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 4: How many times have you have you said? Yeah, but

841
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 4: the way you say that, it.

842
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 3: Sounds like this, Okay, I'll take that, And I've said

843
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 3: that to you, and I don't think what Maybe what

844
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 3: I just shared was your reflection to me. It's what

845
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 3: I feel the Lord has given a revolution of to me.

846
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 3: Is that I know why you view some things the

847
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 3: way you do because I haven't. I haven't. I'll say

848
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 3: this one. You and I went to Israel. You know

849
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 3: what I never did. I never went to the Mount

850
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 3: of Olives. I can't tell you what it looks like

851
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 3: from the Mount of Bolives, but I know what it

852
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 3: looks like from your perspective.

853
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: Now, why didn't you go?

854
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 4: I don't think I realized that I was also working.

855
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 3: We both were, but I was also working on some

856
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 3: things on the show on after midnight stuff we had

857
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 3: to do, and you guys would go early in the morning,

858
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,760
Speaker 3: so I would either catch up or meet you guys,

859
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 3: and then we would meet at the wall or whatever,

860
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 3: you know, whatever the case was.

861
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 4: Wherever we would we'd end up meeting later.

862
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 3: And and and the times that you went, I just

863
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 3: never went. I should have. That's the only part like

864
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 3: I don't. I didn't want to swim in the dead sea.

865
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 3: I was good with that said even.

866
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 4: Said that you go. Are you gonna look back and go? Man,

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Speaker 4: I wish i'd done that. Now, I'm good.

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Speaker 3: I didn't need to get I do miss not going

869
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Speaker 3: to the Mount of Olives.

870
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Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, I.

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Speaker 3: Got I feel now I just got to go back

872
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Speaker 3: to go do that. But what I my point back

873
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 3: being again, you didn't introduce that that perspective to have

874
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 3: some kind of higher ground or some and and I

875
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: don't want to put something on you that you that

876
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 3: you that you feel that's a burden to you, how

877
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 3: about that, But what your perspective of just let's just

878
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 3: say of that gave it. I have a perspective of

879
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: now through you, and same with some of the other

880
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 3: stuff that you share. Just like this, I can see

881
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 3: that perspective now the way you explain it. And I

882
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 3: can see that when I if I hear a call

883
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 3: to prayer from a from a mosque. I'm not going

884
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 3: to think, oh my God, here comes the devil. I'm

885
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 3: gonna go man. I remember grange'er not talking about and

886
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 3: he talked about opportunity that will come to mind.

887
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Speaker 1: Now I heard that in Michigan. They're they're actually playing that.

888
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: Now they're they're playing the loud speaker and listen. People

889
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: are going to find despair in that. And maybe you're

890
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: someone who's in Michigan who hears that, and here's this podcast.

891
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: Reposition your mind to be in line with the Word

892
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 1: of God. One reason I love Jerusalem and it's it's

893
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: not because of some eschatological you know, relevance of Israel

894
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: and God, and it's not that. It's just let's just

895
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: take that out of it. That's a different podcast at

896
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: a different time. What I love about Jerusalem is the

897
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: spiritual tension is so high. It's so concentrated because you

898
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: have these you know, like these ultra alter Orthodox people

899
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: walking around in their robes, and then you have these

900
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: these the Jews that are that are the the high

901
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 1: rabbis that you don't see like a high rabbi walking

902
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: around in America. And then you see the the the Arab,

903
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: the Muslim that is got Matt. You know his face

904
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: has been pressed to the mat because he's been praying,

905
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: and you just feel it in the air. And there's

906
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: you know, in the old city there I remember in

907
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 1: the in the Muslim quarter. The if you go deepen

908
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 1: up in that Muslim quarter, there's nothing but Muslims in there,

909
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: and it there is a sense that there is it

910
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: should be dangerous. In fact, there's the Jewish IDF soldiers

911
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: will guard it on either side with their guns and

912
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: they look at you. If I'm walking in, I'm a

913
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: white guy walking in. They look at me like you

914
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: sure you want to do that? You know where you're going,

915
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: You understand where you're going.

916
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 4: Yes, I do.

917
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: And there was a time when I was back there

918
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: one day, deep in the Muslim quarter and there was

919
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: a spice shop. There was a woman in there that

920
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: was pregnant. I don't know if this was on a

921
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: trip you're with me or not, but there was a woman.

922
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: She was pregnant and she was with her husband in

923
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: the spy shop. The husband owned it and they were

924
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: nervous about bringing a baby in, and we told him

925
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: a gospel. So then I went again in about eight

926
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Speaker 1: months six months after that, and I went to them,

927
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: I went looking for that man, and they stopped. The

928
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: IDF stopped me and said it might not be a

929
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: good time to go, And I said, I have to go.

930
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm looking for I'm looking for a man. And I

931
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: went through there, and you could feel the tension ey

932
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: as you're looking at you could feel the IDF just

933
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: talked to me and I and I didn't feel I

934
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: didn't feel in danger, but it was culturally almost culturally inappropriate.

935
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Speaker 1: And so what I do, I'm literally praying with every

936
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Speaker 1: footstep on that old ancient cobblestone, every footstep is it

937
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: is that I'm taking refuge in him? Ye, Lord, it

938
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: did you. You're You're my strength. Lord, I'm looking for

939
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: a man. If he's here, Lord, you're taking me to him.

940
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: I trust you. I take my refuge in you. I

941
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: thirst for you like a dry and weary land where

942
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: there is no water. This is the kind of those

943
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: are the the intensity of prayers that you just don't

944
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: get into. At a flag football game with Lincoln in America,

945
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: and I went and I did a couple of zig zags,

946
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: and I could not and I could not find that

947
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: spy shop until all of a sudden it turned a

948
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: corner and there it was, and there he was, and

949
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: he remembered me right off. Oh wow, And he embraced

950
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: me and and I sat with him and talked and

951
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: he said, he said, I remember, I remember Jesus and

952
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 1: you told me and in the cross, and I had

953
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 1: new Arabic literature with me, and he saw it again

954
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: and and then this time he we exchanged WhatsApp numbers,

955
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: which occasionally we still talk, but then but it felt

956
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: worth it. He saw me and he loved me. I

957
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: was like a brother to him, and he knew I

958
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: was a Christian and probably most Christians probably hate him,

959
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: and he probably hates them. And he had a look

960
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: about him too, like an intense and intense you know.

961
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 3: There's lots of intense looks on both like on everybody.

962
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 3: When you say there was the feeling, there's also the

963
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 3: outward expression of a lot of people there.

964
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And these are the things I want. I want

965
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: Lincoln in Maverick, and I don't say it as much

966
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: for London, but I want them to see that. And

967
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: then I think, so it is it a horrible thing

968
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: that more and more cities are getting most right, you see,

969
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: this is a horrible I'm like, how is this bad?

970
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: I'm seeing these past going off on Instagram like Christians,

971
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, wake up, get to the polls and vote,

972
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: you do what's happening in the wave of Islam's coming.

973
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think back to the moment on the cobblestone,

974
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: and some things that get some things that get me

975
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: every time as I think, what if one day, Lord

976
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,919
Speaker 1: in Heaven, a man walks up to me and says,

977
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: it was you, It was you, Yeah, that told me,

978
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: told me the truth, right, you know? And I think

979
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: I think that quite a bit. And what what a day?

980
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: If are we living for that day? Are we living

981
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: for the peace and prosperity of this day?

982
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 4: Which?

983
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: Which day are we living for? I think that the

984
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: answer to that would reveal the way we really think

985
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: about God.

986
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 4: I think the answer that for most people too is well,

987
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 4: I say for most, I shouldn't say most. I think

988
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 4: I'll say for me. How about that? That's what I

989
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 4: can give an honest answer on us both it's both

990
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 4: is now and then something just nudges you and go.

991
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: But what about let's sue this again? See another show

992
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: like this.

993
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm in.

994
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: I think we still have a lot of ideas we

995
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: didn't even get to.

996
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 4: And by the way, we do have. So this is

997
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 4: something new.

998
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 3: We have a new episode that's going to be completely

999
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 3: different than this that is a video reaction podcast that

1000
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 3: we'll be coming out on Wednesday.

1001
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: Is it about something like this?

1002
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 4: No?

1003
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: Okay?

1004
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 4: Good?

1005
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 3: And then we have on Friday Friday Q and A

1006
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 3: okay that's coming up with this Friday. So I hope

1007
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,439
Speaker 3: you enjoyed it last week, hope you enjoyed it this week.

1008
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 3: And yeah, I'll just see what God does with it.

1009
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: That's all we got. We'll see you next time. Thank

1010
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: you so much for hanging out with me on this

1011
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: episode of the Grangersmith podcast. I appreciate you being here.

1012
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,360
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1020
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1021
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Speaker 1: I'd love to hear from you. Thanks again for being here.

1022
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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 4: Ye y.