1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: my name is Noman. 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We are joined as always with 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 3: our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 3: you are you. You are here. That makes this the 10 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know. This is one 11 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 3: of the most exciting evenings of the week for us, 12 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: your faithful correspondence, we get to hear directly from you. Tonight. 13 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 3: We are going to explore a place that has fascinated 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 3: us for many, many years. We are going to learn 15 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 3: about dangerous chemical exposures to veterans and to civilians across 16 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 3: the world. We're gonna ask some questions about why the 17 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 3: United Kingdom is getting so creepy around possible disasters. Before 18 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 3: we we're gonna we're also gonna hear some conversations about 19 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: airplane safety. We're gonna hear from soup sandwich. Before we 20 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 3: do any of that, let's go to Oh God, Matt, 21 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 3: you remember years and years ago went through that North 22 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 3: Sentinel Island phase. Wanted to go so bad, wanted to 23 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 3: go so bad, you can't. 24 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 4: Go, don't go, shouldn't go, You shouldn't go. 25 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: And Big Purp, Big Purp has a really cool thing 26 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 3: that really stuck out to you, Neil, which also no spoilers, 27 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 3: reminds me a little bit of some conversations we had 28 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 3: about the nature of language at. 29 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, it reminds me a lot of the film Arrival 30 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 4: by Villanil Denis Virneuve, which posits that aliens, if they 31 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 4: were paying attention to us and they did come and 32 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 4: visit us, would have no analog to what our language 33 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 4: might be, and it would be up to us to 34 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,839 Speaker 4: figure out what their language was. And I think Big 35 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 4: Purp really nails something, whether a thought experiment or a 36 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 4: real thing or not. I think it's very cool. Hey, guys, 37 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 4: call me Big Perp and feel free to use this 38 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 4: if you want. I would love to hear your thoughts 39 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 4: on this. These are, by the way, some of our 40 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 4: favorite types of listener mails, where we get a lot 41 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 4: of information, a lot of like your thoughts and rabbit holings, 42 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 4: and then we get to just sort of like bandy 43 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 4: it about for like fifteen minutes. I only discovered your 44 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 4: show about two years ago, and it has become one 45 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 4: of my weekly must listens. As a newcomer, I also 46 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 4: have the benefit of enjoying classic episodes as they were 47 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 4: just dropped, which feels like double the STDWYTK content each week. 48 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 4: Very nice, well it is, technically, but thank you. Glad 49 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 4: that someone's paying attention. Earlier this evening, I listened to 50 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 4: the classic North Sentinel Island episode for the first time. However, 51 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 4: I was already quite familiar with the topic back when 52 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 4: I first heard of the Sentineleese, which is actually a 53 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 4: new term to me. Maybe we've mentioned it in the episode, 54 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 4: but I did not recall that. I was flabbergasted that 55 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 4: such people could still exist in the twenty first century. 56 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 4: I think that's partially why the story is so fascinating 57 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 4: to all of us. So I read up. That was me, 58 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 4: So I read up on all of them, and eventually 59 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 4: came to one simple conclusion. We should all leave them 60 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 4: alone forever. Period. During the episode, you discussed their language 61 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 4: and the fact that it's completely unintelligible even to tribes 62 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 4: of nearby islands. I hadn't given it much thought when 63 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 4: I first studied the topic, but your comment about their 64 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 4: speech developing without any outside influence makes me think that 65 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 4: it's just possible that someday the tiny population of NSI, 66 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 4: North Island could have a life changing impact on every 67 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 4: single person residing on planet Earth. And Guys, when I 68 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 4: was reading this email, I think we all go through this. 69 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 4: We like look through emails and we're always looking for 70 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 4: like a gatcha moment or an aha like thing. That 71 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 4: was it for me, life changing impact on every single 72 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 4: person on planet Earth. How could such a niche thing 73 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 4: have such a great impact potentially on the rest of us. 74 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 4: Big Purp goes on. If we aren't alone in the 75 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 4: universe and another species travels here to interact with us, 76 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 4: what are the odds that we would have any chance 77 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 4: of understanding each other? One could assume that the people 78 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 4: of a faraway planet would also intermingle as they develop, 79 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 4: and would have similar languages all over their world, much 80 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 4: the same as we do here. Surely they would recognize 81 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 4: a dialect of their planet that they aren't fluent in 82 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 4: the same way an English speaker can recognize Spanish, German, Italian, 83 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 4: et cetera without being able to understand a word of it. 84 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 4: This is so smart, but would they be able to 85 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 4: make any sense of it? What if the North Sentinelese 86 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 4: have developed a language closer to that of an alien 87 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 4: race than any dialect of the modern world. Could a 88 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 4: deep dive study of these people possibly help us to 89 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 4: be better prepared for a visit from beyond our galaxy? 90 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 4: Would it be worthwhile to the human race as a 91 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 4: whole to force a small number of the force I 92 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 4: don't care for that word of the NSI population to 93 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 4: communicate with us. Should we study them with spy technology 94 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 4: attached to drones? Is it better to just leave them 95 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 4: alone and let the alien visitors be the first completely 96 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 4: unknown language we have to scramble to understand. Personally, I 97 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 4: lean towards the drone spy option, but I have to 98 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 4: wonder if we could actually make any progress without a 99 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 4: person to work with face TOI face to make sure 100 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 4: we understand each other. I would also feel horrible knowing 101 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 4: that we contaminated and probably killed an innocent person just 102 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 4: to prepare for guests that may never arrive. And this 103 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 4: is all I can think about now. It was so 104 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 4: much easier to want to leave them alone before I 105 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 4: thought of this, And that's what I love about your podcast. 106 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 4: Thank you. Keep up the good work, guys, and thanks 107 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 4: for the informative stuff to keep my brain on its toes, 108 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 4: Big Purp. First of all, love the idea of brains 109 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 4: having toes. I yield my time, guys, this is so fun. 110 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 4: I don't even want to start. 111 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 2: Oh well, okay, well it's a little maybe I'm just 112 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: not fully feeling it in the same way I do. 113 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:47,799 Speaker 2: Like this, Big Purp. I like this idea. 114 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 4: I think thought experiment, That's what it is. 115 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: No, it is a great thought experience, I think. Because 116 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: it's humans that have roughly the same hardware that everybody 117 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: else does, studying a language is going to be very different. 118 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 2: It's not gonna have the same applic application. I think 119 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: that we're talking about here, because we have no idea 120 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: what the hardware is gonna look like on some other 121 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: species that visited us. Right, yeah, but again, the process 122 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: of translating and learning a completely new language that we 123 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 2: have no reference for could be a great exercise, right, 124 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: and that's been done in the past. 125 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 4: Think about faral kids, for example, that like maybe grow 126 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 4: up not having any exposure to the outside world, and 127 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 4: then how do we interact with them? What is it 128 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 4: that their hardware naturally inclines them to do? Sorry, was 129 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 4: that too much of. 130 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: A right, Oh, no, I'm just thinking about it. 131 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 4: It's similar, right, Remember there are stories of like kids 132 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 4: that have never been like kept like in Mowgli. 133 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I know what you're talking about there. Yeah, 134 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 2: I was thinking more about just indigenous populations when they 135 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: encountered like Spanish or European colonizers for the first time 136 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 2: and just have a completely different form of language and 137 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: having to learn that right on both sides. 138 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 4: I don't know. 139 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm kind of a species thing. 140 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 4: I think Matt, You're you're totally right in the language 141 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 4: springs from function, and we use language because we as earthlings, 142 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 4: even like millennia ago, have a certain environment and we 143 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 4: cannot possibly assume that an alien species would have an 144 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 4: environment anywhere related. 145 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that point. And what I like 146 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 3: about this big per first off, is your interest in 147 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 3: North Sentinel Island. North Sentinel Island is not the entirety 148 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 3: of the Sentinelese population. There is there are other islands 149 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 3: where Sentinalese people live and their language does share a 150 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 3: bit of imagined I guess etymology or commonality, the same 151 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 3: way that in European languages right, are mutually unintelligible now, 152 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 3: but do have some common roots. And I love the 153 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 3: idea to obviously shout out to every fellow conspiracy realist 154 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: who is immediately thinking through the science fiction examples of 155 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: exploration of language, right, shout out to Neil Stevenson's Anathema, 156 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 3: which does something quite common in science fiction, positing that 157 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 3: math would be the universal language. To your excellent observation, Matt, 158 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 3: there's this idea of, like the hardware aspect, humans communicate 159 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 3: through their existing senses, right, being able to read, being 160 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: able to hear and transmit sound. What if there is 161 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 3: what if there's a space faring civilization or a situation 162 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: that communicates entirely through smell or taste or touch, How 163 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 3: would one translate? What's the rosetta s for that? 164 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 4: One? 165 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: And one thing that I think is really really cool 166 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 3: here too, is the idea of what would be called 167 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 3: maybe an original language, an untouched language. There's a guy 168 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 3: named There's a guy named King James four. Don't find 169 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 3: him on Twitter. He's very very dead, and he was 170 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 3: one of those dudes who said, what if we raise 171 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 3: someone to your point, Noel, like raise someone with no 172 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 3: access to existing languages. 173 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 4: But if we. 174 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 3: Create feral children, will they then naturally iterate a language 175 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 3: like the quote unquote original language? Is there an original language? 176 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 3: And this is way before there were any ethical constraints 177 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 3: on those kind of experiments. 178 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 4: But it would still spring from being a being with 179 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 4: two arms and two legs, you know what I mean? 180 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the idea, Like the original language idea is 181 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 3: if these people weren't being quote or these children right, 182 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 3: Because there is the big thing about feral children, to 183 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 3: your point, they are real throughout history. The big thing 184 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 3: is the cognitive developmental window of learning a language. Now, 185 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: the more romanticized version is like the romulus and remiss 186 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 3: kind of thing, like the kids get raised by wolves 187 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 3: and go on to found great civilizations. But the more 188 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 3: common real life examples of this are sadly neglected and 189 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 3: abused children who don't get the interaction required to become 190 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 3: part of a society to learn some sort of language, 191 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 3: and after a certain window of development, they lose the 192 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 3: ability to learn a language. That's why, no matter what 193 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 3: kind of polyglot you are. There are certain languages, certain 194 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 3: phonemes or morphemes, sounds that you cannot reproduce if you 195 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 3: did not learn the language during that window, and I 196 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 3: think that is endlessly fascinating. Also, don't go to Norse 197 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 3: set in the. 198 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 4: Line, probably a movie that didn't age super well, but 199 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 4: remember Nell was about them with Jodie Foster, where she 200 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 4: sort of had her own little phrases and expressions. 201 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 2: Something about in the wind that's the. 202 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 4: Only one anyone remembers. But also, you know, it's funny. 203 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 4: We are you guys familiar with the Miracle Worker? Yes, 204 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 4: so that's a story about someone that's lacking a sense 205 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 4: and then kind of creates their own language. And a 206 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 4: lot of times when people that can't actually hear but 207 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 4: can still speak, they formulate syllables and almost create like 208 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 4: a language that isn't necessarily the same, but it's sort 209 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 4: of based on the same foundation of the language the 210 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 4: rest of us, you know, are using. But that's largely 211 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 4: because they're taught by someone that does have all of 212 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 4: their senses, and it's teaching them based on that. So 213 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 4: you have to wonder, in a vacuum, if we had 214 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 4: a whole group of people that like, couldn't hear would 215 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 4: they formulate a completely different language without any input? 216 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 3: Absolutely, The key is the social dynamic, the need to 217 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 3: communicate with one perceived as peers. Unfortunately, in addition to language, 218 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 3: there will also be the generation of hierarchy, which is 219 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 3: kind of bad for civilization. But I like the reason 220 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 3: I'm shouting out King James of Scotland in particular is 221 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 3: because several years ago on a sister show of Ours 222 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 3: Ridiculous History, we talked about these language experiments and North 223 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 3: Sentinel Island gets again. These folks get romanticized pretty often, unfortunately, 224 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 3: and that romanticization is the kind of things that it's 225 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 3: the kind of phenomenon I would say that will lead 226 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 3: very well intentioned and people like the late Christian missionary 227 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 3: a few years back, to attempt to intrude upon their 228 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 3: organization or their community. Is also incredibly important to nuke 229 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 3: Big Purp. I can't remember if we got to it 230 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 3: in our original video on YouTube or if we got 231 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 3: to it in an episode, but is important to note 232 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 3: that in the eighteen hundreds European colonizers, to your point, 233 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 3: Matt did not only intrude upon the community of North 234 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 3: Centinel Island. They abducted several people, They transmitted pathogens, they 235 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 3: poisoned the community, and people got sick, they got burned. 236 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 3: Of course, these folks may not, you know, be on 237 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 3: TikTok or whatever, but they're just as intelligent as every 238 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 3: other living human being. So of course they're not going 239 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 3: to want to mess with these folks anymore. 240 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 4: Well, and my final thought here is that, you know, 241 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 4: once again we returned to science fiction. Oftentimes, conflicts in 242 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 4: science fiction between let's say, like a Star Trek type 243 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 4: situation result from not being able to understand each other 244 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 4: and misinterpretation of intent. And that you know, one could 245 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 4: argue this missionary going to North Central Island did not 246 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 4: go there to do them harm. He was not going 247 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 4: there to colonize them or try to convert them, well 248 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 4: arguable whatever, but they saw him as a as a 249 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 4: dangerous interloper, and they dealt with him as such. 250 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 3: And John allen Chow was in his mind he was 251 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 3: attempting to save them, no proselytizing for Christian religion. 252 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 4: But he wasn't going to infect them with the plague. 253 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 4: Right at the very least, you know, maybe a plague 254 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 4: of the mind. 255 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 2: Perhaps, so we're saying we need to send in the drones. 256 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: Is that what we're saying? 257 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 4: We need the drone? 258 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 3: We need to do what we need to do. As 259 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 3: a straight up Star Trek Darmock episode. If you guys 260 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 3: remember that one hundred and second episode of Yeah, Yeah 261 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 3: it is, it's where they speak in metaphor, they speak 262 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 3: in metaphor, Right, you guys remember that one. 263 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 4: No, of course I don't remember that one. I don't 264 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 4: there's too many episodes of that show. But I would argue, 265 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 4: and Max super producer Max of Ridiculous History would agree. 266 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 4: Star Trek does a great job of encapsulating the like 267 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 4: interpersonal exchanges of alien races and like humanity. And sometimes 268 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 4: I can feel a little talkie preachy thinky it's not 269 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 4: all excitement and like, you know, explosions, But I think 270 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 4: it's very very important and probably what Gene Roddenberry intended. 271 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 4: So that's it, Big Purp, As I suspected, this yielded 272 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 4: a lot of good conversation, So thank you very much. 273 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 4: We're going to take a quick break and have a 274 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 4: word from our sponsor and come back with more messages 275 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 4: from you. 276 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: All right, we've returned, guys. Much like the whole water 277 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 2: obsession I had there for I don't know, a couple 278 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: of months, I now find myself in an airplane obsession mode. 279 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 2: He did, right, Yeah, sure. 280 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 4: The flappy windows, you know. 281 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't stop thinking about it. I don't fly 282 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 2: very often, but when I do, I don't know why, 283 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: I have a tremenous sense of dread. Maybe has something 284 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 2: to do with that was his name, Miller. 285 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 4: Did you hear the update about the guy the mushroom pilot? 286 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 2: Mushroom pilot? 287 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 3: What? 288 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 4: No, the pilot that like put all of his passengers 289 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 4: at risk because he was high on mushrooms quote unquote. 290 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 3: He wasn't. He wasn't the pilot. He was a pilot 291 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 3: on the plane. 292 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 4: No, he was, he was the he was the co pilot. 293 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 4: At the very least. He did a thing. He pulled 294 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 4: a thing that was like an engine shut down, and 295 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 4: then he asked the stewardess is to handcuff him. 296 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 3: He was an off duty pilot who no, he he 297 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 3: tended to cut off the plane engine. 298 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 4: Okay, fair enough. I don't know how he got into 299 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 4: the cockpit in that respect, but I thought he was 300 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 4: flying the flight. 301 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 3: He was in the jump seat, I thought fair enough. 302 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 4: But my understanding is that he was either flying the 303 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 4: plane or co piloting the plane and was having this 304 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 4: existential crisis and he didn't know if he was in 305 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 4: a dream or in reality, and he pulled a thing 306 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 4: that shut the engine down. And now he's facing serious charges. 307 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 4: But he apparently had taken mushrooms for the first time 308 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 4: like six days beforehand while mourning his friend who died 309 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 4: like seven years ago, and he apparently had a purely 310 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 4: psychotic break and is now facing serious charges. All this 311 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 4: to say, if you've never done psychedelics before, and you're 312 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 4: in a bad mental state and maybe you're lacking mental 313 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 4: health care, don't do it. If you're having to fly 314 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 4: a plane in six. 315 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 3: Days, don't follow Joseph David Emerson. 316 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 4: No and no peer pressure. Don't succumb to peer pressure. 317 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 2: Okay, But he wasn't or was on mushrooms at the time. 318 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 3: He was not flying. 319 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 4: He was not onmos He had taken mushrooms like six 320 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 4: days before, and it apparently triggered something in him that 321 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 4: did not subside. He was not actually under the influence 322 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 4: of psychedelics like mushrooms are very short lived. 323 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 3: Right, So he wasn't actively dropping mushrooms and absolutely not 324 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 3: but whatever either actively on mushrooms, nor was he actively 325 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,239 Speaker 3: flying the plane fair enough, but whatever he did, he 326 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 3: was in the cockpit and he pulled a thing and 327 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 3: then he said, please put handcuffs on me. And you know, 328 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 3: I thought that he was the pilot, but maybe I've 329 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 3: misread the articles. He pulled some kind of engine shutdown 330 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 3: thing like he got into the cockpit, I thought, and 331 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 3: then he tried to exit through the like emergency hatch. 332 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 3: He did several things that he is being charged with 333 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 3: attempted manslaughter. Like, however many people were on the plane, 334 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 3: he's being charged with attempted manslaughter of that many people, Yeah, 335 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 3: eighty three counts are reckless and dangerment. 336 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 2: Wow, well, we're not talking about that kind of dangerous 337 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 2: on a flight. Today. We're gonna hear from two listeners 338 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 2: who deal directly with flight safety in different aspects, just 339 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 2: to give us some more perspective on our discussion about 340 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: that plane that took off, remember with the missing windows 341 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 2: flappity dues, the flappity dues. Here we go. First, one 342 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 2: is from ground Control. 343 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 5: Hey, Matt Ben and Nole. This is ground control. I 344 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 5: work for a major legacy airline in San Francisco at 345 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 5: their hub, and I work on the ramp. I can 346 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 5: tell you a lot about the inspections that go into 347 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 5: the aircraft. I'm not a mechanic, but I do bring 348 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 5: in the aircraft. And you are correct, Matt. A pilot 349 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 5: does also do a visual inspection prior to departure. As 350 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 5: a marshaller, receiver and dispatcher, I do that when I 351 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 5: get had an airplane, and before an airplane departs you 352 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 5: are within fifteen minutes of departure. 353 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 6: We also do a versule inspection. 354 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 5: In case the crew has changed or you know, anything 355 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 5: happens while we're loading up and loading down the aircraft. 356 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 5: That being said, I have on multiple occasions called my 357 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 5: control and had mechanics come out because I've seen cracked 358 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 5: windows or missing outer plates and had the mechanics show 359 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 5: up and go, oh yeah, that's fine, and the aircraft 360 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 5: go out. So it's a little surprising that they didn't 361 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 5: catch missing stick window panes before this airbus went out 362 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 5: from London, but not entirely uncommon and from my personal experience, 363 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 5: a lot of the time, what you might want to 364 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 5: hear is the mechanics show up and go, oh yeah, 365 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 5: you don't need that. Pieces of the wing panels, panels where. 366 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 7: Power goes a whole, big chunks of cargo doors just 367 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 7: darm They're like, oh yeah, I don't worry about that, 368 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 7: and you're like, okay, didn't know a plane didn't mean 369 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 7: most of its parts. 370 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 5: But that is sometimes how it goes. Anyway, I hope 371 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 5: you guy would do it well, and happy holidays. If 372 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 5: you participate, feel free to give me a call back. 373 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 5: All right, bye. 374 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 4: Listener is not, however, positing that it was okay that 375 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 4: one of these window coverings was missing. 376 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 3: Right, They're just saying that the the mechanical checks are 377 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 3: probably not as hundred percent God's passengers would imagine them 378 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 3: to be. 379 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's exactly it. And we kind of get 380 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: into it a little bit in that episode where recover it. 381 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 2: But to hearing it from someone who is a I 382 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: think this is what I heard you say, ground control, 383 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 2: a marshaler, and a dispatcher, and there's one other thing 384 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: in there that you function as. But it sounds like 385 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 2: somebody who helps ferry in the planes and in the 386 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 2: planes out right, Oh. 387 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 3: Matt, I gotta say also to ground control, I am 388 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 3: so impressed when people know semaphore and I know you 389 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 3: know semophore, dude, that's awesome. 390 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 4: Well, it just goes to show that it's sort of 391 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 4: a very procedural, checklist kind of thing that doesn't always 392 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 4: involve all of your senses because you're trying to move 393 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 4: things through as quickly as possible. 394 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,479 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, often you are. But I think there's a 395 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 2: big safety aspect to to what ground control does as well. 396 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 2: Just man, we were laughing. I don't know if we're 397 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 2: gonna keep that laughter in while it's playing, but man, 398 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 2: we're just cracking up hearing you know, the thought of 399 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 2: mechanics looking at big chunks of an aircraft missing and 400 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 2: just goes. 401 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 3: It's fine, so you know you got you got the 402 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 3: one wing. What are you gonna do tart a round? 403 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 4: I think that's what I'm getting at, is that like, 404 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 4: if you're that level of expertise, you're so focused on 405 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 4: your thing, then like some other thing, just who cares about, 406 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 4: no big deal, forget about it. 407 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 3: Until something goes wrong. Well, then it's again like that's 408 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 3: the danger of siloing. 409 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 4: Right. 410 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 3: The advantage, the advantage of task siloing is in theory 411 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 3: that someone will focus one hundred percent on the thing 412 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 3: that they're looking at. Right, and in a perfect world 413 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 3: for something like an aircraft, there are going to be 414 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 3: people who specifically one hundred percent focus on the one 415 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 3: thing that is That is a difficult proposition to make, 416 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 3: and as such, you know, not to sound too dungeons 417 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 3: and dragons. People do end up multi classing. And I 418 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 3: want to take a second to just shout out not 419 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 3: just you ground Control, but everybody working in aviation, because 420 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 3: these folks get scapegoaded so often when something goes wrong, 421 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 3: and a lot of times those problems start at the 422 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 3: top in the sea suite of the airlines for sure. 423 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's crazy that we fly on 424 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 4: planes that still have ashtrays in the arm rests. You know, 425 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 4: it just goes to show like how long it takes 426 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 4: to fully refit these planes. But Matt, isn't it also 427 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 4: a thing that like, shouldn't this be an example of 428 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 4: how AI or more like computerized systems would be helpful 429 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 4: in a situation like this? 430 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 2: It does. It reminds me of the systems Delta has 431 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 2: been putting in place for years now to get drones 432 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 2: to look at these planes. But that is only again 433 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: in those major checkups, right, so. 434 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 4: Which only happens periodically, like not yet every flight and landing. 435 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 2: We're talking tens of thousands of flight miles, you know, 436 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 2: like a long time in between. But what if you 437 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: did have a system where at at every terminal, you know, 438 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 2: there's a series of drones that go around and just 439 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 2: do a quick exterior check on the planes. That doesn't 440 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 2: seem like that bad of an idea, and it. 441 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 3: Doesn't seem that expensive either, because I be the C 442 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 3: suite argument, it doesn't seem too cost prohibitive at scale. 443 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,719 Speaker 3: And Matt, this reminds me of when we were talking 444 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 3: about the technical rule for how you drive a car. 445 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 3: You are supposed to do the four point check before 446 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 3: you get in the vehicle to begin with, and how 447 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 3: many people do that? You know? How often do you 448 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 3: check your oil before the light goes on? You don't 449 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 3: have to answer, folks, I don't want to shame anyone. 450 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 4: And in the olden days that would have been more important, 451 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 4: but now we depend on things like check engine lights 452 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 4: or like you know, low tire pressure lights and the 453 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 4: sensors and things like that. 454 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 2: Let's continue down this flight path. Guys, we've got another 455 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,719 Speaker 2: listener who called in that has experience with planes in 456 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 2: a slightly different way. I want to remind everyone of 457 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 2: our conversation about the pre flight check so that before 458 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 2: a plane takes off, the pilot and co pilot whatever 459 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 2: that team looks like and is made up of, they've 460 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 2: run through a huge checklist that's laid out in a 461 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 2: book or you know, and that's written down right checking 462 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 2: the systems. And you've also got a quick walk around 463 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 2: by the pilot to do a visual check on the plane. 464 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 2: That's that happens every time a flight takes off. But 465 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 2: there's a little more nuanced to this that maybe I 466 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: didn't understand, and we're gonna hear from Soup Sandwich that 467 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 2: has some more insight. 468 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,959 Speaker 6: Hey, guys, you can call me Soup Sandwich. I wanted 469 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 6: to speak my two cents about your last episode for 470 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 6: Strange News about the airplane whose windows popped out. Now 471 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 6: I work in military aviation. Standards might be different in civilian, 472 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 6: but we still here to SAA. For us, prior to flight, 473 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 6: we have to do a pre flight inspection. That pre 474 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 6: flight inspection is good for twenty four hours, so that 475 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 6: aircraft can take off, land, take off land, have a 476 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 6: few flights within a twenty four hour period without meeting 477 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 6: another pre flight. 478 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 2: That okay, just hearing those words, they just you know, 479 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 2: they hit They hit me, and I go, oh, okay, 480 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 2: wait a second. That means you could do a pre 481 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 2: flight check in the morning. Let's say with that the 482 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 2: London flight, right, or that that flight that was going 483 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 2: to Orlando, it's getting ready to take off in that morning, 484 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 2: gets a pre flight check, It lands way the heck 485 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 2: over in Orlando. Now it's going to take off again 486 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 2: and head north somewhere within the contiguous United States, and. 487 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 3: It hit twenty four hours. 488 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 2: You don't have to check it again. Are you kidding me? 489 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 3: It's pre flight. It's before all the flights that could 490 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 3: occur in twenty hours. 491 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: It's a pre flight check. 492 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 4: It's a rubric though, you know, and like somebody has 493 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 4: set these these factors, right. 494 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, think think about it this way, and this 495 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 2: is maybe something I'm just getting completely wrong. When you 496 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 2: get off of an let's say you take a flight 497 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 2: London to Orlando, you are a passer around that plane. 498 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 2: As you're exiting, that plane doesn't turn off it gets 499 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 2: refueled though, right, do you have to turn it off 500 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 2: to refuel it the way you would have to turn 501 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 2: off another vehicle like a car. 502 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 4: You'd assume, but maybe not. 503 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 2: I'd assume, But like, what if it's like something I'm 504 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 2: just speculating like crazy here. 505 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 4: I'm sorry. 506 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 2: I was like, what if they just don't turn the 507 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 2: thing off and that's what constitutes it still on its 508 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 2: same flat. I'm just suck. But hey, I happened to 509 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 2: call back Soup Sandwich just to get a little more information. 510 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 2: And I really think the expertise of military aviation here 511 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 2: applying it to this is worth our time. 512 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 4: That's key because I mean military aviation came well before 513 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 4: commercial flight, right. Yeah. 514 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 2: And something she really wanted to get across is that 515 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 2: if there was no direct indication of damage to that 516 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 2: window on just a visual check, it was not and 517 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 2: it would not be considered an oversight by the pilots 518 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 2: doing that visual check. It is literally the things that 519 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 2: you would get dinged on is that if it was, 520 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 2: if any person would look at it visually and go, oh, 521 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 2: there's something wrong with that window. That's basically what she 522 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 2: was saying. Maybe I'm getting the wrong. I'm sorry, I 523 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 2: hope I'm not soup sandwich. I'm just going to keep reading. 524 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 2: Just a couple of things we talked about. If the 525 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 2: pre flight instructions like that manual didn't tell them to 526 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 2: regularly inspect like specific areas of the plane visually, then again, 527 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 2: it's probably not something that anyone would have expected those 528 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 2: pilots to do, so they probably wouldn't have done it. 529 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 4: I don't know. 530 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 2: I just thought that was really interesting, basically saying, look, 531 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 2: if it's not in the rules and the regulations are 532 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 2: written down in some place where this is standard operating procedure, 533 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 2: it's probably not going to occur. So maybe it should be. 534 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, Also it is, I mean, it happens where people 535 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,719 Speaker 3: will go and soup sav much. We've never spoken, but 536 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 3: I believe it is somewhat uncommon, right for so one 537 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 3: who has again a focused amount of time, right two 538 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 3: and they they are they are siloed into this one 539 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 3: thing they do. Uh. It is asking a lot of 540 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 3: them to go above and beyond right outside of the rules, 541 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 3: which is why the rules are in theories so comprehensive 542 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 3: and so thorough. Indeed, Uh, it could be a situation 543 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 3: where and you know, ground control, uh, ground control the 544 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 3: major ben here. I don't wanna I don't wanna put 545 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 3: anything as scance here. But those mechanics are probably just 546 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 3: also following rules, and they're looking specifically, not not for 547 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 3: something that gives them a bad vibe, but for something 548 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 3: that violates the explicitly. 549 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 4: Written rules that's not design. 550 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 3: How do you not punish the honors student in that situation? 551 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 4: And my question is how often do those rules get revised? 552 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 4: And I would argue because of the technology, unless there's 553 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 4: something very new being introduced into the equation, probably not 554 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 4: often at all. 555 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 2: I don't know how often, though, well we can find out. 556 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 2: I just want to mention this. When I talked to 557 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 2: Soup Sandwich, she was working in the hangar at that moment. 558 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 2: She was looking at her helicopter and she was like 559 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 2: just assessing it, going, what would I what like could 560 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 2: I have missed if I was just looking at this craft? 561 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 3: Right? 562 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 2: And she was saying, like, if you're looking at the windows, 563 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 2: if there was no delamination or melting or like obvious cracking, 564 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 2: there's no way she would have walked over and like 565 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 2: pressed on the window to make sure it was okay. Right, 566 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 2: You just look at the window. You go, oh windows good, 567 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 2: but email. 568 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 3: This what kind of helicopter was this? I'm so interested, 569 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 3: but I would are you ever be. 570 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 4: Able to fly using the plane for that purpose with 571 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 4: the lights and stuff? Is sort of outside of standard 572 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 4: operating procedure for that plane, and that no one's thinking 573 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 4: about that as an outside variable. 574 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 2: That's a really good point. That's a really good point. 575 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 2: Like it's almost the film crew that should have well, 576 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 2: but they how are they going to down Noll? 577 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 4: There should have been somebody, If there's somebody within the 578 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 4: company that like agrees to let this happen, they should 579 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 4: think about things like that. Hm. 580 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 2: Well, hey, last thing guys before we get out of 581 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 2: here for this segment. Soup sandwich. This is really fun. 582 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 2: I didn't know this. Maybe you guys already knew this. 583 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 2: Soup sandwich is a great phrase for something that is 584 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 2: completely messed up, like foo bar or where those things, 585 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 2: because it's it's something that is impossible. 586 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 4: It's not a soup and a sandwich. It's a sandwich 587 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 4: filled with soup, which sucks. 588 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 2: Okay, we'll be right back with more messages from you. 589 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 3: And we have returned, so we're going to hear first 590 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 3: from Mark, and Mark has given us permission to use 591 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 3: this name. Mark says, hey, guys, I love your shows. 592 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 3: It got me through about sixty hours of sanding a 593 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 3: pergola and a deck in my new backyard with great joy. 594 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 3: Editorial note, thank you word of the day, Mark, Thank 595 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 3: you for teaching us pergola. I didn't know that one. 596 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 3: Mark says, I have been are in a registered nurse 597 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 3: for the VA Veterans Affairs since twenty ten. I have 598 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 3: countless stories talking with veterans about agent Orange, which is 599 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 3: probably one of the worst things ever invented by man. 600 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 3: The VA researches, their various researchers are continuously finding more 601 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 3: and more ailments that are linked to herbicide herba side. 602 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 3: Mark says say it with a strong age, and veterans 603 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 3: from Vietnam are actually getting higher and higher service connected ratings. 604 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 3: This is what the Veterans Service Organization looks at when 605 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 3: they're diagnosing whether someone's medical maladies are a result of 606 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 3: their time in service. And additionally, they're looking at what 607 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 3: folks are reporting to their VA providers. This is how 608 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 3: they fire out whether or not your claim will be 609 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 3: covered if you were exposed to any number of very 610 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 3: dangerous chemicals and substances. Mark says, the higher the ratings, 611 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 3: the more money these folks will get monthly. You only 612 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 3: get full dental benefits under some circumstances. Some states will 613 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 3: waive your property taxes if your injuries and conditions are 614 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 3: concluded to be one hundred percent connected to your service. 615 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 3: Mark says, I know South Carolina does this. I don't 616 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 3: know if if California does it. So it goes to 617 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 3: state by state. And then Mark wanted us to dive 618 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,720 Speaker 3: into toxic exposure to tar pits in the Middle East. 619 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 3: Mark says, we screen for PTSD suicidal and homicidal ideation 620 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 3: at every visit. Now we are asking about exposure to 621 00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 3: these tar pits, and this is something that I don't 622 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,439 Speaker 3: think is making a ton of news. Mark says, take 623 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 3: a look at tar pits, you'll find the stuff they 624 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 3: don't want you to know. Have you guys heard much 625 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 3: about this? 626 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 2: This is something I think John Stewart brought up a 627 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 2: while back. They call him burn pits at least he 628 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 2: I think he didn't. He speak at Congress or something 629 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 2: about this, like it was a big deal. The toxic 630 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 2: pits the toxic burn pits. 631 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, what are these toxic pits burning? Exactly? 632 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 7: So? 633 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, like to your point that they're called burn pits often, 634 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 3: and I think they're the same thing. Mark, please write 635 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 3: in and correct us. 636 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 4: Here. 637 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,959 Speaker 3: There's a great article by the New York Times, well 638 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,720 Speaker 3: from the New York Times by the journalist John Ismay, 639 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 3: it's what are burn pits? How did they harm US troops? 640 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 3: The idea is that they were throwing all this trash 641 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 3: from military operations into these pits to burn things instead 642 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 3: of you know, hauling it to a dumpster, because there's 643 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 3: not exactly a sanitation service. And when this stuff is burning, 644 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 3: it produces this toxic smoke, and if you are around that, 645 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 3: you don't really have a way to leave. You can't 646 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 3: go to your commanding officer and say this smoke is weird. 647 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,839 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna bug out for a second, because you know, 648 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 3: it's a crime to go a wall. 649 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 4: Like that, and there aren't like face masks they can 650 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 4: wear or things that will filter it out. 651 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 2: Uh No, this is a really really big deal. Like 652 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 2: serious illnesses can come from the crap that gets burned 653 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 2: in those things. 654 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 3: And Matt I was keeping an eye. On chat, you 655 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 3: posted a link to John Stewart's conversation about military burn 656 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 3: pits from earlier in twenty twenty two. 657 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 2: This is what I remembered, like, specifically that phrase when 658 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,839 Speaker 2: you said, when we are talking about burn pits here, 659 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,959 Speaker 2: it's John Stewart sitting there and basically just destroying memory 660 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 2: of Congress who voted against expanding some of the benefits 661 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 2: for men and women who served who were near these pits. 662 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 2: That's what I had in my head, so that I 663 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 2: just want to share that. 664 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's awesome, and thank you for sending that, 665 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 3: because I think this is an episode in the future. 666 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 3: What we see is that hundreds of thousands of veteran 667 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 3: claims for service conditions related to exposure here have been denied, 668 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 3: and two of the primary reasons for these denials have 669 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,240 Speaker 3: been quote no diagnosis of the claimed condition end quote, 670 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 3: and then another quote no medical nexus between the claimed 671 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 3: condition and military service. So it appears that Uncle Sam, 672 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 3: after asking people to give life and live and mental 673 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 3: health of in service of their country, Uncle Sam is 674 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 3: going back and saying, I don't know, man, maybe you 675 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 3: just burned all that crazy stuff in your backyard. Shit, right, 676 00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 3: that's kind of on you, bro. 677 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you were trying to go for a compost 678 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 4: type situation. No, that's not what that is. Isn't burning 679 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 4: trash in your backyard like totally illegal? Like burning trash 680 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 4: is not Okay? 681 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 3: Check out our Extraordinary Rendition episode. At the very beginning, 682 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 3: we say, we pointed out the real definition of a 683 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 3: state or government is that force which has the monopoly 684 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 3: on violence and crime. So like, we can't burn a 685 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 3: bunch of ammunition and jet fuel and old tires legally 686 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 3: in our backyards, but your government can't. 687 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,800 Speaker 2: You know, why would you anyway? 688 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 5: You know? 689 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 3: Right? And this this I think I wanted just to 690 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 3: take a second because I do believe this is an 691 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 3: important issue. It does verge upon conspiracy, and as our 692 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 3: as our pops, John's, our spiritual father John Stewart has 693 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 3: pointed out, this is an issue that is roundly ignored 694 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 3: and it is an ongoing issue. Or it reminds me 695 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 3: of other things. Maybe we loop it all into one episode. 696 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:10,479 Speaker 3: Depleted uranium, white phosphorus, all those nasty, nasty things. Those 697 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 3: two constitute war crimes, honestly, But these burn pits create 698 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 3: the same sort of long tail consequences and perhaps intergenerational consequences. 699 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 3: So we'd love to hear your stories, folks. We hope 700 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 3: this message finds you healthy and safe in a mid 701 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 3: grand adventure and let us know to the degree that 702 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,439 Speaker 3: you are comfortable and able what you have encountered with 703 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,839 Speaker 3: burn pits. Don't want to end auto bumber. I want 704 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 3: to go to one more thing, Guys. Did you know 705 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 3: that the United Kingdom was telling people to stock up 706 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 3: on candles quite recently. 707 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 2: Because the power kept going out? 708 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 3: I mean, why else would you write? Or is it like, 709 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,240 Speaker 3: does someone in Parliament have a bunch of money and candles? 710 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 4: Why does my mind immediately go to candle in the 711 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 4: windy elm John? Like, is there gonna be another tragic death. 712 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 2: Of a royal well? I was gonna maybe maybe they 713 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 2: want group some kind of like candle magic, you know, 714 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,720 Speaker 2: like sending energy out. You could do energy work with candles, y'all. 715 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 3: Yes, I guess you can technically because fire is a 716 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 3: form of energy. Right, So let's go to Let's go 717 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 3: to someone who wrote to us via our Instagram Conspiracy 718 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 3: Stuff Show North Ireland fan says, hey, love the show 719 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 3: made it into your top two percent of listeners. According 720 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 3: to my Spotify wrapped thanks to everybody. Also, by the way, 721 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,359 Speaker 3: tuned in all year. Northern Ireland Fan goes on to say, 722 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,280 Speaker 3: I'm a geologist and spend most of my day walking 723 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 3: around fields by myself, and I am so grateful I 724 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,760 Speaker 3: have your podcast to listen to to keep me company. 725 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 3: I'm from the u K and this story caught my attention. 726 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 3: Oliver Dowden, the Deputy Prime Minister, wants us to stock 727 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,439 Speaker 3: up on candles in case of a national to your point, Matt, 728 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 3: in case of a national power outage, and not to 729 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 3: rely on our phones so much. That got the old 730 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 3: That got the old man in me being like, yeah, 731 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 3: get a paper Atlas for your car before it's too late, 732 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 3: so we'll call you an if. Northern Ireland Fan says 733 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 3: it got me thinking about how a few months back 734 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 3: they tested out the UK emergency alert system sending messages 735 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,879 Speaker 3: to all our phones. Coincidence, I'm sure, but I'd love 736 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 3: to hear your thoughts on if you think they know 737 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 3: something we don't. And Northern Ireland Fan, you helpfully. We 738 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 3: talked a little bit. You sent your preferred moniker. We're 739 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 3: keeping you anonymous and and I gotta say, this reminds 740 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 3: me of that time not too long ago when there 741 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,319 Speaker 3: was a mass warning text that got sent out to 742 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,800 Speaker 3: residents of Hawaii. Do you remember that or Hawaii. 743 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,320 Speaker 4: About volcanic activity? Perhaps? 744 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,400 Speaker 2: No, was it? I think it was like a nuclear 745 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 2: bomb that. 746 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 3: Yah, and everybody in Hawaii freaked out. It was in 747 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 3: twenty eighteen. There was a false missile alert. It went 748 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 3: out through the official the US is official beat me here, 749 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 3: doc oh system is probably the best way to call it. 750 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 3: I don't know. It makes me wonder too about those 751 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,919 Speaker 3: things because about those mass alerts. You know, we all 752 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 3: get these tests, at least in the United States, Babe, right, babe? Yeah, yeah, 753 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 3: well you know on radio sure and also on our phones, 754 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 3: which I think is a more direct way to contact people. 755 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 4: Now that I believe he uses a similar system in 756 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:55,760 Speaker 4: terms of the tone. 757 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,800 Speaker 3: Yeah right, you want the continuity of system. I'm also 758 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:04,280 Speaker 3: thinking about Amber alerts for a time had no judgment here, folks. 759 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 3: For a time, people could opt out of amber alerts. 760 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 3: Do you remember that People would say, oh, I'm too 761 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 3: busy about the subducted kit. 762 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 4: I mean, most people opt out of amber alerts just 763 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 4: by like hitting cancel, You're like, ignore, you know what 764 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:21,799 Speaker 4: I mean? 765 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,279 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, The only thing I wish is that you 766 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 2: could silence it so it vibrated really loudly rather than 767 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,399 Speaker 2: beeped at you. And it's important that. 768 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 4: You get it because what if you did see something, 769 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 4: What if you like happened to have seen something, and 770 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 4: then you wouldn't have known. 771 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,880 Speaker 3: The main thing I wish is that we didn't exist 772 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 3: in a time where people kid nab children. 773 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:49,799 Speaker 4: Hey, I think maybe we all feel that way. 774 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 3: I mean, the text message system is good, I get it, 775 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,359 Speaker 3: But there's also you know, there's a bigger question here, 776 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,760 Speaker 3: which is who flips the switch on these things? 777 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 4: Right? 778 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:07,319 Speaker 3: How did this twenty eighteen false missile alert? How did 779 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 3: it happen? It reminds me of the old Cold War 780 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 3: days when that one Russian sub got so close to 781 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:19,280 Speaker 3: launching nukes except for one of the commanding officers said, 782 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 3: hold on a second, Perhaps we're being rash. I don't know. 783 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,200 Speaker 3: And to the question of whether whether or not the 784 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 3: United Kingdom's government knows something the public does not know. 785 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 3: Haven't found anything about this. I think it's a good 786 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,080 Speaker 3: idea in general to stock up on candles. I don't know. 787 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 3: You guys have candles. 788 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,480 Speaker 4: I like t light candles, and I'll always buy scented 789 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,880 Speaker 4: candles when they're on sale. But that's unrelated. But no, 790 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 4: I have enough. I have enough. 791 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 2: I've just got a chest full of black candles. 792 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:54,759 Speaker 6: Yeah. 793 00:45:54,800 --> 00:46:00,319 Speaker 3: Well, what are you up to but energy work? Yeah, yeah, 794 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 3: I've got I've got some candles for situations, right, and 795 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,799 Speaker 3: for specific situations. A lot of battery powered flashlights too, 796 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,000 Speaker 3: one solar powered flashlight that I just keep on the 797 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 3: rooftop under a thing. I don't know, it better work. 798 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 3: I should You know what I should do. I should 799 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,440 Speaker 3: put in a regimen wherein I check that thing on 800 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,680 Speaker 3: a regular basis before I need it to work, just 801 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:25,880 Speaker 3: like with planes. 802 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 2: Zach pre flight candle powered flashlight checks. 803 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,319 Speaker 3: Yes, finally it rolls off the tongue. You heard it 804 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,760 Speaker 3: here first, uh I honestly, I don't know whether there 805 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,400 Speaker 3: is something sinister here. The idea of stocking up on 806 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,680 Speaker 3: energy sources or light sources that are not dependent upon 807 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 3: energy grid makes a lot of sense, because if you 808 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,319 Speaker 3: are not living in the US, you may not be 809 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 3: aware of this. Texas in particular, has earned a terrible 810 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 3: reputation for crap in the bag on their energy grid. 811 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,360 Speaker 3: And not too long ago, actually, if you're listening to 812 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,120 Speaker 3: this now, probably within your lifetime, the US government did 813 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:14,720 Speaker 3: some really shady stuff on the West Coast with rolling blackouts. 814 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,400 Speaker 3: Do check that out, do you guys remember that sure 815 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,480 Speaker 3: deregulation of energy companies and then all of a sudden 816 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 3: holding access to electricity hostage. 817 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 4: Well that's some like future diabolical mister Burns type stuff 818 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,440 Speaker 4: right there. It's on the table, y'all. 819 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,239 Speaker 3: It's on the table, and it could be on the way. 820 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,880 Speaker 3: We're going to curtail this last part of Folks, we 821 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,840 Speaker 3: want to hear from you, especially if you are in 822 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 3: the United Kingdom. Do you think there is some mystery 823 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:52,839 Speaker 3: of foot Why is the DEPUTYPM requesting that you buy candles? 824 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,960 Speaker 3: We'll look into We'll look into the financials a bit 825 00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,000 Speaker 3: and figure out if this guy is part of Big 826 00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,880 Speaker 3: Candle or if it is better just to be prepared. 827 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 3: Thanks as always to everyone who has tuned in. 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