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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to Episode number twenty three. I'm Ben O'Brien,

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Speaker 1: and I'm excited about this podcast. Um. I'm excited about

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Speaker 1: it for a bunch of reasons. Excited about it because

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Speaker 1: of the group of people I was with when we

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Speaker 1: recorded this podcast. I'm excited about it because of the topic, um,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just excited about it to be a part

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Speaker 1: of a community of people that I believe cares about

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Speaker 1: the right stuff. And part of why this podcast is

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Speaker 1: what I've wanted to do and what I've enjoyed doing,

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Speaker 1: is because of that exact thing. Is a group of

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Speaker 1: people that are passionate about something that I've shared ideas

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Speaker 1: and that are looking to expand their knowledge, are looking

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Speaker 1: to share their stories. And so Episode number twenty three

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Speaker 1: is about those things, but it's also about public lands.

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Speaker 1: It's also about five people coming together to express themselves,

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Speaker 1: else to share ideas, and to talk about the threats

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Speaker 1: to our public land. Now, these five people, myself included,

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Speaker 1: are not experts, were not uh legislators, We are not

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Speaker 1: policy makers, We are not part of of leadership in

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Speaker 1: any conservation groups. But what we are is five people

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Speaker 1: that really care about public lands and and when something

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Speaker 1: comes up to threaten those lands, I think we all

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Speaker 1: felt um that would be productive to sit down and

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Speaker 1: address those so we did that. We did that on

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Speaker 1: Sam Sohol's public land bus in the middle of the night,

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Speaker 1: Big Sky Montana. And the folks that join me you'll

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Speaker 1: hear him pretty soon are the guys from Hushing, Brian

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Speaker 1: mcelray and Casey Butler, Ben Dead Demante, Old Shed Crazy,

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Speaker 1: Sam sohold himself and end me open over and so

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Speaker 1: I hopefully you can understand where we were going with this.

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Speaker 1: You can understand that we're just five guys that love hunting, love,

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Speaker 1: efficient love, public lands, are passionate about learning, and take

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Speaker 1: exactly that from this, and hopefully you have conversations like

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Speaker 1: this with your group of friends and the circles that

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Speaker 1: you travel, and then you can inspire each other to

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Speaker 1: learn more. So, without further ado, please enjoy episode others

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Speaker 1: clips on Hey, we're live with everybody. We're on a bus.

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Speaker 1: We're not on public land, are we We're not. We

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Speaker 1: are on very private land, very private land. Very private land.

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Speaker 1: Probably could be public land. It could be if people

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Speaker 1: didn't like to pay high dollar for skiing. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: people do. They do people really like that bus? Here

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Speaker 1: we are, but hey, celebrate I say, celebrate private landowners

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Speaker 1: as well. Let's do it. Yes, think everybody think that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm proud of the half acre. I own me too.

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Speaker 1: I'm point four three no way here in this beautiful

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Speaker 1: state of Montana. Yeah, yeah, shoot on you man. Um,

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Speaker 1: let's go around and say who we are. Sam, please

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Speaker 1: begin Sam's holt. I am a professional photographer in the

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Speaker 1: hunting industry, owner of the public land bus, and we

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Speaker 1: are currently sitting here in my bus were the bus. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: my name is Ben Detta Monty. Um, I'm currently sitting

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Speaker 1: in the bus of Sam's hold as well. And uh

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Speaker 1: I do Instagram, YouTube and whatever I want. Wow, my

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Speaker 1: Actually seeing on Ben's lap on the bus that's sitting

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Speaker 1: on public private land. That's Betel Brian Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've been on this podcast once before. Thanks for having

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Speaker 1: me back. I'm from I'm one third of Hush You Are.

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Speaker 1: I'm Brian Mackray, two thirds of Hush yea and the

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Speaker 1: second third or the actually that's not far off on

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Speaker 1: the back end of things. What do you didn't even

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Speaker 1: hear it. Would you rather he's saying he's doing two thirds?

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Speaker 1: Would you rather be the second third or the third third?

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Speaker 1: I'm the third third? Yeah, no doubt really tying it down.

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Speaker 1: I am You're the glue. The yeah, I'm I'm hurting

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Speaker 1: the hotelis hush, Yes, you're the Jannest Patlis the perfect analogy.

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Speaker 1: The last podcast we called Yanni the glue, the glue.

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Speaker 1: You're the glue as well. I would definitely say he's

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Speaker 1: the glue. The glue stick can have a responsible Jannest

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Speaker 1: has a much cooler nickname than I do, though, what's

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Speaker 1: your nickname? A lot of them didn't just does. He

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Speaker 1: has a cooler real name and nickname than you, with

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Speaker 1: the last name of battle Ray, which is unpronounceable when

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Speaker 1: a lot of nicknames growing up as a kid. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all shortened down like anything Mac, mac and cheese everything, Ben,

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Speaker 1: give me give me a mac McGregor's the only thing

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Speaker 1: of ironic. I went to food. I was with you

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Speaker 1: immediately to food. B max sins were Since you are

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Speaker 1: the glue, tell us, what what brought us onto the

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Speaker 1: bus today, why we came here to be together. We're

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Speaker 1: comments from a Senator Mike leout of beautiful state of

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Speaker 1: Utah where I actually reside. Who else he resides in Utah?

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Speaker 1: I do, Ben does. Yeah, I live in the south

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Speaker 1: But you're basically you might as well be in Utah. No, no,

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Speaker 1: you don't know. No, you don't claim it. I lived,

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Speaker 1: loved I lived in Utah for ten years and uh,

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Speaker 1: and then we moved back. We moved to l A

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Speaker 1: And my wife was trying to convince me to move

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Speaker 1: it because of mike Le. Mike Lee, that's the one reason.

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Speaker 1: You were like, listen, honey, you know who must lives there.

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Speaker 1: My my reasons were very selfish. It wasn't because of

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Speaker 1: Mike Lee. But I was like, Babe, the honey, opportunities

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Speaker 1: here in Idaho are just that much better. And she's like,

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Speaker 1: you're really gonna base where we live and where we

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Speaker 1: we're in Idho still Yeah, I won. Was that prior

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Speaker 1: to hush or during last year? Yeah, you're like, we

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Speaker 1: Mike Lee, Senator Mike Lee, a Great State of Utah,

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Speaker 1: is one of many villains in a long storyline that

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Speaker 1: is public lands going back to when they began, when

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Speaker 1: there was railroad tycoons and Robert Barons and people that

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Speaker 1: wanted to push our expansion westward, manifest destiny whatnot. And

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Speaker 1: So Mike Lee is just the most recent villain in

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Speaker 1: the story many many of which reside in Utah. In Utah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but the most recent. Uh. It's kind of like the

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Speaker 1: vestige of transfer proxy. Really yeah, good that you know

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Speaker 1: a lot of us, a lot of folks that and

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Speaker 1: this will know about Jason Schaffitz, But um Jason Schaffitz

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Speaker 1: congressman out of Utah to stand up and say we

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Speaker 1: should transfer a federal ownership of lands to the states. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the states can better manage those resources. But more over,

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Speaker 1: Mike Lee gave a speech recently where he said a wilderness. Specifically,

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Speaker 1: he traced wilderness to the European aristocracy prior to the

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Speaker 1: it's hashtag royal force. Hashtag royal force. So he somehow

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Speaker 1: made that the draw and his his thing was, wilderness

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Speaker 1: Wilderness somehow is the same thing. Anybody want to take

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Speaker 1: sipping on their coffee and micro brewis you know, to

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Speaker 1: not elitist whatsoever. I mean the people that we run

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Speaker 1: big one. Yeah, they're full of folks that are are

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Speaker 1: Um to hear them say it, it's it's a out

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Speaker 1: One side was like, well, Trump's given the land back

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Speaker 1: And well, now and there are people just like us.

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Speaker 1: they didn't want the monument, right. I don't know the

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Speaker 1: it's it's because of these politicians are just giving out

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Speaker 1: is better that the federal that we own our public

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Speaker 1: or that the state's control of public LANs. But what

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Speaker 1: we've learned from history is a lot of times the

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Speaker 1: states will sell those public LANs off to pay for

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Speaker 1: whatever school districts or or something like that. But I

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Speaker 1: like the Republicans have continuously done this in the past.

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Speaker 1: at the state that I come from, only two of

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Speaker 1: our lands are ran by the federal government. And it's like,

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Speaker 1: because that's all the public lands you guys have remaining. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta be in this case, you have

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Speaker 1: to be pro nuance and anti bullshit. The National Monument

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Speaker 1: lag in the public land conversation and he needed something

429
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Speaker 1: to pick up. That very important piece of legislation got

430
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Speaker 1: a bunch of chatter for that reason. I think that's

431
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Speaker 1: a good thing for sure, and and I think it

432
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Speaker 1: will get funded, but not in perpetuity, yeah, unfortunately, but

433
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Speaker 1: hopefully it's more than the recommended amount of like eight

434
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Speaker 1: million down from yah situation. Yeah, and then you I'm

435
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: not a big fan of politics, but I'd be interested here.

436
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: Anybody's opinion on you get a Republican administration run by

437
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and they slash and burn the e p

438
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Speaker 1: A like that's that's a victory. And they slash in

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Speaker 1: pern regular nation, the slash and and that would become

440
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Speaker 1: into public lands. That's what exactly the same thing they'd

441
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: like to do there. So those policies are um and

442
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: and these are people that are pro hunting air quotes.

443
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: What do we do with that? What do we do

444
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: with that? Are we now screaming liberal a holes because

445
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: we want the environment to be protected in the public

446
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: lands to day in federal hands. I don't think. I

447
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: don't think you can say that. I think the fact

448
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: is it's okay to agree with you know, a person

449
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: or an administration on certain things and disagree on others. No,

450
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: it's not, Sam, I watched Fox Newsy step down. I agree, man.

451
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: I think that's the big biggest issue. It's our society

452
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: is we can't talk through things like it's either it's

453
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 1: this way or no, it's not right, And especially with politics,

454
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,719
Speaker 1: like why can't we believe in certain things that certain

455
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Speaker 1: candidates are for and not believe in other of things?

456
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: Like I think that that should be allowed right, Like

457
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: it's like you. I like you for a lot of

458
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: different reasons. I don't like the way you look though.

459
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: It's marginal, it's margin, but no, like, yeah, that's what's

460
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: so interesting about Utah's So those people that live down

461
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: in southern Utah, when they proposed the Bears their monument,

462
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: they were like no, like, we don't want that. That's

463
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: the last thing we want. I remember people are sending

464
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: Eric text like hey, help us, like get the word

465
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: out about this, like we need to shut this down. Well,

466
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: then we have another big group of hunters and fishermen

467
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: that are like, no, this is actually a good thing

468
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: for you guys, and so like how is how is

469
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: the message being washed so thin throughout this whole group

470
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: of people that do the same things. Yeah, I'll tell

471
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: you how. Because that national monument desination is complicated, Like

472
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Speaker 1: I've read through a lot of trying to figure out

473
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: what exactly is a national monument in that sense? What

474
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: access does it provide? What access doesn't limit? From what

475
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: I could say, it doesn't limit much access at all,

476
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: other than you know, a road here or there or

477
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: something like that. Now, then you're talking about what is access.

478
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: You've got to define what the word access means. What?

479
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: What what does public mean? What why it went? Is

480
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: public good? One? Is it bad? Um? Because public can

481
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: be bad. To ship too many people in a place,

482
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: we all know that's not good. Access, too many roads

483
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: on a place, we all know that's not good. But

484
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: that's some people. That's access. Yeah, I think some of that.

485
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: We deal with that a lot in the south end

486
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: of the state too. Um. You take these areas like

487
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: there's an area near my home in southern Utah that

488
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: started off as um it's a place called Canaro Falls.

489
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: I talked about it now because it's the whole world

490
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: knows about it, and uh, they're running into a lot

491
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: of these similar problems. It's just a popular height and

492
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: for years no one knew about this place. You know,

493
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: it was a local spot. Everybody would go up there.

494
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: And then because of whatever, you know, social media as

495
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: well as you know, it became a really well known thing.

496
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: And then you have to deal with, um, the crowds,

497
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: you have to deal with parking, you have to deal

498
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: with Sanita shan and so now they're looking to incorporate

499
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: it in design National Park. Well, then it becomes a

500
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Speaker 1: fee area and I think it just makes it a

501
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: really complicated question anytime the word gets out, and a

502
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: lot of people, I know in the local demographics fear that.

503
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: With the bearsers, I know that was a huge part

504
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: of the problem is it becomes a national monument and

505
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: then when you look at places to visit, here's this

506
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: national monument, that's something we can check out and and

507
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: the problems that come with so much traffic is a

508
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: big fear for the locals. Yeah, and that's a delicate situation,

509
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: you know. And then you start, I think you can

510
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: get on on a national level, you get people that

511
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: are just picking apart, they're just taking what they want

512
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Speaker 1: out of that. And you know how much national money

513
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: you get tourism, right when dollars come from tourism. But

514
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: this is a that's a pretty unique place. They got

515
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: more people chomping around on it, and people want to

516
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: access it, more campers going up. But that's what at

517
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: some level we're talking about. We're talking about public access

518
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Speaker 1: to things and so and I'm I sit on the

519
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Speaker 1: board of b h A. I don't know what they

520
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: think about, you know, me saying let's think about the

521
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,479
Speaker 1: nuance first, and let's not always just be like, hey,

522
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: if it's public it is better. Let's think about both

523
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: sides of that at all times. I know that's the

524
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Speaker 1: kind of centrist organization I believe B H A two B.

525
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: But um, it's way easier to market the other ship.

526
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: Well that's what the other I mean, that's what they

527
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: do that. It's like we're talking about with you know,

528
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: you watch Fox News, you picture side right. They want

529
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: to say you have to be on one side of

530
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: the issue or the other. Either you are pro public

531
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: land transfer or not, and that's it. Those are the

532
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: only options. But neither one of those is a perfect option.

533
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to break it down to what

534
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: works best for each specific chunk of land. And you

535
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: have to break it down when you look at either ideology,

536
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: which parts you like, which parts you don't like. That's

537
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: how you become educated about a thing. You know, you

538
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: can't just say I'm opposed, I'm for it and close

539
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: your eyes. And I think that's what a lot of

540
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: people want to do. And when you find people like

541
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: with the mentality that are so opposed to this this

542
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: are so in favor of this public land transfer, it's

543
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: because it's easier just to swallow the whole people. Let's

544
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: say I'm opposed or I'm in favor, than it is

545
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: to get educated on every little part of it. And

546
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: I hear you're talking about reading bills um and talking

547
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: about proposed reading proposed legislation. What is it half of

548
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: a percent that does that. Everybody else just watches on

549
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: TV and they say I'm form against. They get in

550
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: their camp. Yeah I've read some legislation. I still come

551
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: away like, I'm not sure what the funk I just read.

552
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how I would distill that to the

553
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: public and make sure to make it make them read it.

554
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: And you can't, Yeah, you can't come out and be like, well,

555
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: I know you guys are all really piste off as

556
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: nastional money thing, but we're you know, we're looking into it. Yeah,

557
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: we'll get back. We'll get back to you in about

558
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: ten years. And I mean that's the way society is

559
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: right now. We want immediate gratification and everything. And I

560
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: mean even Mike Lee's speech was like an hour and

561
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: a half on how many people legitimately sat through it

562
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: and watched every second of that speech or read the

563
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: entire transcript of it. Most people one for the cliff

564
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: Notes version, like we're back in college, right. I got

565
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: to the part where it pissed me off, and I

566
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: stopped yecause I'm like, maybe after this will say something

567
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: really cool, but I don't want to read that, right,

568
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: I just want to be mad. I just want to

569
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: be mad at this guy. We've always talked Case and

570
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: I've talked to you know. We we both grew up

571
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: super conservative, and you know, many generations of that in

572
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: our families. And I think that's the easy way to go.

573
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: Is people just kind of fall into what they know,

574
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: what they're comfortable with, and it's a it's a little

575
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: bit more challenging to step outside of that and say, Okay,

576
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: there are certain things that I certainly agree with and

577
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: on on board with. However, man, there's some really shady

578
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: shit happening on that side of the fence. Like maybe

579
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: I should reconsider a couple of things. Maybe I should

580
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: reevaluate all of their decisions, and maybe I should even

581
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: reconsider not just going down a party line if it

582
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: gets to that, but really making some decisions on issues.

583
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: And you know, I know for a lot of us,

584
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: we may pick and choose certain issues that are more

585
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: important than other ones. But there's a lot of folks

586
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: that every time Mike Glee posts on Instagram Nowlysis just

587
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: every comments keep it public. And I think there's a

588
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: lot of folks that don't really understand what they're doing there.

589
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: And that's I don't want that. I just don't want

590
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: that as as a father, as a human being with

591
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: a brain and fucking you know, marginal good looks that

592
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: that's I just don't want that. I don't want that

593
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: for anybody. I don't want I don't want to be

594
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: on one end like you know, screw you haretics. But

595
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: at the same time, be allowing haretics to be in

596
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: my my community's like just don't don't be that. But

597
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: at the same time, like you said, it's real fancy

598
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: to talk about public lands right now, Like maybe at

599
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: some point we'll get so comfortable that it won't be

600
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: It just takes a lot of work to to really

601
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 1: understand it because it is there's so many complexities to it,

602
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: you know, I mean diving in deep to Utah for example,

603
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: and for trying to figure out why why does this

604
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: delegation keep running down this road? What is that? What's

605
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: the root of it? And there's a lot of layers

606
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: to that get to that route. When you start to talk,

607
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 1: when you start to talking what you said about Orange Hatch,

608
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a deep stage rush rebellion. That's a

609
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: deep seated, you know, like fundamental ideology that goes against

610
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: federal ownership of basically everything. And at some level there's

611
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: parts of that that you can see. I mean, there's

612
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: there's parallels to our own, our own worlds, you know,

613
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: the gun world being the one that I always try

614
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: to draw parallels too, because you can see how you

615
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: can see how people got spun up with gun rights.

616
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: It's gun rights is compelling and wonderful and and fluffy

617
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: a topic as public lands. It's like Heritage, Constitution, America, freedom,

618
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: bald Eagles. It's just all the words you say to

619
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: get elected. Yeah, but it's soon. It's easy to get

620
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: swept up in that, and then the next thing you know,

621
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Speaker 1: you got you've got something like n r A that

622
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: doesn't look so nice anymore. Oh Yeah, so let's not

623
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: do that. Let's avoid How do we avoid that? Because

624
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: I I do feel like you get going down the

625
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: road that we're on and everybody stops being educated and

626
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: everybody just says to keep it public all the time,

627
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: and that's not the point. That's not the point. Well,

628
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: I think the fact that, you know, a lot of

629
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: the people that are speir hitting this realize that fact

630
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: right there changes all of it. The fact that they're saying,

631
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: let's not just be a sounding board, like, let's actually

632
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: be educated, because a large part of the other side

633
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: of the issue is actively trying to engage the opposite.

634
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: They're actually and trying to get people to just support

635
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: and blindly follow. And the fact that you can look

636
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: at yourself from a position of influence and say let's

637
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: not be that that's the starting point right there. Yeah. Well,

638
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: and the fact that everybody here when I say land

639
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: or conservation nyms like checking her head like yeah, cool,

640
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: I know what that is, Like that's pretty damn good.

641
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: Like that's a good starting point when you can use

642
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: all that excitement to basically, you know, pump up that

643
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: the idea that you need to be knowledgeable is you're

644
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: pretty close at that point to lead people to water.

645
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: You can't make him drink though. I think the hope though,

646
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: is that through through some of this keep it public

647
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: movement and you know, maybe to an entry level standpoint,

648
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: is people just post that that that would lead to

649
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: other things like doing more research and getting more invested

650
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: in finding out what does that really mean, and digging

651
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: into the layers of why certain delegations are doing one

652
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: thing and why others are trying to do a different thing,

653
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: and just better understanding and educating yourself. So to me,

654
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: it's like just taking action. And that doesn't necessarily mean

655
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: you have to join a conservation organization or b h

656
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: A or whoever, but you can take action to just

657
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: further understand this really dynamic, complex topic which you know

658
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: hopefully evolved in the next step. And taking action can

659
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: be anything like that. You know, all of us, I

660
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: think most of us here we're at the b h

661
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: A DO and Boise this year, Like there's there's actionable

662
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: stuff there, there's actual energy in that group of people.

663
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: That group of people is pretty studious, Like they care

664
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: about stuff. They're willing to go and do a group

665
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: of people and and learn and listen, talk and have conversations.

666
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: And that's important. So don't get me wrong. The movement

667
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: is important, but movements are dangerous, man. Yeah, you just

668
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: gotta ride that line between it just being trendy and

669
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: it's what the cool kids are doing and actually moving

670
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: things forward and doing things that are gonna change the

671
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: outcome and not just have it be a way to

672
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: sell a T shirt. Yeah, I mean, and I'm doing

673
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm selling T shirts. So you know, I'm

674
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: trying to ride that line. I'm trying to you know,

675
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm trying to. I don't want to be like I'm

676
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: not doing this just so I can make some money.

677
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: I'm doing it so like you know, like my whole

678
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: goal with the bus was just to have people stop

679
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: and think for a second, be like, what what is

680
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: he even talking about? And then go, you know, listen

681
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: to stuff like this and listen to other podcasts and

682
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: go whatever, Google why is public Land cool or whatever

683
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: that you know, whatever you're gonna go look up, but

684
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: start to realize like what everybody's trying to do. But

685
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: it's it is, it's it's gonna be tough to because

686
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: right now that's a good analogy. Here's you know, the

687
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: water is boiling, but what are you going to cook

688
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: with it? I Mean, we have all these young people

689
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: that are all fired up and want to help and

690
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: want to do something and they're talking to everybody, and

691
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: they're telling their buddies about public land and all these

692
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: different things, but that it's no one sending them anywhere

693
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: to go do anything and actually make a difference on

694
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: the path that this needs to go. So I think

695
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: that's I think that's the next step is figuring out

696
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: how to utilize that. Figure it out. Five of us,

697
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 1: we can we can play you start, We'll go around table.

698
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the tables are yet cool. I

699
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: think hashtag built for the wall. One thing I've been

700
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: thinking about a lot is is that dot com. One

701
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: thing I've been thinking about a lot is um that.

702
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole public land thing. But a lot

703
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: of us just say, you know whatever, hunting. You know,

704
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: I'm a hunter, I'm a conservationists not necessarily true, um.

705
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: And I think moving forward, I think just being a

706
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: hunter and buying a hunting license is not enough anymore.

707
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: So I think people need to take a good hard

708
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: look and figure out what they what else they can

709
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: do two contribute to, you know, the culture of hunting,

710
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: rather than just being you know, like, oh I hunted,

711
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, and buy guns and ammo and I'm I

712
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: support because of that, I support public lands and conservation. Yeah, well,

713
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: Nail's name name five things people ought to know about

714
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: that they don't know about. Pittman, Robertson's fucking one of them. Yeah, Pittman,

715
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: robers Snack, Daniel Johnson. Um, I mean just like the

716
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: amount of money like where, Like I mean, I would

717
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: like to see an educational series about just where that

718
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: money actually goes? And then like, how far does you

719
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: know if say you're a resident, you buy a hunting

720
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: tag for thirty five dollars, where do those thirty five

721
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: dollars actually go? And how much more do we need

722
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: to do to you know, pump enough money into the

723
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: like into the states for them to be able to

724
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: manage wildlife properly and land properly. Yeah, well, how many

725
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: people that buy license know the tenants of the North

726
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: American model of the wildlife conseration? Very few? In five? Um,

727
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: how many of them know when they're how their money,

728
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 1: how their tax dollars is put into Pitman Robertson, Daviel Johnson.

729
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,959
Speaker 1: Very few? How many of them know how to type

730
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: hashtag keep it public into their most so like, but

731
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: I think what you're saying, what how what do we boy,

732
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: what to be cooking with a boiling water. That's what

733
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: we're cooking, man, We're cooking this like thing we already got,

734
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,479
Speaker 1: We've already had this beautiful thing that's working and working

735
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: very well. That there's healthy lands, there's healthy ecosystems, there's

736
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: healthy wildlife populations. There's a bunch of passionate people that

737
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: love those things. But there's like a hollow shell there

738
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: that's hollow at some level. I mean, I wrote a

739
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: piece on pitt and Robertson for Patient Sunny Magazine, and

740
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 1: I interviewed just hundred hundreds of that all the way

741
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: down to my dad and my uncle, and I just

742
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: asked him of this, the simple question, what is Pittman Robertson?

743
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: What is the Wildlife Frustration Act? What is it? And

744
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: hundred people that know what it was? And that and

745
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: these are just regular hunting folks that my dad didn't

746
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: know what it was. He's been paying into it since

747
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty. He taught me a hunt. Um guarantee, he

748
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't even know what the North American Mala life contravation

749
00:41:55,560 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: even is. Um. But his son is boiling on public

750
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: lands and boiling all this stuff and so my son

751
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: may not boil on it, but he's gonna know what

752
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: it is if he wants to go hunting. If he doesn't,

753
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: then fine. But but I think that's that's my opinion.

754
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: Anybody else will tell me I'm stupid. I think it's

755
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: paramount that you get the information out there in a

756
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 1: way that's digestible for the average joe. I think that's

757
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: why podcasting has been such a huge thing for me.

758
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: The majority of my education and understanding anything that has

759
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: to do with conservation of public lands comes from in

760
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: large part the media or podcast and just from other podcasts,

761
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: to where when I was in the field, that stuff

762
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: was readily available, that information was there for me to

763
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: listen to in an entertaining way. It's like the waters boiling,

764
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: what are you gonna cook with it? Well, I think

765
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: huge part of that has to be just making a

766
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 1: really complex issue digestible for the average joe. And that's

767
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: why I think these conversations are so important. Case you

768
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: got anything for us, Yeah, I think, I mean, I

769
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: think it boils down to edg edging and like there's

770
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: so many guys I know that you know, I grew

771
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: very conservative, their conservative, but they followed that party and

772
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: so whatever that party says they buy into no matter what.

773
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: They don't even know what I means. So he's just like, yep,

774
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: we the states should take back their federal the lands.

775
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: And it's like, no, wait, hold on, let's talk about

776
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: that dad. But another thing is, um, you know, I

777
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: was at the b h A rendezvous in Bois you

778
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: with you and uh I there and Patagonia had a

779
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: big presidence there was that the owner that was there

780
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: found super cool guy, told a really cool story. But

781
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: I saw people comment on posts and stuff after like

782
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: why is b h A supporting Patagonia, Like Patagonia is

783
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: trying to shut down grizzly bear hunt this grizzly bear

784
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: hunting and this and that there they're against like hunting,

785
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe I don't know where they stand

786
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: on hunting, to be honest with you, but guess what,

787
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 1: Patagonia has a big, giant audience and they're powerful company

788
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: and they want the same things we want, right they

789
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: want public lands. So let me probably stop you there

790
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: and I'll say I don't think because I've I've talked

791
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: to the patagony folks at that in depth about this.

792
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: There against predator hunting. Okay, they told me they're against

793
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: predator hunting, flat out, word forward. So what do we

794
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: think about that? Do we agree with that? No, not really,

795
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: bears coots wills, they're against it, flat out that there

796
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: is against that as we are state transfers. So did

797
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: we just be like, but there are four public lands

798
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: and and your van and archer did see what happened

799
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 1: in Utah, Jason Schaefez, So what do we do we

800
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: do about that? Well, it's just going back to what

801
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: we said about, you know, like not not agreeing with everything,

802
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, but agreeing with some things and coming to

803
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: the table with those with those commonalities. Right, Patagonia might

804
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: be against predator hunting, but there are four public lands

805
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: and that's what we're trying to fight for right now.

806
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, we should all be able to

807
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: have open and honest conversations just like you were talking about,

808
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: and let's go through the bs and and you know,

809
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: and get those commonalities. There's a lot of people to

810
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: enjoy public cleans. It's not just the hunters, you know,

811
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 1: they're spikers, fisherman, canoers, rock clambers, all those people enjoy

812
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: public cleans. They enjoy being out and uh yeah we

813
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: might not at all see I die, but we still

814
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: all want to enjoy those things together. Yeah, and that's it.

815
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: I mean, what do we do with like the I

816
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 1: don't know what the answers to what you do with that?

817
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: You know, you try to educate, but first be educated yourself.

818
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: So I think that's the big that's one of the

819
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: bigger problems. Um. I don't know that I'm even educated

820
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: enough on predator hunting as a whole. I think and

821
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: taking anything as a whole and saying I'm against is

822
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: stupid anyways. But at the same time, there's a lot

823
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: of wildlif foiles, So I'll tell you shooting kites as

824
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: good for just produces more coyouds. Um. But like like

825
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: Benja said, you listen to enough podcasts. You listen to

826
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: Ronella Talk or some folks that are educated on stuff

827
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: J speak about it. Learned a little bit about that,

828
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: and then you can dictate that back to somebody that

829
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: works at Paddygoing. You might tell you that you shouldn't

830
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: have hunt predators, but yeah, you're not kicking pad. You're

831
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: not kicking out of the BHA fucking rendevo because yeah,

832
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: he founded the company. Doesn't like bear Hunt's just not

833
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: doing that. Have be foolish. Can I tell a story

834
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: on the lighter side about Chinard at the b h

835
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: A Rendebow, please do. So. I was just sitting on

836
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: a bench outside and there's a bunch of seminars going on.

837
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: I was hanging out and Van came down the hallway

838
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: and he's, you know, I've watched films and different stuff

839
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: about what he's done in conservation or whatever. And so

840
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: I stood up, introduced myself, thanked him for what he's

841
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: done for conservation all over the world. Um. I told

842
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: him that I had turned a bus into my mobile

843
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: hunting camp and was traveling around and had it parked

844
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: over a brewery two blocks away at the Rendego and

845
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: staying in there. And I'm telling him this little story

846
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: and and uh, meanwhile, my brother had walked down somewhere

847
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: and he was coming back and he sees me in

848
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 1: the conversation with this guy and Vango. So you're staying

849
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: in the bus and h Josh goes, yep, I gotta

850
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: sleep somewhere, and the bottom laughs and then we walked

851
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: away and I go that was the founder of pedagon.

852
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: He's like really, he's like, the only thing I said

853
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: to him was not sleep somewhere, but you're welcome. Thanks. Yeah,

854
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: it's for conversations like that. It's like riting, rioting conversations

855
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: that brings Yeah, talking about the legend out probably the

856
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: only time he'll be able to meet the founder of,

857
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, one of the largest companies in the world. Yeah,

858
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: you gotta sleep somewhere. A bus is a bus, the buses.

859
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 1: Bus is a busy. Yeah, I think um the reason

860
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: Van one of the reasons Yvonne was there. I never

861
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: asked him this and he never um told me was

862
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: that he saw his group that out to a wreck.

863
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: Group using conservation is like a you know, they're running

864
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: that out the flagpole, you know. To celebrate. They do

865
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: marches and where like wristbands and and do what they do.

866
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: They did a lot of public land rallies. They did

867
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: one in Salt Lake City during out the retail. They

868
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 1: moved out to a retail to Denver, away from Salt

869
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,479
Speaker 1: Lake City because of the out the out outrage after

870
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: shaefits and some of those other policies that those things

871
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: seem impactful, but at the end of the day, Jason

872
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: Schafittz got run out of town because groups like b

873
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: h A and I think Yvonne was like, WHOA, here's

874
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: a pretty powerful group of people that not only that

875
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: not only advocate for the things they desire, but also

876
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: show up and do it too. I've walked into there's

877
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: two rallies. One that was directly from outdoor retailer in

878
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: Salt Lake to the state capital. Attended that one, and

879
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: then there was the second one that was at a

880
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: town hall meeting that chaef has had cotton on Heights,

881
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: which I also attended. And the really interesting thing is

882
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot out of people that certainly disagreeing and

883
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, protesting other things, but the one commonality where

884
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: everybody at that rally came together, regardless if you were

885
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: in Hunter Orange or if you were in um you know,

886
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: your ri I flip flops and whatever the case may be,

887
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: everybody came together for the public lands component of what

888
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: Jason Schaffitz had introduced. I thought that was very interesting because,

889
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: particularly in in utah Um, that doesn't happen a lot.

890
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: So there's this one event which despite our differences, we

891
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: aligned pretty well on that, and that that's that crowd

892
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: of Patagonia and yeah, and some of those other folks

893
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,479
Speaker 1: that are out outdoor retailer. They're not hunters by any means,

894
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: but they are certainly outdoor recreationists. So that was a

895
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: that was very unique to see from my standpoint standing

896
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: there just gonna looking around and taking it all in.

897
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: That was a very strong common you know ball that

898
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: we all shared with the question is why is that important?

899
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: Why does that matter? Yeah? I mean I think it's

900
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: important to have unique perspectives from diverse groups that are

901
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: all utilizing these public plans, right, I mean, they're they're

902
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: meant to be managed by for multi use for a

903
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: lot of different reasons. Specifically, why that matter? Why does

904
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 1: that matter to hunters? Specifically that we have the common

905
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: bond about that. Why is that? Why is that coming

906
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: together matter? For hunting gives us gives a way more

907
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: powerful voice. Yeah, Yeah, it's it's a more dynam common

908
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: it's a more dynamic voice because it's bigger, it's more diverse,

909
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: it's more unique, and it's helpful to move these initiatives

910
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: that we are trying to you know, dissect and look

911
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: at and if we can get that crowd, which I

912
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: don't know the numbers, but I would assume that crowd

913
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: is larger than our crowd, many millions of people, larger,

914
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: h and many millions millions of dollars larger, probably more

915
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: billions of dollars probably the better term to use there.

916
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 1: But I think it's important because we're four million hunters.

917
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: Whatever the number we are, we're a very small percentage

918
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: of the overall population in this country. But as we

919
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: all are well aware, a lot of what we do

920
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: will be in the future, maybe not as much now,

921
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: but it will be in the future dictated by public sentiment.

922
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: In public sentiment will will drive public policy, and public

923
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: policy will drive what the hell we get to do

924
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: when we go outside and the folks that clothe that

925
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: are I describe it like this, It's almost like Van

926
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: Sinnard and the owner of X Hunting Company, or me

927
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: and the dude that wears Patagonia and goes Van camping

928
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: and where's Chocos and his announce retailer type of guy.

929
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: We started saying, Brian, you are Chaka had a pair.

930
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: We started the same spot, right, everybody starts at the

931
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: same spot with wildlife and and lands. They're like, we

932
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:05,959
Speaker 1: care about this ship, all right, you say, you're always

933
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: staying at the same spot and you're talking to each

934
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: other like you care about wild life and lands, recreational

935
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: use of these lands. They're like, yeah, how about you?

936
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah cool? And then they turned You turned back to

937
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: each other, and what you're a hunter and they're out

938
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: direct person. They start walking away from each other, and

939
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: as you walk away you forget. The further you get

940
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,720
Speaker 1: from each other, the more you forget where he started

941
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 1: and that there there are common alleys, and the farther

942
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: you get, then you refuse to even turn on and

943
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: face each other anymore. It's two, you're too far away.

944
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: And I think that's what what's happened with us. We started,

945
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: We've started at a place we all care about these animals,

946
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: specifically the animals probably more than anything, but the lands

947
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: as well. But we're just walking in different directions. And

948
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: about the only time we turned to face each other's

949
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: when we're about to argue about some lion that got

950
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: shot and what well you're talking about. What that signifies

951
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 1: is turned around and facing each other and talking to

952
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: each other about something and maybe walking a couple of

953
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: steps back towards the center where we started and the

954
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: yavan Jinnard showing up to the b h A. Rennie

955
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: views like maybe like a shuffle on a few steps

956
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: more forward to that goal and finally getting back to

957
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: the center together would signify that group affecting public opinion

958
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: and public policy, because that is that that's the group

959
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: that is so closely aligned with what we do that

960
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: it's it's hilarious that they they disagree with some of

961
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: the stuff that we do, because these are people that

962
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: love you go outside, they love to recreate, they spend

963
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: their money on it. They think about these things, think

964
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: about conservation, they use that term, and for whatever reason

965
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: they just disagree with X number of things and hunting

966
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: and so how do we get them to just turn

967
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: and walk and turn and faces and walk towards us. Well,

968
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: public lands is one hell of a good way to

969
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: do that. And when it comes down to when somebody

970
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: is trying to vote down all bear hunting in the

971
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: United States because um trophy hunting is terrible, just like

972
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: they did in British Columbia, maybe Vans and Art might

973
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: stand up be like, wait, I don't know that I

974
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: agree with this, but let's talk about it. Let's try

975
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: to figure it out and maybe that saves something along lawns.

976
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: I think equally important is having someone like like you

977
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: want to stand up is the possibility that somebody on

978
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: the other side who would otherwise be opposed to hunting

979
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: now maybe has a friend um or some personal experience

980
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 1: with someone who is on the other side of that equation,

981
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: and then when they go to participate in voting on

982
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: something like you know, banning a bear hunt, they can say, well,

983
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: I met this guy Joe and he hunts bears, and

984
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: he had me over to his house. We ate some

985
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: bear together and he showed me the process. And I

986
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: think that's so valuable, just just that just even that connection,

987
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: to be able to have a personal connection to somebody

988
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: on the other side helps so much in seeing the

989
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: commonality the things that we have in common with them. Yeah,

990
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: there's only there's more common eyes than anybody. I want

991
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: to admit at any level. Those commonalities are if we

992
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: don't leverage them in, we're missing out. And that's what

993
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: public lands is like, the leverage almost in that conversation

994
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: to be like, we all care about this thing, you

995
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: just happen to want to climb around on it, and

996
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: we just happened to want to go take some stuff

997
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: off and eat that stuff. Yeah. Um, and and talking

998
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 1: about that it is important. Then what's your what's your

999
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: most what's your fondest public lan memory? Mhm, it's a

1000
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: good question. It happened in Utah. Unfortunately. Hey, sorry mam,

1001
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this. I had a buddy growing

1002
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 1: up named Mike Li so sorry Mike if you listening

1003
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: to this. I was really into Bruce Lee when I

1004
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: was grown up. Yeah, listen, cousin, Miles, cousin. Ye, my

1005
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: fondest memory. There's a lot of cliche ones, um man.

1006
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: I think my fondest memory on public lands in my

1007
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: life is going to the Western Hunting Expo for the

1008
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: first time. I was like two or three years ago,

1009
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: and um, I'm from the East Coast. Like, being a

1010
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: Western hunter, it was always something that like I saw

1011
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: in the movies and I thought was cool, Like there's

1012
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: buffalo out there, and I saw it and saw it

1013
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: in loss stuff. I watched that there's buffalo. Take your

1014
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 1: hat off when you say that, um, And so being

1015
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 1: a Western hunter was kind of always I never hunted.

1016
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: I didn't hunt outside of the East Coast until I

1017
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 1: was twenty something early early twenty and went to Yaomi

1018
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: Shine Island, like, this is cool, man, I'd love to

1019
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: get into this. How could I be a part of this?

1020
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: And being a part of it finally came when I

1021
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,919
Speaker 1: went to the Western Hunting Expo, put in that those

1022
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: five dollar draw as they do there, and I got.

1023
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: I drew an elk tag there uh for Pankish Lake, Utah.

1024
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: And it was a coveted fifteen you know, late season

1025
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: rifle tag where big bulls running around. And that was

1026
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: one of the first times where I truly got to

1027
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: take opportunity, the opportunity to dive headfirst into what would

1028
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: be a like an epic public land hunt. I be

1029
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: hunted public land in the West prior to that, but

1030
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: never It's something that I felt like, Hey, this tag

1031
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: is a special thing. This tag is something that you

1032
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: know that I need to have some reverence for. And

1033
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: so I went. I had a kid. Uh, I had

1034
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: my son in October, and the tag was for the

1035
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: first week in November, second week in November, and I thought,

1036
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: for sure, there's no way I'm going on this hunt.

1037
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna leave my wife with a month or

1038
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: a month old baby, our first baby, and run off

1039
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: and go hunting. But her and I had a little

1040
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: conversation about what what I just said. It's like, hey, look,

1041
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: this is special. This is something to me that signifies

1042
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: like maybe my coming of age and being able to

1043
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: be a Western hunter and take part in this special thing.

1044
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: And she's like, go, I'll be fine, Like I'll figure

1045
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: it out, to go, get it done, come back, bring

1046
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: the meat. We'll be fine. Don't screw it up. And

1047
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: so so I went and we didn't have time to

1048
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: scout because I was, you know, having to having a kid,

1049
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: and so well who was that? Would I answer? It's

1050
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: hawks pretty him on the podcast Cardinal sin Right. We

1051
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: always like to bring those people on anyway, I um,

1052
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:53,479
Speaker 1: I had a son, and that that was the first

1053
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: time I did when I having a son, And so

1054
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: there was also that way in on me too, was

1055
00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: the first time I had to go away and miss

1056
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: this for this little human you know. Um we went there,

1057
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: no scouting. Me and uh Shawn of Gray who runs

1058
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: Total Archer Challenge where we are right now and um

1059
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: pitched up with campus wall tent in the Diston National

1060
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: Forest and kind of just went to walking around without

1061
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: having scattered. We had a little local intel that some

1062
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: bulls windered in this valley where we were and there'd

1063
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: be some stuff there. But I ended up killing a

1064
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: giant bull. After six days of you know, hunting the

1065
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: road system, riding around glass and the hike and doing

1066
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: the thing, killed a giant bull, stuffed and then the

1067
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: YETI cooling and the back of the truck and drove

1068
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,959
Speaker 1: it back to to my kid and my wife, and um,

1069
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: that's when I think, driving back there, I was like

1070
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: the most proud I've ever been to be a hunter,

1071
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: you know, and then thinking about my son, thinking about

1072
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: like I just did that thing, and I can be

1073
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: a part of making sure that's to live for him

1074
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: when he's of age to go do it. So that

1075
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: was mine. This is, uh, this cliche as these stories

1076
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: can be. It's pretty cool, awesome story. I love hearing

1077
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: that stuff, man, That's what that's to me, what evokes

1078
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: emotion and connects to people and maybe that makes them

1079
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: rethink their next move on taking this faction. Yeah, it's

1080
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: funny enough, funny enough. That was in Utah, right, and

1081
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: that's National Forest and what's not who's who? Who owns

1082
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: the National Forest? Federal government. Um. And so yeah, I

1083
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: mean those opportunities could go quickly go away, and you know,

1084
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: you go to the hunting expo and some of that

1085
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: land gets sold, and maybe there's half the amount of

1086
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: tags this year. Maybe in ten years there's a third

1087
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: the amount of tags, and then by the time my

1088
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: son's twenty five years, well maybe there's two. Maybe there's none. Um.

1089
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: And that's a reality because I'm sure there's a whole

1090
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,919
Speaker 1: lot less tags there right now and there was twenty

1091
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: years ago. When there's a whole lot more public plan

1092
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: in the state of Utah. Sam. Yeah one ah, yeah,

1093
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: it's it's right here on the wall behind me. Uh.

1094
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: So growing up, I grew up in South Dakota, and

1095
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: I didn't really big game hunt when I was younger,

1096
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: So it's um. When I was really little, we did

1097
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: a lot of pheasant hunting. I didn't pheasant how much.

1098
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: I just walked in the fields. Um. Like my dad

1099
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: told a story to the Prime crew yesterday that I

1100
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: think I was like seven or eight and I went

1101
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: on a peasant hunt with them. Um, and my I

1102
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: asked my brother if he had grabbed my boots and

1103
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: he said yes, and we got there and I had

1104
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: to right boots, so I had one that was my

1105
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: left foot was a right also right boot, but it

1106
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: was bigger. But anyway, so, um, I started, you know,

1107
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: pheasant hunting was really young, and then we got into

1108
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: duck hunting and I was a you know, lived in

1109
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: breathe waterfall hunting all you know, all the way through

1110
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: middle school and high school and college. I mean I

1111
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: chose my um college based on being able to be

1112
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: close to some of the best duck hunting the world.

1113
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: So you know, I went to North Dakota State and

1114
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: hopefully my parents won't listen to this, but like my

1115
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: junior and senior college, I think I was duck hunting

1116
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: like four or five days a week, you know, showing

1117
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: up the class with face paint on and like blood

1118
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: on my hands and like feathers like you know, stuck

1119
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,439
Speaker 1: to my pants and stuff. So um yeah, I lived

1120
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: and breathe water fall unting. But after moving west and

1121
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: getting more into big game hunting. Uh, I went home

1122
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: to do a white tail hunt and I was able

1123
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: to look at I was able to look at the

1124
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: country in a completely different way, and I wanted to

1125
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: do all in public land, and uh, but you know,

1126
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: going from looking for ponds and different stuff and trying

1127
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: to find birds and fields and figure out routes or

1128
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: whatever it was, you know, looking at maps and looking

1129
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: at different like travel routes and stuff for big game

1130
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: and you know, looking for white tail. And I had

1131
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: a gap between photo jobs, and so I had like,

1132
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I've got twenty one days to

1133
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: just like figure this out if I want to, And

1134
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 1: so I just poured myself into it, and anything within

1135
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: a half hour of you know, where I was basing

1136
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: out of, I would go. I would look at it

1137
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: in the map like kind of cross off which ones

1138
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: were good and which ones you know, look better and whatever,

1139
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: and then I drive out there and like walk out.

1140
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: And it was during the hunting season. I didn't really

1141
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: care if I scared deer. I just wanted to go

1142
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: learn to learn the country. And so I probably put

1143
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: you know, seventy hiking on these little chunks of public

1144
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: ground and I finally walked into one and found this huge,

1145
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: you know, community scrape and I just like immediately backed

1146
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: out of there. And it was like three days later

1147
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: that the wind was finally right and I went in

1148
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: and clambered my way up a tree with a tree stand.

1149
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: I was hanging a tree was like the size of

1150
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: a number two pencil and there was no cover on us.

1151
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: So I was hanging like thirty feet up. I was

1152
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: hanging in this tree like thirty feet up, and it

1153
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: was one of those trees where like when your heart beat,

1154
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: like the tree would sway, and uh, it just happened

1155
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: to all come together that more. And the deer that's

1156
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: hanging in the bus walked by and I, you know,

1157
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: shot him at twenty two yards wherever, and he ran

1158
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: under the tree and fell over. And like, I don't

1159
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: know if I've ever been more proud of just like

1160
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: the amount of time and effort I put into learning

1161
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: a new area and looking something, you know, a completely

1162
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: different way, and uh, having that success and all of

1163
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: that came um from being able to access public land.

1164
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: So Benjamin, Um, I have so many, you know, I'm sure,

1165
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: like like all of you, so many experiences on public land. UM.

1166
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: The one that kind of stood out to me um

1167
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: as you guys started talking about the stories that you've

1168
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: had in the past, I was the first elk that

1169
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: I ever killed over the counter unit in Utah public land. UM,

1170
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: I was working full time. I didn't have near the

1171
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: time to hunt that I do now. I was just

1172
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: trying to get in a couple of hours every evening,

1173
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: and every day I would get off work and get

1174
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: in my truck and I just as fast as I

1175
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: could go up the mountain up in to the Dixie

1176
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,959
Speaker 1: National Forest, trying to get onto, uh, onto some elk.

1177
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: And I did that pretty much every day the hunt.

1178
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: And it was the second or third last day of

1179
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: the hunt. UM, I decided to just check on this

1180
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: little piece of public I've been in there ten or

1181
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: fifteen times during that hunt, and parked and just ran

1182
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: to the top of that little piece. UM just caught

1183
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: a little five point bowl coming through. I was able

1184
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: to to take that bowl. Um, just this little teeny

1185
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: sliver a public land surrounded by private and I just remember,

1186
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: um the validation of getting it done on such a

1187
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: low success rate unit, but also just being grateful that

1188
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: there was this little piece um amongst all, amongst all

1189
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: the private, that I could just run away to after

1190
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: work every night and run in there as fast as

1191
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: I could and just try to get an hour in

1192
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: before I got dark. And uh that was the first

1193
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,439
Speaker 1: out that I ever killed on my own, no other help,

1194
01:05:56,520 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: nobody around, and so it was just really uh validating

1195
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: and a really fulfilling experience for me. And it never

1196
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 1: would have happened without that little section of public land

1197
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: being blocked off. The public land island just I mean,

1198
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: it's literally can't be two hundred acres. It's probably more

1199
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: like hundred acres, small, small chunk, so a million stories

1200
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: like everybody else, I'm sure, but Casey, yeah, not one

1201
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: really sticks out in my mind. But um, I really

1202
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: had a lot of fun this year turkey hunting, and uh,

1203
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: me and my little brother Logan that films for us now,

1204
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: would just go out every morning. We probably went out

1205
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: ten days in a row, close together. But yeah, we

1206
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: found this little chunk of public land with our on

1207
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 1: X maps. But it was really cool too, uh to

1208
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: find this little chunk of paradise. And it was paradise.

1209
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: There was Turkey's ever all over Goblin. There was deer

1210
01:06:56,760 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: in there, moves like, and I was just a maze

1211
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: that that place existed because I had actually lived up

1212
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: by this piece and I had always thought all of

1213
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: this country was was all privately owned and uh, obviously,

1214
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: with the helps of our on X map, we're able

1215
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: to find it. But we had we had an absolute blast.

1216
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, it wasn't the hunting that was

1217
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: so fun. It was just experiencing something that everybody can

1218
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: experience if they want. And another story is just about

1219
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: a place I grew up hunting and now thinking back,

1220
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: like I have so many experiences with my dad up

1221
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 1: there hunting elk and it's the first place I ever

1222
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:38,439
Speaker 1: took my own took an elk with a bow, and uh,

1223
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: I just made a lot of good memories up there.

1224
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: And now that I'm my kids are getting to the age,

1225
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: now we're gonna go make memories up there. And once again,

1226
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: it's just these are these are experiences that anybody can

1227
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: go and enjoy, not even just hunting. Just go out

1228
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: and enjoy this this land that we have and pass

1229
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: that down to generation generation, you know. And that's my story.

1230
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: You should stick to it. It be mack boy. My

1231
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: mind goes back a few years back to when I

1232
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: was a kid. That really resonates with me to this day.

1233
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 1: But I can remember trapes around with my dad, pays

1234
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: a hunting to start out with, for sure, when I

1235
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: just got my hunting license, and that was kind of

1236
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,719
Speaker 1: my first crack at getting out there and chasing stuff

1237
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: around on public lands. But the one that really sticks

1238
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: out to me is growing up in Oregon, we would

1239
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: always go east to the Blue Mountain Range and started

1240
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: out as an archery hunter, but before I was able

1241
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: to even hunt, I just go and kind of camp

1242
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 1: with him while he hunted around. But what really has

1243
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: left and impact is, like many of us, he was

1244
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 1: working hard to support his family. He was very passionate,

1245
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:59,759
Speaker 1: hard working, wired kind of a a guy. And sometimes

1246
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,839
Speaker 1: it's are to unlind when you're in the daily flows

1247
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 1: of life, and you know, like a lot of us,

1248
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: we get stressed out about maybe a job that we

1249
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: don't love or some situations that have been challenging and

1250
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 1: created some setbacks force. And I can vividly remember when

1251
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: we would get up to our elk camp how the

1252
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: dynamics of his personality would change. As soon as we

1253
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: got camp set, he literally would just turn into like

1254
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: this different person that I wouldn't see as much at

1255
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: home because of those things that get in the way

1256
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 1: of life. And that was just like something that has

1257
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 1: always resonated with me was how much I loved that

1258
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: moment with my dad and my family, just being out

1259
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: there on our little piece of heaven, you know, and

1260
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: that was our mountain. It was everybody's mountain, but it

1261
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 1: was our mountain when you're a kid and you're out

1262
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 1: there with your dad and your uncle and man that

1263
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 1: To this day, I always think of how important that

1264
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:11,600
Speaker 1: place was for my growth as a kid and development

1265
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,759
Speaker 1: as a hunter, and more importantly just as a building

1266
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:18,839
Speaker 1: a relationship with my dad, and that that little area

1267
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: has a ton of nostalgia. It's a really hard area

1268
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: to draw a tag now, and I hope at some

1269
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: point in my life I can go hunt it one

1270
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 1: more time now that I'm not a resident there, but

1271
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: without a doubt, that changed who I became. And it's

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01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 1: certainly a really big reason why I'm so passionate about

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Speaker 1: continue to have access. So you know, everybody that can

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Speaker 1: go have their own little throwing a little mountain or

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01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: a little piece of property that they kind of feel

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01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: like it's there's yeah, there's some id there's ideas there

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01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:53,879
Speaker 1: that just the idea. Man like I grew up in Maryland,

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01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: of course, and uh, we had public land there and

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01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 1: we hunted it a lot. And then I got a

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Speaker 1: job and moved into well. First I moved the d

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01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 1: C Washington d C. That was terrible. And then I

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01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: moved to Illinois, UM where most of the land is privatized.

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01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 1: Most of the land's farm country, most of it is

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Speaker 1: has corn on it, and most of it most of

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01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 1: the giant white tails are under lock and key. Yeah. Um.

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Speaker 1: And when I moved there as a as a just

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Speaker 1: a die hard whit tail hunter coming up, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I'm moving to the mecca. Man, I'm moving to the

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01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: white tail mecca. This is gonna be like my white

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Speaker 1: tail hunting time. I never I lived there three and

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01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: a half years, didn't kill the white tail one. I

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01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 1: got to hunt him two or three times when I

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01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: begged off an outfitter to hunt in his back forty.

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Speaker 1: And then from there I moved to Texas. And in Texas,

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01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 1: UH hunted public land twice, once for doves and I

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01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: got pelted with a few pellets. Didn't shoot any doves

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Speaker 1: with those pellets, but I took a couple myself from

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01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: another hunter, and um. The second time was hunting hogs

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Speaker 1: on a on a different place, out of a piece

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01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: of ground outside Austin, Texas, and just only saw hunters

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01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 1: and no pigs. And so I've spent probably the last

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01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: seven or eight years in this weird vacuum where you'd

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01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: wake up in the morning and you just don't have

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01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 1: there's a feeling is just not there. And that's not

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01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:35,639
Speaker 1: not being hyperbolic about that feeling. I mean that that's

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01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: truly you wake up in the morning, you're like, if

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01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:40,719
Speaker 1: I want to, I could find that public plan island

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01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: and go out there and just sit and see if

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01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:44,679
Speaker 1: a bull walks by, even if it's not hunting season,

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01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: you know. Or I could go to my mountain up

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01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: in Oregon and that like that option when it's removed

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01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: from your life. If that's what you love to do,

1313
01:12:56,479 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 1: everybody in this bus loves to do that. That that

1314
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: should take a toll on you, and it has on

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01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: me in a lot of ways. And so I can imagine.

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01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: I think if somebody said, like, hey, what happens of

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01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 1: all public land goes away? I'm like, well, I live there.

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01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: I live in Texas and it's like two percent public land.

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01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: It's a big state. It's a bit in the two

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01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 1: percent public land they have is it's pretty messy. Um.

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01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: And if it's easy to get to. It's hard to access,

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01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 1: and it's hard to get to. It generally is a

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01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: little easier to access, but it but it's a nuclear option.

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01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 1: That's the nuclear option then. And there's a lot of

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01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 1: really nice paved roads in South Texas where there's no

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01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 1: there's three houses in fifty square miles. There's really nice

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01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: paved roads because oil trucks drive on them. And I

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01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: started notice that when I hunted some big ranches down

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01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: that way. So, um, animals are the animals are supposed

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01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 1: to be. They're supposed to belong to everybody, and they're

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01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: supposed to be held and trust by the state they

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01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 1: happen to be standing in. And there's a few states

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01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: that aren't trustworth these others when it comes to that.

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01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: So you guys, everybody here grew up essentially in the West,

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01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 1: in places where this stuff is um part of your life.

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01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 1: It's part of your waking hours of the day that

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01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: it's it's out there for you. And as somebody who

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01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 1: lives in a place where it's not really there for you,

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01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 1: that sucks, man sucks. So yeah, I'd say go find

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01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 1: your piece of public land and use it as much

1341
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 1: as you possibly can, because it's not not there for

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01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 1: everybody in this world, that's for sure. Anything else everybody

1343
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 1: like that's pretty good, pretty good, pretty good. Round cooler

1344
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 1: discussion was sitting around and sitting around around table around

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01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 1: a square cooler or is the rectangle correct to? Um? Yeah,

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01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 1: I'm glad that, uh, we're all together an industry where

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01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: everybody cares. You know, there's nobody in this nobody here

1348
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: that's a wildlife biologist or legislator or professional lobbyist or

1349
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 1: anything like that, or you can speak to you know

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01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: hr five seven two three four eight one dashed seven

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01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 1: and what that actually Yeah, well I've read it and

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01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 1: it's it's a doozy case. Um, but that's not While

1353
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 1: always said that getting educated is important, that's not the

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01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 1: point of of what brings people together at some level.

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01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 1: So what's the what's the what's the action item? Everybody,

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01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 1: just give give one action item for whoever's listening to this,

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01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 1: and maybe for yourself too. I'll just say, ye, have

1358
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 1: become more educated with what's going on, specifically what uh

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01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 1: with what can possibly happen if the states take back

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01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 1: takes to back the land, and what's happened in the past. Yeah,

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01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 1: that's that's second point is an important one. What's happened

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01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 1: in the past, especially in Utah. Yeah, because that it's

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01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 1: happened already. It has Man, I'd say, uh, I talked

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01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 1: to somebody on the other side of the coin, or

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01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 1: somebody that we have things in common with, you know,

1366
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 1: maybe your palate wears a patagony best or ari I

1367
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 1: flip flops whatever. Build on that common ground and use

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01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 1: that as a platform to help them understand, um, what

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01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,679
Speaker 1: we do, and also as a platform understand the way

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01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: they feel and why they feel that way. I like it, Sam,

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01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 1: you got anything deep super deep deep bus thoughts. Um.

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01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: I mean I was gonna say, you know, if you

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01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 1: want to join some sort of a conservation organization, it's

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01:16:56,720 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 1: a good way to get educated. But above and beyond that, UM,

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01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: in a world where everything's out there, I think we

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01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: need to do a good job of just portraying ourselves

1377
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:13,799
Speaker 1: and being our own pr agents and UM portraying hunting

1378
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 1: and the reason we want to keep public lands in

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01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 1: public hands, UM portraying that as a very positive thing.

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01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 1: Back action item, Well, if you live out west, this

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01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 1: is going to be a pretty easy one. But I

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01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 1: would just say get out to your favorite public clean spot,

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01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 1: take it all in, you know, and and kind of

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01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: do a little self reflection. What does it truly mean

1385
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:37,680
Speaker 1: to you? What would it mean if you didn't have

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01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 1: the ability to go there? And if you're not in

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01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 1: a state or you know, an area that provides much

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01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: of that, make a point to go somewhere that has it,

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01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 1: you know, get out. I mean, we've met so many

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01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 1: people this weekend that have come from Virginia, Kansas, Nebraska,

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01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 1: but just you know, eastern Midwest states that they haven't

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01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time out here in Montana. And man,

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01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 1: if you want to, you want to really open your

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01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 1: eyes to the beauty of some of these public plans,

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01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 1: Montana is probably one of the better places to go

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01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:08,759
Speaker 1: check out because there's so much access just right outside

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01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: of Bowsman or Missoula. But go, uh go check it out,

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01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 1: you know. And again, a little self reflection, a little

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01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:19,679
Speaker 1: little therapeutic moment in the woods of public land spot,

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01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 1: I think could change your your trajectory on what you

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01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 1: want to do as far as taking that next step

1402
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 1: of action like we're all talking about. Yeah, I would

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01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: just say, be be active and be pro nuance, be

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01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 1: anti bullshit and surge out perspective, search out the perspectives

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01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:44,719
Speaker 1: of that matter. And and and uh, guys like Shane Mahoney,

1406
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 1: guys like Steve Rinella, Guys that have perspectives that matter.

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01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 1: And that's perspectives that are measured and that are delivered

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01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 1: in such a way that, um, it seems like they

1409
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 1: care about you. Because there's a lot of people in

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01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: the news media that don't care about you. There's a

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01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: lot of people in the hunting industry. They don't give

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01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 1: a shit about you. Um, they care about themselves. Ben,

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01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: She's crazy one of them. There's one in every group.

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01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 1: It's that's I don't care about you. Find somebody that

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01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 1: cares about you. And then that's more educated than you,

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01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 1: or that's been doing it longer, and uh and and

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01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 1: follow them and listen what they have to say, and

1418
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 1: then um, pass that on, man, pass the love on.

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01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 1: That's it. Man. It's like one in the morning, isn't

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01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:34,600
Speaker 1: it perfect? All right, We're gonna go to bed. It

1421
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 1: seems like a good time to wrap it up is

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01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 1: we're just gonna crawl into the bunk beds. I got

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01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: enough room. We're all sleeping in the bus bust, sleepover party,

1424
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 1: slumber party. Bye. That's it. That is all Episode number

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Speaker 1: twenty three in the books. Thank you too, you guys

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01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:04,480
Speaker 1: from Hushing Shed Crazy the bus guy for joining me. UM.

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01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm blown away by by the thoughtfulness of these people,

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01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 1: by the conversations that we're able to have, UM, and

1429
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 1: by the learning that we're able to do from both

1430
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 1: each other and from everybody that listens to this thing.

1431
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 1: So without getting too sappy on everybody, without getting to

1432
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: UM no teary eyed about the subject. I've got a son.

1433
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 1: It's two years old, and I hope you can listen

1434
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 1: to this in fifteen years and understand what his dad

1435
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 1: felt in this place and time about public lands and

1436
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 1: why they were so special to him and the people

1437
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 1: that he surrounded himself with. So hopefully all that comes

1438
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 1: through and came through an episode number twenty three. So

1439
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you all listening. UM. Please stick around

1440
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: for more podcasts. Please keep commenting, Please keep sending in messages,

1441
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 1: Please keep criticizing, please keep praising, Please keep doing what

1442
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 1: you do out there in the world. I really truly

1443
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 1: appreciate it. And for every single person that listens to this,

1444
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: every single person that goes out and goes hunting and

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01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: thinks of a better way. My sinceres thank you to you.

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01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 1: That's it. We'll see you next time on the Hunting

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01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:20,640
Speaker 1: clo