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Speaker 1: From housetop works dot Com. Hello and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is Princess Molly. Okay, but I'm Kristen, So Molly.

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Speaker 1: There's a new Disney princess there is who has debuted. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Princess and the Frog is the movie. Yeah, The Princess

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Speaker 1: and the Frog. It takes place in New Orleans. Combines

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Speaker 1: a little voodoo, little jazz. But the big thing about

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Speaker 1: this movie is that it is the first African American

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Speaker 1: Disney princess. Right. I feel like it's been talked about

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Speaker 1: just for months now, people awaiting to see what this

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Speaker 1: black princess is it going to be like. As soon

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Speaker 1: as they announced it already people started to be critical

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Speaker 1: of her, saying, you know, oh, she wasn't black enough,

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Speaker 1: was too black? It was gonna be in New Orleans,

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Speaker 1: is gonna have all these stereotypes? Um. People have been

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Speaker 1: dissecting this long before the movie was even finished, and

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Speaker 1: Disney went to great links while it was making this

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Speaker 1: movie to try to quell any types of discomfort people

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Speaker 1: might have had with, like you said, on either side

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Speaker 1: of it, making you know, including too many stereotypes or

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Speaker 1: not making her um realistic enough. And for instance that

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Speaker 1: even had Oprah come in and do an advanced screening

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Speaker 1: of it. I think they had people from the A c.

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Speaker 1: P come in and see it, because this is a

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Speaker 1: really big deal. And uh, one thing that's been really

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Speaker 1: controversial though with it is the questionable racial identity of

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Speaker 1: Tiana's love interest. And not mean I mean yeah, basically

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Speaker 1: he is a lighter skin there's Disney is saying that

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Speaker 1: he's totally white, and why couldn't you make him the

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Speaker 1: same skin to own a Siana like? So there's already

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Speaker 1: there's already a lot of discussion about this movie. And

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Speaker 1: there was this New York Times article that came out

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Speaker 1: in May by Brooks Barns about all the controversy about

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Speaker 1: this movie. And I really liked one quote from it

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Speaker 1: from Floyd Norman, who had worked on a lot of

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Speaker 1: Disney movies UM, and he wrote, overly sensitive people see

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Speaker 1: racial or ethnic slites in every image, and in there's

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Speaker 1: yield of sanitize and pasteurize everything. They've taken all the

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Speaker 1: fun out of cartoon making, and Tiana is under all

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Speaker 1: this scrutiny because people have just become convinced that whatever

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Speaker 1: you show a child in a Disney film is somehow

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Speaker 1: going to impact them forever. Yeah, but I do, I

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Speaker 1: do think we should know that. This uh New York

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Speaker 1: Times article also points out that the Prince hails from

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Speaker 1: the fictional land of Maldonia and is voiced by a

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Speaker 1: Brazilian actor, which is also kind of added, I guess

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Speaker 1: for their fuel to the fire. But like you said,

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Speaker 1: I mean, is are we really just being Are we

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Speaker 1: being too you know, overly sensitive? Are we, you know,

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Speaker 1: putting too much value on the impact of a Disney

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Speaker 1: the world in the future, and specifically with this um

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Speaker 1: concept of the Disney Princesses, right, and it just you know,

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Speaker 1: you can't deny that Disney princess and of itself is

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Speaker 1: a great marketing technique. What they did, um a few

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Speaker 1: who weren't even necessarily royal determined princesses, you know, um,

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Speaker 1: and just called them the princesses and it accounts for

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Speaker 1: billions of sales every year. It's the largest girls franchise

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Speaker 1: on the planet. Yeah, and it basically saved Disney's merchandizing.

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Speaker 1: At the time, it was just plummeting. And then this

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Speaker 1: you know what, we need to merchandise some princess stuff.

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Speaker 1: And it's huge. And I can attest to that. My

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Speaker 1: but it's kind of cute. Yeah, I mean, it's a

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Speaker 1: all the princess there are the top of your head.

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Speaker 1: The official princesses. Do it because I'm looking at them

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Speaker 1: on a piece of paper. Um, there's Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty,

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Speaker 1: snow White, Aerial Bell, Jasmine, Milan, and Pocahonas. Now, Milan

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Speaker 1: it really is a whole, a whole lifestyle. But then

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Speaker 1: Should she be dressing like a princess? Are these princesses

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Speaker 1: even good role models? Because if you reduce them down

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Speaker 1: royal line exactly. And I think probably the one that

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Speaker 1: from The Long Mermaid because she gives up her voice,

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Speaker 1: Like is there anything that, like a good um feminist

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