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Speaker 3: This is it could happen here. Executive Disorder, our weekly

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Speaker 3: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling

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Speaker 3: world what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis this episode,

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Speaker 3: I'm joined by Na Wong and Robert Evans. Were covering

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Speaker 3: the week of August twenty first and August twenty seventh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we sure are.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe cracker Barrel would do that. It's outrageous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's clearly the biggest news.

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Speaker 3: Thankfully they switched it back. They took the cracker out

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Speaker 3: of the barrel, and thankfully though they've.

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Speaker 1: Reversed course put the cracker back in.

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Speaker 3: I really don't understand how it's how it's woke. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I do understand, because I understand how this messaging works, but.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter anytime anything happens, and they can see

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Speaker 1: a backlash forming you after the fact because people were

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Speaker 1: starting to get pissed off about the fucking cracker barrel

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Speaker 1: thing in the same way like that happen with fucking

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Speaker 1: Games Workshop earlier this year, Like they redid their logo

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Speaker 1: in a shitty way. It is the same like minimal bullshit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: everyone's doing it.

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Speaker 3: It's it's not woke. Yeah, it's just incentivizing like capitalist conformity.

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Speaker 3: This is why they've changed all of the buildings of

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Speaker 3: like you know, McDonald's pizza Hut to the same structure,

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Speaker 3: so you can use the property and resell it over

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Speaker 3: and over and over again without having to do yes,

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Speaker 3: big renovations. It's just all about capitalist efficiency. It's not

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Speaker 3: about woke.

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Speaker 1: It's got nothing to do with woke. But there's people

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Speaker 1: whose whole like Chris Rufo, whose whole job is sitting

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Speaker 1: around and as soon as you started to see the

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Speaker 1: backlash forming it and realize like, oh, there's probably gonna

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Speaker 1: be a spree of these companies coming in with these

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Speaker 1: new minimalist logos. Because it's clearly a trend in like consultancies,

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Speaker 1: right like it started happening. This is not the first one.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna look around until I see one

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Speaker 1: of these that feels like it's got culture war potential,

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Speaker 1: and Cracker Barrel is an obvious one, like if I'm looking,

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Speaker 3: I think they're also responding to, like, you know, the

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Speaker 3: Lakes and using this in a similar way, except they

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Speaker 3: part part part of that whole backlash as well. It's

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Speaker 3: funny though I have seen like I don't. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if it's from Chris Ruffo, but you know people

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Speaker 3: is wokeism because minimalism is based on brutalism, which was

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Speaker 3: invented by communists. So actually turning everything into this minimalist

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, it doesn't matter outside of the fact

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Speaker 1: that people whenever you buy into it, like you're you're

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Speaker 1: helping to feed like if you like, even dunking on.

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Speaker 1: That's part of like the problem is that like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: just talking about this shit at all fuels the feedback loop, right,

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Speaker 1: And that's that's what this is, is a feedback loop

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Speaker 1: that they're very good at manipulating for political purposes. And

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Speaker 1: olds in the audience will remember the old Simpsons Halloween

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Speaker 1: solution that's an old ad Man gives everyone is like, well,

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Speaker 1: if you want to stop the monsters, just look away.

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Speaker 1: Advertising feeds on attention, you know, and as every once

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Speaker 3: Say cracker barrel has fallen and like Christ after three days,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Great. Anyway, speaking of memes, unfortunately we should talk

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Speaker 1: about this horrible mass shooting that is probably going to

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Speaker 1: to reduce it to that, but yeah.

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Speaker 3: We're recording this on Wednesday, a few hours after the shooting.

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Speaker 3: This is in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there was a mass shooting at a Minneapolis Catholic school,

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Speaker 1: Annunciation Catholic School. This happened earlier the day that we're

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Speaker 1: recording this, So that's going to be Wednesday, August twenty seventh.

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Speaker 1: As of right now at about two eleven pm PST,

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Speaker 1: two children are dead, Seventeen people, mostly children, are wounded.

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Speaker 1: The shooter is also dead, and the shooter has been

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Speaker 1: identified as Robin Westman, who graduated from the school in

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Speaker 3: Their mom also worked at the school until very recently.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's not at all an unusual kind of situation.

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Speaker 1: Mass shooters at schools often are either attending the school

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Speaker 1: is all pretty standard for somebody shooting up a school.

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Speaker 1: What's different is one of the things that's different is

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Speaker 1: that the shooter basically followed in Brenton Tarrant the christ

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Speaker 1: a white paint pen and covered it. In the names

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Speaker 1: of other mass shooters, references to racial annihilation memes like

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Speaker 1: the Removed Kabab meme, which is in short, a memes

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Speaker 1: celebrating the Bosnian genocide, and it was a meme that

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Speaker 1: was specifically Brenton Tarrant had signaled in his like manifesto

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Speaker 1: and I think on his gun he had a remove

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Speaker 1: Kebob reference, but it's something he signaled and it was

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Speaker 1: on the shooter's firearm as well as the names. I

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Speaker 1: mean Tarrant. There's references to Tarrant on there. Timothy mc McVeagh,

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Speaker 1: Ted Kazenski, the Unibomber, a.

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Speaker 3: Whole bunch of other more recent mass shooters, people who

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Speaker 3: are in like the mass shooter fandom, yeah, as well

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Speaker 3: as just a collection of memes from like old memes.

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Speaker 1: Too utterly unrelated to shooting, Like there's a loss meme

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Speaker 1: on there, and if you're a lot of people are going, wait,

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Speaker 1: what the fuck? Really? Yeah, and if you're too young

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Speaker 1: for loss. There used to be a wet well. I

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Speaker 1: think there still is a web comic called Control Alt Delete.

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Speaker 1: It started in like the early two thousands. It might

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Speaker 1: have gotten started in the late nineties, and it was

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Speaker 1: character's girlfriend has a miscarriage, and the strip in which

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Speaker 1: it's gotten to the point where people are abstracting the

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Speaker 1: four panels into like a minimalist line representation of how

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Speaker 1: the blocking look like. It's a bit people have done

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Speaker 1: everything like put loss memes on everything, like that's the

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Speaker 1: joke at this point, more than a reference to the

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Speaker 1: show is like, look at this new crazy place. Somebody

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Speaker 1: put a loss meme, and.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a game.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of what we're saying with the shooter

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Speaker 1: loss meme on the bear or on the side of

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Speaker 1: furthest craziest extent of the loss meme. Right.

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Speaker 3: If this is anything, it is like a mimetic shooting.

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Speaker 3: It is based on a whole bunch of memes about

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Speaker 3: other mass shootings as well, specifically in the way that

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Speaker 3: and catchphrases. It's not in the way that the shooter

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Speaker 3: to them as they exist in the lineage of other

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 3: It's a perfunctory use of slurs and of messaging that

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Speaker 3: just kind of wraps around this whole like nihilistic fandom

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Speaker 3: culture around other mass shooters, and like that is that's

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Speaker 3: what this shooting is. I've watch now like seventeen minutes

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Speaker 3: going through their diaries and journals, inspired by a whole

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Speaker 3: bunch of like Eastern European mass shooters as well. And

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Speaker 3: this shooter reminds me of participants of what's called the

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Speaker 3: true crime community or TCC. Not as in like the

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Speaker 3: genre of true crime podcasts or documentaries, but it's more

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Speaker 3: of an online fandom based on a personal obsession with

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Speaker 3: mass killers themselves and specifically school shooters. And this community

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Speaker 3: encourages reenactments and tries to get some people to do

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Speaker 3: their own mass shootings. Yeah, and this is not the

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Speaker 3: first one of these we've had in this past year. Now,

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Speaker 3: the shooting in Wisconsin last December I spent the rep Noow,

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Speaker 3: which we reported on on NI could Happen Here, was

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Speaker 3: also in this variant of like Columbiner True Crime community shootings.

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Speaker 3: Repnow's name is on one of this shooter's rifles. Yes,

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Speaker 3: there was a shooting in Tennessee a few months later

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Speaker 3: which also referenced Repnow, done by a black white supremacist

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Speaker 3: in cel whose manifesto was full of like plagiarized memes

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Speaker 3: and other manifestos. It's about this, like yeah, this complete

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Speaker 3: lack of meaning, Like they scatter shot all of these

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Speaker 3: memes and references and like bits of manifestos and like

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Speaker 3: images to just to make this whole mess of stuff

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Speaker 3: to look at. But none of it actually means anything.

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Speaker 1: Well, and the draining of meaning, the flattening of meaning

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Speaker 1: is part of the pla. That's the point taking is

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Speaker 1: taking a man who shot fucking fifty people to death

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Speaker 1: and turning that into the same thing as a twenty

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Speaker 1: year old joke about a comic strip in terms of

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Speaker 1: its impact and severity, Because if that's no more serious

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Speaker 1: or meaningful or painful than fucking a joke about Tim

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Speaker 1: Buckley's dumbass cartoon. Like, once you get someone in a

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Speaker 1: mind state where they accept that they're willing to accept

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Speaker 1: a lot of terrible things, right, And the goal here

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Speaker 1: is creating content in the form of mass shootings, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: that is the goal, and that is also what people

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Speaker 1: committed by Samantha ruppnow, but there's also I found a

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Speaker 3: It's based around like specifically like like an obsession over

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Speaker 1: Right. And there's more to say about like the culture

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Speaker 3: So that's the actual like background of what this shooting was.

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Speaker 3: Violence Archive says that there have been two hundred and

435
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Speaker 3: eighty six mass shootings in the United States so far

436
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five. If one or two trans people

437
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Speaker 3: do a mass shooting, that would still mean trans people

438
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Speaker 3: at one percent of the population, are less likely to

439
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Speaker 3: do a shooting compared to CIS people. There was like

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Speaker 3: one legitimate trans mass shooting targeting a school a few

441
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Speaker 3: years ago in Nashville, and if this happens to be

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Speaker 3: the second, I don't think that this new brain Rod

443
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Speaker 3: Columbine true crime community shooting will make much of an

444
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Speaker 3: impact on trans people nationwide. Think of how quick conservatives

445
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Speaker 3: moved on from the Zizians, and certainly being trans is

446
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Speaker 3: not a motivating factor of this shooting. If you look

447
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Speaker 3: at their writing and videos posted on YouTube before they

448
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Speaker 3: did this, this nihilistic meme maximili has no trans causation.

449
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Speaker 3: It has nothing to do with being trans. There's no

450
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Speaker 3: coherent or ideological leftist screed, there's no pronoun pins. Their

451
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Speaker 3: journal talks both about quote unquote hating fascism and inequality,

452
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Speaker 3: while also hating Jews, Arabs, Mexicans, Indians, calling Somali's subhuman

453
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Speaker 3: and criminal, writing that quote white people should rule the

454
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Speaker 3: world unquote, but that minority should quote unquote have rights.

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Speaker 3: While talking about ideological Nazi killers, they remarked, quote, I

456
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Speaker 3: don't often find myself aligning with these killers specific ideologies unquote.

457
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Speaker 3: They said that they disliked racism but also were racist.

458
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Speaker 3: They wrote about killing quote unquote fags while also calling

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Speaker 3: themself one on one of their weapons. This shooter and

460
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Speaker 3: all the memes and rhetoric they use is most similar

461
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Speaker 3: to the Rep. Noow shooting last December in Wisconsin in

462
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Speaker 3: terms of the neo Columbiner school shooter obsession, as well

463
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Speaker 3: as the white supremacist mimetic black in cell shooting in NNOC, Tennessee,

464
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Speaker 3: last January. All these shootings are heavily referential, contradictory, and

465
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Speaker 3: intentionally incoherent. Right, every single extremist political faction is represented there,

466
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Speaker 3: because that that is the point, is combining all of

467
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Speaker 3: these references two previous mass shootings, So they're incorporating everything

468
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Speaker 3: they can and things that they just think are funny,

469
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Speaker 3: like just a whole bunch of like meaningless memes.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 3: And that's vastly more important than whatever gender identity the

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Speaker 3: shooter happens to have right now at this point in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, anyway, folks, there's going to be a

475
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Speaker 1: lot of people going the sky is falling over what

476
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Speaker 1: this is going to mean for people and how this

477
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Speaker 1: is going to be used. And obviously this is terrible.

478
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Speaker 1: I'm not telling you not to feel terrible about a

479
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Speaker 1: mass shooting.

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Speaker 3: You should feel bad about the actual mass shooting.

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Speaker 1: You should feel bad about the mass shooting the sky.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's been falling right, Yeah, let's give

483
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Speaker 1: this one a little bit to see if it makes

484
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Speaker 1: this sky fall any faster, or if in a week

485
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Speaker 1: we're like, no, this guy's still falling at about the

486
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Speaker 1: same rate, which isn't good. It's just what happens. It's

487
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Speaker 1: where we are, all right, ads, and we're back.

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Speaker 3: We can safely leave the brain rot in the previous

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Speaker 3: section and now talk about something totally real. The economy.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the economy, which never kills people.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so speaking of things that have never killed any one, eye,

492
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Speaker 4: that's so not true. The volkershaw killed so many people.

493
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Speaker 4: But a very very critical rubicon was crossed on Monday

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Speaker 4: of this week when Trump attempted to fire a member

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Speaker 4: of the Federal Reserve Board, Lisa Cook. Now, Lisa Cook

496
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Speaker 4: is refusing to step down under the fairly obvious justification

497
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Speaker 4: that the president does not have the power to do this.

498
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Speaker 4: Trump has been cooking a very weird thing, accusing her

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Speaker 4: of mortgage fraud as a way to remove her from

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Speaker 4: the Federal Reserve Board. But Trump does not have the

501
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Speaker 4: power to do this. So we are in the midst

502
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Speaker 4: effectively of a confrontation over this, where Lisa Cook has

503
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Speaker 4: continued to just not actually leave her position at the

504
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Speaker 4: Federal Reserve and is going to court. This is an

505
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Speaker 4: extremely significant escalation of what up until this point had

506
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Speaker 4: largely been a series of attacks on the Federal Reserve's governor,

507
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Speaker 4: Jerom Powell. There are a few factors here that one

508
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Speaker 4: of the most important things is Trump's anger over continuing

509
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Speaker 4: high interest rates or sort of high interest rate. Trump

510
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Speaker 4: wants to slash interest rates because he thinks it will

511
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Speaker 4: make the economy grow more. Now, when I said this

512
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Speaker 4: was the crossing of the rubicon, what this is is

513
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Speaker 4: this is the beginning of the fight over whether the

514
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Speaker 4: Federal Reserve is going to be an independent density right.

515
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Speaker 4: Trump has been attempting to, as we've talked about in

516
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Speaker 4: the show, appoint Stephan Miran as another one of the

517
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Speaker 4: governors on the Federal Reserves Board. Miran very explicitly wants

518
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Speaker 4: to eliminate the independence of the Federal Reserve. What to

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Speaker 4: talk about exactly what that means in a second, But

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Speaker 4: I want to read this quote from Fortune magazine report

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Speaker 4: on it describing a JP Morgan analysis of the situation,

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Speaker 4: because this has really spooked a bunch of major financial

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Speaker 4: institutions for very obvious reasons.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 4: In a note on Friday, JP Morgan analysts, led by

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Speaker 4: chief economist Bruce Cassman, highlighted key proposals such as giving

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Speaker 4: atwill power to the President to fire FED by members

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Speaker 4: and FED bank presidents, giving Congress control of the Fed's

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Speaker 4: operating budget, and shifting the Fed's regulatory responsibility over banks

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Speaker 4: and markets to the Treasury. So this is what Stefan

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Speaker 4: Mihern has been proposing. This is what looks to be

532
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Speaker 4: the long term plan of Trump and the people around him.

533
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Speaker 4: Eliminating the Federal Reserve is a long, long time goal

534
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Speaker 4: of the far right for an extremely convoluted variety of reasons.

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Speaker 4: The FED in and of itself is an extremely confusing entity.

536
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Speaker 4: Its creation has spawned a full century of academic arguments

537
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Speaker 4: about what the States even is, and it's complicated to describe.

538
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Speaker 4: Also because most of the information will not most, but

539
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Speaker 4: a significant portion of the information about it is just

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Speaker 4: anti Semitic conspiracy. Because this is eliminating the Federal Reserve.

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Speaker 4: In the return to quote unquote, sound money is one

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Speaker 4: of the key elements of a massive network of sort

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Speaker 4: of right wing, very old right wing conspiracy theories. But

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Speaker 4: I think that the thing that's best understood by people

545
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Speaker 4: kind of is just about the Federal Reserve is the

546
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Speaker 4: FED printer meme, and the Federal Reserve is the body

547
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Speaker 4: that creates money like that is that is authorized to

548
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Speaker 4: create the US dollar. That is why it's a Federal

549
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Speaker 4: Reserve bank. It is critical on a level that is

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Speaker 4: difficult to express to the entire functioning of the world economy. Now,

551
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 4: the Federal Reserve Board is technically a government entity, but

552
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Speaker 4: it is it was set up explicitly to be quote

553
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Speaker 4: unquote non political. Now the extent to which that's true

554
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Speaker 4: is fuzzy, obviously, But the point of it was so

555
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Speaker 4: that there would be a large scale financial institution that

556
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Speaker 4: controls like the money supply effectively, that that controls enormous

557
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Speaker 4: portions of US sort of macroeconomics policy through its due

558
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Speaker 4: as control of interest rates would not be able to

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Speaker 4: be like directly interfered with by the President or Congress.

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Speaker 4: That is that it's the whole point of this, you know.

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Speaker 4: It is effectively a measure to instill confidence that the

562
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Speaker 4: US isn't going to just like turn the printers on

563
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Speaker 4: and print a bunch of money from every other capitalist

564
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Speaker 4: in the world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and like so much. When that promise goes away,

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Speaker 1: what happens, I don't know. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, and this is this is something that I think,

568
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Speaker 4: I think is not understood very well.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: The current conflict is largely over Trump wanting to be

571
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Speaker 4: able to control the Federal reserves interest rates. Right, So

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Speaker 4: he wants he wants the lower federal interest rates to

573
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Speaker 4: make it make it cheaper to borrow money because he

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Speaker 4: thinks this will pump more money back into the economy

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Speaker 4: and this will make the economy grow. And he thinks

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Speaker 4: that he's being like sabotaged by the FED. The Fed's

577
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Speaker 4: worried about inflation. But I actually think that focusing just

578
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Speaker 4: on that part of the Federal Reserve is significantly underestimating

579
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Speaker 4: how important the Federal Reserve is to the entire structure

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Speaker 4: of the economy. There are so many just sort of

581
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Speaker 4: random things that it does that are not particularly well understood.

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Speaker 4: I was talking about this earlier on a meeting, but

583
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Speaker 4: the significant portion of the gold held by countries around

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Speaker 4: the world is literally just keptain a vault under the

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Speaker 4: New York Federal Reserve building, and that's just the sort

586
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Speaker 4: of seemingly random thing that it does. I was reading

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Speaker 4: about its payment system for reasons that I'll talk about

588
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Speaker 4: in the episode to do about this next week. It

589
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Speaker 4: just in a footnote about the payment system, there is

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Speaker 4: a part where it says that the Federal Reserve runs

591
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Speaker 4: the payment system for the World Bank. So this is

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Speaker 4: something that is a critical, critical, an extremely complicated center

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Speaker 4: of the entire capitalist world. Right, Its payment infrastructure has

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Speaker 4: trillions of dollars a year and moving through it. If

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Speaker 4: this infrastructure stops working or breaks a little bit, a

596
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Speaker 4: lot of the very subtle management of the economy of

597
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 4: the Federal Reserve does can stop working. And you know,

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Speaker 4: again we've been talking mostly about interest rates and its

599
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Speaker 4: ability to sort of print money, which is oversimplification, but

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Speaker 4: you know, for example, the Fed also does these things

601
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Speaker 4: like carries out these like massive overnight repo agreements, like

602
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Speaker 4: inject liquidity into the market. There's all of these massive

603
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Speaker 4: we are talking billions and billions of dollars of financial

604
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Speaker 4: interventions that you basically never even hear about that have

605
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Speaker 4: been stabilizing the economy since two thousand and eight. And

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00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 4: this apparatus if it is dismantled, if it has directly

607
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Speaker 4: seized control of by Trump. And and part of what's

608
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Speaker 4: going on with this board is that Trump is trying

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Speaker 4: to get a majority of the people on the Board

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Speaker 4: of Governors of the Federal Reserve to be his appointment

611
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Speaker 4: so that he can control it directly, and so they

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Speaker 4: can start bringing it under directly under the control of

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Speaker 4: I mean the president effectively. Right, this is something where

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Speaker 4: if you unleash the doge people on the Federal Reserve

615
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Speaker 4: and the payment system, the settlement and clearance systems stop working.

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Speaker 4: We are talking about a catastrophe that it's unclear to

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Speaker 4: me whether it's even been modeled. There are so many

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Speaker 4: different complicated things that this institution does that these people

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Speaker 4: do not understand particularly well at all and think that

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Speaker 4: they can use to just sort of permanently create a

621
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Speaker 4: bubble economy that they can ride. And this is the

622
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Speaker 4: first sort of shot over the battle. Isn't even in

623
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Speaker 4: the right where this is the first engagement over the

624
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Speaker 4: fight for that. There's also been a lot of sort

625
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Speaker 4: of taco analysis of this, arguing that this is actually

626
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Speaker 4: Trump backing down from trying to fire Jerom Powell to

627
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Speaker 4: just try to fire one of the Reserve board members

628
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Speaker 4: that's not backing down. There's also a chance to heal that.

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Speaker 4: If this works, he's going to try to fire Powell too.

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Speaker 4: So we're gonna We're gonna keep watching a situation. I'm

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Speaker 4: going to talk more about it next week when we

632
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Speaker 4: know more, and also talk about what the Federal Reserve

633
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Speaker 4: is as an institution, And we're going to continue monitoring the

634
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Speaker 4: situation because it is extremely important and handing the keys

635
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Speaker 4: over to these people is something that is dangerous enough

636
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Speaker 4: that it is creating significant pushback among the actual people

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Speaker 4: in finance and in the banking system who matter.

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Speaker 1: Great, well, it's so good. I mean, we'll see if

639
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Speaker 1: this means anything other than more suffering for you know people.

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Speaker 1: I guess that's where I am, as like, is there

641
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Speaker 1: even a level of fucking with the money that Trump

642
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Speaker 1: can do that that's enough to seriously cause consequences for him?

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Speaker 1: And there must be, but it's just hard to imagine

644
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Speaker 1: if there was. It's this. Yeah, we'll see. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's the fun thing with the big stories we've got

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Speaker 1: this week is they're all like, well, could get a

647
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Speaker 1: lot worse, could just stay as bad as it is

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Speaker 1: right now. Well, we'll continue to wait to see what's

649
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Speaker 1: going to happen with all of that. Speaking of something

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Speaker 1: that we don't have to just wait and wonder what's

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Speaker 1: going to go on, because the news changes every single week.

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Speaker 1: Here's the tariff song.

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Speaker 6: Rocket Jazz, Rocket Jazz, good sal locking rocking jazz, rocking jazz.

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Speaker 3: Boy.

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Speaker 4: Oh boy so, and yet another instance of the whole

656
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Speaker 4: Trump backing down thing not happening. The tariffs on India

657
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Speaker 4: that Trump had been threatening for the purchases of Russian

658
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 4: oil have in fact taken effect. The terriff right on

659
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Speaker 4: India is now fifty percent. This is a significant barrier

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Speaker 4: to any trade between India and the US. It is

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Speaker 4: again sort of unclear whether India is going to bow

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Speaker 4: to the political pressure here because as with many of

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Speaker 4: these terriffs, we've talked about this situation with Brazil fairly

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Speaker 4: extensively on this show. The thing about imposing tariffs on

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Speaker 4: a country to get them to fall in line with

666
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Speaker 4: the American policy is that it pisses off everyone in

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Speaker 4: the country, regardless of whether or not they would traditionally

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Speaker 4: be US allies, and so there's you know, it creates

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Speaker 4: a massive countervailing pressure against the financial incentive to fall

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Speaker 4: in line and stop buying Russian oil. I also, very

671
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Speaker 4: briefly want to talk about something that I think is

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Speaker 4: a sort of part and parcel of the tariff policy

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Speaker 4: that Garson you have mentioned wanted to talk about, which

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Speaker 4: is like the US purchasing ten percent of Intel.

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Speaker 3: Yes, socialism has been achieved. We did it. Now now

676
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Speaker 3: you can finally call Trump a national socialist.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And this is sort of a intensification, I guess,

679
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Speaker 4: of a agree that we talked about a while back,

680
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Speaker 4: where Intel was talking about giving part of its profits

681
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Speaker 4: to the US. This is just the US government is

682
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Speaker 4: just buying a stake in these companies.

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Speaker 3: And this is.

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Speaker 4: Actually a very very weird maneuver by the US because

685
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Speaker 4: the US has obviously bought companies before, right, this is

686
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Speaker 4: how a lot of the bailout worked. But the thing

687
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Speaker 4: about if you look at the bailout from two thousand

688
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Speaker 4: and eight and you look at the US like purchasing

689
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Speaker 4: the automakers, the US got these really weird specific shares

690
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Speaker 4: that don't give any kind of controlling interest. And here

691
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 4: the direct rationale for this that the US should just

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Speaker 4: own part of the chip manufacturers because they're effectively like

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Speaker 4: domestic national security resources. Significant portions of the market think

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Speaker 4: that this is going to be a continuing tread, and

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Speaker 4: the US is going to continue buying stakes in these companies.

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Speaker 4: There is a sort of symbiotic relationship here in the

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Speaker 4: sense that on the one hand, it's obviously not great

698
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Speaker 4: to have sort of stakes in you bought by the

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Speaker 4: US governments and have US government federal policy directly dictating

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Speaker 4: what these companies do. But on the other hand, it

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Speaker 4: creates for these actual companies themselves, It creates a sort

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Speaker 4: of symbiosis right where these people now have effectively guaranteed

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Speaker 4: state backing that can bail them out of all of

704
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Speaker 4: their unbelievably terrible business decisions around basing all of their

705
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Speaker 4: production around AI. So yeah, and this this is all

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Speaker 4: sort of part of the same hypernationalists direct.

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Speaker 3: National socialism, if you will, Yes, kind of national sentence,

708
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Speaker 3: but the most stupid for we've ever seen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I don't know, there's gonna be a lot

710
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Speaker 4: of hype about this being like American state capitalism or something,

711
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 4: and just ignore that, just just ignore it. It's bad.

712
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Speaker 4: I think it's it's in the same category as a

713
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Speaker 4: lot of the things here, which is that Trump administration

714
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Speaker 4: is trying to consolidate as much power over the economy

715
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Speaker 4: as they can, both in federal Reserve and through just

716
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Speaker 4: straight up taking controlling parts of companies. This is a

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Speaker 4: trend that's going to continue, and it's not good.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what is good? Though? You beat me

719
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Speaker 3: to that exactly, that's right. The fact that we get

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Speaker 3: a nice ninety to to I don't know, one hundred

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Speaker 3: and twenty second break to listen to these ads. All right,

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Speaker 3: we are back. There has just been so much news

723
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Speaker 3: this week it's kind of outrageous. Trump is continuing his

724
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Speaker 3: attacks against the Smithsonian for for going woke is He's

725
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Speaker 3: promised a Department of Justice lawsuit against California for their

726
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Speaker 3: new redistricting map. A GOP House probe has begun to

727
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Speaker 3: investigate if the DC crime stats have been faked this

728
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Speaker 3: whole time, making it look like crime is low even

729
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Speaker 3: though it's obviously super high as we all know. As

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Speaker 3: Mia said, we have socialism now with ten percent of

731
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Speaker 3: intel and Trump and Hague says announced that they want

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Speaker 3: to change the name of the Department of Defense back

733
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Speaker 3: to the Department of War because it quote unquote sounds stronger.

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Speaker 4: Hey, this is this is the only one of those

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Speaker 4: that I that I actually agree with. They should do this,

736
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Speaker 4: Like calling it anything other than the Department of War

737
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Speaker 4: is incredibly dishonest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder that I'll make it a harder sort

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Speaker 1: of get people on board, increasing funding.

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Speaker 5: So it used to be called the Department of War,

741
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Speaker 5: and it had a stronger sound. And as you know, we.

742
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Speaker 7: Won World War One, we won World War two, we

743
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Speaker 7: won everything.

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Speaker 8: Now we have a Department of Defense with defenders.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you people want to standing behind me,

746
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Speaker 5: if you take a little vote, if you want to

747
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Speaker 5: change it back to what it was when we used

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Speaker 5: to win wars all the time, that's okay with me.

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Speaker 7: All right, that's coming.

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Speaker 5: You let me know if you want to do it.

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Speaker 5: I think Department of War. It just sounded me.

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Speaker 8: And you said, sir, behalf of the Department of Defense.

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Speaker 1: Defense.

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Speaker 7: I don't want to be defense only. We want defense,

755
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Speaker 7: but we want offense too, if that's okay, So you'll

756
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Speaker 7: make a decision. But you know, as Department of War,

757
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Speaker 7: we won everything. We want everything, and I think we're

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Speaker 7: gonna have to go back to that.

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Speaker 3: All right, man, cool stuff happening in the FOE.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I do like that when he starts that speech,

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Speaker 1: he has to go like we won World War One,

762
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Speaker 1: Like he's like, there's a question at the end there

763
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Speaker 1: where he's like he's he's like, he's like, just make sure.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't really remember if we won

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Speaker 1: that one or not, but we definitely won the second

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Speaker 1: one and others.

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Speaker 3: When as to how he would go about change the

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Speaker 3: name as it requires an Act of Congress, Trump replied

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Speaker 3: to quote, We're just gonna do it. I'm sure Congress

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Speaker 3: would go along if we need that. I don't think

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Speaker 3: we even need that, But if we need that, I'm

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Speaker 3: sure Congress will go along.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that we do we need I don't

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Speaker 1: know if what you need to change the name of

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Speaker 1: the Department.

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Speaker 3: Of Defense, you do?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you do? That makes sense to do that.

778
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Speaker 4: Auto Macro's sense right. What Trump is suggesting, heureus would

779
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Speaker 4: wouldn't it simply be more efficient if there was simply

780
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Speaker 4: a fearer, a single person to make all the decisions?

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Speaker 3: He said a lot of things in that vein recently

782
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Speaker 3: is like Congress being more of a symbolic, symbolic branch

783
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Speaker 3: of government that if we need them, they'll probably just

784
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Speaker 3: agree with me, but like we don't.

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Speaker 1: Really that's your standard dictator stuff.

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Speaker 3: That's how we's been talking about it recently.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: Earlier this week, a redacted transcript of Gallaine maxwells Gilen

789
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Speaker 3: Jiselene Maxwell's meeting with Trump's DOJ has been released, where

790
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Speaker 3: she denied that she ever witnessed President Trump engaged in

791
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Speaker 3: inappropriate behavior, saying, quote, I actually never saw the president

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Speaker 3: in any type of massage setting. The President was never

793
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Speaker 3: gonna appropriate with anybody, and the times that I was

794
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Speaker 3: with him, he was a gentleman in all respects unquote.

795
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Speaker 3: She also denied allegations that Prince Andrew ever had sex

796
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Speaker 3: with a minor in her home, saying that a substantiating

797
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Speaker 3: photograph is quote unquote fake.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can't imagine why she'd lie.

799
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Speaker 3: And also claimed that there is no Epstein quote unquote

800
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Speaker 3: client less. So yeah, that all about wraps that up.

801
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Speaker 3: I think we got to the bottom of the whole

802
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Speaker 3: Epstein case. We don't need to worry about this anymore.

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Speaker 1: I would say, of all of those, the one of

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Speaker 1: those that I might have believed before she denied it

805
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Speaker 1: was that there wasn't an additional client list outside of

806
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Speaker 1: what we've already seen like his black wole. Oh yeah,

807
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't keep all of

808
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Speaker 1: that many notes on a criminal conspiracy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think here's a list of being like,

810
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Speaker 3: here's all of my pedophile friends in one place.

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Speaker 1: Here's what does make me wonder now, and this really

812
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Speaker 1: is the first time I am, which is that they

813
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Speaker 1: clearly came here with a list of Here is all

814
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Speaker 1: of the things you need to say you didn't see.

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Speaker 3: Like maybe or she's just savvy enough to know what

816
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Speaker 3: to say, Like I don't even think, Yeah, we don't

817
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 3: even need to an allege a larger conspiracy here. I

818
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 3: think everyone involved in this is quite savvy and knows

819
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Speaker 3: what they should say and shouldn't say.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think the conspiracy is obvious, Like.

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Speaker 3: That's all there is. There doesn't need to be an

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Speaker 3: explicit quid pro crow here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. It's interesting to me that she

824
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Speaker 1: brings up Prince Andrew. If nobody brought that up to

825
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Speaker 1: her she was asked about it, That's what I'm saying

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Speaker 1: is I believe there's a conversation we're not privy here too,

827
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Speaker 1: where she got marching orders in exchange for getting you know,

828
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Speaker 1: she's basically out on work release, right, I.

829
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Speaker 3: Don't need to jump to such outrageous conspiratorial beliefs such

830
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Speaker 3: as that.

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Speaker 1: I'm okay with it at this point. Yeah, I don't

832
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Speaker 1: know what to what extend it was, but yeah, I

833
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Speaker 1: don't know this is this is pointless, like, yeah, I

834
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Speaker 1: don't know if this helps with his base. I don't

835
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Speaker 1: know that his base is going to be like, well

836
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Speaker 1: if Gilan Maxwell says it.

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Speaker 3: Nope, yeah, I mean people have responded positively, like Margor

838
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Speaker 3: Taylor Green, who was previously going on a slight offense

839
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 3: that on the Epstein things, has now fully come around

840
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Speaker 3: being like, well, there you go. It's it turns out

841
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: Trumpet isn't a pedophile after all. Thank goodness, that was

842
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 3: a close call there.

843
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Speaker 1: I know this is being disseminated to his influencer network, right,

844
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Speaker 1: and to the network of people that he like uses

845
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Speaker 1: for stuff like this. I'm wondering about the actual like

846
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Speaker 1: voter base, fan base, like time will tell, and the

847
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Speaker 1: folks who are a step or two further than Marjorie

848
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Speaker 1: Taylor Green like the like the people who are more

849
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Speaker 1: like on the Rogan side of things, like, does this

850
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Speaker 1: really move the needle for them?

851
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Speaker 3: Sure?

852
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: I hate having the cares like this, Joe Rogan, I'm

853
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: gonna buy this shlot, But this does seem like, yeah,

854
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Speaker 1: shameful even for him.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think a lot of people can see

856
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Speaker 3: that there's an incentive for going to say certain things,

857
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Speaker 3: and I think people people are smart enough to understand that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think she's going to tell the Trump's own

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Speaker 3: DOJ about like a smoking gun involving Trump. Why would

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Speaker 3: that help her try to get a pardon from the President?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think I think. I think the important thing for

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00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 4: this is that like, the people who are going to

864
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Speaker 4: believe this are the people who just don't want to

865
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Speaker 4: believe that Trump did this, and this is this is

866
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Speaker 4: a reinforcing thing that can feed them. But the question

867
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Speaker 4: is what asks for everyone else? And it's not particularly

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Speaker 4: compelling for them.

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Speaker 3: All Right, We have four executive orders to get through

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Speaker 3: before we close this episode, starting off with cashless bail.

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Speaker 3: On Monday, Trump signed two executive orders targeting cash's bail,

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Speaker 3: one specific to Washington, d c which directs law enforcement

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Speaker 3: to charge people federally and hold them in federal custody,

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Speaker 3: and to use federal funding and services as leverage to

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Speaker 3: pressure DC to change its cashless bail policies. The other

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Speaker 3: executive order targets cashless bail nationwide and asks the Attorney

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Speaker 3: General to make a list of quote, states and local

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Speaker 3: jurisdictions that have, in the Attorney General's opinion, substantially eliminated

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Speaker 3: cash bail as a potential condition of pre trial release

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Speaker 3: from custody for crimes that pose a clear threat to

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Speaker 3: public safety and order, including offenses involving violent, sexual or

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Speaker 3: indecent acts, or burglary, looting, or vandalism. The Attorney General

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Speaker 3: shall update this list as necessary. So, using that list,

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Speaker 3: Trump's cabinet will then quote identify federal funds, including grants

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Speaker 3: and contracts currently provided to cashless bail jurisdictions that may

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Speaker 3: be suspended or terminated unquote, So it's trying to bribe

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Speaker 3: states and local municipalities to cease cashless bail policies using

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Speaker 3: federal funds, the same way that they've tried to do

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Speaker 3: for a whole bunch of other anti WOUE policies Trump

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Speaker 3: has tried to force onto unwilling states. Second Executive Order

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Speaker 3: from August twenty fifth, titled Prosecuting Burning of the American Flag.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with a clip from Trump. I don't want

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Speaker 3: to just play super long Trump clips because they know

894
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Speaker 3: that can be annoying. But the way that he talks

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Speaker 3: about disorder is kind of more interesting than the way

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Speaker 3: the order is written. But we will talk about some

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Speaker 3: of those smaller details included in the actual text. But

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Speaker 3: here's a clip from c SPAN.

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Speaker 5: Flag burning all over the country. They're burning flags all

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Speaker 5: over the world.

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Speaker 3: They burn the.

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Speaker 5: American flag, and as you know, through a very sad chord.

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Speaker 5: I guess it was a five to four decision. They

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Speaker 5: called it freedom of speech. But there's another reason, which

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Speaker 5: is perhaps.

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Speaker 8: Much more important. It's called death. Because what happens when

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Speaker 8: you burn a flag is the area goes crazy. If

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Speaker 8: you have hundreds of people, they go crazy.

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Speaker 1: You could do other things, you.

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Speaker 5: Can burn this piece of paper, you could, and it's

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Speaker 5: when you burn the American flag. It incites riots at

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Speaker 5: levels that we've never seen before. People go crazy in

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Speaker 5: a way. Both ways. There's some that are going crazy

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Speaker 5: for doing it. There are others that are angry angry

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Speaker 5: about them doing it?

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Speaker 8: Do you want to discuss that?

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Speaker 5: Sure?

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Speaker 9: What the executive order does there charges your Department of

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Speaker 9: Justice with investigating instances of flag burning and then where

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Speaker 9: there's evidence of criminal activity, that where prosecution wouldn't fall

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Speaker 9: afoul of the First Amendment, and instructs the Department of

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Speaker 9: Justice to prosecute those who are engaged in these instances

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Speaker 9: of flagburn.

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Speaker 5: And what the penalty is going to be. If you

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Speaker 5: burn a flag, you get one year in jail, No.

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Speaker 7: Early exits, no nothing.

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Speaker 5: You get one year in jail. If you're burn a flag,

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Speaker 5: you get And what it does is insight to write.

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Speaker 7: I hope they use that language.

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Speaker 8: By the way, did that insight to riot?

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Speaker 3: I love it. He has to check, yeah, because God

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Speaker 3: forbid him. Actually he's citing Trump Trumpe auto pen That's right.

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Speaker 3: So included in the order, it says, quote, notwithstanding the

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court's ruling on First Men protections, the Court is

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Speaker 3: never held that American flag desecration conducted in a manner

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Speaker 3: that is likely to incite imminent lawless action, or that

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Speaker 3: is an action amounting to quote unquote fighting words, is

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Speaker 3: constitutionally protected see taxes fe Johnson unquote. The order directs

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Speaker 3: Theatery General to enforce criminal and civil laws against acts

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Speaker 3: of American flight discration that cause harm unrelated to First

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Speaker 3: Amendment expression, which could include charging people with violent crimes,

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Speaker 3: hate crimes, a legal discrimination against American citizens, what violations

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Speaker 3: of American civil rights, crimes against property and peace, as

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Speaker 3: well as conspiracies and attempts to violate in aiding and

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Speaker 3: abetting others to violate such laws, so it's like an

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Speaker 3: anti rioting thing. The dj will also look for cases

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Speaker 3: where American flag discration could violate applicable state or local laws,

948
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Speaker 3: such as open burning restrictions, disorderly conduct laws, or destruction

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Speaker 3: of proper laws, and will refer such matters to state

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Speaker 3: and local authorities for potential action. Finally, the Secretary of

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Speaker 3: State shall deny, prohibit, terminate, or revoke visas, residents permits,

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Speaker 3: naturalization proceedings, and other immigration benefits, or seek to deport

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Speaker 3: any foreignational that has engaged in American flag to secretion activity.

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Speaker 3: So that's how they're going to go after it. Rober, Are,

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Speaker 3: do you anything to say on this flag burning thing?

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're waiting. I mean, and they didn't wind

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Speaker 1: up waiting long. Someone did it immediately as they knew

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Speaker 1: they would, so that they can get a case that

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Speaker 1: they can take up to the Supreme Court. So we'll see,

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. We'll see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, they want to prosecute one of these things

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Speaker 3: and appeal it all the way to the Supreme Court

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Speaker 3: to maybe change that ruling so they can apply it

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Speaker 3: more broadly. Right, So it's part of the same test

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Speaker 3: that they've done with a number of other things that

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Speaker 3: seems unconstitutional, it seems to violate Supreme Court rulings. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but the point is to test that and see if

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Speaker 3: they can change it, just like they did with abortion.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Can we go further and if this works, if we

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Speaker 1: feel like we made productress on this, can we start

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Speaker 1: pushing and saying other things are incitement? Right? You know?

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Speaker 1: Can we start going after people who aren't even present

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Speaker 1: who write something that is like, well, this was incitement

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Speaker 1: to write because they wrote about the police murdering this guy.

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Speaker 3: Right, like a party of free speech strikes again.

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Speaker 1: This is the kind of thing where can I wargame

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Speaker 1: out would they try this if they can get that

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Speaker 1: far yeah, they will if they can get that far.

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Speaker 1: Will they get that far? You know, is the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court going to give them everything they want on this?

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Speaker 1: I don't actually know. I really don't know. So I'm

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Speaker 1: going to try not to doom spiral too much. Just

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Speaker 1: you know, let's see, none of us have any choice

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Speaker 1: in the matter at this stage.

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Speaker 3: Finally, let's address the quote, additional measures to address the

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Speaker 3: crime emergency in the District of Columbia. So it's another

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Speaker 3: executive order from August twenty fifth. Trump wants to establish

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Speaker 3: an online portal for Americans with law enforcement experience quote

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Speaker 3: or other relevant backgrounds and experience to apply to join

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Speaker 3: federal enforcementities to support the policy goals described in Executive

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Speaker 3: Order one four three three. That's the Making a DC

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Speaker 3: Safe and Beautiful Order from a few weeks ago. The

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Speaker 3: Secretary of Defense is instructed to create and begin training, manning, hiring,

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Speaker 3: and equipping a specialized unit within the District of Columbia

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Speaker 3: National Guard who will be deputized to enforce federal law.

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Speaker 3: To quote the order quote, the Secretary of Defense shall

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Speaker 3: immediately begin ensuring that each state's National Army Guard and

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Speaker 3: Air National Guard are resource trained, organized an available to

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Speaker 3: assist federal, state, and local law enforcement in quelling civil

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Speaker 3: disturbances and in ensuring the public safety and order whenever

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Speaker 3: the circumstances necessitate, as appropriate under law, in coordination with

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Speaker 3: respective Adjuncts General, the Secretary Defense shall designate an appropriate

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Speaker 3: number of each state's trained National Guard members to be

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Speaker 3: reasonably available for rapid mobilization for such purposes. In addition,

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Speaker 3: the Secretary of Defense shall ensure the availability of a

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Speaker 3: standing National Guard Quick Reaction Force that shall be resource

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Speaker 3: trained and available for rapid nationwide Deployant National Guard walking

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Speaker 3: streets of DC are now carrying firearms after first being

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Speaker 3: deployed without their service weapon, and since the operation in

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Speaker 3: DC began on August seventh, there have now been over

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Speaker 3: a thousand arrests, including dozens of undocumented immigrants. Currently, the

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Speaker 3: Pentagon is planning to deploy thousands of National Guard to

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Speaker 3: Chicago to continue Trump's alleged crime crackdown.

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Speaker 8: I would have much more respect for princecour if he'd

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Speaker 8: call me up and said, I have a problem, can

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Speaker 8: you help me fix it? I would be so happy

1018
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Speaker 8: to do it. I don't love not that I don't

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00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 8: have the right to do anything I want to do.

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Speaker 8: I'm the president of the United States. If I think

1021
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Speaker 8: our country is in danger, and it is in danger

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Speaker 8: in these cities, I can do it, no problem going

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Speaker 8: in and solving you know, his difficulties. But it would

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Speaker 8: be nice if they'd call and they say, would.

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Speaker 3: You do it?

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Speaker 1: He's hurt, poor guy. They want to ask him for help.

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Speaker 3: His little fewings he's going to have to do. He's

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Speaker 3: ano have to deploy the National Guard without putschool's approval.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: Gang In all of this focus on the people being

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Speaker 1: killed and persecuted by the government, I don't think any

1032
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Speaker 1: of us has stopped and spent enough time thinking how

1033
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Speaker 1: does Donald Trump feel? And shame on us, you know,

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Speaker 1: shame on us.

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Speaker 3: But it's not just Chicago. On Friday, the Pentagon told

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Speaker 3: Fox News at upwards of seventeen hundred National Guard troops

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Speaker 3: will be mobilized in nineteen states to be deployed across

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Speaker 3: the country to assist ice in the nationwide hunt for

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Speaker 3: undocumented immigrants. The Guard will be activated in states like Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Nebraska, Nevada,

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Speaker 3: New Mexico, Ohio, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia,

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Speaker 3: and Wyoming, with effective status ranging from August through mid November,

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Speaker 3: and operations expected to start in early September. Importantly, as

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Speaker 3: we saw in DC, national guard from other states might

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Speaker 3: deploy too states. Specifically, in the case where Trump doesn't

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Speaker 3: get cooperation from the governor who is in control of

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Speaker 3: the National Guard of each state, he can deploy national

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Speaker 3: Guard from somewhere else, like what he did in DC,

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Speaker 3: pulling national Guard from other Red states being deployed to

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Speaker 3: d C but mobilized in those Red states. So national

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Speaker 3: guards from all of these states could be deployed in

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Speaker 3: a town near you, no matter where you live. And

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Speaker 3: this operation specifically with these like seventeen hundred National Guard troops,

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Speaker 3: is specifically to assist ice his plan to do this,

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Speaker 3: like anti crime deployment in Chicago, is a separate yet

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Speaker 3: similar plan. It's also pulling from National Guard. But these

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Speaker 3: things are are two separate operations according to White House officials.

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Speaker 4: And I think one of the important things about this

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Speaker 4: is that, you know, obviously there's the part of this

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Speaker 4: where it's like, yeah, they want to at the very

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Speaker 4: least look like they're just occupying cities and they are

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Speaker 4: arresting huge numbers of people, but they also just don't

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Speaker 4: have the manpower to do this kind of stuff, which

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Speaker 4: is why they're pulling the national Guards, why they're trying

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Speaker 4: to expand the number of people on ice. This is

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Speaker 4: why they're pulling National Guard out to do this kind

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Speaker 4: of stuff, which that like, they don't actually have the

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Speaker 4: repressive capacity to just occupy cities and they're trying to

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Speaker 4: find the manpower to be able to do it.

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Speaker 3: So we will keep an eye out in September for

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Speaker 3: these possible military deployments around the country. Yep, Hey everyone,

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Speaker 3: this is Garrison recording a short update on Thursday since

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Speaker 3: we have a little bit more information about the Minneapolis,

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Speaker 3: Minnesota school shooting. So right after we recorded, rumors started

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Speaker 3: circulating that this shooter was linked to neo Nazi satanic

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Speaker 3: pedophile groups nine A and seven six four. Someone on

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Speaker 3: Twitter found a neo Nazi forum account that they alleged

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Speaker 3: belonged to this school shooter. This account used in nine

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Speaker 3: A symbol and an affiliated Twitter account made other nine

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Speaker 3: A references. These claims gained a lot of traction from

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Speaker 3: leftist accounts and armchair experts. On Twitter and Blue Sky,

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Speaker 3: lots of people were very eager to talk about something

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Speaker 3: else besides that this shooter was trans and many pinned

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Speaker 3: the blame on seven sixty four, the child exploitation group

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Speaker 3: that operates on discord and telegram that Blackmaile's children and

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Speaker 3: encourages some to commit acts of violence like school shootings.

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Speaker 3: I talked about seven sixty four on my Nihilist Violent

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Speaker 3: Extremism episode from earlier this year. As these claims spread online,

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Speaker 3: I remained skeptical because this shooter did not seem to

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Speaker 3: really fit the profile of A nine A or seven six'

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Speaker 3: four grooming. Victim this shooter did not really seem like

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Speaker 3: an ON ninea. Acolyte they more closely resembled The True

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Speaker 3: Crime community. Fandom and while Sometimes True Trime community OR

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Speaker 3: tcc may USE O nina references because other mass shooters

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Speaker 3: have or because previous mass shooters have been affiliated WITH

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Speaker 3: nina and related, GROUPS i did not see much evidence

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Speaker 3: linking this shooter TO o NINE a based on the

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00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 3: videos they posted to. YouTube and while Some Nazi satanist

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Speaker 3: types have helped facilitate The columbiner OR tcc fandom there

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Speaker 3: was no solid evidence linking a group like seven to six'

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Speaker 3: four to this. Latest shooting the shooter was in their.

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Speaker 3: Mid twenties they weren't a fourteen year old being groomed

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Speaker 3: into doing a. Mass shooting and Then on, thursday morning

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Speaker 3: the forum account alleged to Be the minneapolis shooter and

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Speaker 3: the source of claims calling them A on nina or

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Speaker 3: sen six four grimmy victim started posting again on. The

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Speaker 3: forum it wasn't the. Shooter's account the shooter did not fit.

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Speaker 3: That profile they weren't in A Cult, nazi satanist they

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00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 3: were obsessed with, mass killers and translations of their cerelic

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Speaker 3: journal have helped to. SUBSTANTIATE this a journal entry discussed

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Speaker 3: taking pleasure in dressing up as a. School shooter QUOTE

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Speaker 3: today i assembled a school shooter cause play quote and

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Speaker 3: in translations of, their journal they made explicit References To

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Speaker 3: True CRIME, community tcc saying that they might cringe if

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Speaker 3: they joined AN online, tcc community and it could make

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Speaker 3: them not want to follow through on doing, an attack

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Speaker 3: DOING online tcc fandom as mostly full. Of POSERS quote

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Speaker 3: i think joining a community would alienate my future unquote

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Speaker 3: AND quote i feel a very small PORTION of tcc

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Speaker 3: FEELS as I do harbor's admiration of. Intent unquote one

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Speaker 3: more UPDATE before i closed the episode. Earlier Today, ON

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Speaker 3: Thursday rfk junior was asked if he would now be

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Speaker 3: looking into if gender transition drugs. Cause violence he responded

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Speaker 3: by saying that they were already doing studies looking, into

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Speaker 3: that and then quickly pivoted to talking about quote launching

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Speaker 3: studies on the potential contribution of some OF the ssri

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Speaker 3: drugs and some of the other psychiatric drugs that might

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Speaker 3: be contributing to. Violence unquote this lines UP With rfk

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Speaker 3: junior's general focus on, PSYCHIATRIC drugs SSRIs, depression medication as

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Speaker 3: he has. Previously stated that's all for us today On

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Speaker 3: It Could. Happen here we reported.

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