WEBVTT - Ethan Suplee Meets World 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:24.880 M. So, I came across this term the other week, um, 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:26.680 and I've been thinking about it a lot. Have you 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:32.760 guys ever heard of the end of history illusion? No? Yeah, 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.120 but I'm intrigued. I hadn't heard this either. It's it's 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:37.440 it's a good new it's relatively new. I guess it 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:40.879 was coined in like two thousand two fourteen, and I 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.559 came across into something I was reading, And I've been 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:47.480 thinking about it a lot in relation to our show, um, 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:49.879 which is it's this, it's it's it's the end of 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:54.240 history illusion. And it's a cognitive bias that people have 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:58.440 that we tend to think of ourselves in our current 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:03.560 context or life as fixed as like we've we've we 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:07.080 were done growing, Whereas when we look back on times 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:09.200 in our lives, like we look back on our adolescents 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:12.120 or early twenties, we're able to see ourselves as like 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:14.280 a work in progress. You know that we give ourselves 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:16.480 grace when we look back and say, oh, yeah, I 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.840 wasn't fully grown yet, or I was changing constantly, But 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.880 then we rate ourselves at the current moment as like 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:25.720 incapable of changing, like we think of history is done, 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.720 like we're done growing, and like they've done a bunch 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:33.360 of studies where people consistently rate themselves as like finished 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:36.280 or fixed, um, you know, like and and yet when 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.360 we look back on our lives, we can say, oh, no, 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:40.880 I wasn't done growing at all yet. And it's something 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.760 that I've been trying to keep in mind in relation 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:47.119 to this show. You know, this this project that we've 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:50.000 embarked upon together and now we're opening up to the 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.120 world to listen in on where we're looking back on, 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.200 you know, obviously a very pivotal time in our lives, 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.040 and we're able to say like, oh my god, we 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:01.560 were so young, we didn't know anything, but that actually 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.760 we still kind of are, like we still don't know anything, 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:09.200 and we still are not done. And I've been thinking 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:12.799 about like how it's kind of important for us and 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:15.000 probably for our listeners to be aware of that we're 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:18.040 still changing and growing, you know, like we're not coming 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.880 to a conclusion about Boy Meets World. We're not gonna 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:23.800 like decide like, oh well that's the way the show 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:25.800 was or that's what it actually meant to us. It's 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:27.600 going to keep changing, you know, and that we're going 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:31.320 to keep changing and growing, and like ten years from now, 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:33.920 we might listen back to Pod Meets World and be like, 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.119 what were we thinking we were so young in our 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:39.680 forties back then when we were talking about the show. 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.240 That would be That's that would actually be really interesting, 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.880 is do Pod Meets World to this time? It's personal, 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.840 and we'll do it twenty years from now, and we 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:51.280 watched the show again, and it's going to mean something 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.320 completely different than next time we watched it. Abs No, 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:56.799 but it's so true, right, Like we tend to think 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:59.440 of ourselves as done, and like we have to kind 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.799 of give ourselves permission to to not know. And like 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:06.200 when we when we have these strong opinions about various 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.720 episodes or scenes or moments, to say like, well, we're 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.400 just kind of figuring them out now or coming up 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:15.840 with ideas about them now, and they're probably going to change. 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:19.400 That's changing, you know. Anyway. It's something I've been trying 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.760 to like keep in mind, um, because yeah, it's not 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:24.960 going to be fixed, you know. Yeah, I mean this 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.880 is an ongoing project. In thirty years, when we do 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.000 this again, we're gonna be like, Man, I relate to 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:38.760 Rue McClanahan so much as you know, Mr Feeney really 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.080 was the only character who knew what he was doing. No, 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:44.360 but it's true, and it's it's it's also the second 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:48.120 you stop growing as a person, you're done. You're supposed 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.800 to be. That's our point. That's the point of being here. 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:52.760 Is you grow every day and you learn every day, 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:56.000 and you know you you hope that's what you're doing. Anyway, 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.400 I would imagine that you know how well we talk 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:02.520 about how the perfect example is none of us realizing 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:08.440 how wonderful or important Rusty and Betsy were that And 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.880 that's all we're looking at. It is how amazing they are. 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:13.760 And so there, there's it's just it's where you are 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:15.880 in that journey of life where you're gonna kind of 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:20.599 as traveling down the road called life, as a great 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:26.520 great poet wrote. A great poet once said that, um 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.240 I I found something. Speaking of our histories, I found 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:31.520 a couple of things. So I've been occasionally I will 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.080 go on cleaning product projects, which I was gonna say, 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:38.080 go on cleaning products, which a whole different thing. Again, 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:43.719 Well again, sorry, i'll tell you free based wind. Um No, 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:47.119 I've been, so I'll go. I'll find something that hasn't 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:49.520 been cleaned in forever. And so I'm in this little 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.000 podcast room and right above me are these two shelves, 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:54.000 and Sue's like, came in the other day. She's like, well, 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:55.960 at least your shelves are empty. And I went and 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:59.640 I opened it up and it was horrifying. So I'm 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:01.680 the we had off. I said, I'm going to clean 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:03.200 it out. I just started cleaning it out and I 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:05.080 sent you guys a picture. I found it a huge 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.960 stack of Boy Meets World scripts that I think we 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.880 find a way to give out to everybody our pod 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.680 Meets World fans. But I came across two things which 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:17.640 were pretty great. First is from our very last episode. 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:22.760 It's the last script that we did, the Matt Nelson script, 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:26.719 signed by everybody, which is pretty incredible. But the other 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.120 thing I found, which which our audience will understand what 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:31.320 I'm talking about, but you guys will really understand what 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:34.080 I'm talking about. When I first moved out to Los Angeles, 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:37.520 I was by myself. I didn't know anybody here, and 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:44.160 to make me feel more comfortable alone, Arlene wrote out 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:50.200 her name and address and phone number so I could 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.400 always get in touch with her if I needed to, 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:56.039 And it was in a pile of stuff that I 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:59.360 have in a posted note in her handwriting, and it 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.560 just hit me. It was so strange and it came 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:06.080 out of nowhere, and to think it was the first 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.440 time I I kind of realized that she's been gone 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:13.360 for like twenty seven years. Yeah, yeah, you're right. And 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:17.440 just she was such a wonderful person and this was 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.600 her I mean, just I didn't know anybody, and so 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:23.760 one of the first things she did was I kept 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.600 it and I still have it, and so I don't know, 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.320 it's just I kept it right here, So I just 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:30.960 I thought I would share that with you. We're also 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:35.480 going to give that away to our fans. And exactly 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.880 was the Arlene Grayson phone number, but here. Yeah, it 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.800 just it was so strange to find an amazing woman, 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:44.960 you know, like I mean to the fact that she 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.520 was sympathetic enough to like reach out to you and 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:49.800 be like, just in case you need anything, here right 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:53.200 am like going above and beyond as a producer, like yeah, 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:55.520 I'm just gonna I'm also here for you as a person, 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:59.760 as a parental sort of figure. It was she was 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.400 just she was amazing she was truly amazing. So yeah, 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.280 I just I came across that and I thought you'd 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:05.760 want to see that. It was pretty pretty neat to 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.040 be glad you kept all these scripts too. I mean 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:11.200 I never kept any of them. I wish I had. 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:13.720 These are just the ones I found up here. I've 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.720 got a crate of them up in the other room. 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.880 I don't see anything. And the only reason so I 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.560 also found a Batman Beyond script from Return of the 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:25.760 Joker signed body everybody that I just went and had 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.440 framed today. And the reason I didn't have this one 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:32.080 framed is because I realized Trina wasn't there and I 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:34.320 want her to sign it. Rusty didn't sign it, and 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.480 Bill didn't sign it. So I'm going to make sure 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.760 this year I get everybody else's signature on it, and 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:41.720 then I will throw up behind. Is that the one 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:45.400 that's Matthew Nelson's script? This is this was the shooting 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.800 draft of a Brave New World. I made sure and 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.480 I checked. It's in perfect condition. It's got every page there, 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:53.680 it's got the breakdowns, it's got everything. So once I 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.520 get everybody else to sign it, I'm gonna I'm gonna 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.240 frame it and if you notice, that was probably the 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.239 last time I signed by a with a little face 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:04.840 that I used to drive and the X do you 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:08.160 want to get into the X? But the best part 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:11.960 about the face is that I was drawing I was doing. 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:13.560 I would always sign my name and then I put 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.880 that little face next to it. And I remember we 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:20.360 were signing autographs for one of the last episodes, probably 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:25.800 maybe that script, and um uh Amy Snow our phone 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:27.480 page at the time, who was still a really good 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.680 friend of mine. Um and I went on to work 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.600 with her. She directed a film that I produced, and 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:33.960 she's a great friend and a great writer. But at 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.280 the time she was she was our phone page and 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.439 she would be the person and responsible for having to 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.160 sign all the scripts that they would give away to 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.720 the audience. And on one of the times I was 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.520 signed doing a little face and she just very innocently 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:48.400 asked me. She's like, so how long are you going 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:53.079 to keep doing that little thing? And I was just like, 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.600 you're right, it's pretty childish. I'm twenty years old now. 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:58.199 I don't think I need to be doing a card 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.000 And so I decided to retire are put in a 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.880 little face, So no longer, so that was probably the 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:09.640 last time I signed it. That's hilarious. Well, that's really cute. 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:11.760 Thank you for sharing all of that with us, will 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:15.480 and um, yeah, well, welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:20.920 Daniel Fishel, I'm Rider Strong, and I'm Wilfred. So this 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:24.840 week we are very honored to welcome a fan favorite 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.319 of Boy Meets World, someone who has been requested to 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:30.480 come on the podcast hundreds of times by fans. Um. 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.600 I keep seeing and be tagged on Instagram, and I'm 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:36.400 sure he's like, yes, yes, I'm coming on, leave me alone. Um. 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.360 He is someone we all have wonderful memories of as 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:43.280 Frankie Stucchino, a bully with a what with a heart 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.600 of gold who appeared in nineteen episodes of Boy Meets World, 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:50.120 starting with the season to Reset Back to School. He's 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:53.400 also beloved for his roles in American History X, alongside 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:57.960 William Rusty Roy, the Wolf of Wall Street, Remember the Titans, 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:01.439 and most memorably as Randy My Name Is Earl and 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.840 William the Magic I Obsessed, Mall Rat and Kevin Smith's 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:09.640 View Askew Universe. And he was most recently seen in 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:12.840 the award winning movie Babylon with Brad Pitt. No big deal, 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.760 he's just yeah, he's just nothing, nothing going on in 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.600 his life. Child actors that aren't working anymore. Yeah, exactly, 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.880 such a shame. It is time to welcome our favorite 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:40.280 tough guy Ethan. Hey, guys, Yeah, how's it going. Oh 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.440 my gosh, it's so good to see you. Also, you're 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:47.120 lighting and where you are it's so pretty awesome. It's cool, 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:52.560 it's so moody. Yeah, this is like if you could 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:59.880 just see the jumbles are. We're not probably allowed to swear. 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.720 You can say anything you want, really, Okay, you guys 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:05.760 will patch that up for me because I do have 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:10.000 a mouth like a pirate. Okay, maybe will make your swear. 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:14.080 We should make them louder. They should just make them louder. 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.760 I think we should bracket it. I love Yes, Have 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:18.800 you always had a mouth like a pirate? I don't 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:24.200 remember you cursing on boy Meat's World, No, I think 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:27.000 I think I have. You know my like, my grandmother 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.440 used to tell me that um cursing was a sign 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.160 of low i Q. And at some point I read 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.600 like Bukowski and I was like, he's got a pretty good, 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:40.040 I Q and he swears a lot, swears a lot 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.880 like what I can say whatever I want. I love 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:46.200 that you've already mentioned Bukowski because one of my key 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.240 memories from our time, my boy Meate's world was you 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:53.520 giving me a copy of Burning and Water Drowning in Flame, 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.400 a Bookowski collection, because you knew I was into poetry, 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.640 but at the time I was into like English romantic poets, 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.560 and and you were the first person to be like, 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.679 you need you need to get into the twentieth century 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:09.920 and you gave me and it changed my life. I 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:13.120 became like a Kowski fanadict, which then led to Jon 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:17.840 Fonte later in the Best And you were like, you 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:21.200 need to be reading this writer. And you totally totally 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.520 got to me, and you greatly influenced my reading life, 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:26.960 like with one gift. And I think you just did it, 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:29.240 Like I don't think it was for any occasion. You 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:31.400 just came and brought me a Pokowski, but you're like, 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.040 you need to read this, and you were so right. 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:36.600 So like this kid is smart, he's reading a lot. 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:41.080 What if I corrupt him a little bit? It was 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:46.800 so great, just so even it's come up a couple 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:49.240 of times on the podcast, But was Boy Meets World 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:54.920 your first ever job? First ever job, by the way, 0:12:55.640 --> 0:13:02.319 it was it was my second audition. I got an 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.000 agent and he was like, Okay, I'm gonna start sending 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.920 you out. And I had an audition for Melrose Place 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:13.160 in the morning in Santa Monica. I drove, I did 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:16.720 that audition, got to call they want you for this job. 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:21.320 As I'm driving to see Sally Steiner in Burbank. Go 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.040 to see Sally Steiner. Get the call right before I go, 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.720 and you're not sad they're not hiring you. You didn't 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:30.520 get kind of bummed, but like, I got another shot 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.200 at this right now. Went in to see Sally Steiner. 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:37.360 She said come back this afternoon for these other people. 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.360 And I was like, what does that mean? Maybe I 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.280 blew this too. And then I went back from Michael 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:50.040 Jacob's first job, first auditioning, believing Sane's that's how the 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:55.640 business works. Just do your first Yeah. Easy. But it's 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:57.800 so crazy to me is that I thought of you 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:01.320 was such a grown up with such a wealth of information, 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:04.160 and you were like such a pro actor and like 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:07.280 so for me to realize now that you were your 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:11.200 first job, ever, is just mind boggling. It seems so confident, 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:18.160 not obvious. Dude, I didn't know what takes of my 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.760 first scene where I shoved Ben into a locker or 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:26.400 something like, Yes, I thought I was I thought I 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.160 was getting fired. I was like, nobody can't do this 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.520 this many times? This is psychotic. Why am I not 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:33.960 doing this right? I don't remember that. Do you guys 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.920 remember doing that that many times? No? But it's actually 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.600 makes perfect sense that a new person on the cast 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.640 would instantly be shown that they were a new person 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.640 on the cast. Does that make sense? I was very 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.440 clearly a new person, and it was like, let's let's 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.440 show you that we're in charge. Yeah. I think what 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.040 will saying is that somebody was not going to let 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:57.600 you come in and feel too confident about yourself, even 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.680 if you deserve to have confidence. Yeah, they achieved that 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:06.680 in spades. No, I felt very welcome. Other other than that, 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:11.040 we did that thing many many times, and I just 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.280 didn't know any better and was like at first, like, well, 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:14.960 this is just what you do. You do a lot, 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:16.720 but not in front of an audience. By the time 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:18.920 we were done, the audience was just like, can you guys, 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:23.040 ye do anything else? Scene? Yeah, you know, you know 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:24.960 when you're starting to lose the audience when they start 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.720 you hear the fake laughter and they're they're forcing all 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:29.440 that stuff, and you're kind of sitting there going like, Okay, 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.160 we gotta we gotta move on. We're losing them. But 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.160 we also just recently watched that episode that it's just 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.640 the first episode of the second season, and it is 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:40.120 a huge episode. There's so much going on. It's like 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:42.960 a whole new show and you guys are introduced, you 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:46.400 and Blake and um Danny and like it's like a 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:49.840 whole like a whole set of a subset of characters 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.160 that like get a lot of screen time, and it 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.320 just and we were watching it going backstage. Must have 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:58.080 been crazy. None of us could really remember it, but 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:00.400 it must have been such a hectic episode because we 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:04.560 had Tony Mr. Turner introduced you guys high school. He 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.320 is so much going on. It's jarring and it must 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.080 have felt like crazy making to all of us at 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.000 the time. But I don't really remember it, do you do? 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:16.160 You remember meeting Danny and Blake on set like the 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.520 first day and feeling like, oh, these are the guys 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:22.040 that I'm gonna be like in a crew with. I 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:25.080 remember Blake and feeling very much like I'm in Me 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:29.200 and Blake are contemporaries. And then I remember Danny being 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:34.040 like he's older, he's cooler. We don't talk to him 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.200 too much. He you know what I mean, Like he's 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:40.840 a little more mysterious. He had that Harley Kinder thing. 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.000 I don't know if it was like method or what 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.760 it was, but he was like less approachable. Blake and 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:50.560 I from you know, the moment it was like, you're Joey, 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:55.200 You're Frankie. Okay, we're buds rat right, that's sing. He 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.000 said the same thing. Blake said the same thing, where 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:58.960 it was just kind of an instant connection between the 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:03.360 two of you. Yeah, it was great. And I had 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:07.240 seen the show prior to that, and I just remember 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:10.680 coming in and going, this does not look anything like 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:14.520 what I watched last year. It just was totally it 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:21.000 seemed totally different. Yeah, yeah, it was. We felt the 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:25.560 same way. Yeah, we're now slowly getting more comfortable with 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.800 season two, but it was a completely different television show 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.320 and we're trying we're kind of now figuring out why 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:32.919 there was a whole bunch of changes when it came 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:34.600 to the writing staff, and a bunch of changes when 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:37.960 it came to the cast and the producers, and there 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.239 was it seems to be maybe a mandate somewhere that 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:42.800 the show was to be aged up. So all of 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:46.840 a sudden, this kind of innocent family sitcom has become 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.600 much more high school, much more sexual. Uh, it was 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.320 just we were calling it drop shock. Well I am 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:57.480 they haven't caught on yet, but um to to just yeah, 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.240 getting season two and hey, we're going to start the 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:00.879 show over a little it, which is what it seemed 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.920 like we were doing. Even what made you get into 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.480 acting to begin with? So you have your your first 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:08.800 day of auditions Melrose Place in Boy Meant's World and 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.240 you technically booked them both. What what was the motivation 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:14.800 and inspiration behind you getting into it at that at 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:20.320 that age of your life. So, I, as an overweight kid, 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:26.280 was unbelievably uncomfortable with myself, and I I went to 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:30.919 school oddly with a couple of actors, uh, Solei moon Fry. 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.280 I went to school with her and Giovanni Rabc and 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:37.080 I went to actually the set of the Wonder Years 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:40.800 with Vanni once and and I was just like, this 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:44.120 is incredible, Like it seemed incredible that that you could 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.719 go and play make Believe and get paid for it 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:50.160 and not go to school. Although there was like classroom, 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:54.000 but it wasn't anything like real school. Um, there was that. 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.840 But the thing I noticed mostly that was appealing to 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:02.520 me with these guys was that well didn't actually see them. 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:08.400 People saw characters. People saw the guy from with Annie. 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.040 I don't know if that was after my two dads 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.480 or or before whatever. If it was just that he 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:18.040 was kind of known for the Wonder Years at that point, 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.720 but he was kind of a known actor, and they 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.680 saw that they saw whoever they saw from TV. So 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:28.200 they was just Punky Burst at the time, and and 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:32.240 nobody knew anything about them other than that. And it 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:38.040 seemed like this wonderful defense against people actually looking at 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:40.480 you and seeing you and observing you. And it was 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:42.800 appealing to me in that way that you could kind 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:46.560 of hide. The other thing that was kind of fascinating 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.240 and nice for me was I was kind of, um 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:55.640 always plagued with this feeling of discomfort with myself and feeling, 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:58.879 uh that I was bad and wrong because of my 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.919 weight and the characters I played were all meant to 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.840 be overweight. So for those moments, it suddenly became okay 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.840 to be overweight and and and it wasn't there was 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:13.400 no wrongness in that, in that in embodying that character. 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:15.760 So there were a few things like that that we're 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.919 appealing and then it was just like I don't have 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:21.639 to go to school and I can make money and 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.960 it's like the coolest job ever. And it was kind 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:28.960 of like a mix of all of that. That's amazing 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:31.480 to me that the idea that the best way to 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:35.920 hide is to have more people watching you kind of incredible. 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:38.359 I mean, yeah, it's it's amazing though, but but it's true. 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.520 You do you get to especially for somebody like you, 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:42.440 and we're going to get into some of your other roles. 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.879 I think because I instantly go to American History X, where, 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:48.080 you know, while we didn't know each other very well 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:49.920 when we were doing more means where we still knew 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:52.120 each other. And I remember the first time I saw 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:55.160 American History X, I just saw a completely different person 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:58.440 on the screen, and I was so captivated by it 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:01.240 and by you that it was one of those things 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:02.920 where it was one of those moments in my life 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:05.000 where I was like, I don't I don't think I 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:07.040 know any of these people the way I thought I did, 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:10.480 because they're becoming who they are to then become the 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:13.760 characters they want to embody. So to see that, I 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:16.120 remember walking out going like, I'm not sure I knew 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:20.120 Ethan at all because to do that, to find that 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:22.159 in him, it was just that was amazing and rusty 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:24.240 too for for that matter, for you know, the one 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:26.480 or two scenes he was in. You're just seeing such 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:28.040 a different side of these people that you thought you 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:31.840 quote unquote new uh. To then see that was was 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:35.040 pretty incredible. So yeah, it was to me making fun 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:38.000 of myself. Was was if I could do that quickly, 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:40.680 then nobody else would make fun of you, because it's like, yeah, 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.879 the guy making fun of yourself, it's it's smoking mirrors, 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:46.320 it's how do we distract them from this thing? And 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:49.879 I could rationalize it in a way. And this this 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:51.959 kind of came later, but it was part of what 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:55.200 was appealing to me was are they looking at me 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:59.040 because I'm disfigured in the way that I perceived that 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:01.680 I'm disfigured, or are they looking at me because they've 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:05.600 seen me in something. The minute I could rationalize that 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:07.919