Speaker 1: M. So, I came across this term the other week, um,
Speaker 1: and I've been thinking about it a lot. Have you
Speaker 1: guys ever heard of the end of history illusion? No? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm intrigued. I hadn't heard this either. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's a good new it's relatively new. I guess it
Speaker 1: was coined in like two thousand two fourteen, and I
Speaker 1: came across into something I was reading, And I've been
Speaker 1: thinking about it a lot in relation to our show, um,
Speaker 1: which is it's this, it's it's it's the end of
Speaker 1: history illusion. And it's a cognitive bias that people have
Speaker 1: that we tend to think of ourselves in our current
Speaker 1: context or life as fixed as like we've we've we
Speaker 1: were done growing, Whereas when we look back on times
Speaker 1: in our lives, like we look back on our adolescents
Speaker 1: or early twenties, we're able to see ourselves as like
Speaker 1: a work in progress. You know that we give ourselves
Speaker 1: grace when we look back and say, oh, yeah, I
Speaker 1: wasn't fully grown yet, or I was changing constantly, But
Speaker 1: then we rate ourselves at the current moment as like
Speaker 1: incapable of changing, like we think of history is done,
Speaker 1: like we're done growing, and like they've done a bunch
Speaker 1: of studies where people consistently rate themselves as like finished
Speaker 1: or fixed, um, you know, like and and yet when
Speaker 1: we look back on our lives, we can say, oh, no,
Speaker 1: I wasn't done growing at all yet. And it's something
Speaker 1: that I've been trying to keep in mind in relation
Speaker 1: to this show. You know, this this project that we've
Speaker 1: embarked upon together and now we're opening up to the
Speaker 1: world to listen in on where we're looking back on,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously a very pivotal time in our lives,
Speaker 1: and we're able to say like, oh my god, we
Speaker 1: were so young, we didn't know anything, but that actually
Speaker 1: we still kind of are, like we still don't know anything,
Speaker 1: and we still are not done. And I've been thinking
Speaker 1: about like how it's kind of important for us and
Speaker 1: probably for our listeners to be aware of that we're
Speaker 1: still changing and growing, you know, like we're not coming
Speaker 1: to a conclusion about Boy Meets World. We're not gonna
Speaker 1: like decide like, oh well that's the way the show
Speaker 1: was or that's what it actually meant to us. It's
Speaker 1: going to keep changing, you know, and that we're going
Speaker 1: to keep changing and growing, and like ten years from now,
Speaker 1: we might listen back to Pod Meets World and be like,
Speaker 1: what were we thinking we were so young in our
Speaker 1: forties back then when we were talking about the show.
Speaker 1: That would be That's that would actually be really interesting,
Speaker 1: is do Pod Meets World to this time? It's personal,
Speaker 1: and we'll do it twenty years from now, and we
Speaker 1: watched the show again, and it's going to mean something
Speaker 1: completely different than next time we watched it. Abs No,
Speaker 1: but it's so true, right, Like we tend to think
Speaker 1: of ourselves as done, and like we have to kind
Speaker 1: of give ourselves permission to to not know. And like
Speaker 1: when we when we have these strong opinions about various
Speaker 1: episodes or scenes or moments, to say like, well, we're
Speaker 1: just kind of figuring them out now or coming up
Speaker 1: with ideas about them now, and they're probably going to change.
Speaker 1: That's changing, you know. Anyway. It's something I've been trying
Speaker 1: to like keep in mind, um, because yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: going to be fixed, you know. Yeah, I mean this
Speaker 1: is an ongoing project. In thirty years, when we do
Speaker 1: this again, we're gonna be like, Man, I relate to
Speaker 1: Rue McClanahan so much as you know, Mr Feeney really
Speaker 1: was the only character who knew what he was doing. No,
Speaker 1: but it's true, and it's it's it's also the second
Speaker 1: you stop growing as a person, you're done. You're supposed
Speaker 1: to be. That's our point. That's the point of being here.
Speaker 1: Is you grow every day and you learn every day,
Speaker 1: and you know you you hope that's what you're doing. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I would imagine that you know how well we talk
Speaker 1: about how the perfect example is none of us realizing
Speaker 1: how wonderful or important Rusty and Betsy were that And
Speaker 1: that's all we're looking at. It is how amazing they are.
Speaker 1: And so there, there's it's just it's where you are
Speaker 1: in that journey of life where you're gonna kind of
Speaker 1: as traveling down the road called life, as a great
Speaker 1: great poet wrote. A great poet once said that, um
Speaker 1: I I found something. Speaking of our histories, I found
Speaker 1: a couple of things. So I've been occasionally I will
Speaker 1: go on cleaning product projects, which I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: go on cleaning products, which a whole different thing. Again,
Speaker 1: Well again, sorry, i'll tell you free based wind. Um No,
Speaker 1: I've been, so I'll go. I'll find something that hasn't
Speaker 1: been cleaned in forever. And so I'm in this little
Speaker 1: podcast room and right above me are these two shelves,
Speaker 1: and Sue's like, came in the other day. She's like, well,
Speaker 1: at least your shelves are empty. And I went and
Speaker 1: I opened it up and it was horrifying. So I'm
Speaker 1: the we had off. I said, I'm going to clean
Speaker 1: it out. I just started cleaning it out and I
Speaker 1: sent you guys a picture. I found it a huge
Speaker 1: stack of Boy Meets World scripts that I think we
Speaker 1: find a way to give out to everybody our pod
Speaker 1: Meets World fans. But I came across two things which
Speaker 1: were pretty great. First is from our very last episode.
Speaker 1: It's the last script that we did, the Matt Nelson script,
Speaker 1: signed by everybody, which is pretty incredible. But the other
Speaker 1: thing I found, which which our audience will understand what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, but you guys will really understand what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. When I first moved out to Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: I was by myself. I didn't know anybody here, and
Speaker 1: to make me feel more comfortable alone, Arlene wrote out
Speaker 1: her name and address and phone number so I could
Speaker 1: always get in touch with her if I needed to,
Speaker 1: And it was in a pile of stuff that I
Speaker 1: have in a posted note in her handwriting, and it
Speaker 1: just hit me. It was so strange and it came
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, and to think it was the first
Speaker 1: time I I kind of realized that she's been gone
Speaker 1: for like twenty seven years. Yeah, yeah, you're right. And
Speaker 1: just she was such a wonderful person and this was
Speaker 1: her I mean, just I didn't know anybody, and so
Speaker 1: one of the first things she did was I kept
Speaker 1: it and I still have it, and so I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just I kept it right here, So I just
Speaker 1: I thought I would share that with you. We're also
Speaker 1: going to give that away to our fans. And exactly
Speaker 1: was the Arlene Grayson phone number, but here. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: just it was so strange to find an amazing woman,
Speaker 1: you know, like I mean to the fact that she
Speaker 1: was sympathetic enough to like reach out to you and
Speaker 1: be like, just in case you need anything, here right
Speaker 1: am like going above and beyond as a producer, like yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm also here for you as a person,
Speaker 1: as a parental sort of figure. It was she was
Speaker 1: just she was amazing she was truly amazing. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I came across that and I thought you'd
Speaker 1: want to see that. It was pretty pretty neat to
Speaker 1: be glad you kept all these scripts too. I mean
Speaker 1: I never kept any of them. I wish I had.
Speaker 1: These are just the ones I found up here. I've
Speaker 1: got a crate of them up in the other room.
Speaker 1: I don't see anything. And the only reason so I
Speaker 1: also found a Batman Beyond script from Return of the
Speaker 1: Joker signed body everybody that I just went and had
Speaker 1: framed today. And the reason I didn't have this one
Speaker 1: framed is because I realized Trina wasn't there and I
Speaker 1: want her to sign it. Rusty didn't sign it, and
Speaker 1: Bill didn't sign it. So I'm going to make sure
Speaker 1: this year I get everybody else's signature on it, and
Speaker 1: then I will throw up behind. Is that the one
Speaker 1: that's Matthew Nelson's script? This is this was the shooting
Speaker 1: draft of a Brave New World. I made sure and
Speaker 1: I checked. It's in perfect condition. It's got every page there,
Speaker 1: it's got the breakdowns, it's got everything. So once I
Speaker 1: get everybody else to sign it, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: frame it and if you notice, that was probably the
Speaker 1: last time I signed by a with a little face
Speaker 1: that I used to drive and the X do you
Speaker 1: want to get into the X? But the best part
Speaker 1: about the face is that I was drawing I was doing.
Speaker 1: I would always sign my name and then I put
Speaker 1: that little face next to it. And I remember we
Speaker 1: were signing autographs for one of the last episodes, probably
Speaker 1: maybe that script, and um uh Amy Snow our phone
Speaker 1: page at the time, who was still a really good
Speaker 1: friend of mine. Um and I went on to work
Speaker 1: with her. She directed a film that I produced, and
Speaker 1: she's a great friend and a great writer. But at
Speaker 1: the time she was she was our phone page and
Speaker 1: she would be the person and responsible for having to
Speaker 1: sign all the scripts that they would give away to
Speaker 1: the audience. And on one of the times I was
Speaker 1: signed doing a little face and she just very innocently
Speaker 1: asked me. She's like, so how long are you going
Speaker 1: to keep doing that little thing? And I was just like,
Speaker 1: you're right, it's pretty childish. I'm twenty years old now.
Speaker 1: I don't think I need to be doing a card
Speaker 1: And so I decided to retire are put in a
Speaker 1: little face, So no longer, so that was probably the
Speaker 1: last time I signed it. That's hilarious. Well, that's really cute.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing all of that with us, will
Speaker 1: and um, yeah, well, welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm
Speaker 1: Daniel Fishel, I'm Rider Strong, and I'm Wilfred. So this
Speaker 1: week we are very honored to welcome a fan favorite
Speaker 1: of Boy Meets World, someone who has been requested to
Speaker 1: come on the podcast hundreds of times by fans. Um.
Speaker 1: I keep seeing and be tagged on Instagram, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's like, yes, yes, I'm coming on, leave me alone. Um.
Speaker 1: He is someone we all have wonderful memories of as
Speaker 1: Frankie Stucchino, a bully with a what with a heart
Speaker 1: of gold who appeared in nineteen episodes of Boy Meets World,
Speaker 1: starting with the season to Reset Back to School. He's
Speaker 1: also beloved for his roles in American History X, alongside
Speaker 1: William Rusty Roy, the Wolf of Wall Street, Remember the Titans,
Speaker 1: and most memorably as Randy My Name Is Earl and
Speaker 1: William the Magic I Obsessed, Mall Rat and Kevin Smith's
Speaker 1: View Askew Universe. And he was most recently seen in
Speaker 1: the award winning movie Babylon with Brad Pitt. No big deal,
Speaker 1: he's just yeah, he's just nothing, nothing going on in
Speaker 1: his life. Child actors that aren't working anymore. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: such a shame. It is time to welcome our favorite
Speaker 1: tough guy Ethan. Hey, guys, Yeah, how's it going. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, it's so good to see you. Also, you're
Speaker 1: lighting and where you are it's so pretty awesome. It's cool,
Speaker 1: it's so moody. Yeah, this is like if you could
Speaker 1: just see the jumbles are. We're not probably allowed to swear.
Speaker 1: You can say anything you want, really, Okay, you guys
Speaker 1: will patch that up for me because I do have
Speaker 1: a mouth like a pirate. Okay, maybe will make your swear.
Speaker 1: We should make them louder. They should just make them louder.
Speaker 1: I think we should bracket it. I love Yes, Have
Speaker 1: you always had a mouth like a pirate? I don't
Speaker 1: remember you cursing on boy Meat's World, No, I think
Speaker 1: I think I have. You know my like, my grandmother
Speaker 1: used to tell me that um cursing was a sign
Speaker 1: of low i Q. And at some point I read
Speaker 1: like Bukowski and I was like, he's got a pretty good,
Speaker 1: I Q and he swears a lot, swears a lot
Speaker 1: like what I can say whatever I want. I love
Speaker 1: that you've already mentioned Bukowski because one of my key
Speaker 1: memories from our time, my boy Meate's world was you
Speaker 1: giving me a copy of Burning and Water Drowning in Flame,
Speaker 1: a Bookowski collection, because you knew I was into poetry,
Speaker 1: but at the time I was into like English romantic poets,
Speaker 1: and and you were the first person to be like,
Speaker 1: you need you need to get into the twentieth century
Speaker 1: and you gave me and it changed my life. I
Speaker 1: became like a Kowski fanadict, which then led to Jon
Speaker 1: Fonte later in the Best And you were like, you
Speaker 1: need to be reading this writer. And you totally totally
Speaker 1: got to me, and you greatly influenced my reading life,
Speaker 1: like with one gift. And I think you just did it,
Speaker 1: Like I don't think it was for any occasion. You
Speaker 1: just came and brought me a Pokowski, but you're like,
Speaker 1: you need to read this, and you were so right.
Speaker 1: So like this kid is smart, he's reading a lot.
Speaker 1: What if I corrupt him a little bit? It was
Speaker 1: so great, just so even it's come up a couple
Speaker 1: of times on the podcast, But was Boy Meets World
Speaker 1: your first ever job? First ever job, by the way,
Speaker 1: it was it was my second audition. I got an
Speaker 1: agent and he was like, Okay, I'm gonna start sending
Speaker 1: you out. And I had an audition for Melrose Place
Speaker 1: in the morning in Santa Monica. I drove, I did
Speaker 1: that audition, got to call they want you for this job.
Speaker 1: As I'm driving to see Sally Steiner in Burbank. Go
Speaker 1: to see Sally Steiner. Get the call right before I go,
Speaker 1: and you're not sad they're not hiring you. You didn't
Speaker 1: get kind of bummed, but like, I got another shot
Speaker 1: at this right now. Went in to see Sally Steiner.
Speaker 1: She said come back this afternoon for these other people.
Speaker 1: And I was like, what does that mean? Maybe I
Speaker 1: blew this too. And then I went back from Michael
Speaker 1: Jacob's first job, first auditioning, believing Sane's that's how the
Speaker 1: business works. Just do your first Yeah. Easy. But it's
Speaker 1: so crazy to me is that I thought of you
Speaker 1: was such a grown up with such a wealth of information,
Speaker 1: and you were like such a pro actor and like
Speaker 1: so for me to realize now that you were your
Speaker 1: first job, ever, is just mind boggling. It seems so confident,
Speaker 1: not obvious. Dude, I didn't know what takes of my
Speaker 1: first scene where I shoved Ben into a locker or
Speaker 1: something like, Yes, I thought I was I thought I
Speaker 1: was getting fired. I was like, nobody can't do this
Speaker 1: this many times? This is psychotic. Why am I not
Speaker 1: doing this right? I don't remember that. Do you guys
Speaker 1: remember doing that that many times? No? But it's actually
Speaker 1: makes perfect sense that a new person on the cast
Speaker 1: would instantly be shown that they were a new person
Speaker 1: on the cast. Does that make sense? I was very
Speaker 1: clearly a new person, and it was like, let's let's
Speaker 1: show you that we're in charge. Yeah. I think what
Speaker 1: will saying is that somebody was not going to let
Speaker 1: you come in and feel too confident about yourself, even
Speaker 1: if you deserve to have confidence. Yeah, they achieved that
Speaker 1: in spades. No, I felt very welcome. Other other than that,
Speaker 1: we did that thing many many times, and I just
Speaker 1: didn't know any better and was like at first, like, well,
Speaker 1: this is just what you do. You do a lot,
Speaker 1: but not in front of an audience. By the time
Speaker 1: we were done, the audience was just like, can you guys,
Speaker 1: ye do anything else? Scene? Yeah, you know, you know
Speaker 1: when you're starting to lose the audience when they start
Speaker 1: you hear the fake laughter and they're they're forcing all
Speaker 1: that stuff, and you're kind of sitting there going like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta move on. We're losing them. But
Speaker 1: we also just recently watched that episode that it's just
Speaker 1: the first episode of the second season, and it is
Speaker 1: a huge episode. There's so much going on. It's like
Speaker 1: a whole new show and you guys are introduced, you
Speaker 1: and Blake and um Danny and like it's like a
Speaker 1: whole like a whole set of a subset of characters
Speaker 1: that like get a lot of screen time, and it
Speaker 1: just and we were watching it going backstage. Must have
Speaker 1: been crazy. None of us could really remember it, but
Speaker 1: it must have been such a hectic episode because we
Speaker 1: had Tony Mr. Turner introduced you guys high school. He
Speaker 1: is so much going on. It's jarring and it must
Speaker 1: have felt like crazy making to all of us at
Speaker 1: the time. But I don't really remember it, do you do?
Speaker 1: You remember meeting Danny and Blake on set like the
Speaker 1: first day and feeling like, oh, these are the guys
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna be like in a crew with. I
Speaker 1: remember Blake and feeling very much like I'm in Me
Speaker 1: and Blake are contemporaries. And then I remember Danny being
Speaker 1: like he's older, he's cooler. We don't talk to him
Speaker 1: too much. He you know what I mean, Like he's
Speaker 1: a little more mysterious. He had that Harley Kinder thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was like method or what
Speaker 1: it was, but he was like less approachable. Blake and
Speaker 1: I from you know, the moment it was like, you're Joey,
Speaker 1: You're Frankie. Okay, we're buds rat right, that's sing. He
Speaker 1: said the same thing. Blake said the same thing, where
Speaker 1: it was just kind of an instant connection between the
Speaker 1: two of you. Yeah, it was great. And I had
Speaker 1: seen the show prior to that, and I just remember
Speaker 1: coming in and going, this does not look anything like
Speaker 1: what I watched last year. It just was totally it
Speaker 1: seemed totally different. Yeah, yeah, it was. We felt the
Speaker 1: same way. Yeah, we're now slowly getting more comfortable with
Speaker 1: season two, but it was a completely different television show
Speaker 1: and we're trying we're kind of now figuring out why
Speaker 1: there was a whole bunch of changes when it came
Speaker 1: to the writing staff, and a bunch of changes when
Speaker 1: it came to the cast and the producers, and there
Speaker 1: was it seems to be maybe a mandate somewhere that
Speaker 1: the show was to be aged up. So all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, this kind of innocent family sitcom has become
Speaker 1: much more high school, much more sexual. Uh, it was
Speaker 1: just we were calling it drop shock. Well I am
Speaker 1: they haven't caught on yet, but um to to just yeah,
Speaker 1: getting season two and hey, we're going to start the
Speaker 1: show over a little it, which is what it seemed
Speaker 1: like we were doing. Even what made you get into
Speaker 1: acting to begin with? So you have your your first
Speaker 1: day of auditions Melrose Place in Boy Meant's World and
Speaker 1: you technically booked them both. What what was the motivation
Speaker 1: and inspiration behind you getting into it at that at
Speaker 1: that age of your life. So, I, as an overweight kid,
Speaker 1: was unbelievably uncomfortable with myself, and I I went to
Speaker 1: school oddly with a couple of actors, uh, Solei moon Fry.
Speaker 1: I went to school with her and Giovanni Rabc and
Speaker 1: I went to actually the set of the Wonder Years
Speaker 1: with Vanni once and and I was just like, this
Speaker 1: is incredible, Like it seemed incredible that that you could
Speaker 1: go and play make Believe and get paid for it
Speaker 1: and not go to school. Although there was like classroom,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't anything like real school. Um, there was that.
Speaker 1: But the thing I noticed mostly that was appealing to
Speaker 1: me with these guys was that well didn't actually see them.
Speaker 1: People saw characters. People saw the guy from with Annie.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was after my two dads
Speaker 1: or or before whatever. If it was just that he
Speaker 1: was kind of known for the Wonder Years at that point,
Speaker 1: but he was kind of a known actor, and they
Speaker 1: saw that they saw whoever they saw from TV. So
Speaker 1: they was just Punky Burst at the time, and and
Speaker 1: nobody knew anything about them other than that. And it
Speaker 1: seemed like this wonderful defense against people actually looking at
Speaker 1: you and seeing you and observing you. And it was
Speaker 1: appealing to me in that way that you could kind
Speaker 1: of hide. The other thing that was kind of fascinating
Speaker 1: and nice for me was I was kind of, um
Speaker 1: always plagued with this feeling of discomfort with myself and feeling,
Speaker 1: uh that I was bad and wrong because of my
Speaker 1: weight and the characters I played were all meant to
Speaker 1: be overweight. So for those moments, it suddenly became okay
Speaker 1: to be overweight and and and it wasn't there was
Speaker 1: no wrongness in that, in that in embodying that character.
Speaker 1: So there were a few things like that that we're
Speaker 1: appealing and then it was just like I don't have
Speaker 1: to go to school and I can make money and
Speaker 1: it's like the coolest job ever. And it was kind
Speaker 1: of like a mix of all of that. That's amazing
Speaker 1: to me that the idea that the best way to
Speaker 1: hide is to have more people watching you kind of incredible.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's it's amazing though, but but it's true.
Speaker 1: You do you get to especially for somebody like you,
Speaker 1: and we're going to get into some of your other roles.
Speaker 1: I think because I instantly go to American History X, where,
Speaker 1: you know, while we didn't know each other very well
Speaker 1: when we were doing more means where we still knew
Speaker 1: each other. And I remember the first time I saw
Speaker 1: American History X, I just saw a completely different person
Speaker 1: on the screen, and I was so captivated by it
Speaker 1: and by you that it was one of those things
Speaker 1: where it was one of those moments in my life
Speaker 1: where I was like, I don't I don't think I
Speaker 1: know any of these people the way I thought I did,
Speaker 1: because they're becoming who they are to then become the
Speaker 1: characters they want to embody. So to see that, I
Speaker 1: remember walking out going like, I'm not sure I knew
Speaker 1: Ethan at all because to do that, to find that
Speaker 1: in him, it was just that was amazing and rusty
Speaker 1: too for for that matter, for you know, the one
Speaker 1: or two scenes he was in. You're just seeing such
Speaker 1: a different side of these people that you thought you
Speaker 1: quote unquote new uh. To then see that was was
Speaker 1: pretty incredible. So yeah, it was to me making fun
Speaker 1: of myself. Was was if I could do that quickly,
Speaker 1: then nobody else would make fun of you, because it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the guy making fun of yourself, it's it's smoking mirrors,
Speaker 1: it's how do we distract them from this thing? And
Speaker 1: I could rationalize it in a way. And this this
Speaker 1: kind of came later, but it was part of what
Speaker 1: was appealing to me was are they looking at me
Speaker 1: because I'm disfigured in the way that I perceived that
Speaker 1: I'm disfigured, or are they looking at me because they've
Speaker 1: seen me in something. The minute I could rationalize that
Speaker 1: they're staring at me because they saw me on a
Speaker 1: TV show, if there was such a relief associated with that,
Speaker 1: and that actually it wasn't that until Boy Meets World.
Speaker 1: I actually had the most one of the most profound
Speaker 1: experiences I've had as an actor. I I've always felt
Speaker 1: that I was an embarrassment to my father, and you know,
Speaker 1: I just you know, he was like this fit, active guy,
Speaker 1: and I was a kid that was not fit and active,
Speaker 1: and he was the one who very much always wanted
Speaker 1: me to diet. And and the first time I ever
Speaker 1: spent any Boy Meets World money, I took my father
Speaker 1: on vacation and we went to an island in the Caribbean,
Speaker 1: just me and him, and it was like this bonding thing.
Speaker 1: And we were at the pool one day, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm still very uncomfortable with myself wearing a shirt in
Speaker 1: the pool and there's these kids, and you know, you know,
Speaker 1: as a bigger guy, you avoid kids because there's no filter,
Speaker 1: and they'll just say and and and it's horrible, but like,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do yell at kids? You're not
Speaker 1: gonna yell at kids, and I remember, uh having this
Speaker 1: feeling of fear that these kids are gonna say something
Speaker 1: and make me feel like crap in front of my dad,
Speaker 1: who I've I've just like taken on this trip. And
Speaker 1: they pulled the rug out from under me. They they
Speaker 1: came up to me to talk about boy Mets World,
Speaker 1: and it was truly the first time I felt that
Speaker 1: my father was really proud of me, and it was
Speaker 1: like really profoundly meaningful. You know. It was like a
Speaker 1: massive deal because all the that I carried inside about
Speaker 1: myself evaporated in that moment. It was really awesome. Wow. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a big deal. The show was a big deal.
Speaker 1: It touched a lot of people. We're starting to realize that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we knew, but you know, but
Speaker 1: you don't know. I'm you don't really get what it
Speaker 1: meant to people until you hear a lot of the stories,
Speaker 1: and especially when we started doing conventions together and things
Speaker 1: like that, and you hear the stories of people coming
Speaker 1: up to us and how much the show affected them
Speaker 1: and different aspects of the show. I mean, you don't
Speaker 1: some people identify with Writer's character because of the way
Speaker 1: Sean grew up in a trailer park. They identify with
Speaker 1: Eric because he he didn't get into college and had
Speaker 1: to find another way to get in there. Or Danielle's
Speaker 1: character of being unkey and weird and smart and still
Speaker 1: having friends and boys. You know, yeah, you just it's
Speaker 1: it's you don't realize how much you're affecting people when
Speaker 1: you're doing what you're doing. Um So, yeah, hearing stories
Speaker 1: like that is insane amazing. Yeah, it was like life
Speaker 1: changing moment for me, and so thank you guys for
Speaker 1: being a part of it. It's so different from you know,
Speaker 1: my experience, like because I just hated fame so much,
Speaker 1: like I just never wanted to get recognized. I never
Speaker 1: wanted to be acknowledged. Um So, it's it's I'm so
Speaker 1: glad that it was like the exact opposite for you.
Speaker 1: You know that at a moment like that could be
Speaker 1: so empowering. I mean, yes, but look, there is certainly
Speaker 1: there's a line there, and I can't I can't imagine
Speaker 1: what you were going through could be fun at all,
Speaker 1: because that's a totally different thing. This is kids who
Speaker 1: you know, they're also recognizing I'm the bully though I'm
Speaker 1: kind hearted, I'm not a guy they're running up and
Speaker 1: squealing over. But it is there is some defense there.
Speaker 1: It is a deflection. It's like I now have kids
Speaker 1: who on any other at any other point in my life,
Speaker 1: would have been snickering at me, or would have been
Speaker 1: nice kids and and just ignored me, or maybe made friends.
Speaker 1: But there the the the look from across at a distance,
Speaker 1: the continued look back that always meant I'm going to
Speaker 1: get made fun of and and it stopped meaning, which
Speaker 1: was a big deal, massive, massive deal. Wow. I So
Speaker 1: we had Blake on recently and he talked about how
Speaker 1: important your friendship was to him, not just while he
Speaker 1: was on Boy Means World, but just generally in his life.
Speaker 1: What do you remember about your friendship with Blake and
Speaker 1: the way you guys were on set together, and do
Speaker 1: you remember any pranks like we We think about you
Speaker 1: guys as being like a little I don't know if
Speaker 1: Frank's is the right word, but yeah, we were up
Speaker 1: to stuff. We were certainly up to stuff. Um. Blake
Speaker 1: was so much fun and we were we were very
Speaker 1: very close friends. You know, I'm now a grandfather. So
Speaker 1: and this is also going back almost are you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's completely wild. But yeah, I have a nine month
Speaker 1: old grand four girls, granddaughter. Yeah, congratulations, that's incredible. So
Speaker 1: I don't have a huge amount of time for socializing,
Speaker 1: but I've you know, Blake. Blake and I continued to
Speaker 1: be friends until I basically was like, I'm not raising kids,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be social with people. And that
Speaker 1: chapter is over. You know, Well, it's funny because Blake
Speaker 1: now has a has a child, and so he understands
Speaker 1: it perfectly. I can guarantee you he is in the
Speaker 1: thick of it. So we also recently had on Adam Scott,
Speaker 1: and so what do you what do you remember about
Speaker 1: that kind of changeover from you know, we had had Danny,
Speaker 1: Danny was Harley, than Danny left, and then they brought
Speaker 1: somebody else on for one episode and that person was gone,
Speaker 1: and then Adam Scott comes in. Do you have any
Speaker 1: specific memories about your time with Adam or about that changeover.
Speaker 1: I loved Adam. Adam was wonderful. I remember feeling very
Speaker 1: empathetic for the position he was put in, you know,
Speaker 1: because Harley was a popular character and that and and
Speaker 1: then and then there was that other guy who was
Speaker 1: in and out. So it's like he came in knowing
Speaker 1: that that's a lot of compressure. And I just felt
Speaker 1: like he was such a nice, good guy that I
Speaker 1: was rooting for him, you know what I mean. He
Speaker 1: he was like a guy where I don't remember the
Speaker 1: last guy. I don't remember the intern between Unfortunately, like
Speaker 1: two days it was yeah, he Yeah, he came, came
Speaker 1: and was gone. I mean, they didn't even have time
Speaker 1: to change the name of the character. They just you're
Speaker 1: Harley now, thanks, you know. So, yeah, we didn't. I
Speaker 1: don't remember his name either. Well we'll find out when
Speaker 1: we get to the episode. Yeah, exactly. But Adam was
Speaker 1: a sweetheart and uh and I thought he was great.
Speaker 1: You know, he was a totally different than Harley, but
Speaker 1: he was He was awesome in a totally different way.
Speaker 1: Very cool and um maybe not quite as scared, but
Speaker 1: that's okay because we weren't meant to be the scariest guys. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I have I have a question for you. So, before
Speaker 1: he came on, um and and was just obviously one
Speaker 1: of the nicest guys ever, were you a wrestling fan
Speaker 1: had did you know who Vader was before they brought
Speaker 1: him on to play your dad, no idea. Never I
Speaker 1: saw Cogan, I like new whole Cogan. I knew Jake
Speaker 1: the Snake. I knew when when when he written out
Speaker 1: of match with Jake the Snake. I knew Jake the Snake.
Speaker 1: But but I had never heard of Vader before, which
Speaker 1: seem sacrilegious to me, you know, having known now he
Speaker 1: was a big deal, but I didn't at the time
Speaker 1: know him. Did you have a great time working with
Speaker 1: him as your dad? Like, what was your relationship? I
Speaker 1: mean you probably worked closer with him than than any
Speaker 1: of us. What was you know? He told me he
Speaker 1: I got like really hardcore stories about fighting in Asia.
Speaker 1: He would go and do we all remember, Yeah, where
Speaker 1: he like he lost an eye in a match and
Speaker 1: scooped his eye back in back in himself. That's right,
Speaker 1: put it back in himself when he won some sort
Speaker 1: of ultimate fighting international. Yeah, it's a crazy When he
Speaker 1: first told me that story, I was like, this guy's
Speaker 1: And then I asked some people and they were like, no, no,
Speaker 1: he's legit. Like that guy's as legit as they come.
Speaker 1: And then I was kind of like treated him with
Speaker 1: a lot more deference but when he first said told
Speaker 1: that story, I was like, you're just coming in hearing
Speaker 1: and to tell me you lost an eye and fight
Speaker 1: in Japan. Yeah, and shoved it back into your head.
Speaker 1: What kind of what do you take me for it? Um?
Speaker 1: The most nerve racking experience which you were there for, righting,
Speaker 1: was that WrestleMania. Yes, and so I almost got into
Speaker 1: a fight with multiple people. Nobody prepared us for. No, no,
Speaker 1: They just wanting to shut us out, no idea, and
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I think all the people there, we're
Speaker 1: just there as red, like they didn't know what was happening.
Speaker 1: We didn't know what's happening. And people hated him. People
Speaker 1: hated Vader so much, and they were saying really nasty stuff.
Speaker 1: But I remember somebody telling me in between stuff, they
Speaker 1: were like, you're Mike, stop fighting with people because you
Speaker 1: can hear what you're saying. Oh, I love it. You
Speaker 1: fought back. Ben and I were just terrified. I remember
Speaker 1: feeling like like running backstage and almost crying because everyone
Speaker 1: was just like, you know, screal boardman world, and we
Speaker 1: were just like but you, I know, you were on
Speaker 1: like you were in the ring the entire time. Ben
Speaker 1: and I were like running in and out, but you
Speaker 1: were there the whole I love that you fought back.
Speaker 1: I was I almost got into a physical fight with
Speaker 1: people in the audience, and one of the whoever was
Speaker 1: somebody there, somebody on our team, was like, stop, you're
Speaker 1: acting like, don't listen to them. You're gonna get in
Speaker 1: real trouble. And I was like, that guy's keep saying,
Speaker 1: your mom, I'm ready. You know that was That was
Speaker 1: one of the most nerve racket experiences of my life. Yeah, god, God,
Speaker 1: I'll think about that sometimes. Like you know, it's very difficult,
Speaker 1: even on gigantic movies to like lock up New York
Speaker 1: City streets, and so you'll be in the middle of
Speaker 1: shooting something and you'll just think, like, this is a
Speaker 1: hundred million dollar movie and you guys can't like pause.
Speaker 1: These people from the walking through the same like what
Speaker 1: are you? What are we doing there? And even then
Speaker 1: I'll have to remind myself just go back to the
Speaker 1: mid nineties and WrestleMania and this is like nothing can eat.
Speaker 1: So I have a question for you, because you're you're
Speaker 1: in a very unique position to answer this. Um you
Speaker 1: went on I mean not only to do all the
Speaker 1: films that you've done, but My Name Is Earl was
Speaker 1: it was a huge hit as well. Can you talk
Speaker 1: about is there one type of television you enjoyed doing
Speaker 1: more than you know? I mean, you went from four
Speaker 1: camera on Boy Meats World with an audience to single
Speaker 1: cam on My Name Is Earl, which is kind of
Speaker 1: like shooting a film every day. Is there one type
Speaker 1: of show you preferred doing over the other? Well, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean like there's uh, there's I guess I. I
Speaker 1: guess I would have to answer this as honestly as
Speaker 1: I possibly can and say, like I did Boy Meats World,
Speaker 1: which really spoiled me for my next working experience, which
Speaker 1: was like so night and day, nothing like the leisurely
Speaker 1: work schedule that we had, especially because you guys would
Speaker 1: have to go to school and I wouldn't. And suddenly
Speaker 1: it's like me and Blake are going to the movies
Speaker 1: at lunch in the middle of the day. You guys
Speaker 1: have a couple hours of school, and we're just like,
Speaker 1: please keep them in school. This is great, Um, but
Speaker 1: I like the aesthetic. I guess, I guess I would
Speaker 1: probably prefer watching a single camera show. But you just
Speaker 1: can't be. I then went on to do uh a
Speaker 1: bunch of episodes of a show called The Ranch and
Speaker 1: the Ranch, you know, towards the last season of that,
Speaker 1: I was on Boy Meats World. It even got looser
Speaker 1: than that. It got to be like table read and
Speaker 1: we're out. We just call it do the table. So
Speaker 1: it got to the point on The Ranch where they'd
Speaker 1: call me and go, we need you for four episodes
Speaker 1: this season. We need six hours pick a day and
Speaker 1: I'd go, I'd go like, how's this day and they'd go, great,
Speaker 1: we'll see you from this time to this time. And
Speaker 1: I would literally show up and they would block shoot
Speaker 1: my scenes and I would be done, And that was
Speaker 1: the whole season, like four episodes or it was insane. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't think you can beat multi camera for like
Speaker 1: your life, especially if you have kids or something like that.
Speaker 1: Was that also David Trainer? Yeah, David Trainer, who you
Speaker 1: would have met on your very first job ever, Boy
Speaker 1: Meets World? What what like? The greatest guy? It's amazing man. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's one of our first guests. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I
Speaker 1: mean we remember him so well because he was so
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we were all for the most part
Speaker 1: pretty green and the way he works with actors, and
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he's he's just one of the
Speaker 1: best ever. So yeah, that's so funny. Did you guys
Speaker 1: talk about Boy Meets World then when you did that
Speaker 1: really all the time? Yeah? Yeah, And I had um
Speaker 1: he did all the episodes of that seven ye and
Speaker 1: I went to there said a couple of times and
Speaker 1: was like, Holy trainer, you're here. This is amazing. So
Speaker 1: I had seen him again in between, but it was
Speaker 1: a pretty big It was a twenty year gap between
Speaker 1: when I had worked with him, and it was really fun. Man,
Speaker 1: he's he's he's the best. Do you have a specific
Speaker 1: favorite like behind the scenes memory of filming that isn't WrestleMania,
Speaker 1: or maybe it is WrestleMania, or like a favorite episode
Speaker 1: or scene that really stands out to you over the
Speaker 1: nineteen episodes of Boy Meets World you did, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's not WrestleMania. Like that's one of those things
Speaker 1: like you you get into a car accident and you
Speaker 1: survive it, and then you tell the story because it's
Speaker 1: like exciting, but you don't want to ever do that again,
Speaker 1: you know. I think, just like the first episode. Every
Speaker 1: every experience on that episode was new and fresh and
Speaker 1: interesting and exciting, and and it it never really got old,
Speaker 1: you know, it was always it was always kind of
Speaker 1: fun and exciting. But that first that first episode that
Speaker 1: was Disney. Um, working at Disney was exciting. Yeah, all
Speaker 1: of it. It was just so surreal. Yeah, Disney Studios.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's it's probably also because it
Speaker 1: was my first job too, but like, although that's not true,
Speaker 1: I had done Full House, but there's something about when
Speaker 1: you first work at Disney Studios and you're that just
Speaker 1: feels like, I don't know, the magic of Disney. People
Speaker 1: talk about the magic of Disney. You go onto the
Speaker 1: Disney lot and the squirrels come up to you. That's
Speaker 1: not a joke, they actually do. It is there is
Speaker 1: something about Disney that is just magical. Really, they're piping
Speaker 1: in happiness from somewhere. It's amazing. Man. So when Blake
Speaker 1: was here, he we asked him about if he had
Speaker 1: a specific memory about when or how he found out
Speaker 1: you guys weren't going to be coming back to the show,
Speaker 1: and he told us a story that you guys actually
Speaker 1: went in to pitch a script that you had written. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the story Blake told and I was I was
Speaker 1: actually before actually know what, let me not tell you
Speaker 1: what Blake said. Let's just do you have a memory
Speaker 1: of when or how you found out that like Frankie
Speaker 1: and Joey just weren't going to be coming back to
Speaker 1: the show ever. No, I don't. I don't remember. No,
Speaker 1: I really don't. Um. I mean no, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I don't remember it being official in that way. But
Speaker 1: it was always weak. I suppose it probably was. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: because even when you guys did the first episode, you
Speaker 1: had no idea that you were coming back, right, it
Speaker 1: was just the one off. No, it was towards the
Speaker 1: end of the week and they were like, hey, two
Speaker 1: weeks from now, are you busy? And I of course
Speaker 1: was not. So that was kind of my entire experience,
Speaker 1: was like hey this week, can you work? You know? Um?
Speaker 1: But I I have no memory really of it becoming
Speaker 1: an official, but I would love to hear what Blake's. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Blake said that you guys wrote a script that
Speaker 1: was based around like Catcher in the Rye, Like there
Speaker 1: was a Holden Caufield character, and you were really excited
Speaker 1: about it. You had worked really hard on it. You
Speaker 1: felt like you had all the angles worked out, and
Speaker 1: you went in to pitch it to Michael Jacobs, and
Speaker 1: in that meeting, Michael listened. He took it all in
Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, you know, it's really good. Um,
Speaker 1: we're not going to buy it, but I'm you know,
Speaker 1: glad you guys are here because we have good news.
Speaker 1: We're actually going to offer you contracts. Like whether that
Speaker 1: meant more recurring or thirteen out of twenty two or one,
Speaker 1: like I don't you don't don't know if you really specified,
Speaker 1: but it was definitely like, you guys are going to
Speaker 1: be an official part of the cast. Now, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be coming background regularly. And then you guys never heard
Speaker 1: from him again and just never came back to the show.
Speaker 1: He said, you left the room. You were high fiving, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is awesome, He's like, and then nothing. I feel
Speaker 1: like I do remember going to see him, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I mean, listen in in fairness towards
Speaker 1: the end, I had a bit of a drug problem,
Speaker 1: and you know, like we like we can be as
Speaker 1: real and open podcast as we want. We're adults now,
Speaker 1: I've gotten my act together. I've been sober now for
Speaker 1: multiple decades, and so that's good. But towards the end,
Speaker 1: and you know, I never I just never thought about
Speaker 1: it because I wasn't really paying attention. I'm sure that happened.
Speaker 1: I do have some vague recollection of us in Michael
Speaker 1: Jacob's office, and it's it's a memory where I'm like,
Speaker 1: why the were we in Michael jakes off, you know,
Speaker 1: But but I do recall us being there, and I
Speaker 1: I could have gotten excited over anything at that point.
Speaker 1: You know, I was excitable in that state, but U
Speaker 1: and I was. But you were also already working a
Speaker 1: lot world, you know. I imagine that it probably didn't
Speaker 1: mean as much to you because I mean, even between
Speaker 1: what season two and three you did Mall Rats right
Speaker 1: like that must have been a writer, because I remember
Speaker 1: you coming back and telling us about it and being like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can't wait for this because I was a huge
Speaker 1: Clerks fan and I love that whole you know, so
Speaker 1: it was like such a big deal that you were
Speaker 1: already doing. And then American History X like that all
Speaker 1: happened during Boy Meets World, So yeah, you were already
Speaker 1: like rolling right into other projects. Yeah, I think. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I liked the I think, you know, when I
Speaker 1: didn't understand anything at first, and so at first it
Speaker 1: was like I'm on this show. And when I was
Speaker 1: doing multiple episodes, I was like, oh, I'm I'm on
Speaker 1: this show, like I'm actually on this show. And then
Speaker 1: I I learned like, oh no, there's different contracts and that,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't understand TV and movies and anything
Speaker 1: like that. And I think by the time I stopped
Speaker 1: doing the show, I was just doing other stuff and
Speaker 1: it wasn't there. I have no memory of any point
Speaker 1: going like that's a bummer that I'm not doing that right,
Speaker 1: you know, right, you just got you just were stopped
Speaker 1: being asked, but you were being asked to do a
Speaker 1: bunch of other things exactly right. And then you know
Speaker 1: your I will guarantee you your question is better than mine.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that now, and then we'll be
Speaker 1: the judge. Well, I was going to talk about his
Speaker 1: journey into this new healthy, incredible life questions too. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean, I I follow you on Instagram. I see
Speaker 1: your your food journey and your fitness journey. Talk to
Speaker 1: us about that and what you are up to And
Speaker 1: I just started working out again, and my whole body hurts. Thanks,
Speaker 1: my whole body hurts. Um. I I was kind of
Speaker 1: newly sober in two thousand, two thousand one, two thousand one,
Speaker 1: newly sober, and uh, I'd had a few rough patches
Speaker 1: of getting sober, and and now I kind of had
Speaker 1: my footing there. And you know, I woke up one
Speaker 1: day and I was like, Oh, I have this whole
Speaker 1: other thing that I haven't been thinking about that I
Speaker 1: should really start addressing. And I had this girlfriend who
Speaker 1: I cared very much about, and I had this weird
Speaker 1: experience where I kind of realized that if I didn't
Speaker 1: do something about this, my relationship couldn't go anywhere with
Speaker 1: her because there was tons of stuff that I couldn't
Speaker 1: participate with her. And she liked going to going on
Speaker 1: hikes and spending time at the beach and going to museums.
Speaker 1: None of that was interesting to me at my size
Speaker 1: and uh, and so I had to ask her for help.
Speaker 1: And asking her for help, it was almost as though
Speaker 1: I was letting her in on a secret, because she
Speaker 1: didn't ever treat me as though it was an issue
Speaker 1: and it was a very weird situation to find myself in.
Speaker 1: And then when I asked her for help, she kind
Speaker 1: of was like, yeah, that's no problem, we can totally
Speaker 1: do that. Um. There were many years after that of
Speaker 1: trying to uh figure out what food was doing to
Speaker 1: me rather than what I was doing to myself with food,
Speaker 1: and so I didn't really get my I didn't really
Speaker 1: come to a proper equilibrium with that until many years later.
Speaker 1: And um, there was a one point with her where
Speaker 1: I had gotten really thin and doing lots of cardio
Speaker 1: and starving myself and that just was not sustainable at all.
Speaker 1: And I finally threw up my hands and said to
Speaker 1: my wife, I'm getting fat at him, like this is
Speaker 1: not fun, living like this is not fun. And she
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, that's fine. And then I was doing
Speaker 1: a show in San Francisco and I tore my bicept
Speaker 1: and I gained a bunch of weight, but I didn't care.
Speaker 1: I was eating whatever I wanted. And I had to
Speaker 1: have surgery on my arm, and normally it was like
Speaker 1: a very simple outpatient surgery, and because of my weight,
Speaker 1: they said no, no, you're too heavy for outpatient. You
Speaker 1: have to go do this in a hospital and my
Speaker 1: wife said, listen, I've never really cared. I love you.
Speaker 1: You know I love you. This is not an issue
Speaker 1: that I have with you aesthetically at all, but because
Speaker 1: there's this weird health concern, you have to get your
Speaker 1: weight below whatever that number is. I don't care what
Speaker 1: the number is, but get your weight below that. And
Speaker 1: then I just was like, Okay, now I have another
Speaker 1: reason to do this. Plus I have a bunch of
Speaker 1: kids and I want to be around for them as
Speaker 1: long as possible. But that's been that's been the real
Speaker 1: impetus behind trying to get and maintain a level of leanness. Um.
Speaker 1: So when I was on social media, which I have
Speaker 1: not been for years and years and years, and there's
Speaker 1: very few things I miss about social media, but following
Speaker 1: you is I do miss because you gave me a
Speaker 1: philosophy when I start working out. I've always struggle with
Speaker 1: my weight. I will fluctuate sixty pounds sometimes. Um, you
Speaker 1: had a concept that just spoke so much to me,
Speaker 1: and I would hit you up on Instagram about it. Uh,
Speaker 1: and I'd like you to talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: it if you could, which is killing your clone. And
Speaker 1: I was wondering if you maybe you could talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about killing your clone, because it really resonated
Speaker 1: with me. Yeah, so the idea of killing your clone,
Speaker 1: and this the when I tore my bicept. I was
Speaker 1: playing this character based on a guy and the real
Speaker 1: guy is I don't know if you've seen the movie
Speaker 1: The Hunted with Benacio del Toro and Tom Louie Jones.
Speaker 1: So the guy I was playing is the guy who
Speaker 1: choreographed all that knife off. He's uh considered uh um
Speaker 1: a subject matter expert in edged weapons by by our government,
Speaker 1: like our government says he's the most knowledgeable person with knives,
Speaker 1: and yeah, he's awesome. Is this? This is also Patrick
Speaker 1: Huguets teacher, isn't it? Yes? Pat's been training with him
Speaker 1: even longer than I've known him, and I I was
Speaker 1: playing a character based on him in a TV show
Speaker 1: called Chance, which I thought was very good. Nobody watched it,
Speaker 1: and getting to know him was this amazing experience. And
Speaker 1: he had all these little knowledge bombs and one of
Speaker 1: them was kill your clone. And for him, because he's uh,
Speaker 1: he trains military people in combatives. The idea is like,
Speaker 1: as a warrior, every day you have to be able
Speaker 1: to kill the old version of you, but not the
Speaker 1: old version of you ten years ago, the version of
Speaker 1: you today tomorrow. You have to be be to kill.
Speaker 1: So you have to always be leveling up every day, training, uh,
Speaker 1: reading something. And so the way I apply it is
Speaker 1: just in order for me to level up as a person,
Speaker 1: as a father, as a husband, as an actor, as
Speaker 1: a human being. Whatever I'm doing every day is leveling up,
Speaker 1: and it's killing the old version of me. And the
Speaker 1: old version of me again, is not from the distant past.
Speaker 1: It's from the immediate past. It's from five minutes ago.
Speaker 1: How am I improving myself constantly? And in order to
Speaker 1: do that, I'm doing that so that I can kill
Speaker 1: the clone of me that exists in the past. Not
Speaker 1: such a cool concept. It really resonated me. I remember,
Speaker 1: just because I would. It was when I was really
Speaker 1: trail running, which I'm trying to get into again, and
Speaker 1: I would want to stop after about three miles, and
Speaker 1: then I'd say, no, wait, I did three miles yesterday,
Speaker 1: So I went three point two and then I take
Speaker 1: a picture. I'd send it to you be like, killed
Speaker 1: my clone. You're like good, Keep keep it up. That's
Speaker 1: a week later, I'm like four, I did full you know,
Speaker 1: it just kept going. Was let me say, it might
Speaker 1: be also important that you rest for a day so
Speaker 1: that you can kill that colin, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: there's that too, Like a day if you're just constantly
Speaker 1: going above, above, above, four miles and six miles, eventually
Speaker 1: you know you're running a hundred miles and your body says,
Speaker 1: go yourself, we're not doing this, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's that too. Yeah. Pat would always talk
Speaker 1: about So Patrick Fuguet for for those of you don't know,
Speaker 1: and a terrific actor. He was starting um almost almost
Speaker 1: famous and uh is a phenomenal dungeon master for the
Speaker 1: for the nerds out there, he was my d m um.
Speaker 1: So it was. And by the way, he's a killer.
Speaker 1: He is a killer, like I yeah, the first day
Speaker 1: I saw him in class, I was like, what are
Speaker 1: you doing here? Pat? And he was like, what do
Speaker 1: you mean? This is where I trained? And he is
Speaker 1: an assassin, Like he's a bad man. Yeah, very yeah,
Speaker 1: like yes, you just you kind of don't expect it,
Speaker 1: which is the thing I think that makes him so
Speaker 1: damn dangerous, which is awesome. Um, but yeah, he so
Speaker 1: he was would always impart that kind of wisdom as well,
Speaker 1: where he's like, no, you gotta you gotta do this,
Speaker 1: you gotta do And then I started asking about that
Speaker 1: teacher and he's like you and I gotta talk, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's very very very cool. Yeah, he's awesome
Speaker 1: that Tom Kaier is his name, and he he's a
Speaker 1: very special, special person because you know, I like to
Speaker 1: train combative ju jitsu stuff like that. It's almost always physical.
Speaker 1: Most of what I've learned from Tom is philosophical m M,
Speaker 1: which is great. Yeah. I want to go back to
Speaker 1: boy Meat's world for a second because I want it.
Speaker 1: So after you had done a number of episodes in
Speaker 1: the first couple of seasons and didn't see you for
Speaker 1: a long time, we they brought you back for the
Speaker 1: graduation episode in season five. Do you have any memories
Speaker 1: of what that was like to be back all of
Speaker 1: a sudden after a couple of years of not being there.
Speaker 1: Do you have any memories of that reunit that that
Speaker 1: graduation episode. I just remember shooting at Radford and being
Speaker 1: like this this is a popular show. Why does it
Speaker 1: keep moving? I remember that being every every two years
Speaker 1: it's a new studio. I was with you guys for
Speaker 1: Disney and then and when they were like, yeah, come
Speaker 1: do this episode it's at Radford, I was like, what's
Speaker 1: going on here? Why can't they just have this? We
Speaker 1: keep getting evicted? Well it does anyone know why? But
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I think it goes back to
Speaker 1: like we never felt like a popular show. Like we
Speaker 1: always felt like we were sort of taken for granted,
Speaker 1: like nobody. I don't know. I never even within the
Speaker 1: t G I F line know, we had lower ratings
Speaker 1: than Sabrina the Teenage Witch and all that, so we
Speaker 1: always kind of felt like we might get canceled at
Speaker 1: any moment. And it seems ridiculous now because we look back,
Speaker 1: We're like, there were millions of people watching us, we
Speaker 1: had so many fans, but we always felt like we
Speaker 1: were on the bubble, which is just weird. Um Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I mean to me, it was part of that. It
Speaker 1: was just like they just shuffle us around. We never
Speaker 1: had that much money, We never had security as a show.
Speaker 1: I don't like that. Yeah, that's weird. I that was
Speaker 1: prior to me even understanding what what TV ratings were
Speaker 1: it was just you know, people seem to like it,
Speaker 1: and it's part of t G. I F that seemed
Speaker 1: to be a big deal to you know, like most
Speaker 1: people aren't watching TV on Friday nights, but they're watching
Speaker 1: t t G if some yeah, we had that block.
Speaker 1: That block seemed to be just kind of unstoppable on
Speaker 1: a Friday night. So because I mean this is because
Speaker 1: you've changed so much physically. Do you ever get recognized
Speaker 1: from Boy Meets World all the time? You still do? Okay,
Speaker 1: It's it's it's you know, it's one of those things
Speaker 1: where they have to put it together like a like
Speaker 1: I know who you are right now for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: and I knew who you were fifteen years ago, but
Speaker 1: you were part of my life thirty years ago, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like it's one of those weird things. Um,
Speaker 1: but it is astonishing how consistent, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it's just always existed, you know, you do. When
Speaker 1: I remember when we were doing it, there was a
Speaker 1: certain age range of people who watched the show, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't ever a nineteen year old. It was like
Speaker 1: a fifteen year old. It was never a year old.
Speaker 1: And to have to go through the past thirty years
Speaker 1: and experience the different generations that have been touched by
Speaker 1: that show, because it's always I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: on the air now, but it was on the air
Speaker 1: for nearly thirty years. Yeah, the same. Yeah, and once
Speaker 1: streaming came around and then kind of went to streaming,
Speaker 1: but before streaming existed, it was never not on the air. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is really wild. Yeah, because you're right now there
Speaker 1: are eight year olds who know of it, there are
Speaker 1: forty five year olds who know of it, and then
Speaker 1: every single age in between, Yeah, which is you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes somebody will say like I loved you on boy
Speaker 1: T World, and I'm like, you're years old. When did
Speaker 1: you watch are we talking? Weren't a live They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: on MTV and reruns? Right, Yeah, it wasn't even MTV.
Speaker 1: Was it like MTV? We were like on the we
Speaker 1: were like an ESPN THEO it was, Yeah, we were
Speaker 1: we weren't even on the top MTV. Okay, we're watching it.
Speaker 1: You are the last person I could possibly ask about
Speaker 1: this mystery that has come up. It's a good one,
Speaker 1: so I've I mean, I think it's just a lot
Speaker 1: of character that's why we're trying. We're dying writer. Writer
Speaker 1: doesn't like the mystery, but I'm gonna tell you about
Speaker 1: it anyway. So when Adam Scott was here, Adam Scott,
Speaker 1: at the end of his interview says, all right, I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell you something. I haven't even talked about
Speaker 1: it about this at all. I just recently told the
Speaker 1: story to like my wife. I have otherwise kept it
Speaker 1: a complete secret all this time, but I'm dying to
Speaker 1: know if Writer, if you remember this story. And the
Speaker 1: story was that at the end of the season, we
Speaker 1: had just taped the last scene and everyone is like,
Speaker 1: whoa high fiving? You know, we're going into Hiatus rap
Speaker 1: party tomorrow or whatever it is, and everybody's like congratulating
Speaker 1: each other and giving hugs, and Adam Writer hugged you
Speaker 1: and Blake and then Adam was standing there and Adam
Speaker 1: went in and gave Writer a big hug, and Writer
Speaker 1: apparently shoved him off of him, like kind of aggressively
Speaker 1: and looked at him like what the f man and
Speaker 1: Adam was like and then ran and then it righter
Speaker 1: than ran off. I have absolutely no memory of that
Speaker 1: at all. I don't think I can't picture a rider
Speaker 1: doing that. Writer with such a sweetheart and such a hugger.
Speaker 1: I think it's so. I'm a huggy guy, always been.
Speaker 1: I mean, is that one of the things where like,
Speaker 1: you hug somebody and you and you perceive, right, it's
Speaker 1: all in your your universe kind of you perceive their
Speaker 1: energy not being off, and then it becomes over the
Speaker 1: course of decades this shove. Right, That is entirely possible
Speaker 1: that it could have been something small that in his
Speaker 1: in his mind and especially feeling insecure, like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I hugged at the star at the show and it didn't.
Speaker 1: It didn't it didn't get the response that I was expecting,
Speaker 1: And it could have been that. But also one of
Speaker 1: the things that I thought of was that I remember
Speaker 1: you and Blake being especially Blake being very like, like
Speaker 1: I said, mischievous or pranky, and I imagined that maybe
Speaker 1: you two did something like grabbed Writer's butt in the
Speaker 1: middle of Adams hug by the way that could have happened, Okay, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's I think that could have happened, like
Speaker 1: because because like Adam told us about, he killed you
Speaker 1: guys like an incredibly dirty joke, and you and Blake
Speaker 1: were like, you know who would think that's funny? Tony
Speaker 1: Quinn and like that's funny, and you like so you
Speaker 1: guys would do stuff like that all the time, and
Speaker 1: like there's I don't remember this moment at all, but
Speaker 1: I imagine one of you guys watching him hug me
Speaker 1: could have like grabbed my ass or something to just
Speaker 1: freak me out, and I thought it was him, and
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, the first thing I thought of
Speaker 1: was like, I wonder if there was something going on
Speaker 1: where that was kind of set up and so anyway,
Speaker 1: I don't have a strong memory of that specifically occurring. However,
Speaker 1: within that universe that a million percent like if somebody
Speaker 1: said this happened, I'd go, yeah, that probably probably that
Speaker 1: sounds more pile yeah then right or just not like
Speaker 1: we hug right. Well that so that leads to Blake.
Speaker 1: The other thing Blake told us was that when he
Speaker 1: when you no speak for him, when he said he
Speaker 1: met all of us, he felt like we were all
Speaker 1: kind of the good pure kids, and you were the
Speaker 1: two of you were kind of like a little bit
Speaker 1: of darkness coming on the set. Is that how how
Speaker 1: you felt when you met us. Look, you guys had
Speaker 1: to go to school. You guys had people there who
Speaker 1: were in authority positions. And me and Blake had forties
Speaker 1: in our trailers, if you know what I mean. We
Speaker 1: we didn't. That's what we had. We we had like
Speaker 1: we had cocktails for lunch, even though neither of us
Speaker 1: were anywhere near to one one. Is that true? Were
Speaker 1: you really seventeen years old? Man? Are doing that? I'm
Speaker 1: not going to speak for Blake. I was doing just
Speaker 1: about everything you could imagine, maybe not on day one
Speaker 1: of work at the time. We got to the point
Speaker 1: where I was like, oh, these guys have to go
Speaker 1: to school every day for three hours and I don't
Speaker 1: have this, Like I don't have to be here, like
Speaker 1: I can do whatever. And then when we come back,
Speaker 1: nobody's got a lot of energy, like nobody very loose.
Speaker 1: It became so there was I don't think Look, and
Speaker 1: also Blake had been doing this for a while already,
Speaker 1: so he he had everything dialed way more than I did.
Speaker 1: But I was I feel like that identity grew, you know,
Speaker 1: there was a there were higher stakes for you guys.
Speaker 1: You guys, you know, by the time I understood what
Speaker 1: contracts were and all of that, and how there were
Speaker 1: you know, not right, I don't think ever had a parent,
Speaker 1: but there were some parents. Ben's mom was always there,
Speaker 1: um and and so it was like, okay, we're now
Speaker 1: in our best behavior, and then there's just carnage in
Speaker 1: the trailer, you know, behind in the alley. We're out
Speaker 1: in the alley behind the building, which is like the
Speaker 1: you know, the crack alley on your Disney law. You
Speaker 1: guys were having so much fun though it wasn't super healthy,
Speaker 1: but it was probably so much fun. It was so
Speaker 1: much fun. It couldn't have been better. Like honestly, it
Speaker 1: spoiled me for jobs moving into the future, like some
Speaker 1: pilots that were multi camp pilots. Uh. After that, and
Speaker 1: I was just like, what are we doing? Why are
Speaker 1: we still here? Why? What do you know? Much learning?
Speaker 1: It's been done? I want three hours for lunch at
Speaker 1: the bar? What is the six I'm call all about? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I know I remember realizing that too, like after Boy
Speaker 1: met World, like working as an actor is hard, but
Speaker 1: multi multi caam it was the easiest schedule and and
Speaker 1: also coming in for me having have you guys having
Speaker 1: ironed whatever kinks out year one, even though I know
Speaker 1: it was changing a lot, it was already running. Once
Speaker 1: that machine is running for a while, it's it just
Speaker 1: knows what it is and they're not nobody scrambling to
Speaker 1: get everybody there. You know. It was like it was
Speaker 1: nice to come in on season two on a show
Speaker 1: that's established, that knows what it is or knows what
Speaker 1: it's becoming, and everybody knows their part. It was great.
Speaker 1: It was awesome. So looking back now after thirty very
Speaker 1: consistent years working in Hollywood, like, I just like to
Speaker 1: have a little list of some of the directors that
Speaker 1: Ethan has worked with, Martin Scorsese, Ted Demi, Todd Phillips,
Speaker 1: Tony k Tony Scott, Dave that Lynch, Kevin Smith, and
Speaker 1: Channing Tatum. What are your three feelings looking back on
Speaker 1: your very first job, Boy Meets World, David Trainer, the
Speaker 1: best guy in the business. Um, there's utter just the
Speaker 1: fondest memories. Like I I feel like, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: I've been asked many times like how do I get
Speaker 1: in acting? And I'm like, I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: especially now, like who knows how anything works now? Because
Speaker 1: it's like everything's done like this on zoom. Like, if
Speaker 1: you guys were doing this three years ago, we'd be
Speaker 1: sitting in a room somewhere all together. What we don't
Speaker 1: even do that now. So I I don't know how
Speaker 1: it works now, but I know that, like you tend
Speaker 1: to not get your first audition, and and then when
Speaker 1: they say, like you're not in the union, you can't work,
Speaker 1: there's not a backup five hours later that says like, well,
Speaker 1: we'll take you and we'll handle that union thing. And
Speaker 1: so I've always felt really kind of um lucky or
Speaker 1: blessed in that way, blessed to be alive today with
Speaker 1: all the dumb stuff I did to my body. UM,
Speaker 1: blessed to have not um turned into a total life.
Speaker 1: You know, UM, maybe have yelled a few times in
Speaker 1: the last thirty years, but but never maliciously, which is
Speaker 1: thank god. UM. And uh, the fact that it started
Speaker 1: with boy Meat's world has been nothing but make me
Speaker 1: feel grateful because it has affected so many people, Like
Speaker 1: it's profound how many people of ridiculously varying ages through
Speaker 1: the years, from little kids to adults to adults now
Speaker 1: who said I grew up with you like you meant
Speaker 1: something to me. As a child. That's a huge deal.
Speaker 1: Did your kids watch it? Um? I don't know if
Speaker 1: my kids. We we shrive very hard to limit television,
Speaker 1: like we don't have kids in our We have some
Speaker 1: streaming platforms. I have told them many times, like I
Speaker 1: caught them as teenagers watching my name is Earle, and
Speaker 1: I was like, what are you doing? Turn that off?
Speaker 1: Like I don't want that plane into here. So I've
Speaker 1: always kind of like not like seeing myself and then
Speaker 1: felt uncomfortable with myself in my house. And so they haven't.
Speaker 1: I don't think they have. They might have. I have
Speaker 1: no idea. I don't as they My fellow co host
Speaker 1: here will tell you I am happily childless. I have
Speaker 1: a step daughter, but happily childless. But from everything I've
Speaker 1: heard about parenting, um, it sounds like you can catch
Speaker 1: your children doing a lot worse things than watching your
Speaker 1: own television show, for sure, which I and I taught
Speaker 1: them doing worse things than watching my But I don't
Speaker 1: even know. It's less of a it's less of a
Speaker 1: painful memory somehow, you know, them laughing at you, basically
Speaker 1: doing this performance to like distract people from actually looking
Speaker 1: at you. It was a very meta thing to walk
Speaker 1: into my house and see them watching the show and
Speaker 1: then saying like, no, it's actually pretty good dad. You
Speaker 1: know well I said the same thing to Blake, because
Speaker 1: Blake also hasn't watched it in you know, thirty some
Speaker 1: odd years. But if you ever feel so inclined, do
Speaker 1: yourself a favor and watch your performance on Boy Meets World,
Speaker 1: because it's great. It's great, man, you are truly phenomenal.
Speaker 1: And um, you know. Writer remembers talking about it with
Speaker 1: David Trainer, that David Trainer specifically pulling right aside and
Speaker 1: being like, look at this guy. Look at what he's
Speaker 1: able to do by like your second episode. He he
Speaker 1: like pointed you out. He's like, this is this is
Speaker 1: an actor. This is how you need to be like
Speaker 1: he is, so he's like, I mean, his point was,
Speaker 1: this character could easily be a joke. You know, this
Speaker 1: character could easily, as written, be one note. And Ethan
Speaker 1: is taking everything so seriously and committing so hard to
Speaker 1: what he's doing that this is like, you know, a
Speaker 1: masterclass in acting. Watch this guy. Um, And I totally
Speaker 1: remember it, and I remember realizing it too, which is
Speaker 1: partly why I thought you were such an old pro
Speaker 1: you know what, I've never assumed that it was your
Speaker 1: first job. In my mind, you were just this older
Speaker 1: genius actor I had to had to follow. I bet there,
Speaker 1: I bet a little bit of it was just like,
Speaker 1: don't blow this, you know, ye don't because I even remember,
Speaker 1: like I have to even today, go like, you got
Speaker 1: a job, you have to actually put some effort into this,
Speaker 1: because there is kind of the thing to go like,
Speaker 1: I've been doing this for a while, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna show up. And I was not just
Speaker 1: showing up for the world. I was working. I was
Speaker 1: like I was trying, you know, I was trying. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: well it shows. It's it shows, I mean, really a
Speaker 1: remarkable performance. So thank you for being here with us, Ethan.
Speaker 1: I hope it wasn't too much of a I think
Speaker 1: you were being hassled on Instagram about it. You need
Speaker 1: to get anything. We were like, we are you know,
Speaker 1: any mention of Boy Meets World. It's it's nothing but
Speaker 1: pure glorious nostalgia for me. And I'm so glad you
Speaker 1: guys are doing this because I think that there are
Speaker 1: so many people who want to ask me questions about
Speaker 1: you guys, and I'm like, I don't know what to
Speaker 1: tell you talk to them. So I think it's like
Speaker 1: somewhat important that you guys are doing this. Thank you well,
Speaker 1: thank you, And if you'd ever like to come back
Speaker 1: for a recap, maybe we could force you to watch
Speaker 1: an episode and then you can come back and talk
Speaker 1: about it with us. All right, I'll do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to watch the one I remember talking about
Speaker 1: having a grilled cheese in my sandwich and somebody. That's
Speaker 1: something that people have said to me repeatedly, and so
Speaker 1: I need to go back and watch that. I have
Speaker 1: no idea what it is. Okay, we we will put
Speaker 1: we will put our producer on it to figure out
Speaker 1: which episode that is, and then maybe come back and
Speaker 1: recap that one with us. Yeah, okay, it's in season three.
Speaker 1: I just got a note it's in season three, so yeah,
Speaker 1: so we will. We will be wrapping this, uh this
Speaker 1: season up probably around June and then moving into season three,
Speaker 1: so maybe towards the end of this year you could
Speaker 1: come back and recap that one with us. I'm okay, awesome,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being to see you guys. Wow,
Speaker 1: isn't it so crazy? How I was thinking about the
Speaker 1: fact that he has no memory really of being in
Speaker 1: Michael's office and pitching the script idea, And I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: isn't it so weird and wonderful and amazing? How many
Speaker 1: times it has come up that, like, our memories are
Speaker 1: all so different because of the things we're going on
Speaker 1: in our lives at the time, and like the things
Speaker 1: that were you know, like how it was so important
Speaker 1: to me that I got this audition for Topango when
Speaker 1: I was and yet ultimately it was just another guest
Speaker 1: star role, but to me it stood out so much.
Speaker 1: Um and here Blake, Blake, it was such a like
Speaker 1: it was such a memory for him, and Even's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a recollection of doing something like that. But
Speaker 1: you're right, right, or to exactly what you said, he
Speaker 1: was already doing so many other things, not getting a
Speaker 1: phone call about boy Meat's world wasn't as high on
Speaker 1: his radar as it was maybe on Blake's exactly. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just so it's yeah, hearing those stories too, but
Speaker 1: I mean things that were happening on the set that
Speaker 1: we had no idea, but just all these different little
Speaker 1: worlds were going on these pocket worlds that are happening
Speaker 1: in this one global universe that was boy Meats World
Speaker 1: is uh is pretty cool and we're all going, wait
Speaker 1: what uh So? I think that's I think that's what
Speaker 1: That's what I'm taking away more from this podcast, I
Speaker 1: think than anything else, as much as I'm loving watching
Speaker 1: the episodes, and I am and it's phenomenal to kind
Speaker 1: of stroll down memory lane too. Oh, I remember shooting
Speaker 1: this and this is what the character did. Hearing the
Speaker 1: other experiences of the people that we had no idea
Speaker 1: what was going on in these little worlds has been
Speaker 1: so eye opening to me. It's been amazing. I mean,
Speaker 1: Blake and Ethan won't okay, Ethan was drunk yet three o'clock,
Speaker 1: we're going to the bar just a little bit. The
Speaker 1: thought of the two of them going to get a
Speaker 1: beer and then going to a movie and then showing
Speaker 1: back up to do our run through. Were you guys
Speaker 1: in English class two? Can you help me with the
Speaker 1: math problem? But it's also so funny that he lumps
Speaker 1: me in with that's what everybody lumped me in with
Speaker 1: with with you guys where it was I was actually
Speaker 1: apparently older than them, and we were just so different
Speaker 1: that the idea was hanging out and going to the
Speaker 1: shooting rangement. Yeah, it just never go I don't think
Speaker 1: it occurred to them to ever invite me to have
Speaker 1: a drink in the trailer, And it never occurred to
Speaker 1: me to ask. You know, we're just yours. We're such
Speaker 1: different people that you kind of now I want to
Speaker 1: go back and go just once. I want to go
Speaker 1: share a beer with those guys in the trailer. I
Speaker 1: know the one time you did go in the trailer
Speaker 1: and they played music with Jenny Lewis, Like, that was
Speaker 1: the awesome day. Yeah, it was a phenomenal day. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that was man, that was cool. And the whole god
Speaker 1: the story about his dad. I know, I wish we
Speaker 1: had a different podcast because I wanted to like really
Speaker 1: have a whole conversation about that. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's talk about this on the on the
Speaker 1: other podcast we have, and then a third podcast just
Speaker 1: to talk about all the films he's done and the
Speaker 1: directors that he's worked with, and and the grandchildren he has.
Speaker 1: These kids are Gray's of grandpa. He's a grandpa. That's cool,
Speaker 1: man And and then okay, so then we're gonna need
Speaker 1: that's four. We're gonna need a fifth just about his
Speaker 1: health journey, because that's a whole another world for him.
Speaker 1: Um and if you have not followed him and on
Speaker 1: Instagram and seeing his um his journey, it's staggering. And
Speaker 1: the people that he's helped in the kind of health
Speaker 1: world as well, myself included. I mean I was I
Speaker 1: would look at it every day and I would always
Speaker 1: send him a picture, you know, kind of hey killed
Speaker 1: my clone today, and he was always supportive. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was very very cool. That's cute. Well, thank you guys
Speaker 1: for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World.
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Speaker 1: It's just that it takes a while to get him loaded.
Speaker 1: Uh So, yeah, thank you guys for being with us.
Speaker 1: I hope this episode lived up to all your expectations.
Speaker 1: Since man, people love Ethan as they should. Boy, They've
Speaker 1: they've been excited to have him on. So thanks for
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