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Speaker 1: my father was really proud of me, and it was

428
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: like really profoundly meaningful. You know. It was like a

429
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: massive deal because all the that I carried inside about

430
00:23:53,560 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: myself evaporated in that moment. It was really awesome. Wow. Man, Yeah,

431
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: it was a big deal. The show was a big deal.

432
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: It touched a lot of people. We're starting to realize that.

433
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we knew, but you know, but

434
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 1: you don't know. I'm you don't really get what it

435
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: meant to people until you hear a lot of the stories,

436
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: and especially when we started doing conventions together and things

437
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 1: like that, and you hear the stories of people coming

438
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: up to us and how much the show affected them

439
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: and different aspects of the show. I mean, you don't

440
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: some people identify with Writer's character because of the way

441
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: Sean grew up in a trailer park. They identify with

442
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,479
Speaker 1: Eric because he he didn't get into college and had

443
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: to find another way to get in there. Or Danielle's

444
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: character of being unkey and weird and smart and still

445
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: having friends and boys. You know, yeah, you just it's

446
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 1: it's you don't realize how much you're affecting people when

447
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: you're doing what you're doing. Um So, yeah, hearing stories

448
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: like that is insane amazing. Yeah, it was like life

449
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: changing moment for me, and so thank you guys for

450
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,479
Speaker 1: being a part of it. It's so different from you know,

451
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: my experience, like because I just hated fame so much,

452
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: like I just never wanted to get recognized. I never

453
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: wanted to be acknowledged. Um So, it's it's I'm so

454
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 1: glad that it was like the exact opposite for you.

455
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,959
Speaker 1: You know that at a moment like that could be

456
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: so empowering. I mean, yes, but look, there is certainly

457
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: there's a line there, and I can't I can't imagine

458
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: what you were going through could be fun at all,

459
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: because that's a totally different thing. This is kids who

460
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: you know, they're also recognizing I'm the bully though I'm

461
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: kind hearted, I'm not a guy they're running up and

462
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 1: squealing over. But it is there is some defense there.

463
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: It is a deflection. It's like I now have kids

464
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 1: who on any other at any other point in my life,

465
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: would have been snickering at me, or would have been

466
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: nice kids and and just ignored me, or maybe made friends.

467
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: But there the the the look from across at a distance,

468
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: the continued look back that always meant I'm going to

469
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: get made fun of and and it stopped meaning, which

470
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: was a big deal, massive, massive deal. Wow. I So

471
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: we had Blake on recently and he talked about how

472
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: important your friendship was to him, not just while he

473
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: was on Boy Means World, but just generally in his life.

474
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: What do you remember about your friendship with Blake and

475
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: the way you guys were on set together, and do

476
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: you remember any pranks like we We think about you

477
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: guys as being like a little I don't know if

478
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: Frank's is the right word, but yeah, we were up

479
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: to stuff. We were certainly up to stuff. Um. Blake

480
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: was so much fun and we were we were very

481
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: very close friends. You know, I'm now a grandfather. So

482
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: and this is also going back almost are you. Yeah,

483
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: it's completely wild. But yeah, I have a nine month

484
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: old grand four girls, granddaughter. Yeah, congratulations, that's incredible. So

485
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: I don't have a huge amount of time for socializing,

486
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: but I've you know, Blake. Blake and I continued to

487
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: be friends until I basically was like, I'm not raising kids,

488
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be social with people. And that

489
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: chapter is over. You know, Well, it's funny because Blake

490
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: now has a has a child, and so he understands

491
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: it perfectly. I can guarantee you he is in the

492
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: thick of it. So we also recently had on Adam Scott,

493
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: and so what do you what do you remember about

494
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: that kind of changeover from you know, we had had Danny,

495
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: Danny was Harley, than Danny left, and then they brought

496
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: somebody else on for one episode and that person was gone,

497
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: and then Adam Scott comes in. Do you have any

498
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: specific memories about your time with Adam or about that changeover.

499
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 1: I loved Adam. Adam was wonderful. I remember feeling very

500
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: empathetic for the position he was put in, you know,

501
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 1: because Harley was a popular character and that and and

502
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: then and then there was that other guy who was

503
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: in and out. So it's like he came in knowing

504
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: that that's a lot of compressure. And I just felt

505
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: like he was such a nice, good guy that I

506
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: was rooting for him, you know what I mean. He

507
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: he was like a guy where I don't remember the

508
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: last guy. I don't remember the intern between Unfortunately, like

509
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: two days it was yeah, he Yeah, he came, came

510
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: and was gone. I mean, they didn't even have time

511
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: to change the name of the character. They just you're

512
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: Harley now, thanks, you know. So, yeah, we didn't. I

513
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: don't remember his name either. Well we'll find out when

514
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: we get to the episode. Yeah, exactly. But Adam was

515
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: a sweetheart and uh and I thought he was great.

516
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: You know, he was a totally different than Harley, but

517
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: he was He was awesome in a totally different way.

518
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: Very cool and um maybe not quite as scared, but

519
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: that's okay because we weren't meant to be the scariest guys. Yeah, no,

520
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: I have I have a question for you. So, before

521
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: he came on, um and and was just obviously one

522
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: of the nicest guys ever, were you a wrestling fan

523
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: had did you know who Vader was before they brought

524
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: him on to play your dad, no idea. Never I

525
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: saw Cogan, I like new whole Cogan. I knew Jake

526
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: the Snake. I knew when when when he written out

527
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: of match with Jake the Snake. I knew Jake the Snake.

528
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: But but I had never heard of Vader before, which

529
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: seem sacrilegious to me, you know, having known now he

530
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: was a big deal, but I didn't at the time

531
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: know him. Did you have a great time working with

532
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: him as your dad? Like, what was your relationship? I

533
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: mean you probably worked closer with him than than any

534
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: of us. What was you know? He told me he

535
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: I got like really hardcore stories about fighting in Asia.

536
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: He would go and do we all remember, Yeah, where

537
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: he like he lost an eye in a match and

538
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: scooped his eye back in back in himself. That's right,

539
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: put it back in himself when he won some sort

540
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: of ultimate fighting international. Yeah, it's a crazy When he

541
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: first told me that story, I was like, this guy's

542
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: And then I asked some people and they were like, no, no,

543
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: he's legit. Like that guy's as legit as they come.

544
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: And then I was kind of like treated him with

545
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: a lot more deference but when he first said told

546
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: that story, I was like, you're just coming in hearing

547
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: and to tell me you lost an eye and fight

548
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: in Japan. Yeah, and shoved it back into your head.

549
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: What kind of what do you take me for it? Um?

550
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: The most nerve racking experience which you were there for, righting,

551
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: was that WrestleMania. Yes, and so I almost got into

552
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: a fight with multiple people. Nobody prepared us for. No, no,

553
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: They just wanting to shut us out, no idea, and

554
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I think all the people there, we're

555
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: just there as red, like they didn't know what was happening.

556
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: We didn't know what's happening. And people hated him. People

557
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: hated Vader so much, and they were saying really nasty stuff.

558
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: But I remember somebody telling me in between stuff, they

559
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: were like, you're Mike, stop fighting with people because you

560
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: can hear what you're saying. Oh, I love it. You

561
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: fought back. Ben and I were just terrified. I remember

562
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: feeling like like running backstage and almost crying because everyone

563
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: was just like, you know, screal boardman world, and we

564
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: were just like but you, I know, you were on

565
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: like you were in the ring the entire time. Ben

566
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: and I were like running in and out, but you

567
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: were there the whole I love that you fought back.

568
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 1: I was I almost got into a physical fight with

569
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: people in the audience, and one of the whoever was

570
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: somebody there, somebody on our team, was like, stop, you're

571
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: acting like, don't listen to them. You're gonna get in

572
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: real trouble. And I was like, that guy's keep saying,

573
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: your mom, I'm ready. You know that was That was

574
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: one of the most nerve racket experiences of my life. Yeah, god, God,

575
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: I'll think about that sometimes. Like you know, it's very difficult,

576
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: even on gigantic movies to like lock up New York

577
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: City streets, and so you'll be in the middle of

578
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: shooting something and you'll just think, like, this is a

579
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: hundred million dollar movie and you guys can't like pause.

580
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: These people from the walking through the same like what

581
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: are you? What are we doing there? And even then

582
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: I'll have to remind myself just go back to the

583
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: mid nineties and WrestleMania and this is like nothing can eat.

584
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: So I have a question for you, because you're you're

585
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: in a very unique position to answer this. Um you

586
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: went on I mean not only to do all the

587
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: films that you've done, but My Name Is Earl was

588
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: it was a huge hit as well. Can you talk

589
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: about is there one type of television you enjoyed doing

590
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: more than you know? I mean, you went from four

591
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: camera on Boy Meats World with an audience to single

592
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,479
Speaker 1: cam on My Name Is Earl, which is kind of

593
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: like shooting a film every day. Is there one type

594
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 1: of show you preferred doing over the other? Well, okay,

595
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: I mean like there's uh, there's I guess I. I

596
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: guess I would have to answer this as honestly as

597
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: I possibly can and say, like I did Boy Meats World,

598
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: which really spoiled me for my next working experience, which

599
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: was like so night and day, nothing like the leisurely

600
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: work schedule that we had, especially because you guys would

601
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: have to go to school and I wouldn't. And suddenly

602
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: it's like me and Blake are going to the movies

603
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: at lunch in the middle of the day. You guys

604
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: have a couple hours of school, and we're just like,

605
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: please keep them in school. This is great, Um, but

606
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: I like the aesthetic. I guess, I guess I would

607
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: probably prefer watching a single camera show. But you just

608
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: can't be. I then went on to do uh a

609
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: bunch of episodes of a show called The Ranch and

610
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: the Ranch, you know, towards the last season of that,

611
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: I was on Boy Meats World. It even got looser

612
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: than that. It got to be like table read and

613
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: we're out. We just call it do the table. So

614
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: it got to the point on The Ranch where they'd

615
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: call me and go, we need you for four episodes

616
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: this season. We need six hours pick a day and

617
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 1: I'd go, I'd go like, how's this day and they'd go, great,

618
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: we'll see you from this time to this time. And

619
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: I would literally show up and they would block shoot

620
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: my scenes and I would be done, And that was

621
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: the whole season, like four episodes or it was insane. Now,

622
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: I don't think you can beat multi camera for like

623
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: your life, especially if you have kids or something like that.

624
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: Was that also David Trainer? Yeah, David Trainer, who you

625
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: would have met on your very first job ever, Boy

626
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: Meets World? What what like? The greatest guy? It's amazing man. Yes, yeah,

627
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: it's one of our first guests. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I

628
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 1: mean we remember him so well because he was so

629
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we were all for the most part

630
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: pretty green and the way he works with actors, and

631
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he's he's just one of the

632
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 1: best ever. So yeah, that's so funny. Did you guys

633
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: talk about Boy Meets World then when you did that

634
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: really all the time? Yeah? Yeah, And I had um

635
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: he did all the episodes of that seven ye and

636
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 1: I went to there said a couple of times and

637
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: was like, Holy trainer, you're here. This is amazing. So

638
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: I had seen him again in between, but it was

639
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: a pretty big It was a twenty year gap between

640
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: when I had worked with him, and it was really fun. Man,

641
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: he's he's he's the best. Do you have a specific

642
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: favorite like behind the scenes memory of filming that isn't WrestleMania,

643
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: or maybe it is WrestleMania, or like a favorite episode

644
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: or scene that really stands out to you over the

645
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: nineteen episodes of Boy Meets World you did, Yeah, I

646
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: think it's not WrestleMania. Like that's one of those things

647
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: like you you get into a car accident and you

648
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: survive it, and then you tell the story because it's

649
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: like exciting, but you don't want to ever do that again,

650
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: you know. I think, just like the first episode. Every

651
00:36:53,640 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: every experience on that episode was new and fresh and

652
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: interesting and exciting, and and it it never really got old,

653
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: you know, it was always it was always kind of

654
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: fun and exciting. But that first that first episode that

655
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: was Disney. Um, working at Disney was exciting. Yeah, all

656
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: of it. It was just so surreal. Yeah, Disney Studios.

657
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's it's probably also because it

658
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: was my first job too, but like, although that's not true,

659
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: I had done Full House, but there's something about when

660
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: you first work at Disney Studios and you're that just

661
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: feels like, I don't know, the magic of Disney. People

662
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: talk about the magic of Disney. You go onto the

663
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: Disney lot and the squirrels come up to you. That's

664
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: not a joke, they actually do. It is there is

665
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: something about Disney that is just magical. Really, they're piping

666
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: in happiness from somewhere. It's amazing. Man. So when Blake

667
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: was here, he we asked him about if he had

668
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: a specific memory about when or how he found out

669
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: you guys weren't going to be coming back to the show,

670
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: and he told us a story that you guys actually

671
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: went in to pitch a script that you had written. Yeah,

672
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: so the story Blake told and I was I was

673
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: actually before actually know what, let me not tell you

674
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: what Blake said. Let's just do you have a memory

675
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: of when or how you found out that like Frankie

676
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: and Joey just weren't going to be coming back to

677
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: the show ever. No, I don't. I don't remember. No,

678
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: I really don't. Um. I mean no, I don't remember.

679
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: I don't remember it being official in that way. But

680
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: it was always weak. I suppose it probably was. Yeah, well,

681
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: because even when you guys did the first episode, you

682
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: had no idea that you were coming back, right, it

683
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: was just the one off. No, it was towards the

684
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: end of the week and they were like, hey, two

685
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: weeks from now, are you busy? And I of course

686
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: was not. So that was kind of my entire experience,

687
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: was like hey this week, can you work? You know? Um?

688
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: But I I have no memory really of it becoming

689
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: an official, but I would love to hear what Blake's. Yeah,

690
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: so Blake said that you guys wrote a script that

691
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: was based around like Catcher in the Rye, Like there

692
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: was a Holden Caufield character, and you were really excited

693
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: about it. You had worked really hard on it. You

694
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: felt like you had all the angles worked out, and

695
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: you went in to pitch it to Michael Jacobs, and

696
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: in that meeting, Michael listened. He took it all in

697
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, you know, it's really good. Um,

698
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: we're not going to buy it, but I'm you know,

699
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: glad you guys are here because we have good news.

700
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: We're actually going to offer you contracts. Like whether that

701
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: meant more recurring or thirteen out of twenty two or one,

702
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: like I don't you don't don't know if you really specified,

703
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: but it was definitely like, you guys are going to

704
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: be an official part of the cast. Now, you're gonna

705
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: be coming background regularly. And then you guys never heard

706
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: from him again and just never came back to the show.

707
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: He said, you left the room. You were high fiving, like, yeah,

708
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: this is awesome, He's like, and then nothing. I feel

709
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: like I do remember going to see him, but I don't.

710
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I mean, listen in in fairness towards

711
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: the end, I had a bit of a drug problem,

712
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: and you know, like we like we can be as

713
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: real and open podcast as we want. We're adults now,

714
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: I've gotten my act together. I've been sober now for

715
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: multiple decades, and so that's good. But towards the end,

716
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: and you know, I never I just never thought about

717
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: it because I wasn't really paying attention. I'm sure that happened.

718
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: I do have some vague recollection of us in Michael

719
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: Jacob's office, and it's it's a memory where I'm like,

720
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: why the were we in Michael jakes off, you know,

721
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: But but I do recall us being there, and I

722
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: I could have gotten excited over anything at that point.

723
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: You know, I was excitable in that state, but U

724
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: and I was. But you were also already working a

725
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: lot world, you know. I imagine that it probably didn't

726
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: mean as much to you because I mean, even between

727
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: what season two and three you did Mall Rats right

728
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: like that must have been a writer, because I remember

729
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: you coming back and telling us about it and being like, oh,

730
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: I can't wait for this because I was a huge

731
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: Clerks fan and I love that whole you know, so

732
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: it was like such a big deal that you were

733
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: already doing. And then American History X like that all

734
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: happened during Boy Meets World, So yeah, you were already

735
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: like rolling right into other projects. Yeah, I think. I mean,

736
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: like I liked the I think, you know, when I

737
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: didn't understand anything at first, and so at first it

738
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: was like I'm on this show. And when I was

739
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: doing multiple episodes, I was like, oh, I'm I'm on

740
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: this show, like I'm actually on this show. And then

741
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: I I learned like, oh no, there's different contracts and that,

742
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't understand TV and movies and anything

743
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: like that. And I think by the time I stopped

744
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: doing the show, I was just doing other stuff and

745
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't there. I have no memory of any point

746
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: going like that's a bummer that I'm not doing that right,

747
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: you know, right, you just got you just were stopped

748
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: being asked, but you were being asked to do a

749
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: bunch of other things exactly right. And then you know

750
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 1: your I will guarantee you your question is better than mine.

751
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: I don't know about that now, and then we'll be

752
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: the judge. Well, I was going to talk about his

753
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: journey into this new healthy, incredible life questions too. Yes,

754
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I I follow you on Instagram. I see

755
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: your your food journey and your fitness journey. Talk to

756
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: us about that and what you are up to And

757
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: I just started working out again, and my whole body hurts. Thanks,

758
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: my whole body hurts. Um. I I was kind of

759
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: newly sober in two thousand, two thousand one, two thousand one,

760
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: newly sober, and uh, I'd had a few rough patches

761
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: of getting sober, and and now I kind of had

762
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: my footing there. And you know, I woke up one

763
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: day and I was like, Oh, I have this whole

764
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: other thing that I haven't been thinking about that I

765
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: should really start addressing. And I had this girlfriend who

766
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: I cared very much about, and I had this weird

767
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: experience where I kind of realized that if I didn't

768
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: do something about this, my relationship couldn't go anywhere with

769
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: her because there was tons of stuff that I couldn't

770
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: participate with her. And she liked going to going on

771
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: hikes and spending time at the beach and going to museums.

772
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: None of that was interesting to me at my size

773
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,959
Speaker 1: and uh, and so I had to ask her for help.

774
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: And asking her for help, it was almost as though

775
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: I was letting her in on a secret, because she

776
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: didn't ever treat me as though it was an issue

777
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: and it was a very weird situation to find myself in.

778
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: And then when I asked her for help, she kind

779
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: of was like, yeah, that's no problem, we can totally

780
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: do that. Um. There were many years after that of

781
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: trying to uh figure out what food was doing to

782
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: me rather than what I was doing to myself with food,

783
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 1: and so I didn't really get my I didn't really

784
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: come to a proper equilibrium with that until many years later.

785
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: And um, there was a one point with her where

786
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: I had gotten really thin and doing lots of cardio

787
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: and starving myself and that just was not sustainable at all.

788
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: And I finally threw up my hands and said to

789
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: my wife, I'm getting fat at him, like this is

790
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: not fun, living like this is not fun. And she

791
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, that's fine. And then I was doing

792
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: a show in San Francisco and I tore my bicept

793
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: and I gained a bunch of weight, but I didn't care.

794
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: I was eating whatever I wanted. And I had to

795
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: have surgery on my arm, and normally it was like

796
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: a very simple outpatient surgery, and because of my weight,

797
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: they said no, no, you're too heavy for outpatient. You

798
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: have to go do this in a hospital and my

799
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: wife said, listen, I've never really cared. I love you.

800
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 1: You know I love you. This is not an issue

801
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: that I have with you aesthetically at all, but because

802
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: there's this weird health concern, you have to get your

803
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: weight below whatever that number is. I don't care what

804
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: the number is, but get your weight below that. And

805
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: then I just was like, Okay, now I have another

806
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: reason to do this. Plus I have a bunch of

807
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: kids and I want to be around for them as

808
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: long as possible. But that's been that's been the real

809
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: impetus behind trying to get and maintain a level of leanness. Um.

810
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: So when I was on social media, which I have

811
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 1: not been for years and years and years, and there's

812
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: very few things I miss about social media, but following

813
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: you is I do miss because you gave me a

814
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: philosophy when I start working out. I've always struggle with

815
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: my weight. I will fluctuate sixty pounds sometimes. Um, you

816
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: had a concept that just spoke so much to me,

817
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: and I would hit you up on Instagram about it. Uh,

818
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: and I'd like you to talk a little bit about

819
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: it if you could, which is killing your clone. And

820
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: I was wondering if you maybe you could talk a

821
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: little bit about killing your clone, because it really resonated

822
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,959
Speaker 1: with me. Yeah, so the idea of killing your clone,

823
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: and this the when I tore my bicept. I was

824
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: playing this character based on a guy and the real

825
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,479
Speaker 1: guy is I don't know if you've seen the movie

826
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 1: The Hunted with Benacio del Toro and Tom Louie Jones.

827
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: So the guy I was playing is the guy who

828
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: choreographed all that knife off. He's uh considered uh um

829
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: a subject matter expert in edged weapons by by our government,

830
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: like our government says he's the most knowledgeable person with knives,

831
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: and yeah, he's awesome. Is this? This is also Patrick

832
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: Huguets teacher, isn't it? Yes? Pat's been training with him

833
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: even longer than I've known him, and I I was

834
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,479
Speaker 1: playing a character based on him in a TV show

835
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: called Chance, which I thought was very good. Nobody watched it,

836
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: and getting to know him was this amazing experience. And

837
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: he had all these little knowledge bombs and one of

838
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: them was kill your clone. And for him, because he's uh,

839
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: he trains military people in combatives. The idea is like,

840
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: as a warrior, every day you have to be able

841
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: to kill the old version of you, but not the

842
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: old version of you ten years ago, the version of

843
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: you today tomorrow. You have to be be to kill.

844
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: So you have to always be leveling up every day, training, uh,

845
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: reading something. And so the way I apply it is

846
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: just in order for me to level up as a person,

847
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: as a father, as a husband, as an actor, as

848
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 1: a human being. Whatever I'm doing every day is leveling up,

849
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: and it's killing the old version of me. And the

850
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: old version of me again, is not from the distant past.

851
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: It's from the immediate past. It's from five minutes ago.

852
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: How am I improving myself constantly? And in order to

853
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: do that, I'm doing that so that I can kill

854
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: the clone of me that exists in the past. Not

855
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: such a cool concept. It really resonated me. I remember,

856
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: just because I would. It was when I was really

857
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: trail running, which I'm trying to get into again, and

858
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: I would want to stop after about three miles, and

859
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: then I'd say, no, wait, I did three miles yesterday,

860
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: So I went three point two and then I take

861
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: a picture. I'd send it to you be like, killed

862
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: my clone. You're like good, Keep keep it up. That's

863
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: a week later, I'm like four, I did full you know,

864
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 1: it just kept going. Was let me say, it might

865
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: be also important that you rest for a day so

866
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: that you can kill that colin, you know what I mean. Like,

867
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 1: there's that too, Like a day if you're just constantly

868
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 1: going above, above, above, four miles and six miles, eventually

869
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: you know you're running a hundred miles and your body says,

870
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: go yourself, we're not doing this, you know what I mean?

871
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's that too. Yeah. Pat would always talk

872
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: about So Patrick Fuguet for for those of you don't know,

873
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: and a terrific actor. He was starting um almost almost

874
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: famous and uh is a phenomenal dungeon master for the

875
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: for the nerds out there, he was my d m um.

876
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: So it was. And by the way, he's a killer.

877
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: He is a killer, like I yeah, the first day

878
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: I saw him in class, I was like, what are

879
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: you doing here? Pat? And he was like, what do

880
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: you mean? This is where I trained? And he is

881
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: an assassin, Like he's a bad man. Yeah, very yeah,

882
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: like yes, you just you kind of don't expect it,

883
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: which is the thing I think that makes him so

884
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: damn dangerous, which is awesome. Um, but yeah, he so

885
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: he was would always impart that kind of wisdom as well,

886
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: where he's like, no, you gotta you gotta do this,

887
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: you gotta do And then I started asking about that

888
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 1: teacher and he's like you and I gotta talk, okay, okay.

889
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's very very very cool. Yeah, he's awesome

890
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: that Tom Kaier is his name, and he he's a

891
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: very special, special person because you know, I like to

892
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: train combative ju jitsu stuff like that. It's almost always physical.

893
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: Most of what I've learned from Tom is philosophical m M,

894
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: which is great. Yeah. I want to go back to

895
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: boy Meat's world for a second because I want it.

896
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: So after you had done a number of episodes in

897
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: the first couple of seasons and didn't see you for

898
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: a long time, we they brought you back for the

899
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: graduation episode in season five. Do you have any memories

900
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: of what that was like to be back all of

901
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 1: a sudden after a couple of years of not being there.

902
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: Do you have any memories of that reunit that that

903
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: graduation episode. I just remember shooting at Radford and being

904
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: like this this is a popular show. Why does it

905
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: keep moving? I remember that being every every two years

906
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: it's a new studio. I was with you guys for

907
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: Disney and then and when they were like, yeah, come

908
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: do this episode it's at Radford, I was like, what's

909
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: going on here? Why can't they just have this? We

910
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: keep getting evicted? Well it does anyone know why? But

911
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I think it goes back to

912
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: like we never felt like a popular show. Like we

913
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: always felt like we were sort of taken for granted,

914
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: like nobody. I don't know. I never even within the

915
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: t G I F line know, we had lower ratings

916
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: than Sabrina the Teenage Witch and all that, so we

917
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: always kind of felt like we might get canceled at

918
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: any moment. And it seems ridiculous now because we look back,

919
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: We're like, there were millions of people watching us, we

920
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: had so many fans, but we always felt like we

921
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: were on the bubble, which is just weird. Um Yeah, so,

922
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean to me, it was part of that. It

923
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: was just like they just shuffle us around. We never

924
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: had that much money, We never had security as a show.

925
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: I don't like that. Yeah, that's weird. I that was

926
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,439
Speaker 1: prior to me even understanding what what TV ratings were

927
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: it was just you know, people seem to like it,

928
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: and it's part of t G. I F that seemed

929
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: to be a big deal to you know, like most

930
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: people aren't watching TV on Friday nights, but they're watching

931
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 1: t t G if some yeah, we had that block.

932
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: That block seemed to be just kind of unstoppable on

933
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: a Friday night. So because I mean this is because

934
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: you've changed so much physically. Do you ever get recognized

935
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: from Boy Meets World all the time? You still do? Okay,

936
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: It's it's it's you know, it's one of those things

937
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: where they have to put it together like a like

938
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: I know who you are right now for whatever reason,

939
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: and I knew who you were fifteen years ago, but

940
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: you were part of my life thirty years ago, you

941
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like it's one of those weird things. Um,

942
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 1: but it is astonishing how consistent, you know what I mean,

943
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: Like it's just always existed, you know, you do. When

944
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 1: I remember when we were doing it, there was a

945
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: certain age range of people who watched the show, and

946
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: it wasn't ever a nineteen year old. It was like

947
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: a fifteen year old. It was never a year old.

948
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 1: And to have to go through the past thirty years

949
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: and experience the different generations that have been touched by

950
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: that show, because it's always I don't know if it's

951
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: on the air now, but it was on the air

952
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 1: for nearly thirty years. Yeah, the same. Yeah, and once

953
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 1: streaming came around and then kind of went to streaming,

954
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: but before streaming existed, it was never not on the air. Yeah,

955
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: which is really wild. Yeah, because you're right now there

956
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: are eight year olds who know of it, there are

957
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: forty five year olds who know of it, and then

958
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: every single age in between, Yeah, which is you know,

959
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: sometimes somebody will say like I loved you on boy

960
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: T World, and I'm like, you're years old. When did

961
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: you watch are we talking? Weren't a live They're like, oh,

962
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: on MTV and reruns? Right, Yeah, it wasn't even MTV.

963
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: Was it like MTV? We were like on the we

964
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: were like an ESPN THEO it was, Yeah, we were

965
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: we weren't even on the top MTV. Okay, we're watching it.

966
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: You are the last person I could possibly ask about

967
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: this mystery that has come up. It's a good one,

968
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: so I've I mean, I think it's just a lot

969
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: of character that's why we're trying. We're dying writer. Writer

970
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: doesn't like the mystery, but I'm gonna tell you about

971
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: it anyway. So when Adam Scott was here, Adam Scott,

972
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: at the end of his interview says, all right, I'm

973
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: going to tell you something. I haven't even talked about

974
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: it about this at all. I just recently told the

975
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: story to like my wife. I have otherwise kept it

976
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: a complete secret all this time, but I'm dying to

977
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: know if Writer, if you remember this story. And the

978
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: story was that at the end of the season, we

979
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: had just taped the last scene and everyone is like,

980
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: whoa high fiving? You know, we're going into Hiatus rap

981
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: party tomorrow or whatever it is, and everybody's like congratulating

982
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 1: each other and giving hugs, and Adam Writer hugged you

983
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: and Blake and then Adam was standing there and Adam

984
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 1: went in and gave Writer a big hug, and Writer

985
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: apparently shoved him off of him, like kind of aggressively

986
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: and looked at him like what the f man and

987
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: Adam was like and then ran and then it righter

988
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: than ran off. I have absolutely no memory of that

989
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: at all. I don't think I can't picture a rider

990
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: doing that. Writer with such a sweetheart and such a hugger.

991
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: I think it's so. I'm a huggy guy, always been.

992
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean, is that one of the things where like,

993
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 1: you hug somebody and you and you perceive, right, it's

994
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 1: all in your your universe kind of you perceive their

995
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: energy not being off, and then it becomes over the

996
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: course of decades this shove. Right, That is entirely possible

997
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 1: that it could have been something small that in his

998
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: in his mind and especially feeling insecure, like, oh my gosh,

999
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: I hugged at the star at the show and it didn't.

1000
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: It didn't it didn't get the response that I was expecting,

1001
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: And it could have been that. But also one of

1002
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 1: the things that I thought of was that I remember

1003
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: you and Blake being especially Blake being very like, like

1004
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: I said, mischievous or pranky, and I imagined that maybe

1005
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: you two did something like grabbed Writer's butt in the

1006
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: middle of Adams hug by the way that could have happened, Okay, right,

1007
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: I mean, that's I think that could have happened, like

1008
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: because because like Adam told us about, he killed you

1009
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: guys like an incredibly dirty joke, and you and Blake

1010
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: were like, you know who would think that's funny? Tony

1011
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: Quinn and like that's funny, and you like so you

1012
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: guys would do stuff like that all the time, and

1013
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: like there's I don't remember this moment at all, but

1014
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: I imagine one of you guys watching him hug me

1015
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: could have like grabbed my ass or something to just

1016
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: freak me out, and I thought it was him, and

1017
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, the first thing I thought of

1018
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: was like, I wonder if there was something going on

1019
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: where that was kind of set up and so anyway,

1020
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: I don't have a strong memory of that specifically occurring. However,

1021
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: within that universe that a million percent like if somebody

1022
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: said this happened, I'd go, yeah, that probably probably that

1023
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: sounds more pile yeah then right or just not like

1024
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: we hug right. Well that so that leads to Blake.

1025
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: The other thing Blake told us was that when he

1026
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: when you no speak for him, when he said he

1027
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: met all of us, he felt like we were all

1028
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: kind of the good pure kids, and you were the

1029
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: two of you were kind of like a little bit

1030
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,439
Speaker 1: of darkness coming on the set. Is that how how

1031
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: you felt when you met us. Look, you guys had

1032
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: to go to school. You guys had people there who

1033
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: were in authority positions. And me and Blake had forties

1034
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: in our trailers, if you know what I mean. We

1035
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: we didn't. That's what we had. We we had like

1036
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: we had cocktails for lunch, even though neither of us

1037
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: were anywhere near to one one. Is that true? Were

1038
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: you really seventeen years old? Man? Are doing that? I'm

1039
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: not going to speak for Blake. I was doing just

1040
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,439
Speaker 1: about everything you could imagine, maybe not on day one

1041
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: of work at the time. We got to the point

1042
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: where I was like, oh, these guys have to go

1043
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: to school every day for three hours and I don't

1044
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: have this, Like I don't have to be here, like

1045
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: I can do whatever. And then when we come back,

1046
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: nobody's got a lot of energy, like nobody very loose.

1047
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: It became so there was I don't think Look, and

1048
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: also Blake had been doing this for a while already,

1049
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: so he he had everything dialed way more than I did.

1050
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: But I was I feel like that identity grew, you know,

1051
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: there was a there were higher stakes for you guys.

1052
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: You guys, you know, by the time I understood what

1053
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: contracts were and all of that, and how there were

1054
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: you know, not right, I don't think ever had a parent,

1055
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 1: but there were some parents. Ben's mom was always there,

1056
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: um and and so it was like, okay, we're now

1057
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: in our best behavior, and then there's just carnage in

1058
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: the trailer, you know, behind in the alley. We're out

1059
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: in the alley behind the building, which is like the

1060
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, the crack alley on your Disney law. You

1061
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: guys were having so much fun though it wasn't super healthy,

1062
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: but it was probably so much fun. It was so

1063
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: much fun. It couldn't have been better. Like honestly, it

1064
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: spoiled me for jobs moving into the future, like some

1065
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: pilots that were multi camp pilots. Uh. After that, and

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01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: I was just like, what are we doing? Why are

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01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: we still here? Why? What do you know? Much learning?

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01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: It's been done? I want three hours for lunch at

1069
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: the bar? What is the six I'm call all about? Yeah?

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01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: I know I remember realizing that too, like after Boy

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01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: met World, like working as an actor is hard, but

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01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: multi multi caam it was the easiest schedule and and

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01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: also coming in for me having have you guys having

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01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: ironed whatever kinks out year one, even though I know

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01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: it was changing a lot, it was already running. Once

1076
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: that machine is running for a while, it's it just

1077
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: knows what it is and they're not nobody scrambling to

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01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: get everybody there. You know. It was like it was

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01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: nice to come in on season two on a show

1080
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: that's established, that knows what it is or knows what

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01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: it's becoming, and everybody knows their part. It was great.

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01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: It was awesome. So looking back now after thirty very

1083
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: consistent years working in Hollywood, like, I just like to

1084
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: have a little list of some of the directors that

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01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: Ethan has worked with, Martin Scorsese, Ted Demi, Todd Phillips,

1086
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: Tony k Tony Scott, Dave that Lynch, Kevin Smith, and

1087
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: Channing Tatum. What are your three feelings looking back on

1088
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: your very first job, Boy Meets World, David Trainer, the

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01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: best guy in the business. Um, there's utter just the

1090
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: fondest memories. Like I I feel like, you know, uh,

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01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: I've been asked many times like how do I get

1092
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: in acting? And I'm like, I don't know, you know,

1093
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: especially now, like who knows how anything works now? Because

1094
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: it's like everything's done like this on zoom. Like, if

1095
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: you guys were doing this three years ago, we'd be

1096
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: sitting in a room somewhere all together. What we don't

1097
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: even do that now. So I I don't know how

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01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: it works now, but I know that, like you tend

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01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: to not get your first audition, and and then when

1100
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: they say, like you're not in the union, you can't work,

1101
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: there's not a backup five hours later that says like, well,

1102
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: we'll take you and we'll handle that union thing. And

1103
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 1: so I've always felt really kind of um lucky or

1104
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: blessed in that way, blessed to be alive today with

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01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: all the dumb stuff I did to my body. UM,

1106
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:13,439
Speaker 1: blessed to have not um turned into a total life.

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01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: You know, UM, maybe have yelled a few times in

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01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: the last thirty years, but but never maliciously, which is

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01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: thank god. UM. And uh, the fact that it started

1110
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: with boy Meat's world has been nothing but make me

1111
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: feel grateful because it has affected so many people, Like

1112
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: it's profound how many people of ridiculously varying ages through

1113
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: the years, from little kids to adults to adults now

1114
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: who said I grew up with you like you meant

1115
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: something to me. As a child. That's a huge deal.

1116
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: Did your kids watch it? Um? I don't know if

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01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: my kids. We we shrive very hard to limit television,

1118
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: like we don't have kids in our We have some

1119
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: streaming platforms. I have told them many times, like I

1120
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: caught them as teenagers watching my name is Earle, and

1121
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: I was like, what are you doing? Turn that off?

1122
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: Like I don't want that plane into here. So I've

1123
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: always kind of like not like seeing myself and then

1124
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: felt uncomfortable with myself in my house. And so they haven't.

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01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: I don't think they have. They might have. I have

1126
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: no idea. I don't as they My fellow co host

1127
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: here will tell you I am happily childless. I have

1128
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: a step daughter, but happily childless. But from everything I've

1129
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: heard about parenting, um, it sounds like you can catch

1130
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: your children doing a lot worse things than watching your

1131
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: own television show, for sure, which I and I taught

1132
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: them doing worse things than watching my But I don't

1133
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: even know. It's less of a it's less of a

1134
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: painful memory somehow, you know, them laughing at you, basically

1135
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,959
Speaker 1: doing this performance to like distract people from actually looking

1136
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: at you. It was a very meta thing to walk

1137
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: into my house and see them watching the show and

1138
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: then saying like, no, it's actually pretty good dad. You

1139
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: know well I said the same thing to Blake, because

1140
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: Blake also hasn't watched it in you know, thirty some

1141
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: odd years. But if you ever feel so inclined, do

1142
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: yourself a favor and watch your performance on Boy Meets World,

1143
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 1: because it's great. It's great, man, you are truly phenomenal.

1144
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: And um, you know. Writer remembers talking about it with

1145
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: David Trainer, that David Trainer specifically pulling right aside and

1146
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: being like, look at this guy. Look at what he's

1147
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: able to do by like your second episode. He he

1148
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: like pointed you out. He's like, this is this is

1149
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: an actor. This is how you need to be like

1150
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: he is, so he's like, I mean, his point was,

1151
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: this character could easily be a joke. You know, this

1152
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: character could easily, as written, be one note. And Ethan

1153
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: is taking everything so seriously and committing so hard to

1154
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: what he's doing that this is like, you know, a

1155
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: masterclass in acting. Watch this guy. Um, And I totally

1156
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: remember it, and I remember realizing it too, which is

1157
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: partly why I thought you were such an old pro

1158
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: you know what, I've never assumed that it was your

1159
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: first job. In my mind, you were just this older

1160
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: genius actor I had to had to follow. I bet there,

1161
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: I bet a little bit of it was just like,

1162
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: don't blow this, you know, ye don't because I even remember,

1163
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: like I have to even today, go like, you got

1164
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: a job, you have to actually put some effort into this,

1165
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: because there is kind of the thing to go like,

1166
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 1: I've been doing this for a while, I'm just gonna

1167
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna show up. And I was not just

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01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: showing up for the world. I was working. I was

1169
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: like I was trying, you know, I was trying. Yeah, right,

1170
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: well it shows. It's it shows, I mean, really a

1171
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: remarkable performance. So thank you for being here with us, Ethan.

1172
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: I hope it wasn't too much of a I think

1173
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: you were being hassled on Instagram about it. You need

1174
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: to get anything. We were like, we are you know,

1175
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: any mention of Boy Meets World. It's it's nothing but

1176
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: pure glorious nostalgia for me. And I'm so glad you

1177
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: guys are doing this because I think that there are

1178
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: so many people who want to ask me questions about

1179
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: you guys, and I'm like, I don't know what to

1180
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: tell you talk to them. So I think it's like

1181
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: somewhat important that you guys are doing this. Thank you well,

1182
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: thank you, And if you'd ever like to come back

1183
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: for a recap, maybe we could force you to watch

1184
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: an episode and then you can come back and talk

1185
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: about it with us. All right, I'll do that. Yeah,

1186
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: I want to watch the one I remember talking about

1187
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: having a grilled cheese in my sandwich and somebody. That's

1188
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 1: something that people have said to me repeatedly, and so

1189
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 1: I need to go back and watch that. I have

1190
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: no idea what it is. Okay, we we will put

1191
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 1: we will put our producer on it to figure out

1192
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 1: which episode that is, and then maybe come back and

1193
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: recap that one with us. Yeah, okay, it's in season three.

1194
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:14,439
Speaker 1: I just got a note it's in season three, so yeah,

1195
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 1: so we will. We will be wrapping this, uh this

1196
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: season up probably around June and then moving into season three,

1197
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: so maybe towards the end of this year you could

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01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: come back and recap that one with us. I'm okay, awesome,

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01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being to see you guys. Wow,

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01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: isn't it so crazy? How I was thinking about the

1201
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 1: fact that he has no memory really of being in

1202
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: Michael's office and pitching the script idea, And I'm thinking,

1203
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 1: isn't it so weird and wonderful and amazing? How many

1204
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: times it has come up that, like, our memories are

1205
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 1: all so different because of the things we're going on

1206
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 1: in our lives at the time, and like the things

1207
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: that were you know, like how it was so important

1208
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: to me that I got this audition for Topango when

1209
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 1: I was and yet ultimately it was just another guest

1210
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: star role, but to me it stood out so much.

1211
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: Um and here Blake, Blake, it was such a like

1212
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: it was such a memory for him, and Even's like, yeah,

1213
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: I have a recollection of doing something like that. But

1214
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 1: you're right, right, or to exactly what you said, he

1215
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: was already doing so many other things, not getting a

1216
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: phone call about boy Meat's world wasn't as high on

1217
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 1: his radar as it was maybe on Blake's exactly. Yeah, yeah,

1218
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 1: it's just so it's yeah, hearing those stories too, but

1219
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 1: I mean things that were happening on the set that

1220
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: we had no idea, but just all these different little

1221
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: worlds were going on these pocket worlds that are happening

1222
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: in this one global universe that was boy Meats World

1223
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: is uh is pretty cool and we're all going, wait

1224
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: what uh So? I think that's I think that's what

1225
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,600
Speaker 1: That's what I'm taking away more from this podcast, I

1226
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,719
Speaker 1: think than anything else, as much as I'm loving watching

1227
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 1: the episodes, and I am and it's phenomenal to kind

1228
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 1: of stroll down memory lane too. Oh, I remember shooting

1229
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 1: this and this is what the character did. Hearing the

1230
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: other experiences of the people that we had no idea

1231
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: what was going on in these little worlds has been

1232
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 1: so eye opening to me. It's been amazing. I mean,

1233
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: Blake and Ethan won't okay, Ethan was drunk yet three o'clock,

1234
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 1: we're going to the bar just a little bit. The

1235
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: thought of the two of them going to get a

1236
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: beer and then going to a movie and then showing

1237
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: back up to do our run through. Were you guys

1238
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:40,600
Speaker 1: in English class two? Can you help me with the

1239
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: math problem? But it's also so funny that he lumps

1240
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 1: me in with that's what everybody lumped me in with

1241
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 1: with with you guys where it was I was actually

1242
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 1: apparently older than them, and we were just so different

1243
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: that the idea was hanging out and going to the

1244
01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: shooting rangement. Yeah, it just never go I don't think

1245
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: it occurred to them to ever invite me to have

1246
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 1: a drink in the trailer, And it never occurred to

1247
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 1: me to ask. You know, we're just yours. We're such

1248
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 1: different people that you kind of now I want to

1249
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: go back and go just once. I want to go

1250
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: share a beer with those guys in the trailer. I

1251
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 1: know the one time you did go in the trailer

1252
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: and they played music with Jenny Lewis, Like, that was

1253
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 1: the awesome day. Yeah, it was a phenomenal day. So yeah,

1254
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: that was man, that was cool. And the whole god

1255
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 1: the story about his dad. I know, I wish we

1256
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,719
Speaker 1: had a different podcast because I wanted to like really

1257
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 1: have a whole conversation about that. I was like, man,

1258
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: let's let's let's talk about this on the on the

1259
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 1: other podcast we have, and then a third podcast just

1260
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 1: to talk about all the films he's done and the

1261
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: directors that he's worked with, and and the grandchildren he has.

1262
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: These kids are Gray's of grandpa. He's a grandpa. That's cool,

1263
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: man And and then okay, so then we're gonna need

1264
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 1: that's four. We're gonna need a fifth just about his

1265
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:57,440
Speaker 1: health journey, because that's a whole another world for him.

1266
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: Um and if you have not followed him and on

1267
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: Instagram and seeing his um his journey, it's staggering. And

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Speaker 1: the people that he's helped in the kind of health

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Speaker 1: world as well, myself included. I mean I was I

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Speaker 1: would look at it every day and I would always

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Speaker 1: send him a picture, you know, kind of hey killed

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Speaker 1: my clone today, and he was always supportive. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was very very cool. That's cute. Well, thank you guys

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Speaker 1: for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World.

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Speaker 1: You can follow us on Instagram, pod meets World Show.

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Speaker 1: We have got merch pod meets World show dot com,

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Speaker 1: and you can send us your emails at pod meets

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Speaker 1: World Show at gmail dot com. And don't forget you

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Speaker 1: can catch some of our season one episodes on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: We are adding new shows all the time, I promise you.

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Speaker 1: It's just that it takes a while to get him loaded.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, yeah, thank you guys for being with us.

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Speaker 1: I hope this episode lived up to all your expectations.

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Speaker 1: Since man, people love Ethan as they should. Boy, They've

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Speaker 1: they've been excited to have him on. So thanks for

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Speaker 1: being with us. Will you want to send us out?

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Speaker 1: We love you all, pod dismissed. Pod Meets World is

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Speaker 1: an I heart podcast produced and hosted by Daniel Fishel Wilford,

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Speaker 1: l and Ryder Strong Executive producers Jensen Carp and Amy

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Speaker 1: Sugarman Executive in charge of production, Daniel Romo, producer and editor,

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Speaker 1: Taara soup Box producer, Jackie Rodriguez engineer and Boy Meets

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Speaker 1: World super fan Easton Allen. Our theme songs by Kyle

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Speaker 1: Morton of Typhoon and You can follow us on Instagram

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Speaker 1: at Pod Meets World Show or email us at Pod

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Speaker 1: Meets World Show at gmail dot com