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Speaker 1: What is up, Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Mets Stuff podcast. Today we were joined with

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Speaker 1: Will Salmon again to talk about the Mets offseason. There

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Speaker 1: hasn't been a ton going on, but if there's anybody

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Speaker 1: who's had his finger on the pulse, it's been Will

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Speaker 1: all off season. Will thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, any time, guys. Always got the Chat Mets with

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Speaker 3: you guys.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, happy to have you on Chat Mets too, because,

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Speaker 4: first of all, just commends on what's been a banner

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Speaker 4: off season for you so far. You've been You've been

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Speaker 4: on the nose on basically every single move, every transaction,

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Speaker 4: every single inkling that's happened in the Mets world. And

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Speaker 4: if anybody's not subscribe to the Athletic Reading what Will's

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Speaker 4: writing on practically a daily basis at this point because

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Speaker 4: the guy's dynamo. You got to get on there and

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Speaker 4: check these out, because that's, let's say, a step ahead

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Speaker 4: of the Mets News. But a couple of articles you

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Speaker 4: put out in the last few days, namely two with

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Speaker 4: Ken Rosenthal where there were some links in it between

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Speaker 4: relative links again links is you know we're using links

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Speaker 4: as a pretty general here between likelihood the Framber Valdes

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Speaker 4: to the Mets. I think a lot of the Mets

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Speaker 4: fans are still very concerned with the team's rotation at

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Speaker 4: this moment, and Framber seems like the most obvious fit.

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Speaker 4: There is there any connection, there is there any relative

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Speaker 4: likelihood to a contract be made there with your feelings

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So with Framberveldez and the Mets, I think there's

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Speaker 5: a decent chance that that could be a connection down

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Speaker 5: reported is they're exploring the trade market.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how long that will last, and I

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Speaker 3: don't know to what end. Of course, I can't predict

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Speaker 3: whether or.

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Speaker 5: Not they actually pull somebody off from another team that

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Speaker 5: looking for, or they're at least open to the idea

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Speaker 5: of the rental pitcher, i e. Somebody who is going

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Speaker 5: other segments within those two as well. You have guys

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Speaker 5: I think think either probably helps the Mets rotation. I

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Speaker 5: would argue that frankly, they may need somebody of higher quality,

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Speaker 5: But as long as I feel like you could put

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Speaker 5: you're definitely better off and you're probably probably something that

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Speaker 3: So in regards to Framberville.

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Speaker 5: Does he fits that description of course right, Like he's

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Speaker 5: somebody who has had a long history of success, and

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Speaker 3: I think with Framberg though, is that there's.

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Speaker 5: An age component to this, Like he's on the older side,

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Speaker 5: just the Mets, but perhaps some other teams as well

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Speaker 5: So if the Mets don't end up pulling off a

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Speaker 5: Not to say that they have one right now, but

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I would say that there is a connection there.

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Speaker 5: It's just not as developed quite yet as I understand it.

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Speaker 1: I know you mentioned the trade market. Right now, we've

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Speaker 5: Well, we did hear that the Yankees were in the

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I think that the Mets they should have

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Speaker 5: I don't know to what extent that they actually were,

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Speaker 5: don't know exactly what the Cubs are paying for this

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just to give people a sense of Edward Cabrera's career,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that they're open to different things that

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Speaker 3: Than that, so as other teams that make those decisions.

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Speaker 5: But I feel like these next two weeks, even maybe

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Speaker 5: That they probably should consider dealing in addition to those

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Speaker 5: Obviously Mark Fientos is part of that group as well,

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Speaker 3: Or listening to as far as offers go.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, that's kind of the group, and from where

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Speaker 1: If you were to ask Mets fans, I feel like

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Speaker 1: most of them are saying how badly this team needs

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Speaker 1: outfield is very incomplete for this team right now. Don't

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Speaker 1: hope Carson benj can fill in at some point, but

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Speaker 1: Mets don't necessarily want him to have to be the guy.

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Speaker 1: They want him to earn that position, they want him

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Speaker 5: In your opinion, My impression was the rotation was the

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Speaker 5: seemingly like the priority, like the trade market and just

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Speaker 5: exploring that for right now though you could only do

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Speaker 5: multiple things at the same time, And also like it's

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Speaker 5: still pretty high up there in their list of things

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Speaker 5: to do, Like they know that they need at least

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Speaker 5: a left fielder, right Like, that's wide open and you

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Speaker 5: just traded not just but you traded Jack McNeil fairly

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Speaker 3: And then in center I feel like you mentioned like

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think Jim Ducat actually a former long

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Speaker 4: It's funny today when we're recording this. On January seventh

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Speaker 2: You were the only one who had Polanco connect to.

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Speaker 5: Well we know about the Mets, or that we should

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Speaker 3: So I don't foresee that changing for whatever reason. I'm

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Speaker 3: So I get why they would do it.

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Speaker 1: In the way that they did with Mauricia and Vientos

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess Biento's is.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure where they're at with it. But we're

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Speaker 5: also talking about players who are out of options, a

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Speaker 5: couple of them, right, So, like there's not a whole

442
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Speaker 5: lot of things that they could do with these with

443
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Speaker 5: a couple of these guys like Mauricio, you could still

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Speaker 5: start in TRIPLEA.

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Speaker 3: They preserve that option there.

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Speaker 5: But I go back to Brett Baidy in just the way,

447
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Speaker 5: the way that he played in the second half of

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Speaker 5: last year.

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Speaker 3: He just deserves to shot.

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Speaker 5: And I'm with the fans who have kind of gone

451
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Speaker 5: back and forth with like they all can't be getting

452
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Speaker 5: like a third of the playing time, like you got,

453
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Speaker 5: you got to give the keys to somebody here, and

454
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Speaker 5: Brett Baty deserves them, so I expect them to roll

455
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Speaker 5: with him at third base, and therefore they should be

456
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Speaker 5: looking for trade partners for the other guys.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just a question probably now of how much

458
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Speaker 4: of those guys can be worth in a trade, especially,

459
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Speaker 4: I mean, you got like Mauricio is the one that's

460
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Speaker 4: always I always find interesting because it feels he has

461
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Speaker 4: really played baseball in three years, Like the way the

462
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Speaker 4: Mets manipulated his option last year, he kind of lost

463
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Speaker 4: a full year after missing a full year after missing

464
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Speaker 4: most of the year, and you wish that happens also to.

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Speaker 2: The right handed first base point.

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Speaker 4: It felt like that bar of Mark Fiento's is something

467
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Speaker 4: the Mets didn't see someone like Kazumo Kamoto, clearing as

468
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Speaker 4: right handed first base option who signed a bit of

469
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Speaker 4: a larger deal than expect at least committed years wise

470
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Speaker 4: with the Blue Jays over the weekend. And then similarly,

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Speaker 4: tatsuim the starting pitcher coming from the NPB, signed a

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Speaker 4: much smaller deal than a lot of people expected, basically

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Speaker 4: a one year, twenty one million dollar proved deal with

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Speaker 4: the Astros. The Mets involved in negotiations with these two

475
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Speaker 4: guys at all, they mostly kind of stay out of them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, negotiations not not that I know of. For those,

477
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Speaker 5: I'm not even sure like what their levels of moderate

478
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Speaker 5: interest in was.

479
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Speaker 3: Frankly with im, you know, they're not alone there.

480
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Speaker 5: Like there were a bunch of teams that looked at

481
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Speaker 5: his profile and said, okay, we have questions about how

482
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Speaker 5: his fastball is going to play, even though he throws hard, Like,

483
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Speaker 5: is that going to be a pitch that he has

484
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Speaker 5: to throw a lot and maybe hitters wise up to it,

485
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Speaker 5: And all of a sudden, he's only given us three

486
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Speaker 5: four or five innings max. And I think that's reflected

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Speaker 5: in the contract that he signed, because like, not only

488
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Speaker 5: was it a short term deal, but like the incentives

489
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Speaker 5: the player bonuses kick in at eighty innings for him,

490
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Speaker 5: which is a fairly low number for a starting pitcher,

491
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Speaker 5: like usually we see those over one hundred, maybe one twenty,

492
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Speaker 5: like that kind of thing. For it to be at

493
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Speaker 5: eighty kind of tells you, like people have some questions

494
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Speaker 5: about this, and so I don't I get it. But again,

495
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Speaker 5: like going back to the context surrounding Edward Carrera, it's

496
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Speaker 5: hard for me to see the Mets bring in an

497
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Speaker 5: unknown like that, even though he does have that potential

498
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Speaker 5: when you have other guys who are unknowns in your

499
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Speaker 5: rotation already, and like you desperately need some reliability, So

500
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Speaker 5: I get the one with you my completely, actually, even

501
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Speaker 5: though I think that there's a decent chance that he

502
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Speaker 5: does fairly well, especially his first year here. We've seen

503
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Speaker 5: that with other pictures from Japan, particularly with Minaga with

504
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Speaker 5: the Cubs who had done well early on, and some

505
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Speaker 5: others as well. But Okamoda is the guy who actually

506
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Speaker 5: thought they could have had some more interest in, or

507
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Speaker 5: should have had some more interest in, just because it's

508
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Speaker 5: on paper a decent fit.

509
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Speaker 3: But again, like they weren't alone.

510
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Speaker 5: With like maybe being a little bit lukewarm about it

511
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Speaker 5: at best. His market was fairly good from what I understand,

512
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Speaker 5: Like he had some teams and that part of it

513
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Speaker 5: was reflected like he's got what was a four year deal,

514
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Speaker 5: So that's pretty good for a guy coming.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so but the teams has some questions about his defense.

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Speaker 5: I know, like a lot of people are quick to say, like, Okay,

517
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Speaker 5: he's better than mir or COMI like, okay, sure, but

518
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Speaker 5: like how good is he though? Like like that should

519
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Speaker 5: not be the bar the bar that everybody's trying to

520
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Speaker 5: clear here, like to compare, Yeah, if you want to

521
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Speaker 5: compare the two players, like, yeah, he's the better defender,

522
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Speaker 5: but like, do we think that he's going to be

523
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Speaker 5: a good defender? Some team said no. So, like that's

524
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Speaker 5: the feedback that I got from clubs around the league.

525
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Speaker 5: Was like when I asked, like, well, why why wouldn't

526
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Speaker 5: a team be in on him?

527
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Speaker 3: That was like the one thing that kind of came up.

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Speaker 5: But you know, we started the conversation by talking about

529
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Speaker 5: a bad first profile, right, So like yeah, that's why

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Speaker 5: I say, like, Okay, he's the one guy who I'm

531
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Speaker 5: like very curious about how he performs and that I'll

532
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Speaker 5: be monitoring, and he's like a guy that you could

533
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Speaker 5: look back on in a couple of months and be like,

534
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Speaker 5: should they have done this or not?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that the Mets are inclined to trade

536
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Speaker 1: any of their pitchers? I know we need pitching, but

537
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Speaker 1: the fact that there is and this is like the

538
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Speaker 1: worst thing you could ever say. There's so many starting

539
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Speaker 1: pitchers in this organization right now, Like what's the feel

540
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Speaker 1: on maybe not even moving like a prospect, maybe somebody

541
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Speaker 1: who's in the rotation already right now.

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Speaker 3: I could see it.

543
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Speaker 5: Yeah, they've gotten calls on that for sure, Like David

544
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Speaker 5: Peterson is somebody that they've gotten calls on. Sangle Obviously

545
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Speaker 5: we've reported and talked about that here even so yeah,

546
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Speaker 5: I could see it, especially because like if you're talking

547
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Speaker 5: about like even adding like more than one, you get

548
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Speaker 5: to a point with the Mets where like you have

549
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Speaker 5: to subtract then like if we're going to add two,

550
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Speaker 5: you have to subtract somebody because there just aren't enough spots.

551
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Speaker 5: Because I actually, and this is reflected in like fangraps

552
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Speaker 5: is like war projections, and like betting odds, the over

553
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Speaker 5: under on the Mets this year, like it' is at

554
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Speaker 5: like what eighty six or something like that, six and

555
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Speaker 5: a half, and the fangraps war is putting them at

556
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Speaker 5: like fifth place right now, like you know, number five

557
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Speaker 5: in the ranking. So it's better than like what people

558
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Speaker 5: give them credit for. But the rotation itself kind of

559
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Speaker 5: lacks that number down. But I will say that, like

560
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Speaker 5: from the Mets perspective, there's some upside in the idea

561
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Speaker 5: of like, Okay, we're gonna get a second season out

562
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Speaker 5: of Clay Holmes as a starting pitcher. We think that

563
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Speaker 5: Manaia is healthy. Now, really there's only up for quote

564
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Speaker 5: I sega, right, that's the only direction you can go

565
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Speaker 5: at this point, and they're looking at a full season

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Speaker 5: of Nolan McLain. So you kind of talk yourself into like, okay,

567
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Speaker 5: like this may not be like a sky's falling type

568
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Speaker 5: of thing. And even so, like you have I just

569
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Speaker 5: named a few guys like you have a rotation in place.

570
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Speaker 5: It's just a matter of like getting somebody else to

571
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Speaker 5: sort of be that anchor to it in addition to

572
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Speaker 5: Nolan McLain, because Manaia is that question mark right now.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I think that like you could see it,

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Speaker 5: it would be more of a question. I think like

575
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Speaker 5: once they add somebody, because then that really forces them

576
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Speaker 5: to look at their rotation and say who's in and

577
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Speaker 5: who's out, and something that will get decided in the spring.

578
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Speaker 3: Training as well.

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Speaker 5: Like I wouldn't be surprised if like this bleeds, especially

580
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Speaker 5: concidering how slow this officerason has been. Like it may

581
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Speaker 5: be one of those things where like just because the

582
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Speaker 5: calendar says spring training has started, it doesn't necessarily mean

583
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Speaker 5: the off season has ended.

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Speaker 3: Like as far as like moves.

585
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Speaker 5: Go, they'll see like a whole lot of like, yeah,

586
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Speaker 5: it can be pretty dreadful in that sense where like

587
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Speaker 5: we're kind of like mentally ready for it to be over,

588
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,239
Speaker 5: but like there's still so much left unresolved that we

589
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Speaker 5: could see a lot of teams still be making moves

590
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Speaker 5: and making making deals even uh laid into late into

591
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Speaker 5: the days of the off season early into spring spring training.

592
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Speaker 4: With that pitching depth of mets do do do truly have?

593
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Speaker 4: While it's a lot of like you know, kind of

594
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Speaker 4: four is five, some six is maybe halful of threes

595
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Speaker 4: at the moment, Plus McLain, we have seen the last

596
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Speaker 4: few years that attrition sometimes is the thing that knocks

597
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Speaker 4: teams down the most. The way the Mets season kind

598
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Speaker 4: of went off the rails last year is the fact

599
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 4: a lot of these guys got hurt at the same

600
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Speaker 4: time and they didn't necessarily have the six, seven, eight

601
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Speaker 4: guys ready to go and step in. With that being said,

602
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Speaker 4: and the way the reliever market has dried up, this

603
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 4: is still a very incomplete bullpen. I'm gonna pull some

604
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Speaker 4: questions from the Met Stuff discord, which link will be

605
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Speaker 4: in description of this show down below, So shout out

606
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Speaker 4: Mets believe it and KU's besides guys like Michael Kopec's

607
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Speaker 4: Ranthy Domingez, Like, do we really finally see maybe guys

608
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Speaker 4: like sprot and Tongue into this bullpen by mid season

609
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Speaker 4: to kind of get their feet more wet and major league.

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Speaker 2: Guy or even past them?

611
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Speaker 4: Is someone like Zach Thornton or possibly even Will Watson's

612
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Speaker 4: going to get Triple A reps this year? Are any

613
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Speaker 4: of these guys that either just debuted last year besides

614
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Speaker 4: McLean or yet to debut in position to possibly pitch

615
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Speaker 4: and relief if the rotation depth holds up?

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Speaker 2: Four part question.

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Speaker 5: There, Yeah, I'll try to knock out here hopefully, But

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Speaker 5: Sprot's a guy that comes to mind as somebody capable

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Speaker 5: of doing that. And like David Sartins has done that

620
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Speaker 5: in the past with the Milwaukee Brewers. And I know

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Speaker 5: people shudder when I say Brewers because it's like they

622
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Speaker 5: don't want to do the things.

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Speaker 3: That the Brewers do.

624
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Speaker 5: But word, yeah, but like he had success with this

625
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Speaker 5: and like and by what I mean by that is

626
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Speaker 5: like Brendan Woodrup did it, Freddy Parulta did it, Corbyn

627
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 5: Burns did it. There were other guys as well, where

628
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 5: you break in the pitcher and he's a multi inning

629
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Speaker 5: type of guy for you, who's going two three innings

630
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Speaker 5: out of the bullpen and bridging that gap, and like,

631
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Speaker 5: look like the Met's gonna use somebody like that. Actually,

632
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 5: last year they could used a lot of things last year.

633
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 5: Maybe if their pictures through more than five innings that

634
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Speaker 5: that wouldn't be a needy either. But you know, you

635
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 5: digress there, and yeah, looking ahead with their bullpen, sure

636
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 5: that could be a spot for them out of spring training.

637
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Speaker 3: I'm I'm not sure if like that's the decision right now.

638
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 5: I think there's still some things left to be unresolved

639
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 5: there as far as like who they're trading from their

640
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 5: rotation and what people that they bring into their rotation.

641
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Speaker 3: But it could flow that way where.

642
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 5: Like a spot is given to somebody like a Sproute

643
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 5: who has shown that he could pitch in the major

644
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 5: leagues a little bit and probably has mastered Triple A

645
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 5: at this point.

646
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Speaker 3: So yeah, that that could be a thing.

647
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Speaker 5: But I still argue that they need some like guys

648
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 5: who are like high leverage guys though beyond that, because

649
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 5: right now you have Weaver and getting ball to Devin Williams, Like,

650
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Speaker 5: I don't know, I feel like there's there's room for

651
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 5: another ad there for sure.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything funny about how the Mets have just

653
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: casually been signing Yankey's players left and right, Like obviously,

654
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: like the Mets fans, that drives them absolutely insane, But like,

655
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Speaker 1: is there something too that or like James even mentioned

656
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Speaker 1: it before on the podcast that like probably for some

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Speaker 1: of these guys like I like New York and I

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Speaker 1: can play for the Mets, like that's another great fit.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's not easy to play here either though, So

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Speaker 5: like when you look at it from like the team perspective,

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Speaker 5: it's like you already know that they've done it before here,

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Speaker 5: and so I think that does that is part of it.

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Speaker 5: Like it has to be part of the calculus there

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Speaker 5: to see and look. And it's a question that doesn't

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Speaker 5: have to be asked right like, and in every other

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Speaker 5: conversation that you're having with a free agent, that comes

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Speaker 5: across your mind as to how is he going to

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Speaker 5: perform in this market?

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Speaker 3: And people will say, well, Devin Williams wasn't good in

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Speaker 3: this market.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'd actually pushed back on that and say that

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Speaker 5: he was actually pretty good in this market because he

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Speaker 5: had the experience of being awful at and actually overcoming

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Speaker 5: that and being pretty damn good. And so like I

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Speaker 5: give the guy a lot of credit for that, and

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Speaker 5: the idea that he actually chose to come back yeah,

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Speaker 5: New York after that, I think a lot about him.

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Speaker 5: So like, yeah, that's part of that. I think it's funny, yes,

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Speaker 5: but like there's also like when you look back and

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Speaker 5: analyze it, it makes all the sense in the world

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Speaker 5: to me because it's a question that gets answered right away.

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Speaker 4: Yeah it Sarn's mentioned that in the now infamous postseason

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Speaker 4: press conference about not maybe not adhering enough to that

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Speaker 4: with guys like Hellsy and Mullins not really anticipating possible.

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Speaker 2: Struggles with the market enough.

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Speaker 4: But will I got one more funny questions you for

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Speaker 4: you from the discord again, Thanksgi for coming on. You've

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Speaker 4: been probably one of the busiest men in baseball media

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Speaker 4: this offseason, so you're finding the time.

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Speaker 2: We and all the listeners appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: But when you're kind of taking in rumors to compile

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Speaker 4: one of these articles or some media availability, like you're

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Speaker 4: giving us right now, how do you kind of parse

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Speaker 4: through what could be real, what could be fake?

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Speaker 2: What's your method of corroboration?

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Speaker 4: Like how is it kind of like national intelligence where

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Speaker 4: you hear a million things a day then you have

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Speaker 4: to kind of decide what can be real and which

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Speaker 4: ones do you have to chase?

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Speaker 2: Just give us a sense of that process for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question.

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Speaker 5: It's a hard one to answer without like giving away

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Speaker 5: like who I talk to ye, But yeah, it's tricky because,

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Speaker 5: like you, there is an element of I think wanting

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Speaker 5: to first share something that's new and revealing and helps.

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Speaker 3: Shed some light on a topic.

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Speaker 5: But like I take a lot of pride in like

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Speaker 5: being very careful about it as well, like I want

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Speaker 5: people to know that, like, if it's coming from me,

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Speaker 5: it's not just because somebody decided to message me and

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Speaker 5: I'm running with it.

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Speaker 3: Like it's been.

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Speaker 5: Vetted, it's been to the best of my ability, uh,

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Speaker 5: something that I feel.

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Speaker 3: Good about being true.

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Speaker 5: Right, Like a lot of this stuff, there's some agendas,

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Speaker 5: there's some I don't know, like there's reasons why people

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Speaker 5: are sharing this information for you, right that like you

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Speaker 5: have to mentally sort it through and double check. But

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Speaker 5: I think that's part of the job. And I think

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Speaker 5: not to go like too much into the weeds on this.

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Speaker 5: But like with baseball media and sports media, sometimes like

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Speaker 5: with like the transactions and like that type of news,

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Speaker 5: we lose the idea that this is supposed to be

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Speaker 5: like journalism, like this is supposed to be like a

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Speaker 5: journalistic integrity to it. That like we should like not

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Speaker 5: just care about the amount of like retweets and likes

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Speaker 5: we're getting out of a transaction post and actually make

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Speaker 5: sure that like no, like this interest is actually real.

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Speaker 5: And not only that, but here are the consequences to

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Speaker 5: the move. Here's what's at stake. Here's like the viewpoint

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Speaker 5: from like both sides A bit as to why it

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Speaker 5: may or may not happen. I think those things are important,

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Speaker 5: and like, those are the things that I try to

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Speaker 5: go after in my reporting because I feel like there's

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Speaker 5: some value to that, especially for people who are reading

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Speaker 5: it to better understand like the club that they root for,

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Speaker 5: as to like okay, like why are they taking this approach?

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Speaker 5: Why weren't they doing this or why are they doing that?

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Speaker 5: And to me, that's just it's more interesting and it's

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Speaker 5: more rewarding frankly than chasing, Like Okay, Joe Reliever has

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Speaker 5: six teams interested in him.

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Speaker 3: And there's definitely a place for that type of thing.

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Speaker 5: And like I'm not I do the same thing if right,

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Speaker 5: Like you've referenced an article this.

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Speaker 3: Morning that came out. It had a line like that

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Speaker 3: for somebody.

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Speaker 5: So like I'm not saying anything out of turn or

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Speaker 5: against anybody else, but like I just love when I'm

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Speaker 5: able to go a step further with things.

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Speaker 3: And the only way to do that is.

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Speaker 5: To make sure that the reporting is strong, so that

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Speaker 5: to me is of high priority all the time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't think we can speak for

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Speaker 1: all Mets fans, but I think we all appreciate what

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Speaker 1: you do and it's nice in a world where, like

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Speaker 1: you said, sometimes there could be alter your motives that

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Speaker 1: we just we get good journalistic stuff from you, so

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Speaker 1: will thank you so much again. Let the people know

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Speaker 1: where they can find all your work. And thanks for

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Speaker 1: coming on mets up again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 3: Always going to chat with you.

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Speaker 5: We'll always have some stuff on the mets on the

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Speaker 5: Athletic dot com as well as natural reporting like your

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Speaker 5: reference with Ken Rosenthal and I'm on x at Will

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Speaker 5: Salmon and most other social media accounts as well is

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Speaker 5: the same.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. That's it, guys. Thank you us so much for watching.

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Speaker 1: in the next one.

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Speaker 4: Peace out peace houck guys, thanks again, well that sa