Speaker 1: What's that at the bed spooky? Hey juky, I'm really
Speaker 1: sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I'm ghosted. I los Nanda's.
Speaker 2: Pa.
Speaker 3: Hey boo, it's me Roz, and welcome to Ghosted by
Speaker 3: Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people that
Speaker 3: I like about the paranormal. It's a listener episode. I
Speaker 3: love these so much. You know you can be on one.
Speaker 3: You know how to do it. You just go to
Speaker 3: your email. You type in ghosted by Roz at gmail
Speaker 3: dot com. You write listener story in the subject line,
Speaker 3: and then you give me bullet points of your stories,
Speaker 3: like no more than one sentence per bullet point. Okay,
Speaker 3: if you're typing out long novels, you know I'm not
Speaker 3: the best reader.
Speaker 1: Just just tell me a little bit, a little peep
Speaker 1: here in there and then and then we can work
Speaker 1: something out to have you come on.
Speaker 3: But also, if you want me to read one of
Speaker 3: your stories in an intro on a show that's different
Speaker 3: than that, you know, type it all up nice, like
Speaker 3: a paragraph for two five minutes or less, and then
Speaker 3: that I will read and write it the way you
Speaker 3: want me to read it, you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, we got three of them for you today.
Speaker 3: Here is a call from a listener in Canada named Lex.
Speaker 1: And this this, Oh, this one's good. Lex grew up
Speaker 1: in a haunted house. Take it away a Lex. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. I'm joined by Lex in Ontario.
Speaker 4: Hi.
Speaker 1: Hello, how are you?
Speaker 5: I'm very well? How are you?
Speaker 1: You just seem like such a nice Canadian person?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: Thank you?
Speaker 3: You're like so sweet. You're just like so nice. And
Speaker 3: I don't know, I want to go to Canada.
Speaker 5: Please come. You're very welcome here.
Speaker 3: Oh that's exactly what I want to hear a Canadian
Speaker 3: person say, that's so nice. Tell me a ghost story.
Speaker 3: Are there ghosts in Canada?
Speaker 5: There are so many.
Speaker 6: I'm a fourth generation Canadian. I've lived in Niagara my
Speaker 6: whole life. My family has always been here, and I
Speaker 6: feel that Niagara is a hot spot for the ghosts.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's one of those like because of
Speaker 1: the water, like the yeah, the current.
Speaker 3: As you know, people say that there's some some kind
Speaker 3: of connection between water and ghosts.
Speaker 5: I think definitely.
Speaker 6: Like I've always lived along the Niagara River Parkway, so
Speaker 6: it's the water leading right up to Niagara Falls.
Speaker 5: I'm just minutes away.
Speaker 6: And I think it's some kind of a conduit for spirits.
Speaker 6: We've had the underground railroad, the War of eighteen twelve,
Speaker 6: It's literally a battlefield in this area, bootlegging history, so
Speaker 6: many things that would contribute to ghost happenings.
Speaker 1: Those ghosts are thirsty. They just won't think that water
Speaker 1: gives them something.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 1: So, So, did you live in a haunted house or
Speaker 1: have you lived in haunted houses or what's the deal?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've lived in a few houses along the Niagara
Speaker 6: River Parkway and they've all had some sort of element
Speaker 6: of gold. But if I were to tell the origin
Speaker 6: tale of my ghost history, we called it the Old
Speaker 6: White House. It's where I was born into. It's a farmhouse.
Speaker 6: My family had a horse farm there. And the first
Speaker 6: I remember hearing anything about ghosts at all was when
Speaker 6: I was a toddler. Them doing renovations in the house,
Speaker 6: and the people who were working there, like construction workers, electricians,
Speaker 6: et cetera, reporting doors, slamming windows opening, things being misplaced,
Speaker 6: and it just took off from.
Speaker 1: There, Okay, right off the bat.
Speaker 6: So the house, it was built around eighteen hundred and
Speaker 6: it had been through the War of eighteen twelve.
Speaker 5: There was a fire there.
Speaker 6: It was rebuilt, and when my parents got it and
Speaker 6: did the renovations is when we started to.
Speaker 5: Feel the spirits.
Speaker 6: But there was two spirits that were like I want
Speaker 6: to say, like the infamous spirits of the house. Okay,
Speaker 6: and yeah, like there was one that we called Patty
Speaker 6: because we had heard a female voice saying that name,
Speaker 6: like Patty in the house. Not just like not just me.
Speaker 6: Multiple people, like guests to the house had seen or
Speaker 6: heard of Patty.
Speaker 5: And she's just how you.
Speaker 6: Would picture her, like she's she's in a victorian white
Speaker 6: nightgown of course.
Speaker 1: Perfect.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: She even appeared to my dad, who is like an
Speaker 6: old school Italian Canadian like ghost start not real type, perfectly.
Speaker 3: Ah, the best, That's exactly who you want to see
Speaker 3: a ghost, right.
Speaker 6: Like Yeah, one night when he was like it was
Speaker 6: the nineties, so we had those alarms that you like, uh,
Speaker 6: there's a motion detector, so you have to like be
Speaker 6: still while you're setting the alarm. So he was setting
Speaker 6: the alarm and my sisters and I had gone like
Speaker 6: we were watching my dog skip or something like in
Speaker 6: my parents' bedroom, but we'd fallen asleep and he saw
Speaker 6: my sister facing the corner in her nightgown, and he
Speaker 6: was like, hey, like what are you doing?
Speaker 5: You okay, like go to bed, and he set the alarm.
Speaker 6: He's like, don't move, I gotta set the motion detector alarm.
Speaker 6: He went on to bed to discover my sister was
Speaker 6: in our bed sleeping and she'd.
Speaker 5: Been there for like an hour. Yeah, so he saw Patty.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about, like how nightgowns they're like so perfect
Speaker 3: for a ghost and they're so flowy and like, yeah,
Speaker 3: people still wear nightgowns, but like there will be a
Speaker 3: generation of ghosts that are just in like oversized T
Speaker 3: shirts like that will just be at Yeah.
Speaker 5: It's millennial ghosts.
Speaker 1: Seriously, who's the other ghost?
Speaker 6: So the other one we call him like the pipe
Speaker 6: smoking man. There was always like an odor of It
Speaker 6: was very specific, like not cigarettes, like a pipe smoke
Speaker 6: or like some sort of cigar or Yeah, so my
Speaker 6: nanny she had said that she saw a man wearing
Speaker 6: green overalls standing outside smoking a pipe like a few times.
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh my goodness, that must be him. When
Speaker 6: my parents did more renovations, they in the wall, they
Speaker 6: found some old like horse racing papers, and a corn
Speaker 6: cob pipe.
Speaker 3: Now, why would you hide something like that in a wall?
Speaker 3: Or why like how does that end up in a wall?
Speaker 3: That's what I'm always wondering.
Speaker 5: For me and my sisters.
Speaker 6: It was always like a Nancy Drew mystery, like we
Speaker 6: were solving Oh my goodness, it's the corn cob pipe man,
Speaker 6: like yes, yeah, And we had a puppy at the time.
Speaker 6: He got the corn cob pipe and he chewed it up,
Speaker 6: and then I thought that he was going to be
Speaker 6: like cursed or haunted.
Speaker 3: He's possessed by the man. See now that man in
Speaker 3: the future would be the vaping man.
Speaker 1: Bab goes absolutely.
Speaker 3: So was it always like pretty nice? Would you say,
Speaker 3: or was it what was the vibe?
Speaker 6: I would say it was generally nice, Like I don't
Speaker 6: know if some things were like residual or I remember
Speaker 6: that like my sister heard once of course, her room
Speaker 6: was in the basement because couldn't get any creepier, and
Speaker 6: she once heard, can you come and.
Speaker 5: Play with me? Okay, yeah, so like friendly but really
Speaker 5: really creepy.
Speaker 3: And yeah, that's one of those things that's very sweet
Speaker 3: and friendly unless it's from a voice that's not connected
Speaker 3: to a body and it's in a basement, then it's terrifying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, unless it's Patty.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: My favorite memory of who I think is the Corncob
Speaker 6: pipemin Is.
Speaker 5: We had one of those like.
Speaker 6: Fisher Price recorders that were a cassette, you know, like
Speaker 6: they had like five colors in the nineties. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: we we would do this like sketch comedy that we
Speaker 6: called Bob Blondie, and it was like, my sister is
Speaker 6: Bob Blondie and she interviews a guest, like a celebrity guest.
Speaker 6: I was the celebrity guest, and she would be.
Speaker 5: Like, it's Bob Blondie.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So we were doing that with the cassette thing one
Speaker 6: time and her friend was over and we all started
Speaker 6: getting like the giggles and laughing at what we were doing,
Speaker 6: and then we heard, like very distinctly.
Speaker 5: A man's laugh, like joining in with us, and we
Speaker 5: all just looked at each other.
Speaker 6: Like, oh, and we got it on the recording. Actually,
Speaker 6: we had a recording of it.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm just imagining this ghost being like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's funny.
Speaker 1: Oh haha. And then you guys all realize that you
Speaker 1: could hear him and he's like what the corn cup pipe?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Okay, this is good.
Speaker 6: My parents used to have because we're right on the water.
Speaker 6: They used to have like barbecue parties where they would
Speaker 6: do like jet skiing. So they're all like out front
Speaker 6: and we're sleeping inside like with our like another adult
Speaker 6: whoever was there, uh nanny or whatever. And I remember
Speaker 6: one time my mom's friend had told her like, oh, no,
Speaker 6: like your girl, one of your girls is up. I
Speaker 6: see her in the window. She's like, is she wearing
Speaker 6: a white night gown. She's like yeah, like yeah, that's
Speaker 6: not my daughter, that's the ghost.
Speaker 1: So the whole family had experience.
Speaker 6: Yeah, everybody and friends and people who did work on
Speaker 6: the house. It was like no denying that the ghosts
Speaker 6: were there.
Speaker 1: So what's the status of the house now? Is it
Speaker 1: still in the family.
Speaker 6: It was sold to a group of like priests, so
Speaker 6: I wonder if they've had any encounters or if they
Speaker 6: did some sort of aging or something. I don't know, fascinating, like,
Speaker 6: I've always had paranormal experiences. I've always lived on the Parkway,
Speaker 6: So I don't know if it's like I'm the problem,
Speaker 6: it's me, or it's a Parkway.
Speaker 3: Why so did you have you had like other places
Speaker 3: you lived in or what happened.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I lived in another place that was like
Speaker 6: close to this property and it was from eighteen seventy nine,
Speaker 6: and there was definitely a ghost of a little boy there,
Speaker 6: like we could hear him like playing and stuff. Even
Speaker 6: when we had like people over, they're like, is there
Speaker 6: a child like in the house sort of but.
Speaker 1: Like what like were you hearing like vocal sounds.
Speaker 6: Or yeah, like laughing and like yeah, oh children laughing
Speaker 6: always fun.
Speaker 1: Now, what's scary?
Speaker 6: Yeah, even like we live now, we're really close to
Speaker 6: the Parkway still. Our house was built in twenty twelve,
Speaker 6: and my husband before like we met, never had like
Speaker 6: an encounter with anything paranormal. And we've had things happen
Speaker 6: here like what I would describe as like Charlie Brown's
Speaker 6: teacher talking like it's like you can't understand what they're saying,
Speaker 6: but it's like, yeah.
Speaker 1: When when do you hear it?
Speaker 6: It's actually always around like like I wake up first,
Speaker 6: I wake up before him and my son, and that's
Speaker 6: the time that I've heard of the most, like at
Speaker 6: like four am and interest or footsteps.
Speaker 3: I mean I've been thinking a lot lately about the
Speaker 3: years and like how old stuff like of course that's haunted,
Speaker 3: but news stuff no, And like it's always a conversation
Speaker 3: that comes up when you're me people are We're always
Speaker 3: talking about this stuff.
Speaker 1: And I just think that like ghosts can, they can.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what year your your place was built
Speaker 3: or what like, there's just there's a billion reasons why
Speaker 3: there could be a ghost. And I think that peop
Speaker 3: are just like old stuff is creepy, so so it's
Speaker 3: easier for us to understand the old stuff being creepy ghosts.
Speaker 1: And that Victorian look and everything. But there's ghosts. There's
Speaker 1: ghosts everywhere.
Speaker 5: For sure, and they like me it seems.
Speaker 1: Now, are you flattered by that or do you wish
Speaker 1: it wasn't like that? I like it.
Speaker 6: I've always been like super interested since I was a
Speaker 6: young child in everything ghosty.
Speaker 3: Well, it's because you've met nice Canadian ones. Yeah, if
Speaker 3: you start meeting some of these ones I've met, they're
Speaker 3: not fun to be around.
Speaker 6: Actually, there was we moved out of that White House
Speaker 6: because my mom had an encounter with one that she
Speaker 6: didn't think was friendly and it wasn't Corncob, pipe Man
Speaker 6: or Patty.
Speaker 1: Who was this?
Speaker 5: Well, she was.
Speaker 6: Pregnant with my little sister, like very pregnant near the end.
Speaker 6: And she was sleeping and she had sleep paralysis, which
Speaker 6: like she's the only person I've ever known to like
Speaker 6: have that experience. But she was awake, but she couldn't move,
Speaker 6: and she saw like a figure at the end of
Speaker 6: the bed wearing like a like a black hooded cloak.
Speaker 6: And she said it was small, but she noted like
Speaker 6: it wasn't a child. She felt like almost like a
Speaker 6: duende or something like that, she thought.
Speaker 5: And then she was like, let's get out of here.
Speaker 1: So that was the actual reason. But she was like
Speaker 1: we're moving.
Speaker 5: Yeah, She's like, this is the last straw.
Speaker 6: I can tolerate corn Cob, Pipemin and Patty, but little
Speaker 6: figure in a robe is very scary.
Speaker 3: Now, couldn't have been Patty. She was putting on a
Speaker 3: hoodie and she was about to go out to the store.
Speaker 3: She wanted to see if your mom needed anything.
Speaker 5: Maybe, yeah, she was, she was going to the Avondale.
Speaker 3: She just wanted to say, you know, I know you're pregnant.
Speaker 3: Do you want any snacks or anything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's cold in Canada. She needed the teeth.
Speaker 1: The hood, yeah, cape and all of that stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get them.
Speaker 3: Wow, this has been great. I think I think you
Speaker 3: gave us everything we need.
Speaker 1: Everything.
Speaker 3: We're always looking for a great you know, beginning, middle,
Speaker 3: and end ghost story.
Speaker 1: Do the renovations.
Speaker 3: The ghosts go crazy, they got names, they've got their
Speaker 3: own identities, and then the whole story ends because it
Speaker 3: starts getting crazy and now it's time for the priest
Speaker 3: to deal with it.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 5: Yep, perfect.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for joining me. I really
Speaker 1: appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much. It was wonderful.
Speaker 3: Thank you, lax. Okay, this next one. These stories are different.
Speaker 3: It's it's a lot of this kind of just unexplainable.
Speaker 3: Not not your most traditional ghost type story.
Speaker 1: But but the really really.
Speaker 3: Good stuff, you know, like like you remember that classic
Speaker 3: story from Gunner Deathrege. We always talk about that story
Speaker 3: from way back in the day. I think it was
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen or something. You can go back and find it.
Speaker 3: Gunner's story about encountering these weird people in a dream
Speaker 3: and then it was connected to a friend that was
Speaker 3: also in the dream, and it really happened or did it?
Speaker 1: Just weird?
Speaker 3: Weird and the best way and these stories you're about
Speaker 3: to hear.
Speaker 1: Are weird but also meaningful. Anyway, let's just do it.
Speaker 1: Here's Alliot.
Speaker 3: Elliott from Cape Cod, Massachusetts.
Speaker 4: Hi, Hi, ros, nice to see you.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you too. These stories? Okay, which one
Speaker 1: do you want to start with?
Speaker 4: I kind of want to start with my sister because
Speaker 4: there's some preamble with my experience with sleep paralysis, and
Speaker 4: that just I feel kind of tie everything together. Okay,
Speaker 4: So sleep paralysis has been happening to me pretty much
Speaker 4: my entire life, and that's where, you know, I started
Speaker 4: to see a lot of things and it's been like
Speaker 4: this transitory experience like it. Over the years, I kept
Speaker 4: on getting used to the sleep paralysis. But this wave
Speaker 4: of vibration had occurred throughout the years as it started
Speaker 4: getting more intense, and so I've I had been reading
Speaker 4: things about sleep paralysis and like actual projection and leaving
Speaker 4: your body, and these vibrations would always kind of get
Speaker 4: me nervous. I was afraid to leave my body suddenly.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, you know, I know, I feel.
Speaker 4: Like we're really just diving right into this. But it's
Speaker 4: like so fascinating to me. But it wasn't until my
Speaker 4: sister died and I'm in her room on her floor
Speaker 4: a couple of days after she died, and it's happening
Speaker 4: to me, like I wake up. I can't move my
Speaker 4: body and the vibrations start happening, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 4: my sister's Curson's there, like she's not going to let
Speaker 4: anything happen to my body. And with that confidence, I
Speaker 4: let this wave of vibration wash over me and suddenly
Speaker 4: like I'm above my body and my body's on the
Speaker 4: floor and I'm just kind of looking around and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I guess in the air and i start flowing down
Speaker 4: to the ground and suddenly I feel these hands that
Speaker 4: push me off of like a surface, and I know
Speaker 4: that they're Curson's hands. Like I'm for some reason, I
Speaker 4: just know I'm with my sister. I'm sharing consciousness with
Speaker 4: my sister, and she's kind of teaching me the techniques
Speaker 4: or to fly, you know. I'm seeing from her perspective,
Speaker 4: my body's on the ground and she slowly starts just
Speaker 4: like take me through room by room. And at the time,
Speaker 4: there was this girl staying with us who is pregnant,
Speaker 4: and Kirsten brings me to her and we're hovering above her,
Speaker 4: and I just feel, I mean, I'm understanding so much
Speaker 4: in this space that I still haven't exactly found the
Speaker 4: right words for. But Kirsten shows me in a way
Speaker 4: like her energy just holds my friend Stephanie, who's nine
Speaker 4: months pregnant, and that I try to leave the house
Speaker 4: just to see what's going on out there, and I'm
Speaker 4: brought back to my body like I'm not allowed to
Speaker 4: leave the house. It feels like and something interesting about
Speaker 4: this house, like there's always My family's very open to
Speaker 4: the supernatural. My mom claimed to have grown up with
Speaker 4: a ghost. I found out a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4: This woman's giving me a ride home, this like spiritual
Speaker 4: interaction at the store and she offers me ride home
Speaker 4: and she's like, I knew you lived here. She was
Speaker 4: like that room right there, I had my baby shower
Speaker 4: when I was sixteen years old, and it's my mother's room.
Speaker 4: And she's like, do you know anything about the previous
Speaker 4: owner of your house? I knew nothing, And she was like,
Speaker 4: the woman who owned this house before you would perform
Speaker 4: exorcisms in this house for people like kind of unofficially
Speaker 4: outside of the church.
Speaker 1: Oh, she was like free lance.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so there's always with this energy to this house.
Speaker 4: And all my friends have said the same thing, there's
Speaker 4: something about this house.
Speaker 1: WHOA.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So do you think that your sleep paralysis that
Speaker 3: you had had up until that point, do you think
Speaker 3: it had anything to do with the house.
Speaker 4: That's a really good question. I'm not sure. Or just
Speaker 4: like my family in general, like my mom raising us
Speaker 4: with this tales of her house growing up and these
Speaker 4: like undeniable stories that she's never shared stories with such
Speaker 4: like authenticity. Uh huh, you know, like she wants she's
Speaker 4: been driving this like a paranormal reality since we were kids,
Speaker 4: and when the paralysis started happening, and the things you
Speaker 4: see in that in between space, I don't know, it's
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 3: WHOA, So have you astro projected since then?
Speaker 4: Not like that. There are times I'll have dreams and
Speaker 4: I know that they're not dreams. Yeah, but I can't
Speaker 4: confirm that I was like in this reality where my
Speaker 4: body's below me, I'm visiting people in the other room
Speaker 4: that has never happened. I don't know that I want
Speaker 4: to or need to experience that again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I get that it's interesting that you couldn't
Speaker 3: leave your house, because yeah, if it was me, i'd
Speaker 3: probably like flee out of the country or something. And
Speaker 3: then before I know it, I'm like, damn it, I
Speaker 3: need to get back into my body.
Speaker 1: And now I don't know how to get back home.
Speaker 4: Okay, which brings me to another story. I'm about leaving
Speaker 4: the country the first time that, like sleep prousis ever,
Speaker 4: really scared me. I was living in New York in
Speaker 4: this farmhouse where behind the house is like one hundred
Speaker 4: acres of sod farm and in front of the house
Speaker 4: is one hundred acres of cornfield and it's the only
Speaker 4: house I'm living with this artist.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but that's terrifying.
Speaker 4: Like, oh, it was so terrifying.
Speaker 1: Farmhouse around corn in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 4: Now if you looked it up on Google map that
Speaker 4: it looks like signs the house and the movie signs.
Speaker 3: So basically, And now I don't know how this story goes,
Speaker 3: but I'm just going to stay up the top. Whatever
Speaker 3: happened to you, you deserved it, Okay.
Speaker 4: Okay, So, so I'm alone in the house the artist
Speaker 4: I'm working for She's in Germany and I'm working at
Speaker 4: the studio and I'm living in her house and I'm
Speaker 4: in bed late one night and I'm trying to read
Speaker 4: a book to help me fall asleep. And you know
Speaker 4: those the sounds of house make says it's settling, like
Speaker 4: pops of the wood or what have you. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: hear one downstairs, and then I'm upstairs at the top
Speaker 4: of the steps, and I hear a pop at the
Speaker 4: bottom of the steps, and then at the top of
Speaker 4: the steps, and then in my doorway, and then at
Speaker 4: my bedside table. So I turned the light on. I
Speaker 4: pick up the book again. I was like terrified because
Speaker 4: my sister had told me pretty much the same exact
Speaker 4: story happened to her at one point. And I guess
Speaker 4: I fall asleep and I wake up and there is
Speaker 4: just this as I'm sure you've heard hundreds of times.
Speaker 4: It's like this presence in the doorway and move my body.
Speaker 4: It's never scared me in this way before, and I
Speaker 4: just feel this presence above me. It feels evil, but
Speaker 4: whatever I will myself to like move, like to move
Speaker 4: my body with everything that it takes. And the next
Speaker 4: morning my brother shows up at this house and he's like,
Speaker 4: got this the sense of urgency about him, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: so a god's been trying to reach you. You're going to
Speaker 4: Germany next week. But I've got something important to tell you, Elliott.
Speaker 4: Like last night I woke up in my room when
Speaker 4: I couldn't move my body and there was just this
Speaker 4: evil presence in the room, and I was like, the
Speaker 4: same exact thing happened to me last night, which brought
Speaker 4: my awareness, like to this reality that there's something to it,
Speaker 4: Like it happened to me and my brother at the
Speaker 4: same time. Weird, weird, right, And it felt like interesting too,
Speaker 4: the result of all of my will to break out
Speaker 4: of this paralyzed state. And then I find out I'm
Speaker 4: moving across the world in like a week. It was
Speaker 4: such an interesting like it made sense to me. It
Speaker 4: helps me get ready to move across the world.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean interesting? Can you tell me
Speaker 3: this story about your mentor Yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm working as cashier and I meet this beautiful tall
Speaker 4: man and he asked me if I'm like a performer
Speaker 4: of some sort and I tell him I'm a singer
Speaker 4: and he's like, I'm going to be back here in
Speaker 4: a week when I come back, I want you to
Speaker 4: sing for me. And that's kind of how we became friends,
Speaker 4: and we ended up hanging out a lot. He told
Speaker 4: me all the stories, but he'd always say, it's like, Elliott,
Speaker 4: I really need it's important for you to know that
Speaker 4: you need to listen to everything I'm telling you because
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be around and in two months,
Speaker 4: so take everything I say seriously and really listen to
Speaker 4: me because I'm not going to be around. And which
Speaker 4: is easy to brush off. It's like, what do you
Speaker 4: what do you mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did you interpret that?
Speaker 4: I knew that he was referencing his death, but it's
Speaker 4: a challenging thing to ask somebody to believe him. It's like,
Speaker 4: what do you mean, how do you know you're going
Speaker 4: to die?
Speaker 1: Was he ill or anything?
Speaker 4: Or no? Yeah, So that's kind of hard to explain.
Speaker 4: And then one day he shows up at my house
Speaker 4: and he's in a hospital Johnny, and he's bleeding from
Speaker 4: the nose and like a little bit from the mouth,
Speaker 4: and it's like raining outside and he's like, Elliott, he
Speaker 4: called me Saffron. He's like, Saffron, I just got the
Speaker 4: hospitals in a car accident, like, can I I just
Speaker 4: left the hospital, Can I stay with you tonight? And
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, sure, come in, of course, And I
Speaker 4: kind of set him up to sleep and then end
Speaker 4: up hanging out with my friend for a little bit.
Speaker 4: And by the time I come back and inside the
Speaker 4: next morning after hanging out with my friend, Roddy's not there.
Speaker 4: And I get a message from my friend the next
Speaker 4: day with this article about him being in a car
Speaker 4: accident and dying like this, you know, his whole story
Speaker 4: of getting hit by a car and dying, which was
Speaker 4: just like did that happen twice? Did he get hit
Speaker 4: by a car twice? Or I couldn't like escape this
Speaker 4: idea that he had like come to me, you know
Speaker 4: in his fall hospital Johnny, And.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so fascinating.
Speaker 4: The really fascinating thing to me is like months later,
Speaker 4: maybe even a year or so later, I'm I have
Speaker 4: this dress and I decide I'm gonna wear it. It's
Speaker 4: more feminine than anything I've ever wore. And I have
Speaker 4: to run into stop and chop at the grocery store
Speaker 4: to get something, and I feel this like pressure, but
Speaker 4: I feel beautiful in it and I'm like, I'm gonna whatever.
Speaker 4: I'm just going to go in and out. I'm feeling
Speaker 4: good though, but also the stress is giving me confidence
Speaker 4: that I don't have much experience with yet. And I'm
Speaker 4: walking through the store and I see this giant like
Speaker 4: person in this flowy two piece suit with like a hat,
Speaker 4: like a almost like a church outfit or a funeral
Speaker 4: fa all in black. And I clock this woman's tea,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And suddenly I feel so
Speaker 4: comfortable seeing her in like her seventies. It looks like
Speaker 4: maybe it's her first time out in public as well,
Speaker 4: in this feminine way, and I want to say something
Speaker 4: to her, but I just want to go in and out.
Speaker 4: And she ends up being right at the milk where
Speaker 4: I am, and I turn to look at her ros
Speaker 4: and she's trying to hold my stare and I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, is that is that my mentor like
Speaker 4: it's almost too much to even perceive. I leave and
Speaker 4: take on, but I'm like, was that Roddy like encouraging
Speaker 4: my wardrobe and like being myself in public in spirit?
Speaker 4: Or is that Roddy? Now? Was this whole I don't know,
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, what I'm saying here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really cool. I've never heard a story like this,
Speaker 3: and I think it's beautiful.
Speaker 4: My experience with spirits is like, sometimes I feel like
Speaker 4: they can come through others.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 4: And sometimes you'll just see somebody and they'll look so
Speaker 4: much like someone you love. But this was so uncanny.
Speaker 4: I was wondering if they had faked their own death
Speaker 4: to transition.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's an interesting angle too.
Speaker 4: It was just so real and yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm a sest.
Speaker 3: These stories are like, I don't know, they're just they're
Speaker 3: different than a lot of ones that I hear, and
Speaker 3: I believe them, but they're just like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: they're just cool.
Speaker 4: Thank you. I think so too. I appreciate the opportunity
Speaker 4: to talk about them. I want to get the words
Speaker 4: right because there's something I feel like, there's real information
Speaker 4: coming through that I want to share.
Speaker 3: You know, Well, yeah, I mean, you're clearly some kind
Speaker 3: of you know, you have some kind of psychic abilities
Speaker 3: or I don't know.
Speaker 4: That's what all these stories in particular I wanted to
Speaker 4: share because they feel like a part of the development
Speaker 4: of mediumship or psychic awareness. They're part of my journey
Speaker 4: of opening up to the reality.
Speaker 3: I think it's great. Well, we have to wrap it up,
Speaker 3: but thank you so much for sending these. I really
Speaker 3: appreciate it, and for coming on here.
Speaker 4: Thank you us, Thank you Alliot.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm talking about. That was just weird,
Speaker 3: but in a good way. Okay, one more for you.
Speaker 3: This is a guest that is coming to us from the.
Speaker 1: New York City area.
Speaker 3: God, I love how much New York I've had coming
Speaker 3: my way after I have NonStop been like I don't
Speaker 3: get enough in New York. Well now I've got more
Speaker 3: New York ghost stories than I know what to do with.
Speaker 3: And here's Caroline, who's got some for us. Take it away. Caroline,
Speaker 3: Caroline and Providence, Rhode Island.
Speaker 1: Hello, how are.
Speaker 2: You, hi, raz I'm wonderful.
Speaker 1: How are you so good?
Speaker 3: I always get Providence in Province town confused.
Speaker 2: That's fair. They're both gay and like witchy and haunted.
Speaker 3: Okay, so that was my next question was is Providence
Speaker 3: gay and witchy?
Speaker 2: I think Providence is gay and witchy? Yeah, okay, I
Speaker 2: think so.
Speaker 1: Well, then maybe I will visit.
Speaker 2: Oh you should rise, ros I'm calling you from the
Speaker 2: back of the queer bookstore that I own here in
Speaker 2: Providence with my siblings, and I think it's very gay
Speaker 2: and witchy and we would love to see you. And
Speaker 2: we have a cat manager.
Speaker 1: You have a manager that's a cat.
Speaker 2: We do. Her name is Penny.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, she's not dealing with Karen's left and
Speaker 3: right talking to the manager, is she?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: Okay? No?
Speaker 2: But if someone asks, we will direct them to Penny
Speaker 2: and we'll help you, you know, with any of her questions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that.
Speaker 3: Who could be mad at a cute little katie cat?
Speaker 2: No one, no one.
Speaker 3: So I have been told that you have a story
Speaker 3: that takes place in New York City.
Speaker 2: I do, rouse I do. I know you've been waiting
Speaker 2: for one.
Speaker 1: Thank Gord.
Speaker 3: That is all I ever dream of, is a New
Speaker 3: York City story.
Speaker 1: What is this story? You live there at one point
Speaker 1: or what?
Speaker 2: I lived in New York for six years, and in
Speaker 2: this particular apartment for two years. From twenty fifteen to
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, I lived in a very haunted apartment in Astoria, Queens.
Speaker 2: And it was it wasn't anything that I could say like, oh,
Speaker 2: that was just the upstairs neighbor walking around like it
Speaker 2: wasn't the upstairs neighbor touching my feet at night and
Speaker 2: stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I hope not.
Speaker 2: No, that's way scarier.
Speaker 1: I feel like the ghosts do like Queens.
Speaker 3: Sure, you know, maybe Queens is a little bit more
Speaker 3: the pace is a little bit more calm, and they're
Speaker 3: able to creep out.
Speaker 2: We all like Queens, don't we rove Queen? Sorry I
Speaker 2: cut you off.
Speaker 1: No, it's fine.
Speaker 3: I think that there's some some tickle monsters in Queens.
Speaker 3: So you were and tickled in your toes?
Speaker 1: What happened? So you move in?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So I moved into this apartment. I had two roommates,
Speaker 2: one of whom was my siblings that I like, I said,
Speaker 2: own the bookstore with now. The other was just like
Speaker 2: a friend who lives with us. And weird things started
Speaker 2: happening as soon as we moved in. Things would go missing,
Speaker 2: They'd turn up in places and made no sense. My
Speaker 2: sibling had Do you remember those like clarasonic face brushes?
Speaker 1: Oh? Do I of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I had a moment where I was working at Macy's
Speaker 3: and I was selling clarasonics.
Speaker 2: They were working at Alta selling clarosonics.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious.
Speaker 3: They're like electric toothbrushes for your face exactly. They're like
Speaker 3: one hundred bucks, and oh, you gotta get it. It's everything.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it still is, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I don't know either. But this ghost was jealous because
Speaker 2: the clarasonic would turn on by itself. This clarasonic has
Speaker 2: lived in multiple houses. This is the only place that
Speaker 2: it ever did that. And yeah, things like that were happening,
Speaker 2: and it would feel like in my bedroom things were
Speaker 2: super weird. Sometimes it would feel like someone was like
Speaker 2: sitting down on my bed or like maybe a cat
Speaker 2: had jumped up, and I would look up and there's
Speaker 2: no one there. And then I'd feel like a hands
Speaker 2: on my knee, There's no one there, And like sometimes
Speaker 2: something fully touched my feet once, and like my bedroom
Speaker 2: was next to the bathroom and my feet were kind
Speaker 2: of next to the door. So I like fully convinced
Speaker 2: myself that my roommate's friends must have like touched my
Speaker 2: feet as a joke as he was going into the bathroom.
Speaker 2: And when I told her that, she was like, we
Speaker 2: were I wasn't home last night. You know, weird freaky stuff.
Speaker 2: There was one time I lived with my siblings, so
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes eins get a little high. We were
Speaker 2: just like having some stupid sibling fight, and both of
Speaker 2: us were like yelling at each other, and I hear
Speaker 2: very clearly in their voice. I hear them yell the
Speaker 2: word bang. And I just stopped talking and was like,
Speaker 2: why why did you just yell the word bang? That
Speaker 2: was so weird. And they were like, you yelled the
Speaker 2: word bang. They heard it very clearly in my voice.
Speaker 2: Both of us at the same time, someone just yell
Speaker 2: the word bang, and each heard in each other's voice.
Speaker 2: It was so weird and like it was inside the apartment.
Speaker 2: You know, it didn't sound distant.
Speaker 1: Now let me ask you a question. Do either of
Speaker 1: you have bangs?
Speaker 2: I didn't have bangs.
Speaker 3: Maybe the ghost had bangs. Maybe the ghosts had bangs.
Speaker 3: They were doing the claarsonic and uh, just looking for community,
Speaker 3: you never know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I have to say living in this haunted
Speaker 2: apartment made me a lot less scared of Maybe it
Speaker 2: is just a lady who wants a fresh face and
Speaker 2: some things.
Speaker 1: Well, so it didn't seem too creepy.
Speaker 2: The thing was really creepy, Okay. I also think it
Speaker 2: would like mess with my alarm clock, and like I
Speaker 2: would wake up in the morning and my alarm clock
Speaker 2: hadn't gone off and it was fully turned off.
Speaker 1: But you know, oh that's shady.
Speaker 2: That just could have been user error.
Speaker 1: Now, oh that's shady.
Speaker 2: It was kind of shady. I don't know. The ghosts
Speaker 2: always felt like a male presence to me, but hey,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe maybe didn't want to be a male presence.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I was like, this ghost was a mistogynous
Speaker 2: who doesn't want me to go to work contact.
Speaker 3: Well, touching a knee. That's very creepy, man, I think.
Speaker 2: So there could have been two ghosts, like a mean
Speaker 2: guy and just like a cute girl.
Speaker 3: So would you say that other people were experiencing I
Speaker 3: know you said your sibling heard the voice, but were
Speaker 3: they experiencing this as much as you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, my other roommate who lived this was kind of
Speaker 2: like a due place situation. We had an illegal bedroom
Speaker 2: basement thing going on, and the one roommate who lived
Speaker 2: in the basement never really experienced anything, which I think
Speaker 2: is weird because basements are really scary. But up on
Speaker 2: the first floor we were like experiencing stuff all the time,
Speaker 2: like dark clouds, in the corner. What Yeah, you like
Speaker 2: see stuff out of the corner of your eye and
Speaker 2: like it wasn't. We actually had two separate roommates who
Speaker 2: live there, and I feel like the first one would
Speaker 2: see it too. She would see stuff out of the
Speaker 2: corner of her eye, and she got the hell out
Speaker 2: of there. She moved back to Kansas.
Speaker 1: She was like, uh huh because of the ghost.
Speaker 2: No, but like maybe, yeah, let's.
Speaker 1: Go with that.
Speaker 3: Let's say that. Yeah, I think that's better for the
Speaker 3: sake of the story.
Speaker 2: I think so too.
Speaker 3: Your roommate was terrified of the ghost and ran back
Speaker 3: to Kansas, Dorothy exactly, Okay, and Ran I love that.
Speaker 3: So you just stayed there for two years and it
Speaker 3: was just NonStop stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I had this like white noise machine. This is the
Speaker 2: scariest one. I was put on my little white noise
Speaker 2: machine at night and I just start on like rainforests
Speaker 2: and there's frogs and stuff, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it would be the scariest noise you've ever heard in
Speaker 2: your life. It sounds as like on the ghost hunting
Speaker 2: shows and they have a spirit box and it's like wamp
Speaker 2: It would sounds like that and it would be so loud.
Speaker 2: And after I moved and never had that problem with
Speaker 2: it again, and it like ran on batteries, you know,
Speaker 2: it wasn't like it was always plugged into the wall.
Speaker 2: It was bad wiring. That's the one thing that like,
Speaker 2: no one can convince me it was anything else. That
Speaker 2: was its ghost.
Speaker 3: So then after that place, you moved to the next place,
Speaker 3: nothing happens there.
Speaker 2: No, I was back at my parents' house for a while, which,
Speaker 2: like I was the creepy kid I grew up there.
Speaker 2: You know, I was the kid that my parents would say,
Speaker 2: who are you talking to? And I'd say, oh, don't
Speaker 2: you see the old woman? They say no, But I
Speaker 2: never experienced anything there as an adult.
Speaker 3: Really was that a recurring old woman or was this yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: I don't really remember, but like according to my parents yet,
Speaker 2: the house that I grew up in was built eighteen
Speaker 2: ninety ish, the Victorian house ghost era, yes, exactly, very
Speaker 2: very ghostly. Also, like you know, raised Catholic, so ghosts
Speaker 2: are just always on the mind in general. And I
Speaker 2: grew up in the bedroom that like had been the
Speaker 2: bedroom of the old woman who lived there before my
Speaker 2: parents bought it, So they were always really freaked out
Speaker 2: by that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, was that lady then?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think as a child they'd say, oh no, no,
Speaker 2: there's nothing there. But like I've talked about it with
Speaker 2: them as I've gotten older, and they were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that really freaked us out.
Speaker 1: What about working in a haunted store? Where was that
Speaker 1: New York?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was in New York on Broadway right
Speaker 2: above Houston. It rhymes with Urban Schmoutfitters.
Speaker 3: Got it, the Smurban schmout Fitters on Broadway.
Speaker 2: Exactly, And that door was just creepy. The backstock was
Speaker 2: in like the sub basement, so you were two levels
Speaker 2: down and it had these big heavy doors sub basement.
Speaker 1: Was there a dom basement.
Speaker 2: Too, Maybe there might have been. I think that was
Speaker 2: the event's department with the dombab.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you go to the sub basement.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I did like packing ships, where I was taking
Speaker 2: stuff out of inventory and mailing it to customers. So
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of my time in backstock, and
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time alone in backstock with
Speaker 2: these big heavy doors that were always locked, so you
Speaker 2: would know if someone was coming in or out, and
Speaker 2: just like I see people out of the corner of
Speaker 2: my eye. I would hear footsteps walk past me, and
Speaker 2: I'd like look out to see who was there. There
Speaker 2: was no one there. So here's the thing about this
Speaker 2: door is that this might be an urban legend. Urban legends.
Speaker 2: There was a bathroom that used to be open to customers.
Speaker 2: But I guess the guy died in the bathroom, and
Speaker 2: port I shouldn't laugh if it's true, and that's why
Speaker 2: customers aren't allowed to use the bathroom anymore. What And
Speaker 2: one time I was just like talking with some coworkers like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's Halloween, isn't that spooky? And then the locked door
Speaker 2: of those bathrooms, I know one has acoes too flung open,
Speaker 2: and all of us just like ran on the elevators
Speaker 2: so fast. It was right next to the bathroom that
Speaker 2: this guy had allegedly passed to weigh in.
Speaker 3: But wait, so somebody died in there, and then they
Speaker 3: said no one can ever go back in there.
Speaker 2: That's what the rumor was. And one of our coworkers
Speaker 2: had worked there for a long time and she wore
Speaker 2: that it was true that someone died in the bathroom.
Speaker 2: I want to keep laughing about that, just so what
Speaker 2: a way to go.
Speaker 1: You know, you never know where it's going to happen.
Speaker 3: No, tell me another one, another one, Yeah, give me more.
Speaker 2: I can tell you about my bookstore that I'm getting
Speaker 2: in right now.
Speaker 1: In Providence, the one with the cat manager.
Speaker 2: The one with the cat manager. And we believe she
Speaker 2: has an assistant manager. His name is Willie. He is
Speaker 2: a ghost.
Speaker 1: How do you get that name.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you how he got that name. His
Speaker 2: parents gave it to him. We are on like a
Speaker 2: historic Italian American block, and Willie was a mafioso who
Speaker 2: got out of line and he got whacked in it
Speaker 2: used to be a restaurant. It's our bookstore as you're now.
Speaker 2: It's the same building, but in nineteen sixty six there's
Speaker 2: lots of newspaper articles about it. He got whacked. He
Speaker 2: was going against the family. When we first opened the
Speaker 2: store about two and a half years ago, things would
Speaker 2: call off the shelf, you know, books were falling over,
Speaker 2: plants were falling over. We assumed it was the cat.
Speaker 2: It's very easy to blame things on her. But then,
Speaker 2: like I said, we're on this historic block. There's like
Speaker 2: crime tours that walk by, and one of them came
Speaker 2: in the store once and one of the tour guides
Speaker 2: told us about Willie Marfio, the mafioso who bought waxed
Speaker 2: in our store, and we were like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: whoa that must be? Who's here? And ever since that
Speaker 2: day when we leave the store, every night we say
Speaker 2: bye penny by store by Willie. And I'll tell you,
Speaker 2: like the stuff has stopped falling over, he still sends
Speaker 2: us signs. So like literally my siblings said, I think
Speaker 2: Willie smooved on. We haven't heard from him in a while.
Speaker 2: I said, will you send us a sign? And then
Speaker 2: every day for like a week after that, our open
Speaker 2: signs kept falling off the door ransomly like he said,
Speaker 2: I'll give you a sign.
Speaker 1: You should put up a picture of him.
Speaker 2: You know, we've thought about it. We should do that.
Speaker 2: We made like an Instagram post. We were like, meet
Speaker 2: our ghost Willie. One time I was telling someone about
Speaker 2: him and I looked up an article and I realized
Speaker 2: that the next day happened to be his birthday, So
Speaker 2: we looked up where he was. We went to his
Speaker 2: head zone, we said hi, and we also visited his
Speaker 2: brother with nearby and his craze Zone was a giant
Speaker 2: book like it was literally a book, a stone book.
Speaker 2: It's a book of life. And that's just made me
Speaker 2: so happy. I think Willie was really into books and
Speaker 2: that he likes our bookstore. Actually, whenever we move he
Speaker 2: knocks the plants over. He doesn't want us to go anywhere.
Speaker 2: Oh will Yeah, I think he and Penny are friends.
Speaker 2: I like to think they get up to stuff at night.
Speaker 1: That is so cute.
Speaker 2: It is cute.
Speaker 1: Well, Caroline, I think you gave me exactly what I need.
Speaker 2: I hope so I have so much fun.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I really appreciate you doing this.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I have one question. Am I allowed to
Speaker 2: plug my bookstore?
Speaker 1: Of course?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're called Hartley's Book We're in Providence. You
Speaker 2: can find us on in. We have a ghost, we
Speaker 2: have a cat. We are here. We're queer. We're not
Speaker 2: going anywhere. Come say hi.
Speaker 1: Oh I love that.
Speaker 3: Yes, people go support local businesses and you know, independent
Speaker 3: bookstores and all of that.
Speaker 1: I'm a big supporter.
Speaker 6: Yay.
Speaker 1: Thanks boo, bye boo.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much to Lex Elliott and Caroline. As always,
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