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Speaker 1: What's that at the bed spooky? Hey juky, I'm really

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Speaker 1: sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: I'm ghosted. I los Nanda's.

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Speaker 2: Pa.

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Speaker 3: Hey boo, it's me Roz, and welcome to Ghosted by

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Speaker 3: Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people that

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Speaker 3: I like about the paranormal. It's a listener episode. I

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Speaker 3: love these so much. You know you can be on one.

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Speaker 3: You know how to do it. You just go to

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Speaker 3: your email. You type in ghosted by Roz at gmail

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Speaker 3: dot com. You write listener story in the subject line,

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Speaker 3: and then you give me bullet points of your stories,

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Speaker 3: like no more than one sentence per bullet point. Okay,

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Speaker 3: if you're typing out long novels, you know I'm not

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Speaker 3: the best reader.

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Speaker 1: Just just tell me a little bit, a little peep

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Speaker 1: here in there and then and then we can work

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Speaker 1: something out to have you come on.

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Speaker 3: But also, if you want me to read one of

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Speaker 3: your stories in an intro on a show that's different

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Speaker 3: than that, you know, type it all up nice, like

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Speaker 3: a paragraph for two five minutes or less, and then

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Speaker 3: that I will read and write it the way you

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Speaker 3: want me to read it, you know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we got three of them for you today.

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Speaker 3: Here is a call from a listener in Canada named Lex.

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Speaker 1: And this this, Oh, this one's good. Lex grew up

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Speaker 1: in a haunted house. Take it away a Lex. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god. I'm joined by Lex in Ontario.

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Speaker 4: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Hello, how are you?

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Speaker 5: I'm very well? How are you?

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Speaker 1: You just seem like such a nice Canadian person?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: You're like so sweet. You're just like so nice. And

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I want to go to Canada.

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Speaker 5: Please come. You're very welcome here.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's exactly what I want to hear a Canadian

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Speaker 3: person say, that's so nice. Tell me a ghost story.

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Speaker 3: Are there ghosts in Canada?

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Speaker 5: There are so many.

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Speaker 6: I'm a fourth generation Canadian. I've lived in Niagara my

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Speaker 6: whole life. My family has always been here, and I

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Speaker 6: feel that Niagara is a hot spot for the ghosts.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's one of those like because of

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Speaker 1: the water, like the yeah, the current.

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Speaker 3: As you know, people say that there's some some kind

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Speaker 3: of connection between water and ghosts.

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Speaker 5: I think definitely.

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Speaker 6: Like I've always lived along the Niagara River Parkway, so

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Speaker 6: it's the water leading right up to Niagara Falls.

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Speaker 5: I'm just minutes away.

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Speaker 6: And I think it's some kind of a conduit for spirits.

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Speaker 6: We've had the underground railroad, the War of eighteen twelve,

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Speaker 6: It's literally a battlefield in this area, bootlegging history, so

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Speaker 6: many things that would contribute to ghost happenings.

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Speaker 1: Those ghosts are thirsty. They just won't think that water

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Speaker 1: gives them something.

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Speaker 5: I think.

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Speaker 1: So, So, did you live in a haunted house or

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Speaker 1: have you lived in haunted houses or what's the deal?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I've lived in a few houses along the Niagara

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Speaker 6: River Parkway and they've all had some sort of element

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Speaker 6: of gold. But if I were to tell the origin

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Speaker 6: tale of my ghost history, we called it the Old

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Speaker 6: White House. It's where I was born into. It's a farmhouse.

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Speaker 6: My family had a horse farm there. And the first

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Speaker 6: I remember hearing anything about ghosts at all was when

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Speaker 6: and it just took off from.

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Speaker 1: There, Okay, right off the bat.

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Speaker 6: So the house, it was built around eighteen hundred and

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Speaker 6: it had been through the War of eighteen twelve.

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Speaker 5: There was a fire there.

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Speaker 6: It was rebuilt, and when my parents got it and

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Speaker 5: Feel the spirits.

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Speaker 6: But there was two spirits that were like I want

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Speaker 6: to say, like the infamous spirits of the house. Okay,

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Speaker 6: and yeah, like there was one that we called Patty

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Speaker 6: like Patty in the house. Not just like not just me.

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Speaker 6: Multiple people, like guests to the house had seen or

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Speaker 5: And she's just how you.

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Speaker 6: Would picture her, like she's she's in a victorian white

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Speaker 6: nightgown of course.

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Speaker 1: Perfect.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: She even appeared to my dad, who is like an

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Speaker 6: old school Italian Canadian like ghost start not real type, perfectly.

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Speaker 3: Ah, the best, That's exactly who you want to see

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Speaker 3: a ghost, right.

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Speaker 6: Like Yeah, one night when he was like it was

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Speaker 6: still while you're setting the alarm. So he was setting

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Speaker 6: we were watching my dog skip or something like in

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Speaker 6: my parents' bedroom, but we'd fallen asleep and he saw

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Speaker 6: my sister facing the corner in her nightgown, and he

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Speaker 6: was like, hey, like what are you doing?

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Speaker 5: You okay, like go to bed, and he set the alarm.

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Speaker 6: He's like, don't move, I gotta set the motion detector alarm.

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Speaker 6: He went on to bed to discover my sister was

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Speaker 6: in our bed sleeping and she'd.

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Speaker 5: Been there for like an hour. Yeah, so he saw Patty.

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking about, like how nightgowns they're like so perfect

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Speaker 3: for a ghost and they're so flowy and like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: people still wear nightgowns, but like there will be a

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Speaker 5: It's millennial ghosts.

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Speaker 1: Seriously, who's the other ghost?

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Speaker 6: So the other one we call him like the pipe

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Speaker 6: smoking man. There was always like an odor of It

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Speaker 6: was very specific, like not cigarettes, like a pipe smoke

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Speaker 6: nanny she had said that she saw a man wearing

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Speaker 6: green overalls standing outside smoking a pipe like a few times.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, oh my goodness, that must be him. When

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Speaker 6: my parents did more renovations, they in the wall, they

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Speaker 6: found some old like horse racing papers, and a corn

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Speaker 6: cob pipe.

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Speaker 3: Now, why would you hide something like that in a wall?

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Speaker 3: Or why like how does that end up in a wall?

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm always wondering.

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Speaker 5: For me and my sisters.

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Speaker 6: It was always like a Nancy Drew mystery, like we

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Speaker 6: were solving Oh my goodness, it's the corn cob pipe man,

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Speaker 6: like yes, yeah, And we had a puppy at the time.

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Speaker 6: He got the corn cob pipe and he chewed it up,

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Speaker 3: He's possessed by the man. See now that man in

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Speaker 3: the future would be the vaping man.

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Speaker 1: Bab goes absolutely.

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Speaker 3: So was it always like pretty nice? Would you say,

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Speaker 6: I would say it was generally nice, Like I don't

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Speaker 6: that like my sister heard once of course, her room

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Speaker 6: was in the basement because couldn't get any creepier, and

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Speaker 6: she once heard, can you come and.

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Speaker 5: Play with me? Okay, yeah, so like friendly but really

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Speaker 3: And yeah, that's one of those things that's very sweet

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Speaker 5: Yeah, unless it's Patty.

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Speaker 6: My favorite memory of who I think is the Corncob

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Speaker 5: We had one of those like.

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Speaker 6: Fisher Price recorders that were a cassette, you know, like

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Speaker 6: called Bob Blondie, and it was like, my sister is

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Speaker 6: Bob Blondie and she interviews a guest, like a celebrity guest.

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Speaker 6: I was the celebrity guest, and she would be.

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Speaker 5: Like, it's Bob Blondie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So we were doing that with the cassette thing one

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Speaker 6: time and her friend was over and we all started

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Speaker 6: Like, oh, and we got it on the recording. Actually,

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Speaker 6: we had a recording of it.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm just imagining this ghost being like, oh,

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Speaker 3: that's funny.

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Speaker 1: Oh haha. And then you guys all realize that you

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Speaker 1: could hear him and he's like what the corn cup pipe?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Okay, this is good.

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Speaker 6: My parents used to have because we're right on the water.

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Speaker 6: They used to have like barbecue parties where they would

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Speaker 6: do like jet skiing. So they're all like out front

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Speaker 6: one time my mom's friend had told her like, oh, no,

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Speaker 6: like your girl, one of your girls is up. I

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Speaker 6: a white night gown. She's like yeah, like yeah, that's

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Speaker 6: not my daughter, that's the ghost.

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Speaker 1: So the whole family had experience.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, everybody and friends and people who did work on

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Speaker 6: the house. It was like no denying that the ghosts

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Speaker 1: So what's the status of the house now? Is it

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Speaker 6: It was sold to a group of like priests, so

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Speaker 6: I wonder if they've had any encounters or if they

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Speaker 6: did some sort of aging or something. I don't know, fascinating, like,

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Speaker 6: I've always had paranormal experiences. I've always lived on the Parkway,

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Speaker 6: So I don't know if it's like I'm the problem,

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Speaker 3: Why so did you have you had like other places

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I lived in another place that was like

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Speaker 6: and there was definitely a ghost of a little boy there,

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Speaker 6: like we could hear him like playing and stuff. Even

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Speaker 6: when we had like people over, they're like, is there

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Speaker 6: a child like in the house sort of but.

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Speaker 1: Like what like were you hearing like vocal sounds.

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Speaker 6: Or yeah, like laughing and like yeah, oh children laughing

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Speaker 6: always fun.

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Speaker 1: Now, what's scary?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, even like we live now, we're really close to

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Speaker 6: the Parkway still. Our house was built in twenty twelve,

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Speaker 6: and my husband before like we met, never had like

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Speaker 6: an encounter with anything paranormal. And we've had things happen

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Speaker 6: here like what I would describe as like Charlie Brown's

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Speaker 6: but it's like, yeah.

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Speaker 6: It's actually always around like like I wake up first,

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Speaker 6: I wake up before him and my son, and that's

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Speaker 1: And I just think that like ghosts can, they can.

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Speaker 1: And that Victorian look and everything. But there's ghosts. There's

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Speaker 5: For sure, and they like me it seems.

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Speaker 1: Now, are you flattered by that or do you wish

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Speaker 6: I've always been like super interested since I was a

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Speaker 3: Well, it's because you've met nice Canadian ones. Yeah, if

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Speaker 6: Actually, there was we moved out of that White House

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Speaker 5: Well, she was.

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Speaker 5: And then she was like, let's get out of here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, She's like, this is the last straw.

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Speaker 3: Now, couldn't have been Patty. She was putting on a

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Speaker 5: Maybe, yeah, she was, she was going to the Avondale.

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Speaker 3: She just wanted to say, you know, I know you're pregnant.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's cold in Canada. She needed the teeth.

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Speaker 1: The hood, yeah, cape and all of that stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I get them.

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Speaker 3: Wow, this has been great. I think I think you

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Speaker 3: gave us everything we need.

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Speaker 1: Everything.

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Speaker 3: We're always looking for a great you know, beginning, middle,

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Speaker 1: Do the renovations.

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Speaker 3: The ghosts go crazy, they got names, they've got their

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 5: Yep, perfect.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for joining me. I really

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much. It was wonderful.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, lax. Okay, this next one. These stories are different.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a lot of this kind of just unexplainable.

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Speaker 1: But but the really really.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, you know, like like you remember that classic

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Speaker 3: story from Gunner Deathrege. We always talk about that story

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Speaker 3: Gunner's story about encountering these weird people in a dream

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Speaker 1: Just weird?

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Speaker 3: Weird and the best way and these stories you're about

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Speaker 1: Are weird but also meaningful. Anyway, let's just do it.

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Speaker 1: Here's Alliot.

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Speaker 3: Elliott from Cape Cod, Massachusetts.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Hi, ros, nice to see you.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you too. These stories? Okay, which one

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Speaker 4: I kind of want to start with my sister because

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Speaker 4: there's some preamble with my experience with sleep paralysis, and

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Speaker 4: that just I feel kind of tie everything together. Okay,

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Speaker 4: So sleep paralysis has been happening to me pretty much

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Speaker 4: to see a lot of things and it's been like

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, you know, I know, I feel.

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Speaker 4: Like we're really just diving right into this. But it's

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Speaker 4: that they're Curson's hands. Like I'm for some reason, I

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Speaker 4: just know I'm with my sister. I'm sharing consciousness with

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Speaker 4: like her energy just holds my friend Stephanie, who's nine

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Speaker 4: This woman's giving me a ride home, this like spiritual

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Speaker 4: And she's like, do you know anything about the previous

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so there's always with this energy to this house.

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Speaker 4: And all my friends have said the same thing, there's

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Speaker 1: WHOA.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So do you think that your sleep paralysis that

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Speaker 4: That's a really good question. I'm not sure. Or just

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Speaker 3: WHOA, So have you astro projected since then?

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Speaker 4: Not like that. There are times I'll have dreams and

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Speaker 4: that has never happened. I don't know that I want

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I get that it's interesting that you couldn't

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Speaker 1: And now I don't know how to get back home.

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Speaker 4: Okay, which brings me to another story. I'm about leaving

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Speaker 4: this farmhouse where behind the house is like one hundred

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but that's terrifying.

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Speaker 3: So basically, And now I don't know how this story goes,

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Speaker 4: Okay, So, so I'm alone in the house the artist

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Speaker 4: my awareness, like to this reality that there's something to it,

445
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 4: Like it happened to me and my brother at the

446
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 4: same time. Weird, weird, right, And it felt like interesting too,

447
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 4: the result of all of my will to break out

448
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 4: of this paralyzed state. And then I find out I'm

449
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 4: moving across the world in like a week. It was

450
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 4: such an interesting like it made sense to me. It

451
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 4: helps me get ready to move across the world.

452
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 3: You know what I mean interesting? Can you tell me

453
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 3: this story about your mentor Yeah.

454
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 4: I'm working as cashier and I meet this beautiful tall

455
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 4: man and he asked me if I'm like a performer

456
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 4: of some sort and I tell him I'm a singer

457
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 4: and he's like, I'm going to be back here in

458
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 4: a week when I come back, I want you to

459
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 4: sing for me. And that's kind of how we became friends,

460
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 4: and we ended up hanging out a lot. He told

461
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 4: me all the stories, but he'd always say, it's like, Elliott,

462
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 4: I really need it's important for you to know that

463
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 4: you need to listen to everything I'm telling you because

464
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be around and in two months,

465
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 4: so take everything I say seriously and really listen to

466
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 4: me because I'm not going to be around. And which

467
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 4: is easy to brush off. It's like, what do you

468
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 4: what do you mean?

469
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did you interpret that?

470
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 4: I knew that he was referencing his death, but it's

471
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 4: a challenging thing to ask somebody to believe him. It's like,

472
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 4: what do you mean, how do you know you're going

473
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 4: to die?

474
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: Was he ill or anything?

475
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 4: Or no? Yeah, So that's kind of hard to explain.

476
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 4: And then one day he shows up at my house

477
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 4: and he's in a hospital Johnny, and he's bleeding from

478
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 4: the nose and like a little bit from the mouth,

479
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 4: and it's like raining outside and he's like, Elliott, he

480
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 4: called me Saffron. He's like, Saffron, I just got the

481
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 4: hospitals in a car accident, like, can I I just

482
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,239
Speaker 4: left the hospital, Can I stay with you tonight? And

483
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, sure, come in, of course, And I

484
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 4: kind of set him up to sleep and then end

485
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 4: up hanging out with my friend for a little bit.

486
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 4: And by the time I come back and inside the

487
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 4: next morning after hanging out with my friend, Roddy's not there.

488
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 4: And I get a message from my friend the next

489
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 4: day with this article about him being in a car

490
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 4: accident and dying like this, you know, his whole story

491
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 4: of getting hit by a car and dying, which was

492
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 4: just like did that happen twice? Did he get hit

493
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 4: by a car twice? Or I couldn't like escape this

494
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 4: idea that he had like come to me, you know

495
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 4: in his fall hospital Johnny, And.

496
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so fascinating.

497
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 4: The really fascinating thing to me is like months later,

498
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 4: maybe even a year or so later, I'm I have

499
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 4: this dress and I decide I'm gonna wear it. It's

500
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 4: more feminine than anything I've ever wore. And I have

501
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 4: to run into stop and chop at the grocery store

502
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 4: to get something, and I feel this like pressure, but

503
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 4: I feel beautiful in it and I'm like, I'm gonna whatever.

504
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 4: I'm just going to go in and out. I'm feeling

505
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 4: good though, but also the stress is giving me confidence

506
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 4: that I don't have much experience with yet. And I'm

507
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 4: walking through the store and I see this giant like

508
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 4: person in this flowy two piece suit with like a hat,

509
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 4: like a almost like a church outfit or a funeral

510
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 4: fa all in black. And I clock this woman's tea,

511
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And suddenly I feel so

512
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 4: comfortable seeing her in like her seventies. It looks like

513
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 4: maybe it's her first time out in public as well,

514
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 4: in this feminine way, and I want to say something

515
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 4: to her, but I just want to go in and out.

516
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 4: And she ends up being right at the milk where

517
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 4: I am, and I turn to look at her ros

518
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 4: and she's trying to hold my stare and I'm like,

519
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 4: oh my god, is that is that my mentor like

520
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 4: it's almost too much to even perceive. I leave and

521
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 4: take on, but I'm like, was that Roddy like encouraging

522
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 4: my wardrobe and like being myself in public in spirit?

523
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 4: Or is that Roddy? Now? Was this whole I don't know,

524
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, what I'm saying here.

525
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really cool. I've never heard a story like this,

526
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 3: and I think it's beautiful.

527
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 4: My experience with spirits is like, sometimes I feel like

528
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 4: they can come through others.

529
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally.

530
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 4: And sometimes you'll just see somebody and they'll look so

531
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 4: much like someone you love. But this was so uncanny.

532
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 4: I was wondering if they had faked their own death

533
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 4: to transition.

534
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: Okay, that's an interesting angle too.

535
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 4: It was just so real and yeah.

536
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: I'm a sest.

537
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 3: These stories are like, I don't know, they're just they're

538
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 3: different than a lot of ones that I hear, and

539
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: I believe them, but they're just like, I don't know,

540
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 3: they're just cool.

541
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 4: Thank you. I think so too. I appreciate the opportunity

542
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 4: to talk about them. I want to get the words

543
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 4: right because there's something I feel like, there's real information

544
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 4: coming through that I want to share.

545
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: You know, Well, yeah, I mean, you're clearly some kind

546
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: of you know, you have some kind of psychic abilities

547
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: or I don't know.

548
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 4: That's what all these stories in particular I wanted to

549
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 4: share because they feel like a part of the development

550
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 4: of mediumship or psychic awareness. They're part of my journey

551
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 4: of opening up to the reality.

552
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 3: I think it's great. Well, we have to wrap it up,

553
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: but thank you so much for sending these. I really

554
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 3: appreciate it, and for coming on here.

555
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 4: Thank you us, Thank you Alliot.

556
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 3: You see what I'm talking about. That was just weird,

557
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: but in a good way. Okay, one more for you.

558
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: This is a guest that is coming to us from the.

559
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: New York City area.

560
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: God, I love how much New York I've had coming

561
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: my way after I have NonStop been like I don't

562
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 3: get enough in New York. Well now I've got more

563
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 3: New York ghost stories than I know what to do with.

564
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 3: And here's Caroline, who's got some for us. Take it away. Caroline,

565
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 3: Caroline and Providence, Rhode Island.

566
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: Hello, how are.

567
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: You, hi, raz I'm wonderful.

568
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: How are you so good?

569
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 3: I always get Providence in Province town confused.

570
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: That's fair. They're both gay and like witchy and haunted.

571
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 3: Okay, so that was my next question was is Providence

572
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: gay and witchy?

573
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 2: I think Providence is gay and witchy? Yeah, okay, I

574
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: think so.

575
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: Well, then maybe I will visit.

576
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: Oh you should rise, ros I'm calling you from the

577
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: back of the queer bookstore that I own here in

578
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: Providence with my siblings, and I think it's very gay

579
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: and witchy and we would love to see you. And

580
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: we have a cat manager.

581
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 1: You have a manager that's a cat.

582
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: We do. Her name is Penny.

583
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 3: Oh my god, she's not dealing with Karen's left and

584
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 3: right talking to the manager, is she?

585
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 5: No?

586
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 4: Okay? No?

587
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: But if someone asks, we will direct them to Penny

588
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: and we'll help you, you know, with any of her questions.

589
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that.

590
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: Who could be mad at a cute little katie cat?

591
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: No one, no one.

592
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: So I have been told that you have a story

593
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 3: that takes place in New York City.

594
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: I do, rouse I do. I know you've been waiting

595
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: for one.

596
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: Thank Gord.

597
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 3: That is all I ever dream of, is a New

598
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 3: York City story.

599
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: What is this story? You live there at one point

600
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: or what?

601
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: I lived in New York for six years, and in

602
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: this particular apartment for two years. From twenty fifteen to

603
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, I lived in a very haunted apartment in Astoria, Queens.

604
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: And it was it wasn't anything that I could say like, oh,

605
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: that was just the upstairs neighbor walking around like it

606
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: wasn't the upstairs neighbor touching my feet at night and

607
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: stuff like that.

608
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: I hope not.

609
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: No, that's way scarier.

610
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: I feel like the ghosts do like Queens.

611
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 3: Sure, you know, maybe Queens is a little bit more

612
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: the pace is a little bit more calm, and they're

613
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 3: able to creep out.

614
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: We all like Queens, don't we rove Queen? Sorry I

615
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: cut you off.

616
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: No, it's fine.

617
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: I think that there's some some tickle monsters in Queens.

618
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 3: So you were and tickled in your toes?

619
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: What happened? So you move in?

620
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? So I moved into this apartment. I had two roommates,

621
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: one of whom was my siblings that I like, I said,

622
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: own the bookstore with now. The other was just like

623
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: a friend who lives with us. And weird things started

624
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: happening as soon as we moved in. Things would go missing,

625
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: They'd turn up in places and made no sense. My

626
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 2: sibling had Do you remember those like clarasonic face brushes?

627
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: Oh? Do I of course.

628
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

629
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 3: I had a moment where I was working at Macy's

630
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 3: and I was selling clarasonics.

631
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: They were working at Alta selling clarosonics.

632
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: That's hilarious.

633
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: They're like electric toothbrushes for your face exactly. They're like

634
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 3: one hundred bucks, and oh, you gotta get it. It's everything.

635
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 3: I don't know if it still is, I'm not sure.

636
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: I don't know either. But this ghost was jealous because

637
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: the clarasonic would turn on by itself. This clarasonic has

638
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: lived in multiple houses. This is the only place that

639
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 2: it ever did that. And yeah, things like that were happening,

640
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: and it would feel like in my bedroom things were

641
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: super weird. Sometimes it would feel like someone was like

642
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 2: sitting down on my bed or like maybe a cat

643
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: had jumped up, and I would look up and there's

644
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 2: no one there. And then I'd feel like a hands

645
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: on my knee, There's no one there, And like sometimes

646
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: something fully touched my feet once, and like my bedroom

647
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: was next to the bathroom and my feet were kind

648
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: of next to the door. So I like fully convinced

649
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: myself that my roommate's friends must have like touched my

650
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: feet as a joke as he was going into the bathroom.

651
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: And when I told her that, she was like, we

652
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 2: were I wasn't home last night. You know, weird freaky stuff.

653
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: There was one time I lived with my siblings, so

654
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,479
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes eins get a little high. We were

655
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: just like having some stupid sibling fight, and both of

656
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: us were like yelling at each other, and I hear

657
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: very clearly in their voice. I hear them yell the

658
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: word bang. And I just stopped talking and was like,

659
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: why why did you just yell the word bang? That

660
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: was so weird. And they were like, you yelled the

661
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: word bang. They heard it very clearly in my voice.

662
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: Both of us at the same time, someone just yell

663
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: the word bang, and each heard in each other's voice.

664
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: It was so weird and like it was inside the apartment.

665
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 2: You know, it didn't sound distant.

666
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: Now let me ask you a question. Do either of

667
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: you have bangs?

668
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: I didn't have bangs.

669
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 3: Maybe the ghost had bangs. Maybe the ghosts had bangs.

670
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 3: They were doing the claarsonic and uh, just looking for community,

671
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 3: you never know.

672
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I have to say living in this haunted

673
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: apartment made me a lot less scared of Maybe it

674
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: is just a lady who wants a fresh face and

675
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: some things.

676
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: Well, so it didn't seem too creepy.

677
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: The thing was really creepy, Okay. I also think it

678
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: would like mess with my alarm clock, and like I

679
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: would wake up in the morning and my alarm clock

680
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: hadn't gone off and it was fully turned off.

681
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: But you know, oh that's shady.

682
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: That just could have been user error.

683
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: Now, oh that's shady.

684
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: It was kind of shady. I don't know. The ghosts

685
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: always felt like a male presence to me, but hey,

686
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: you know, maybe maybe didn't want to be a male presence.

687
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: But anyway, I was like, this ghost was a mistogynous

688
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 2: who doesn't want me to go to work contact.

689
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 3: Well, touching a knee. That's very creepy, man, I think.

690
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: So there could have been two ghosts, like a mean

691
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: guy and just like a cute girl.

692
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 3: So would you say that other people were experiencing I

693
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 3: know you said your sibling heard the voice, but were

694
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 3: they experiencing this as much as you?

695
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, my other roommate who lived this was kind of

696
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: like a due place situation. We had an illegal bedroom

697
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: basement thing going on, and the one roommate who lived

698
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: in the basement never really experienced anything, which I think

699
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: is weird because basements are really scary. But up on

700
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: the first floor we were like experiencing stuff all the time,

701
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: like dark clouds, in the corner. What Yeah, you like

702
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: see stuff out of the corner of your eye and

703
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: like it wasn't. We actually had two separate roommates who

704
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 2: live there, and I feel like the first one would

705
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 2: see it too. She would see stuff out of the

706
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: corner of her eye, and she got the hell out

707
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 2: of there. She moved back to Kansas.

708
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: She was like, uh huh because of the ghost.

709
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 2: No, but like maybe, yeah, let's.

710
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: Go with that.

711
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 3: Let's say that. Yeah, I think that's better for the

712
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: sake of the story.

713
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: I think so too.

714
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 3: Your roommate was terrified of the ghost and ran back

715
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: to Kansas, Dorothy exactly, Okay, and Ran I love that.

716
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: So you just stayed there for two years and it

717
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 3: was just NonStop stuff.

718
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 6: Yeah.

719
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: I had this like white noise machine. This is the

720
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: scariest one. I was put on my little white noise

721
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 2: machine at night and I just start on like rainforests

722
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: and there's frogs and stuff, and then all of a sudden,

723
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: it would be the scariest noise you've ever heard in

724
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: your life. It sounds as like on the ghost hunting

725
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 2: shows and they have a spirit box and it's like wamp

726
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: It would sounds like that and it would be so loud.

727
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: And after I moved and never had that problem with

728
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: it again, and it like ran on batteries, you know,

729
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: it wasn't like it was always plugged into the wall.

730
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: It was bad wiring. That's the one thing that like,

731
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: no one can convince me it was anything else. That

732
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: was its ghost.

733
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 3: So then after that place, you moved to the next place,

734
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: nothing happens there.

735
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 2: No, I was back at my parents' house for a while, which,

736
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 2: like I was the creepy kid I grew up there.

737
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: You know, I was the kid that my parents would say,

738
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 2: who are you talking to? And I'd say, oh, don't

739
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: you see the old woman? They say no, But I

740
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: never experienced anything there as an adult.

741
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: Really was that a recurring old woman or was this yeah, okay.

742
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: I don't really remember, but like according to my parents yet,

743
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: the house that I grew up in was built eighteen

744
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: ninety ish, the Victorian house ghost era, yes, exactly, very

745
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: very ghostly. Also, like you know, raised Catholic, so ghosts

746
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: are just always on the mind in general. And I

747
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: grew up in the bedroom that like had been the

748
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: bedroom of the old woman who lived there before my

749
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 2: parents bought it, So they were always really freaked out

750
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: by that.

751
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, was that lady then?

752
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think as a child they'd say, oh no, no,

753
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 2: there's nothing there. But like I've talked about it with

754
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: them as I've gotten older, and they were like, yeah,

755
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 2: that really freaked us out.

756
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: What about working in a haunted store? Where was that

757
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: New York?

758
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was in New York on Broadway right

759
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 2: above Houston. It rhymes with Urban Schmoutfitters.

760
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 3: Got it, the Smurban schmout Fitters on Broadway.

761
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 2: Exactly, And that door was just creepy. The backstock was

762
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 2: in like the sub basement, so you were two levels

763
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 2: down and it had these big heavy doors sub basement.

764
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: Was there a dom basement.

765
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: Too, Maybe there might have been. I think that was

766
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 2: the event's department with the dombab.

767
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: Okay, so you go to the sub basement.

768
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. I did like packing ships, where I was taking

769
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 2: stuff out of inventory and mailing it to customers. So

770
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of my time in backstock, and

771
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time alone in backstock with

772
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: these big heavy doors that were always locked, so you

773
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: would know if someone was coming in or out, and

774
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 2: just like I see people out of the corner of

775
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: my eye. I would hear footsteps walk past me, and

776
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 2: I'd like look out to see who was there. There

777
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: was no one there. So here's the thing about this

778
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: door is that this might be an urban legend. Urban legends.

779
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: There was a bathroom that used to be open to customers.

780
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 2: But I guess the guy died in the bathroom, and

781
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 2: port I shouldn't laugh if it's true, and that's why

782
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 2: customers aren't allowed to use the bathroom anymore. What And

783
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: one time I was just like talking with some coworkers like, oh,

784
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: it's Halloween, isn't that spooky? And then the locked door

785
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: of those bathrooms, I know one has acoes too flung open,

786
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: and all of us just like ran on the elevators

787
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: so fast. It was right next to the bathroom that

788
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: this guy had allegedly passed to weigh in.

789
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 3: But wait, so somebody died in there, and then they

790
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 3: said no one can ever go back in there.

791
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 2: That's what the rumor was. And one of our coworkers

792
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 2: had worked there for a long time and she wore

793
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 2: that it was true that someone died in the bathroom.

794
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: I want to keep laughing about that, just so what

795
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: a way to go.

796
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: You know, you never know where it's going to happen.

797
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: No, tell me another one, another one, Yeah, give me more.

798
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: I can tell you about my bookstore that I'm getting

799
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: in right now.

800
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: In Providence, the one with the cat manager.

801
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: The one with the cat manager. And we believe she

802
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 2: has an assistant manager. His name is Willie. He is

803
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: a ghost.

804
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: How do you get that name.

805
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you how he got that name. His

806
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: parents gave it to him. We are on like a

807
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 2: historic Italian American block, and Willie was a mafioso who

808
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: got out of line and he got whacked in it

809
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 2: used to be a restaurant. It's our bookstore as you're now.

810
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: It's the same building, but in nineteen sixty six there's

811
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: lots of newspaper articles about it. He got whacked. He

812
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 2: was going against the family. When we first opened the

813
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: store about two and a half years ago, things would

814
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 2: call off the shelf, you know, books were falling over,

815
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: plants were falling over. We assumed it was the cat.

816
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: It's very easy to blame things on her. But then,

817
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: like I said, we're on this historic block. There's like

818
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 2: crime tours that walk by, and one of them came

819
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: in the store once and one of the tour guides

820
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: told us about Willie Marfio, the mafioso who bought waxed

821
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: in our store, and we were like, oh my god,

822
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: whoa that must be? Who's here? And ever since that

823
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 2: day when we leave the store, every night we say

824
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: bye penny by store by Willie. And I'll tell you,

825
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: like the stuff has stopped falling over, he still sends

826
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: us signs. So like literally my siblings said, I think

827
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: Willie smooved on. We haven't heard from him in a while.

828
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: I said, will you send us a sign? And then

829
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 2: every day for like a week after that, our open

830
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,959
Speaker 2: signs kept falling off the door ransomly like he said,

831
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: I'll give you a sign.

832
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: You should put up a picture of him.

833
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: You know, we've thought about it. We should do that.

834
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: We made like an Instagram post. We were like, meet

835
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: our ghost Willie. One time I was telling someone about

836
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 2: him and I looked up an article and I realized

837
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: that the next day happened to be his birthday, So

838
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: we looked up where he was. We went to his

839
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: head zone, we said hi, and we also visited his

840
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 2: brother with nearby and his craze Zone was a giant

841
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: book like it was literally a book, a stone book.

842
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: It's a book of life. And that's just made me

843
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: so happy. I think Willie was really into books and

844
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: that he likes our bookstore. Actually, whenever we move he

845
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 2: knocks the plants over. He doesn't want us to go anywhere.

846
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 2: Oh will Yeah, I think he and Penny are friends.

847
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 2: I like to think they get up to stuff at night.

848
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: That is so cute.

849
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: It is cute.

850
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: Well, Caroline, I think you gave me exactly what I need.

851
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: I hope so I have so much fun.

852
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: Thank you. I really appreciate you doing this.

853
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: Thank you. I have one question. Am I allowed to

854
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: plug my bookstore?

855
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: Of course?

856
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're called Hartley's Book We're in Providence. You

857
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 2: can find us on in. We have a ghost, we

858
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: have a cat. We are here. We're queer. We're not

859
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: going anywhere. Come say hi.

860
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: Oh I love that.

861
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 3: Yes, people go support local businesses and you know, independent

862
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 3: bookstores and all of that.

863
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm a big supporter.

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00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 6: Yay.

865
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 1: Thanks boo, bye boo.

866
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 3: Thank you so much to Lex Elliott and Caroline. As always,

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Speaker 3: if you would like to be on one, please email

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00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,759
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Speaker 3: know something, and then one sentence bullet points of your stories.

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Speaker 1: I love you all, both living and dead.

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00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 7: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't

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00:46:54,360 --> 00:47:05,480
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