1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: From the berkshears to the sound from wherever you live 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: in MLB America. This is inside the Parker. You give 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: us twenty two minutes and we'll give you the scoop 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: on major League Baseball. Now here's Baseball Hall of Fame 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: voter number seven, Rob Parker. 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 2: Welcome into the podcast. I'm your host, Bob Parker. What 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: a show we have for you today. 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 3: Angels outfielder Joe Adell, he joins us can't wait to have. 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: A conversation with him. 10 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 3: Also, Keith O'Brien, the new author of a book about 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 3: Pete Rose. 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: Pen FIALA fair with JR. Gamble that's coming up. 13 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 4: Let's go. 14 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: Better up to lead off? It's getting robbed to keep 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: him on. Rob's hot take on the three biggest stories 16 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: in Major League Baseball Number one, a huge sire relief. 17 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 3: For Major League Baseball for the days and show he 18 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 3: Otani Apparently, according to reports, the fed's investigation finds out 19 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 3: that he's the he's a victim in this, that it 20 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 3: isn't about him, it is about his interpreter, and that, 21 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: according to other reports, that he could uh plead that 22 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 3: he was the one involved in this and uh he 23 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 3: would take the punishment and that they found no evidence 24 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 3: that show Hay was involved gambled away four and a 25 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: half million dollars, that he was actually fleeced and the 26 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 3: money was taken for him from him and he didn't 27 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 3: know about it. So this has got to be a 28 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 3: big relief for baseball, their biggest started, a seven hundred 29 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 3: million dollar man that he's not involved. And we talked 30 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 3: about this before when he had his little press conference 31 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 3: and he didn't take questions. I wasn't that happy about it. 32 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 3: But he did go on a limits say that he 33 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 3: had never bet on anything. And once you say that, 34 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 3: you open yourself up for people to snoop around and 35 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 3: find something, and no one has been able to find it. 36 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 2: So for him to say. 37 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 3: That that a he had never bet on anything, let 38 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 3: loan baseball but nothing, and number two. 39 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 2: That he despised gambling. 40 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 3: And then for the fans to come back with not 41 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 3: working for Major League Baseball, no interest in saving Baseball's 42 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 3: favorite son. 43 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: They're just doing their due diligence. 44 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 3: It speaks volumes that they come back reportedly with a 45 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 3: clean bill of health for Sho hal Tony so he 46 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 3: can just focus in on playing baseball and let the 47 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 3: other stuff happen without him being involved. So good news 48 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 3: all around for everybody except. 49 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: His interpreter, Number two, John Carlos. 50 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 3: Stanton now has four hundred and six lifetime home runs. 51 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: On Wednesday night, he hit one against his former team, 52 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 3: the Marlins. He has now hit a home run against. 53 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: All thirty teams in Major League Baseball. He is the fifteenth. 54 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: Active player to have such an accomplishment. But I'm gonna 55 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: say this, the only thing that really has stopped Stanton 56 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 3: from being, no doubt about it, Hall of Famer is 57 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 3: that he's been hurt a lot. 58 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: That's what stopped him. 59 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: That's the low batting average, that's all the miss games. 60 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 3: But his numbers are eye popping, they really are. And 61 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: if he gets to number five hundred, he automatically gets 62 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: my vote. If you play long enough to get five 63 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 3: hundred home runs in the big leagues, you automatically. 64 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: Get my vote. 65 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 3: And he could get his way into the Hall of Fame. 66 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 3: He has an MVP, he's made All Star teams. Look 67 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 3: at his postseason home runs with the Yankees. He has 68 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: been a monster in the postseason, big home runs, and 69 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: I think that that's huge. Even this year for the 70 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 3: Yankees got off to a slow start. Stanton now has 71 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 3: four home runs on the season coming into Thursday, and 72 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 3: three home runs in the past five game for the 73 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 3: Yankees coming into Thursday, so the home run bat is going. 74 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: He's healthy, and you know when he's healthy, he's one 75 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 2: of the most dangerous hitters in baseball. 76 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 3: He really really is. He could hit a home run 77 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 3: all different parts of the field. So Stanton is to me, 78 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 3: if he reaches that five hundred home run mark, he's 79 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 3: getting my vote and has a great shot to be 80 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer Number three. The Baltimore Orioles are 81 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 3: thrilled to death. The only person happier than the Orioles 82 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: is Matt Holliday because his son, Jackson Holliday, made his 83 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 3: debut for the Baltimore Orioles. He's their number one prospect. 84 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 3: He has been called up to the major leagues. He 85 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 3: had an HARBI in his first game as well, and 86 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 3: it's another one of those father son things. We see 87 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: that a lot in sports, but especially in baseball. The 88 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 3: Toronto Blue Jays have about to have three former players 89 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: kids all on the same team. We've seen a lot 90 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 3: of these former players and their kids rise up to 91 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 3: be stars in their own right in baseball, and now 92 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: we have another one in Jackson Holiday With the Orioles. 93 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: They think he's going to be a tremendous player. He's 94 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: at number one prospect. Obviously, he has. 95 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,239 Speaker 3: The jeans from his dad, who had a tremendous career 96 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 3: in Major League baseball. And it's got to be a 97 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: proud moment to see your kid put in all the 98 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 3: work and then make it to the big leagues. Because 99 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 3: people remember Matt made it to the All Star team 100 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: seven times in his fifteen year career. So it's gotta 101 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 3: be a special moment and we'll be watching to see 102 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 3: how great Jackson Holliday will be. I'm sure it's going 103 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 3: to take a little time. People put a lot of pressure, 104 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 3: especially when you're the number one prospect for an organization. 105 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: There's high hope, and we already know how good the 106 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: Orioles are. 107 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 3: So if this guy can produce and help early on 108 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 3: in his career, this is going to be great for Baltimore. 109 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: Here comes the big interview. Listen and learn. 110 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 5: It's so good. 111 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 3: All right, now, let's welcome into the podcast. Joe Adell, 112 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 3: outfielder for the Los Angeles Angels, Joe, thanks for joining us. 113 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 5: No, thank you guys for having me always, no doubt. 114 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 3: Let's talk about your angel and where you guys are 115 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 3: to start there. Off to a good start of this season, 116 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 3: and I think it's big for the Angels, especially you know, 117 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: you lose show Hay and people are expecting the worst. 118 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: Just talk about the start to the season. 119 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 6: We know, having Ron and the staff that he's brought 120 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 6: in this year, we've just been about the work and 121 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 6: I think when you look at the way that we've 122 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 6: won games, even the game yesterday, we won that game 123 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 6: on base running. We ran the bases extremely well yesterday. 124 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 6: At the end of the day, you know we're gonna 125 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 6: win games from the big swings. You know, we know, 126 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 6: having show Hay in the past, we had that type 127 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 6: of bat in the lineup where if mistakes were made, 128 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 6: we could be ahead with one swing. But we understand 129 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 6: now through spring and the way that we've operated under 130 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 6: Run that we're going to run the bases and win 131 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 6: games by playing the game the right way, and that's 132 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 6: what we've done. We've been able to come out and 133 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 6: most of the games that we've won to this point 134 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 6: we have played better baseball than the other team. So 135 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 6: it's a tribute to our work and just how well 136 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 6: we've come together to play the game the way it 137 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 6: should be played. 138 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: Talk about the hiring of Ron Washington, you know, a 139 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: longtime baseball guy has had success everywhere he's been just 140 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 3: just about his style and playing for a guy like Ron. 141 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 6: Wow, I'll tell you what you know first and foremost, 142 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 6: you know it's, you know, the elephant in the room. 143 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 6: I'm just glad to have the opportunity to play for 144 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 6: a black manager. 145 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 5: That's huge for me. 146 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 6: That's going to be a story that I'll be able 147 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 6: to talk about when I'm done playing for years and 148 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 6: years on after. But the second thing is with Ron, 149 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 6: he's a winner. This guy comes to the field every 150 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 6: day and he's working with the infielders, he's working with 151 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 6: all the position guys. He's talking to players in the 152 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 6: in the clubhouse, trying to get the morale up. 153 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 5: He's just an overall winner. 154 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 6: He's a guy that comes to the ball field every 155 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 6: day and wants to put W's up and his energy 156 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 6: level shows it. And man, it's it's been a blast 157 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 6: just in this short period of time playing for him. 158 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 3: And about your career. You know, you've been up and 159 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 3: down a car couple of times. You made your debut 160 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty. How do you feel about coming into 161 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 3: this season? Have you done all the things that you 162 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 3: feel you need to do to be here? 163 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 6: Man, I'm excited. I'm really excited. Off to a good start. 164 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 6: Was able to you know, get some runs in, have 165 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 6: a couple of stolen bases under my belt right now 166 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 6: to this point, and the run scored. You know, my 167 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 6: goal is to get the third base, you know, and 168 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 6: so far I've done that. 169 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 5: You know. 170 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 6: My goal is you know, extra base hit, whether it's 171 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 6: a single, whether it's a double, whatever, I'm trying to get. 172 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 5: To third base. 173 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,479 Speaker 6: And man, I'm just really proud of, you know, my progression. 174 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 6: You know, the start for me was rough, but I 175 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 6: needed it to be that way. I wouldn't have it 176 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 6: any other way because without that rough patch, right, I 177 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 6: wouldn't have been able to see the level of growth now. 178 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 6: And so to this point, I'm really really excited. And 179 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 6: the support over on this side is huge, So right 180 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 6: now I can't complain, and you know, hoping for a 181 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 6: good rest of the year. 182 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 3: Our guest is Joe Adelle, outfielder for the Los Angeles Angels. 183 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 3: Here on Inside the Parker talk about your love for baseball. 184 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 3: When did that happen? You know, you're a big guy. 185 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: You probably played other sports, you know what I mean. 186 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 3: But there's something about baseball like the guys who wind 187 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 3: up going through it because it's a harder path. It's 188 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 3: a hard game. You feel seven out of ten times 189 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 3: in your Hall of Famer and that's how hard it is. 190 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 6: Absolutely, So, you know, I kind of grew up with 191 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 6: a football background. My dad played at n C State 192 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 6: and then played professionally for a little bit with the 193 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 6: New Orleans Saints. But for me growing up, I grew 194 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 6: up with epilepsy, so you know, I had, you know, 195 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 6: a situation where I couldn't play contact sports, so it 196 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 6: was a little bit different. 197 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 5: You know. 198 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 6: Most of my dad's friends were like, well, he's gonna 199 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 6: play football. You're a football player, that type of deal. 200 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 6: But baseball became kind of my path because you know, 201 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 6: I couldn't play contact sports, so I need to find 202 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 6: something that I could do that you know, contact was limited. 203 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 6: So once baseball season came around I was seven years old, 204 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 6: my dad got me, you know, signed up for rec 205 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 6: league play, and from then on out it just became. 206 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 5: Such a natural sport for me. I just really got it. 207 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 6: I understood it, my attributes were there for the game, 208 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 6: and really stuck with it. And I think baseball is 209 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 6: one of those sports where the physicality isn't the only 210 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 6: thing that matters, and I think that's what makes it, 211 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 6: you know. I guess what made it so attractive for 212 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 6: me was that it was always a challenge to try 213 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 6: to improve that skill set because it is as a 214 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 6: very fine too skill set. So yeah, I'm just glad 215 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 6: you know where I am today. I wouldn't have it 216 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 6: any other way, but definitely early on, baseball kind of 217 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 6: was my thing from day one. 218 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 3: Do you think as you go forward you'll have more power? 219 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 3: I know you have eighteen home runs in your major 220 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 3: league career. Is that what you hope to be? 221 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: Well? 222 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 6: I think at the end of the day, you know, 223 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 6: you make the right decisions at the play, good things 224 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 6: are going to happen. 225 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 3: So you don't try to hit home runs right. If 226 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 3: you swing the bat right, sometimes they just leave the part. 227 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, sometimes it just leaves the part right. You swing 228 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 6: the bat right, you know, But just to you know, 229 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 6: talk about it. I've had less than six hundred at 230 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 6: bats over four years, you know what I mean. So 231 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 6: I've hit you know, twenty homers and really less than 232 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 6: a full season of at bats. So I've hit a 233 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 6: decent amount of home runs and the you know what 234 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 6: would be considered a full season. It's just been spread 235 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 6: out over a longer period of time. So I think 236 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 6: for me, the home runs are going to continue to 237 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 6: come as I continue to be in games and play 238 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 6: on a regular basis. But like we were saying earlier, 239 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 6: my goal is, you know, with my speed, I can 240 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 6: play on the bases and if I hit a single, 241 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 6: I can turn it into a double. If I hit 242 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 6: a double, I can turn it into a triple. So 243 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 6: for me, it's it's more on the focus of how 244 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 6: am I going to get those extra bases? What do 245 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 6: I have to do in the in the box to 246 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 6: be able to get pitches to handle to allow me 247 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 6: to get those extra bases, And so really it's just 248 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 6: picking out the right pitch and trying to you know, 249 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 6: put up a swing to do damage. 250 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 5: But not try to hit the ball out. But they 251 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 5: will go out eventually, going. 252 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: They're going out. 253 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: I'm just curious War. 254 00:12:58,280 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 3: That's it. They are going out. 255 00:12:59,520 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 5: You're right. 256 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 3: Finally you guys open up a series with the Red 257 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 3: Sox in Boston at Fenway. Just curious about that ballpark. 258 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 3: I love going there. You know, it's so different and intimate. 259 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 3: Just tell me about Fenway Park, playing there and. 260 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 5: Do you like it or is it Fenway is? Fenway 261 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 5: is pretty majestic. You know. 262 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 6: You go in there and it's really the first time 263 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 6: I was there was a year ago, a couple of 264 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 6: years ago, and it was pretty much exactly what I 265 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 6: thought it was gonna be. 266 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 5: Very felt like a living throwback, I'll say, in a way. 267 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 3: When you see that Green Monster, though, what do you 268 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 3: like the first time you get there. 269 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 5: I can remember I was in. 270 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 3: College when I went, and I just remember looking up 271 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 3: at it, going my. 272 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 6: God, yeah, I know you go there and uh, I 273 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,719 Speaker 6: think honestly, for me, as a kid, I had like 274 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 6: a vision of how big the Green Monster is in person, 275 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 6: and then you go there and you're like, well, it's big. 276 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 5: But when I was a. 277 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 6: Kid, it looked way bigger than maybe what it is. 278 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 6: But it's still pretty cool to experience, you know that, 279 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 6: and that whole stadium in the atmosphere behind it. The 280 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 6: fans are very very into it obviously, And yeah, you 281 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 6: definitely if you're playing left field there and you're a visitor, 282 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 6: you definitely want to get your early work in because 283 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 6: it is a it is a challenge dealing with that wall. 284 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 5: So but yeah, it's awesome. 285 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 6: It's a it's a it's an awesome throwback part, just 286 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 6: like Wrigular, same type of feel. 287 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 3: I'm with you some of the old ballparks. I hope 288 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 3: they never touched. Those two should not be touched. 289 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 5: Absolutely, don't touch them at all. Leave him be. 290 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 3: His name is Joe Adell from the uh Los Angeles Angels. 291 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 3: Appreciate you coming. Thank you Joe, Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. 292 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: It's the Gambler here. 293 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 4: Vice president of operations for mlbbro dot Com and executive 294 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 4: producer of the MLB bro Show podcast The Mixtape. 295 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: Every Friday, you heard that right. 296 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 4: Every Friday, we bring you the best from the world 297 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 4: of black and brown baseball. 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Is it foul or is it fair? 329 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: And Now from mlbbro dot Com, here's Jrgambo. 330 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 3: Aaron Judge is struggling and hasn't been healthy all season. 331 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 3: He's just got two home runs through the first thirteen games, Jr. 332 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 2: Is it foul or fair to say that the Yankee 333 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: should be worried about George foul? 334 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 4: That is a foul ball, Arab Judge is hitting one 335 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 4: ninety five, Yes, and Yankee fans are panicking. But meanwhile, 336 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 4: the Yankees franchise is ten and three and getting great 337 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 4: production from Anthony Volpe, the young shortstop. He's continued to excel. 338 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 4: The pitching's been solid. Marcus Stroman is paying dividends. Rodin 339 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 4: looks like he's rounding into form. Stanton's been on a 340 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 4: home run tear in the last five days. He's mashing 341 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 4: and Juan Sodo's Juan Soto. They're partying in the Bronx again. 342 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 4: The pinstripes alive. Yes, Judge might be nicked up. You 343 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 4: invested a lot of money in him. He's the face 344 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 4: of the franchise, hey, the face of baseball. The toe, Yeah, 345 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 4: it's banged up, possibly various other nagging injuries. He's been 346 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 4: prone to those, and he's getting up there in age. 347 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 4: But that's what a team is, and the Yankee seems 348 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 4: to have built a much better one this season, one 349 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 4: that can withstand a compromise, Judge or a judge, you 350 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 4: can only play in one hundred and twenty one hundred 351 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 4: and thirty or so games until he can get healthy 352 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 4: and get back into form. 353 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: No need to panic. Now it's time for the pocket 354 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,239 Speaker 1: protector centrum. The analytic numbers you need to know? 355 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 3: Well, maybe Anthony Masterson is his name, BS analytics is 356 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 3: his game. 357 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 5: What do you got for me, Anthony? 358 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 7: With the unfortunate news of season ending Tommy John, surgery 359 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 7: is coming to star pitcher Shane Bieber and Urie Perez, 360 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 7: as well as an elbow injury to a Spencer Strider, 361 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 7: it seems like pitcher injuries are worse this year than ever. 362 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 7: But as the scores Travis Saucik lays out, it's simply 363 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 7: more of the same. We can look at pitcher injuries 364 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 7: through the lens of the first one hundred days of 365 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 7: a calendar year, which is about where we are right now. 366 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 7: So far this year, there have been sixteen recorded Tommy 367 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 7: John surgeries in the pro ranks and nine already in MLB, 368 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 7: which is definitely a lot. In fact, it's the third 369 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 7: highest total through the first one hundred days this century, 370 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 7: only beaten by ten in two thousand and eleven. In 371 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 7: twenty fourteen and twenty twenty one, compare the number to 372 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 7: last year at this time, and there were only two. 373 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,239 Speaker 7: But the overall number of sixteen tjs is down from 374 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 7: twenty three last year and the lowest mark since twenty thirteen, 375 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 7: So the glass is half full or half empty. The 376 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 7: MLBPA has claimed the pitchclock is one of the big culprits, 377 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 7: but minor leaguers have used a pitchclock longer than big leaguers, 378 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 7: and though it's hit MLB harder earlier this year, the 379 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 7: overall numbers are down from the previous two years, where 380 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 7: we saw seventy five Tommy John surgeries in the first 381 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 7: one hundred days of twenty twenty one and twenty twenty 382 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 7: two combined, compared to just thirty nine so far the 383 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 7: last two seasons. The sound and the fury coming from 384 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 7: the Players Association surely isn't signifying nothing, but the numbers 385 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 7: so far don't suggest we're the start of an epidemic. 386 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 7: With pitchers chasing spin rates and velocity, an uptick in 387 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 7: surgeries is almost an inevitability. 388 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: Turn money into more money. Now it's time for betting 389 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: on the basis with Dave Gascott. Love that money, Love 390 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: that money. 391 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 8: Hey, Rob brand New weekend of Baseball and I got 392 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 8: a bunch of different things going on right now. Matt's 393 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 8: still looking to get to five hundred. They have had 394 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 8: a god awful starts of the year. They're one in 395 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 8: five at home. When they get the Kansas City Royals 396 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 8: on a Friday nend, Michael Walker is going to be 397 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 8: on the bump for them versus Luist seven Arena in 398 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 8: the pitching matchup. I'm gonna take walk in this one 399 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 8: Kansas City on the road. They've been one of the 400 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 8: better teams to start the season. I will take them. Meanwhile, 401 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 8: Cubbies and Maritters will get things underway from Tiam Molli 402 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 8: Pork and Seattle on Friday night. It's actually Apple TV 403 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,239 Speaker 8: game at nine to forty eastern, and I'm gonna take 404 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 8: Chicago in this one. Couldy Bellinger trying to get live 405 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 8: up to that hype of that contract. He just said, 406 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 8: I'm gonna take Chicago on the road against the Maritors 407 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 8: b while Dodgers and Padres from Los Angeles. Yoshi Yamamoto 408 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 8: and the Dodgers will get things underway at ten ten Eastern, 409 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 8: seven to ten Pacific from La Momoo and a rough 410 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 8: outing in this debut with the Dodgers. But he corrected 411 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 8: himself in game number two. I'm gonna take him in 412 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 8: La in that one. 413 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: When Rob was a newspaper columnist, he lived by this motto, 414 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: if I'm writing, I'm ripping. Let's bring in a writer 415 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: or broadcaster, old or new. 416 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 2: All right, now, let's welcome into the podcast. His name 417 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 2: is Keith O'Brien and author. 418 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 3: He has a new book, Charlie Hustle, The Rise and 419 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 3: Fall of Pete Rose and the Last Glory Days of Baseball. 420 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 2: Man, Keith, welcome to the podcast. And that's a mouthful. 421 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 3: Sounds like you got a lot of juice in this book. 422 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: I think there is a lot of juice in this book. 423 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 3: There is, Well, let's start with Pete Rose, who, of 424 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 3: course every time there's some sort of gambling scandal he 425 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 3: becomes relevant again and Sho hal Tani and you know, 426 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 3: the stuff that's going on with his interpreter and you know, 427 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 3: illegal betting. And I saw Pete Rose on social media 428 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 3: saying he wished he had an interpreter, as if that 429 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 3: would have been his way out. Where is peak today, 430 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 3: like just you know, thinking about what's going on and 431 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 3: does he still still kill him? Basically that he got 432 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 3: wrapped up in gambling and now, of course all the 433 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 3: sports are in bed with gambling. 434 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 9: Well, I started the research and the reporting on this 435 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 9: book about two and a half years ago, and in 436 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 9: that time I did have access to Pete Rose. I 437 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 9: did twenty seven hours of recorded interviews with him. But 438 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 9: I have since lost contact with him. He's severed contact 439 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 9: with me, So I don't know exactly how he feels 440 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 9: about the show here tony situation. I do, you know, 441 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 9: have some thoughts on it. Of course, having lived inside 442 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 9: this world for the past two and a half years, 443 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 9: you know that line that you reference. You know, Pete 444 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 9: saying he wished he had an interpreter in the nineteen 445 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 9: seventies and eighties, he would have been off Scott. 446 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: Free is great line. 447 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 9: It's funny, and that video goes viral, you know, so 448 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 9: it achieves, it achieves what it wants. But you know, 449 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 9: the reality is Pete Rose did effectively have an interpreter 450 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 9: in the nineteen seventies and eighties. You know, he very rarely, 451 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 9: you know, interacted with bookies himself, especially by the mid 452 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 9: nineteen eighties when he was betting on baseball. You know, 453 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 9: at that time it was it was close pals in 454 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 9: his inner circle who were doing that work for him, 455 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 9: placing those bets, paying off the debts, picking up his winnings. 456 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 9: They did that for him, and so, you know, it's 457 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 9: a good line, but it's sort of is forgetful of 458 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 9: what actually happened. 459 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 3: I'll say this, and I'm a Baseball Hall of Fame voter. 460 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 3: I've been covering Major League Baseball since nineteen eighty six, 461 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 3: and I in my heart believe that if p Rose 462 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 3: would have come clean, he would be in the Hall 463 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 3: of Fame now. And he lied for fourteen years. Baseball 464 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 3: had no choice. I think people are wrong when they 465 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 3: think that baseball wants to, you know, not have the 466 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 3: all time hit king, you know, in the Hall of Fame. 467 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 3: I think they would love for him to be there. 468 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 3: But Pete kind of did this to himself, am I 469 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 3: off base? 470 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 5: Yeah? 471 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 9: So, I mean that's that opinion of yours is supported 472 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 9: by by my reporting. You know, p Rose is initially 473 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 9: called in in February nineteen eighty nine for a secret meeting. 474 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 9: There's no investigation yet, there are no headlines, there's no scandal. 475 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 9: And in this secret meeting at the offices of Major 476 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 9: League Baseball, it's attended by p Rose and his attorneys. 477 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 9: It's attended by the incoming Commissioner of Baseball and current 478 00:24:55,240 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 9: at the time National League Vice Nationally President Bargieamati, and 479 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 9: Barchiamodi's right hand man and good friend is Deputy. 480 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: Commissioner Faith Incidents. 481 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 9: And in this meeting they ask him directly about a 482 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 9: rumor they've heard that he's betting on baseball and betting 483 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 9: on the Reds. And you know, he lies in that meeting. 484 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 9: I mean he lies, as you said, for the rest 485 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 9: of that spring and summer during the investigation, he lies 486 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 9: for fifteen years, and my reporting shows if Rose is 487 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 9: honest at any point that spring, especially in that first meeting, 488 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 9: the whole narrative is different. And I don't mean to 489 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 9: suggest that he would not have been punished. He would 490 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 9: have been punished. But one thing we've forgotten in the 491 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 9: last thirty five years is that this was bad for 492 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 9: baseball in nineteen eighty nine. Nobody wanted this, This scandal 493 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 9: was bad for the game. And if there was a 494 00:25:54,480 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 9: way for Barchiamadi to salvage him in some way, you know, 495 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 9: to put him back together in some way after a 496 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 9: time away from the game, after some kind of punishment, 497 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,479 Speaker 9: it would have happened and we wouldn't be wrestling with 498 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 9: this thirty five years later. But you know, the Hall 499 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 9: of Fame. One interesting thing that people have forgotten, most 500 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 9: sports fans, most baseball fans. When Rose was banned in 501 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 9: nineteen eighty nine, he was still eligible for the Hall 502 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 9: of Fame, and he was going to appear on the 503 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 9: ballot two years later. And it was only ten months 504 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 9: before that ballot that election that the National Baseball Hall 505 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 9: of Fame changed the rules and said that only eligible 506 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 9: players were eligible for the ballot. It effectively was the 507 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 9: Pete Rose corollary, and it was that rule that ultimately 508 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 9: ruled him out of the Hall. 509 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I understand it because it would be a 510 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 3: mockery if the writers got a chance to vote for 511 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 3: him and he's banned and he got in, you know, 512 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 3: So I do understand why they took it out of 513 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 3: the writer's hands at that point. 514 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 2: But our guest is Keith O'Brien. 515 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 3: The author of his new book is Charlie Hustle, The 516 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 3: Rides and Fall of Pete Rose and the Last. 517 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 2: Glory Days of Baseball. 518 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 3: I don't know about the last Glory Days of baseball. 519 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 3: You've got to explain that part of your book to me. 520 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 3: Because last year baseball sold over seventy million tickets, which 521 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 3: is more than the NBA, the NFL, the NHL. 522 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 2: The MLS combined. 523 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 3: And with the new rule changes, we saw attendance up, 524 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 3: TV ratings up and revenue up. How are we not 525 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 3: in the glory days of baseball? 526 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? Great question. 527 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 5: You know. 528 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 9: What I'm what I'm suggesting with the subtitle is a 529 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 9: couple of things. 530 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: One, despite all those numbers that you just. 531 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 9: Mentioned, you know, baseball did carve off a bigger slice 532 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 9: of the American consciousness in the nineteen sixties, seventies, and eighties, 533 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 9: and it does say we're just a more fractured world. 534 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 9: You know, there's there's a lot more media, there's a 535 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 9: lot more entertainment, and there are a lot more sports 536 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 9: to watch today. 537 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 6: Uh. 538 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 9: You know, at the time, baseball was, you know, still 539 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 9: America's pastime. It was the number one sport. It's only 540 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 9: in the in the early nineteen seventies that that starts 541 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 9: to change and the NFL just slightly begins to eclipse 542 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 9: baseball as as America's most popular sport. So, you know, 543 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 9: it just definitively was more popular in those days. And 544 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 9: the second thing is is a bit more subtle. You know, 545 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 9: in the sixties, seventies and eighties, sports writers and the 546 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 9: beat writers often protected the players and and and you 547 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 9: know sort of shielded us, the fans, from from what 548 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 9: they really knew about them. And so because of that, 549 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 9: we were we were given as fans a sanitized version 550 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 9: of the players who they were, their stories, uh, and 551 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 9: and and and with Pete Rose in nineteen eighty nine, 552 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 9: that terrible scandal that changes we really do lose something 553 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 9: as a culture. 554 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty nine. 555 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 9: I think we lose a sense of innocence about sports. 556 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 7: Uh. 557 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 9: You know, if if the all time hit leader and 558 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 9: Charlie hustled, the beloved you know, scrappy ballplayer from Cincinnati 559 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 9: could be tied up and a gambling scandal, you know 560 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 9: what else? What else was out there? And you know, 561 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 9: if you look at sports over the last thirty five years, 562 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 9: not just baseball, but other sports, it feels like, you know, 563 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 9: it's just one scandal after another. 564 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 2: I don't disagree. 565 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that I once wrote a column 566 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 3: on that's when Mickey Mantle died, and the premise of 567 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 3: it was that I'd rather have a hero from today 568 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 3: than from back in the fifties because now I get 569 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 3: to see all awards and I get to determine whether 570 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 3: or not I still like the guy. Whereas they hid 571 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 3: all of Mickey Mantle's missteps and you know, shortcomings and 572 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 3: all that, so you really didn't know who Mickey Mantle 573 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 3: was or other players. So I agree with that that 574 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 3: things have changed. Last thing, where can people get the book? 575 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 3: It sounds interesting, sounds like something I want to read. 576 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 3: So where can people pick up your book? 577 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 9: Well, Charlie Hustle is available for purchase wherever they sell books. 578 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: It's available for purchase everywhere. 579 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 2: All right, Well, best of luck to you, Keith O'Brien 580 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 2: and nice talking to. 581 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: You, Hey, thanks for having me. Now bring in the closer. 582 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: Here's why MLB is better than the NFL or NBA. 583 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:00,959 Speaker 1: And it is and even close. 584 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 3: Reason number four hundred and fifty five. Our Major League 585 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 3: Baseball is better than the NBA and better than the NFL. 586 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 3: And that'll take place Sunday at City Field when the 587 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 3: Mets retired Dwight Gooden's number sixteen. He was a dominant 588 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 3: pitcher when he pitched for the Mets in the eighties. 589 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 3: He was unbelievable and it's a chance at redemption. He 590 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 3: had enormous talent and yet fell on hard times. Drug abuse, 591 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 3: all kinds of issues that happened for Dwight Gooden. And 592 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 3: guess what, he's bounced back. He's changed his life. 593 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 2: And this has to be a great moment. 594 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 3: You don't see this very often in other sports, but 595 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 3: for a lot of people he was an idol for them. 596 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 3: He fell off and yet he's going to have his 597 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 3: day in the sun. He will, and it has to 598 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 3: be a tremendous honor to have his number sixteen retired, 599 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 3: and I'll be on hand at City Field for that 600 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 3: this coming Sunday in New York, so I'm looking forward 601 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 3: to it. It's one of those special things about baseball. 602 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 3: In the words of New York TV legend the late 603 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 3: Bill Jorgensen, thanking you for your time this time until 604 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 3: next time. 605 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 5: Rob Parker out he can't Davin. 606 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: This could be an inside the Parker. See you next week, 607 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: same bat time, same Matt station.