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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: Norri back with Justin Banforth. As we talk about the

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Speaker 1: paranormal world. You've looked at multiverses. What do you think

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Speaker 1: of that? I have my theory about deja vu, but

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on the multi versus Justin? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the multiverse, Um, you know, that's that's an interesting aspect

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Speaker 1: for sure. You know what what exactly is the multiverse? Um?

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Speaker 1: You know? From what I understand, it's you know, it's

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Speaker 1: like if you make um, you know, and and those

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Speaker 1: in the science field, you know, please correct me if

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong. But my understanding is you know that there

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Speaker 1: are certain choices we make, and when we make a

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Speaker 1: choice or a conscious choice, it creates another you in

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Speaker 1: another reality. And um, you know that other you makes choices,

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Speaker 1: which makes other choices and creates other us. And I've

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Speaker 1: always wondered if maybe there's overlap from this type of

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Speaker 1: theory and maybe what we are seeing as ghosts are

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Speaker 1: nothing more than those other us or other people in

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Speaker 1: other realms. That's possible. I've always thought days a vou

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Speaker 1: with that ability to think I've been here before? Is

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Speaker 1: that too that just might be a few seconds out

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Speaker 1: of kilter from another universe that we're matching ourselves in. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's possible. I mean there's you know, again,

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Speaker 1: there's so many different theories we can put on paranormal

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Speaker 1: phenomenon or whatever we want to call this high strangeness,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's really it's like every theory is plausible,

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Speaker 1: every theory does have a hold a certain weight. But

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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes when you hear these experiences again, I

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Speaker 1: just caution people, don't try to categorize it, don't try

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Speaker 1: to label it. Just take it for what it is.

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Speaker 1: Write it down. Most importantly, you know, log all the

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Speaker 1: points of data and all that, because you never know

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Speaker 1: when something seemingly unimportant will actually be will give us

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Speaker 1: a clue or be very relevant to an experience. How

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Speaker 1: did you get involved investigating men in black stories? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: That that seems to be a very popular subject that

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are intrigued by. As much as

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Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to think that the typical men

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Speaker 1: in black case involves you know, black clad individuals, you know,

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Speaker 1: wearing the fedoras in the black suits, and the sunglasses

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Speaker 1: and all that. The fact is it just doesn't always

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Speaker 1: happen that way. Yes it can. But what I've found

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Speaker 1: is I've started asking people about have you ever had

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Speaker 1: any odd encounters with odd individuals or people that just

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Speaker 1: you know, stood out to you as not really normal.

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Speaker 1: In fact, while we were on the actually a couple

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Speaker 1: hours ago before the show, I got an email from

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Speaker 1: a gentleman who used to work out at Alcatraz Island

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Speaker 1: about one such experience where these seventeen guys showed up

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Speaker 1: to take a tour of Alcatraz and they all said

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Speaker 1: that they were from a FOSI, you know, the Air

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Speaker 1: Force Office of Special Investigations. What stood out to him

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Speaker 1: is that these individuals didn't say anything. They were just

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Speaker 1: very robotic and they were covered with bruises. And he

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Speaker 1: that is what stood out to them, or stood out

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Speaker 1: to this gentleman, And he said, um, you know there

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Speaker 1: if you're if you're looking for classic men in black,

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Speaker 1: you're probably going to overlook some of these things. I

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Speaker 1: think they're showing up, it's just presumably normal people, but

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Speaker 1: across as very unnormal. Who do you think they are

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Speaker 1: or what are they? Well? You know, this is a

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Speaker 1: great question because my friend Darryl Simms, who is a

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Speaker 1: pioneer in the alien abduction field, you know, I've asked

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Speaker 1: some of his abductees. But he thinks that there are

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Speaker 1: and that would explain some of the more human encounters. However,

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Speaker 1: there are some experiences that kind of defy that. And

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Speaker 1: you know, these individuals display very inhuman characteristics. Sometimes they'll

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Speaker 1: Or like the gentleman who emailed me about Alcatraz still

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Speaker 1: seem very robotic. However, there is one common mannerism I've

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Speaker 1: certain aspects. For example, there was a lady from New

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Speaker 1: Two days I think it was two or three days

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Speaker 1: after she emailed me, she was out with her son

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Speaker 1: being so but again, what is that. You know, typically

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Speaker 1: there was an interesting experience that was sent to me. Um.

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