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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast O. Welcome back Man now number three

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging

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Speaker 1: out with us. We're going to be joined by our

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Speaker 1: buddy Alex Bearnson now. And the timing on this is

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Speaker 1: not coincidental. There is a New York Times editorial out

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Speaker 1: today encouraging and I can't believe this is real. Everyone

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Speaker 1: six months and older to go out and get the

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Speaker 1: newest COVID shots. Kathy Hochel, the brilliant, esteemed, Those are

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Speaker 1: both satire and I just want to make it clear

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Speaker 1: neither brilliant nor esteemed in any aspect of her leadership

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Speaker 1: so far. Here is what she said about the new

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Speaker 1: COVID shot and how it impacts if you had the

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Speaker 1: past COVID shot.

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Speaker 2: Listen, hell, everybody, don't rely on the fact that you

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Speaker 2: had a vaccine in the past.

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Speaker 1: It will not help you this time around. Okay, that's

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Speaker 1: Kathy Hoeld. Last shots won't help you this time around.

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Speaker 1: You have to go get this one. We bring in now.

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Speaker 1: Alex Berenson, Alex use of the word vaccine. Let's start here.

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Speaker 1: If I told you, hey, you know that measles, mumps,

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Speaker 1: rubella vaccine that you got, It doesn't work anymore. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about a booster like every twelve years

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Speaker 1: or whatever the heck they do. I'm not even sure

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Speaker 1: exactly what goes on with that. My kids have all

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Speaker 1: gotten those shots. But the one that you just got

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Speaker 1: last year, it's basically worthless. But this new one, it'll

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Speaker 1: take care of you. When you hear this and you

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Speaker 1: see the editorial in the New York Times saying that

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Speaker 1: everybody six months and older needs to get the new

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Speaker 1: updated COVID shot, your reaction is what I'm curious.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I am curious about this, and you know I

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Speaker 3: wrote a sub stect today, you know, unreported truth about

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Speaker 3: this and the details of why I'm sures. But let's

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Speaker 3: just let's just focus on two things, okay quickly. One

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Speaker 3: is we are now way out of step with the

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Speaker 3: rest of the world. And I'm not talking about you know,

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Speaker 3: some random third world country. I'm talking about Germany or

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Speaker 3: Australia or the UK or Japan. They are not pushing

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Speaker 3: these shots. They're certainly not pushing them on anybody under

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Speaker 3: eighteen in Germany they don't even recommend a primary COVID

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Speaker 3: vaccination for anybody under eighteen. And most of these countries

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Speaker 3: aren't pushing it on people under sixty five. In Australia

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Speaker 3: they go to seventy five. So this I mean these countries,

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Speaker 3: they're smart countries, they have smart doctors. They just aren't,

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Speaker 3: you know, somehow completely politicized on this process. They're somewhat politicized,

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Speaker 3: but they're not as politicized as we are. So that's

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Speaker 3: a b is. You can look and this is something

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Speaker 3: that I tweeted out this morning that has gotten a

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Speaker 3: huge response. You can look at the CDC's own data

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Speaker 3: from their slides yesterday, which is not from a month

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Speaker 3: ago or a year ago. From yesterday, they said that

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Speaker 3: you would have to give one million COVID shots to

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Speaker 3: save between zero and one. They couldn't even say one.

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Speaker 3: They said zero to one deaths of an adolescent from

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Speaker 3: COVID million shots to save zero to one death. And

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Speaker 3: by the way, those shots we know are going to

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Speaker 3: cause in the short term one hundred thousand to two

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Speaker 3: hundred thousand severe reactions meaning a high fever, meaning nausea,

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Speaker 3: that stuff you know that you get in the immediate

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Speaker 3: aftermath of the shot. So a million shots, you save

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Speaker 3: maybe one person of dying from COVID, You cause one

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Speaker 3: hundred thousand to two hundred thousand severe reactions. And they

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Speaker 3: didn't even mention this part. But it's in the data

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Speaker 3: from other places. You cause fifty to three hundred cases

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Speaker 3: of severe miocroditis marketized. That's clinically relevant in people. So

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Speaker 3: so what are we doing? It is sickening to me.

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Speaker 3: These shots should not be offered to anybody who's a

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Speaker 3: from other conditions, And they probably shouldn't be offered to

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Speaker 3: anybody of that age period, but they and they probably

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Speaker 3: shouldn't be offered to anybody unders sixty five again, who's

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Speaker 3: not really sick with other things. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Alex, who wants this?

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Speaker 2: Like, who's still? Is it really just the power of

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Speaker 2: big pharma? I mean the CDC director who from from

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Speaker 2: previous experience with things that she said publicly, I have

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Speaker 2: I really mean this? Like what is wrong with her?

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Speaker 2: Does she have an anxiety disorder? Or is she just

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Speaker 2: getting too much big pharma money from something or what?

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Speaker 3: No? I mean, It's like, I don't believe she's getting

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Speaker 3: pharma money directly. I mean, obviously there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: billion dollars worth of pediatric COVID doses for this fall,

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Speaker 3: about twenty million vaccines. Now, I would be surprised if

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Speaker 3: one million are given, because the only good thing in

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Speaker 3: all of this is that is that everybody knows, with

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Speaker 3: so no one is going to get these I And

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Speaker 3: the reason I say that with certainty is because that's

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Speaker 3: what happened last fall. You know, aside from people over

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Speaker 3: be even lower this year. But that doesn't mean we can't.

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Speaker 3: We need to, we can let this go. We have

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Speaker 3: to call them out on this. As for Mandy Cohen

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Speaker 3: and what she's doing, I have no idea, the idea

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Speaker 3: that she would get her healthy children. And I assume

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Speaker 3: that's no risk to them. She is. She's endangering them,

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Speaker 3: even if it's a low danger. She's endangering them for

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Speaker 3: no benefit to them. And I don't understand that we're.

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Speaker 1: Talking about lex Bearnson. I always think this is important.

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Speaker 1: I've got a fifteen to twelve and a nine year old.

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Speaker 1: We're about to have a couple of birthdays. My kids

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Speaker 1: are not getting these shots. Okay, So I'm telling all

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Speaker 1: do with my own kids. Certainly, I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: get it right. I haven't ever gotten any of these shots.

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Speaker 1: But I think for most people out there, whatever you

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Speaker 1: the choices that you're making for them tells us more

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Speaker 1: not doing this, Alex. Let's take away the Alex Bearnson

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Speaker 1: journalist who's looking at all this data. You also have

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Speaker 1: young kids. How old are your kids and what choice

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Speaker 1: I think this is so important, take it outside of Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm a you know Alex Bearnson covering this. You're also

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Speaker 1: Alex Bearnson, Dad. What are you doing with your own family?

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Speaker 3: So we've talked about this before. My kids are now eleven,

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Speaker 1: So you got four kids eleven and under. Oh, three

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Speaker 3: had COVID, they've all by the way, they've all had

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Speaker 3: exactly the same. I mean, we are not doing this

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Speaker 3: to them. They don't need it. It's only downside. We

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Speaker 3: some data showing that in kids it may actually harm

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Speaker 3: their immunity to other infections. So it would be it

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Speaker 3: will never happen as long as I'm alive, that my

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Speaker 3: kids will get these shots, which.

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Speaker 2: Being Alex Bearnson. Subscribe to his sub stack unreported CRUs

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Speaker 2: So maybe we could put up a cross link to

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Speaker 2: it on clayanbuck dot com. So anyone goes to claibuck

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Speaker 2: dot com, you click on it and you can see

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Speaker 2: Alex's peace today and Alex. The mantra here continues to

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Speaker 2: from the CDC director, who's the same woman who actually,

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Speaker 2: this was like months ago the current CDC director formerly

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Speaker 2: This is what she said about how she made COVID policy.

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Speaker 4: Play it so I would call probably the person I

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Speaker 4: but you know when she was like, are you are

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Speaker 4: like nope, And She's like okay, neither away, neither way.

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Speaker 4: So you know, it was like conversations like that, so

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Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, next Monday.

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Speaker 2: So just letting everyone know that she was arbitrary and

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Speaker 2: Everybody that person got promoted. She's not CDC director and

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Speaker 2: Alex she writes, quote, we can minimize the viruses damage

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Speaker 2: by using our most effective tool in combating the virus,

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Speaker 2: updated COVID nineteen vaccines.

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Speaker 3: Well, so, I mean that's another thing, and you know

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Speaker 3: they've repeated it endlessly. The updated boosters work better than

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Speaker 3: they're not complete idiots. When you get a booster, it

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Speaker 3: your body has an overwhelming tendency to produce anybody's that

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Speaker 3: probably one reason the vaccines are so ineffective at this point. Okay.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, it doesn't matter whether they give

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Speaker 3: body reacts the same. It's called immune in printing or

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Speaker 3: original antigenic sin. It's a well known phenomenon immunology, and

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Speaker 3: they know it. They are just lying about this. It

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Speaker 3: more vaccine. And I don't know why they're doing it. Okay,

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Speaker 3: they could have done what the rest of the world did,

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Speaker 3: away from COVID vaccines except for elderly people. You know,

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Speaker 3: who are at high risk from COVID and who fran

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Speaker 3: likely have a lower you know, if something goes wrong,

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Speaker 3: more potential benefit and it's a less catastrophic risk if

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Speaker 3: the American public health authorities and the Biden administration are

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Speaker 3: data shows it's useless. And I do not understand it.

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Speaker 1: As bad as the decisions are on the COVID shot,

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Speaker 2: Is it Is it fair, Alex in your mind to

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Speaker 1: had made, basically, and so he chose not to have

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Speaker 1: her come back and speak at Michigan State again. It

432
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: was at that time that she then turned him into

433
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Speaker 1: Michigan State. And by the way, also another factor here.

434
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Speaker 1: A couple of months after this happened, she texted Happy

435
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: Father's Day to him, so that okay, your question, Okay,

436
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: all right, I got question. This is a crazy story.

437
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: I thought you would be blown away by this. This

438
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 1: is insane. Was she like her whole eye froze? I mean,

439
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 1: if this guy was there for thirty eight minutes thirty

440
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: six minute phone call night, she says she just.

441
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: Going solo the whole time, because that's a lot of

442
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 2: effort of it. We do three hours of radio a day.

443
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if I could pull off thirty six

444
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: minutes of dirty talk.

445
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Speaker 3: Was she eight?

446
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: He says that she enjoyed it. That's his position. Does

447
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: she claim was she silent?

448
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: Or was she because if she was, like, you know, yeah,

449
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,239
Speaker 2: like you're so strong, I'm just trying whatever, Like, what

450
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: is she even talking about?

451
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: I will give you what she said. They've done it

452
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: that they have that there's a twelve hundred by the way,

453
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: twelve hundred page investigation into this at Michigan State. And

454
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: I want to pull up the quote because I want

455
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Speaker 1: to get her quote right here. She says. Let's see,

456
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Speaker 1: I want to make sure that I get this right. Ali.

457
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: What is your reaction as a woman to I froze

458
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: and I couldn't turn off, that I couldn't hang up.

459
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: I asked my wife about this. She said, I would

460
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: I have no issues at all hanging up with you

461
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: at any point in time. Do you believe that she could?

462
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 1: She could have frozen. Here's what she said, By the way,

463
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: here's how the conversation. She said, she thought to herself,

464
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is happening. I can't stop it.

465
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Speaker 1: In the moment, she said, it didn't occur to her

466
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Speaker 1: to hang up. Eventually she said something. These are her quotes.

467
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: Eventually she said something along the lines of if you

468
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 1: do this, I don't ever want to hear about it.

469
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: We're only friends. That's it. When he finished, the coach

470
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: said thank you, good night, sweetheart. She responded yeah. Two

471
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: months later, she says that she He says, she sent

472
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Speaker 1: and I don't think it's disputed. Happy Father's Day. He

473
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: then cancels her speaking engagement on campus because he thinks

474
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: this has gone too far, and she then turns him

475
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: in and now he is going to lose potentially an

476
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: eighty million dollar contract job. Are we waiting for all? Yeah? Frozen?

477
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: You're frozen by this story. If you were on the jury,

478
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: and let's pretend that you're on the jury alley and

479
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: you here, because a lot of times women say, well

480
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that, but I don't want to judge

481
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: another woman for doing that, right, this is women are

482
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: more empathetic than men. I think a lot of men

483
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: are like, this is total bs. Okay. If you were

484
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Speaker 1: on the jury and she said, and I said, well,

485
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Speaker 1: why didn't you hang up? She basically says she froze

486
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: and the conversation lasted thirty six minutes and then she

487
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 1: texts Happy Father's Day later, Like, what is going on here?

488
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: Like from I think she liked him. There's evidence that

489
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: they had obviously a relationship that was going on for

490
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Speaker 1: some time. I think he decided, you know what, this

491
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: has gone too far, basically broke it off, and then

492
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Speaker 1: she decided to turn him in and try to extract revenge,

493
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: exact revenge in some way. Yeah, there is your analysis, Ali.

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Speaker 5: There's I have a lot of questions too. I'm with Buck.

495
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 5: I post midnight call thirty six minutes. Keep it going.

496
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 5: I'm not going to pretend to know what another woman

497
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 5: is experiencing and why she reacts one way. Whereas I

498
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 5: would probably am phone call. I wouldn't even be on

499
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Speaker 5: a phone call after midnight with somebody I work with.

500
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 5: That's just weird. But that's me.

501
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 3: I don't know.

502
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 5: There's so many more questions I have to really be

503
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 5: able to give you.

504
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: And was she she wasn't like his direct report, this

505
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: is important, that's important.

506
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: She made a Title nine complaint, which again feels very

507
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: vindictive to me. I don't think she actually qualifies as

508
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: a co employee. The only relationship she had, she has

509
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,719
Speaker 1: an independent business. She came as a vendor basically and

510
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: spoke to the football team.

511
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 2: So this is like, this is like the attractive woman

512
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: who's like selling handbags in the office and Michael Scott

513
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: decides that he's gonna buy all of her handbags.

514
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about the office. I mean, I can't

515
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: turn it off whenever it's on.

516
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, she shows up and he's like no, no, like,

517
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: let's let her lay out all of her handbags in

518
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: our conference room. And he like turns the place into

519
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: a showroom. She was a vendor and outside employee that.

520
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 3: She is not.

521
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: Yes, to your point, she's not his director report, she's

522
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: not somehow employed full time by Michigan State. She lives

523
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: in an entirely different part of the country. In fact,

524
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: the phone call from his end that is now in

525
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: question originated in Florida, and she was all the way

526
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: in Oregon. There is no suggestion that he ever touched

527
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: her or did anything physically inappropriate.

528
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Speaker 3: He is.

529
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is potentially going to be the most

530
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: expensive phone call in the history of maybe business period,

531
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: because it could cost him this thirty six minute phone

532
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: call eighty million dollars. You thought nine hundred numbers were expensive.

533
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: It's like two million dollars a minute. Over two million

534
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: dollars a minute.

535
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Speaker 2: I just he's got to have legal, you know, legal

536
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: recourse here to get his job back. I mean, this

537
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: is the craziest thing I've This is one of the

538
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: craziest stories in this kind.

539
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it when I read it. Buck And

540
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: and by the way, almost no one is saying this

541
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: is crazy because everybody is so terrified in sports media

542
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: of the whole me too, universe that if a woman

543
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: it's like the Kavanaugh case in many ways, if a

544
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: woman says something, there's a huge cadre of people out

545
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: there who may well not believe it, but they're afraid

546
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna end up the target if they question any

547
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: aspect of the story.

548
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: Fortunately, there's some of us out there who, just like

549
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: when Kavanaugh was being lied about, we will say that

550
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: woman is lying.

551
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: So in this case, she's not. She's just crazy.

552
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: It's just like the standard that distinction. I'm just saying,

553
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: this is crazy. She she didn't feel like coerced into

554
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: staying on a phone call. She's an adult. Give me

555
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: a break. This is the craziest thing I've ever heard.

556
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I can't tell you when I

557
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: get a telemarketer call. Imagine if I was like, I

558
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: couldn't the guy just my insurance and I stayed on

559
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: the phone for two hours and gave him all my money.

560
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: Like that's my fare. Here's my question also for people

561
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: out there, and I understand age may factor in here,

562
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: because I think the older you are, the more you

563
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Speaker 1: enjoy in general, talking on the telephone. Twenty seven calls

564
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: an average of thirty plus minute for each of those calls.

565
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: Like I don't know that I've talked to somebody one

566
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: on one for over thirty minutes on a phone call

567
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: in years. Like I can't even think of my wife,

568
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: my mom. I can't even think of the last person

569
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: that I would have talked to for over a half

570
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: hour on the phone.

571
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

572
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: I don't even like voicemails. Like when somebody leaves me

573
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: a voice message, I'm like, you couldn't have just texted me,

574
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: Like why do you have to leave me a voice

575
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: messal so I have to go listen to it and

576
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: then like try to get your number and figure out

577
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: what you said. Just text me like one sentence, like

578
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: instead of sending me leaving me a voicemail. So this

579
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: is crazy. This is going on, by the way, if

580
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Speaker 1: you want to react, to close out the show, eight

581
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Speaker 1: hundred and two eight two two eight eight two one

582
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Speaker 1: of the most bonker stories I have heard in a

583
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Speaker 1: long time. Potentially a phone sex call that costs eighty

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Speaker 1: million dollars because people have lost their minds.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we're closing up shop here, but mines are

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Speaker 2: still blown. On the show and all across the country

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Speaker 2: on this story about the what Michigan State.

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Speaker 1: Who Michigan State had football coach Mel Tucker, I think

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Speaker 1: is getting a rig job of all rig jobs, eighty

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Speaker 1: million dollar contract. He's being right now, he's suspended. The

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Speaker 1: expectation is he's going to be fired for an argument

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Speaker 1: that he had a non consensual phone sex call with

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Speaker 1: a woman who spoke at the Michigan State.

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Speaker 2: This reminds me of the worst of the the political

616
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 2: correctness era stuff that we saw back in the nineties.

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Speaker 2: Now we call it woke, it used to be PC

618
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Speaker 2: and it seemed that there was this period where there

619
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Speaker 2: was a period where even very minor stuff, you know,

620
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Speaker 2: if a woman was offended, everyone had to take it

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Speaker 2: super seriously and people were losing their jobs and everything

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Speaker 2: that canntinues with us, you know to this day in

623
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Speaker 2: some places, or at least with some organizations and entities.

624
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Speaker 2: But this one is to me. You know, adults have

625
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Speaker 2: to be able to exercise adult responsibility and a reasonable

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Speaker 2: man slash reasonable woman's standard.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and if.

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Speaker 2: You don't like the way a phone call is going,

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Speaker 2: unless the person can coerce you by saying stay on

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Speaker 2: the phone or I'll fire you, or stay on the

631
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 2: phone and I'll promote you, or something like that. But

632
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Speaker 2: if you just you know, met somebody, if you work

633
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Speaker 2: for a different company and you met somebody and they're

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Speaker 2: wanting to talk naughty, I think as an adult, you

635
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Speaker 2: have to be able to say, excuse me, sir, I

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Speaker 2: don't talk naughty, and then you hang up.

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Speaker 1: What about the idea of expanding consent to phone sex calls.

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Speaker 1: I mean, my mind is just blown by this in general,

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00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: and like and by the way, it's a retroactive recision

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Speaker 1: of her prior acceptance of the phone set.

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Speaker 2: I think when it comes to the verbal thing, like

642
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Speaker 2: if you stay on the call and you're engaging in

643
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Speaker 2: the call, you're consenting to the call.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand what no right, But I mean, like

645
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Speaker 1: it's one thing to say, like, okay, it was non

646
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 1: consensual sex. We now have a non consensual phone sex

647
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Speaker 1: that is costing somebody eighty million dollars. Well that you know,

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Speaker 1: in the case of the of the former, there's a

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Speaker 1: coercive aspect to it, right, So rather it's physical coercion, threats,

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Speaker 1: actual arches, consent in face to face interaction I'm.

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Speaker 2: Saying, right, yes, but if you're absent any kind of

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Speaker 2: coercion and the in the verbal context here, meaning like

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Speaker 2: that's what I said. If if it's stay on the

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Speaker 2: phone for the phone sex, that you're fired. Yeah, of

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Speaker 2: course you're a jerk. You should be sued, get fired,

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Speaker 2: all that stuff. But if you're like, yeah, this is

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Speaker 2: like sign me up for the sexy phone.

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Speaker 1: Time, I don't know. Mac clay on.

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Speaker 2: My mind is still blown after yesterday that Democrat state

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Speaker 2: Rep in Virginia who says that it's a sex against

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Speaker 2: her to say to share the video that she posted

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Speaker 2: online of herself doing sex things. Well, what is happening everybody?

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Speaker 2: What is happening both of these stories?

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Speaker 1: I mean, again, we talked about that Virginia story yesterday,

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Speaker 1: but this mel Tucker story, Like, I can't get over it.

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Speaker 1: Thirty six minute phone call that she now says is

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Speaker 1: non consensual and it's potentially gonna cost him eighty million

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Speaker 1: dollars over two million dollars a minute for that phone call.

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Speaker 1: I just and the fact that you can retroactively be like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't consent to that phone sex call that we

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Speaker 1: had eight months ago. What I just I can't believe

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Speaker 1: that we managed to create this expansive of an arena

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Speaker 1: where guy's gonna lose his job. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: total sham, but a lot of people listening on a

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Speaker 1: nine ten am agree back to you know, naughty stuff

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Speaker 1: in person is better than on the phone.