1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Ben Higgins and Ashley I bring you infamous. Sometimes roses 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: are red flags. 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Infamous, because sometimes roses are red flags. 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: This is Bob Guiney. I'm filling in for our lovely 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: hosts s Been and Ashley. 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 3: Uh. 7 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 2: This is part two of our interview with Chad Johnson. 8 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about Paradise. I know, you know, 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: you were obviously someone who I'm sure was a you know, 10 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: an immediate choice for the producers that we got to 11 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: have this guy on Paradise, and and that kind of 12 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: extends your you know, extends your fame obviously, but also 13 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: kind of puts you back in that in that headspace. 14 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 3: You know. 15 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: There's a couple of moments I remember, you know, Uh, 16 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: for example Lace on the show, a lot of people 17 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: mentioned that one as as moments where you know, did 18 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: you think she was trying to be genuine with you 19 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,319 Speaker 2: or did you think she was coming at you from 20 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: like a producer's putting it her up to it, or 21 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: what was your thoughts on that. 22 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 3: I kind of had two thoughts with her, which like 23 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 3: in one thought was like, oh, she knows she's crazy, 24 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 3: and like I like it, Like that's we're having fun. Yeah, 25 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 3: you know, like, okay, I like somebody that can let 26 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 3: loose because in that time, again, I was you know, 27 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 3: drinking and being wild and stupid, and I wanted somebody 28 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 3: that would do that with me that was kind of 29 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 3: like hey, partner in idiocrasy, and so that was great, 30 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 3: you know. I actually kind of was open to that. 31 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 3: But then in the other pocket as well, I was like, 32 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 3: this is great. We're gonna be the whole show like 33 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 3: a crazy girl. Like I was like, this is fantastic. 34 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 35 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 3: And I had had conversations with producers before I came 36 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 3: in because I had the opportunity like should I you know, 37 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: because by the end of like The Bachelorette, I was 38 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 3: gonna get like that's when I was getting bad, bad, 39 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 3: bad bad, And I talked to them like should I 40 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 3: go back to like can I go be me? Or 41 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 3: like do you want me to keep doing that? You know? 42 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 3: And they were like, you can dial it up if 43 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 3: you want, and I was like, okay, if I'm gonna 44 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: dialo it like so this everything that happened in Paradise 45 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 3: and not the specific things that happened, but it was 46 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: all like pre talked about, you know, it was all, hey, 47 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 3: I'm coming in, and I told them I'm gonna be 48 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: a nutcase first day, Like if this is what you want, 49 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be insane the first day, and I'm gonna 50 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 3: give you previews. You're gonna have great preview Like it 51 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 3: was kind of strategical, and I don't know if you're 52 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 3: supposed to be that strategical, but I was like, you're 53 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 3: gonna have great previews for the show, and so like, 54 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 3: let me help you, and then you help me. I'll 55 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: be crazy for the first episode. You'll get your great 56 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 3: contrailers and previews or you're gonna be able to use 57 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: and then I'll go back to being normal second day. 58 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 3: And then you guys like let me actually date, like 59 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 3: let me do what I want to do. You know, 60 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 3: we've been pushing me to be that character, you know. 61 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 3: And but yeah, the lace thing, I really thought we 62 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 3: had it and we were playing the role together and 63 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 3: it was like, hey, we're both gonna play this role 64 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 3: together and I actually kind of do really like you. 65 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, like just one minute, 66 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: she just snapped and turned and was like I'm not 67 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: like this. I'm like, what are you talking about? Like 68 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 3: we're doing this for like seven hours straight like we 69 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 3: have every time. So it was really confused. 70 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: So is she just going to on the rabbit hole 71 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 2: and then changed your mind or like, what do you think? 72 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 3: I think? So I think they. I think one of 73 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 3: the girls there must have talked to her. Maybe it 74 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 3: was a proud maybe someone was like, if you do 75 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 3: hang out with him, you're gonna look bad or something. 76 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 77 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 3: I don't know, but I mean I do know it 78 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 3: would have been in that like strategically to keep playing, 79 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 3: you know, the stupid thing we were doing, right, and 80 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 3: just gone to bed separately and then the next day 81 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 3: talked and had dinner and stuff and gone on the 82 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 3: flow with the show. But I felt abandoned, you know, 83 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 3: because I was oho, you know, in this alcoholic type episode, 84 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 3: because they gave me you know, well they didn't give me. 85 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: They handed me a bottle of Jack Daniels night half 86 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 3: the bottle before eight a m. That day. 87 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was that's that's not the Breakfast Champions necessarily, right. 88 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 3: No, So I couldn't remember anything, like literally I remember 89 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 3: stepping onto the beach. That was that was like that's it. 90 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: Everything else is literally in blackout mode. Yes, yeah, it 91 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: just didn't go as as planned and I'd change everything. 92 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 3: But again, it was one of those things where when 93 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 3: you're in the middle of you know, an alcohol problem, 94 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 3: probably yeah, going on a dating. 95 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: Show, and yeah, I mean there were some moments. 96 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: Obviously you had a couple of things, you know, you know, 97 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: and this might have been one of the previews you 98 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 2: were looking to give them, right, But you know, I'll 99 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 2: you know, you like y'all murder everybody on this thing 100 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: and your family and some stuff like that. I mean, 101 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 2: was that was that one of those moments. I mean, 102 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 2: that's a pretty intense thing to say. Did that ever 103 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: come back around to bite you, you know afterwards? I mean, like, 104 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: you know, obviously, I know you said it did emotionally 105 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 2: from the standpoint of dealing with all that stuff, But 106 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: I never have any like real life run ins with 107 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 2: people because of stuff you might have sat on television, 108 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: like somebody's family members or anything like that confront you 109 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 2: or anything like that. 110 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 3: No, So that that was me saying all that stuff. 111 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 3: That was just like me and my friends would try 112 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 3: to make the joke, like the worst possible jokes to 113 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 3: each other. Yeah, we were drinking or whatever, and so 114 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 3: that's what that and it did it. Honestly, that's a 115 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 3: good point. I kind of wanted to bring that up. 116 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 3: It really screwed me over because so I had a 117 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 3: girlfriend and and here's one thing. I don't know if 118 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 3: you ever heard, like I had a domestic violence thing 119 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 3: a few years ago. I had a girlfriend who said 120 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 3: that I hit her right, she had videos of me 121 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: yelling because I was drunk, and yeah, I did yell, 122 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 3: like you know, I was being an idiot yelling and 123 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 3: like hitting the door and stupid stuff like that. And 124 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 3: I don't even know when I was mad at but 125 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 3: I've never laid hands on a girl. But I played 126 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 3: that character and I said those things, so everyone automatically said, yes, 127 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: it must be true. I saw him be this way 128 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 3: on TV, so yes, he must have done it. No 129 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 3: one took two seconds to play skeptic at all. So 130 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 3: one hundred percent it's affected me. 131 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, where I. 132 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 3: Have to be extremely careful in relationships now because like, oh, 133 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 3: the bad boy did something bad, you know what I mean, 134 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 3: anyone can make up anything about me and people are 135 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 3: gonna be like, well, yeah, the bad boy did something bad, 136 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 3: and I'm like no, but I don't actually do anything 137 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 3: bad in real life. I just who's gonna who's gonna say, no, 138 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 3: we didn't. Everyone's gonna think you're the cool person. 139 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: Well with that, with that in mind, I mean when 140 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: people look back at the show and they you know, 141 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 2: obviously these clips are gonna be around forever, right, I 142 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: mean it's when when they when they look back at 143 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: the show, do you what do you wish they would 144 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 2: have seen, you know, in those moments, like you know, 145 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 2: if you had some of them to do all over again, 146 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 2: like you think about, you know, like the moment you 147 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 2: have with Sarah Harron for example. You know, I know 148 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: you later said you were disappointed in yourself for that. 149 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: I mean, if you had a minute to sit with 150 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: any of them and you know, what would you want 151 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: to say to them? 152 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 3: Well? I did find out, not not to like cover 153 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 3: myself or anything, but I didn't. They edited that SoundBite 154 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 3: of the arm thing in from a from a like 155 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 3: an interview I had with one of them. They made 156 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 3: it look like I said in front of the whole group, 157 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 3: which I didn't do. I didn't realize that till years later. 158 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,239 Speaker 3: But but yeah, just I mean the stuff I was saying, 159 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 3: you know, but I got caught, you know, like I 160 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 3: was making horrible jokes because again that's what I did 161 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 3: with my friends back home. And when I'm that many 162 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 3: drinks deep, you know, I started making those jokes again, 163 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 3: What's the worst thing I could possibly say? And I'm 164 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 3: sitting there with the producer that I thought was my friend. Yeah, 165 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 3: there's a can't you forget there's a massive camera and 166 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 3: an audio guy standing there, and you're making these horrible 167 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: jokes like you would to your friend, just just to 168 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 3: get a chuckle out of your friend, you know, something 169 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: you would never want the other person to say, especially 170 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 3: never want the entire country to hear. So, I mean, 171 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 3: if I could take it all back, the number one 172 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 3: thing I would do was just not drink that I 173 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 3: would that would People don't understand how much that would 174 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 3: have changed. I mean the whole my whole life would 175 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 3: be different if I didn't drink that day. I have 176 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 3: no idea where I would be, honestly. 177 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I understand me. It's a lot. I mean 178 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people say that. 179 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: You know, a lot of people become a different person 180 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: when they drink, and and you know that's one of 181 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 2: those things you hope that you hope you become a 182 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: kind or gentle version of yourself. 183 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: But you also can put yourself in a spot. 184 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: Where you know, but but you know, like you said, 185 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 2: you you wish you wouldn't have done it on national TV. 186 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: You wish you wouldn't have done it when all these 187 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: people were hearing you. Well, well a lot of those 188 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: same people will hear you now. So if you had 189 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: something you wanted to say to Sarah, to Lace or 190 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: to Jojo, you know, you can say it now and 191 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: they and they would hear it, and you know, you 192 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: could let them know that you know, you own those 193 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: moments and you you know, but you're also you know. 194 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: Aren't that guy or whatever or whatever you you know 195 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: might want to say. 196 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sorry, Sarah, I'm sorry, Lace, I'm sorry, Jojo, 197 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 3: I'm sorry for everything. You know. I mean, it's not this. 198 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 3: It's hard to apologize for the guy because it's so 199 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 3: long ago, you know, but me mean now, I'm so sorry, 200 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 3: but I wish I could take it all back. 201 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, man, I mean, I think it's one 202 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: of those things you go through some some phases in life, right, 203 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: and yours just happened to play out on national television 204 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: on a on a huge stage, and you know, it 205 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: is tough to take that back. But you know, I'm 206 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 2: sure they'll see that, and you know, who knows, maybe 207 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: it'll affect you guys when you get a chance to 208 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 2: to cross paths again, you know, in the future someday 209 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 2: if you do right. 210 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: So, I mean, if they came to. 211 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: You today and they were like, you know, hey, Chad, 212 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: we're going to do another version of Bachelor in Paradise. 213 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 2: It's going to be the villains. You know, uh, would 214 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: you what would you do? Like, would you would you 215 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: allow yourself to go back to that character or do 216 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: you think you'd or would you even do it? 217 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: I guess it's first and foremost. 218 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: And if so, would you allow yourself to go back 219 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: to that character or would you go back on and 220 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 2: be like, there is no way I'm gonna let myself 221 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 2: be edited like that guy there's I'm coming one hundred 222 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: percent from the heart. 223 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: You know, what would your choice be in that matter? 224 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 3: I don't think I could play that character anymore like it. 225 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 3: It would be too inauthentic at this point, you know, 226 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 3: if they ever wanted me to do something at this point, 227 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: now it would one hundred percent be like, you need 228 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 3: to let me be like, let me be regular, you know, 229 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 3: let me be good like I originally intended, you know, 230 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 3: And I just have to not let myself slip into 231 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 3: doing something. But you know, to be honest, I don't 232 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 3: think they would ever call, and I don't I don't 233 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 3: really have any need for that stuff anymore. 234 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I have to put you on to these 235 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 4: leggings I've been obsessed with lately. 236 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 5: They're from this brand called Tona, and get this, the 237 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 5: designer behind them also created Lulu Lemon, so they know 238 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 5: what they're doing. These leggings are next level, I think, 239 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 5: buttery soft, super flattering, and very comfortable. But they're also 240 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 5: very supportive in the right places. 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Or you know, you 260 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: got a lot of choices to make in those moments. 261 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 3: I'm sure, I mean I would it would be I 262 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 3: guess there's there would be some positive to it, you know. 263 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 3: Like so for the most part I the last ten 264 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 3: years now, I just keep to myself because I never 265 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 3: know what people are thinking of me because or what 266 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 3: show did they see, or you know, which seemed to remember. 267 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 3: You know, because I've had people where I'm nice to them, 268 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 3: a nice to them for an hour and a half 269 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 3: and then they're just like, you know, at the end 270 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 3: of the time, I'm like, what, like you're mad because 271 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 3: the show six years ago, you know, like, yeah, we 272 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 3: just had a great time, so it's weird. 273 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 1: I was going to ask you that. 274 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 2: I was going to ask you if you've ever had 275 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 2: you know, I heard about a few people like having 276 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: experiences with them be at a bar and someone will 277 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: throw a beer at them and they're like, what is 278 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 2: going on? 279 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: You know, I was. 280 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: I was wondering if that ever was an experience that 281 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: you had, because you know, some people, they might have 282 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 2: that image of you in their head and not even 283 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: give you a chance to, you know, possibly show them otherwise. 284 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 3: I've probably had, I mean a dozen times where I'm with, 285 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: you know, a girlfriend and I'm you know, at a 286 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 3: restaurant or a bar, and I go to the bathroom 287 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 3: and either a girl or an old lady or somebody 288 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 3: will come up to my girlfriend and say you need 289 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 3: to get away from him. You know, yeah he's crazy, 290 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 3: and it's like and it got to the point where 291 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 3: I'm like, like, let me know which one comes up 292 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 3: and says something, you know, just just because I'm going 293 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 3: to be curious, you know, right right to the point 294 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 3: where I go talk to these people and be like, 295 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 3: why'd you do that like, you know, you're watching a 296 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: TV show, right, Like you're not gonna go yell at 297 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,599 Speaker 3: Dwight from the office. 298 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: Right right. 299 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: I think I think in that regard, you know, people 300 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: people see a reality show and and to them that 301 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 2: is reality, you know, and not realizing it's a television 302 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 2: show that is produced and everything else. 303 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: And so you know, I mean, I guess I could. 304 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 2: See the confusion, but I also, you know, can see 305 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 2: it from from the standpoint of hey me, and that 306 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: was ten years ago, and you know, yeah, I did 307 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: some crazy stuff on that show, but I'm trying. 308 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: To own it now. I mean, it would be hard. 309 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: It'd be really hard. 310 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: I would think to you know, taking it on your 311 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: word that you're a totally different guy now, I obviously 312 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 2: don't know you, so I would say, taking in on 313 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 2: your word that you are, it would have to be 314 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: really difficult to have people still throwing stuff at you 315 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 2: from ten years ago that you might not even remember 316 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 2: having done, right, given the circumstances. 317 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 3: All the time. And I mean, I guess the one 318 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 3: thing I couldn't imagine is like all the guys that 319 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 3: got out of the show, right, and they either had 320 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 3: a good portrayal or they you know, they stuck to 321 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 3: their their guns and they just stayed true to themselves. 322 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 3: You know, like that had to be so crazy to 323 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 3: like to go out and you know people are thinking 324 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 3: positively of you, you know what I mean, just to 325 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 3: like you go out to a local restaurant, like when 326 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 3: I go out anywhere, Like I just went to, you know, 327 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 3: with my father yesterday. We went and had lunch sitting 328 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 3: in a restaurant, and I like, see, you know, some 329 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 3: girls looking at me, and I'm like, they think I'm 330 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 3: an asshole. They probably think I'm an asshole. Like they're 331 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 3: probably thinking. 332 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: What's going to be hard? That's that's gotta be hard 333 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: moving in. 334 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 3: Oklahoma or you know, like yeah, yeah, but like that 335 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 3: every time, like every interaction all the time until I 336 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 3: get some form of like comfort. So I've been keeping 337 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 3: myself for a decade. 338 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: You know, so right, I just I get it. 339 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 3: That's tough, you know, don't think that way. 340 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean when you look back on it too, 341 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: you know, if you had to, if you had to 342 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: think about it from on a zero to one hundred scale, 343 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 2: you know, what percentage of your actions and your words 344 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: and your you know, responses, I guess your emotional responses. 345 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 2: Do you think we're influenced by the producers on that 346 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 2: show from a zero to one hundred scale. 347 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 3: I mean I think it was once there was the producer, 348 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 3: so it was from like episode one or two. Basically, 349 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 3: once the producers influenced that, Hey, we want you to 350 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 3: go this direction and we want to see more of 351 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 3: this side of you, then I didn't need really that much, 352 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: you know what I mean influencing. Yeah, you were just going, yeah, 353 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. 354 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 6: But but I wouldn't beyond you know what I mean, 355 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 6: that same path, Like yeah, so it's like from what 356 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 6: I actually would do to where I you know what 357 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 6: it was is huge, but it didn't it didn't. 358 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 3: Require any producer, you know, interruption. But also I wouldn't 359 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 3: even be in let's say this entire like like i'd 360 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 3: be in an argument, or i'd be in you know, uh, 361 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 3: just just in the middle of a scene or something. 362 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 3: And I'm like you, I wouldn't be here had it 363 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 3: not happened three weeks ago or six months ago, that 364 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 3: you know, we split into this of this direction. 365 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm curious to you like that 366 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 2: kind of like that I guess it was sort of 367 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: like the swan song for you on the show. But uh, 368 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: you know the final interview you had with Chris Harrison 369 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: and and you know, I'm Bachelor in Paradise when he 370 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: was like, Okay, it's time to leave, you know what 371 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: that had to be. I would imagine that was probably 372 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: the because Chris was obviously the one, you know, staple 373 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: of the show every season up until that point. You know, 374 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: you know was that one that resonates a lot with 375 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: fans to this day. 376 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, people like that one that To be honest, though, 377 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 3: if you if you compare these two things, you'll immediately 378 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 3: make the connection. But if you've seen me spounding down 379 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 3: Kenny Powers, yeah that's all I did. I just before 380 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 3: I went on the show, I watched like episodes over 381 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 3: and over and over in case I needed to keep 382 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 3: that character as a backup. And so the moment they 383 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 3: told me they were kicking me off, I was like, 384 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 3: all right, well, I know that that character is popular 385 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 3: over here and it's doing well. I could just play 386 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 3: that character here and then will you know what I mean? 387 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 3: And so it was like it was my hail Mary 388 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 3: as like you're kicking me off. Let me give one 389 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 3: best like last big little fireworks show. 390 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, well I was that it happened you were 391 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: able to do that. It was definitely there. 392 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 2: I mean, it's one of those things I think, you know, 393 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: especially now where there's so many seasons of the show, 394 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 2: you know, there are some standout moments over the years, 395 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 2: for better or for worse, right, and. 396 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: You never think about it. 397 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 2: Although oddly enough, it was the first thing I thought 398 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 2: of when when I found out I was going to 399 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 2: get to talk to you was I was like, man, 400 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 2: I wonder how this has affected him over the years, 401 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 2: because I can't imagine it's been easy to live that down, 402 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 2: especially you know with like you say that that isn't 403 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 2: who you feel you you. 404 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: Are, but you're kind of that's. 405 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 2: Going to live in people's head rent free for a 406 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 2: really long time. 407 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,479 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know. I mean, I'll tell you one thing, 408 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 3: you know, Like, the one thing that's taught me is 409 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 3: that no one like you could say anything to me. 410 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 3: I won't get upset. No one can make me upset, 411 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 3: like at all, because I have seen I have heard 412 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 3: the worst things a human can possibly hear, day in 413 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 3: day out, hundreds of comments a day, people in person. 414 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 3: So after just years of that, I'm just like a 415 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 3: stone wall, which is kind of like a superpower in 416 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 3: a way, because I choose. I choose when I'm happy, 417 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 3: I choose when I'm sad, I choose when I'm upset, 418 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 3: Like no one can affect me anymore. 419 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: But has that been I mean, did you seek therapy? 420 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 2: Did you go to see somebody? And like, I mean, 421 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 2: is this all self? Yeah? I mean there's no shame 422 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 2: in that game. Man, I'm just curious, you know, I 423 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 2: think I would have for sure. 424 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 3: I went to probably three or fourth therapy. I've read 425 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 3: probably five dozen books, I guess. You know, then just 426 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 3: spend hundreds thousands of hours just meditating, watching whether YouTube 427 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 3: videos and on you know, spirituality and trying to find 428 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 3: God and trying to find meaning and what was the 429 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 3: point of all this? And why did this happen? Am 430 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 3: I supposed to become stronger? 431 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: Like? 432 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 3: Is that? Why did I put myself in this position 433 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 3: for this? You know what I mean? 434 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? 435 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 3: Did I bring this on myself on purpose? 436 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 2: You know? 437 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 3: It's like, so I don't blame anyone or anything. It's 438 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 3: like I definitely put myself here for some reason, whether 439 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 3: I like it, or not, because when they when they 440 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 3: start trying to push this character, I could have gone, 441 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 3: you know, the other way, right right, but I didn't. 442 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: So you made the choice, right, You made the choice. 443 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 2: You went with it and got the good, the good 444 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 2: of it, which I guess was a lot of at 445 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 2: that time anyway, a lot of camera time, and then 446 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 2: you got the bad of it, which as a result 447 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 2: of that camera time, you got a lot of backlash 448 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 2: and a lot of tough years, tough years that you 449 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 2: had to with some stuff, right, kind. 450 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 3: Of like that. You know, the people that inherit a 451 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 3: lot of money randomly when they're a kid, they never 452 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 3: really appreciate it, that type of thing, and they never 453 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 3: get to learn the desperation that it takes to like 454 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 3: build a successful business. I put I forced myself into 455 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 3: desperation through the turmoil and trauma that I had to take. 456 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 3: And I forced myself to go through a decade of 457 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 3: trauma by putting myself into that character, playing that role 458 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 3: and taking heat for it. And so now the things 459 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 3: that I know, the things that I forced myself to 460 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 3: study and with meditating and God and spirituality and just 461 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 3: learning and learning business and have to take care of 462 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 3: myself because no shows are calling and no business will 463 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 3: take me because I couldn't work a job, any job 464 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 3: I was going to work. All I was going to 465 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,719 Speaker 3: do is end up talking about the show, you know, right, 466 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 3: So you got a way to make money online. Yeah, 467 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 3: that's why my life has been and I think it's 468 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 3: got me to a better place. It took a very 469 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 3: long time. It wasn't fun, but I'm happy I'm here now. 470 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 2: You know. 471 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,959 Speaker 3: I think it's made me a much stronger person than 472 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 3: I would have been had I not put myself into 473 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 3: that terrible of position. Right still would go back and 474 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 3: change it. 475 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I understand, I understand. I mean it's it's definitely. Uh, 476 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 2: it's interesting to hear you talk about it. And I mean, 477 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 2: I'm sure you know. 478 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: I I don't. 479 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 2: I don't pretend to, you know, to know you or 480 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 2: your family, but I'm sure you know you set out 481 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 2: to make your mom proud, right by going on television 482 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 2: and and doing that stuff, And you know, she'd probably 483 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 2: be a lot more proud of the person you are 484 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 2: right now from all the work you've done on yourself then, 485 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 2: you know, just from having been on television. And I 486 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: don't know you so I hope you don't take offense 487 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,239 Speaker 2: to me saying that, but you know, you can tell 488 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 2: you've done some work, you know, and that's tough to do, man, 489 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 2: it's a tough. 490 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: Thing to do. 491 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's been a long road. 492 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I really appreciate you coming on and talking 493 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 2: to us today. Thank you for being a part of 494 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 2: the show. I think, you know, like you said, you 495 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: you you you know, hopefully this opportunity to kind of 496 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: air some stuff out will make you feel a little 497 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: better about you know, the experiences that you've had and 498 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 2: and you know, it's not an easy road to get anywhere, right, 499 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 2: the the journey is always uh you know, the fruit 500 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 2: right that everyone thinks the destination is the most important part, 501 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 2: but it's getting there that's the tough work. 502 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 3: Work, yeah, with the destination, but the journey on this 503 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 3: last last night. 504 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, well you put in the work, man, and uh, 505 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 2: you know, I wish you the very best and and 506 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 2: and thank you so much for making time for us 507 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: and and for being you know, for being vulnerable and 508 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 2: being willing to talk about this stuff. I'm sure it's 509 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 2: not easy. 510 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, Thanks Bob. 511 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 2: Thanks, You're welcome, man, all Right, we'll take care of Chad. 512 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 2: Thanks for being on Infamous Man. We appreciate it all right. 513 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 3: Thank you. Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous 514 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 3: podcast on iHeartRadio, or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.