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Speaker 1: the guy, Okay, well you've got the money to go

429
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Speaker 1: do it and go make that decision. And as a

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Speaker 1: fan as a supporter, I'm not gonna tell you how

431
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Speaker 1: to think. But no idea is too crazy. If all

432
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Speaker 1: of a sudden you think that this is not what

433
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Speaker 1: I think. But if all of a sudden you think

434
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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson is the answer, this will be the offseason

435
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Speaker 1: to go get the guy like that. You know it

436
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: may not be the right answer, but just think big.

437
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 1: Let the decision makers make those decisions the right way.

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Speaker 1: Nothing is out of bounds this year. And for the record,

439
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Speaker 1: I also am going to force myself out and play

440
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Speaker 1: left tackle. I'm playing left tackle. Well, you'd make five

441
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Speaker 1: million more dollars a year, so time the young millennial,

442
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Speaker 1: and I say, go get your money. Take that, John

443
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Speaker 1: old Man, get off my launch line. All right, A

444
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: strong strong point. Uh. And you know, for Meyer who

445
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Speaker 1: talked about JP, the perfect situation to bring him back

446
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Speaker 1: into coaching. That's it. I mean, you've got an owner

447
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: who who's naturally predisposed to being aggressive. He likes to

448
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: make a splash, and not just a splash, but the

449
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: largest video boards in the world, and not just a hotel,

450
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: but the four seasons. Right, So in anything that he does,

451
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: he wants to go big. So you got the first

452
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Speaker 1: pick and all the draft everything we've talked about. Um, So,

453
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Speaker 1: I mean I have every sense that's what they're gonna do. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, it used to be you talked about, you know,

455
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Speaker 1: guarding the cap and the draft picks and the resources,

456
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Speaker 1: and you know, you go from one and fifteen to

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Speaker 1: you know, five and ten, five and eleven and six

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Speaker 1: and ten, and then the next year, you know, you

459
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Speaker 1: make your playoff running. You build it slowly. I don't

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Speaker 1: see the sense that they're looking at it in the

461
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: old paradigm anymore. They can win. I think they think

462
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Speaker 1: they can win faster than a lot of people think

463
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Speaker 1: they can win in today's NFL, with all the methods

464
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Speaker 1: that are available to you. Why not think that way?

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Speaker 1: I suppose does he better win in the years that

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Speaker 1: you have because you might not have many years after that?

467
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Speaker 1: The soil is here, so why not when this it'll

468
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: be tougher then? But why not then? Why waste a

469
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Speaker 1: year building to do all you can to try to

470
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Speaker 1: get it right now? John? When we first got started

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Speaker 1: with this thing, Tom Coffin always used to talk about you,

472
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Speaker 1: and he was never a patient coach. But understanding the

473
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Speaker 1: stages of building a thing, you know, uh, four and twelve,

474
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Speaker 1: seven and nine tenants cks right, and you had to

475
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Speaker 1: be patient and understand the curb for a football team

476
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Speaker 1: and what JP is essentially saying, and we've seen if

477
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Speaker 1: you have the right quarterback, you can flatten the curve Yeah,

478
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Speaker 1: I'm not anticipating that because I think there are things

479
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Speaker 1: depth wise, and I think some of what Urban is

480
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Speaker 1: teaching will automatically take time because it's going to be

481
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Speaker 1: a culture change. But if it all clicks, then there's

482
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Speaker 1: no reason you can't get a lot better really fast

483
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Speaker 1: because you should have a much higher level from the

484
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Speaker 1: main position, which is quarterback. So that's gonna get you

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Speaker 1: a long way. All right, here's my big thing. I'll

486
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Speaker 1: throw it at you real quick, and John, it kind

487
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Speaker 1: of plays into what you were talking about. Uh, someone

488
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Speaker 1: has to say no to the Deshaun Watson's and and

489
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Speaker 1: last week the Russell Wilson thing. You know, Um, when

490
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Speaker 1: a quarterback signs that massive contract and what did he getting?

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Speaker 1: Four years, a hundred and fifty million dollars. You're not

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Speaker 1: just a quarterback. You're the cornerstone and you're getting a

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Speaker 1: level of financial security that that very very few human

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Speaker 1: beings ever get. The trade off there is that the

495
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Speaker 1: team could build around you. They're getting quarterback security, you're

496
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Speaker 1: getting financial security. You can't just take your ball and

497
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Speaker 1: go home when you decide you don't like things. You

498
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Speaker 1: can't have it both ways. You can't have both professional

499
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Speaker 1: flexibility and financial security. If you're a quarterback. Now, the

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Speaker 1: Orlando Brown thing, it's kind of like the Jalen Ramsey thing.

501
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Speaker 1: Those positions are important. There are two of the five

502
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Speaker 1: premium positions, but not like quarterback. And and I didn't

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Speaker 1: like Watson's young his agents, David Molghetta. We know what

504
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Speaker 1: Molghetta's game plan is. He tries to force the issue,

505
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Speaker 1: and it worked with Jalen, so why wouldn't he think

506
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Speaker 1: he could try the same thing with a franchise that's

507
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Speaker 1: in disarray. Um, but it's not the same thing for

508
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Speaker 1: the quarterback. It's just not And it's not good for

509
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Speaker 1: the league to have these franchise quarterbacks hop scotching around.

510
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Speaker 1: You want franchise stability. You want every franchise to find

511
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Speaker 1: their quarterback, have their guy, and be able to compete

512
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Speaker 1: weekend and week out. You don't want Russell Wilson playing

513
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Speaker 1: in l A one year and two years later playing

514
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Speaker 1: in Washington. You want Russell Wilson playing for the Seattle Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: I get a guy like Tom Brady the end of

516
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Speaker 1: his career, but for the main years of his career,

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Speaker 1: you want Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. You don't want

518
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Speaker 1: him shifting going to Houston. So it's better for the league,

519
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Speaker 1: it's better for the franchises, and financially, it's better for

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Speaker 1: the players. To just dig in a little bit and

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Speaker 1: understand you're part of the program. Now, you're not just

522
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Speaker 1: the quarterback. Spoken like a true old man. But you

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Speaker 1: don't agree that that that's so critical. You know you're

524
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Speaker 1: gonna build, and you're gonna go draft and spend free

525
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: agent dollars around these guys. You you can't have those guys.

526
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Speaker 1: I can handle it from some of the others, though

527
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Speaker 1: I didn't like the way Jalen did it. But those quarterbacks,

528
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: you gotta stay put. You gotta understand the game the

529
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Speaker 1: way that he's played in the bordroom and by the

530
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Speaker 1: way the trade off there is. If you're going to

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Speaker 1: do that, maybe you say that Shawn, Hey, come in

532
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Speaker 1: real quick. What do you like what What did you

533
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: like about Bill O'Brien, What didn't you like about it?

534
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: What do you like about the kind of head coach?

535
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Speaker 1: I mean, what what would work for this team? You

536
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: have your thumb on the heartbeat of the team. You know,

537
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: take a little bit of input. You're not gonna make

538
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Speaker 1: the decision. We're not promising you who we're going to get,

539
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: but we'll listen to you because you're you're like a

540
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: coach in the sense that you're very very important. UM

541
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Speaker 1: and I do a little bit more of that again,

542
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: not making the decision, but tell us what you want.

543
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: I hope that's not on because it seems like there

544
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: is a lot of disarray there, hence what he wants

545
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: to leave. So hopefully for his sake, those conversations they're

546
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: being had. I actually prefer Houston struggling. I appreciate it,

547
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: embrace the petty it does for a long time. Guess what.

548
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: It's a two way street though. Yeah. Well, and and

549
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: we can talk about the ad nausea. But if the

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Speaker 1: Colts still find a quarterback, they might struggle a bit too.

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Speaker 1: There might be an opening here in this UH in

552
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Speaker 1: this a f C South, But let's go on to

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Speaker 1: UH to everyone asks, which you know, formerly and in

554
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Speaker 1: drag time is known as Ashlyn asks. But in this

555
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Speaker 1: way we bring a question. This week, Ashlyn is putting

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Speaker 1: her thirty second timer on it. I'll started out, okay,

557
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: and it should the Jaguars just get on with him

558
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Speaker 1: and say we are taking Trevor Lawrence because the team

559
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Speaker 1: of the number one pick, you can go ahead and

560
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: make the pick now and negotiate. Now. We saw it

561
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Speaker 1: in two thousand six with Mario Williams and the running

562
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: back from the USC, Reggie um Um yeah, Reggie Bush. Right.

563
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: They were negotiating with both of them and they got

564
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: a contract deal done. They said, all right, we're taking

565
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: Mark Williams, the pass rusher from North Carolina State. So

566
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Speaker 1: should the drag Wars just send a press release now?

567
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: Drag Wars announced on April nine they will take Trevor

568
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Speaker 1: Lawrence and just get rid of all the drama. Thirty

569
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Speaker 1: seconds JP, go for it. Uh No, not right now.

570
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: They should go through the due diligence of the other

571
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: top quarterbacks. Go to the Ohio State Pro Day. Look

572
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: at Justin Fields, go to b y U if you

573
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: want for the heckup it, look at Zach Wilson. Then

574
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Speaker 1: after that say we're taking Trevor Lawrence. But no, they

575
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Speaker 1: should not do it right now. John didn't. Didn't they

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Speaker 1: essentially do that when urban Meyer told Jane Slater that

577
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Speaker 1: he was on the phone and told Trevor how he

578
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: should do his prodect, you would say, does account for

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Speaker 1: my thirty seconds? Hurry up? Okay, Uh, you would think

580
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Speaker 1: it does. Although what I don't know, was there a

581
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Speaker 1: FaceTime call or they looked justin fields in I don't know,

582
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Speaker 1: you know, so maybe they were all talking, so who knows.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they should yet. I think they should

584
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Speaker 1: wait until they look at the two pro days, the

585
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Speaker 1: other quarterbacks they're looking for. And I think that's what

586
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: they will do, because in the NFL, you don't do

587
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: anything until you have to. Urban Meyer had his keys

588
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: in his hand. He was on the starting line with

589
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Speaker 1: his brand new race car Trevor Lawrence last week. Uh

590
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Speaker 1: should they just go ahead and start the engine and

591
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: let everybody know this is their car? It was a

592
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Speaker 1: test drive. But no, because they don't have to. They

593
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: don't care what we think, they don't care what America thinks.

594
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Speaker 1: They're gonna do it the way they want to do it.

595
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: And like John said, they don't have to. And I

596
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: guarantee that they're gonna be at Ohio States Pro Day

597
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: and Erman Matter will be standing where he was standing

598
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Speaker 1: for Trevor Lawrence. Just to throw some drama into the mix,

599
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: and then we're all gonna come back on this podcast

600
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: and say why was he standing so close and just

601
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: to have some fun with it. He's not going to

602
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: do that, all right, there's my question, JP e'uroupe Matt

603
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: Ashlyn Wins, by the way, because that's the most accurate

604
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: statement we've heard in all these podcasts we've done. They

605
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: don't care what we think, they don't care what America things.

606
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: They're gonna do what they want to do and how

607
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: they want to do it. Like that, before you go

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00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: to your question, the reason why I would do it

609
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: because I would have fun with it, right And I look,

610
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: if I can do that, if I'm telling the world,

611
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: all right, here's our playbook, treas, here's what we're working

612
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: on for you right. Oh, by the way, send the

613
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 1: owners plane and uh, let's go to Grease and hang

614
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: out on the boat for a couple of days and

615
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: get to know each other a little bit, you know.

616
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'd start engaging in that relationship right away

617
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: and letting it be known. Hey, everyone else, you can

618
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: start working on number two. Number one is here. I

619
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Speaker 1: want my mindset, my staff mindset, and the quarterbacks mindset

620
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: all to be on Jacksonville. I think there's value in that,

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Speaker 1: but I understand why you will wouldn't. Okay, JP, You're

622
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: up next. Here's mine. It's college heavy. After Clemson put

623
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: out all those deep ball highlights the other day on

624
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: social media, and then we saw Trevor Lawrence do his

625
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: thing and his person pro day. What is the best

626
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: play or player or combo of both that you saw

627
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: in college football this year? Ashland, start us off. You're

628
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: gonna be so surprised. I'm going Kyle Pitt's tight end

629
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: Florida uncoverable. This is a mismatch nightmare. Zero drops on

630
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: sixty five targets. You're gonna have to trade up to

631
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Speaker 1: go get him. Daniel Jeremiah has him mock draft right now,

632
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: twelve to the Niners. But this tight end position has

633
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: been such a disarray for so many years. Go get

634
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: a guy that has proven to do it at the

635
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: college level. Trade up form, you gotta love and picks

636
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Speaker 1: make it happen. You can line up anywhere. I like it, John,

637
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: what do you got? Well? I guess I've gotta go

638
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: with anybody from Alabama because they had all the good

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Speaker 1: players this year. Um, you know the wide receiver Davante

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Speaker 1: Smith I mean was unbelievable in the times I saw him.

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Speaker 1: I don't follow the college game incredibly closely where I

642
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Speaker 1: don't want a hundred programs, but to me, his playing

643
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Speaker 1: the National champions the game is like a video game.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it. I don't quite know

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Speaker 1: how that translates to the NFL and a couple of

646
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Speaker 1: receivers who were probably translate over him, but he was

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Speaker 1: also good. What do you got? I was gonna go

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Speaker 1: to Vonte Smith because anytime I saw him on the field,

649
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Speaker 1: I thought I was watching Marvin Harrison, you know, I mean,

650
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Speaker 1: the slender receiver that no one could cover. Uh And

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Speaker 1: and pitch is a good call, um, Trevor Lawrence. I mean,

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Speaker 1: anytime he had the ball in his hands and I

653
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Speaker 1: wanted to see it. I'll go with the running back

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Speaker 1: from Notre Dame just to be different. Uh And I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's coming out to be a pro this year.

656
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Speaker 1: But but what you think was a sophomore, um, I

657
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Speaker 1: thought he was really interesting. You know, about about a

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Speaker 1: five eleven guy two ten pounds. Um. I just remember thinking,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is a guy with a great nose

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Speaker 1: for the ball. That's it. Your time's up. The correct

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Speaker 1: answer is not j Harris, Alabama running back who put

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Speaker 1: yards twenty six rushing touchdowns this year four more through

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Speaker 1: the year. But the most exciting play was in the

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Speaker 1: semifinal game against Notre Dame when he hurtled over the

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Speaker 1: man and then ran for another thirty yards down the field.

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Speaker 1: He's heard all over guys before, but that one just

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Speaker 1: blew my mind. That was the play of the year

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, in college football. It told you everything

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Speaker 1: that you needed to know about what Alabama had done

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Speaker 1: that year. Fair enough, All right, Ashley, how about you? Alright,

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Speaker 1: here's something for you. We were talking about defensive alignments.

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Speaker 1: What are they gonna run at three four or four three?

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Speaker 1: How will Joe Schobert adapt if it is a three

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Speaker 1: four because fun fact, he's never played in that system before.

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Speaker 1: He played enough four to five in Cleveland. Joe Schobert's

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Speaker 1: big free agent last year. How will he adapt if

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Speaker 1: they do end up changing it, John, You'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that he's an ideal three four insidelinebacker, um,

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Speaker 1: but I think if you're playing it'll be he and

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Speaker 1: Miles Jack inside, and I think he'll be fine. I

681
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: think overall, you would love to have a touch more

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Speaker 1: stoutness in there. Three or four inside is a little

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Speaker 1: less side to side, and you don't have to have

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Speaker 1: quite the unbelievable sideline mobility and mobility. So I think

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Speaker 1: he'd be okay. I don't know if he'd be ideal,

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Speaker 1: but the play well in it, I think. I think

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Speaker 1: it depends on who the nose tackle is. If the

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Speaker 1: nose tackle can eat up one of the guards and

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Speaker 1: give him room to run. I think for the very

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00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 1: same reason. Uh my favorite three four linebacker, which Levon

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00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: kirkwod he was two undred seventy five pounds right him

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Speaker 1: going forward taking on a guard was a fair fight. Um.

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Speaker 1: I don't think either one of these guys are necessarily

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Speaker 1: big enough to take on guards and jam things in

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Speaker 1: the hole. So I think both of them are a

696
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Speaker 1: little bit miscast as the true Micah Shaq Corterman's the

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Speaker 1: guy on the roster that looks like a true inside linebacker.

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Speaker 1: They're both capable guys. I think they'd be good. So

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Speaker 1: for me, I think at all a lot of it

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Speaker 1: not all of it depends on the money they've paid him.

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Speaker 1: Guess what he's going to be on the field because

702
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: of the money going out to him. Three four four,

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00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: three five to whatever alignment you want to put out there.

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00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: They will find a role for Joe Schulbert and he

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Speaker 1: will go play and he'll make some plays like he

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Speaker 1: did last season. He did he was an effective football

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Speaker 1: player for a defense that struggled last year. Let's say that.

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Speaker 1: But he'll be on the field three four four three,

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Speaker 1: They'll find a place for him. Um, how are your

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Speaker 1: depths to three four? Go play? All right? That brings

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Speaker 1: us to you, John, You were last up with Everyone asks, well,

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Speaker 1: I try to make it timely. They hired coaches last week,

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Speaker 1: So my question is what question would you like most

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Speaker 1: asking assistant coach when we started talking to him. Uh?

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Speaker 1: Mine was I want to ask war Hoop about Cam

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Speaker 1: Robinson and get a real answer, just to see what

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Speaker 1: that's going. We want to talk about that one, JP,

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Speaker 1: What question do you want to ask an assistant I

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Speaker 1: want to ask Brian Schottenheimer what exactly a passing game

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Speaker 1: coordinator does that would be different from the offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not being Snyder about that. I'm just curious.

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Speaker 1: It's a fairly new phenomenon football to have a passing

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Speaker 1: game coordinator. It feels like a quarterback coach to me,

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Speaker 1: but he has a coordinator title. He and Bevil will

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Speaker 1: be involved. How do you guys work together on a

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Speaker 1: day to day basis to get things right for the

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Speaker 1: quarterback room? That would be my question I want to

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Speaker 1: ask Darryl Bebel and I wanted to ask this in

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Speaker 1: the press comments. My little hand was up on the

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Speaker 1: zoom call. They didn't pick on me. How does he

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Speaker 1: feel about his wide receivers? If he feel like he

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Speaker 1: has a true number one ride wide receiver in DJ

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Speaker 1: Chark or does he feel like he has a number

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Speaker 1: of wide receivers If he doesn't have a number one,

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Speaker 1: does he feel like he needs to go get one

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Speaker 1: in free agencies? He the type of guy that likes

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Speaker 1: a lot of contribution from multiple players or does he

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Speaker 1: want that true number one Julio Jones type of guy.

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Speaker 1: That's what I want to know, and I go with

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Speaker 1: Bob Sutton. I want to talk about the secondary uh

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Speaker 1: in particular, I want to talk about safety, and I

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Speaker 1: want to know about Daniel Thomas. Now, he didn't get

743
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Speaker 1: to see a lot of last year's sixth round pick,

744
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Speaker 1: but I as you know was very impressed in the

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Speaker 1: four or five games that we got to see him.

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Speaker 1: So I'd like to have a broad conversation about how

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Speaker 1: he's going to use the safety position, because look, we

748
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: all know with mobile quarterbacks in this day and age,

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Speaker 1: you need a safety who can run sideline to sideline.

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Speaker 1: There the X factory in stopping someone like a Lamar Jackson.

751
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: So how do you use it? And what do you

752
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: think about Daniel Thomas? And that wraps up. Everyone asks you,

753
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: like the thirty second slander, you think it should be

754
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: more like forty five. Let's keep timely, all right, We're

755
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: just about done with this edition of the Jaguars Reporters.

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Speaker 1: One thing left to do, and that is here from someone,

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Speaker 1: someone that one of us talked to every week we

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Speaker 1: call it. Did you hear this? I got the chance

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00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: to run down a guy that you won't know pretty well,

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Speaker 1: Matt Miller, who used to be with Bleacher Report now

761
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Speaker 1: is the Draft Scout his own website. And we talked

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Speaker 1: about Trevor Lawrence and his evaluation, not just a Lawrence,

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Speaker 1: but Meyer because he watches a lot of college take

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Speaker 1: How do you think the whole thing with Urban Meyer

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Speaker 1: and Trevor Lawrence is gonna blend together. He's the best

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Speaker 1: quarterback I've ever evaluated. And it's it's just a simple, Brian,

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00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: it really is. And you know I say that, and

768
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: people think that that means he's going to be better

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Speaker 1: than Patrick Mahomes in the NFL. It doesn't quite mean that.

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Speaker 1: It's more so that when evaluating a player, you look

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Speaker 1: at basically what they can do and then what question

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Speaker 1: marks you might have about them. And so with Trevor Lawrence,

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Speaker 1: the things that he can do, that's a laundry list, right.

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00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he has everything you want. Arm strength

775
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 1: is while not I wouldn't say it's three plus signs,

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00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: it's probably two. It's really good. The accuracy is is

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00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: three plus signs. It's phenomenal. The size many six ft

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Speaker 1: six to twenty. He's an exceptional athlete. We've seen him

779
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Speaker 1: run the read option against Ohio State the two thousand

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Speaker 1: nineteen playoffs, running right at Chase Young and having success.

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00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: We've seen him scramble extend the play and then he

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Speaker 1: does have that arm talent to open the field up completely.

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Speaker 1: How do you see Trevor Lawrence and Urban Meyer working together? Oh,

784
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: it's beautiful. There's not a better fit. And I know

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Speaker 1: the pick isn't official yet, I mean it pretty much

786
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Speaker 1: is though that right, Trevor Lawrence is good enough to

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Speaker 1: bring Urban Meyer out of a job at Fox where

788
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: he was doing a great job, a big new kickoff, right,

789
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: and he hadn't made out there, and so to bring

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Speaker 1: him out of retirement get him finally in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: That tells you how good Trevor Lawrences and how good

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Speaker 1: of a fit coach Meyer thinks he is. So from

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Speaker 1: my standpoint, I'm curious to see how Urban changes his

794
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: offense for the NFL. But a lot of what we're

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Speaker 1: seeing teams run, there's a lot of shades of Ohio

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Speaker 1: State in there. So I think Trevor's ability to move

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00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: is key. Whether that's a designed r p O, whether

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Speaker 1: that's just a rollout, whether it is some option that's

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Speaker 1: all there. And again I can't highlight enough to the

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Speaker 1: running ability. And this is still a two or twenty

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Speaker 1: pound frame that's gonna fell out. He's only gonna get stronger,

802
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: and his arms are only gonna get stronger, and already

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Speaker 1: we see vision instincts and then just the mobility. The

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00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: actual athleticism is phenomenal, So I think it is a

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00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: perfect fit. I know a lot of people when when

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Speaker 1: Urban first took the job, they wanted to say, oh, well,

807
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: Justin Field is this guy. Let's remember they actually didn't overlap,

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00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: but Ohio State Urban was gone about a month before

809
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: Justin committed there. Obviously there's you know, some connection points.

810
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: But Trevor Lawrence is the guy, and he is he

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Speaker 1: is the best fit of all the quarterbacks in this

812
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: class for that offense. We have so much time two

813
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: months until we get to the draft, more than two months,

814
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: so we'll hear from Matt again. We'll talk to other

815
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Speaker 1: draft micks and the mock drafters and everyone out there.

816
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: But I like Matt because he's a good story. Uh

817
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: jumped into being a football evaluator pretty much just like

818
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: that ten years ago and has stood the test of time.

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Speaker 1: So it's fun to hear from people that have a

820
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: different perspective. And that's what we go for every week.

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Speaker 1: So let's see who's got a podcast coming up this week.

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Speaker 1: I know, JP, you've got one with John and Bucky

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Speaker 1: coming up later in the weeks on Wednesday. Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 1: you guys have drift time on Tuesday, right, Yeah, is

825
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: there an ozone podcast this week? Johnny, not so much.

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Speaker 1: You just trying to work it out as we get

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Speaker 1: moving forward with the assistant coaches plan to sort of

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Speaker 1: lean on hopefully coming to coordinators and get them insight

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Speaker 1: into what's going on on that level. All right, So

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Speaker 1: this is the Jaguars Reporters thanks to JP and John

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Speaker 1: and Ashlyn will talk to you next week right here,