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Speaker 1: From the Berkshars to the sound from wherever you live

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Speaker 1: in MLB America. This is inside the Parker. You give

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Speaker 1: us twenty two minutes and we'll give you the scoop

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Speaker 1: on major League Baseball. Now here's Baseball Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: voter number fifty seven, Rob Parker.

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Speaker 2: Come on, I've been covering Major League baseball for almost

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Speaker 2: forty years now, in New York, in Cincinnati, in Detroit,

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Speaker 2: in LA.

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Speaker 3: I love this game. Let's go. Welcome into the podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Rob Parker, and what a show we

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Speaker 2: have for you today Barry Bloom, the senior writer for

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Speaker 2: sportico dot com, and we will have.

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Speaker 3: A deep dive on the World Series.

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Speaker 2: Also Hall of Fame talk as that's gonna approach, how

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Speaker 2: the health of Major League Baseball where it is in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, and much more.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 1: When Rob was a newspaper columnist, he lived by this motto,

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Speaker 1: if I'm writing, I'm ripping. Let's bring in a writer

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Speaker 1: or broadcaster, old or new.

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Speaker 3: Now let's welcome into the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Barry Bloom, senior writer for sport A call better than

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Speaker 2: that one of my longtime friends, brother in from the

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Speaker 2: Baseball Writers Barry, how are you, my man?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great, kind of like trying to recover from

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Speaker 4: covering the World Series, but I've been busy every day,

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Speaker 4: so you know, baseball offseason goes into the baseball season.

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Speaker 3: No doubt.

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Speaker 2: And we should say, with the closure of this twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five World Series, that's fifty five zero years in

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Speaker 2: the books covering Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 3: Man. Next year will be my fortieth.

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Speaker 2: But my god, fifty years covering the national pastime.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's quite an accomplishment. Barry, how does

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Speaker 3: that feel?

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Speaker 4: It's crazy?

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Speaker 3: I believe it. I mean, you see it a lot.

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Speaker 2: You know when you even for me, you know, when

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Speaker 2: you see Vladimir Guerrero Junior and his son being a star,

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Speaker 2: you know how many players that you've covered, and and

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Speaker 2: then you see for me. I can remember when Darryl

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And I went to talk

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Speaker 2: to him and I just looked at it. I said,

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Speaker 2: I remember when you were two or three running around

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Speaker 2: which is shocking to me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll tell you A funny story about that. When

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Speaker 4: all that, Tony Gwinn Jr. Came up from the minor

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Speaker 4: leagues with the Brewers. They were playing the Giants in

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Speaker 4: It was a double, something like twenty nine years to

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Speaker 4: the day his father had his first hit and it

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Speaker 3: That's unbelievable, right.

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Speaker 4: So I said to Barry afterwards. I told him the story,

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Speaker 4: and he says, you're gonna carry You're gonna cover our

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Speaker 3: Unbelievable, unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: The other one for me is Cecil and Prince Fielder

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then of course he wound up going, you know,

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Speaker 3: Just amazing to me. But let's go here.

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Speaker 2: We're here to talk about the twenty twenty five World

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Speaker 3: Me, and I would love to hear your take. Did

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Speaker 3: the Blue Jays choke or did the Dodgers win this

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Speaker 4: It's funny. I had another friend of mine, Stan Fischler,

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Speaker 4: the Mayven, longtime hockey writer. He's now living in Israel,

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Speaker 4: and he says.

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Speaker 3: That, right.

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Speaker 2: Stan Fishler, when I was growing up, was on a

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Speaker 4: I'm sta exactly, but he's he's living in Israel, in

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Speaker 4: back to all the chokes, and I think the only

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Speaker 4: That Jeff Hoffman could have led up a one out

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Speaker 4: home run to Miguel Rojas of all people, to tie

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Speaker 4: that game in the ninth inn with Showy Toddie. I'm

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Speaker 4: looking at it. I'm going, well, the deck Terricle, Wow,

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Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, Rojas puts it right

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Speaker 4: to see where it went. But I mean, that's a choke.

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Speaker 2: I'm would Marry, I'm with you, like and you can't.

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Speaker 2: And we talked about you know this. You can't pitch

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Speaker 2: from behind in baseball. Okay, you can't. Rojas is up there,

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Speaker 2: he's a major league player.

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Speaker 3: Okay, he made it to the major league. He knows

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Speaker 3: you can't walk him. Am I right? Because shohey is.

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Speaker 4: On deck exactly, You're not gonna walk him.

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Speaker 3: Ge't walk him. You gotta throw it over the plate.

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Speaker 3: And if you're gonna lose, you gotta lose on your

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Speaker 3: best stuff. Throw a fastball, make this guy hit it out.

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Speaker 3: And it's a choke. Job that is I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: And then the Blue Jays barry, how many guys can

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Speaker 3: Even in that game?

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Speaker 4: Well, I will say for the rest of it. I

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Speaker 4: think the Dodgers just made the plays. I mean, every

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Speaker 3: They win.

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Speaker 4: The line drive to Kiki Hernandez at the end of

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Speaker 4: Ohen one strike two. They've got the infield in on

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Speaker 4: They just pulled the ball the the infield back into

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Speaker 4: the ball in exactly the right place for Kirk to swing.

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Speaker 4: Hit it off the end of his bat break his bat,

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Speaker 4: hit it right to Mookie Wilson at short. Mookie runs

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's an easy double play. I mean, you couldn't

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Speaker 3: have but they made the play. But here, but Barry,

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Speaker 3: here's my thing. I hear all that, and I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to take that away. The Dodgers batted two oh three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Bets didn't hit Freddy Freeman, didn't hit Max Months,

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Speaker 2: What were they four for seventeen with runners and score?

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Speaker 2: I was just surprised. I really thought the Blue Jays

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Speaker 2: they outplayed the Dodgers. They outscored them thirty four to

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Speaker 3: The Dodgers hit two oh three.

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Speaker 2: I mean I look up and down, and other than Yamamoto,

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Speaker 2: they beat up Blake Snell twice. Right, I mean, Barry, if.

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Speaker 3: I chose the one into the series that they would

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Speaker 3: tell me that the Dodgers would win that series.

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Speaker 4: Simply they chased Snell out of game in the ninth

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Speaker 3: Ten they got right, That's what I looked.

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Speaker 4: Up, rob, I mean, the Yankees were outscored the Pirates

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Speaker 4: sixty five nineteen in the nineteen seven sixty World Series.

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Speaker 4: Their wins were ten nothing, fifteen to three, and and

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Speaker 4: but and then they lost. All four games were very

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Speaker 4: was Game seven, they won ten to nine the Masarowski's

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Speaker 4: that that that the Dodgers batted two of four, that

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Speaker 4: they were outscored, blah blah blah blah blah. I mean

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Speaker 4: they had a pitcher who let up what one run

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Speaker 4: he had a complete game, right.

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Speaker 3: But two games don't beat you though it's a four games.

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Speaker 4: Three was three games because he came in and won

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Speaker 4: the wins. Came in, so he wins three games. Now

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Speaker 4: all you have to do is have another win.

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Speaker 3: No, they won.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna take it away from them. They won

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Speaker 2: and will go from there, I'll guess. Barry Bloom from

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Speaker 2: Sportico dot com a senior writer who's been covering Major

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Speaker 2: League baseball for fifty years. Guy, I've known my entire

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Speaker 2: career out at the ballpark, Barry, Let's turn to Baseball's

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Speaker 2: in a nice The last few years especially. I just

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Speaker 2: think it's in a good spot as far as young

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Speaker 2: star players and the numbers are starting to turn around.

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Speaker 2: We saw the Dodgers Yankees World Series, which is really

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Speaker 2: good for baseball. First time since nineteen eighty one, those

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Speaker 2: two teams met in a fall Classic.

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Speaker 3: This year, the numbers were eye popping.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Game seven of the NBA Finals drew

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Speaker 2: sixteen point nine and Major League Baseball's Game seven drew

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Speaker 2: twenty six million, twenty five point nine. And the real

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Speaker 2: interesting thing to me, Barry, is this that the numbers

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Speaker 5: It, and when newspapers were king my man, we were

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Speaker 3: Right all those rights.

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Speaker 2: It is Barry I see and I'm an done a

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, if maybe Bell Trandell get elected because

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Speaker 2: Right, it's going to be five years for him, five years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But they're all guys that are going to come in.

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Speaker 4: You know, Verland there has you know, close to Turner

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Speaker 4: holding these guys in. You know, you're pigeonholding these guys

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Speaker 2: Now, let me let me ask you this. Okay, I

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Speaker 4: Well, but that's the way the Veterans Committee has always been,

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Speaker 4: I mean there's a lot of guys, you know what Marris,

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know about Tommy John. He played twenty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he I just twenty five years. That this

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Speaker 2: Right, like like they already had to look with the committee,

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Speaker 4: That's now they have a new role that if you

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Speaker 3: It's well that was the Veterans Committee, because they used

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Speaker 4: You put it on to just put it on the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not so sure that everybody.

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Speaker 2: I don't want it to be the Basketball Hall of

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Speaker 4: And they're just tainted by you know, you know, either

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Speaker 4: keep it. So I don't think that's ever going to change.

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Speaker 3: It should always be that, all right.

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Speaker 2: Last thing, I don't believe that this Dodger team is

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Speaker 2: a dynasty.

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Speaker 3: They won in two thousand and then they've won the Less.

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Speaker 2: Two, so that makes three World Series championships in six seasons.

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Speaker 2: I believe a dynasty is three in a row or

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Speaker 2: three out of four.

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Speaker 3: The last team to do that was the Yankees.

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Speaker 2: I believe that's a real dynasty when a team has control.

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Speaker 3: If the Dodgers win.

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Speaker 2: This year, they're a dynasty. Three in a row, you know,

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Speaker 2: but it's like the Giants. The Giants won three in

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Speaker 2: that five or six year span as well, but every

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Speaker 2: year after they won the World Series didn't even make

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Speaker 2: the playoffs the following year. There's no way you can

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Speaker 2: call that a dynasty. Where are you on a dynasty?

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Speaker 2: And we'll leave it at this. What's like your criteria

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Speaker 2: to call on the team a dynasty?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally agree with you on this one. The

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Speaker 4: Dodgers are not a dynasty yet, but they are built

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Speaker 4: to repeat. Yeah, in this playoff era, it's awfully tough.

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Speaker 4: I mean they had to win twelve games to win

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Speaker 4: to win the playoff us in the World Series this year,

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Speaker 4: you know, to go when you have to start in

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Speaker 4: a wild card round and then go through three other rounds,

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Speaker 4: it's getting to be like the NBA or the NHL

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Speaker 4: where you have four full rounds, four out of seven

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Speaker 4: and you have to win to win the championship. So

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Speaker 4: you a lot of things injury wise, everything has to

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Speaker 4: go right. You could have a great regular season, it

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Speaker 4: doesn't matter if things fall apart in those rounds. So

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Speaker 4: for them to be a dynasty, you go back to

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Speaker 4: the Yankee era that you mentioned even then it was

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Speaker 4: like three out of uh, you know, it was three rounds.

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Speaker 4: You know, the first round is obviously the DS was

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Speaker 4: always five.

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Speaker 3: Games, right, three out of five right back in.

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Speaker 4: You know the Yankee Great Errors of the fifties and sixties. Mean,

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Speaker 4: there was always that joke with Jeter and Yogi about

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Speaker 4: how tough it was for them to win the World

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Speaker 4: Series in his era as compared to Yogi's era, and

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Speaker 4: then Yogi would just hold up his hands, Yeah, he goes,

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Speaker 4: you can come over. The rings are in my house.

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Speaker 4: You can come over and see him anytime you want.

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Speaker 4: But I mean there is something to all that. And

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Speaker 4: so for the Dodgers to really win again, to three peat,

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Speaker 4: as pat Riley coined back in the day in Magic, stay,

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Speaker 4: you know for that if they do it again this year,

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Speaker 4: and they are built to do it with that team

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Speaker 4: they have, and I think they have the kind of

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Speaker 4: guys you know, like betts Otani, they're Yamamoto, They're like

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Speaker 4: they've won in Japan, they've won over here. They want

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Speaker 4: to they have the motivation to do it every year.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Mooki this is his fourth title already with

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Speaker 4: two different teams. I mean, so he wins one more,

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Speaker 4: he equals Jeter, so it and all the core floor.

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Speaker 4: So to me, if the Dodgers win, can repeat it

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Speaker 4: again next year and do a three peat, which would

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Speaker 4: be unheard of in this era. But then their dynasty.

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Speaker 4: But I also think you have to include you know,

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Speaker 4: you win twelve out of the thirteen l West titles.

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Speaker 4: The one year you lose, you lost by a game

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Speaker 4: to the Giants, then you beat them in the NLDS,

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Speaker 4: So I mean that record is pretty superlative and that's

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Speaker 4: a dynasty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we saw the Atlanta Bridge win fifteen or

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Speaker 2: sixteenth straight NLLES title.

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Speaker 3: They got one level series right, exactly all right.

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Speaker 2: His name is Barry blue Man covers Baseball fifty years

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Speaker 2: sportico dot com. Check out his column there at the

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Speaker 2: website and Barry always a pleasure, my man. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for spending some time with us here on inside the

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Speaker 2: Parker and enjoyed the off season, my man.

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Speaker 4: Okay, thanks Parking, this is a lot of fun. Thanks

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Speaker 4: for having me on.

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Speaker 1: In case you missed Rob Parker on the MLB nex Words,

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Speaker 1: here's his latest appearance on MLBINA.

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Speaker 6: Showdown Time within now controversial Rob Parker rob great to

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Speaker 6: have you back on after the World Series. Look, that

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Speaker 6: was a tremendous World series. But we all have a

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Speaker 6: few minutes here. Is this a dynasty? What your first

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Speaker 6: take on that?

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Speaker 3: No, it's not a dynasty.

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Speaker 2: First of all, the Blue Jays choked and gave the

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Speaker 2: Dodgers a world championship.

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Speaker 3: That parade today in La BK.

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Speaker 2: Should have been in the north pole because that was

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Speaker 2: a Christmas present from the Blue Jays to the Dodger.

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Speaker 6: They didn't choke it away. They should have won number

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Speaker 6: of times they didn't. But the Dodgers did win, and

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Speaker 6: they did win it some. Then they hit a home run.

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Speaker 6: They'd all run in the ninth, they hit all run

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Speaker 6: on the eleventh. They won it. They won it.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, they choke when you give up.

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Speaker 2: They were let me tell you this. They were one

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Speaker 2: ninth place hitter out away from this being a billion

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Speaker 2: dollar flop. And did you could say they hit a

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Speaker 2: home running the ninth. If Otani hit a home running

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Speaker 2: the ninth, I would buy in.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't count. If Miguel Rojas sins it, that's come on,

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Speaker 6: that's crazy, crazy.

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Speaker 2: You can't give it up to Rojas's but he did,

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Speaker 2: but he hit a home runoff Hoffman.

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Speaker 6: That's that's how it works. I look at it two.

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Speaker 6: You know what they now, I've got to give it up.

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Speaker 6: And I was saying, if they lose this, they will

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Speaker 6: not be up there with the Bronx Zoo Yankees, or

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Speaker 6: the Big Red Machine now they are, or the Blue

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Speaker 6: Jays of ninety two ninety three. They won two in

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Speaker 6: a row, three and six. In this day and age,

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Speaker 6: rob b Fair, we're not talking about Casey Stengel now

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Speaker 6: talking about Jacob Rooper. In this day and age. You

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Speaker 6: can't win five straight, four straight like the old Yankees.

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Speaker 6: You can't.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, that was twenty five years ago, not

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Speaker 2: one hundred years ago.

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Speaker 3: You have to win three in a row or three

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Speaker 3: out of four to be a dynasty.

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Speaker 2: The Giants won every other year, they don't count as

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Speaker 2: a dynasty.

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Speaker 3: They never even won back to back.

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Speaker 6: But this team did. But this team did, this team

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Speaker 6: did three and six row win.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you need to win at least.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying that the even though the Giants won three,

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Speaker 2: they never won back to back even once. I'm just saying, right,

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Speaker 2: if they won three out of four I would buy

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Speaker 2: a dynasty.

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Speaker 3: Three in a row. Oh, a dynasty. The Yankees won

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Speaker 3: ninety eight, ninety nine, two thousand.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and they're different. No, they won and they spoiled us.

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Speaker 6: They spoiled us in the wild Card Era, winning round

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Speaker 6: after round. We thought, oh, this will happen, and it won't.

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Speaker 6: They're the Yankee Club, the Bernie Yankees. They're truly special.

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Speaker 6: All right. What about shoe, Hey Otani? Are you giving

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Speaker 6: it up for Otani?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 2: The guy makes seven hundred million dollars and he's been

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Speaker 2: almost a zero in the postseason.

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Speaker 6: This year he slung seven hundred. He slung seven hundred

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Speaker 6: in the postseason.

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Speaker 3: Rock he did hold on. He did nothing last year

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Speaker 3: when they won.

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Speaker 2: Can you admit that he didn't pitch and he didn't

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Speaker 2: hit at all and he had the shoulder.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this year, all right, I'll give you. He had

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Speaker 3: a couple of big but he had a big game the.

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Speaker 2: Night, the three for three night or four for four nine,

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Speaker 2: He had that one big night.

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Speaker 6: He started two games. Number, he had a five this number,

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Speaker 6: he had a five hundred on base slugging seven seventy

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Speaker 6: eight in the World Series. You have to be a

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Speaker 6: little more fair, Rob.

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Speaker 2: Come on, wait a minute, and he also gave up

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Speaker 2: seven earned runs.

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Speaker 3: He did in twelve innings, pitched okay.

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Speaker 6: Two of them were cashing but yeah, yeah, that first

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Speaker 6: start was good, but right, the second one was not great.

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Speaker 6: To give up a three run home run, he gave

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Speaker 6: up two and then two more were cashed in, so

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Speaker 6: he pitched okay, he pitched okay.

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Speaker 3: Beat the average.

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Speaker 2: The postseason is two and it is two thirty nine

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Speaker 2: in the World Series is two thirty nine with three

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Speaker 2: home runs. I'm not saying he didn't do anything, but

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Speaker 2: but you cannot coming off of that say this guy's

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Speaker 2: the greatest baseball player of all time.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 6: I know he said you're reacting to that sort of hyperbole.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying that, but I'm a little more fair.

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Speaker 6: I'm pumping the brakes. You're jamming on them and pulling

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Speaker 6: the emergency brake. Take it easy, Rob, we gotta go.

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Speaker 6: Good stuff. I like the debate. Thank you, my friend, RBK.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, In the words of New York TV legend

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Speaker 7: the Lady Bill Jorgensen, thanking you for your time this

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Speaker 7: time until next time.

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Speaker 6: Rob Parker out d Cad Davin. This could be an

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Speaker 6: inside of Parker.

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Speaker 4: See you next week, same bat time, same bat station,