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Speaker 2: I want to go to Spain, Renee.

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Speaker 3: You just came back to Woman.

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Speaker 4: I did you were in Woman and for almost three

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Speaker 3: Yes, I played little tennis the second week and the

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Speaker 3: I was busy the first week with you doing work

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Speaker 3: and there for a second week, I'd get to play

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Speaker 3: a little bit of tennis. I had an amazing dive

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Speaker 3: it provided one of those moments that you know, I

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Speaker 4: In the second set where you and partner can yes,

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Speaker 4: the most recent guest on the pod, facing off against

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Speaker 4: Martine Nervradlova.

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Speaker 2: And Kara Black, last year's champions.

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Speaker 3: The dive that needs to be seen to be believed.

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Speaker 3: We'll look it up. It's insane.

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Speaker 3: And everybody was involved. Yeah, yeah, everybody was involved. It

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Speaker 3: congratulations on your win.

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Speaker 4: One thing you did without me because I was gone,

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Speaker 5: There was six mothers in the singles draw six and

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Speaker 5: the mother of them all Judy Murray. Yeah, Judy Murray,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what was it like to talk with it? I

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Speaker 3: Okay, so this morning I get an email I want

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Speaker 1: And I think there's a few reasons for that.

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Speaker 6: the doubles.

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Speaker 1: So he came on the phone La partner Jamie Baker.

445
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Speaker 3: All about who was Rafa's.

446
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Speaker 1: Partner, Marcel Granular.

447
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Speaker 3: I think, oh, that's tough.

448
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Speaker 1: That's they're a year older.

449
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Speaker 6: Than Andy if you Spanish kids, but yeah, they go

450
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Speaker 6: back a long way and Novak as well. They've all

451
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Speaker 6: known each other's because we're sort of eleven and twelve,

452
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Speaker 6: so they're all part of our furniture, which is lovely.

453
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Speaker 1: But yeah.

454
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Speaker 6: So he comes on the phone and normally when he

455
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Speaker 6: would phone home something was wrong, typical boy, Yeah, lost

456
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Speaker 6: my passport, lost my wallet or something like that.

457
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Speaker 1: So on it comes.

458
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Speaker 3: Mum, how do I do the laundry?

459
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that that kind of thing. How do you switch

460
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Speaker 6: the washing machine on? What temperature should have put at? So, yeah,

461
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Speaker 6: the phone phone, I'm holding the phone up and it's

462
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Speaker 6: would you pay for this international call?

463
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Speaker 1: Fernando?

464
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Speaker 6: Of course reverse? Of course, that was the only way

465
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Speaker 6: to get through. So I said you, and then I

466
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Speaker 6: said what's wrong? And he said, I've just been playing

467
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Speaker 6: racquetball with Rafa.

468
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Speaker 1: And you know, what. He doesn't go to school.

469
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Speaker 6: He gets to train on clay in the sunshine in

470
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Speaker 6: Majorca and he gets to hit with Carlos Moya and

471
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Speaker 6: he's shouting down every now, yeah, every day, and what have.

472
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Speaker 1: I got you and my brother at the university. I

473
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Speaker 1: want to go to Spain.

474
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Speaker 6: And you know, there was part of me I was

475
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Speaker 6: like holding the phone about you know away, and there

476
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Speaker 6: was part of me that was sort of half smiling

477
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Speaker 6: because I was thinking, that's what it takes. It takes

478
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Speaker 6: somebody else to let them realize that actually you need

479
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Speaker 6: more than you can get. But also, if this is

480
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Speaker 6: what you want to do and you want to keep up,

481
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Speaker 6: you're going to have to go somewhere else, and of

482
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Speaker 6: course we will. Barcelona, which was what Raffa was advising,

483
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Speaker 6: was is the hotbed of European tendeths and so many

484
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Speaker 6: people play there. And anyway, we went had to look

485
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Speaker 6: at a couple of academies in easter time. When he'd

486
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Speaker 6: had the match with Raffa was February and he started

487
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Speaker 6: in the August. The biggest challenge was trying to find

488
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Speaker 6: the money to put together, because it's about like going

489
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Speaker 6: to an expensive boarding school that specializes in tennis, you know,

490
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Speaker 6: the school on site and so forth. So finding the money,

491
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Speaker 6: because developing a young tennis player is incredibly expensive, incredibly expensive.

492
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Speaker 6: Finding a training environment with coaches who know what they're

493
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Speaker 6: doing and and enough like minded sparring partners across a

494
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Speaker 6: variety of ages is absolutely crucial. And then you still

495
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Speaker 6: need the balance of social on pastoral and schooling as

496
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Speaker 6: well as the tennis when they're fifteen sixteen.

497
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Speaker 1: But they had pretty much.

498
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Speaker 6: Everything on site there and it was a short, low

499
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Speaker 6: cost airline flight from Edinburgh or Glasgow to Barcelona and

500
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Speaker 6: the academy was literally at the back of the airport,

501
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Speaker 6: so it didn't ever feel like he was that far away.

502
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Speaker 3: To be honest, very shy on Twitter, but like, no,

503
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 3: I love it. It's you and I kindred experience on

504
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Speaker 3: that way. But about making public tennis free for everyone,

505
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Speaker 3: because it is an expensive sport and brackets and all

506
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Speaker 3: this sort of thing, and it really is, you know,

507
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 3: through the years, it's just like golf, a white rich sport.

508
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Speaker 3: How do you change that? And I know you have

509
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Speaker 3: some ideas on that.

510
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I do, because it's my biggest bugbear about tennis

511
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Speaker 6: is that it's perceived as difficult to access, difficult to

512
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Speaker 6: do and expensive. And I've worked very hard over the

513
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Speaker 6: last four years in Scotland to build a bigger and

514
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Speaker 6: stronger workforce around the country in deprived and rural areas

515
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Speaker 6: or areas where you wouldn't normally expect to find tennis.

516
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Speaker 6: And these are areas where often you have no courts

517
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Speaker 6: and you certainly won't have a workforce, and often you

518
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Speaker 6: don't have money to pay even if you did have

519
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Speaker 6: a workforce.

520
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Speaker 1: So I build.

521
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Speaker 6: Workforces out of the local community, so that can be

522
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Speaker 6: anything from parents to teachers, to students to youth leaders,

523
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Speaker 6: coaches of other sports. And I invest my when my

524
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Speaker 6: van I've got a van full of equipment, and other

525
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Speaker 6: comment that I don't work with.

526
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Speaker 1: It is it's a van on the road.

527
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Speaker 6: We call it tennis on the road because we just

528
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 6: get in the van and we go to places where

529
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Speaker 6: they want to have tennis. Because the excitement over tennis

530
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Speaker 6: in Scotland over the last ten years has gone through

531
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Speaker 6: the roof, and prior to that was very much a

532
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Speaker 6: minority sport. So hence you don't find tennis courts in

533
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Speaker 6: state schools. Very few public courts left because we lost

534
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Speaker 6: them all thirty years ago when the government sold off

535
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Speaker 6: playing fields for car parks and retail and housing, etc.

536
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Speaker 6: And now when people want to play, you can't find

537
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Speaker 6: those courts and you can't find a space to build

538
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Speaker 6: them anyway. But my theory is that, you know, when

539
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Speaker 6: I grew up, there were no coaches. You learn from

540
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Speaker 6: your parents and from the other people in the club.

541
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Speaker 6: So it is possible to become a good tennis player

542
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Speaker 6: without having formal coaching. And it kills me that more

543
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Speaker 6: people than ever before, certainly in our country have coaching

544
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Speaker 6: or lessons, would become a nation of lesson takers, but

545
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Speaker 6: we have less people than ever before playing the game

546
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Speaker 6: because it just becomes a programmed activity. So for me,

547
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Speaker 6: it's about investing in people who can then deliver the

548
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Speaker 6: game to others that want to get started and whatever

549
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Speaker 6: space they've got available with whatever equipment.

550
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we just need a wall. Yeah, I mean, I

551
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 3: grew up hitting against a wall often, and I had

552
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Speaker 3: a great coach when I was nine, you know, when

553
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Speaker 3: I started really getting into tennis. Eight at nine, he

554
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 3: was just so passionate about the sport. I mean, for me,

555
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Speaker 3: the number one word that I find in you know,

556
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Speaker 3: all the podcasts that I've done and various things talk

557
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Speaker 3: to people, is that the number one word to be

558
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Speaker 3: successful or to have anything that's successful is passion. Yeah,

559
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Speaker 3: you have to have passion. I mean, and do you

560
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 3: feel like that's the most important thing? Is actually to

561
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Speaker 3: thrust passion back into Scotland when it comes to tennis.

562
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Speaker 3: And obviously it is because of what Jamie and Andy

563
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Speaker 3: have done and you but you know that is it

564
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Speaker 3: more about passion or is it more about accessibility?

565
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Speaker 6: I think the passion is what kickstarts things off in people.

566
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Speaker 6: There are always challenges with finding facilities, finding coaches, finding

567
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Speaker 6: the money to pay for things, but I think that

568
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Speaker 6: with what I'm trying to do, my theory is that

569
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Speaker 6: the boys have created a demand or an interest in tennis.

570
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Speaker 6: If you build the workforce first in each local area

571
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Speaker 6: and you get the teachers delivering it in Babmington courts

572
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Speaker 6: and schools or in the school playground, or you stick

573
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Speaker 6: mini nets up on the artificial grass football pitches, you

574
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 6: can start to develop the skills that you need to

575
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Speaker 6: play tennis. That creates a demand of its own within

576
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Speaker 6: a community, and then it's much easier to influence the

577
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Speaker 6: school or the local authority to put some courts in,

578
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Speaker 6: because you've.

579
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Speaker 1: Got work, I've got the demand.

580
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Speaker 6: If you go the other way around and say put

581
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Speaker 6: courts in, and then you go, oh, we haven't got

582
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Speaker 6: any coaches or anybody who knows how to deliver tennis,

583
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 6: it's back to front. So I can't build all the

584
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Speaker 6: courts around Scotland, but I can build workforces and I

585
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 6: can hopefully pass my passion on too many others by

586
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Speaker 6: showing them how to make tennis fun and stimulated and doable.

587
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Speaker 3: And get the kids outside and get them off their iPads.

588
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: And get off the coach shit.

589
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Speaker 3: Get off the couch your coach. I can't say it

590
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 3: like that, but you know, get them outside, get them playing,

591
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: especially in Scotland where the weather's not exactly the greatest

592
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 3: ally round, but when it is, get outside, have fun.

593
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 3: All right. So we're at Wimbledon. We're actually in the

594
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Speaker 3: IMG house here in Wimbledon Village and Wimbledon's almost over.

595
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 3: But all right, so a little fun question. Henman Hill

596
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Speaker 3: will Murray Mount.

597
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Speaker 1: Oh, it's Henman Hill.

598
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Speaker 3: I love it. I love that you said that, Yeah.

599
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Speaker 6: It's Henman Hill, because I think that from when I

600
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Speaker 6: first came to Wimbledon as a student and queued up

601
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Speaker 6: with my friends and came in. It was Henman Hill,

602
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 6: and I saw one of the days where Tim played

603
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Speaker 6: go Round. Remember the match it went over three. I

604
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 6: was there on one of those days and sat in

605
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Speaker 6: the rain for ages.

606
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 3: And any caught you're at home, but I was.

607
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Speaker 1: I was on it.

608
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Speaker 6: Yeah, brought it with me, That's what I kept saying.

609
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Speaker 6: But I sat on Henman Hill. And it's like you know,

610
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Speaker 6: when you meet someone for the first time, if you

611
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Speaker 6: are introduced to them by a certain name, let's say

612
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Speaker 6: it's Andrew, and then many years leave to you meet them,

613
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 6: you still think Andrew rather than and So for me,

614
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Speaker 6: that's the scene with Henman Hill. I know that is

615
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Speaker 6: Henman Hill, and I will always call.

616
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Speaker 3: It Isn't Isn't that crazy to think about that? You

617
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: queued and of course you grew up playing tennis. You're

618
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Speaker 3: a very good tennis player in your own right, but

619
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Speaker 3: you grew up. You queue at Wimbledon, you get in,

620
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 3: you're so excited. You can't even get on the major

621
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Speaker 3: courts because you've got to sit on Henman Hill, which

622
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Speaker 3: is the beauty of Wombolen right, and then you know,

623
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Speaker 3: X amount of years later, you're sitting in you know,

624
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Speaker 3: a player's box watching your kids. How amazing is that story?

625
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: And to how hard is it to watch your kids?

626
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Speaker 3: Because I know you're doing it now because Jamie's in

627
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Speaker 3: the finals and mixed doubles again, But how hard is

628
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Speaker 3: it for you? Yeah? It's like, be honest, how many

629
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: swear words do you say to you? Five set match?

630
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Speaker 1: Lots?

631
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Speaker 6: And you know, I know enough to sit. I sit

632
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Speaker 6: with my hand over my mouth some things and so

633
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 6: getting very pensive, but I'm actually swearing into my hand

634
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 6: because I don't want anybody else to pick me up

635
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 6: on lip reader service on the television or anything like that. Yeah,

636
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Speaker 6: I find it really really stressful. I mean I've always

637
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Speaker 6: found it stressful. But I think any parent will tell

638
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 6: you the same thing. You know, it doesn't matter what

639
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 6: your child is doing. You want things to go right

640
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 6: for them, you know perfectly well, when they're out there

641
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 6: on their own, there's nothing you can do other than

642
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 6: be supportive when they're looking up. I also learned from

643
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Speaker 6: my kids from a very young age, and from lots

644
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Speaker 6: of the other kids that I worked with, telling me

645
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Speaker 6: stories about how their parents made them feel when they

646
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Speaker 6: looked up. I learned a lot about the importance of

647
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 6: presenting a really positive, positive image. Whatever is happening, don't

648
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Speaker 6: look because your kids pick up on everything from you.

649
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Speaker 3: So oh yeah, trust me, I sadly for my mother.

650
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: I could hear I promise you when I tell you this.

651
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: When I would play junior matches, I could hear my mom.

652
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: If I got a little upset on the coat, which

653
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: happened often, I could hear my mom got I could

654
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Speaker 3: hear that.

655
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Speaker 1: I can hear it.

656
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: I could hear the disapproval of my mother. And I

657
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: used to get so upset because it was just anything

658
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Speaker 3: to like make me mad. So I get it. I

659
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: get it.

660
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Speaker 6: They pick up on everything, everything they know at what

661
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Speaker 6: point in them actually went out to the toilet? And

662
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Speaker 6: why were you talking to so and so when I

663
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 6: was serving at five to three?

664
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: You know stuff like that.

665
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 6: They see everything, so you know, you can't move your head,

666
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 6: you can't move it all. So if you see me

667
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 6: in the player box, and I always look like quite stoic, yeah,

668
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 6: quite stressed. I tend to try to not wear my

669
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 6: sunglasses so because I believe in that whole thing of

670
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 6: being able to see psychon so I try not to

671
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 6: do that. But yeah, I'm really trained on the boys

672
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 6: from the minute they start. I'd rarely take my eyes

673
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 6: off them, even when they're sitting at the changeovers, because

674
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 6: and that's been for many years of them being small

675
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 6: and you're the only person watching, and when they look

676
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 6: up and they don't look up very much, they know

677
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 6: that they've got your attention. And because I've seen that,

678
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 6: you know, like when Andy, especially when he was young,

679
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 6: and you're the only person there, somebody comes and talks

680
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 6: to you, and he'll stand and go, Mom.

681
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 3: Watch ten look at me. Nothing changes the time you're

682
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 3: a kid. You're like mom, mom, mom, mom, and you're

683
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: like what, you know what, and it's just nothing. It's mundane,

684
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: but you want you to see. It's approval of your

685
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 3: parents are so important. I mean that moment when Andy

686
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 3: ran up into the box, I remember having tears because

687
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: I just thought my first thought was for what it

688
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: must feel like for someone like you, and of course

689
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 3: your ex husband and the father and parents of a

690
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: wimbled and champion that have grown up, and the pressure

691
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: that Andy has on his shoulders and Jamie in mixed

692
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: doubles here or doubles. It's you can't describe to Americans.

693
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: Australians get it a little bit, but you can't describe

694
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 3: to anyone how much pressure is on the shoulders of

695
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 3: the British players when they play it. Wo and Andy

696
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 3: handles it so well. Why and how.

697
00:32:55,040 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 6: I think he's been really remarkable because he carried the

698
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 6: weight of British tennis expectation on his shoulders for from

699
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 6: a very young age, because I mean he was quite

700
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 6: young when Tim and Greg retired, and so it was

701
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 6: really at the Slams he was the one who was

702
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 6: a contender and you know being you know from when

703
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 6: he from when he won US Open Juniors in two

704
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 6: thousand and four. He was constantly being asked in media interviews,

705
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 6: when are you going to win Slam? When A you're

706
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 6: going to win Wimbledon, When you're going to win Wimbledon.

707
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 6: It was all in British media and it's all about Wimbledon.

708
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 6: And I'd watched through Tim's career, who had an unbelievable

709
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 6: career in ten years in the top ten, phenomenal consistent career,

710
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 6: and yet there are so many who still call him

711
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 6: a failure because why because he didn't win Wimbledon, and

712
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 6: it's like, are you kidding me? But that's so everything

713
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 6: you know for him. I remember when he won it

714
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 6: and he said, you know what, I won't get asked

715
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 6: one question again.

716
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: And then what happened is when you're going to win

717
00:33:59,400 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: Wimbledon again.

718
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you told me the story because I was always

719
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: so confused because when any won his first Wimbledon, he

720
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 3: turned around the opposite way from the player's box and.

721
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 1: He gave it a come on.

722
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 3: It was just this moment of like, and there's sometimes

723
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 3: where there's spectators that are actually in that section, because

724
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 3: I had friends when I played my final Wimbledon in

725
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: that section as well as the player box, and so

726
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: I thought there was maybe some people out there. But

727
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,479
Speaker 3: you told me a different story, which I freaking love

728
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 3: and it shows you a lot about him.

729
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was on the sense of human He was

730
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 6: on the far end of the court or the opposite

731
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 6: end of the court from the player box. But it

732
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 6: was that it was that whole thing of he turned

733
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 6: rone to the press section. The press section was there

734
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 6: where he turned drone to and he absolutely it was almost.

735
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 3: Like I never again, never asking me again.

736
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, something like that or just you know, probe. But

737
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 6: you know, I think there's been I think the British

738
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 6: media is tough.

739
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: It's really really tough. They're very unforgiving.

740
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 6: There are so many daily and Sunday papers, more than

741
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 6: any other country, and so you you know, so whether

742
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,959
Speaker 6: if he wins something, or more if he doesn't win something,

743
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 6: or if he has a disappointing defeat, you've got the

744
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 6: world and his wife, all the ex players come out,

745
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 6: they write columns on, you know.

746
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 3: Didn't do this right? Should have done that? Why the

747
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 3: employee Emily Resmo?

748
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 6: You know, speculation on everything, criticism, you know, all the time.

749
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 6: And I think because of what I've seen with with

750
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 6: the way that Tim was treated, I reckoned. He'll never

751
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 6: be forgiven anything. You'll you know, he'll never be recognized

752
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 6: as the brilliant player that he is and everything that

753
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 6: he's had to carry for the nation's hopes for so

754
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 6: many years until he actually wins Wimbledon.

755
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: And I think he knew that as well.

756
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 3: And it was so crazy. He told me that story

757
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: and he said he turned around to the press and

758
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: it was basically at them before and you have to

759
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 3: understand that as a listener, right now, that you win

760
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 3: the greatest moment of your life. He won the US

761
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: Open already, so he had that moment of when he

762
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 3: had Grand Slam where he looked like it was no

763
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 3: big deal, which I always found so fascinating as well.

764
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 3: But he had that moment was the greatest moment that

765
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 3: he could share with his family and his player box,

766
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 3: and the first thing he did was turn around the

767
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: opposite way. I just want people to understand how someone British,

768
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 3: Scottish English that has to deal with the press and

769
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 3: deal with that stress, and that's what it made him

770
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: do on the biggest, most important moment of his life.

771
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 3: And so I just found that so fascinating. Also tells

772
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: you a lot about him, of how much he keeps

773
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 3: it in because he's never said anything negative. But that

774
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 3: was his way of showing, you know, okay, enough is enough.

775
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 3: I've done it now, so you can all f off.

776
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it was very much.

777
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 6: You know, there had been so much questioning of if

778
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 6: he would ever win a Slam, so much speculation of

779
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 6: he'll never win a Slam. You know, he's not a winner,

780
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 6: he's a chilker. He's a loser and he's none of those.

781
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: Oh my god, he's none of those things.

782
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 6: It was like you've had to read and put up

783
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 6: with so much stuff for so many years now because

784
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 6: his first slam faner was two thousand and eight, this

785
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 6: is five years later.

786
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 3: Guys that he lost to, I mean, he never lost

787
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: to someone that he was supposed to necessarily.

788
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: Strongest ear ever, it's.

789
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 3: Crazy Novak Rafa, you know, Roger, It's crazy, and you

790
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 3: know he had to get through those guys to win

791
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 3: his slams, and I just find it amazing. I just

792
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 3: love that.

793
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: All right.

794
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 3: So we know that you're obsessed with tennis, We know

795
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 3: that you have passion for that, like oodles of it.

796
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 3: But I want to know how somebody actually asked me

797
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: this on Twitter as well, the obsession with cakes, because no,

798
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 3: I mean, dude, you're in pretty good shape. Is that

799
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: your daily diet every single day? Because if anyone follows

800
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 3: you on Twitter, it's like it's like a daily obsession

801
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 3: for you.

802
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, I am a bit of a care kissed or at.

803
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 6: I can't say that I always.

804
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: Eat all of them, but you try them all.

805
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: I do tray them all, I do trade them all. Yeah,

806
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: have a sweet tooth.

807
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 6: I mean, Scotland is very famous in not such a

808
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 6: good way for having sweet tooth. We are unfortunately one

809
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 6: of the most obese nations.

810
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 3: And yes, I have a brother in law who is

811
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 3: from Scottish descent and every Christmas mum cooks his mother

812
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 3: cooks the most fattening food I've ever seen in my life.

813
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: But for one day of the year, I can handle it.

814
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 3: But my god, if that's the daily routine, you guys

815
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 3: need to get some nutrition books and we.

816
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 6: Need to exercise more rich of course is our point.

817
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:39,959
Speaker 6: Get out in the fresh air and get off the coach.

818
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's crazy moving.

819
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 3: You actually do have a great sense of humors. I

820
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 3: think that you have passed that down to your boys,

821
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 3: But that comes from your mum, because you give your

822
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 3: mum some shit on Twitter as well. Oh yeah, I

823
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 3: mean you wrote something the other day about Jamie paid

824
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 3: an incredible mixed doubles match. He comes back from five

825
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 3: to one and you called your mum. I love that

826
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 3: you call your mum'ster, you know, did you see And

827
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 3: then what does she say to you?

828
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 6: She said, well, yes, but he took so long that

829
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 6: my fish pie dried up and it ruined our tea,

830
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 6: you know, like I'm like, mum whatever, you know, like

831
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 6: that was an unbelievable match. Yes, I know it took

832
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 6: three sets and almost three hours, but really.

833
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: You've ruined the fish.

834
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know you kind of need your parents,

835
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 6: don't you, to keep you grounded. And the important things

836
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 6: in life to them are food and their dog.

837
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 3: And oh you have the dogs are important in the

838
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 3: Murray family. I know that grandkids. Hell the do you

839
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 3: want to get them into tennis? Would you even consider

840
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 3: like trying to push them into tennis? I think they think,

841
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 3: I mean, because it's a big legacy.

842
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 6: That will be entirely up to up to Andy and Kim.

843
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 6: But I was talking to Tim the other day about

844
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 6: his daughters and they're fifteen, thirteen and ten now, and

845
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 6: I said, do they play tennis?

846
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 1: And he said, just really recreationally.

847
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 6: But he's said, it's a tough thing the name having

848
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 6: the name Henman.

849
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: You know, you Murray.

850
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, you go into a sport that your family is

851
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 6: excellent at. And he said he was quite glad that

852
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 6: they didn't go down that root because he thought it

853
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 6: would just have actually just caused a lot of hassle.

854
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like with Stephie, Andre, you know, can you

855
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 3: imagine being their kids playing tennis? No chance, Andrea. You know,

856
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 3: the son is a very good baseball player, so I

857
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 3: think safe to say he'll be a decent baseball player.

858
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: He is actually is getting recruited already to college. So

859
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 3: you you, as a mom, as a tennis coach, as somebody,

860
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 3: you know, the passion like what do you want the

861
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 3: legacy for the boys to be and you to be

862
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 3: in tennis? And do you do? You find it a

863
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 3: bit of a push and pull with the LTA, like

864
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 3: trying to get them to see things from your perspective

865
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: or trying to work with them a little bit more.

866
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 3: And I know you're working with the WTA, like what's

867
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 3: the one thing that you want to leave Like what

868
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 3: would be the most imp important thing for you to

869
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: leave behind as a legacy, not not only the boys

870
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: but you.

871
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 6: Well, I'm at the design stage of a multi sport

872
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 6: tennis center which will be just outside Dumbling, where we

873
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 6: come from, and it will have tennis at the heart

874
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 6: of it, but it's very much a family focused, community,

875
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 6: pay and play multi sports center, so it will have

876
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 6: six hole golf course for people to learn how to

877
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 6: play golf in a doable one hour. It takes to

878
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 6: do six halls. It'll have indoor and outdoor tennis, it

879
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 6: will have paddle tennis, it'll have many courts. It'll have

880
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 6: a huge hitting wall, like a monster hitting wall, because hey.

881
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: Ball always comes back.

882
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 3: I tell you also, I promise you whenever I see

883
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 3: kids hit volleys, you know, I say, listen, do me

884
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 3: a favor. Go over to the wall and try and

885
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 3: hit those volleys on that wall. And if you can't

886
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 3: hit three in a row, you have wrong technique. So

887
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 3: it's also you can bring me up to you. I'm

888
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 3: happy to do it. Do it lesson with the kids.

889
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 3: But it's true, like people will like everyone out there, like,

890
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 3: if you want to learn how to volley, actually go

891
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 3: and try it on a wall, because if you can't

892
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: volley consecutively on a wall close to the wall, then

893
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: you have the wrong technique. And so that's important. Always

894
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,959
Speaker 3: tell people that build tennis centers, I'm like, it needs

895
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: a wall. Yeah, it needs a wall. Make sure there's

896
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 3: a wall.

897
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 6: It's the most obvious thing because the whole thing of

898
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 6: you need somebody to play with, and if you haven't

899
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 6: got somebody to play with. You can't play unless there's

900
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 6: a wall, so that the wall is important. But this

901
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 6: the center will have, you know, it'll have the golf,

902
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 6: will have a driving range and a fun crazy golf

903
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 6: and fun.

904
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: Like putt putt, HELLI putting, you know.

905
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 6: But to make a destination, to make golf fun in

906
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 6: the same way that we will make tennis fun. You know,

907
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 6: we're going to have one of the courts is going

908
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 6: to have those late up lanes so that you can

909
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 6: flick switch and it's a tennis court, flick another switch,

910
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 6: and it's for many courts like another switch happens.

911
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 3: And you did you raise how did you raise the

912
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 3: money for that? Well, because everyone's going to think, oh,

913
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 3: of course, you know you're rich and blah blah blah.

914
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 3: But it's not about that. You have to raise the money.

915
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 6: And we've set it up as a charitable trust so

916
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 6: if it ever makes any money, I mean, the idea

917
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 6: is to is to make it sustainable so that we

918
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 6: can keep tennis and golf cheap and accessible because we'll

919
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 6: have a lot of leisure facilities around it, which should

920
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 6: make money that will offset the sport side of it.

921
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 6: So we'll have two five side football pitches. We have

922
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 6: climbing walls, soft play, a tag active zone which is

923
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 6: more aimed at teenagers. We'll have an activity adventure playground.

924
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 6: We'll fit trails through the woods. So it's all wrapped

925
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 6: up and getting families active and having lots of things

926
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 6: in the same place, so that if you're a family

927
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 6: with two kids or three kids and one wants to

928
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 6: do golf, one wants to do tennis, one wants to

929
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 6: go in the adventures, that it can all be there together,

930
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 6: and it's all.

931
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: Is there an is there an age that you can come?

932
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 3: Can I come?

933
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, you can come, you can get yeah.

934
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 6: I mean we'll have soft play, you know, for for

935
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 6: little kids, and we'll have adventure playground. Will it will

936
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 6: have sections in it for different different ages and stages.

937
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 6: It'll have a gem and a cafe and changing rooms,

938
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 6: and we're going to do the cafe out like a

939
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 6: kind of hard rock cafe, except with Jamie Andy's memorabilia,

940
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:12,479
Speaker 6: like a Tennessee sold.

941
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 3: They be a part of it quite a bit. When

942
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 3: they retire.

943
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 6: I think when they're all, yeah, they will be recruited,

944
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 6: believe me. But I've done it all myself. Because you have,

945
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 6: because they have to do what they have to do.

946
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 6: But that will be our bricks and mortar legacy to

947
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 6: our area and to tennis because for once, finally I

948
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 6: will have a base to work from and I will be.

949
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 3: Able to create what's it going to be called.

950
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: I don't know.

951
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 6: We haven't decided on that yet. We haven't decided on

952
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 6: that yet. It's it's aiming to open at summer twenty

953
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 6: twenty autumn twenty twenty, so we're not quite got there yet.

954
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 6: But we have nineteen house plots on the land so

955
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 6: you can buy help we casell we sell the houseplots

956
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 6: and the money from the house plots will offset some

957
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 6: of the sporting stuff. We will still have need gap

958
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 6: funding for it, and once we finish the design and

959
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 6: the business plan, then we can go out and find sponsors, philanthropists, investors.

960
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 3: Again, I hear the word passion. You don't have the passion.

961
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 3: You can't do something of this normality unless you your

962
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,479
Speaker 3: end result, just like winning Wimbledon, just like being number

963
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 3: one in the world, anything in business, you have to

964
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 3: have the passion for the end result, and the end

965
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 3: result is to have something that you have envisioned your

966
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 3: whole I mean, I think you've envisioned this your whole life. Yeah,

967
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 3: you know, maybe it's not the mum's toy store. It's

968
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 3: your toy store, right, this is your this is your

969
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 3: toy store and the boys.

970
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 6: You're right, and it is that when I was a

971
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 6: young mom, you know, we were always having to drive

972
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 6: to the nearest big towel, cricket and rugby and you

973
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 6: just end up becoming like a taxi driver and a

974
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 6: human ATM machine.

975
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: So actually having everything in.

976
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 6: One place to me makes total sense. And you know,

977
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 6: our interest in it is not commercial. It is in

978
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 6: a healthier nation. It's for me a base from which

979
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 6: I can build a workforce for Scotland because people can

980
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 6: come to me with their young players and you know,

981
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 6: and if we make a really good sporting and business

982
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 6: model out of this, it could very easily be replicated

983
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 6: around Scotland. And then if we had I don't know,

984
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 6: eight of these across Scotland. I don't mean I want

985
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 6: eight of them, You're very happy just have one, but

986
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 6: somebody could take the model, then our sport would be

987
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 6: in a much healthier position for in general. Yeah, and

988
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 6: I just a healthier fitter more active nation is what

989
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 6: underpins all of it. But if I can build a

990
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 6: tennis workforce for Scotland from that base with my van

991
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 6: as well, because maybe somebody else is going out in

992
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 6: my van.

993
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 3: But I'll.

994
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: You'd love it. We can'st fun ever, we can't.

995
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 3: We can't not advisable. What about the summer?

996
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 6: You have decent weather in the way sometimes we have

997
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 6: decent weather. We've had a good summer this summer. But

998
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 6: you have to watch out in Scotland for the midgies.

999
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 6: These are tiny little Yeah, you just.

1000
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 3: Got to be in a fly ten or something like that.

1001
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: I think I would, you know, I know that you

1002
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 3: can provide me with some safety there. If it's not

1003
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: I don't want to fly. I don't want to fly

1004
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 3: spray all over me though that's sticky and all right.

1005
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 3: So last question, Gindy, because I love you to death,

1006
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: because we get along so well, we could sit and

1007
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: talk about tennis and passion for hours and hours and hours,

1008
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 3: as we do when we see each other. If I

1009
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 3: get asked the question by parents all the time, what

1010
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 3: do I do?

1011
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: You know?

1012
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 3: They come to me and I don't have kids, but

1013
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 3: I tell them what was important for me as a

1014
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 3: kid and what was the most important thing to make

1015
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 3: me have passion for the sport? And you do have

1016
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 3: to have passion. I've heard it all week from Rafa,

1017
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 3: i heard it all week from Roger every Serena. What

1018
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 3: she's doing and you know her achievements, it's all about passion.

1019
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 3: They want to play, they want to just play tennis.

1020
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: You know Kim Klis has talked about She can honestly

1021
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 3: say she never played for money. Tennis court is about.

1022
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 3: It was her psychologist. It was everything for her when

1023
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 3: she was going through hard times losing your father. So

1024
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 3: I want to know from you, who not only grew

1025
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: up playing tennis yourself and was a very good player

1026
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 3: in your own right and has brought up to wonderful

1027
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 3: tennis players and to wonderful kids. What would you what's

1028
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 3: the most like if someone came to you and you

1029
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 3: had to summon up in one minute, what do you

1030
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 3: tell them parenting of of what you know? If a

1031
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 3: parent came to you and said, Judy, how do I

1032
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 3: You know they're going to ask you the question, but

1033
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 3: how do I make my kid or how do I

1034
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 3: get my kid into tennis? What's the most important thing

1035
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 3: for me as a parent with the kid who wants

1036
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 3: to play tennis.

1037
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 6: I think probably the most important thing is to understand

1038
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 6: as much as you can about what tennis is going

1039
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 6: to demand of the child, because if you don't play tennis,

1040
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 6: you need to understand what it's going to demand of

1041
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 6: them in terms of playing the game, and then the

1042
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 6: sort of lafer ound it, the environment around it. And

1043
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 6: you know, when you play tennis, you're out there on

1044
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 6: your own unless you're playing deuvils, and so we need

1045
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 6: to we need to develop independent problem solving kids and

1046
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 6: parents always have far more access to the kids than

1047
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 6: the coaches will do. So I think it's that making

1048
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 6: that triangle between the parent, the player, and the coach

1049
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 6: and understanding everybody's role within it. But I think the

1050
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 6: parents what underpins everything, of course, is your unconditional support

1051
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 6: for helping them to you create the opportunities as a

1052
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 6: parent for them in life.

1053
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: So you often have to create those opportunities through sports.

1054
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 6: Coaches and maybe clubs can do some of it, but

1055
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 6: an individual sport, the onllness is on the parents to

1056
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 6: make things happen for the kids.

1057
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 3: To understand their personalities.

1058
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 6: Oh totally understand well, you know your child as a

1059
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 6: person better than anybody else, so you know what they

1060
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 6: will react and respond to.

1061
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: So I've always.

1062
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 6: Found myself along in recent years whenever Andy changes coaches,

1063
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 6: you spend a lot of time talking to them about

1064
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 6: more about how they are, how their their personality to

1065
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 6: help the coaches to sort of fast track that a

1066
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 6: little bit, because the better you know them as a person,

1067
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 6: the more chance you have to influence a performance or

1068
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 6: an improvement out of them. And sometimes coaches don't have

1069
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 6: a whole lot of time to get to know them

1070
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 6: as people. But I think for you know, for parents

1071
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 6: understand what tennis will demand of them on the court

1072
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 6: and around the court. For me, probably from about Andy

1073
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 6: being fifteen, it was about finding the right people, the

1074
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 6: right environment at the right time. And because you change

1075
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 6: all the time, you need different horses for courses, different

1076
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 6: people at different stages of the development. But the unconditional support,

1077
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 6: of course has to be there and when they're young

1078
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 6: to ensure that the parents understand that it's not about

1079
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 6: winning and losing, it's actually about the long term development

1080
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 6: of the skills that you need to be able to play.

1081
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: What is a complex cerebral sport.

1082
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 3: Well, well, Jindy, thanks so much. And I know that

1083
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 3: you've got to watch Jimie in another mixed double's final,

1084
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 3: so you've got the stress of that match. But I know,

1085
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 3: I know more importantly about that is that you just

1086
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 3: you love the fact that he's having success as well,

1087
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 3: that he gets the dew that is he's deserved of,

1088
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 3: especially being the older brother. And I just want to

1089
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 3: thank you for giving back to the sport because it's

1090
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: important to have people like you, especially strong women like

1091
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 3: you in our sport. And you know, as a former

1092
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 3: female player and somebody who loves the sport as much

1093
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 3: as your thanks so much.

1094
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: It's a pleasure. So it's always.

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Speaker 7: And that's it for this episode of the Racket Magazine podcast.

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Speaker 7: Thanks for listening. Our host is Renee Stubbs. Our co

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Speaker 7: host and producer is me Keaitlin Thompson. Music by internationally

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Speaker 7: renowned DJ Stretch Armstrong. Thanks to Tim Or, Jerry Taylor

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Speaker 7: Dalton and the team at ACAST. Find us at racketmag

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Speaker 7: dot com, slash podcast and subscribe to us at any

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Speaker 7: of your favorite podcatchers.