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Speaker 1: And by the way, this is purely and I'm just
Speaker 1: being upfront with my colleagues and the listeners. This is
Speaker 1: a run out the clock situation today for the old
Speaker 1: zeuser after Monday night football. Don't really want to be here,
Speaker 1: but I mean we'll we sensed that total pro I'm here,
Speaker 1: uh out the clock situation after about a quarter it
Speaker 1: sure was. Um, so I'm not happy. I mean I
Speaker 1: sent my son to school yesterday morning in Sam Donald Jersey.
Speaker 1: It was it was my father, Keith's birthday. UM. I
Speaker 1: was looking forward to that game, as were many Jets fans.
Speaker 1: So we'll get into all that. This is a run
Speaker 1: out the clock situation, all right. Coming up on today's show,
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas and Andrew Hawkins UH, former teammates on the
Speaker 1: Browns Good Buddies and now co host of the Tomahawk
Speaker 1: UH podcast The Tomahawks Show I should call it, which
Speaker 1: is on the Uninterrupted network, but you can get it
Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. They will join us in
Speaker 1: a little home and home. Greg and Mark will do
Speaker 1: their show on Sunday and Joe and Andrew will be
Speaker 1: on with us later on. That will be a fun convo. Also,
Speaker 1: Mark wrote a banger on his assistant Coach of the
Speaker 1: Year rankings. Will check in with that and see who's
Speaker 1: in the lead. I got a good feeling about might
Speaker 1: be wrong. We'll preview Thursday night football UM between the
Speaker 1: Redskins and Vikings. Will keep that one pretty quick. Two
Speaker 1: minutes drill, two minute drill on that one. We got
Speaker 1: some news to hit and including three trades. But before that, yes,
Speaker 1: it's a run out the clock Tuesday, So let's talk
Speaker 1: about Monday night football. It takes the sound the Jets
Speaker 1: much for Brandy loves to throw the sack open touch
Speaker 1: out Patriots, but a beautiful throw TV twelve I could
Speaker 1: call places up here Bob soci and another guy for
Speaker 1: the Patriots radio network. From the first drive of the game,
Speaker 1: which I believe lasted about plays for eighty yards and
Speaker 1: a touchdown. Through that Dorset touchdown, and then some more,
Speaker 1: the Patriots dominate the New York Jets start to finish
Speaker 1: thirty three zip the final a game in which um
Speaker 1: Tom Brady had all day to make decisions and did
Speaker 1: a lot of his thinking and dunking, and it worked
Speaker 1: quite well. But this story was the defense for the
Speaker 1: New England Patriots. Patriots which continues to play at a
Speaker 1: historic level. The Jets, obviously, as you can tell from
Speaker 1: the final score, we're able to do nothing. In fact,
Speaker 1: they managed just a hundred and fifty four total yards
Speaker 1: on the game are average less than three yards per play,
Speaker 1: and Sam Donald suffered through the worst game of his life,
Speaker 1: levin for thirty two eighty six yards, no touchdowns, four interceptions,
Speaker 1: and a lost fumble passerrating of three points six So
Speaker 1: uh as one sided a football game as you'll ever
Speaker 1: see on Sunday on Monday Night football. Uh, not a
Speaker 1: good look for the Jets and the PA or seven
Speaker 1: or I think Bill Belichick is loving coaching this defense,
Speaker 1: and I think that was maybe a little lost in
Speaker 1: the off season. They you know, they lose the defensive coaches.
Speaker 1: Maybe not the worst thing in the world that Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick has more hands on experience with this group. Sometimes
Speaker 1: he's calling the plays, maybe most of the time he's not,
Speaker 1: but he has a group of guys that have been
Speaker 1: there for the most part. He had twenty guys played
Speaker 1: twenty plus snaps last night. I think that's I've mentioned
Speaker 1: this these stats like this pretty often, but they have
Speaker 1: such a deep roster that they can use for who
Speaker 1: they want on different plays. They all are so smart
Speaker 1: that they can execute any plan depending on the weekend.
Speaker 1: And this plan, he had a lot of fun throwing
Speaker 1: these zero blitzes at Sam Donald, where if you've got
Speaker 1: Gilmore and the McCarthy brothers in the back, you can
Speaker 1: get wild and test the Jets offensive line, which has
Speaker 1: been banged up. Test Adam Gates and Sam Donald's ability. Uh,
Speaker 1: to protect and they just had absolutely no answer. And
Speaker 1: I think if you're a That's fan, the biggest concern
Speaker 1: is that they didn't come up with answers during the
Speaker 1: game it got worse, and not that they gave up
Speaker 1: by any means, but they there was no fight to them.
Speaker 1: They sort of got knocked out early. Uh, and then
Speaker 1: they couldn't come up with any way to counter. Well,
Speaker 1: this Patriots defense is doing things we are unlikely to
Speaker 1: ever see again. One touchdown allowed versus eighteen interceptions. Um,
Speaker 1: that's a a passer rating a thirty five point six.
Speaker 1: If you just throw the ball into the ground every time,
Speaker 1: it's a thirty nine passer rating. You're never gonna see
Speaker 1: a one to eighteen interception ratio over seven games span.
Speaker 1: I don't care who's playing quarterback. It's been a bad
Speaker 1: schedule as far as the other teams the quality of play,
Speaker 1: But you have to go back many, many years to
Speaker 1: different eras of football to see a stretch like that.
Speaker 1: Are the last team over seven games span with a
Speaker 1: one to eight teen TD the interception ratio. I just
Speaker 1: watched Belichick and feel like that there were added challenges
Speaker 1: coming into this season because they are you know on
Speaker 1: paper undermanned on the offensive line, they're undermanned at skill positions,
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position, the tight end position, post Gronkowski,
Speaker 1: and on defense. It's not a ton of stars by
Speaker 1: NFL standards, but it is the perfect soup for Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick to put on a weekly masterclass, which is tiring
Speaker 1: too many viewers, except for the fact that I don't
Speaker 1: want to listen to the concept that they aren't playing
Speaker 1: real NFL teams because I don't. I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: find out two months from now. That doesn't matter. I
Speaker 1: have no issues thinking this team will go sixteen and oh,
Speaker 1: I don't care who you roll out there in front
Speaker 1: of them. They're going to operate at a completely different level.
Speaker 1: And watching the Jets, Joe Douglas is a promising general manager.
Speaker 1: I just had to wonder what he was thinking on
Speaker 1: the Adam Gaze front. Is this the guy that you
Speaker 1: ride with Adam Gaze from now until the end? No
Speaker 1: final answers right now, but to your point, greg at
Speaker 1: Gaze was hired as an experienced head coach to do this,
Speaker 1: to come out of halftime encounter Bill Belichick and stop
Speaker 1: some of the bleeding. Even with a lesser roster and
Speaker 1: from Adam Gaze's postgame pregame persona in general to how
Speaker 1: he's in game coaching, I'm I'm concerned. If I'm Joe Douglas,
Speaker 1: you should be. Everyone connected with the Jets should be
Speaker 1: concerned with how they came out, because the scariest thing, um,
Speaker 1: if you're following the Jets here is how great they
Speaker 1: looked um against the Cowboys, and how great Donald looked.
Speaker 1: You can't hanging on all he's coming back from Mono
Speaker 1: and all that, because we saw last week that he was,
Speaker 1: in fact, he was named the a f C Offensive
Speaker 1: Player of the Week. And and yes there is the
Speaker 1: you know, big storyline that rippled through social media and
Speaker 1: became a huge story today that uh, he's miked up
Speaker 1: for sound Donald on the sideline and you hear him
Speaker 1: say to himself that he was seeing ghosts, which a nice,
Speaker 1: little unique twist is always a little extra twist the knife.
Speaker 1: As a Jets fan, that becomes the dominant story around
Speaker 1: this game. It makes Darnald look weak um to a
Speaker 1: lot of people. And Steve Weisch, who's um a voice
Speaker 1: in this building that we all quite respect. He said
Speaker 1: it today on NFL network. That's gonna stick with Donald forever. Uh.
Speaker 1: And that's that was just the cherry on top of
Speaker 1: the game. Uh, from a Jet perspective. And I think
Speaker 1: for Donald coming out of this game as poorly as
Speaker 1: he played, and he played terribly, the decisions he was making,
Speaker 1: it was like a different guy. I mean, I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I was watching the game in a state of shock
Speaker 1: with some some of the decisions he was making. He
Speaker 1: was clearly rattled, which he acknowledged. He handled himself well
Speaker 1: after the game. But this cover zero blitz, which Dani
Speaker 1: Rolovski at ESPN was saying this morning, is both historic
Speaker 1: and general general generational to him. He couldn't figure out
Speaker 1: how to handle it. And it's a big test now
Speaker 1: for Donald going forward, because there is a fear that
Speaker 1: every Jets fan has, whether they're speaking or not, that
Speaker 1: this will be a turning point for Donald. And then
Speaker 1: when Donald does not make it, oh, the Patriots got
Speaker 1: the Jets again. It Never forget what happened in primetime
Speaker 1: when he saw ghosts. He needs to rise above it.
Speaker 1: I believe in him. I think he's a truly special
Speaker 1: town who had a dreadful night and he has to
Speaker 1: find his way out of it. It's a big challenge
Speaker 1: for him. I'm not worried that he said he's seeing ghosts.
Speaker 1: If anything, that shows some self awareness. I think there's
Speaker 1: some some people who like a quarterback in that position,
Speaker 1: would be so shell shocked that they can't even be
Speaker 1: honest and communicate, you know, their weakness. That doesn't show
Speaker 1: any weakness, that's just being real. He just happened to
Speaker 1: have a microphone on him. But the concerning thing to
Speaker 1: me was the second half play, you know, the one
Speaker 1: of the interception he threw in the end zone. He
Speaker 1: was protected well, you know, they picked up the blitz
Speaker 1: and he threw off his back foot, you know, sensing
Speaker 1: the pressure, and you saw a lot of that in
Speaker 1: the second half. Um where not that he was checked out,
Speaker 1: but they had won that game against him mentally because
Speaker 1: on the plays that they were protecting him, he was
Speaker 1: still making really bad decisions. But you give credit, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of the credit obviously goes to the game
Speaker 1: and plan that the Patriots in Belgick has that they've
Speaker 1: made bad offenses, and I guess the Jets. You know,
Speaker 1: in two of the three games Darnald has started, has
Speaker 1: been a bad offense. They've made bad offenses, look, you know,
Speaker 1: historically bad. I am curious to see now that they're
Speaker 1: going to face the part of the schedule that they
Speaker 1: play some good offenses. I don't think it's gonna you know,
Speaker 1: continue at this rate, but there's still gonna be a
Speaker 1: load to deal with and still maybe the best thief.
Speaker 1: It bothers me that we need Donald to be a
Speaker 1: plug and play superstar already. I think there's some of
Speaker 1: this going on this season with Baker Mayfield when he
Speaker 1: struggles too, that we've forgotten that playing quarterback that you
Speaker 1: you know, we have other quarterbacks that are in their
Speaker 1: fourth and fifth season starting to show some of the
Speaker 1: traits you want to see. And a lot of it
Speaker 1: is the overly long off season where expectations around a
Speaker 1: Sam Donald around at Baker Mayfield or Josh Allen or whoever.
Speaker 1: We want them to be completely prepared and ready to go,
Speaker 1: as you know Steve Young right now, and it's gonna
Speaker 1: take years. I I am I'm appalled at some of
Speaker 1: the overreaction to Donald's performance when he is essentially still
Speaker 1: playing his first season as a quarterback. The Rocky Mountains
Speaker 1: have weather swings of up to ninety degrees in a
Speaker 1: single day. That's what you get with young quarterbacks. You know,
Speaker 1: you can look like the a f C player of
Speaker 1: the Week one week and then look like a guy
Speaker 1: who makes your fan base question him the next week.
Speaker 1: All all young quarterbacks sea ghosts, and a lot of
Speaker 1: veteran quarterbacks sea ghosts. This thing's overblown, and it's because
Speaker 1: it's a fun like descriptive term that conjures up a
Speaker 1: striking image and really as the twin benefit of allowing
Speaker 1: the user to sound like a Ron Jaworski level quarterback
Speaker 1: expert at the same time throwing shade at your rival
Speaker 1: team for a quarter you know, just insinuating your quarterback
Speaker 1: might not have the if fact well, it's also just
Speaker 1: dominance you don't normally see at the NFL level. So
Speaker 1: people are fascinated by that. They've they've gone forty six
Speaker 1: straight possessions without scoring on the Patriots. They didn't score
Speaker 1: on offense once in either of their two games against
Speaker 1: the Page Tree. It's so it's it's seen something you
Speaker 1: don't normally see at the NFL level. But they'll move on,
Speaker 1: like I don't expect this to leave the last. I mean,
Speaker 1: Belichick hates the Jets. I think as much as anything
Speaker 1: that exists on our planet. You're probably right about that.
Speaker 1: Adam Gaze, for what it's worth, is furious that um
Speaker 1: Sam Donald's comment to himself was put on national television.
Speaker 1: Let's hear what Gates had to say during his Tuesday
Speaker 1: press conference. I know once a year, I have to
Speaker 1: do the same thing. I mean, it's just kind of
Speaker 1: part of part of the deal. And you know, obviously
Speaker 1: obviously you know, you're never anticipating something like that happening,
Speaker 1: and the fact that it did just just gives us
Speaker 1: just gives us pause to to really cooperate anymore, because
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I don't know how we can allow,
Speaker 1: you know, our our franchise quarterback to to be put
Speaker 1: out put out there like that. There's an understanding, uh,
Speaker 1: with these situations. He is the golden boy of the
Speaker 1: Jets organization. They give you access. The Jets give ESPN
Speaker 1: and NFL films access to Donald. In return for that access,
Speaker 1: you need to make sure you don't do something that
Speaker 1: could haunt this kid for the rest of his career,
Speaker 1: which is what they did. And what seems what has
Speaker 1: the Jet so angry is that you can't point at
Speaker 1: ESPN and be angry and say how could you do this?
Speaker 1: There is a process, and it was reported this morning
Speaker 1: that NFL Films is directly involved to the point where
Speaker 1: NFL Films is on site and they clear what goes
Speaker 1: to ESPN, and part of that job, I would imagine
Speaker 1: every week is filtering out things that could be harmful
Speaker 1: to a player team. This gets through and again I
Speaker 1: even thought later as fascinating as it as it was,
Speaker 1: when you have Mike footage of Gaze and Donald face
Speaker 1: to face Gaze trying to talk his his young quarterback
Speaker 1: um into snapping out of it, I felt that to
Speaker 1: be incredibly intimate and overly intimate and invasive. What should
Speaker 1: have been a private moment between coach and player was
Speaker 1: blasted out because the game was a blowout and ESPN
Speaker 1: needed something to juice it up. I understand why people
Speaker 1: want that kind of stuff, but when it's happening to
Speaker 1: your team or your organization, you understand why nobody's gonna
Speaker 1: want to do going forward, I think NFL Films and
Speaker 1: ESPN will rue the day that they handled this the
Speaker 1: way they did. I think there's probably regret. I also,
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about Sam Donald, like letting it bother him,
Speaker 1: like if that, if that, because it seemed like it
Speaker 1: killed him. I mean, if it becomes something that like
Speaker 1: hurts his career, he wasn't the guy to begin with
Speaker 1: it doesn't. He just doesn't seem like that type of
Speaker 1: I think most of the people that get to the
Speaker 1: point that Sam Donald are not that type of guy.
Speaker 1: It's something that if you're Gaze or you're the Jets,
Speaker 1: you want to protect your guy. But ultimately, like he's
Speaker 1: a big boy, He's gonna handle a lot big, bigger
Speaker 1: problems than this, like the you know week on a
Speaker 1: weekly basis. I'd argue that he put the Mono narrative,
Speaker 1: which was generating all sorts of giggles from a bunch
Speaker 1: of whitcrackers and hobby horses online to bed with the
Speaker 1: Cowboys game, right, But that's that's Donald's. Donald's attached. When
Speaker 1: you are a young quarterback and you get drafted by
Speaker 1: a franchise that has been a laughing stock, and there's
Speaker 1: four or five of these teams out there, and a
Speaker 1: lot of those holes were addressed last two drafts ago.
Speaker 1: Donald's gonna have to be the mentally strong guy that
Speaker 1: puts up with the next thing that happens. And I
Speaker 1: totally see a guy in all of his media availability
Speaker 1: that it is not some drama queen that's gonna rise
Speaker 1: and fall with this. He's got a peer past it,
Speaker 1: and we are we live in a society right now
Speaker 1: that will completely Yes, it can stick to the Jets
Speaker 1: because things do. It can be forgotten with three or
Speaker 1: four good games or a nice month by Donald because
Speaker 1: that's what he is, who cares about this moment with
Speaker 1: gaze In the end, He's not some hothouse flower bo
Speaker 1: nice night for my Stephan Gilmour for Defensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Year each week, stack them up. He probably doesn't
Speaker 1: even deserve it, but the narrative is starting to build
Speaker 1: at least that it makes sense because he's kind of
Speaker 1: the representative of this second. You could argue, just say
Speaker 1: strongly for Jamie Collins or Devin mccordy or even Kyle
Speaker 1: van hupfull of votes for Kyl Vanoy and he's beating
Speaker 1: this team. I mean, you you get losses, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about it. In one second. You're gonna you know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about the trade. This is the worst Patriots
Speaker 1: offense in more than a decade, and they showed it again.
Speaker 1: Let's get into that. Let's go move away from Monday
Speaker 1: Night Football, never to speak of it again, and do
Speaker 1: some news. Alright, New England Patriots. You'll notice, yes, as
Speaker 1: Greg is alluding to, even in a Blood of the Jets,
Speaker 1: everything is dink and Duncan is not an explosive offense.
Speaker 1: And with Josh Gordon out, Uh, it wasn't gonna be
Speaker 1: a downfield attack, really, but they need somebody to stretch
Speaker 1: the field, which is not Mohammed Sanu. But he is
Speaker 1: a competent guy that's been in the league for a
Speaker 1: while that can make plays and is right in that
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick model right down to his Rutgers UH lineage.
Speaker 1: So the Pats pull the trigger on a deal. They
Speaker 1: get some new from the Falcons in exchange for a
Speaker 1: second round pick. Rap Sheet reported Tuesday morning. Uh. New
Speaker 1: England had previously made a move for Senu during the
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen draft and Atlanta held off. Atlanta is now
Speaker 1: in the tank. Uh, they're looking forward. So they say
Speaker 1: goodbye to Sanu and we'll get into the value of
Speaker 1: the deal. Because I feel like the Falcons did a
Speaker 1: great job here. But let's start where you were heading.
Speaker 1: Greg on what he does for the offense and a
Speaker 1: Patriots offense that needs help. He gives them some versatility.
Speaker 1: All I could think watching them the last few weeks
Speaker 1: is they are a Julian Edelman away from being a
Speaker 1: bad offense. Right now, they're okay. They're thirteenth in d
Speaker 1: v O A, they're twenty one in yards per play.
Speaker 1: You know, they did not they had involve fourteen different times.
Speaker 1: Last night they had three twenty yards. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: kind of what what I've expected. Everything is hard, everything
Speaker 1: is a five yard game. They don't have good left
Speaker 1: tackle play. Hopefully they get Isaiah Win back. They don't
Speaker 1: have anything really down the field. Sanu gives them diversity.
Speaker 1: Mike Reaes pointed out how in the Giants game they
Speaker 1: ran the same personnel package the whole sete and half.
Speaker 1: Last night they only had two personnel packages. One of
Speaker 1: them had two undrafted rookies in it. Jacobe Myers is
Speaker 1: playing well, um, but you don't necessarily The other one
Speaker 1: had two tight ends they signed that week. And that's it,
Speaker 1: And that's not takeing. I think Tom Brady looks pretty
Speaker 1: good overall because you're not taking advantage of what he
Speaker 1: does well, and that's putting a lot of different personnel
Speaker 1: groups out there and then him being able to pick
Speaker 1: the mismatch and beat you before the snap. When you're
Speaker 1: that limited and you have no versatility, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: do it. So Sinew adds another guy over the middle
Speaker 1: that they can use, and they might not be done yet.
Speaker 1: This is the perfect NFL trade. I like it for
Speaker 1: both teams. It's a respective veteran with Super Bowl experience,
Speaker 1: a glue guy, a gadget play skill set which Josh
Speaker 1: McDaniels will fall in love with. Saves Bill Belichick from
Speaker 1: using that second round pick on a cornerback. It will
Speaker 1: sit the bench for two years and to get flipped
Speaker 1: to the Titans or Lines for a conditional seventh um.
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels are probably taken for a Wildcats spin in
Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks. Put those trick plays on
Speaker 1: ice until the divisional round where he picks up a
Speaker 1: key first down and then uh he'll collaborate with Edelman
Speaker 1: on a double throwback reverse flee flicker statue of liberty
Speaker 1: with a hook and ladder to a streaking Rex Burkhead
Speaker 1: for the game. When he scored to beat Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, everybody's happy. But this is another
Speaker 1: instance of a seller's market. Look at the Falcons once
Speaker 1: got Tony Gonzalez for the same price, right, and then
Speaker 1: he went onto four Pro Bowls, made the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: At Bill Belichick was using gunner coverage on him in
Speaker 1: the red zone. I've never thought the Patriots made any
Speaker 1: decisions based on that the end might be coming for
Speaker 1: Tom Brady until maybe this move. You know, just that hey,
Speaker 1: we really need something this year. We've got a chance
Speaker 1: this year. We only have so many years, and so
Speaker 1: I think the value makes sense. They're gonna have some
Speaker 1: new uh next year as well, and so it's not
Speaker 1: just a one year move on a very cheap cond
Speaker 1: I think they just continue to pound away to position
Speaker 1: the needs help. You said that about acquiring Josh Gordon
Speaker 1: last year, that they're seeing the end of Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: I think it's a position group that New England's gonna
Speaker 1: treat this process differently than other teams. It was a
Speaker 1: raging weakness that's on the edge of being one if
Speaker 1: they had more injuries, they continue to produce and they're
Speaker 1: slowly turning that position group into a strength go A
Speaker 1: healthy Gordon Edelman and Mohammed Sanu is an awesome wide
Speaker 1: receiver group. If they're all playing door and the fact
Speaker 1: that it's gonna be, they're gonna they I don't think
Speaker 1: they're going. But but who's there, Like, who's scaring them
Speaker 1: in the a f C right now? Right now? AFC
Speaker 1: is a hot mess right now, right now, to me,
Speaker 1: it's not that important. But I think the Ravens, the Texans,
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs are all very scary long term that
Speaker 1: one or two of those teams their best they're gonna be.
Speaker 1: But I I can I can already see it now
Speaker 1: that we're going to get a Baltimore, New England playoff
Speaker 1: matchup where Belichick is going to relish and totally thrive
Speaker 1: in the Concepts gonna erry the Ravens for one week
Speaker 1: and allowing seven points, like you know what, the different
Speaker 1: organization than any thirty one other organization. Absolutely, this is
Speaker 1: the best defense that they've had since one or oh three.
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to put them above those groups at all,
Speaker 1: because I think you have to see them against better
Speaker 1: teams and aunt in the talents out there, but where
Speaker 1: we are going to see them. They do play the Ravens,
Speaker 1: Texans and Chiefs. Coming up, they play the the Eagles
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys. Those are their next games. So after
Speaker 1: the Browns game this week, which I also you know,
Speaker 1: think has its dangers to it, we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: Like I just think it. The Jaguars and the Cults
Speaker 1: can shut down the Texans, who are hot and cold,
Speaker 1: and when they're hot, they're hot. Yes, the Patriots can too.
Speaker 1: These challenging games that are coming up on the slate,
Speaker 1: there's no bigger challenge than trying to outdue Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: over the course of the three day preparation period. Another
Speaker 1: wide receiver trade to hit here. The Broncos are trading
Speaker 1: wide receiver Emmanuel Sanders to the San Francisco forty Niners. Uh.
Speaker 1: The Niners are sending a third and a fourth round
Speaker 1: pick in the upcoming draft to Denver, who are also
Speaker 1: including a round pick with Sanders in the deal. Sanders,
Speaker 1: thirty two years old, came back from an achilles injury
Speaker 1: suffered just last December, but had a really nice year
Speaker 1: last year before going down and despite uh playing with
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco, which presents all sorts of challenges for a
Speaker 1: wide receiver. He's been productive this season as well, not
Speaker 1: all pro productive, but still seems to have it. Uh
Speaker 1: So this seems to me Chris Westling like a nice
Speaker 1: pickup for the Niners. Yeah, still moving really well in
Speaker 1: and out of his breaks, being a little outproduced by
Speaker 1: Courton or a lot outproduced by Courtland Sutton. But he's
Speaker 1: also drawing more coverage than Courton Courtland Sutton, which may
Speaker 1: explain some of those numbers. Nikki A Walla of The
Speaker 1: Athletic had an interview with Kyle Shanahan in December of
Speaker 1: last year, and he called Sanders one of the most
Speaker 1: underrated receivers in the league, a true number one since
Speaker 1: he's been in Denver, extremely quick, knows how to separate,
Speaker 1: can beat man coverage, and is fearless. He's been a
Speaker 1: big Emmanuel Sanders fan for a long time. They've they've
Speaker 1: been playing four to five wide receivers all about the
Speaker 1: same amount of snaps. Donte Pettis, Diva, Samuel Kendrick, Borne, Goodwin.
Speaker 1: Now they've got on that they that they know they
Speaker 1: can count on each week and it didn't cost much
Speaker 1: at all. I saw some people like, oh, well, no,
Speaker 1: wonder the Eagles didn't trade for him. That was a
Speaker 1: heavy price. He would have gotten a compensatory third round
Speaker 1: pick back for them. Anyways, he might get that for
Speaker 1: the forty Niners. They just traded what a fourth or
Speaker 1: a third in a move down from the fourth and
Speaker 1: a fifth, and you might get the compensatory pick back.
Speaker 1: They almost got him for nothing. I do wonder if
Speaker 1: this completely shuts the door on the Bengals moving AJ Green,
Speaker 1: because there were there were people linking the Niners with
Speaker 1: A J. Green, and you do you have to imagine
Speaker 1: because that front office in San Francisco goes for it.
Speaker 1: They really wanted Odell Beckham in the off season, did
Speaker 1: they try and or the nine or the Bengals just
Speaker 1: saying we're not giving this guy away, even though we
Speaker 1: made probably no way on this past That trade will
Speaker 1: never happen. The Bengals will never do anything fun for
Speaker 1: the league. I believe CBS is J. J. Green, who
Speaker 1: is not going to be trade right. Locking for a
Speaker 1: saying it's not going to resign with him has not happening.
Speaker 1: That not going to trade him one years old, many
Speaker 1: many foot problems over the last few years. His value
Speaker 1: will Probably he's never gonna be able to draw like
Speaker 1: a first or second again, probably, I don't know. He uh.
Speaker 1: He's also not going to resign with that team three
Speaker 1: months from now. He's also not returning until after the
Speaker 1: trade deadline, which I read that report as you know
Speaker 1: it's I know you've gotten on Jalen Ramsey a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that sort of situation. I think
Speaker 1: Adrian Green is smart. He's not going to return from
Speaker 1: the injury until he's absolutely ready, and he's gonna see
Speaker 1: if he gets traded first. There's no reason to save
Speaker 1: yes for the for the Bags. It's so much like
Speaker 1: the Redskins refusing refusing to trade Trent Williams. Both players
Speaker 1: passed their primes. Neither one is gonna be on the
Speaker 1: next good team for for that franchise. The NFC is
Speaker 1: so awesome with the forty Niners being kind of the
Speaker 1: new blood there that you can see six different teams
Speaker 1: going to the Super Bowl and the and the forty
Speaker 1: Niners and Cowboys are two of the ones near the
Speaker 1: top for me, and those are just like those well, yeah,
Speaker 1: the cost comes in the a f C, which has
Speaker 1: got a heaping um round of milk toast operations trying
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. A third and fourth round pick
Speaker 1: for centers. That's what I would have guessed if someone said, oh,
Speaker 1: most of New got traded to the Pats. That's why
Speaker 1: I just circling back there real quick that I thought
Speaker 1: that was a great trade Atlanta. He's essentially their third
Speaker 1: receiver and you get a second round pick, which is
Speaker 1: gold in the NFL. It's a good good trade for
Speaker 1: them too. It's gonna be the back end of the
Speaker 1: second round, at the very back end, but yeah, that's
Speaker 1: all right. I think it's a good trade for both.
Speaker 1: I think it's fair alright. Another trade, garyon Conley, the
Speaker 1: Raiders cornerback, a first round pick in two thousand seventeen.
Speaker 1: He was the guy that got stretchered off in Week
Speaker 1: one with the neck injury, but was able to get
Speaker 1: back on the field. He is now a member of
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans. The Texans shift a round pick to
Speaker 1: the Raiders for the cornerback. Um. This is a deal
Speaker 1: that once again Mark shows Bill O'Brien going all in
Speaker 1: on his team right now, giving up that third round
Speaker 1: are they acquired in the Clowney trade. They go get Connley,
Speaker 1: who has not played up to expectations, But O'Brien sees
Speaker 1: them as somebody who will upgrade their secondary now. Yet
Speaker 1: they lost Bradley Roby for you know, another month or so,
Speaker 1: if not a little bit less than that. Lonnie Johnson
Speaker 1: is the worst ranked player on their entire defense. According
Speaker 1: to PFF, they needed a lot of help in the secondary.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised to see them make another deal
Speaker 1: for this, because I think you're right, Bill O'Brien is
Speaker 1: kind of in what I love, gigantic fu mode. You
Speaker 1: don't like the way that I'm running this team, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna keep doing it my way. And if we're okay
Speaker 1: with the bell with the Bill Belichicks of the world
Speaker 1: making NonStop moves. Maybe Bill O'Brien is not as crafty
Speaker 1: a tradesman as Bill Belichick is. But I kind of
Speaker 1: think if you're a Texans fan, you can at least
Speaker 1: live in the comfort zone of knowing my team goes
Speaker 1: for it. We're not gonna sit on aging assets and
Speaker 1: not move them or not try to go get the
Speaker 1: guys that can improve, right away. Their offensive line is
Speaker 1: vastly improved because of that Huntled trade. So we're not
Speaker 1: gonna draft anyone in two thousand nineteen. Well, but more
Speaker 1: and more teams that we're calling out the wave of
Speaker 1: the future, do it. We We crowned them with read
Speaker 1: it's different. Gary and Conley struggled. I mean Gary and
Speaker 1: Kindley with this was I'm not saying Gary and Conley's
Speaker 1: answer for it, No, I agree with that, but it
Speaker 1: was an emotional trade. Gary and Kindley had an awful
Speaker 1: Sunday and they traded him the day after. The Texans
Speaker 1: lost two different cornerbacks in the last two weeks to injury,
Speaker 1: Philip gaines On I R and and Roby Shirt. They
Speaker 1: need someone to play. You know what, that's code that's
Speaker 1: code words again, Greg, what an emotional trade. That's a
Speaker 1: way of saying that O'Brien didn't think out. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about them, the Raiders, and that Conly had a terrible
Speaker 1: game and they traded him. I can buy it from
Speaker 1: the crewden Angle or he's like, you know, this guy's
Speaker 1: out the house. The reason I was gonna come to
Speaker 1: Bob's defense here, Bill O'Brien was he I'm giving him
Speaker 1: a little bit of the benefit of doubt because he's
Speaker 1: been pretty good the last few months. UH, crew and
Speaker 1: I could totally traded clown Anie for Conley. Basically, he
Speaker 1: got a third round pick for Clowney and he treat
Speaker 1: used it for Conley. We knew in August they were
Speaker 1: desperate at running back. They were desperate on the offensive line,
Speaker 1: and they were desperate in the secondary. And they fixed
Speaker 1: running back an offensive line. They're still desperate in the secondary.
Speaker 1: This doesn't fix anything, I don't believe, all right. Finally
Speaker 1: in the news, the Super Bowl cramper black of Baper
Speaker 1: old Man Willie Yes. One of the indelible images in
Speaker 1: the history of UH the NFL, shot by NFL film
Speaker 1: cinematographer cinematographer Ernie Earns was Willie Brown. UH. It's in
Speaker 1: Super Bowl leven with the pick six that clinched the
Speaker 1: raiders first ever Super Bowl title. John Madden on the sideline,
Speaker 1: Hal Davis uh the king of the world at that time,
Speaker 1: and and Willie Brown passed away on Tuesday at the
Speaker 1: age of seventy eight. Um had a great career over
Speaker 1: sixteen seasons. One of the great ball Hawks, he was
Speaker 1: known as the godfather of the bump and run UH
Speaker 1: played twelve of his sixteen seasons with the Raiders. UH.
Speaker 1: Nine time Pro Bowler, five time All Pro UH, Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame in shrine e and uh Wes. You will
Speaker 1: not hear anyone say a bad thing about Brown, who
Speaker 1: stayed connected to the football and the Raiders for his
Speaker 1: entire life. UH. And he is one of those guys
Speaker 1: if you grew up um a little bit got you know,
Speaker 1: guys a little older than us. If you and women
Speaker 1: and women, if you grew up watching the NFL and
Speaker 1: watching NFL films, Willie Brown and those Raiders teams, UH,
Speaker 1: they stick with you. He had such a long story career,
Speaker 1: the best cornerback in a f L history. And then
Speaker 1: when the merger happens and John Madden's there, he's in
Speaker 1: Oakland for the entire John Madden era uh, in which
Speaker 1: the Raiders, Steelers, and Dolphins ruled the a f C.
Speaker 1: And he's on that franchise as Mount Rushmore. I think
Speaker 1: I like growing into a football fan around age eleven
Speaker 1: twelve in my case, some kids, you know, we have
Speaker 1: kids that are watching football up more than I was
Speaker 1: when I was young because of the of the place
Speaker 1: that we work, and I always wonder what they're gonna
Speaker 1: think and remember about the stars of today. You've got
Speaker 1: another couple of years with Tom Brady. Some of these
Speaker 1: guys that you were watching clips of who are already
Speaker 1: essentially out of the league. They know who Joe Montana
Speaker 1: is by name, But Willie Brown was someone that growing up.
Speaker 1: When I started to dig into the history of all
Speaker 1: these teams and read about the these weird seasons from
Speaker 1: the sixties and seventies, Willie Brown's name on highlights two
Speaker 1: would come up over and over and over. And it's
Speaker 1: almost just because of our age that we don't really
Speaker 1: remember him in the flesh. Is one of the biggest
Speaker 1: NFL stars around. Yeah, he's He's Inner Circle Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: They should create that, and you know he would. He
Speaker 1: would be up there of the top five or six cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: He has five first team out pros and a couple
Speaker 1: more our uh second team All Pros. That that is
Speaker 1: special stuff. He also had a four interception game against
Speaker 1: the New York Jets. So talk about your pain rankings.
Speaker 1: Even back back in the sixties, Old Dick Wood and
Speaker 1: Mike Talia Faroh, We're intercepted four times while Brown was
Speaker 1: a member of the Broncos. Greg had to dig deep
Speaker 1: for that painful to not necessary. Today, West a little
Speaker 1: impromptu game of win West's toaster in a big spot
Speaker 1: Willie Brown, like I said. Cinematographer Ernie Earns for NFL
Speaker 1: Films captures the runback. It's super slow motion, one of
Speaker 1: the great images. Pick six, Super Bowl eleven, go through
Speaker 1: the pass super Bowl eleven. I don't know Red targeted
Speaker 1: alright right now with my sons are obsessed with Rocky
Speaker 1: right now, right now, you haven't gotten the eye of
Speaker 1: the tiger back. You need Apollo to come and say,
Speaker 1: come on, man, you're blowing it and you need to
Speaker 1: start running on the beach together. Well, I'm as rusty
Speaker 1: as Melvin Gordon, so you'll have to. Yeah. The toaster
Speaker 1: also still belongs to Dave Damnaschek. Alright, Yes, Willie Brown
Speaker 1: passes away at the age of al right, that's what's
Speaker 1: happening in the news. All right. We teased it at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the show, and now here it is.
Speaker 1: We're very excited to say it's a crossover here a
Speaker 1: home and home if you will. Yes, the Great Andrew
Speaker 1: Hawkins and Joe Thomas from the Tomahawks Show from the
Speaker 1: Uninterrupted World. Welcome to the Around the NFL podcast. Boys, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you for having us guys. Quite the honor here.
Speaker 1: This is this is gonna take a little bit of
Speaker 1: time for us to get get the rhythm down. We're
Speaker 1: in like seven different locations doing this podcast, but it
Speaker 1: is long overdue. We've got to set this up so
Speaker 1: many times though. It's a pleasure to finally be here
Speaker 1: on the Ronnie Nifoh. Yeah. Your producer, of course is Head,
Speaker 1: who once upon a time produced our show here at
Speaker 1: NFL Media as his um profiles grown across the country. Um,
Speaker 1: and I did mention Uninterrupted. I just want to start here.
Speaker 1: When when you guys come to that company, Is there
Speaker 1: a sit down with Lebron where you you pitched the show?
Speaker 1: Do you get Have you had any deep conversations with
Speaker 1: Mr James? Yeah, it was like a recruiting process, so
Speaker 1: you know, we had official visit. Lebron bought us the
Speaker 1: hummer um just to get everything kicked off, and from
Speaker 1: there we had a big bag of cash that he
Speaker 1: dropped off at Joe's house and Wis constant that was
Speaker 1: used to class um as a top recruit, though, and
Speaker 1: here we are, man, it's been blissed ever since. He
Speaker 1: actually came to my mom's house and he sat down
Speaker 1: on the couch and he explained why un interrupted was
Speaker 1: the right choice, and I said, well, you know what
Speaker 1: you gotta do, Mr Lebron, You gotta show us the money.
Speaker 1: We don't go anything anywhere for free. This brings back
Speaker 1: memories of the film Blue Chips starring Nick Nulty, and
Speaker 1: exactly all right, Oh, you guys, your show is like
Speaker 1: our show. You talk about football, you talk about the
Speaker 1: Browns probably more than you should, and you do it
Speaker 1: with a little bit of mirth. So why don't we
Speaker 1: Why don't we get into some discussion and West, do
Speaker 1: you want to get us going here on some football
Speaker 1: talk the Cleveland Browns? I do because I have questions
Speaker 1: in need of answers. We we really thought this Brown's
Speaker 1: offense was gonna be dynamic, you know, with Odell Beckham
Speaker 1: providing that spacing banker making his offensive line look better
Speaker 1: last year, throwing receivers open, and they've kind of been
Speaker 1: the opposite of that against a pretty tough schedule. Do
Speaker 1: you guys see this as an offense. That's fixable the
Speaker 1: rest of the way. I was gonna say, if you
Speaker 1: could just direct the question that one of us, though,
Speaker 1: and it looks like you're looking at both of us.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So to answer your question, Um, I think
Speaker 1: we all thought the Browns offense was gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot different than what we saw in the first part
Speaker 1: of the season. But I think when you added O'Dell,
Speaker 1: you added such a deep threat, which was kind of
Speaker 1: missing last year. And I think they really thought early
Speaker 1: on in the season, Okay, we need to push the
Speaker 1: ball down the field. We need to get the ball
Speaker 1: in Odell's hands, and so they were scripting a lot
Speaker 1: of plays trying to move the ball down the field
Speaker 1: with deep throws, and I think that kind of disrupted
Speaker 1: the rhythm a little bit, and Baker got out of
Speaker 1: that rhythm that he was in towards the end of
Speaker 1: last year, doing a lot of the r P O
Speaker 1: s and the quick passes and getting the running game going. Um,
Speaker 1: And I think it led to some inconsistency, and that
Speaker 1: was pretty much throughout the entire offense. You saw a
Speaker 1: lot of inconsistency, and it was only the games that
Speaker 1: they were able to really efficiently run the football that
Speaker 1: Baker was able to kind of get into a rhythm.
Speaker 1: And I think they've done some scout self scouting in
Speaker 1: the bye week, and I think we're gonna see a
Speaker 1: lot different offense coming out of the bye week going
Speaker 1: into New England next week, and you're gonna see a
Speaker 1: renewed focus on a lot of those quick passes. Hawk
Speaker 1: talked about it a ton on our podcast, like, let's
Speaker 1: get some of those easy completions, let's get some slants,
Speaker 1: let's get some sticks, Let's get some of those easy
Speaker 1: routes and put the ball in the playmaker's hands on
Speaker 1: the edge. Give Baker those high completion percentage throws and
Speaker 1: run the football, and then the deep shots they'll be there.
Speaker 1: They'll open up those. The defense can't cover everything. They
Speaker 1: can't take away you run game, you're short passing and
Speaker 1: your deep stuff. So let the deep stuff happen within
Speaker 1: the flow of the offense. Get Baker in that running
Speaker 1: game going, and I think that's what we'll see in
Speaker 1: the next half of the season. If you're a team
Speaker 1: and you know that next up, we've got the Patriots
Speaker 1: and they've been the same team essentially in terms of
Speaker 1: being an imposing opponent for like seventeen decades in a row.
Speaker 1: If you're the Browns or you're a team that's struggling
Speaker 1: to find yourself, do you look at the matchup with
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick as a player and just say sometimes, and
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about Freddie Kitchens, but maybe you've been
Speaker 1: on a couple of Browns teams that had some suspect
Speaker 1: coaching going on. Our guys simply cannot match up with
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. How do we stand a chance in this game?
Speaker 1: Or do you have to put put the horse blinders
Speaker 1: on and just say we do have a chance. How
Speaker 1: real How realism? Where does realism play when you deal
Speaker 1: with New England. I think that no matter what in
Speaker 1: the NFL, you always do have a dance. I mean,
Speaker 1: and I know that the cliche we always say, but
Speaker 1: it's through I mean, everybody getting paid, everyone's under contract.
Speaker 1: And for Bill Belicheck, the thing it becomes is more
Speaker 1: of like the coaches. The coaches have to feel like
Speaker 1: they have a dance. The browser talents. I know, the
Speaker 1: offense hasn't looked great, No, the team has not looked incredible,
Speaker 1: but they have talent. Their problem is they haven't found
Speaker 1: that cohesion as an offense. As a team, they haven't
Speaker 1: established their strategy. It just seems like they're just throwing
Speaker 1: plays out there like they're playing Madden and you can't
Speaker 1: do that against the New England Patriots and win. So
Speaker 1: if they can come out and say, hey, here's what
Speaker 1: we do best, here's the place we're gonna start and
Speaker 1: call instead of these plays, understanding what the the Patriots
Speaker 1: are gonna give us and understanding what the Patriots are
Speaker 1: gonna take away, then I think it gives them a
Speaker 1: chance because man for man, the Browns are still a very,
Speaker 1: very talented football team and if everybody comes to their
Speaker 1: a game, they will have a fighting stamp. Joe, you
Speaker 1: were there obviously forever um and in the back half
Speaker 1: of your career especially, there was so much churn at
Speaker 1: the head coach spot, and I would wonder how much
Speaker 1: that begins to um press on a team. Now. I
Speaker 1: know when Dorsey's there, it feels like a different vibe
Speaker 1: around there. But they're coming out of the by If
Speaker 1: things don't work out against New England and the seasons
Speaker 1: really starts to spiral, does that in fact the clubhouse
Speaker 1: at a certain point the locker room once the speculation
Speaker 1: in the media starts ramping up. When whenever there's speculation
Speaker 1: in the media about the job status of the head coach,
Speaker 1: it puts a lot of pressure and stress inside that
Speaker 1: locker room because then you don't really know who to
Speaker 1: align yourself with. Right is are you gonna align yourself
Speaker 1: with the management that's gonna still be there, or are
Speaker 1: you gonna try to buddy up with the head coach
Speaker 1: and really defend him in the media. And so I
Speaker 1: think that puts the players in a difficult perspective or
Speaker 1: difficult situation. But I don't think that's gonna be the
Speaker 1: situation here. You know, John Dorsey, he hand picked Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1: That was the biggest decision he had to make so
Speaker 1: far since he was a GM. But the second biggest
Speaker 1: decision he had was who should he make the head coach,
Speaker 1: And he went out on a limb by hiring Freddie
Speaker 1: Kitchens and making him the head coach, even though Freddie
Speaker 1: had no head coaching experience, and so to be able
Speaker 1: to take that type of risk, I think he's got
Speaker 1: a lot invested in Freddie and he wants to see
Speaker 1: this thing through. I think he understands that there's gonna
Speaker 1: be some growing pains when you're dealing with a rookie
Speaker 1: head coach. And I think they're they've built up enough
Speaker 1: capital with the good things that John Dorsey has done
Speaker 1: since he's been there, that they're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: fend off any speculation or rumors that will swirl in
Speaker 1: the media about the status of Freddie Kitchens. And I
Speaker 1: think for the most part, people are gonna believe John
Speaker 1: Dorsey when he says, you know what, Freddie Kitchen is
Speaker 1: my guy. I still believe in him. I like the
Speaker 1: things he's doing, and I think for the most part
Speaker 1: that should shut down any rumors or anything that could
Speaker 1: swirl around Freddy Kitchen's job status, because I truly believe
Speaker 1: from the Hasms to John Dorsey, they want this to
Speaker 1: be a long term thing with Freddie Kitchens, and they
Speaker 1: don't want to be pulling the trigger after one season
Speaker 1: like they've done with Rob Chazinski and when he was
Speaker 1: the head coach a few years ago, and with some
Speaker 1: of these other coaches that they've got rid of quickly.
Speaker 1: They want to be the stable franchise like the Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: Steelers are as two of the great Cleveland Browns of
Speaker 1: all time. I mean, they're you still like communicating with
Speaker 1: with the team and the coaches. A lot of feelers
Speaker 1: out there. You're hearing from them, Sparrows Hawk. When are
Speaker 1: they entire in your number? By the way, I'm waiting
Speaker 1: to get into the ring of honor. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm the most efficient receiver they've had there, they've
Speaker 1: come back that that's that's that alone. I'm anything, I guess, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's a big deal. I'm also the shortest receiver
Speaker 1: they've had. The list goes. I want to know, guys, Um,
Speaker 1: Joe is the expert on getting coaches fired. But I'm
Speaker 1: glad you asked you that question because he's an expert
Speaker 1: on getting coaches fired. For Freddy Kitchens, he was really
Speaker 1: in a no win situation, right, Like, he comes in
Speaker 1: with the team with all this hype. Either A they
Speaker 1: are good and they say, well, yeah, that's because the
Speaker 1: roster is still good, or be they don't play well
Speaker 1: and it's oh, he's a rookie head coach. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have enough experience. So I actually think for Freddy Kitten's career,
Speaker 1: this was the best case scenario because now that we
Speaker 1: see that, oh, this is gonna be harder than everyone suspect.
Speaker 1: If he can turn it around, it will actually show
Speaker 1: what coach he is in the kind of job that
Speaker 1: he's done there and not that it's just he had
Speaker 1: the best players. Oh, it was an easy button for him.
Speaker 1: And it says right there on the Tomahawks show of course,
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas, uh and and Andrew Hawkins, it says right
Speaker 1: there that ten Pro Bowl bids between you, uh we uh,
Speaker 1: we've done our part for sure. And to obscure movie cameos,
Speaker 1: but those are none on the Thomas side. No, He's
Speaker 1: has a he has a space for podcasting. So I
Speaker 1: I think, uh, in front of the camera for the
Speaker 1: most part, what we're what are your movie? I was
Speaker 1: actually in IDEs of mart This is like when I
Speaker 1: was in the CFOW was in Cincinnati and someone walked
Speaker 1: into a coffee shop and they're like, hey, you want
Speaker 1: to be in a movie. I'm like, sure, that's how
Speaker 1: you're gonna You're gonna play political intern number two. And
Speaker 1: there was actually a scene in the movie that I'm
Speaker 1: only I'm in there for like a split second where
Speaker 1: I'm just walking by at the beginning. But the one
Speaker 1: thing that I filmed, I was right in between George
Speaker 1: Clooney and Ryan Gosling as they were in this heated argument,
Speaker 1: and I was so excited because I was like holding
Speaker 1: the coffee and he yells at me during the scene
Speaker 1: and I like rush off, and I'm like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: about to be a movie star. And of course it
Speaker 1: didn't make the film, and there's no like deleted themes
Speaker 1: on the DVD, so that the complete made up story
Speaker 1: to anybody at TALL. I know that Cluney and Gosling
Speaker 1: are still talking about that encounter with you and upset
Speaker 1: also that it it hit the Joe. You're you're a
Speaker 1: member of the NFL network family. Um uh, we We're
Speaker 1: gonna ask you about Colleen Wolf in a moment because
Speaker 1: we're wondering where she's at head wise, as her career
Speaker 1: is kind of risen beyond us. But I also I
Speaker 1: know you you spent a lot of time obviously in Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: not too much time in l A. Um, have you
Speaker 1: been to J. J. Watts's log cabin yet? I you
Speaker 1: know that feels like the number one location that every
Speaker 1: male needs to get to before he dies. Actually, how
Speaker 1: I was able to lose my weight and get my
Speaker 1: current physique. I spent a lot of time at J J. Watts.
Speaker 1: Happened in The great news is It's only a few
Speaker 1: minute drive from Chicago. So when I'm out of town,
Speaker 1: i can just fly right into Chicago, drive the five
Speaker 1: or six minutes out of downtown, and there's the log
Speaker 1: cabin on thirty five and acres in the middle of
Speaker 1: the city, and I'm able to get a great workout
Speaker 1: in no matter where I am in the city. I
Speaker 1: heard I heard any bulldozed an orphanage to build it,
Speaker 1: So it wasn't technically an orphanage. It was more of
Speaker 1: like a group home. But you know, you know affected,
Speaker 1: But no Colleen, she you know Colleen. We love her.
Speaker 1: She's one of our closest uh friends here at NFL
Speaker 1: Media and before she became the big TV star, she
Speaker 1: used to be on the podcast a lot. She still is.
Speaker 1: But do you reluctantly do you feel that that that
Speaker 1: that star power. Have you felt that around you and
Speaker 1: whether that's changed her as a personality. Yeah, I'll fire
Speaker 1: off with a serious note for one second. Colleen Wolf
Speaker 1: has been an absolute joy to work with. Last year,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing whatsoever. I still
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm doing in media, but I know
Speaker 1: a little bit more. And I jumped on Thursday Night
Speaker 1: Football and she was the host, and I was like
Speaker 1: star struck right off the bat. But she was so
Speaker 1: warm and welcoming and inviting and so helpful that uh
Speaker 1: it really it meant a lot to me. And so
Speaker 1: she's the true star of Thursday Night Football and I
Speaker 1: just feel blessed to be able to work with her. However,
Speaker 1: we can still tease her a little bit because after
Speaker 1: the show last week, me, Andrew Siciliano, Steve Smith, Colleen
Speaker 1: and then one of Andrew's friends tried to go to
Speaker 1: the local bar right right down the street from the
Speaker 1: hotel after the game to grab a beer and have
Speaker 1: some corn hole, share some stories, break some bread, and
Speaker 1: we got turned away by the bouncer at the door.
Speaker 1: We did not have enough star power to be able
Speaker 1: to get it to a half empty bar in Denver
Speaker 1: on a Thursday night. You got hit the big tim
Speaker 1: I know, me and Steve Smith were easy to turn away,
Speaker 1: but Andrew, Siciliana and Colleen, well, if they got to
Speaker 1: be able to get into the best night clubs in
Speaker 1: Manhattan didn't happen. Then, Wow, Steve Smith was turned away
Speaker 1: by a bouncer, had that go. It was actually cool
Speaker 1: about It was like, all right, we don't have to
Speaker 1: come here, We're gonna go somewhere else. Good for him.
Speaker 1: Bad bouncer work, though, colleens a triple threat. You know,
Speaker 1: a host of podcaster Joe. What do you think about
Speaker 1: the fact that Andrew is now breaking into the host
Speaker 1: moll that we do a show together game debut. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of crossover here between our podcast that and yours,
Speaker 1: and now he's going like Frank Gifford. You don't see
Speaker 1: a lot of former players that are also the hosts
Speaker 1: of the show, you know, kind of outshining knew Joe.
Speaker 1: What do you think it is tough to work with Andrew?
Speaker 1: He has clearly left me at the laundromat in my
Speaker 1: media career because he is on a trajectory to the
Speaker 1: moon and back. He's the next pet sam Roll. I
Speaker 1: told him he's gonna be doing like somebody that's actually
Speaker 1: talented some someday and I'll just be telling my kids,
Speaker 1: my grandkids that I knew him at one point. There's
Speaker 1: almost just used Joe to catapult my media career lawlessly.
Speaker 1: He picked the wrong guy. He should have picked Lebron,
Speaker 1: the guy that's got the office right next to him.
Speaker 1: He could have used him, and he would have already
Speaker 1: be way above the Tomahawks Show. I feel like there's
Speaker 1: too much crossover going on right now. It's like in
Speaker 1: Ghostbuster they say, don't cross the streams. That could send
Speaker 1: us into another dimension. If we do one more crossover,
Speaker 1: like a West Joe Thomas offensive line breakdown, that that
Speaker 1: feels like that could be the final piece that we
Speaker 1: all just disappear into nothing. I usually Andrew calls me
Speaker 1: about thirty at night when he's really tired but he
Speaker 1: can't sleep, and he says, hey, give me that extra
Speaker 1: breakdown of the old line play from that game this morning.
Speaker 1: He doesn't really having a hard time sleeping, So we
Speaker 1: always avoid old line talk like the plague on this show.
Speaker 1: A right, the Tomahawks Show, and this is a home
Speaker 1: and home facilitated by TV. One of the great pickup
Speaker 1: basketball players in the history of Los Angeles. Never scored
Speaker 1: over here, never that his name here, never scored a
Speaker 1: TV ever scored up Actually, I thought that was his
Speaker 1: name when I first met him, called him never scored
Speaker 1: him and I was like, how do you spell that? Never?
Speaker 1: Or is it any v are CD still catching it? Um?
Speaker 1: On Sunday, Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler will be guests
Speaker 1: on the Tomahawks Show. So I don't know where that
Speaker 1: leaves West and I but whatever, I'll bury that and
Speaker 1: it will come out to a psychiatrist at something actually requested.
Speaker 1: We requested all four and they were like, well, you
Speaker 1: don't need these two. They're not that show. We were like, okay,
Speaker 1: I guess Erica, that ain't right. Um, but yeah, check
Speaker 1: out the tom Show all the time, but especially if
Speaker 1: you're if you want to try it for the first time,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have two of the heroes on their week
Speaker 1: eight recap program. And gentlemen like we said this, this
Speaker 1: does feel right because you guys talk football, you talk ball.
Speaker 1: You're mixing some pop culture and just a touch of
Speaker 1: the mirth and and that's why we're all brothers and
Speaker 1: uh and and we fly together. We're doing a live
Speaker 1: show before we go. You guys just did a live
Speaker 1: show in London that was an absolute smashing success. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're doing in a live show Hall of Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame weekend. It's not really Hall of Fame weekend, but
Speaker 1: it is a awsome blues in Cleveland. The game is
Speaker 1: Thursday Night football versus the Pittsburgh Steelers Wednesday Night Tomahawks Show.
Speaker 1: Can you give us any tips before our first live show? West?
Speaker 1: Drugs helped? Drugs help? Definitely? Yeah. I always. I always
Speaker 1: just telling myself, I'm walking into my favorite bar and
Speaker 1: everyone there loves me. Because the crowd is stacked in
Speaker 1: your favorite They're gonna love you. They're gonna love all
Speaker 1: your jokes right away. It's a canny bail situation. Yeah, show,
Speaker 1: Thomas Andrew Hawkins are gonna play well to a Cleveland
Speaker 1: centric crowd. You got that right out of the gate.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was modern part. I would say, yeah,
Speaker 1: shot a towar it all for each just just to
Speaker 1: keep it all. It's goood with funny because this will
Speaker 1: be the first Cleveland crowd that we've done together. It
Speaker 1: actually does love us because on Sundays that was not
Speaker 1: the case situation. Alright, man, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining us, and again, check out the Tomahawk Show every week.
Speaker 1: It's a banger every time out. Thank you. Guys. Thanks guys,
Speaker 1: you guys, thank you all right, that was great. Enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Like those guys, I think we could be friends with him.
Speaker 1: I think we could have beers with them. I think
Speaker 1: we should get a condo together, mate. And we don't
Speaker 1: all live in the condo at the same time, but
Speaker 1: we have like a set schedule where we always, um,
Speaker 1: you know, oh, this week it's Andrew and West. Next
Speaker 1: week it's Joe and Mark. Oh, look it's it's a
Speaker 1: Dan and Joe week. Greg Oh. Greg. Greg says he
Speaker 1: wants the condo to himself. No, that's that's that's fine.
Speaker 1: But then we'll have parties and we'll all be at
Speaker 1: the condo together. I don't I find myself. I find
Speaker 1: myself in a little bit of a little Debbie scenario
Speaker 1: where the three of you, I think, are having a
Speaker 1: very productive conversation with Hawk and Joe Thomas, and I'm
Speaker 1: still sitting there with the Browns fan of me being like,
Speaker 1: what am I doing talking to Joe Thomas because he
Speaker 1: is as totally love bull a bowl professional, and every
Speaker 1: time we've went with them, it's like, this guy's how
Speaker 1: I feel. That's how I feel with Hawk. I was
Speaker 1: such a big fan of the reality show Fourth and
Speaker 1: Long hosted by Michael You mentioned where Hawk made his name.
Speaker 1: I think that every time people should check out game debut,
Speaker 1: by the way, every Saturday on NFL Network, me Hawk
Speaker 1: and Cynthia Freeland making picks twice twice on Saturday. It's
Speaker 1: a good plug and that in the Fourth and Long show.
Speaker 1: No one has been a bigger fan of the Fourth
Speaker 1: and Long program. I'm telling you, well, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: No one remembers it. I know one remembers it except Greg. No,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. No one watched it at the time.
Speaker 1: No one else watched it except I'm not bragging, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's sort of like it was like
Speaker 1: on a terrible network. It was what net work was
Speaker 1: it on that doesn't exist or something? Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: Spies first, it was Spike. It was. It was a
Speaker 1: delightful show. Can we start every every episode? Now? Rest fine,
Speaker 1: I've moved on. I do like the small you know,
Speaker 1: it's also nice to have an NFL player that we
Speaker 1: work with that's my size, at least certainly not in
Speaker 1: terms of like you know, fit Mass got breaking news
Speaker 1: only six times faster than you nes Chris West. I
Speaker 1: love when West of It delivers it. You know it's
Speaker 1: gonna be good. Well, it's major injury news for the
Speaker 1: Detroit Lines. Bad bad news. Uh. Carrie On Johnson had
Speaker 1: to go on I R with a knee injury that
Speaker 1: he suffered in week seven. That's not good. He injured it, Yes,
Speaker 1: he injured it. Uh this past Sunday and he showed
Speaker 1: him on the sidelines of the pants up with the
Speaker 1: brace on, trying to walk it off. Had a heavy limp,
Speaker 1: and you had a bad feeling about it. But I
Speaker 1: R is a surprise. They've got fellow, They've got rookie
Speaker 1: Ty Johnson j D. McKissick, who's more of a gadget player.
Speaker 1: And I believe they claimed Paul Perkins off waivers from
Speaker 1: the Giants. But very suspect depth there at that C. J. Anderson,
Speaker 1: I can't even get a sniff out. Everyone says, you know,
Speaker 1: running backs are important until you lose carry On Johnson
Speaker 1: And now they're running game is not going to be
Speaker 1: relins trouble. You know in the movie where like there's
Speaker 1: the midway point where it's like a cast of adventurers
Speaker 1: have to say say goodbye to someone that's sort of
Speaker 1: sacrificing themselves in a heated moment against some sort of
Speaker 1: mythical beast. I like, we're quietly, uh, moving away from
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions who've been left underneath the big boulder
Speaker 1: and are not going to be advancing with us on
Speaker 1: to the next stage. Schu The next couple of weeks, tried,
Speaker 1: we tried, well, we brought them along on the journey.
Speaker 1: You know what, the schedule softens up, get a couple
Speaker 1: of dubs in here. We're not out, We're just we're
Speaker 1: we're attuned to the reality situation that they've lost three
Speaker 1: in a row and now one of their most important
Speaker 1: players on offense. Right, We're not We're not um, you know,
Speaker 1: pointing fun at them or giggling at the whole situation.
Speaker 1: We don't. We don't approve of it, but it's the reality.
Speaker 1: I'll always look fondly on that late September early October time,
Speaker 1: and the Lions were salad days alright. Mark wrote a bunk,
Speaker 1: absolute banger. I mean, I'll read the headline and you
Speaker 1: tell me if you think it's a banger. Assistant Coach
Speaker 1: of the Year question Mark Robert Sala tops competitive field.
Speaker 1: Now I got a little business like in the back
Speaker 1: end of the headline. I'd like to keep it saucy
Speaker 1: all the way through. How about how about Colon, you know,
Speaker 1: assistant Coach of the Year Robert Why the question? I
Speaker 1: think the question is asking, like, did someone actually pen
Speaker 1: an article about assistant Coach of the year. They're still
Speaker 1: processing that as content providers. I think so is this
Speaker 1: is this essentially in the slot reserve for What's grinding
Speaker 1: My gears? With Mark Sessler? It is? And like, this
Speaker 1: is something that I do care about. I do care
Speaker 1: about this topic. That was that his week column? Is
Speaker 1: that what's grinding my gear to? That was the old westling? Uh?
Speaker 1: That wasn't old grind gear? Like, when Dan is going
Speaker 1: to present anything that I do here, I just have to,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of shoulder the concept that he's not
Speaker 1: read it, does not care about it, and only cares
Speaker 1: about it. Well, that's true. I I am not reading
Speaker 1: anything about the NFL today. And I told you it's
Speaker 1: a run up, which is the same thing that happened
Speaker 1: when I wrote My Brown's long form. It happened after
Speaker 1: it came out the day after a Jets loss. And
Speaker 1: you refuse to read that and still have not. So
Speaker 1: I enjoyed that piece. Question will at some point run
Speaker 1: out of excuses. I read that piece and enjoyed it. All. Right,
Speaker 1: here we go, let's all right, here we go. Let's
Speaker 1: get to it. Robert sala I don't want to. I
Speaker 1: want to save it because he's at the headline. You
Speaker 1: can figure it out. But let's start in the back end. Um,
Speaker 1: you got some honorable mentions. Eric Washington's getting votes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if we need to dig into
Speaker 1: that crew. But north Turner is getting some poppy even
Speaker 1: but you got I got some questions. Okay, why don't
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn it over to Chris Wesley. Why don't
Speaker 1: you like offense? Alright? Groman has like turned the Ravens
Speaker 1: offense into that thing for the first time. If More
Speaker 1: has the number one d v oh A in the
Speaker 1: nf O, I would argue that you want Here's what
Speaker 1: I would argue, back it up. This is all these
Speaker 1: awards are optics and perception based. And but you're the
Speaker 1: one writing the argument. You're doing you can make your
Speaker 1: own No, no, I'm are I'm arguing who who is
Speaker 1: going to win it? I think is it a real award?
Speaker 1: I'm not even I'm not joking here. Yes, Actually, we've
Speaker 1: been discussing it for half a decade. I thought it
Speaker 1: was kind of like your award. Now. They started, they
Speaker 1: started five and there was the way dismissed. There was
Speaker 1: the one year where Scarneckia got some serious votes, but
Speaker 1: he did not win it. And four of the five
Speaker 1: winners have gone on to become head coaches. I really right,
Speaker 1: And he's the one who is the reigning assistant coach
Speaker 1: of the Year. It is Vic Fangio. Okay. West West
Speaker 1: says that because on Mark's list, the top four options
Speaker 1: right now, the leaders in the clubhouse um and five
Speaker 1: of seven are all defensive minded. I think for me
Speaker 1: it's because of the which it's a shorter sample size.
Speaker 1: The Niners defense, the Bill's defense, the Saints defense has
Speaker 1: been more consistent, I believe than the Cowboys offense. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys offense ten weeks from now, Kellen Moore is the
Speaker 1: perfect guy to win this award, and after three weeks
Speaker 1: I mentioned would have wanted going away. I think that
Speaker 1: he's got competition, But I I hear your point on
Speaker 1: Greg Roman. For me, with Greg Roman, I would want
Speaker 1: to just see where they are a couple months from now,
Speaker 1: but he's done it so far. I agree, and that's
Speaker 1: why he's on the list. He's on the list. He
Speaker 1: would be in my top two. Petton has been good,
Speaker 1: but he's you know, their defense been a little up
Speaker 1: about the fact that the Ravens have a top five
Speaker 1: five offense running it in a different way than basically
Speaker 1: any offense. And and maybe Roman doesn't get credit for
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson just scrambling because that's the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: It hasn't all been called runs. It's credit for for
Speaker 1: doing something that no one else is doing. And there
Speaker 1: really no one else has ever done about that fourth
Speaker 1: and two call that swung that game a brilliant call.
Speaker 1: Leslie Fraser is an interesting one because I think he
Speaker 1: gets forgotten because his head coach feels like the yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mentioned that that that's it's tough to win those
Speaker 1: awards when people are wondering whether it's McDermott or Fraser,
Speaker 1: because it is McDermott. I think, ultimately right, it is
Speaker 1: his defense and and Fraser and him make a great pairing.
Speaker 1: You got Dennis Allen, who's done wonders with the Saints. Um,
Speaker 1: this would be a sweep, I think for the Saints
Speaker 1: because it feels to me and less Frank Wright goes
Speaker 1: and gets it. The Coach of the which is basic.
Speaker 1: If you tracking Coach of the year, screw you. It's
Speaker 1: about assistant coach. And you think that Peyton's gonna win
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year. Probably now is Dennis Is he
Speaker 1: gonna swoop in where we are now Dennis Alan swoops
Speaker 1: and grabs assistant Coach of the Year. That tells you
Speaker 1: a lot about why the Saints are so successful. Great staff.
Speaker 1: I'd be stunned if the Academy went with coach and
Speaker 1: Assistant Coach of the Year a coy a k a
Speaker 1: a coy Assistant Coach of the Year, if they if
Speaker 1: they gave that to the same team, because I am
Speaker 1: cynical enough just to not to believe in how a
Speaker 1: lot of these awards work, that that's not what they do.
Speaker 1: They're going to find a way to give a little
Speaker 1: piece of the pies to some different storylines. Well, you
Speaker 1: got Allan at number two right now, and you do
Speaker 1: have Robert Salat would need to be kidnapped by you know,
Speaker 1: an angry band of Taiwanese. Uh, you know, terrorists to
Speaker 1: to not win this thing at this point. I mean
Speaker 1: he could take them out. That sounds like John Wick.
Speaker 1: You know, it sounds like an action movie. Would be
Speaker 1: a good action movie. I mean I kind of the way.
Speaker 1: I like the way the second one you saw. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's how it is done to the taiwan Well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. That's that's a question to Mark, as
Speaker 1: you often say, and you said it earlier, this could
Speaker 1: be narrative based, although you would think Assistant Coach of
Speaker 1: the Year is underground enough where it would be maybe
Speaker 1: more pure than the m v P, which is a
Speaker 1: bit of a soap opera. You you you love getting
Speaker 1: to the narrative. But what are the terrible award picks
Speaker 1: that have been narrative based over the last few year.
Speaker 1: Come Back Player of the Year. I am okay, I
Speaker 1: think what they do a lot of times though m
Speaker 1: VP an Offensive Player of the Year to me feels
Speaker 1: like Best Picture, Best Director, where they find a way
Speaker 1: to give a little bit of everyone. Offensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Year is a joke. Why I have that award?
Speaker 1: That's the that's to Mark's point, I still understand what
Speaker 1: it means or how it's figured out. What we're talking
Speaker 1: about that a man of of of character. I don't
Speaker 1: even vote for Offensive Player of the Year when they
Speaker 1: do that little NFL dot com writer things, I refuse
Speaker 1: you sleep. And I used to say that. I used
Speaker 1: to make a little point about how the awards stupid,
Speaker 1: and they published that once, but then they just stopped
Speaker 1: to stop. So salah um to the point of the
Speaker 1: narrative base that was when we were in London. Um,
Speaker 1: who were they facing that week? It was the Ramsay.
Speaker 1: You kind of need that big national moment to get
Speaker 1: on everyone's radar, and I think that has helped him
Speaker 1: a lot. And the fact that the Niners are I
Speaker 1: think that's a lot of it because the voters are
Speaker 1: not watching every one of these games. And let's be honest,
Speaker 1: like coordinator level coaching, we hear from these guys for
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes a week, and the idea that we know
Speaker 1: what a coordinator is doing from team A to team
Speaker 1: B two team C is is ridiculous. It's an ultra mystery.
Speaker 1: So it's all uh, image based, it's all ego. It's
Speaker 1: just like everything we do all the week long. Yes,
Speaker 1: you could extend that to every bit of NFL an
Speaker 1: right back to back primetime games for them in Week
Speaker 1: nine and ten. I can already see it. We're in
Speaker 1: uh Fort Lauderdale in February. Forty Niners are there and
Speaker 1: everyone's crowding around Salah in the crowd at media day
Speaker 1: because he's already Everyone knows who's already accepted that the
Speaker 1: Falcons job or some other job. You can't exactly talk
Speaker 1: about it yet because they can't announce it, but he's
Speaker 1: a big Stan. A year ago, his defense recorded an
Speaker 1: NFL low historical low seven takeaways. So you know, hopefully
Speaker 1: we all can come back the X and theo's. It's
Speaker 1: it's not the exes and the os, it's the Jimmy's
Speaker 1: and the joe like that. And you want to talk
Speaker 1: about a clean sweep of the awards, I was gonna
Speaker 1: say solo maybe best bod of assistant coaches. Remember a
Speaker 1: guy named Dan Campbell, once upon a time the interim
Speaker 1: head coach of the Dolphins. Well he's now the tight
Speaker 1: ends coach of the New Orleans Saints. They can sweep
Speaker 1: the entire awards, including Hottest Body. I wouldn't say they're
Speaker 1: tight ends are killing it. No hottest body, Well what
Speaker 1: about I didn't notice you didn't mention, uh, Steve Belichick
Speaker 1: or anyone from this you know, historic Patriots defense? Explained
Speaker 1: to me what I don't know who says it has
Speaker 1: to be a coordinator. They've got like three they've only
Speaker 1: had three coaches. Two of them are named Belichick, one
Speaker 1: of them in charge of the secondary. They're the ones
Speaker 1: with the eighteen interceptions? Oh do you? Was he? What
Speaker 1: was really funny? You go down memory lane this summer
Speaker 1: when Greg was trying to figure out things to be
Speaker 1: nervous about the Patriots, and he kept on going on
Speaker 1: to their homepage and be like, look, they don't have
Speaker 1: any assistant coaches under on tracked because there was only
Speaker 1: four or five head shots still that when you were
Speaker 1: talking about that, one of them is Brett Bielima. Remember
Speaker 1: when you thought that was something to be concerned about.
Speaker 1: It was partly a bit that was Patriots dot com.
Speaker 1: There's only one picture that panned out to be an
Speaker 1: extreme crisis for the I now do support a future
Speaker 1: where it's just Steve and Bill Belichick, McDaniels and Scarnecki,
Speaker 1: a four man coaching staff cut out the fact. Let's
Speaker 1: keep Mayo because he's a he's a patriot, you know,
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Alright, one more quick game of when
Speaker 1: West's Toaster before we get to Thursday Night Football, Chris
Speaker 1: Dan Willie Brown, Rest in Peace is iconic? Pick six return?
Speaker 1: You're really putting a lot of sticks? Slow motion shot, Yeah,
Speaker 1: running towards the end zone for the clinching score. Who
Speaker 1: was the NFL film cinematographer, a photographer behind that show?
Speaker 1: You should know this. I would say Steve Stable. On
Speaker 1: a broader scale, yes, but no, the exact I've mentioned
Speaker 1: his name twice at today's show. Oh, Ernie Earnest, that's correct,
Speaker 1: the toaster back, big ern I can't if you remember that? Alright?
Speaker 1: How many? How many guys are named Ernie Earnst? All right,
Speaker 1: let's get to it. The Washington Redskins at the Minnesota
Speaker 1: Vikings slaughter Um on Thursday Night Football. The Skins one
Speaker 1: of the only winless teams left in the league. In fact,
Speaker 1: no do they win. It counts if he beat they
Speaker 1: they beat the Dolphin. My people's minds, really, but my mind.
Speaker 1: Apologies to the Redskins. They do have one win, but
Speaker 1: they got shut out um at home on Sunday. But
Speaker 1: you know they're playing a pig slop against the Niners,
Speaker 1: so we won't go too crazy about that. But they
Speaker 1: are a bad football team and they head to Minnesota
Speaker 1: place where um U s Bank Stadium, where the Vikings
Speaker 1: are gonna lose against the good a good team, so
Speaker 1: against a bad team. So West, when we checked the
Speaker 1: boxes when Will kirk Cousins struggles, well we almost hit
Speaker 1: it here because you got primetime game. Um, you've got
Speaker 1: a lot of people watching. But what you don't have
Speaker 1: as an opponent that's gonna give him trouble that he
Speaker 1: should keep rolling here? Right, Yeah, this checks all of
Speaker 1: the boxes. And I can't even envision a scenario where
Speaker 1: the Redskins win this game. I know Dick Greg likes
Speaker 1: to say that any team can beat any other team,
Speaker 1: but the Vikings are set earlier on the show. But
Speaker 1: the Vikings are so much better than the Redskins, and
Speaker 1: they are so much better at home than they are
Speaker 1: on the road. I love the way their defense is
Speaker 1: playing Eric Kendricks in particular, but their offense, Dan you
Speaker 1: said before the season, top five offense, their top five
Speaker 1: and d v O a bang. Well. Two things stand
Speaker 1: out to me in this game. Number One, everyone should
Speaker 1: listen to what Mark said. Uh, that game is a
Speaker 1: delight to watch on game Pass. They were loving on
Speaker 1: this up. It's fun. You know, it's a little weird.
Speaker 1: The Redskins didn't allow Case get him to throw until
Speaker 1: they were down nine. Nothing with him. He couldn't, but
Speaker 1: I guess he couldn't. But the beggar story is Cousins
Speaker 1: throwing dimes. He's had some throws in the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks that were amazing. I mean that first touchdown
Speaker 1: that got Theeland hurt was an amazing throw, moving to
Speaker 1: his left, throwing to his right. The throw that basically
Speaker 1: ended the game against the Eagles where he's getting pushed
Speaker 1: out of bounds was an incredible throw. Cousins is feeling it, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's revenge game. They have a plan
Speaker 1: on offense. Now. I love that they were able to
Speaker 1: look at look in the mirror and change the way
Speaker 1: that they're attacking teams with their offense, and it's it's
Speaker 1: covered a lot of sins. There was a lot of
Speaker 1: grumbling in there. The Redskins, to me, like that Niners
Speaker 1: game or really any game on offense, they seem scared
Speaker 1: of their own personnel. They seem ultra conservative because they
Speaker 1: lack a plan. And there's no way that you can
Speaker 1: really imagine the Redskins attacking a team unless that other
Speaker 1: team his injury riddled to the core. And I this
Speaker 1: this Dan, we have to cover this as a what
Speaker 1: will amount to a separate breakout pod on Thursday night.
Speaker 1: We're going to be digging deep. Like you got Peterson
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, who's running pretty well. West's boy ultimately still
Speaker 1: juicy little yeah, right, he's got a high. He says
Speaker 1: he's now feeling that he can play. He wants cousins
Speaker 1: against Walter Payton touched him for him, Yes you want
Speaker 1: that's about case Keenum against the Vikings. Oh this game.
Speaker 1: He swatted that down. He said he's played for so
Speaker 1: many teams at this point. Then every week he brought
Speaker 1: the Vikings two years ago too. He could say that, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got hurted, but it's fine, but I don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's if that's that's the benchmark for revenge and revenge.
Speaker 1: But that was hopefully, you know, he has other great moments,
Speaker 1: but him getting to the NFC championship, but that that
Speaker 1: was a pretty great case. And then they ship him
Speaker 1: off and they take the high you know, the young
Speaker 1: want to be treated. We'll get two quarters of Dwayne
Speaker 1: Haskins in this game. I think this is an unpopular
Speaker 1: hot take, but it does. Nobody wants to say it,
Speaker 1: but this is checking all the boxes that the Redskins
Speaker 1: already know they have a bust in Dwayne Haskins. The
Speaker 1: fact that he's not playing right now, this doesn't happen anymore.
Speaker 1: There's no such thing as putting your quarterback in mothballs.
Speaker 1: When you pick him in the first round and there's
Speaker 1: no one else in front of him, that's that can
Speaker 1: play a damn I mean you could. That's that's assuming
Speaker 1: that they're that your first year of your career is
Speaker 1: instructive for the rest, which I'm not. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: he's I'm yes. I just think it's a very bad
Speaker 1: sign that they're not having him play and they're able
Speaker 1: they could stand behind well, we don't want to rush him.
Speaker 1: He's not ready. But the fact that that doesn't happen
Speaker 1: anymore makes me think that there are some real concerns
Speaker 1: behind it right now. There are because every single broadcraft
Speaker 1: cast crew that goes in there, including I can't remember
Speaker 1: who announced the Redskins game last week, but including them,
Speaker 1: they all talk with in form ration based on what
Speaker 1: Haskins isn't ready to do or basically that the coaching
Speaker 1: staff doesn't want to But the one thing is they
Speaker 1: are zooming towards number one overall pick potential if the
Speaker 1: Dolphins ever won two games this season, So you can't
Speaker 1: be in the position to draft one of the big
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that everyone is organically tanking for. And well, I'm
Speaker 1: saying the Redskins their quarterback guy. I mean, that's their
Speaker 1: owners guy. Yeah. All I'm saying is if Haskins is
Speaker 1: not is not ready to play, and he's there's issues
Speaker 1: with him, then why do you not move on after
Speaker 1: one year? Look what happened at the Cardinals. They wound
Speaker 1: up doing the right crazy. I guess it'd be crazy
Speaker 1: to me without having to actually play. And that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying the owners. The owners, I know, but if
Speaker 1: you if you know it's at the time, it's not
Speaker 1: that crazy. In it would have been crazy four years ago.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that crazy. If you're like millions
Speaker 1: and millions of dollars are riding and having the right quarterback.
Speaker 1: And I know he got it. He had a cup
Speaker 1: of coffee this season and then got sent back to
Speaker 1: the bench. But who is the last for astur round
Speaker 1: pick quarterback to stay on the bench for a whole season?
Speaker 1: Essentially is At Mahomes. He played the final week of
Speaker 1: the year. But Alex Smith was a Pro Bowl quarterback
Speaker 1: at that stage that year. He was in front of him.
Speaker 1: All I'd say is if they knew, let's say, if
Speaker 1: you if you were gonna get Patrick Mahomes three weeks
Speaker 1: into that season was out Alex Smith, have ever really
Speaker 1: kept him on the bench. They just took a measured
Speaker 1: approach with with Patrick Mahomes. We talked about this after
Speaker 1: the Bears game when Khalil Mack killed that offensive line,
Speaker 1: but they were that offensive line was injured, and I
Speaker 1: understood why they weren't going to put him behind that line.
Speaker 1: But this line's played a little bit better lately. They're
Speaker 1: running out of excuses not to play it all. Right,
Speaker 1: there you go. That is our Tuesday Show. Thank you
Speaker 1: again to Joe Thomas and Andrew Hawkins for their um
Speaker 1: contribution to the program. Yes Great Guys and Mark and What.
Speaker 1: Mark and Greg will be on the Tomahawks Show on Sunday,
Speaker 1: so check that out. Will be back on Thursday with
Speaker 1: our week eight preview show, and yes, Mark and I
Speaker 1: will also will be on Thursday night with our recap
Speaker 1: of Thursday Night football. So it's two shows coming up Thursday.
Speaker 1: Check them both out. That'll be a thick seven minutes.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping it's It could enter that Eddie Spaghetti Virgo
Speaker 1: range where you just you love ball so much you
Speaker 1: can't quit. I just gotta talk Case, Keenum and Peterson
Speaker 1: go into Minnesota and make it a classic. They get
Speaker 1: within thirty five points, all right, Stan handsOn signing off,
Speaker 1: punching that clock, going home for the Quiet Storm, The
Speaker 1: mail Man, the Old Boss, Bricky Hollywood Behind the Glass
Speaker 1: Steal Thursday,