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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast, The Danny Tartibol of podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast,

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Speaker 1: presented by the United States Reincore. My name is Dan Hanzas,

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Speaker 1: and I'm joined in a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthalt. What is up, boys? Hey? Dan?

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Speaker 1: That that is one of the most random and delightful

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Speaker 1: intros we've had. Danny Tartible. You know, for most of

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Speaker 1: our listeners who might not be familiar, uh A powerful,

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Speaker 1: you know, somewhat memorable, you know, well known and popular,

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Speaker 1: I would say, but not like one of the great

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Speaker 1: uh sluggers in baseball from the eighties and nineties. I

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Speaker 1: find it on because I'm on a text thread with

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Speaker 1: a bunch of guy friends and Danny Tartible has been

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Speaker 1: a source of jokes at least once or twice a

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Speaker 1: week for twenty plus years. Good good numbers, but not

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Speaker 1: ultimately a winner. That that describes us pretty well, Actually

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Speaker 1: like a Yankee. It was a Yankee. In fact, we

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Speaker 1: the salary structure to don't hold anymore in the league,

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Speaker 1: but about seven or eight years ago, uh, Mark, in

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Speaker 1: our early days here at this company. Uh, five years

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Speaker 1: twenty five million became kind of like a joke. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was a cursed contract. If you signed a five

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Speaker 1: for twenty five you would fail. Well, Danny Tard will

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Speaker 1: sign a five for twenty five with the Yankees and

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Speaker 1: ninety two and failed. Neil o'donald. Neil o'donald and signed

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Speaker 1: five for twenty five for the Jets in ninety six

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Speaker 1: that also failed. Um, anyway, and if I had what

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Speaker 1: five RBI seasons in his career and a cameo on Seinfeld. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the five of us, including Ricky are going to sign

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Speaker 1: a five year, twenty five million at the NFL that

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Speaker 1: will not fill as long as the money hits the

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Speaker 1: checking account. I'm ready for that. Um alright, big show today. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, this is purely and I'm just

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Speaker 1: being upfront with my colleagues and the listeners. This is

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Speaker 1: a run out the clock situation today for the old

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Speaker 1: zeuser after Monday night football. Don't really want to be here,

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Speaker 1: but I mean we'll we sensed that total pro I'm here,

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Speaker 1: uh out the clock situation after about a quarter it

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Speaker 1: sure was. Um, so I'm not happy. I mean I

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Speaker 1: sent my son to school yesterday morning in Sam Donald Jersey.

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Speaker 1: It was it was my father, Keith's birthday. UM. I

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Speaker 1: was looking forward to that game, as were many Jets fans.

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Speaker 1: So we'll get into all that. This is a run

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Speaker 1: out the clock situation, all right. Coming up on today's show,

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Speaker 1: Joe Thomas and Andrew Hawkins UH, former teammates on the

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Speaker 1: Browns Good Buddies and now co host of the Tomahawk

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Speaker 1: UH podcast The Tomahawks Show I should call it, which

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Speaker 1: is on the Uninterrupted network, but you can get it

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. They will join us in

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Speaker 1: a little home and home. Greg and Mark will do

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Speaker 1: their show on Sunday and Joe and Andrew will be

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Speaker 1: on with us later on. That will be a fun convo. Also,

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Speaker 1: Mark wrote a banger on his assistant Coach of the

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Speaker 1: Year rankings. Will check in with that and see who's

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Speaker 1: in the lead. I got a good feeling about might

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Speaker 1: be wrong. We'll preview Thursday night football UM between the

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Speaker 1: Redskins and Vikings. Will keep that one pretty quick. Two

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Speaker 1: minutes drill, two minute drill on that one. We got

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Speaker 1: some news to hit and including three trades. But before that, yes,

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Speaker 1: it's a run out the clock Tuesday, So let's talk

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Speaker 1: about Monday night football. It takes the sound the Jets

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Speaker 1: call places up here Bob soci and another guy for

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Speaker 1: the Patriots radio network. From the first drive of the game,

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Speaker 1: a lot of his thinking and dunking, and it worked

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Speaker 1: New England Patriots. Patriots which continues to play at a

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Speaker 1: historic level. The Jets, obviously, as you can tell from

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Speaker 1: these zero blitzes at Sam Donald, where if you've got

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Speaker 1: And watching the Jets, Joe Douglas is a promising general manager.

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Speaker 1: this game. It makes Darnald look weak um to a

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Speaker 1: It bothers me that we need Donald to be a

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Speaker 1: and the Cowboys. Those are their next games. So after

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Speaker 1: the Browns game this week, which I also you know,

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Speaker 1: think has its dangers to it, we'll talk about that.

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Speaker 1: Like I just think it. The Jaguars and the Cults

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Speaker 1: can shut down the Texans, who are hot and cold,

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Speaker 1: and when they're hot, they're hot. Yes, the Patriots can too.

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Speaker 1: These challenging games that are coming up on the slate,

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Speaker 1: there's no bigger challenge than trying to outdue Bill Belichick

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Speaker 1: over the course of the three day preparation period. Another

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Speaker 1: wide receiver trade to hit here. The Broncos are trading

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Speaker 1: wide receiver Emmanuel Sanders to the San Francisco forty Niners. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The Niners are sending a third and a fourth round

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Speaker 1: pick in the upcoming draft to Denver, who are also

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Speaker 1: including a round pick with Sanders in the deal. Sanders,

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Speaker 1: thirty two years old, came back from an achilles injury

443
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Speaker 1: suffered just last December, but had a really nice year

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Speaker 1: last year before going down and despite uh playing with

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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco, which presents all sorts of challenges for a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. He's been productive this season as well, not

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Speaker 1: all pro productive, but still seems to have it. Uh

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Speaker 1: So this seems to me Chris Westling like a nice

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Speaker 1: pickup for the Niners. Yeah, still moving really well in

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Speaker 1: and out of his breaks, being a little outproduced by

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Speaker 1: Courton or a lot outproduced by Courtland Sutton. But he's

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Speaker 1: also drawing more coverage than Courton Courtland Sutton, which may

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Speaker 1: explain some of those numbers. Nikki A Walla of The

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Speaker 1: Athletic had an interview with Kyle Shanahan in December of

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Speaker 1: last year, and he called Sanders one of the most

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Speaker 1: underrated receivers in the league, a true number one since

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Speaker 1: he's been in Denver, extremely quick, knows how to separate,

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Speaker 1: can beat man coverage, and is fearless. He's been a

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Speaker 1: big Emmanuel Sanders fan for a long time. They've they've

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Speaker 1: been playing four to five wide receivers all about the

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Speaker 1: same amount of snaps. Donte Pettis, Diva, Samuel Kendrick, Borne, Goodwin.

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Speaker 1: Now they've got on that they that they know they

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Speaker 1: can count on each week and it didn't cost much

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Speaker 1: at all. I saw some people like, oh, well, no,

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Speaker 1: wonder the Eagles didn't trade for him. That was a

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Speaker 1: heavy price. He would have gotten a compensatory third round

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Speaker 1: pick back for them. Anyways, he might get that for

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Speaker 1: the forty Niners. They just traded what a fourth or

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Speaker 1: a third in a move down from the fourth and

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Speaker 1: a fifth, and you might get the compensatory pick back.

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Speaker 1: They almost got him for nothing. I do wonder if

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Speaker 1: this completely shuts the door on the Bengals moving AJ Green,

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Speaker 1: because there were there were people linking the Niners with

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Speaker 1: A J. Green, and you do you have to imagine

475
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Speaker 1: because that front office in San Francisco goes for it.

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Speaker 1: They really wanted Odell Beckham in the off season, did

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Speaker 1: they try and or the nine or the Bengals just

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Speaker 1: saying we're not giving this guy away, even though we

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Speaker 1: made probably no way on this past That trade will

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Speaker 1: never happen. The Bengals will never do anything fun for

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Speaker 1: the league. I believe CBS is J. J. Green, who

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Speaker 1: is not going to be trade right. Locking for a

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Speaker 1: saying it's not going to resign with him has not happening.

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Speaker 1: That not going to trade him one years old, many

485
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Speaker 1: many foot problems over the last few years. His value

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Speaker 1: will Probably he's never gonna be able to draw like

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Speaker 1: a first or second again, probably, I don't know. He uh.

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Speaker 1: He's also not going to resign with that team three

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Speaker 1: months from now. He's also not returning until after the

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Speaker 1: trade deadline, which I read that report as you know

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Speaker 1: it's I know you've gotten on Jalen Ramsey a lot.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's that sort of situation. I think

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Speaker 1: Adrian Green is smart. He's not going to return from

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Speaker 1: the injury until he's absolutely ready, and he's gonna see

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Speaker 1: if he gets traded first. There's no reason to save

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Speaker 1: yes for the for the Bags. It's so much like

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Speaker 1: the Redskins refusing refusing to trade Trent Williams. Both players

498
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Speaker 1: passed their primes. Neither one is gonna be on the

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Speaker 1: next good team for for that franchise. The NFC is

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Speaker 1: so awesome with the forty Niners being kind of the

501
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Speaker 1: new blood there that you can see six different teams

502
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Speaker 1: going to the Super Bowl and the and the forty

503
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Speaker 1: Niners and Cowboys are two of the ones near the

504
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Speaker 1: top for me, and those are just like those well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the cost comes in the a f C, which has

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Speaker 1: got a heaping um round of milk toast operations trying

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Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. A third and fourth round pick

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Speaker 1: for centers. That's what I would have guessed if someone said, oh,

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Speaker 1: most of New got traded to the Pats. That's why

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Speaker 1: I just circling back there real quick that I thought

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Speaker 1: that was a great trade Atlanta. He's essentially their third

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Speaker 1: receiver and you get a second round pick, which is

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Speaker 1: gold in the NFL. It's a good good trade for

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Speaker 1: them too. It's gonna be the back end of the

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Speaker 1: second round, at the very back end, but yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: all right. I think it's a good trade for both.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fair alright. Another trade, garyon Conley, the

518
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Speaker 1: Raiders cornerback, a first round pick in two thousand seventeen.

519
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Speaker 1: He was the guy that got stretchered off in Week

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Speaker 1: one with the neck injury, but was able to get

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Speaker 1: back on the field. He is now a member of

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Speaker 1: the Houston Texans. The Texans shift a round pick to

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Speaker 1: the Raiders for the cornerback. Um. This is a deal

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Speaker 1: that once again Mark shows Bill O'Brien going all in

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Speaker 1: on his team right now, giving up that third round

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Speaker 1: are they acquired in the Clowney trade. They go get Connley,

527
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Speaker 1: who has not played up to expectations, But O'Brien sees

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Speaker 1: them as somebody who will upgrade their secondary now. Yet

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Speaker 1: they lost Bradley Roby for you know, another month or so,

530
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Speaker 1: if not a little bit less than that. Lonnie Johnson

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Speaker 1: is the worst ranked player on their entire defense. According

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Speaker 1: to PFF, they needed a lot of help in the secondary.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised to see them make another deal

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Speaker 1: for this, because I think you're right, Bill O'Brien is

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Speaker 1: kind of in what I love, gigantic fu mode. You

536
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Speaker 1: don't like the way that I'm running this team, I'm

537
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: gonna keep doing it my way. And if we're okay

538
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Speaker 1: with the bell with the Bill Belichicks of the world

539
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Speaker 1: making NonStop moves. Maybe Bill O'Brien is not as crafty

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Speaker 1: a tradesman as Bill Belichick is. But I kind of

541
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Speaker 1: think if you're a Texans fan, you can at least

542
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Speaker 1: live in the comfort zone of knowing my team goes

543
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Speaker 1: for it. We're not gonna sit on aging assets and

544
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Speaker 1: not move them or not try to go get the

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Speaker 1: guys that can improve, right away. Their offensive line is

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Speaker 1: vastly improved because of that Huntled trade. So we're not

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Speaker 1: gonna draft anyone in two thousand nineteen. Well, but more

548
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: and more teams that we're calling out the wave of

549
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: the future, do it. We We crowned them with read

550
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: it's different. Gary and Conley struggled. I mean Gary and

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Speaker 1: Kindley with this was I'm not saying Gary and Conley's

552
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Speaker 1: answer for it, No, I agree with that, but it

553
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: was an emotional trade. Gary and Kindley had an awful

554
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Speaker 1: Sunday and they traded him the day after. The Texans

555
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: lost two different cornerbacks in the last two weeks to injury,

556
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Speaker 1: Philip gaines On I R and and Roby Shirt. They

557
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Speaker 1: need someone to play. You know what, that's code that's

558
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: code words again, Greg, what an emotional trade. That's a

559
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Speaker 1: way of saying that O'Brien didn't think out. I'm talking

560
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Speaker 1: about them, the Raiders, and that Conly had a terrible

561
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Speaker 1: game and they traded him. I can buy it from

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Speaker 1: the crewden Angle or he's like, you know, this guy's

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00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: out the house. The reason I was gonna come to

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00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: Bob's defense here, Bill O'Brien was he I'm giving him

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Speaker 1: a little bit of the benefit of doubt because he's

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Speaker 1: been pretty good the last few months. UH, crew and

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Speaker 1: I could totally traded clown Anie for Conley. Basically, he

568
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: got a third round pick for Clowney and he treat

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Speaker 1: used it for Conley. We knew in August they were

570
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Speaker 1: desperate at running back. They were desperate on the offensive line,

571
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Speaker 1: and they were desperate in the secondary. And they fixed

572
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Speaker 1: running back an offensive line. They're still desperate in the secondary.

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Speaker 1: This doesn't fix anything, I don't believe, all right. Finally

574
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Speaker 1: in the news, the Super Bowl cramper black of Baper

575
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Speaker 1: old Man Willie Yes. One of the indelible images in

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Speaker 1: the history of UH the NFL, shot by NFL film

577
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Speaker 1: cinematographer cinematographer Ernie Earns was Willie Brown. UH. It's in

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl leven with the pick six that clinched the

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Speaker 1: raiders first ever Super Bowl title. John Madden on the sideline,

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Speaker 1: Hal Davis uh the king of the world at that time,

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Speaker 1: and and Willie Brown passed away on Tuesday at the

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Speaker 1: age of seventy eight. Um had a great career over

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Speaker 1: sixteen seasons. One of the great ball Hawks, he was

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Speaker 1: known as the godfather of the bump and run UH

585
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Speaker 1: played twelve of his sixteen seasons with the Raiders. UH.

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Speaker 1: Nine time Pro Bowler, five time All Pro UH, Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame in shrine e and uh Wes. You will

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Speaker 1: not hear anyone say a bad thing about Brown, who

589
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: stayed connected to the football and the Raiders for his

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00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: entire life. UH. And he is one of those guys

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Speaker 1: if you grew up um a little bit got you know,

592
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Speaker 1: guys a little older than us. If you and women

593
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: and women, if you grew up watching the NFL and

594
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Speaker 1: watching NFL films, Willie Brown and those Raiders teams, UH,

595
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Speaker 1: they stick with you. He had such a long story career,

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Speaker 1: the best cornerback in a f L history. And then

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Speaker 1: when the merger happens and John Madden's there, he's in

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Speaker 1: Oakland for the entire John Madden era uh, in which

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Speaker 1: the Raiders, Steelers, and Dolphins ruled the a f C.

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Speaker 1: And he's on that franchise as Mount Rushmore. I think

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Speaker 1: I like growing into a football fan around age eleven

602
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: twelve in my case, some kids, you know, we have

603
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: kids that are watching football up more than I was

604
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: when I was young because of the of the place

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Speaker 1: that we work, and I always wonder what they're gonna

606
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: think and remember about the stars of today. You've got

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Speaker 1: another couple of years with Tom Brady. Some of these

608
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Speaker 1: guys that you were watching clips of who are already

609
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Speaker 1: essentially out of the league. They know who Joe Montana

610
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Speaker 1: is by name, But Willie Brown was someone that growing up.

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Speaker 1: When I started to dig into the history of all

612
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Speaker 1: these teams and read about the these weird seasons from

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Speaker 1: the sixties and seventies, Willie Brown's name on highlights two

614
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: would come up over and over and over. And it's

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Speaker 1: almost just because of our age that we don't really

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Speaker 1: remember him in the flesh. Is one of the biggest

617
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Speaker 1: NFL stars around. Yeah, he's He's Inner Circle Hall of Fame.

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00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: They should create that, and you know he would. He

619
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Speaker 1: would be up there of the top five or six cornerbacks.

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Speaker 1: He has five first team out pros and a couple

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Speaker 1: more our uh second team All Pros. That that is

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Speaker 1: special stuff. He also had a four interception game against

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Speaker 1: the New York Jets. So talk about your pain rankings.

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Speaker 1: Even back back in the sixties, Old Dick Wood and

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Speaker 1: Mike Talia Faroh, We're intercepted four times while Brown was

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Speaker 1: a member of the Broncos. Greg had to dig deep

627
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: for that painful to not necessary. Today, West a little

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Speaker 1: impromptu game of win West's toaster in a big spot

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Speaker 1: Willie Brown, like I said. Cinematographer Ernie Earns for NFL

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00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: Films captures the runback. It's super slow motion, one of

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Speaker 1: the great images. Pick six, Super Bowl eleven, go through

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Speaker 1: the pass super Bowl eleven. I don't know Red targeted

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Speaker 1: alright right now with my sons are obsessed with Rocky

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Speaker 1: right now, right now, you haven't gotten the eye of

635
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: the tiger back. You need Apollo to come and say,

636
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: come on, man, you're blowing it and you need to

637
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Speaker 1: start running on the beach together. Well, I'm as rusty

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00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,479
Speaker 1: as Melvin Gordon, so you'll have to. Yeah. The toaster

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Speaker 1: also still belongs to Dave Damnaschek. Alright, Yes, Willie Brown

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Speaker 1: passes away at the age of al right, that's what's

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Speaker 1: happening in the news. All right. We teased it at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the show, and now here it is.

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Speaker 1: We're very excited to say it's a crossover here a

644
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Speaker 1: home and home if you will. Yes, the Great Andrew

645
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Speaker 1: Hawkins and Joe Thomas from the Tomahawks Show from the

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Speaker 1: Uninterrupted World. Welcome to the Around the NFL podcast. Boys, Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you for having us guys. Quite the honor here.

648
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Speaker 1: This is this is gonna take a little bit of

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Speaker 1: time for us to get get the rhythm down. We're

650
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Speaker 1: in like seven different locations doing this podcast, but it

651
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: is long overdue. We've got to set this up so

652
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Speaker 1: many times though. It's a pleasure to finally be here

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Speaker 1: on the Ronnie Nifoh. Yeah. Your producer, of course is Head,

654
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Speaker 1: who once upon a time produced our show here at

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Speaker 1: NFL Media as his um profiles grown across the country. Um,

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Speaker 1: and I did mention Uninterrupted. I just want to start here.

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Speaker 1: When when you guys come to that company, Is there

658
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Speaker 1: a sit down with Lebron where you you pitched the show?

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Speaker 1: Do you get Have you had any deep conversations with

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Speaker 1: Mr James? Yeah, it was like a recruiting process, so

661
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Speaker 1: you know, we had official visit. Lebron bought us the

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Speaker 1: hummer um just to get everything kicked off, and from

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Speaker 1: there we had a big bag of cash that he

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Speaker 1: dropped off at Joe's house and Wis constant that was

665
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Speaker 1: used to class um as a top recruit, though, and

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Speaker 1: here we are, man, it's been blissed ever since. He

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Speaker 1: actually came to my mom's house and he sat down

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Speaker 1: on the couch and he explained why un interrupted was

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Speaker 1: the right choice, and I said, well, you know what

670
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Speaker 1: you gotta do, Mr Lebron, You gotta show us the money.

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00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: We don't go anything anywhere for free. This brings back

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Speaker 1: memories of the film Blue Chips starring Nick Nulty, and

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Speaker 1: exactly all right, Oh, you guys, your show is like

674
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: our show. You talk about football, you talk about the

675
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: Browns probably more than you should, and you do it

676
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: with a little bit of mirth. So why don't we

677
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: Why don't we get into some discussion and West, do

678
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Speaker 1: you want to get us going here on some football

679
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: talk the Cleveland Browns? I do because I have questions

680
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: in need of answers. We we really thought this Brown's

681
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: offense was gonna be dynamic, you know, with Odell Beckham

682
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: providing that spacing banker making his offensive line look better

683
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: last year, throwing receivers open, and they've kind of been

684
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: the opposite of that against a pretty tough schedule. Do

685
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: you guys see this as an offense. That's fixable the

686
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Speaker 1: rest of the way. I was gonna say, if you

687
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Speaker 1: could just direct the question that one of us, though,

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Speaker 1: and it looks like you're looking at both of us.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, So to answer your question, Um, I think

690
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Speaker 1: we all thought the Browns offense was gonna be a

691
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: lot different than what we saw in the first part

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Speaker 1: of the season. But I think when you added O'Dell,

693
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Speaker 1: you added such a deep threat, which was kind of

694
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Speaker 1: missing last year. And I think they really thought early

695
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Speaker 1: on in the season, Okay, we need to push the

696
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: ball down the field. We need to get the ball

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Speaker 1: in Odell's hands, and so they were scripting a lot

698
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Speaker 1: of plays trying to move the ball down the field

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Speaker 1: with deep throws, and I think that kind of disrupted

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Speaker 1: the rhythm a little bit, and Baker got out of

701
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Speaker 1: that rhythm that he was in towards the end of

702
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Speaker 1: last year, doing a lot of the r P O

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Speaker 1: s and the quick passes and getting the running game going. Um,

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Speaker 1: And I think it led to some inconsistency, and that

705
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Speaker 1: was pretty much throughout the entire offense. You saw a

706
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Speaker 1: lot of inconsistency, and it was only the games that

707
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Speaker 1: they were able to really efficiently run the football that

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Speaker 1: Baker was able to kind of get into a rhythm.

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Speaker 1: And I think they've done some scout self scouting in

710
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Speaker 1: the bye week, and I think we're gonna see a

711
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: lot different offense coming out of the bye week going

712
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Speaker 1: into New England next week, and you're gonna see a

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Speaker 1: renewed focus on a lot of those quick passes. Hawk

714
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Speaker 1: talked about it a ton on our podcast, like, let's

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Speaker 1: get some of those easy completions, let's get some slants,

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Speaker 1: let's get some sticks, Let's get some of those easy

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Speaker 1: routes and put the ball in the playmaker's hands on

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Speaker 1: the edge. Give Baker those high completion percentage throws and

719
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Speaker 1: run the football, and then the deep shots they'll be there.

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Speaker 1: They'll open up those. The defense can't cover everything. They

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Speaker 1: can't take away you run game, you're short passing and

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Speaker 1: your deep stuff. So let the deep stuff happen within

723
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Speaker 1: the flow of the offense. Get Baker in that running

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Speaker 1: game going, and I think that's what we'll see in

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Speaker 1: the next half of the season. If you're a team

726
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Speaker 1: and you know that next up, we've got the Patriots

727
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: and they've been the same team essentially in terms of

728
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: being an imposing opponent for like seventeen decades in a row.

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Speaker 1: If you're the Browns or you're a team that's struggling

730
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Speaker 1: to find yourself, do you look at the matchup with

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick as a player and just say sometimes, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about Freddie Kitchens, but maybe you've been

733
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Speaker 1: on a couple of Browns teams that had some suspect

734
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Speaker 1: coaching going on. Our guys simply cannot match up with

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. How do we stand a chance in this game?

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Speaker 1: Or do you have to put put the horse blinders

737
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Speaker 1: on and just say we do have a chance. How

738
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Speaker 1: real How realism? Where does realism play when you deal

739
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Speaker 1: with New England. I think that no matter what in

740
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: the NFL, you always do have a dance. I mean,

741
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: and I know that the cliche we always say, but

742
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: it's through I mean, everybody getting paid, everyone's under contract.

743
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: And for Bill Belicheck, the thing it becomes is more

744
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: of like the coaches. The coaches have to feel like

745
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: they have a dance. The browser talents. I know, the

746
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: offense hasn't looked great, No, the team has not looked incredible,

747
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: but they have talent. Their problem is they haven't found

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Speaker 1: that cohesion as an offense. As a team, they haven't

749
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Speaker 1: established their strategy. It just seems like they're just throwing

750
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: plays out there like they're playing Madden and you can't

751
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Speaker 1: do that against the New England Patriots and win. So

752
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: if they can come out and say, hey, here's what

753
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: we do best, here's the place we're gonna start and

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00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: call instead of these plays, understanding what the the Patriots

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Speaker 1: are gonna give us and understanding what the Patriots are

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Speaker 1: gonna take away, then I think it gives them a

757
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: chance because man for man, the Browns are still a very,

758
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: very talented football team and if everybody comes to their

759
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: a game, they will have a fighting stamp. Joe, you

760
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: were there obviously forever um and in the back half

761
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: of your career especially, there was so much churn at

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00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: the head coach spot, and I would wonder how much

763
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: that begins to um press on a team. Now. I

764
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: know when Dorsey's there, it feels like a different vibe

765
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: around there. But they're coming out of the by If

766
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Speaker 1: things don't work out against New England and the seasons

767
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: really starts to spiral, does that in fact the clubhouse

768
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: at a certain point the locker room once the speculation

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Speaker 1: in the media starts ramping up. When whenever there's speculation

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Speaker 1: in the media about the job status of the head coach,

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Speaker 1: it puts a lot of pressure and stress inside that

772
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: locker room because then you don't really know who to

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Speaker 1: align yourself with. Right is are you gonna align yourself

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Speaker 1: with the management that's gonna still be there, or are

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Speaker 1: you gonna try to buddy up with the head coach

776
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Speaker 1: and really defend him in the media. And so I

777
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: think that puts the players in a difficult perspective or

778
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: difficult situation. But I don't think that's gonna be the

779
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Speaker 1: situation here. You know, John Dorsey, he hand picked Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: That was the biggest decision he had to make so

781
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: far since he was a GM. But the second biggest

782
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: decision he had was who should he make the head coach,

783
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Speaker 1: And he went out on a limb by hiring Freddie

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Speaker 1: Kitchens and making him the head coach, even though Freddie

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00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: had no head coaching experience, and so to be able

786
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Speaker 1: to take that type of risk, I think he's got

787
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: a lot invested in Freddie and he wants to see

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Speaker 1: this thing through. I think he understands that there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be some growing pains when you're dealing with a rookie

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Speaker 1: head coach. And I think they're they've built up enough

791
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Speaker 1: capital with the good things that John Dorsey has done

792
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Speaker 1: since he's been there, that they're gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: fend off any speculation or rumors that will swirl in

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Speaker 1: the media about the status of Freddie Kitchens. And I

795
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Speaker 1: think for the most part, people are gonna believe John

796
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Speaker 1: Dorsey when he says, you know what, Freddie Kitchen is

797
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Speaker 1: my guy. I still believe in him. I like the

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Speaker 1: things he's doing, and I think for the most part

799
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Speaker 1: that should shut down any rumors or anything that could

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Speaker 1: swirl around Freddy Kitchen's job status, because I truly believe

801
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: from the Hasms to John Dorsey, they want this to

802
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: be a long term thing with Freddie Kitchens, and they

803
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: don't want to be pulling the trigger after one season

804
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: like they've done with Rob Chazinski and when he was

805
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: the head coach a few years ago, and with some

806
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,479
Speaker 1: of these other coaches that they've got rid of quickly.

807
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: They want to be the stable franchise like the Pittsburgh

808
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: Steelers are as two of the great Cleveland Browns of

809
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: all time. I mean, they're you still like communicating with

810
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: with the team and the coaches. A lot of feelers

811
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: out there. You're hearing from them, Sparrows Hawk. When are

812
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: they entire in your number? By the way, I'm waiting

813
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: to get into the ring of honor. Um, you know,

814
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm the most efficient receiver they've had there, they've

815
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: come back that that's that's that alone. I'm anything, I guess, right, yeah,

816
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,479
Speaker 1: so that's a big deal. I'm also the shortest receiver

817
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: they've had. The list goes. I want to know, guys, Um,

818
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: Joe is the expert on getting coaches fired. But I'm

819
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: glad you asked you that question because he's an expert

820
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: on getting coaches fired. For Freddy Kitchens, he was really

821
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: in a no win situation, right, Like, he comes in

822
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: with the team with all this hype. Either A they

823
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: are good and they say, well, yeah, that's because the

824
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: roster is still good, or be they don't play well

825
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: and it's oh, he's a rookie head coach. He doesn't

826
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: have enough experience. So I actually think for Freddy Kitten's career,

827
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Speaker 1: this was the best case scenario because now that we

828
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: see that, oh, this is gonna be harder than everyone suspect.

829
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Speaker 1: If he can turn it around, it will actually show

830
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: what coach he is in the kind of job that

831
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: he's done there and not that it's just he had

832
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: the best players. Oh, it was an easy button for him.

833
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: And it says right there on the Tomahawks show of course,

834
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas, uh and and Andrew Hawkins, it says right

835
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: there that ten Pro Bowl bids between you, uh we uh,

836
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: we've done our part for sure. And to obscure movie cameos,

837
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: but those are none on the Thomas side. No, He's

838
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: has a he has a space for podcasting. So I

839
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Speaker 1: I think, uh, in front of the camera for the

840
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: most part, what we're what are your movie? I was

841
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: actually in IDEs of mart This is like when I

842
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: was in the CFOW was in Cincinnati and someone walked

843
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: into a coffee shop and they're like, hey, you want

844
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Speaker 1: to be in a movie. I'm like, sure, that's how

845
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Speaker 1: you're gonna You're gonna play political intern number two. And

846
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: there was actually a scene in the movie that I'm

847
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Speaker 1: only I'm in there for like a split second where

848
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Speaker 1: I'm just walking by at the beginning. But the one

849
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: thing that I filmed, I was right in between George

850
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Speaker 1: Clooney and Ryan Gosling as they were in this heated argument,

851
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: and I was so excited because I was like holding

852
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: the coffee and he yells at me during the scene

853
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: and I like rush off, and I'm like, oh, I'm

854
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: about to be a movie star. And of course it

855
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: didn't make the film, and there's no like deleted themes

856
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: on the DVD, so that the complete made up story

857
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 1: to anybody at TALL. I know that Cluney and Gosling

858
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: are still talking about that encounter with you and upset

859
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: also that it it hit the Joe. You're you're a

860
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: member of the NFL network family. Um uh, we We're

861
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: gonna ask you about Colleen Wolf in a moment because

862
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: we're wondering where she's at head wise, as her career

863
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: is kind of risen beyond us. But I also I

864
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: know you you spent a lot of time obviously in Wisconsin,

865
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: not too much time in l A. Um, have you

866
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: been to J. J. Watts's log cabin yet? I you

867
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: know that feels like the number one location that every

868
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: male needs to get to before he dies. Actually, how

869
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: I was able to lose my weight and get my

870
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: current physique. I spent a lot of time at J J. Watts.

871
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: Happened in The great news is It's only a few

872
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: minute drive from Chicago. So when I'm out of town,

873
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: i can just fly right into Chicago, drive the five

874
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: or six minutes out of downtown, and there's the log

875
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: cabin on thirty five and acres in the middle of

876
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 1: the city, and I'm able to get a great workout

877
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: in no matter where I am in the city. I

878
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: heard I heard any bulldozed an orphanage to build it,

879
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: So it wasn't technically an orphanage. It was more of

880
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: like a group home. But you know, you know affected,

881
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: But no Colleen, she you know Colleen. We love her.

882
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: She's one of our closest uh friends here at NFL

883
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: Media and before she became the big TV star, she

884
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: used to be on the podcast a lot. She still is.

885
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: But do you reluctantly do you feel that that that

886
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: that star power. Have you felt that around you and

887
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,479
Speaker 1: whether that's changed her as a personality. Yeah, I'll fire

888
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: off with a serious note for one second. Colleen Wolf

889
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: has been an absolute joy to work with. Last year,

890
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing whatsoever. I still

891
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm doing in media, but I know

892
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: a little bit more. And I jumped on Thursday Night

893
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: Football and she was the host, and I was like

894
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: star struck right off the bat. But she was so

895
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: warm and welcoming and inviting and so helpful that uh

896
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: it really it meant a lot to me. And so

897
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: she's the true star of Thursday Night Football and I

898
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: just feel blessed to be able to work with her. However,

899
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: we can still tease her a little bit because after

900
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 1: the show last week, me, Andrew Siciliano, Steve Smith, Colleen

901
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: and then one of Andrew's friends tried to go to

902
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: the local bar right right down the street from the

903
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: hotel after the game to grab a beer and have

904
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: some corn hole, share some stories, break some bread, and

905
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: we got turned away by the bouncer at the door.

906
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: We did not have enough star power to be able

907
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 1: to get it to a half empty bar in Denver

908
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: on a Thursday night. You got hit the big tim

909
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: I know, me and Steve Smith were easy to turn away,

910
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: but Andrew, Siciliana and Colleen, well, if they got to

911
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: be able to get into the best night clubs in

912
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: Manhattan didn't happen. Then, Wow, Steve Smith was turned away

913
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: by a bouncer, had that go. It was actually cool

914
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: about It was like, all right, we don't have to

915
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: come here, We're gonna go somewhere else. Good for him.

916
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: Bad bouncer work, though, colleens a triple threat. You know,

917
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: a host of podcaster Joe. What do you think about

918
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: the fact that Andrew is now breaking into the host

919
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: moll that we do a show together game debut. There's

920
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 1: a lot of crossover here between our podcast that and yours,

921
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: and now he's going like Frank Gifford. You don't see

922
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: a lot of former players that are also the hosts

923
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: of the show, you know, kind of outshining knew Joe.

924
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: What do you think it is tough to work with Andrew?

925
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: He has clearly left me at the laundromat in my

926
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: media career because he is on a trajectory to the

927
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: moon and back. He's the next pet sam Roll. I

928
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: told him he's gonna be doing like somebody that's actually

929
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: talented some someday and I'll just be telling my kids,

930
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: my grandkids that I knew him at one point. There's

931
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: almost just used Joe to catapult my media career lawlessly.

932
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: He picked the wrong guy. He should have picked Lebron,

933
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: the guy that's got the office right next to him.

934
00:46:58,360 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: He could have used him, and he would have already

935
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: be way above the Tomahawks Show. I feel like there's

936
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: too much crossover going on right now. It's like in

937
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: Ghostbuster they say, don't cross the streams. That could send

938
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: us into another dimension. If we do one more crossover,

939
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: like a West Joe Thomas offensive line breakdown, that that

940
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: feels like that could be the final piece that we

941
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: all just disappear into nothing. I usually Andrew calls me

942
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: about thirty at night when he's really tired but he

943
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: can't sleep, and he says, hey, give me that extra

944
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: breakdown of the old line play from that game this morning.

945
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: He doesn't really having a hard time sleeping, So we

946
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: always avoid old line talk like the plague on this show.

947
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: A right, the Tomahawks Show, and this is a home

948
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 1: and home facilitated by TV. One of the great pickup

949
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: basketball players in the history of Los Angeles. Never scored

950
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: over here, never that his name here, never scored a

951
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: TV ever scored up Actually, I thought that was his

952
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: name when I first met him, called him never scored

953
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: him and I was like, how do you spell that? Never?

954
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: Or is it any v are CD still catching it? Um?

955
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: On Sunday, Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler will be guests

956
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: on the Tomahawks Show. So I don't know where that

957
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: leaves West and I but whatever, I'll bury that and

958
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: it will come out to a psychiatrist at something actually requested.

959
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: We requested all four and they were like, well, you

960
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: don't need these two. They're not that show. We were like, okay,

961
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 1: I guess Erica, that ain't right. Um, but yeah, check

962
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: out the tom Show all the time, but especially if

963
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: you're if you want to try it for the first time,

964
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 1: you're gonna have two of the heroes on their week

965
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: eight recap program. And gentlemen like we said this, this

966
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: does feel right because you guys talk football, you talk ball.

967
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: You're mixing some pop culture and just a touch of

968
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: the mirth and and that's why we're all brothers and

969
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 1: uh and and we fly together. We're doing a live

970
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: show before we go. You guys just did a live

971
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: show in London that was an absolute smashing success. Yeah. Yeah,

972
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: we're doing in a live show Hall of Hall of

973
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: Fame weekend. It's not really Hall of Fame weekend, but

974
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: it is a awsome blues in Cleveland. The game is

975
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: Thursday Night football versus the Pittsburgh Steelers Wednesday Night Tomahawks Show.

976
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 1: Can you give us any tips before our first live show? West?

977
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: Drugs helped? Drugs help? Definitely? Yeah. I always. I always

978
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: just telling myself, I'm walking into my favorite bar and

979
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: everyone there loves me. Because the crowd is stacked in

980
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: your favorite They're gonna love you. They're gonna love all

981
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: your jokes right away. It's a canny bail situation. Yeah, show,

982
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: Thomas Andrew Hawkins are gonna play well to a Cleveland

983
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: centric crowd. You got that right out of the gate.

984
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was modern part. I would say, yeah,

985
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: shot a towar it all for each just just to

986
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: keep it all. It's goood with funny because this will

987
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: be the first Cleveland crowd that we've done together. It

988
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: actually does love us because on Sundays that was not

989
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: the case situation. Alright, man, thank you so much for

990
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: joining us, and again, check out the Tomahawk Show every week.

991
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: It's a banger every time out. Thank you. Guys. Thanks guys,

992
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: you guys, thank you all right, that was great. Enjoyed it.

993
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: Like those guys, I think we could be friends with him.

994
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: I think we could have beers with them. I think

995
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: we should get a condo together, mate. And we don't

996
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: all live in the condo at the same time, but

997
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: we have like a set schedule where we always, um,

998
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: you know, oh, this week it's Andrew and West. Next

999
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: week it's Joe and Mark. Oh, look it's it's a

1000
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: Dan and Joe week. Greg Oh. Greg. Greg says he

1001
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: wants the condo to himself. No, that's that's that's fine.

1002
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: But then we'll have parties and we'll all be at

1003
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 1: the condo together. I don't I find myself. I find

1004
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: myself in a little bit of a little Debbie scenario

1005
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: where the three of you, I think, are having a

1006
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: very productive conversation with Hawk and Joe Thomas, and I'm

1007
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: still sitting there with the Browns fan of me being like,

1008
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: what am I doing talking to Joe Thomas because he

1009
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: is as totally love bull a bowl professional, and every

1010
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: time we've went with them, it's like, this guy's how

1011
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: I feel. That's how I feel with Hawk. I was

1012
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: such a big fan of the reality show Fourth and

1013
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: Long hosted by Michael You mentioned where Hawk made his name.

1014
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: I think that every time people should check out game debut,

1015
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: by the way, every Saturday on NFL Network, me Hawk

1016
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: and Cynthia Freeland making picks twice twice on Saturday. It's

1017
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 1: a good plug and that in the Fourth and Long show.

1018
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,439
Speaker 1: No one has been a bigger fan of the Fourth

1019
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: and Long program. I'm telling you, well, here's the thing.

1020
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 1: No one remembers it. I know one remembers it except Greg. No,

1021
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: here's the thing. No one watched it at the time.

1022
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: No one else watched it except I'm not bragging, but

1023
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's sort of like it was like

1024
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: on a terrible network. It was what net work was

1025
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: it on that doesn't exist or something? Yeah, it was

1026
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: Spies first, it was Spike. It was. It was a

1027
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 1: delightful show. Can we start every every episode? Now? Rest fine,

1028
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: I've moved on. I do like the small you know,

1029
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: it's also nice to have an NFL player that we

1030
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: work with that's my size, at least certainly not in

1031
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: terms of like you know, fit Mass got breaking news

1032
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: only six times faster than you nes Chris West. I

1033
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: love when West of It delivers it. You know it's

1034
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: gonna be good. Well, it's major injury news for the

1035
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: Detroit Lines. Bad bad news. Uh. Carrie On Johnson had

1036
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: to go on I R with a knee injury that

1037
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: he suffered in week seven. That's not good. He injured it, Yes,

1038
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: he injured it. Uh this past Sunday and he showed

1039
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: him on the sidelines of the pants up with the

1040
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: brace on, trying to walk it off. Had a heavy limp,

1041
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: and you had a bad feeling about it. But I

1042
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: R is a surprise. They've got fellow, They've got rookie

1043
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: Ty Johnson j D. McKissick, who's more of a gadget player.

1044
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: And I believe they claimed Paul Perkins off waivers from

1045
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: the Giants. But very suspect depth there at that C. J. Anderson,

1046
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: I can't even get a sniff out. Everyone says, you know,

1047
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: running backs are important until you lose carry On Johnson

1048
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: And now they're running game is not going to be

1049
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: relins trouble. You know in the movie where like there's

1050
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: the midway point where it's like a cast of adventurers

1051
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: have to say say goodbye to someone that's sort of

1052
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: sacrificing themselves in a heated moment against some sort of

1053
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: mythical beast. I like, we're quietly, uh, moving away from

1054
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions who've been left underneath the big boulder

1055
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: and are not going to be advancing with us on

1056
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: to the next stage. Schu The next couple of weeks, tried,

1057
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: we tried, well, we brought them along on the journey.

1058
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: You know what, the schedule softens up, get a couple

1059
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,959
Speaker 1: of dubs in here. We're not out, We're just we're

1060
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: we're attuned to the reality situation that they've lost three

1061
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: in a row and now one of their most important

1062
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: players on offense. Right, We're not We're not um, you know,

1063
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: pointing fun at them or giggling at the whole situation.

1064
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 1: We don't. We don't approve of it, but it's the reality.

1065
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: I'll always look fondly on that late September early October time,

1066
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: and the Lions were salad days alright. Mark wrote a bunk,

1067
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: absolute banger. I mean, I'll read the headline and you

1068
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: tell me if you think it's a banger. Assistant Coach

1069
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 1: of the Year question Mark Robert Sala tops competitive field.

1070
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: Now I got a little business like in the back

1071
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: end of the headline. I'd like to keep it saucy

1072
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: all the way through. How about how about Colon, you know,

1073
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: assistant Coach of the Year Robert Why the question? I

1074
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: think the question is asking, like, did someone actually pen

1075
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: an article about assistant Coach of the year. They're still

1076
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: processing that as content providers. I think so is this

1077
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: is this essentially in the slot reserve for What's grinding

1078
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: My gears? With Mark Sessler? It is? And like, this

1079
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: is something that I do care about. I do care

1080
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: about this topic. That was that his week column? Is

1081
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: that what's grinding my gear to? That was the old westling? Uh?

1082
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: That wasn't old grind gear? Like, when Dan is going

1083
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: to present anything that I do here, I just have to,

1084
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, kind of shoulder the concept that he's not

1085
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: read it, does not care about it, and only cares

1086
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: about it. Well, that's true. I I am not reading

1087
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: anything about the NFL today. And I told you it's

1088
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: a run up, which is the same thing that happened

1089
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,959
Speaker 1: when I wrote My Brown's long form. It happened after

1090
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 1: it came out the day after a Jets loss. And

1091
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: you refuse to read that and still have not. So

1092
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: I enjoyed that piece. Question will at some point run

1093
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: out of excuses. I read that piece and enjoyed it. All. Right,

1094
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: here we go, let's all right, here we go. Let's

1095
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: get to it. Robert sala I don't want to. I

1096
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: want to save it because he's at the headline. You

1097
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: can figure it out. But let's start in the back end. Um,

1098
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,919
Speaker 1: you got some honorable mentions. Eric Washington's getting votes. Yeah,

1099
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,439
Speaker 1: I don't even know if we need to dig into

1100
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 1: that crew. But north Turner is getting some poppy even

1101
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: but you got I got some questions. Okay, why don't

1102
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn it over to Chris Wesley. Why don't

1103
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 1: you like offense? Alright? Groman has like turned the Ravens

1104
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: offense into that thing for the first time. If More

1105
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: has the number one d v oh A in the

1106
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: nf O, I would argue that you want Here's what

1107
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: I would argue, back it up. This is all these

1108
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: awards are optics and perception based. And but you're the

1109
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: one writing the argument. You're doing you can make your

1110
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: own No, no, I'm are I'm arguing who who is

1111
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: going to win it? I think is it a real award?

1112
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 1: I'm not even I'm not joking here. Yes, Actually, we've

1113
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: been discussing it for half a decade. I thought it

1114
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: was kind of like your award. Now. They started, they

1115
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: started five and there was the way dismissed. There was

1116
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: the one year where Scarneckia got some serious votes, but

1117
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: he did not win it. And four of the five

1118
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: winners have gone on to become head coaches. I really right,

1119
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: And he's the one who is the reigning assistant coach

1120
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: of the Year. It is Vic Fangio. Okay. West West

1121
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: says that because on Mark's list, the top four options

1122
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: right now, the leaders in the clubhouse um and five

1123
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: of seven are all defensive minded. I think for me

1124
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 1: it's because of the which it's a shorter sample size.

1125
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: The Niners defense, the Bill's defense, the Saints defense has

1126
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: been more consistent, I believe than the Cowboys offense. The

1127
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: Cowboys offense ten weeks from now, Kellen Moore is the

1128
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: perfect guy to win this award, and after three weeks

1129
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: I mentioned would have wanted going away. I think that

1130
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: he's got competition, But I I hear your point on

1131
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: Greg Roman. For me, with Greg Roman, I would want

1132
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: to just see where they are a couple months from now,

1133
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: but he's done it so far. I agree, and that's

1134
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: why he's on the list. He's on the list. He

1135
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,479
Speaker 1: would be in my top two. Petton has been good,

1136
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: but he's you know, their defense been a little up

1137
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: about the fact that the Ravens have a top five

1138
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: five offense running it in a different way than basically

1139
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: any offense. And and maybe Roman doesn't get credit for

1140
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson just scrambling because that's the last couple of weeks.

1141
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: It hasn't all been called runs. It's credit for for

1142
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: doing something that no one else is doing. And there

1143
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,479
Speaker 1: really no one else has ever done about that fourth

1144
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: and two call that swung that game a brilliant call.

1145
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: Leslie Fraser is an interesting one because I think he

1146
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: gets forgotten because his head coach feels like the yeah, well,

1147
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: I mentioned that that that's it's tough to win those

1148
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: awards when people are wondering whether it's McDermott or Fraser,

1149
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: because it is McDermott. I think, ultimately right, it is

1150
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: his defense and and Fraser and him make a great pairing.

1151
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: You got Dennis Allen, who's done wonders with the Saints. Um,

1152
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: this would be a sweep, I think for the Saints

1153
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: because it feels to me and less Frank Wright goes

1154
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: and gets it. The Coach of the which is basic.

1155
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: If you tracking Coach of the year, screw you. It's

1156
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: about assistant coach. And you think that Peyton's gonna win

1157
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year. Probably now is Dennis Is he

1158
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: gonna swoop in where we are now Dennis Alan swoops

1159
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: and grabs assistant Coach of the Year. That tells you

1160
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: a lot about why the Saints are so successful. Great staff.

1161
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: I'd be stunned if the Academy went with coach and

1162
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: Assistant Coach of the Year a coy a k a

1163
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: a coy Assistant Coach of the Year, if they if

1164
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: they gave that to the same team, because I am

1165
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: cynical enough just to not to believe in how a

1166
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: lot of these awards work, that that's not what they do.

1167
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: They're going to find a way to give a little

1168
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: piece of the pies to some different storylines. Well, you

1169
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: got Allan at number two right now, and you do

1170
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: have Robert Salat would need to be kidnapped by you know,

1171
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: an angry band of Taiwanese. Uh, you know, terrorists to

1172
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: to not win this thing at this point. I mean

1173
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: he could take them out. That sounds like John Wick.

1174
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: You know, it sounds like an action movie. Would be

1175
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: a good action movie. I mean I kind of the way.

1176
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: I like the way the second one you saw. I

1177
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,439
Speaker 1: don't think that's how it is done to the taiwan Well,

1178
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: here's the thing. That's that's a question to Mark, as

1179
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: you often say, and you said it earlier, this could

1180
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: be narrative based, although you would think Assistant Coach of

1181
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: the Year is underground enough where it would be maybe

1182
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: more pure than the m v P, which is a

1183
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: bit of a soap opera. You you you love getting

1184
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: to the narrative. But what are the terrible award picks

1185
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: that have been narrative based over the last few year.

1186
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: Come Back Player of the Year. I am okay, I

1187
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: think what they do a lot of times though m

1188
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: VP an Offensive Player of the Year to me feels

1189
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: like Best Picture, Best Director, where they find a way

1190
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: to give a little bit of everyone. Offensive Player of

1191
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: the Year is a joke. Why I have that award?

1192
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: That's the that's to Mark's point, I still understand what

1193
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: it means or how it's figured out. What we're talking

1194
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: about that a man of of of character. I don't

1195
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: even vote for Offensive Player of the Year when they

1196
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: do that little NFL dot com writer things, I refuse

1197
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: you sleep. And I used to say that. I used

1198
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: to make a little point about how the awards stupid,

1199
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: and they published that once, but then they just stopped

1200
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: to stop. So salah um to the point of the

1201
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: narrative base that was when we were in London. Um,

1202
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: who were they facing that week? It was the Ramsay.

1203
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: You kind of need that big national moment to get

1204
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: on everyone's radar, and I think that has helped him

1205
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: a lot. And the fact that the Niners are I

1206
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: think that's a lot of it because the voters are

1207
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: not watching every one of these games. And let's be honest,

1208
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: like coordinator level coaching, we hear from these guys for

1209
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes a week, and the idea that we know

1210
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: what a coordinator is doing from team A to team

1211
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: B two team C is is ridiculous. It's an ultra mystery.

1212
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: So it's all uh, image based, it's all ego. It's

1213
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: just like everything we do all the week long. Yes,

1214
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: you could extend that to every bit of NFL an

1215
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: right back to back primetime games for them in Week

1216
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: nine and ten. I can already see it. We're in

1217
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: uh Fort Lauderdale in February. Forty Niners are there and

1218
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: everyone's crowding around Salah in the crowd at media day

1219
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: because he's already Everyone knows who's already accepted that the

1220
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: Falcons job or some other job. You can't exactly talk

1221
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: about it yet because they can't announce it, but he's

1222
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: a big Stan. A year ago, his defense recorded an

1223
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: NFL low historical low seven takeaways. So you know, hopefully

1224
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: we all can come back the X and theo's. It's

1225
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: it's not the exes and the os, it's the Jimmy's

1226
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: and the joe like that. And you want to talk

1227
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,479
Speaker 1: about a clean sweep of the awards, I was gonna

1228
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: say solo maybe best bod of assistant coaches. Remember a

1229
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: guy named Dan Campbell, once upon a time the interim

1230
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: head coach of the Dolphins. Well he's now the tight

1231
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: ends coach of the New Orleans Saints. They can sweep

1232
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: the entire awards, including Hottest Body. I wouldn't say they're

1233
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: tight ends are killing it. No hottest body, Well what

1234
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: about I didn't notice you didn't mention, uh, Steve Belichick

1235
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: or anyone from this you know, historic Patriots defense? Explained

1236
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: to me what I don't know who says it has

1237
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: to be a coordinator. They've got like three they've only

1238
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: had three coaches. Two of them are named Belichick, one

1239
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: of them in charge of the secondary. They're the ones

1240
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: with the eighteen interceptions? Oh do you? Was he? What

1241
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: was really funny? You go down memory lane this summer

1242
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 1: when Greg was trying to figure out things to be

1243
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: nervous about the Patriots, and he kept on going on

1244
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: to their homepage and be like, look, they don't have

1245
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: any assistant coaches under on tracked because there was only

1246
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: four or five head shots still that when you were

1247
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: talking about that, one of them is Brett Bielima. Remember

1248
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: when you thought that was something to be concerned about.

1249
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: It was partly a bit that was Patriots dot com.

1250
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: There's only one picture that panned out to be an

1251
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: extreme crisis for the I now do support a future

1252
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: where it's just Steve and Bill Belichick, McDaniels and Scarnecki,

1253
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: a four man coaching staff cut out the fact. Let's

1254
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: keep Mayo because he's a he's a patriot, you know,

1255
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Alright, one more quick game of when

1256
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 1: West's Toaster before we get to Thursday Night Football, Chris

1257
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: Dan Willie Brown, Rest in Peace is iconic? Pick six return?

1258
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: You're really putting a lot of sticks? Slow motion shot, Yeah,

1259
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: running towards the end zone for the clinching score. Who

1260
01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: was the NFL film cinematographer, a photographer behind that show?

1261
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: You should know this. I would say Steve Stable. On

1262
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: a broader scale, yes, but no, the exact I've mentioned

1263
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: his name twice at today's show. Oh, Ernie Earnest, that's correct,

1264
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: the toaster back, big ern I can't if you remember that? Alright?

1265
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: How many? How many guys are named Ernie Earnst? All right,

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Speaker 1: let's get to it. The Washington Redskins at the Minnesota

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Speaker 1: Vikings slaughter Um on Thursday Night Football. The Skins one

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Speaker 1: of the only winless teams left in the league. In fact,

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Speaker 1: no do they win. It counts if he beat they

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Speaker 1: they beat the Dolphin. My people's minds, really, but my mind.

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Speaker 1: Apologies to the Redskins. They do have one win, but

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Speaker 1: they got shut out um at home on Sunday. But

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Speaker 1: you know they're playing a pig slop against the Niners,

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Speaker 1: so we won't go too crazy about that. But they

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Speaker 1: are a bad football team and they head to Minnesota

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Speaker 1: place where um U s Bank Stadium, where the Vikings

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Speaker 1: are gonna lose against the good a good team, so

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Speaker 1: against a bad team. So West, when we checked the

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Speaker 1: boxes when Will kirk Cousins struggles, well we almost hit

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Speaker 1: it here because you got primetime game. Um, you've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of people watching. But what you don't have

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Speaker 1: as an opponent that's gonna give him trouble that he

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Speaker 1: should keep rolling here? Right, Yeah, this checks all of

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Speaker 1: the boxes. And I can't even envision a scenario where

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Speaker 1: the Redskins win this game. I know Dick Greg likes

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Speaker 1: to say that any team can beat any other team,

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Speaker 1: but the Vikings are set earlier on the show. But

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Speaker 1: the Vikings are so much better than the Redskins, and

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Speaker 1: they are so much better at home than they are

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Speaker 1: on the road. I love the way their defense is

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Speaker 1: playing Eric Kendricks in particular, but their offense, Dan you

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Speaker 1: said before the season, top five offense, their top five

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Speaker 1: and d v O a bang. Well. Two things stand

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Speaker 1: out to me in this game. Number One, everyone should

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Speaker 1: listen to what Mark said. Uh, that game is a

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Speaker 1: delight to watch on game Pass. They were loving on

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Speaker 1: this up. It's fun. You know, it's a little weird.

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Speaker 1: The Redskins didn't allow Case get him to throw until

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Speaker 1: they were down nine. Nothing with him. He couldn't, but

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Speaker 1: I guess he couldn't. But the beggar story is Cousins

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Speaker 1: throwing dimes. He's had some throws in the last couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks that were amazing. I mean that first touchdown

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Speaker 1: that got Theeland hurt was an amazing throw, moving to

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Speaker 1: his left, throwing to his right. The throw that basically

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Speaker 1: ended the game against the Eagles where he's getting pushed

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Speaker 1: out of bounds was an incredible throw. Cousins is feeling it, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's revenge game. They have a plan

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Speaker 1: on offense. Now. I love that they were able to

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Speaker 1: look at look in the mirror and change the way

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Speaker 1: that they're attacking teams with their offense, and it's it's

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Speaker 1: covered a lot of sins. There was a lot of

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Speaker 1: grumbling in there. The Redskins, to me, like that Niners

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Speaker 1: game or really any game on offense, they seem scared

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Speaker 1: of their own personnel. They seem ultra conservative because they

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Speaker 1: lack a plan. And there's no way that you can

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Speaker 1: really imagine the Redskins attacking a team unless that other

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Speaker 1: team his injury riddled to the core. And I this

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Speaker 1: this Dan, we have to cover this as a what

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Speaker 1: will amount to a separate breakout pod on Thursday night.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be digging deep. Like you got Peterson

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota, who's running pretty well. West's boy ultimately still

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Speaker 1: juicy little yeah, right, he's got a high. He says

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Speaker 1: he's now feeling that he can play. He wants cousins

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Speaker 1: against Walter Payton touched him for him, Yes you want

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Speaker 1: that's about case Keenum against the Vikings. Oh this game.

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Speaker 1: He swatted that down. He said he's played for so

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Speaker 1: many teams at this point. Then every week he brought

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Speaker 1: the Vikings two years ago too. He could say that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got hurted, but it's fine, but I don't. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's if that's that's the benchmark for revenge and revenge.

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Speaker 1: But that was hopefully, you know, he has other great moments,

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Speaker 1: but him getting to the NFC championship, but that that

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Speaker 1: was a pretty great case. And then they ship him

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Speaker 1: off and they take the high you know, the young

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Speaker 1: want to be treated. We'll get two quarters of Dwayne

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Speaker 1: Haskins in this game. I think this is an unpopular

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Speaker 1: hot take, but it does. Nobody wants to say it,

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Speaker 1: but this is checking all the boxes that the Redskins

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Speaker 1: already know they have a bust in Dwayne Haskins. The

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Speaker 1: fact that he's not playing right now, this doesn't happen anymore.

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Speaker 1: There's no such thing as putting your quarterback in mothballs.

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Speaker 1: When you pick him in the first round and there's

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Speaker 1: no one else in front of him, that's that can

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Speaker 1: play a damn I mean you could. That's that's assuming

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Speaker 1: that they're that your first year of your career is

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Speaker 1: instructive for the rest, which I'm not. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: he's I'm yes. I just think it's a very bad

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Speaker 1: sign that they're not having him play and they're able

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Speaker 1: they could stand behind well, we don't want to rush him.

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Speaker 1: He's not ready. But the fact that that doesn't happen

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Speaker 1: anymore makes me think that there are some real concerns

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Speaker 1: behind it right now. There are because every single broadcraft

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Speaker 1: cast crew that goes in there, including I can't remember

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Speaker 1: who announced the Redskins game last week, but including them,

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Speaker 1: they all talk with in form ration based on what

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Speaker 1: Haskins isn't ready to do or basically that the coaching

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Speaker 1: staff doesn't want to But the one thing is they

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Speaker 1: are zooming towards number one overall pick potential if the

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Speaker 1: Dolphins ever won two games this season, So you can't

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Speaker 1: be in the position to draft one of the big

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks that everyone is organically tanking for. And well, I'm

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Speaker 1: saying the Redskins their quarterback guy. I mean, that's their

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Speaker 1: owners guy. Yeah. All I'm saying is if Haskins is

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Speaker 1: not is not ready to play, and he's there's issues

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Speaker 1: with him, then why do you not move on after

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Speaker 1: one year? Look what happened at the Cardinals. They wound

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Speaker 1: up doing the right crazy. I guess it'd be crazy

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Speaker 1: to me without having to actually play. And that's what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying the owners. The owners, I know, but if

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Speaker 1: you if you know it's at the time, it's not

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Speaker 1: that crazy. In it would have been crazy four years ago.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's that crazy. If you're like millions

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Speaker 1: and millions of dollars are riding and having the right quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And I know he got it. He had a cup

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Speaker 1: of coffee this season and then got sent back to

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Speaker 1: the bench. But who is the last for astur round

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Speaker 1: pick quarterback to stay on the bench for a whole season?

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Speaker 1: Essentially is At Mahomes. He played the final week of

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Speaker 1: the year. But Alex Smith was a Pro Bowl quarterback

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Speaker 1: at that stage that year. He was in front of him.

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Speaker 1: All I'd say is if they knew, let's say, if

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Speaker 1: you if you were gonna get Patrick Mahomes three weeks

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Speaker 1: into that season was out Alex Smith, have ever really

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Speaker 1: kept him on the bench. They just took a measured

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Speaker 1: approach with with Patrick Mahomes. We talked about this after

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Speaker 1: the Bears game when Khalil Mack killed that offensive line,

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Speaker 1: but they were that offensive line was injured, and I

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Speaker 1: understood why they weren't going to put him behind that line.

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Speaker 1: But this line's played a little bit better lately. They're

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Speaker 1: running out of excuses not to play it all. Right,

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Speaker 1: there you go. That is our Tuesday Show. Thank you

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Speaker 1: again to Joe Thomas and Andrew Hawkins for their um

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Speaker 1: contribution to the program. Yes Great Guys and Mark and What.

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Speaker 1: Mark and Greg will be on the Tomahawks Show on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: so check that out. Will be back on Thursday with

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Speaker 1: our week eight preview show, and yes, Mark and I

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Speaker 1: will also will be on Thursday night with our recap

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Speaker 1: of Thursday Night football. So it's two shows coming up Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Check them both out. That'll be a thick seven minutes.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping it's It could enter that Eddie Spaghetti Virgo

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Speaker 1: range where you just you love ball so much you

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Speaker 1: can't quit. I just gotta talk Case, Keenum and Peterson

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Speaker 1: go into Minnesota and make it a classic. They get

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Speaker 1: within thirty five points, all right, Stan handsOn signing off,

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Speaker 1: punching that clock, going home for the Quiet Storm, The

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Speaker 1: mail Man, the Old Boss, Bricky Hollywood Behind the Glass

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Speaker 1: Steal Thursday,