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Speaker 1: wall with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, June thirteenth, twenty eighteen, Season fourteen,
Speaker 1: episode number twelve. Welcome to another edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: I'm Derek Eagles and I'm back hosting this thing. Just
Speaker 1: get back. We're gonna, yeah, We're gonna. We're gonna try
Speaker 1: to get to a lot of stuff. This is our
Speaker 1: final show before we take a little bit of a break,
Speaker 1: which Dave desperately needs right now. We're gonna take a
Speaker 1: little break here for about five or six weeks to
Speaker 1: let you guys catch your breath before we head right
Speaker 1: into training camp and startup shows on July twenty fifth.
Speaker 1: We will leave on July twenty four, pool star shows
Speaker 1: on the twenty fifth. How's every about doing this morning?
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. I'm great for your break. Just everything
Speaker 1: like Dave hasn't been celebrating since last week. No, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm excited for a little downtime, but I'm excited for
Speaker 1: training camp, like this is just another step in the
Speaker 1: process of getting there. But like in the meantime, a
Speaker 1: little break sounds nice too, it does. I'm so looking
Speaker 1: forward to just I know, I have a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks of vacation coming up here and I cannot wait.
Speaker 1: Somebody had the audacity in the locker room. I won't
Speaker 1: name names, but yesterday in the locker room, somebody was like,
Speaker 1: how is your off season? Man? I was like, shut up.
Speaker 1: Was this a player? No, No, it was somebody else
Speaker 1: in the media. Okay, okay, well what you've been doing
Speaker 1: with all your downtime? Because they do what downtime? A
Speaker 1: lot of the media that covers the Cowboys, they do
Speaker 1: take a little bit of time off during the season,
Speaker 1: like one of the most annoying months of the year
Speaker 1: because like all the non all the other outlets that
Speaker 1: aren't purely Cowboys come out here and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: like I haven't really been paying attention and like we've
Speaker 1: been dealing with baseball in the hockey or whatever. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, it's all cowboys all the time here.
Speaker 1: So anyway, how you doing it? Great? Thank you? Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm ready talking, man, get into this. Did you do
Speaker 1: some calistitics get warmed up here? No, I'm I'm warm.
Speaker 1: You're like awkward, but okay. Like the dog that doesn't
Speaker 1: need to stretch before it runs off the porch, just
Speaker 1: takes off, like Randy Moss his first ten years of
Speaker 1: his career. Oh yeah, he didn't stretch. That was the
Speaker 1: weirdest thing ever. The whole team would be down there stretching.
Speaker 1: He'd just be walking through the line just kind of like,
Speaker 1: I'm guess that would I don't stretch? Yeah, first, like
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley says, yeah, that's what I was thinking about
Speaker 1: him and Dak Yeah what what was it? Yeah? It
Speaker 1: was like I think our cameras caught it during the
Speaker 1: forty nine er game last year, Like Dak was riding
Speaker 1: the stationary bike to get loose before the second half,
Speaker 1: and Beasley was like, I don't need that, man, Like
Speaker 1: I'm like a dog. I just hop off, and Dak
Speaker 1: was like, your dog probably stretch too. I am still
Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah, it was kind of a dumbuch conversation.
Speaker 1: Fun though, Yeah, Jock City inside. Yeah, all right, we
Speaker 1: got a lot of stuff I want to talk about today.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk a little bit about Zack Martin.
Speaker 1: We'll talk a little bit about this mini camp that's
Speaker 1: happening this week, final time the team will be together
Speaker 1: here before training camp. I want to talk about some
Speaker 1: comments that came out from Cole Beasley yesterday. I thought
Speaker 1: we're interesting about playing wide receiver here and the new
Speaker 1: coach and how they're approaching things. And then at the
Speaker 1: end of the show, I have a few questions that
Speaker 1: are kind of wrap up offseason questions that I want
Speaker 1: to do before we go to our break, before we
Speaker 1: go on our hiatus, because I want to kind of
Speaker 1: give people an idea that haven't been following along, Just
Speaker 1: kind of a wrap up with a few questions from
Speaker 1: an answers from you guys of kind of what this
Speaker 1: offseason has meant and what your expectations are as we
Speaker 1: head into training camp. So first let's start with Zack Martin.
Speaker 1: We've been talking, I guess for a few days now
Speaker 1: that this contract is imminent. Stephen Jones said as much
Speaker 1: on Monday. Looks like it could be happening any point.
Speaker 1: What do we know at this point as far as
Speaker 1: timing or does that even matter at this point, now
Speaker 1: that we really kind of know this is going to happen,
Speaker 1: I'm confident it will be completely done before July twentieth. Good,
Speaker 1: that's all I can give you. Probably before that, yeah, probably,
Speaker 1: but it will be done. Talk about hedging your beds.
Speaker 1: I like it. Yep, this, I mentioned this to you yesterday,
Speaker 1: Like this, it's like only the cowboys have stuff like
Speaker 1: this happened, which is so but you know, I've had
Speaker 1: a couple of days to think about it, and you know,
Speaker 1: this kind of leaked out at a sponsors luncheon here,
Speaker 1: not necessarily a media event, where Stephen Jones kind of
Speaker 1: threw that out to the crowd to you know, just
Speaker 1: kind of like, hey, well he might be a practice
Speaker 1: and then the media at large ran with it. And
Speaker 1: I mean, the deal's gonna get done. But it's so
Speaker 1: bizarre to me, Like we you know, we talked to
Speaker 1: Zach yesterday and he hasn't signed anything. We're just like,
Speaker 1: but how will it feel when you do? You signed?
Speaker 1: Like you know, you're going to be the highest paid guy.
Speaker 1: He's just like, yeah, I hope so, because I haven't
Speaker 1: signed anything yet, and I do think it's gonna get done,
Speaker 1: but it's just weird to me the way this was
Speaker 1: basically reported as like it's gonna happen, but it hasn't happened,
Speaker 1: and now everybody's just taking Well. I got on Twitter
Speaker 1: and I saw it. I'm like, okay, when when did
Speaker 1: this happen? I haven't heard it from us, you know,
Speaker 1: our people. Okay, something it's not enough here happened. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what happens when you said a sponsored event. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the media rolled rolled with it. That's what happens
Speaker 1: when the media is a sponsor. But see it was sponsored.
Speaker 1: But if we want to if we want to get
Speaker 1: into the real nuts and bolts of it, like the
Speaker 1: Morning News was there, they just reported as a sponsor.
Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, but they just reported what Stephen said,
Speaker 1: and then that kicked it into high gear with other outlets,
Speaker 1: NFL Network, a certain reporter that anybody who follows the
Speaker 1: NFL can identify if you think about it, just he's
Speaker 1: that story was there. People knew this was coming down
Speaker 1: the pipe, and that just kicked it into the high
Speaker 1: gear where people will were like, well, I don't want
Speaker 1: to get beat on this, So I'm just gonna throw
Speaker 1: out what I got, even though it's not done. It's
Speaker 1: not fully baked, but I don't know to feel like
Speaker 1: I'm being left behind and exactly. And I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't think Zach was mad, but he kind of yesterday
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, like yo, he'all really jumped on
Speaker 1: this considering it's not done. So it's just weird. And
Speaker 1: it's the type of thing that only happens with the
Speaker 1: Cowboys because they garner so much interest and so much attention,
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, the fans don't
Speaker 1: really care. I don't think they care. I mean, they
Speaker 1: want him to be at the left guard position, right guards.
Speaker 1: They want him to be at the right guard position
Speaker 1: for the next six or seven years, and he will be.
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter to them if he's the highest paid guard
Speaker 1: or not. But one thing. But I think I just
Speaker 1: get the signature on the paper, yes, and it'll be done.
Speaker 1: I think fans should know too. I know sometimes fans
Speaker 1: are probably like, well, why does that really matter if
Speaker 1: they report that? Well, fact, the matter is just I've
Speaker 1: seen situations. You guys have probably seen something as well.
Speaker 1: Were literally we knew that there was a contract that
Speaker 1: was out there, like there's a contract that exists for
Speaker 1: a particular player, Cowboys are ready to go with this contract,
Speaker 1: and it sounds like the other side ready to go
Speaker 1: with it, and then you get months later nothing has
Speaker 1: been done with it. So that's why I think you
Speaker 1: have to be careful. Yes, there may be reported terms
Speaker 1: that are out there, there may be hey, this could
Speaker 1: be imminent, but until it's done, it's not done. And
Speaker 1: that's the part I think fans should most be weary of.
Speaker 1: When they read those kinds of reports. You just know
Speaker 1: that you're being kept up to speed on maybe what
Speaker 1: people are thinking and what could be exist, what could exist.
Speaker 1: It's not done, though, so just be careful with that.
Speaker 1: And as Nick said, by July twentieth, we should have
Speaker 1: some kind of conclusion that you think that's when it
Speaker 1: will happen, betting on that date. If it hasn't happened
Speaker 1: within a week, that's bizarre to me. That saturday in
Speaker 1: it Oh, July twenty sounds about right, But I mean
Speaker 1: za Zach said yesterday that he was like, I felt
Speaker 1: good enough about the progress we've made that I was
Speaker 1: willing to come here so, I mean, that's the best sign,
Speaker 1: right if he's. If he's I would be pissed if
Speaker 1: I were him and he hasn't gotten it done by
Speaker 1: a month from now, I mean geez. So all right,
Speaker 1: let's move on. Let's talk a little bit about the
Speaker 1: mini camp that started up yesterday. They have practices today
Speaker 1: as well as tomorrow. First, let's talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about David Irving. He's been out, has not been a
Speaker 1: part of the OTA's returned yesterday. First of all, tell
Speaker 1: me what he was involved in yesterday as far as
Speaker 1: just how much did he work in, And then just
Speaker 1: just to give people kind of clarity on what's been
Speaker 1: happening with him, Why has he not been here, what's
Speaker 1: the reason if we know one, why he hasn't been here,
Speaker 1: and kind of where he is right now. As far
Speaker 1: as his status that you want to I want to
Speaker 1: just take that. No, I can't say it. I don't
Speaker 1: know anything. Go and well, clearly his girlfriend or baby
Speaker 1: mama or what people call it, I don't know, she
Speaker 1: got on his Twitter account, hacked his twitter started Twitter. Now,
Speaker 1: how he's been violent and going through you know, dealing
Speaker 1: with domestic violent stuff. Then it came out that she
Speaker 1: came back and refrained from the things that she said
Speaker 1: accusing him, saying that, you know, he's actually really good
Speaker 1: to me, he's good to his kid, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: There were no reports I guess officially made to the police,
Speaker 1: or maybe there were, but nothing actually happened with that
Speaker 1: whole thing. That's all I know, And that's all I
Speaker 1: saw as far as that from what I've hear, I've
Speaker 1: heard he's dealing with the whole thing with his child
Speaker 1: and maybe trying to get custody of his kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I think that is about as succinct
Speaker 1: as you can put it. With everything that is public information.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it sounds like he's going through
Speaker 1: a breakup or some drama with her and the I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're the police got involved in first go like,
Speaker 1: I guess that was like a month a month and
Speaker 1: a half ago. But I think it's just it's a
Speaker 1: whole ball of byes basically that he's trying to get
Speaker 1: sorted out. And I think he hadn't even been in
Speaker 1: Texas for most of the last month or so. He
Speaker 1: didn't do anything yesterday. I mean, he's been gone, he's
Speaker 1: you know, they said he was out of shape at
Speaker 1: the start of OTAs, so you know they're not gonna
Speaker 1: be any better shape now. As far as what you
Speaker 1: can see or what you've heard, he's he's he's running
Speaker 1: with the conditioning staff. I mean, he's you know, he
Speaker 1: didn't do anything that resembled football, and I doubt he
Speaker 1: will until training camp. Does that at all concern you
Speaker 1: going into training camp, because in my opinion, he's one
Speaker 1: of your top two defensive linemen. Does that concern me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean everything he's doing is concerning me. As far
Speaker 1: as what they're going to do long term with him,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how many sacks does he
Speaker 1: need to get this season to be resigned by the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I think it's ten, yeah, because I think if just
Speaker 1: my opinion here, I think the Cowboys are like, you
Speaker 1: know what, we'll keep you this year hopefully things will
Speaker 1: turn around, and it's not looking like things are turning
Speaker 1: around right now. I mean, he's not starting off the
Speaker 1: contract year on the right way, and he's got to
Speaker 1: really get this thing back in his direction. He's gonna
Speaker 1: have to have an amazing year. I think to stay here.
Speaker 1: The big word for him, I think is unreliable. Like,
Speaker 1: and that's from a lot of different standpoints. He's had suspensions,
Speaker 1: he's had drama, he's had injuries, Like, there are a
Speaker 1: lot of things that have kepted injuries. Yeah, there's been
Speaker 1: lots of things that kept him off the field. Rings
Speaker 1: and stuff. I don't think that's been an issue, but
Speaker 1: he's had a lot of things that's kept him off
Speaker 1: the field. And when you start thinking about a contract
Speaker 1: year and you start thinking, like, how are we gonna
Speaker 1: you know, do we want to pay this guy? And
Speaker 1: do we want to pay him really big money? Like
Speaker 1: if he has a great season, do you want to
Speaker 1: invest a lot of money in him? Knowing that to
Speaker 1: this point in his career he's been unreliable, that makes
Speaker 1: it very tough, right, Yeah, but yeah, this reminds me
Speaker 1: of a conversation we had last night off air, which
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, yeah, from a football perspective of
Speaker 1: your especially, I mean, it's such a big year for him,
Speaker 1: you want him to be as focused as possible. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's exaggerating to say this is the
Speaker 1: most important year of his life, because if he does
Speaker 1: everything the right way, I mean he could cash in
Speaker 1: in such a big way, whether it's here or somewhere else.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, and you know, he puts
Speaker 1: something on social media like a week ago or two
Speaker 1: weeks ago that was like, you know, I wish people
Speaker 1: would be, you know, talking about the real reason why
Speaker 1: I'm not there, kind of hinting at everything that we
Speaker 1: were talking about. And I think he said, you know,
Speaker 1: there's no football if there's no me, and so a
Speaker 1: part of me is like, you know, you got to
Speaker 1: sort that out. You gotta get your mind right. I mean,
Speaker 1: mental health is something that people have been talking about
Speaker 1: a lot recently thanks to you know, not thanks to
Speaker 1: but because of things in the news, and I think
Speaker 1: that's important. So I'm reluctant to kill him for that.
Speaker 1: I mean, get your life in order, and if it
Speaker 1: helps you focus more later, that's great. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, he's got a long enough track record with
Speaker 1: this where I can't feel one hundred percent confident that
Speaker 1: he's going to show up at training camp and just
Speaker 1: be all right and I and make no mistake about it.
Speaker 1: If if what Amber was saying or alluding to with
Speaker 1: regard to him having to deal with things with his
Speaker 1: family with his kid. I'm always a big believer and
Speaker 1: take your family first. You gotta get that stuff right.
Speaker 1: And because you're not going to be any good in
Speaker 1: other parts of your life. If every day you're dreading
Speaker 1: going home, right, that's not going to be good for you, right,
Speaker 1: So get that stuff taken care of. I totally agree
Speaker 1: with that. But and that's why I also said, like,
Speaker 1: when you say unreliable, there are a lot of facets.
Speaker 1: It's not just that, it's a lot of these other
Speaker 1: things that also are a part of the mix that
Speaker 1: maybe just indicates that he is somewhat unreliable in all facets,
Speaker 1: Like you just can't rely on him to be there
Speaker 1: because there's always something right, whether it's in this instance
Speaker 1: it's the family stuff, but in other instances it's a suspension,
Speaker 1: in other instances it's it's an injury. In other instances,
Speaker 1: they can't keep him on the field because they don't
Speaker 1: feel like he's he can, you know, kind of keep
Speaker 1: that same level of energy throughout the entire game. Like
Speaker 1: whatever it is that they feel like makes him unreliable,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, he's unreliable. Right now,
Speaker 1: I'm giving him the benefit of the dial dow as
Speaker 1: far as that whole unreliability aspect of it, just because
Speaker 1: I mean altas were voluntary. So okay, he wasn't here, Okay,
Speaker 1: not a big deal. I'm not buying into the whole
Speaker 1: line of him being out of shape. I know he
Speaker 1: does look bigger, you know, a little more weight. Not
Speaker 1: he's not the kind either that he takes off a shurting.
Speaker 1: People are like impressed, like he's a he's a kind
Speaker 1: of I think he's kind of a little no. No,
Speaker 1: did you see him last year at this time last year?
Speaker 1: I don't know Instagram to where he was I can
Speaker 1: show I could show you an Instagram if you want
Speaker 1: the nude photos. Oh yeah, I don't. And I'm good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know I think it's noticed. But that was that
Speaker 1: college that was last fall. Really yeah, but again, he's
Speaker 1: not like obese and he's fine. You look at the
Speaker 1: guys that play football. He's okay, he's in good ship
Speaker 1: and he's playing defensive tackle. Ye got a little good?
Speaker 1: Does that? Really? So That's why I'm not falling into
Speaker 1: And again I don't know how the whole process comes.
Speaker 1: How you know what happens there when you come back
Speaker 1: during the off season and get back into football shape
Speaker 1: and all that. But I don't think that's the main
Speaker 1: story here, him being out of shape. I'm not buying that. No, No,
Speaker 1: you're you're right, but I mean he's not. But that's
Speaker 1: not that's not the totality of the story. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: see other stuff. All Right, it's a it's it's he's
Speaker 1: like the biggest variable on this entire roster in my opinion.
Speaker 1: All Right, there's a there's also a list of guys
Speaker 1: who are not involved in the mini camps. Um, I'd
Speaker 1: really like you guys to just kind of run over
Speaker 1: a few of those guys that are not there. I'm
Speaker 1: going to run over him. Wow, take us through the
Speaker 1: list a few guys that are not there. And really,
Speaker 1: more importantly, I really want to know if there are
Speaker 1: any guys specifically that are not out there right now
Speaker 1: that you have concerns about as far as as far
Speaker 1: as them being available for for for training camp. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's a single guy on that list, assuming
Speaker 1: they're not getting run over by a car by you
Speaker 1: or me or anybody. Okay, uh, light pole, Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1: That could be a dangerous holiday. Hey, as much as
Speaker 1: much fun as it is for us to be off
Speaker 1: like it's a scary time to cover the cowboys or
Speaker 1: about you just like, oh god, no doubt about that. Um,
Speaker 1: there's nobody on that list that really worries me from
Speaker 1: a long term perspective, except for probably MALIEK. Collins. He
Speaker 1: was in a boot yesterday. I I mean, he had
Speaker 1: this big old boot that went all the way past
Speaker 1: his knee, and I was just like, that's doesn't seem
Speaker 1: good if you're supposed to be practicing in July or August. So, um,
Speaker 1: you know him and Terrence are coming off foot surgeries.
Speaker 1: Everybody else, I feel like, you know, I have one.
Speaker 1: You're gonna roll your eyes all right, hit me, and
Speaker 1: it's dumb. It's not a big issue obviously, But when
Speaker 1: I heard that Tyren Smith had like on his shoulders, no,
Speaker 1: I'm wait what, I don't roll my eyes with that
Speaker 1: at all, agreeing with you, but I don't feel that
Speaker 1: so that that was a big oh oh okay. Um,
Speaker 1: he hasn't been doing much during like OTAs and all that,
Speaker 1: so just by taking it easy, there's still a whole
Speaker 1: shoulder thing popping up. Yeah, that concerns me. It's not
Speaker 1: a big deal right now, but you know, giving his history,
Speaker 1: there's there's two ways to look at that, which like
Speaker 1: I could roll my eyes at you and be like
Speaker 1: a big freaking whoof, he's the best player on the team,
Speaker 1: like he can have as many reps off as you want.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you're like, he's had a
Speaker 1: shoulder problem during non contact practices after having a whole
Speaker 1: off season. I mean, I hear you, and I'm not
Speaker 1: worried about it right now, but I just think that's
Speaker 1: going to be It's a thing that you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on for the rest of the
Speaker 1: Tyrant's career. I just I mean at this point, and
Speaker 1: that's if all you're doing is keeping an eye on
Speaker 1: it and trying to manage him, then that's great. When
Speaker 1: it starts showing up where he's missing games and that's
Speaker 1: where it's an issue, and the hope is that that's
Speaker 1: not been a trend that's going to continue, that he's
Speaker 1: having to miss games because of whatever the injuries are,
Speaker 1: particularly injuries to the back end to the neck, Like
Speaker 1: those are the issues that I tend to get a
Speaker 1: little more concerned about as you get older, because those
Speaker 1: things don't repair themselves as quickly as maybe other injuries do.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take our first break. When we come back,
Speaker 1: we'll talk a little bit about Cole Beasley. He had
Speaker 1: some interesting things to say yesterday. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he even thought they were as interesting as they were,
Speaker 1: but they certainly popped out to me. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: that when we come right back. This is Dallas Cowboys
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Speaker 1: our break conversations. They're almost as good as outputs on them.
Speaker 1: They might be better. Maybe you just want to do
Speaker 1: it just weok, Yeah, actually let's do that. Actually, what
Speaker 1: we were talking about cares about hockey. You're not drawing
Speaker 1: me off sides? Yeah you almost did. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: draw me. Do you know what off size is in hockey?
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you what I mean. I know it's
Speaker 1: a penalty. I don't know what justifies offsides? Is it?
Speaker 1: When you get past the blue line? You can't go
Speaker 1: he passed, then I can't do it. He can't go
Speaker 1: pass the line before the puck passed goes in first line,
Speaker 1: the blue line, of the red line, the blue line.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm on it. Derek's game, Game five of
Speaker 1: the Stanley Cup Finals was the first hockey I watched
Speaker 1: this year. I didn't even watch that. One of the
Speaker 1: most hockey I watched is Alex Ovechkin like going crazy
Speaker 1: for the last week. I don't know most hockey watch.
Speaker 1: Look what you love it? Actually, look what you did. Nick.
Speaker 1: Now we're like, we're so far in the weeds. Last
Speaker 1: show of the year and we last one, last show
Speaker 1: of the year. Yeah, last show for a month. Oh well,
Speaker 1: all right, let's get back to it. Actually, I think
Speaker 1: we should go into that topic a little bit. It
Speaker 1: might kill one of our other segments. But um, we
Speaker 1: started talking a little about Connor Williams, and um it
Speaker 1: was I guess it was precipitated by a conversation that
Speaker 1: David and I were having last night with Brian um
Speaker 1: about what he was what he was seeing from Connor Williams. Um.
Speaker 1: And one of the things that he mentioned was just
Speaker 1: that it's going to take him a little bit to
Speaker 1: get accustomed to playing where he's playing, playing a guard
Speaker 1: he played tackle at Texas, and a lot of what
Speaker 1: he did at Texas the reason he was success successful
Speaker 1: at Texas, I think, and what Brian was saying is
Speaker 1: because of his athleticism. It was his ability to kind
Speaker 1: of make sure guys don't get around him. But playing
Speaker 1: guard is a much different thing. And Nick I was
Speaker 1: saying in the break, I actually thought of you when
Speaker 1: he started talking about it, because I remembered you talking
Speaker 1: a lot when they were making the transition from Ron
Speaker 1: Leary about how playing guard for you, you want a
Speaker 1: guard that's going to push people around. You want to
Speaker 1: get that push. It was the reason why you weren't
Speaker 1: a big fan of Lyle Collins necessarily playing there as
Speaker 1: much as you were a guy like Ron Leary. But
Speaker 1: talk about just if if the issue for him right
Speaker 1: now is the transition to guard, How does that How
Speaker 1: does that look on an offensive line and otherwise looks
Speaker 1: really really good? Yeah, well, I mean I think that
Speaker 1: that was some of the issues we saw back in
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. They were the worst rushing team on third
Speaker 1: and one in the league. They had three Pro Bowlers,
Speaker 1: and I think Lyle Collins was even an alternate to
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl but yet when it came down to
Speaker 1: really doing your job and knocking people back a yard
Speaker 1: or two off the ball, they had a hard time
Speaker 1: doing that. And I think that's where your strength with
Speaker 1: Connor Williams is going to come into play, or anybody
Speaker 1: really that that's that's the strength. You can't expect these guys.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure if Texas has a great weight room,
Speaker 1: but you can't expect these college players to come in
Speaker 1: and have the kind of strength that they're you know,
Speaker 1: that that you want them to have to play at
Speaker 1: this level. So I think that's going to be an adjustment.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, and and well, it's a little
Speaker 1: tricky right now because and I know, I know brought
Speaker 1: us looks at it as much as anybody, but it
Speaker 1: is still a little tricky this part of the season
Speaker 1: to see how strong a guy is when he's really
Speaker 1: not being able to push people off the ball. It's
Speaker 1: it's just kind of you know, it's harder to see
Speaker 1: the strength. We'll see what happens in training camp and
Speaker 1: we'll see what what his notes look like. They're really
Speaker 1: trying to knock those guys back, but um, it's a
Speaker 1: little bit alarming right now. But I think that's somewhat
Speaker 1: to be expected. Okay, and and well, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: knock on wood and just assume that Tyron Smith will
Speaker 1: be there, which if you're and I mean I never
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody expects him to just be an
Speaker 1: all pro right away. But he's playing between two all pros.
Speaker 1: And that's the point I made right before we came
Speaker 1: back from the break, is like, sorry, Zach, if we're
Speaker 1: making you the highest paid guard in football, then Travis's
Speaker 1: attention should be elsewhere. I'm counting on you to not
Speaker 1: need help basically. Well, but I think that the issue there,
Speaker 1: and what I think really started this conversation in the
Speaker 1: break was what happens then if Tyron is not available
Speaker 1: and now you have back up at tackle and you
Speaker 1: have Connor Williams over there, who is a rookie and
Speaker 1: who may at times look like a rookie, Like, are
Speaker 1: you back to just a tough situation on the left
Speaker 1: side of your offensive? Why you paid Cam Flinting a
Speaker 1: decent amount of money? I mean, I don't. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna make anybody forget about Tyron Smith. But if he's
Speaker 1: as good as his contract and his play with the
Speaker 1: Patriots suggests, then you should be able to weather that
Speaker 1: better than they did last year. Won't be the Atlanta
Speaker 1: Falcons game. I mean, if that happens again with what
Speaker 1: they've done this year, then I don't. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know what to do, because I mean, they sure
Speaker 1: looks like they've taken all the appropriate steps. All right,
Speaker 1: all right, let's jump back in on Cole Beasley. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna read this quote for you, and then I just
Speaker 1: want to get before I say anything, I want to
Speaker 1: get your reactions to the quote, what your thoughts are here.
Speaker 1: Here's what he said yesterday. He was actually speaking to
Speaker 1: one of the media members in the locker room, Jerry Epstein.
Speaker 1: Here's what he said. It feels like the first time
Speaker 1: we're actually being taught how to run routes instead of
Speaker 1: just naturally doing it. When you get to the NFL
Speaker 1: and you're supposed to know stuff is assumed. Law narrows
Speaker 1: down step by step, doesn't assume anything from basics. That
Speaker 1: being said, tell me what your thoughts are hearing an
Speaker 1: NFL wide receiver, particularly in this instance, Cole Beasley say
Speaker 1: that I think that he's being honest because a lot
Speaker 1: of times we just like we were just talking before
Speaker 1: about well, if you can play tackle, you know you're
Speaker 1: a title, you can just move to guard. If you're
Speaker 1: a corner, you can move to safety. Well if you're
Speaker 1: if you're a position, if you're a head coach in
Speaker 1: college football, you could just be a position coach. And
Speaker 1: that's not always the case. It goes back to basics.
Speaker 1: And that's what we heard that about Sanjay Law from
Speaker 1: back in the Senior Bowl when he was first being hired,
Speaker 1: that he was a great teacher. Jerry Jones said, he
Speaker 1: is an outstanding teacher, and that's what it is. Dave
Speaker 1: Campos said to me that he much, I mean, the
Speaker 1: money was great as a head coach and a coordinator,
Speaker 1: but he loved being a defensive backs coach because he
Speaker 1: could really teach technique and sometimes that's what a coach's
Speaker 1: true calling is. And that's what it seems like that
Speaker 1: Sanjay Law is. So I don't know if it's necessarily
Speaker 1: a dig at the other guys and Derek Dooley and
Speaker 1: the former receiver coaches here, but I think that's the
Speaker 1: attention to detail that makes Sanjay Law a little bit
Speaker 1: different than others. Which and you've seen it, like Nick said,
Speaker 1: you've seen this storyline progress, which it's one thing. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody just everybody loves their draft picks, everybody loves their
Speaker 1: new coaches. Like that's just a thing. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's one thing. All the way back in January, Jerry's
Speaker 1: like he's a great teacher. He's you know, he teaches.
Speaker 1: These guys were out running better than anything. And then
Speaker 1: you get to rookie camp and you know, the rookies
Speaker 1: aren't even allowed to touch the ball while they're out
Speaker 1: on the field because it's all about fundamentals. And then
Speaker 1: you take it to the next step and the veterans
Speaker 1: are even saying it, so I mean, clearly, I mean
Speaker 1: that's the MO that's been the EMO since they hired
Speaker 1: the guy. It just goes back to some of the
Speaker 1: things I heard last year from some wide receivers referring
Speaker 1: to them not being put in their best position on
Speaker 1: the field. It goes back to what Dave was saying,
Speaker 1: having a good teacher. When you have a good teacher,
Speaker 1: you gain a different kind of respect. You want to learn,
Speaker 1: you want to do better when you know that the
Speaker 1: person above you knows what they're talking about, and knows
Speaker 1: what they're doing and knows how to put you in
Speaker 1: your best position. So the fact that Cole said something
Speaker 1: like that, I mean, it makes me excited to hear
Speaker 1: that and excited to see what they can become with
Speaker 1: this new coach around here and knowing how to position
Speaker 1: them and seeing that the receivers are having this different
Speaker 1: kind of respect that they didn't have before. Well, if
Speaker 1: all that's being If if all this is the case,
Speaker 1: then I have an issue with how things have gone
Speaker 1: in the offseason because they have not used this money
Speaker 1: that Dez Bryant contract created anywhere. Doesn't sound like they're
Speaker 1: just trying to go out and get a safety. So
Speaker 1: if this guy is such a great teacher at running routes,
Speaker 1: and what player did have had the most issues running
Speaker 1: routes was des Briant, So why not use des Bryant
Speaker 1: as his as Sanjay Law's best pupil. I mean, why
Speaker 1: why is he coming in here to teach that? Then
Speaker 1: why didn't they let Dez Bryant get the opportunity to
Speaker 1: get better at running routes. He's clearly the most talented
Speaker 1: receiver that they had. I mean, this just doesn't add
Speaker 1: up well unless they needed the money. Do you feel
Speaker 1: that they were aware though, with the coaching spot, as
Speaker 1: far as you know, the whole teaching and running routes.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you do you feel that the ones
Speaker 1: above were aware that maybe the coach was in the
Speaker 1: right fit. Yeah, and just the coach, you're not the player.
Speaker 1: But I think we're making an assumption there that the
Speaker 1: primary reason they got rid of him was because of
Speaker 1: his route running. No, not the primary reason, because because
Speaker 1: I think my belief is that there were more, There
Speaker 1: were bigger reasons that had more to do with how
Speaker 1: he handled himself with his teammates, how he handled himself
Speaker 1: just in the in meeting rooms, all that stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: watch watch that documentary. It to me, it crystallized all
Speaker 1: the reasons why the Cowboys are probably ready to say it,
Speaker 1: we're going to just move on. Do you think Sanders
Speaker 1: has you think what Dion Sanders is saying about they
Speaker 1: should resign him. You, Mike said the same thing yesterday,
Speaker 1: michael Vin, get out of here. It's not happen. That
Speaker 1: bridge is smoldering in the river. It is not happening.
Speaker 1: And I agree with your point though too, And basically,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna piggyback off what you just said, and
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see how this works out. And you know,
Speaker 1: the receivers are happy, you know, al Alan Hearns and
Speaker 1: guys like tavon Os and have said the same thing,
Speaker 1: like they love kind of being taught the fundamentals. It's refreshing.
Speaker 1: It's like harkens back to high school. What blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. It all sounds really good right now,
Speaker 1: but clearly like this position and this problem spot has
Speaker 1: been chosen as like the scapegoat. I mean, injuries and
Speaker 1: suspensions played a part last year too, but like this
Speaker 1: is the thing where they're just like this was bad
Speaker 1: and now it will be good and we'll see, like
Speaker 1: we'll see if it actually works out the way that
Speaker 1: they are talking like it should, because they've made a
Speaker 1: lot of they did big changes based on this problem.
Speaker 1: And if it doesn't get better, then then who you
Speaker 1: point And I've said this all along. I said when
Speaker 1: they cut Dez is that they did not get better
Speaker 1: at receiver right now. They're not better right now at receiver.
Speaker 1: They might be better as far as in the inside
Speaker 1: the locker room. It might be better for Dak. I'm
Speaker 1: not really sure, but I just know talent wise, they're
Speaker 1: not better, which is okay if you can use contract
Speaker 1: and all that to get better in another area. So
Speaker 1: that still to me after about two months, it's still
Speaker 1: somewhat of a puzzling decision to cut Dez to me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's okay. I mean, there's probably more to it
Speaker 1: than whatever the all or Nothing documentary showed. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's more than that. But I just think right now,
Speaker 1: if he's such a great teacher, then I think they
Speaker 1: should have let Des get an opportunity to be taught
Speaker 1: like that, and that if they're not going to do
Speaker 1: anything else with the money, if you want to go
Speaker 1: trade for a guy that's somewhere, you know, that's the
Speaker 1: squirrel they're not playing in another team, then maybe you
Speaker 1: can do that. And I'm all about getting that money.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing to remember about that, though that
Speaker 1: doesn't have to happen now. That could be in preparation
Speaker 1: for next year, because you can't carry money over, right,
Speaker 1: and so this could be preparation for next year when
Speaker 1: said player could be a free agent, and then you
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about giving up a pick in
Speaker 1: all services. Why, I just I don't I love y'all.
Speaker 1: I just I know you do every day when I
Speaker 1: walk down the stairs to come in this studio, i'
Speaker 1: might know what we're talking. No, I'm just like, when's
Speaker 1: gonna happen? Like when where's the opening? Hey? I mean
Speaker 1: he didn't report to mandatory mane. So it is a
Speaker 1: pertinent talking point. Whether it's definitely a conversation worth happening,
Speaker 1: whether I hate it or not, it's worth talking about.
Speaker 1: He started it, Hu, he started it. I didn't say
Speaker 1: any did We started it when he walked in the
Speaker 1: Cowboys locker? Yeah, I didn't. You don't walk to the
Speaker 1: locker room. You can't get there by walking. He had
Speaker 1: to run, right, He had to run over there and
Speaker 1: get and get Jason Garrett. He did. He started it
Speaker 1: and and and nothing has changed since then, and any
Speaker 1: better at safety, he hasn't. He's not any happier where
Speaker 1: he is up there. So I'm just saying that there's
Speaker 1: it's still floating out there. I know, I like, I
Speaker 1: know that doesn't Like I'm trying to think of an analogy,
Speaker 1: and nothing's coming to my mind. You wanted to happen
Speaker 1: just so I'll shut the front door at this point. Yes,
Speaker 1: it gared me so bad right there, Like we're gonna
Speaker 1: have a parade at radio. You can say, well, you
Speaker 1: can't know you can't. Yeah, I'm very appropriate. Yeah, at
Speaker 1: this point, I don't. I don't even care about what
Speaker 1: we don't do the breaks. That's why now really we'll
Speaker 1: be talked about. You know, we can't talk about the breaks?
Speaker 1: Can I throw one other thing? I think this is
Speaker 1: also one thing that this that this quote points out
Speaker 1: to me is I think a lot of this is
Speaker 1: a reflection of the unintended consequences of the CBA when
Speaker 1: they took away time. Then guys are spending I'm just saying, though,
Speaker 1: the time that guys spend on the field has been
Speaker 1: diminished significantly, and it's left teams and coaches in situations
Speaker 1: where something had to be cut. And I think in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, technique is what has been cut.
Speaker 1: I think if you look at preseason football in the
Speaker 1: NFL and really the first few weeks of the NFL,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of bad football. There's a lot of mistackles,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of just stuff that to me, are
Speaker 1: all about the basics and the fundamentals. And I don't
Speaker 1: think coaches um have as much time to be able
Speaker 1: to really focus on those things because now the amount
Speaker 1: of time they can actually spend with the players in
Speaker 1: the office season is diminished. By the time they get
Speaker 1: to training camp. It's not time for fundamentals. You're stalling offenses.
Speaker 1: You're installing defenses. There is getting your team ready to
Speaker 1: play for an upcoming season. There is nothing like the
Speaker 1: NFL in the sense of like the better you get
Speaker 1: at it, the less likely you are to actually practice
Speaker 1: or like be good at it. You know, Like we're
Speaker 1: just talking, like in order to get Tyrn Smith through
Speaker 1: his career, maybe he will only practice like twenty five
Speaker 1: percent of the time for the rest of the time
Speaker 1: he's playing. Like that's insane, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like and baseball teams and basketball teams like not only
Speaker 1: do they play every day during their season, but in basketball,
Speaker 1: like they'll have two hour practices, and baseball you get
Speaker 1: to the park and take BP and shag balls every day,
Speaker 1: and then like in the NFL, you have I mean,
Speaker 1: training camp practices are halfhearted compared to what they used
Speaker 1: to be, and practices during the season are basically just
Speaker 1: walk throughs. It's it's crazy we're talking about the game,
Speaker 1: We're talking about practice. Man. Yeah, I think I think
Speaker 1: this comes back to the two most annoying words of
Speaker 1: this offseason Earl Thomas. Sorry, yeah, yeah right. More than that,
Speaker 1: more more annoying than that, it's probably the term Dak friendly.
Speaker 1: And I think this is this is what another example
Speaker 1: of that is is that I think the Cowboys believe
Speaker 1: that Dak needs these guys to be exactly where they
Speaker 1: need to be. And there's no freelancing, there's no out
Speaker 1: athleting anybody else. You need to run the route correctly,
Speaker 1: get open to the spot so our quarterback can can
Speaker 1: give him the football. Yeah, and that he's still learning
Speaker 1: as well, so help him be as good as he
Speaker 1: can be. Um. And I think that's that's where. Get
Speaker 1: a good teacher in here, get good route runners in here,
Speaker 1: and let this offense kind of flow like it should.
Speaker 1: And for the record, I think it's a good strategy.
Speaker 1: I think it plays to Dak's strengths. It plays to
Speaker 1: the strength of this team, which is running the ball. U.
Speaker 1: Having said that, I'll going back to what I said
Speaker 1: a minute ago, Like if it doesn't work, then that's
Speaker 1: gonna create some tough conversations because why I mean, because
Speaker 1: all offseason it's all been about how like this is
Speaker 1: the way to go. So if it doesn't work, then
Speaker 1: who we blame the next, right, other than the head
Speaker 1: coach right to the top, right the head coach on
Speaker 1: the quarterback? Yeah, I mean, but it goes right to
Speaker 1: the top at that point, like you have everything that
Speaker 1: you need. You you kind of created the thing and
Speaker 1: the image that you think it needs to be. And
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work in you have to be If
Speaker 1: this team doesn't do well and they and they don't
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, we think we know what that means
Speaker 1: for the coaching staff or at least at the top.
Speaker 1: And we also think that, um, you know, if it
Speaker 1: doesn't go well because of the quarterback, then I'm sure
Speaker 1: that the high draft picks probably gonna I mean, I
Speaker 1: think quarterback will be in play, I really do. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's kind of gonna look really weird around town because
Speaker 1: there's a lot of billboards, there's a lot of trucks.
Speaker 1: So those two want to change, they will. Yeah, We've
Speaker 1: seen that happen because guess what we're changing a lot
Speaker 1: of them to have eighty two on them as well. Right,
Speaker 1: that's the nature of the NFL. You have to change things, though,
Speaker 1: But I still see act me Brick commercials with Troy Aikman.
Speaker 1: I understand that. All I'm saying, though, is there's a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff that around here that we've learned over
Speaker 1: the years. You have to be flexible enough to change
Speaker 1: quickly because one day a player might be here. The
Speaker 1: next week he may be gone before I just get
Speaker 1: killed on Twitter. I don't think that's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I think the quarterback that they have right now, it's
Speaker 1: going to be the quarterback for this team for the
Speaker 1: next six seven years. I really think that, if not longer.
Speaker 1: I say, I'm I think he's the guy. For the record,
Speaker 1: I think all this stuff is gonna work. I really
Speaker 1: do love the direction you're going with. I didn't say that,
Speaker 1: Come on, I didn't say that. Yeah, and I we'll
Speaker 1: see if it plays playoffs. But when you when you
Speaker 1: have the kind of offensive line that the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: put together, and you have the kind of running back
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys have, I think that you can take
Speaker 1: the strategy that they're taking a wide receiver and if
Speaker 1: it works. The beauty of it is now they can
Speaker 1: just plug and play with those players. They can take
Speaker 1: that money and invest it in other positions, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: like your offensive line, your defensive line. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of things. I was having this discussion with somebody the
Speaker 1: other day. There are some a lot of question marks
Speaker 1: around this team. But if the question marks fall on
Speaker 1: the side of the Cowboys, this is one of those
Speaker 1: years you could have a team that goes all the way.
Speaker 1: You could also have a team that really falls apart
Speaker 1: right because there's so many question marks. The linebacker is
Speaker 1: a good example of that. Like, if everything works out,
Speaker 1: Shawn Lee's healthy, if Jaylen Smith is back to what
Speaker 1: he was before the injury or somewhere close, If Vanderesh
Speaker 1: plays pretty good and those two guys are doing their thing, like,
Speaker 1: your linebackers could be extremely good, some of the best
Speaker 1: in the league, and that will make your defense that
Speaker 1: much better. But if Sean Lee's hurt, if Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: isn't what they expect him to be, if Vanderesh looks
Speaker 1: like a rookie, your linebacking corps could be really really
Speaker 1: bad and your defense would probably be really really bad.
Speaker 1: And that's my point, like, there is a big gap
Speaker 1: between what this team can be on either side. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just gotta make sure that your backup plan works,
Speaker 1: that you do have a backup plan, and that we
Speaker 1: don't see what happened last year when Tyren Smith went out,
Speaker 1: that you put a guy that I mean, you knew
Speaker 1: this could happen. You knew Tyrn could go out at
Speaker 1: any given time, and your backup plan didn't work, and
Speaker 1: you didn't focus on making your backup work. So those
Speaker 1: are the things that I'm looking at moving forward. Is Okay,
Speaker 1: what's your backup plan? Who's your backup guy? Is he
Speaker 1: gonna be? Like? Is he gonna get the job done
Speaker 1: when you need him to get it done? Because we
Speaker 1: know a lot of the guys they have are now.
Speaker 1: They're great when they're healthy and when they're on the field,
Speaker 1: we know what they could do and it could be awesome.
Speaker 1: But if it goes down, which we've seen can happen,
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen? They have a good backup. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take our final break, will come back. I'll have
Speaker 1: some of those bigger picture closing questions here that I
Speaker 1: want you guys to answer, We'll get everybody ready for
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Speaker 1: Last week, when Amber was was doing my job, she
Speaker 1: decided she was going to throw it at me at
Speaker 1: the last minute, like, hey, here you go, you're turning
Speaker 1: to do the read. So I just gave it back
Speaker 1: to her, so so good. All right, So we're rolling
Speaker 1: through this thing. This is again our final show before
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Speaker 1: out there, And I just want to make a note
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Speaker 1: Keep giving me feedback, letting me know if you see
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Speaker 1: on some things that we've done in the past too,
Speaker 1: because there's been several times where we've opened training camp
Speaker 1: with the brand new site and then the kinks like
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Speaker 1: press conference of training camp and it's not looking That's
Speaker 1: why you do this in mid June like this, you
Speaker 1: learn from your less good. Yeah, so yeah, we'll definitely,
Speaker 1: we'll definitely get all this stuff worked out. Just keep
Speaker 1: giving us feedback and be patient with us. We'll have
Speaker 1: it ready by the time we get to camp. All right, Um,
Speaker 1: so let's get to our final segment here. We got
Speaker 1: some questions. I got three questions for you guys, And
Speaker 1: the point of these questions is more to kind of
Speaker 1: give people a big picture look at the offseason, the
Speaker 1: highs and lows, and then kind of what that means.
Speaker 1: So I want you to answer the question, but I
Speaker 1: really am expecting that we can get into more of
Speaker 1: a conversation about some of these things to just give
Speaker 1: people a good you know, tie this this nice bow
Speaker 1: with the top of this thing at the top of
Speaker 1: this offseason so everybody can get a good idea of
Speaker 1: what happened. So let's start first with what has been
Speaker 1: the biggest loss for the Cowboys. And I have four
Speaker 1: names here, Des Bryant, Jason Witten, Anthony Hitchins, Orlando Scandrick.
Speaker 1: There have been two guys that lost that left in
Speaker 1: free agency, one that was cut and them I'm sorry
Speaker 1: with Scandrid cut. Yeah though, two cut, one loss of
Speaker 1: free agency and then one retired. What has been the
Speaker 1: biggest loss or what player has been the biggest loss
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys? Mine would be Anthony Hitchins. Anthony Hitchins.
Speaker 1: I would say so because right now, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't feel one hundred percent confident with the linebackers, and
Speaker 1: we all knew we could trust Anthony Hitchins to be
Speaker 1: there into filling that role as a leader on the field.
Speaker 1: So when shan Lee went down, I mean, it was
Speaker 1: never great, but there's a guy you could count on
Speaker 1: for sure, So that would be mine in and as
Speaker 1: far as the dus Bryan Tham, I'm still I think
Speaker 1: it was a good move at the time. We'll see
Speaker 1: what it means in the future, but at the time,
Speaker 1: I think that was the decision I would have wanted
Speaker 1: to happen, all right, in the grand scheme of things,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have a problem that Dees isn't here,
Speaker 1: but I still think that's the biggest loss. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like franchise leader and receiving touchdowns, and
Speaker 1: he's you know, he hasn't looked like he used to,
Speaker 1: but he I mean, he can still be a dynamic threat.
Speaker 1: And he easily is the most proven receiver here. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, it sounds good on paper, but that's
Speaker 1: I mean, that's still something they got to learn to
Speaker 1: live without. I mean, all four of those are really
Speaker 1: up for debate because you know, a linebacker, they had
Speaker 1: to go get a first round pick because I think
Speaker 1: because of that, I don't think they drafted vandirect if
Speaker 1: they don't, if they resigned Hitchens at cornerback, I mean,
Speaker 1: they don't have any veterans there, you know. And so
Speaker 1: I know we talk about Scandrick based off his attitude
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. It's like he's fine, you know,
Speaker 1: go on to Washington whatever. But I mean they don't
Speaker 1: have any experience there at that position. So that's a
Speaker 1: tough question. I mean, you can say anything you want, really,
Speaker 1: I mean, the first time we see signs of trouble
Speaker 1: at training camp, then you can be like that was
Speaker 1: the tough move. I mean, that's a really good question.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have a great answer. Here
Speaker 1: in early June. Yeah, I'm a I'm a little bit
Speaker 1: surprised none of you guys mentioned Jason Whitney. And I
Speaker 1: think it's more from a consistency standpoint that I would
Speaker 1: worry that he's a bigger loss because I don't personally
Speaker 1: feel like they are, and I shouldn't say it like that,
Speaker 1: but I think there are ways for them to not
Speaker 1: miss him as much as far as just play. I
Speaker 1: think hopefully this means that they'll have four wide receivers
Speaker 1: on the field more frequently. Hopefully this means that they
Speaker 1: maybe get they maybe get a little bit more athletic
Speaker 1: at the tight end position. I don't think they have
Speaker 1: a tight end on the squad right now who is
Speaker 1: more well rounded than Jason. But I think if they're
Speaker 1: smart and they know how to put people in right positions,
Speaker 1: they can probably make up for most of that. So
Speaker 1: that all being said, though, I'm still a little bit
Speaker 1: surprised that nobody mentioned you. I didn't say his name
Speaker 1: just because we knew he was close to his ending.
Speaker 1: You know, we knew it was approaching, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: like he was cut or sent to another team. He's
Speaker 1: not playing, he's not playing anymore. So that was a
Speaker 1: different perspective and point of view. But figure question, Honestly,
Speaker 1: that was probably the biggest surprise loss of the offseason.
Speaker 1: I know when we entered the office, Yeah, you tell
Speaker 1: me these four, which one is it is still gonna
Speaker 1: be here? Yeah, wouldn't would have been when I'd be like,
Speaker 1: of course weldn't still. No, it was definitely a surprise,
Speaker 1: and I am choosing to believe in June. Maybe I'll
Speaker 1: be wrong, but I want to believe that Witten leaving
Speaker 1: the team means that this is as different as the
Speaker 1: offense will look as it has in a while, Like
Speaker 1: more ten personnel, you know, running backs getting the ball
Speaker 1: more often, Tavon Austin having a role like that all
Speaker 1: intrigues me. And if they do it as well as
Speaker 1: I think they can, then I think it'll offset that
Speaker 1: loss pretty well. All right, let's go to the next question.
Speaker 1: Who was the greatest addition? Alan Hearns, Cameron Fleming, Tavon
Speaker 1: Austin or jahad Ward. Who was the second one? Uh?
Speaker 1: Cameron Fleming offensive lineman, the tackle we talked about from
Speaker 1: New England. I think I have to say him. I
Speaker 1: want to say Tavon Austin. I've talked enough about how
Speaker 1: I feel about that, but he I think that's huge
Speaker 1: a sp I mean not one hundred percent confident in
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith and so I mean, well, that could pay
Speaker 1: big dividends if they need him. It was the first
Speaker 1: guy um Alan hearns, hearns another good good question. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean especially Jahad word because you know all this
Speaker 1: stuff we talked about with Um, with David Irvingham, he
Speaker 1: and Malik getting hurt. I mean, he could come in
Speaker 1: and really be a difference maker. Um, I think I
Speaker 1: would go with I guess I'll go with Tavon, But
Speaker 1: I mean, we gotta, we gotta see if that if
Speaker 1: Lenahan and this offense is really gonna use him that way,
Speaker 1: if they use him like it sounds like it and
Speaker 1: all all his team think he's the fastest player on
Speaker 1: the team, then they need to use that. You use
Speaker 1: that and put the ball in his hands, I would say, flaming.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was a guy that when it happened,
Speaker 1: it legitimately, if that's the right word. I felt excitement
Speaker 1: for it, just because it's a guy that in a
Speaker 1: position in a need, a position, a guy that has experienced,
Speaker 1: that has been in the Super Bowl. You know, someone
Speaker 1: that you could rely on in a way. Now as
Speaker 1: far as Tavon, yeah, he a guy that everyone's excited
Speaker 1: about and there was a lot of hype and their
Speaker 1: speed there and ability and blah blah blah, but we
Speaker 1: still don't know how he's going to be utilized. So
Speaker 1: as of need and position, I would go with flaming.
Speaker 1: All right, So if I add an additional option there
Speaker 1: of Chris Richard, does that change your opinion on that answer? Coaching?
Speaker 1: That's tough? Not yet, yep. I mean he sounds sounds good,
Speaker 1: sounds the part. But first, you know, drive of the
Speaker 1: game in Carolina, we see a forty five yard pass
Speaker 1: interference penalty on Jordan Lewis because his head's not turned
Speaker 1: around right then, I mean it doesn't really matter. I
Speaker 1: mean you can say you can make that case for everybody,
Speaker 1: not to mention. I mean, Christopher Shard ain't stepping in
Speaker 1: for Tyren Smith if he can't play, like ultimately, that's
Speaker 1: what worries me. So okay, all right, final question. You
Speaker 1: imagine a coach and I got players I'm going in guys,
Speaker 1: I means it's true, he wears pretty impressive if a
Speaker 1: coach just jumped out there and just ran on the
Speaker 1: film and played in twenty fifteen when Matt Castle was
Speaker 1: out there and weedon, I mean, I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: Garrett couldn't just take the headset off and go out there.
Speaker 1: Very very valid point. All right, Final question, which rookie
Speaker 1: will have the biggest impact in twenty eighteen Layton Vanderesh,
Speaker 1: Connor Williams, Mike Michael Gallup or Daurance Armstrong. Feel free
Speaker 1: to throw in another rookie if you choose, so which
Speaker 1: one will have the biggest impact in two thousand and eighteen?
Speaker 1: Like White? Like White? I've been saying Connor since he
Speaker 1: was drafted. I'm gonna stick with that and then change
Speaker 1: after that conversation last night. No, okay, I mean you know,
Speaker 1: I don't expect him to be an all pro. I
Speaker 1: just expect him to be good. And I mean if
Speaker 1: he's not with the guys around him and where he
Speaker 1: was drafted, that's strange to me. And all again, he's
Speaker 1: the only rookie that I expect to play one hundred
Speaker 1: percent of the snaps so to finish. Ye, that's if
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the biggest impact. Then that's troublesome. Even
Speaker 1: even as a rookie, even if he's not an all
Speaker 1: pro right away like Zach, he's still I think he
Speaker 1: needs he will make an impact. I mean, he has
Speaker 1: to be the one that makes the biggest impact just
Speaker 1: because he's no, he's not rotating around with other guys,
Speaker 1: so he's getting more time of practice and more time
Speaker 1: of being on the field as opposed to these other
Speaker 1: guys that keep being rotated around and don't have as
Speaker 1: much time on the field. So, and I'm intrigued with Layton.
Speaker 1: We'll take him, take him out of the equation of him.
Speaker 1: If we think he's gonna start with about the other guys,
Speaker 1: then of those other things, I go with Armstrong. Really, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. I think Armstrong. Now he's gonna have to
Speaker 1: withstand the intense. You know, he's gonna be Marinelli's whipping me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just the flurry of it. But if he can
Speaker 1: get through, if he cannot be Ryan Russell right, and
Speaker 1: he can, he can overcome that, and he can learn
Speaker 1: from this. I think he's going to be the guy
Speaker 1: that comes in on third down and gets just a
Speaker 1: sneaky six or seven sacks this year, and which that
Speaker 1: would be great more than the thirty seven catches Gallops
Speaker 1: gonna give you. Well, you know, I'm glad. I'm glad
Speaker 1: you said that. This conversation off the air that we've
Speaker 1: had this week, this is my own personal bias. I
Speaker 1: do not expect Michael Gallop to crack the starting three,
Speaker 1: barring injury. I just I don't whether that's some of
Speaker 1: who you're starting three would be. I would assume it's
Speaker 1: Hearn's Beasley in Terrence when it's all said and done.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think those are the guys that get
Speaker 1: the majority of it. But I've talked to people here
Speaker 1: who know more than I do who They're like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's not week one, it'll be by
Speaker 1: week four, Gallops one of the starting three. Which if
Speaker 1: that's the case, then I'm not given this kid enough credit.
Speaker 1: And it's hard to really judge that based on mini camp.
Speaker 1: But that's something to watch at training camp. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're gonna you're gonna see the one on ones. You're
Speaker 1: gonna see you know, they do four or five team
Speaker 1: periods at a time, Like he's gonna have a chance
Speaker 1: to do it and if that's true, then like I'm
Speaker 1: not giving him enough credit right now, because if it's
Speaker 1: not Connor, then my answer would be vander Esh because
Speaker 1: I mean him and Jalen are both going to play
Speaker 1: a ton of snaps, and I think he's gonna be
Speaker 1: pretty good. So I'm honestly starting to think the same
Speaker 1: thing on Gallup. Like, I just think that when you
Speaker 1: look at the wide receiver position, I don't think there's
Speaker 1: a dominant player there right now. I don't think these
Speaker 1: veterans what we've seen of I don't think that the
Speaker 1: guys that we that the Cowboys have, other than maybe
Speaker 1: Cole who's had some moments of success, I think for
Speaker 1: you know, for the rest of those guys, I think
Speaker 1: when you look at him, I think they're gonna continue
Speaker 1: to be what they've been. And I think Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: poses an interesting difference. I think he probably is a
Speaker 1: better route runner, it's probably quicker, and I think that
Speaker 1: they're going to probably be able to utilize him in
Speaker 1: ways that maybe they I can't get from the other guys.
Speaker 1: Um I'll say just complete it's total snaps from the
Speaker 1: rookie class. I think first will be Connor Williams. The
Speaker 1: second will be Layton vanderesh Th. Total snaps will be
Speaker 1: Chris Covington. That's why I really yep, damn total snaps,
Speaker 1: special teams all the way, every position on special teams
Speaker 1: active every game. That's my prediction. Can I predict something
Speaker 1: on that. I actually don't think Layton van dersh is
Speaker 1: gonna have as many snaps as you think. The reason
Speaker 1: why I'm really starting and yeah, I understand that, I
Speaker 1: understand that, Pats. I just I think that I'm very
Speaker 1: optimistic about what he can be this year. And if
Speaker 1: he can be what a lot of people think he
Speaker 1: can be this year, then he and Sean are going
Speaker 1: to be out there most of the time. I've been
Speaker 1: here too long. I know you've been here too long.
Speaker 1: I know that you know who the owner is and
Speaker 1: the general manager. You know that the first round pick
Speaker 1: gets scrutinized if he's not on the field. He will
Speaker 1: be on the field. But let me see this. He
Speaker 1: also Jalen is one of his guys. That's a that's
Speaker 1: a pet, that's a pet project for Jerry, right, yea,
Speaker 1: So how do you make that distinction like he's a
Speaker 1: second round pick that they fought highly. They thought he
Speaker 1: was the first round pick. So I'm I'm with it.
Speaker 1: I've been beating this into the ground, but I believe it.
Speaker 1: Like you're helping Jayalen be the best version of himself
Speaker 1: by not worrying about that anyway. Like I mean, vander
Speaker 1: Esh's strength is supposedly his ability and coverage. Let him
Speaker 1: worry about that. I want Jalen Smith moving toward the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Sam Nickel, pass rusher, go get the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Do those types you're saying Nickell, keep three linebackers on
Speaker 1: the field and have him as a You could if
Speaker 1: you wanted to know BA you really don't go to
Speaker 1: Nickel bass like bass Sam, and then I mean you
Speaker 1: could maybe do that. I don't know. I think is
Speaker 1: that good of a coverage guy, then maybe you could,
Speaker 1: especially the eleven person, though I think it's way more.
Speaker 1: I mean, no, I don't think you would play three
Speaker 1: linebackers and Nickel. I think you would play Layton in
Speaker 1: most situations and played Jalen sometimes when it's a run
Speaker 1: situation or something, or or a pass rush situation something
Speaker 1: like that. I just I think Jalen's better off playing
Speaker 1: a smaller number of snaps that allow him to use
Speaker 1: his athleticism moving forward to make plays instead of just
Speaker 1: being like, hey, you're the mic, you got to do
Speaker 1: everything the mic does. I think that's how you wind
Speaker 1: up exposing him, right, So well we'll see though, that's
Speaker 1: what training came from. Also, I guess the other thing
Speaker 1: when I start thinking about it from Vanderesh to standpoint
Speaker 1: is that Vanderesh is a guy that hasn't had a
Speaker 1: ton of experience. I mean, he is a still a
Speaker 1: young player. Um he's he's a guy who had basically
Speaker 1: one year of real production in college. So he may
Speaker 1: not be ready for the prime time just yet. And
Speaker 1: I think I hope not, because because when you draft,
Speaker 1: when you draft the guy in nineteen, you're saying that
Speaker 1: he is that's a that's that's a that's not what
Speaker 1: I want to hear about a guy that was drafted nineteenth,
Speaker 1: Like he needs to be used to be ready. All right,
Speaker 1: Well we will see if not from Maryland in here Jay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you only need to see him in the first game
Speaker 1: of the year. But to that that's true. To that point,
Speaker 1: I mean, Jalen, everything they've put into him, he's thirty
Speaker 1: fourth overall pick. He's not that right, which just let
Speaker 1: them let the best man win, Like if Jalen's really
Speaker 1: if Jalen's ready to be the kid from Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: then nobody's gonna be that upset if Layton vander esh
Speaker 1: is limited on snap and but for the injury, he's
Speaker 1: a well better he's a much better prospect. And I
Speaker 1: know you can't always just completely divide those two, but
Speaker 1: all I'm saying is he was a much better prospect
Speaker 1: before that injury than Layton vander will work itself out.
Speaker 1: You've been going to have a linebacker controversy, like somebody
Speaker 1: will get like, it'll work itself out. They're all gonna play.
Speaker 1: You've been here too long to just hop so fullheartedly
Speaker 1: onto a hype train like that. Well you know was
Speaker 1: one for you, because I do. I do like to
Speaker 1: have like these kinds of things we can ride throughout
Speaker 1: training camp but throughout the season. So put me in
Speaker 1: the camp of Jalen Smith's gonna have a great season
Speaker 1: the ball, Pro Bowl. Get it out there, come on,
Speaker 1: do it yes, Oh, okay, Pro Bowl season for Jaln Smith.
Speaker 1: And so we can watch this the whole season and
Speaker 1: just know that's where I am. That all right, I'm
Speaker 1: all on to answer family few. Yeah, problems will get
Speaker 1: some break. Let's go house the time off for a
Speaker 1: little bit. We appreciate you guys rolling with us this
Speaker 1: whole offseason. We're gonna take a few weeks here to
Speaker 1: kind of catch our breaths. We'll be back on the
Speaker 1: air July twenty fifth. July twenty fourth, we'll head to
Speaker 1: training camp. From twenty fifth we start up our shows.
Speaker 1: We'll be doing daily shows from training camp and Oxnard, California.
Speaker 1: So till then. For Nick Eatman, David Hellman, Amber Garcia,
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