WEBVTT - Home Invasions w/ Kelli Giddish 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:08.799 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:23.560 These are our stories, done done. 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:30.479 Hello, welcome to That's Messed Up. I am one of 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:33.320 your hosts, Lieza Traeger and I'm Kara Klank. This is 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:35.800 an SVU podcast where we talk about Law and Order SVU. 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:38.320 We talk about the true crime the episode was based on, 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:42.120 and then we interview a person from the show and Wow, 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:45.560 today a huge one, A huge one. You guys are 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:47.760 going to have to listen to some of you don't 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:49.760 get spoiled and want to just wait till the end, 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:51.319 but you're gonna have to listen to like an hour 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:53.279 and a half of recapping and crime before you get 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:54.920 to the big one, which is. 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:58.360 Our guest today. But now we do a little check 0:00:58.400 --> 0:00:58.880 in chat. 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:01.720 It's huge, huge. Our podcast is so cool. 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:04.920 I don't know what Last week we were chatting about 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:07.080 resolutions and we didn't think of one. But now as 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:10.080 I grip my cell phone, my goal was I'll say 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.560 it right now, because it's before the holiday. 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:14.200 Break manifest manifest. 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.120 I want to take Instagram off my phone all of 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:17.040 Christmas break. 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:18.160 Wow. 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:20.240 I want to read a book. I want to hang 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.520 out with my family. I want to be creative, write 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:25.319 new jokes, work on sets. Maybe I'll write a movie. 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:29.600 I waste eight hours a day on my phone minimum. 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:33.320 I wish I wasn't exaggerating. It's like truly, because I 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.399 remember watching Ingrid Goes West being like, oh my god, 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.720 what a looney bin. Like I can't believe her character 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.000 can't even be on a toilet or brush her teeth 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:41.680 without her phone. 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:43.880 And I'm on my phone all the time. 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:46.720 I can't stop, and I don't want to completely shut 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:47.760 it off forever and ever. 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:48.840 I don't have anything to prove. 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:52.919 And I love Instagram, but we'll see next week, We'll 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:56.800 catch up. But my dues while I'm home in Skochie, 0:01:57.800 --> 0:01:58.920 maybe even in New York. 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.440 I want to get the fun go off my phone. Yeah, 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:03.640 of it. I wish I could also do like a. 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:08.000 I don't know I could control the screen time controls 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:09.680 that like tell me to get off or whatever, but 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:11.360 I just I don't know. 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:12.760 I'm on and off. 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:15.240 But I do wish the time I spent scrolling, like 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:17.040 at night, even if it's ten minutes before bad that 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:18.160 I was reading a book instead. 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:19.680 Yeah, and I should just do that. 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.400 So I think that's like maybe a real So we'll 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.079 see if I accomplish that on Christmas when we meet 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:29.880 up and around New Year's and then if not, I 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.359 hope I just work on my phone stuff this year. 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:35.440 I think I forgot that that is ruining my life. 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.880 So yeah, did you think I might have said weed, 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:39.800 I'm never stopping. 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:41.240 I don't know what anyone says. 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:43.880 But it also does provide us, like you have such 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:46.040 a wealth of knowledge of random crap from the internet 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:48.040 that does provide us a lot of the fodder for 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.160 our intros on our podcast. 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.200 Well yeah, because my good friend Frek, she was just like, girl, 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.640 you don't need to make declarations, Like even if you 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:59.119 take Instagram off your phone for two hours, that's probably 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.040 more time and you ever stay off of it. And 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:04.120 so it is a thing where like, I'm such an 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.800 extreme person and that's why I flop when I try 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.120 to make changes in my life because I'm all or 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:12.040 nothing and I don't know how to just find balance. 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.320 And that was a reminder where it's like, oh yeah, 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.120 I could just like take it off for one night 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:17.400 while I'm watching a movie, you know. 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:20.560 Yeah like that. There's also like some kind of. 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:25.720 App that my friend uses, you know her too, that 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:28.240 is like you can just set it to these hours. 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:29.839 I don't use any social media, and they like won't 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.080 let you on these places for just like for whatever 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:33.919 hours you set it as you know, so then you 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.120 don't have to do all that to uninstalling and reinstalling, 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:36.760 you know what I mean? 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:39.160 Okay, yes, and that I also want to get on 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:42.040 rocket money, red Rocket something like that. Not red Rocket, 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.480 that's like a dog dick, I think, but I think 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:48.360 it's Rocket Money. What's that it's I heard it. It 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.080 was one of Tricksy and Katya's many ads on their podcast. 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.600 It basically, well, here two organize this. You don't need this. 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.400 It shows you all the subscriptions you have. Oh yes, 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:00.600 I hear them talking about that. Yeah, ye, and that 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.280 because I know I have some I know I've signed 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:05.960 up for some stuff that's out there, and it kind 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.160 of just helps you right away delete everything and like 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:12.080 get your money sorted. Yeah, and so maybe that's a 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:15.119 goal for me as well. But yeah, it's still it's 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:16.160 the tenth though. 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.800 Like yeah, It's okay, everybody, Just yeah. 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And we'd love to see you guys. 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.400 Our live shows are really fucking fun, and you guys 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:55.560 are half of what makes that fun. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:56.960 And I would say we're the other half and the 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.080 not shows on your table or the third half. 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.640 Yeah, and the the nachos are the fifth character INSECX 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:02.159 and the City. 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:06.080 And hopefully by next episode, Caara has watched White Lotus. 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:08.440 I will. That's my fucking resolution. 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:10.800 If I don't watch White Lotus by the time like 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.160 we record our next episode, I'm gonna I don't know 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:14.680 what I'm gonna do. 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:15.640 It's making me crazy. 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.000 Oh you know what, we haven't talked about that. I 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:21.680 would love to hear about picking up the Christmas tree 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:23.440 with the kids. I mean, we'll have to like catch 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:27.080 up on what happened over the holidays later. But yeah, 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.279 how was picking up the tree? How was going to 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:30.719 the gardens for the lighting? 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:30.919 Like? 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:32.159 How is that? 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.160 It was so cute, Like we had a cute little day. 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.400 We went and picked out a tree. We get a 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.760 real tree because I love a real tree. I love 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:42.320 the movie It's makes my house smell. And Rosie picked 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:44.120 out one that was crazy, and I go, okay, we'll 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:45.760 get that one. And then we got a different one. 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:48.000 And because you know, she can't tell once it's strapped 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.120 to the top of the car, what was crazy about it? 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.560 All the branches were super floppy. It was like a 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:54.640 weird green color. I was like, of course you want 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:58.000 this one. You're so like the off the wall. So 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.560 like I just was like, yeah, sure, well that one, 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:02.320 and then that's not the one we got. But then 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:04.280 she actually this was the first year, she's three and 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.039 a half. This is the first year she really like 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:10.000 helped me string the lights hung ornaments herself and Oscar, 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.080 I will say, was psychotic the first day, knocking everything 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:15.000 off the tree. And now he's really like we go, 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.400 no tree, and he's really stopped. He's really holding himself back, 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:21.280 and I really appreciate that. I'm like obsessed with Oscar 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.080 right now. I love that Oscar as a cat. Yeah 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:26.360 he is, He's a full cat. I'm really obsessed with 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:28.560 him right now. He's talking so much, he's repeating so 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:30.680 many things. He's so smiley, he runs around. He can 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:32.840 like really communicate with us right now, and he's like 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.599 just melting my little heart every day. But we took 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:40.120 them to the lights. Discancer Gardens is this place in 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.680 LA that has like botanical gardens kind of and they 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.200 do this huge like light display thing. It's at night. 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:48.039 It's called Enchanted. It's very beautiful, and we took them. 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:49.800 A lot of my friends go and just like take 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.080 mushrooms and walk around. It's like really cool to go 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:54.080 without kids too. But then we take kids at five 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.840 point thirty and you can get a drink and walk 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:58.440 around with a glass of wine or like they have 0:06:58.520 --> 0:06:59.559 these like spiced mules. 0:06:59.560 --> 0:06:59.800 Talks. 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.520 Still have not brought me there. Once you both have 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.840 like a yearly membership, and not once have I been 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:06.080 brought to the gardens. 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.359 I'll take you, but you gotta come to the nighttime 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:10.640 stuff is fun. The daytime. It's like, I don't know, 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:12.120 what are you gonna like, come look at turtles with 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.360 us and our kids. Maybe you want to You're wrocome 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:14.840 many time. 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.520 I do love turtles, but I know I want to 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.400 do the nighttime win Enchanted. 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.400 Yes, okay, next year, you're coming to Enchanted with us. Okay, 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:26.400 But I thought Oscar would just say in his seat 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:28.560 he was obsessed. He was because there's all this stuff 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:30.680 where you can like step on lights and they change colors, 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.360 and he was going fucking nuts. I swear to God, 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.280 that place is miles wide. He walked the entire thing himself, 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.800 like pumped. He went into a huge group of elderly 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:43.240 people and went hi, and they all started laughing, and 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:47.560 that scared him and so he started crying. It was 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:51.360 like a really funny day, but you know, just fun 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:55.080 little Christmas things with my kids. And now that this 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:56.920 is right before Christmas, you know, guys know we're on 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:58.560 the time machine, as we always are. This is right 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:00.640 before Christmas, and now I'm finally gonna next week to 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.200 like figure out, you know what Santa's bringing my children, 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:04.040 and we'll see. 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:06.920 Rosie wants a gun that shoots toys. 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.000 Does anyone know what that means? I think it's a 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.240 NERF gun, but I can't be sure. Maybe just get 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:15.920 her a T shirt cannon or something. No, like, maybe 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:19.000 just get her a T shirt cannon, a T shirt 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:19.920 cannon for kids. 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.800 I can't, Well, because you're not into guns. You're not 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:26.560 into guns, So I'm trying to, like exactly, I'm trying to, like, 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:28.040 maybe a cannon. 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.280 She also doesn't need to get exactly what she asks for, 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:32.840 exactly exactly. 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:34.680 She's asking for a lot of wild stuff, and she 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.400 says Santa can make anything. She did yell at me 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.040 because I said, oh, I hope Santa can find that, 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.280 and she goes Santa makes all the stuff, like what 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:43.839 are you talking about? Like, I love she talks to 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:45.199 me like I'm an idiot all the time, and it's 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:49.160 really funny. I bet it'll be funny for approximately six 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:53.479 more months and that he'lp you like stop it, but yeah, 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:54.600 what else is well? 0:08:54.679 --> 0:09:00.200 You also posted this meme about however, like how people 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:01.880 are always like, oh, you don't know how terrible it 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:06.520 it has to have kids, But then no one ever preps. 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.000 You for all the great things. Yeah, I put if 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:09.880 that is true. 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:11.920 Because isn't the whole thing where people are too like 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:13.800 it's the best, it's the best, and then you have 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:15.360 a kid and you're like, why did no one warn 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:16.400 me about this stuff? 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:18.400 And that's what I thought the reality was. 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.120 So I was interested in that meme of like or 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.280 the good things just better than you anticipated. 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:25.280 Well, let me clarify because this is a quote from 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:29.160 Rob Delaney. He's a famous comedian actor and he wrote 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.000 a book. He's had the loss of a child in 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.280 his life, and he wrote this book called A Heart 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.240 That Works. He is a stand up comedian actor, very 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:38.640 funny guy, and he's had the loss of a child 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:40.440 but has other children as well and just talks about 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:42.920 parenthood and stuff and I think that whole situation is life. 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:43.880 And he posted this. 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.440 Someone posted this quote from a thing that said, you know, 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:48.800 he says whenever he meets people that are having babies, 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:50.840 he says, or they're about to have it of their 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.400 first kid, and they say, I'm nervous. He goes you've 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.120 got this. I'm so happy for you. You're prepared for 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:57.720 all the bad stuff. You know what it's like to 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:59.000 be tired, you know what it's like to be in 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.160 physical pain, you know what it's like to worry about money. 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:05.160 What nobody prepares you for is how wonderful it can be. Like, 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:09.080 and that's I'm misquoting it. You have to the quotes 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:12.240 out there somewhere, But I do think that's true. I 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:13.960 feel like it opens your heart up in a way 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.400 that you just haven't felt before. But I also think 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:18.640 that how hard it is is downplayed for a lot 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:22.080 of people, Like because you're right too, you know you're 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:25.240 right too. Like there's definitely times where I'm like wow, 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.560 Like I just didn't realize this was going to fucking 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.120 change my life so much. You honestly can't be prepared 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:31.520 for how much it's going to change your life. But 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.640 I do think that it really resonated with me, like wow, 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:36.600 Like sometimes I just like look at them and I 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:38.120 just love them so much, and I'm like, Wow, I 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:39.520 just didn't know I had that in me. 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:42.960 You know, Yeah, this is such a left turn, but 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:46.120 I opened for Rob Delaney years and years and years 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.720 ago in Milwaukee at Turner Hall, and it was like 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:52.280 a really exciting thing. I drove up from Chicago. It 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.560 was like a big It was like it's a thousand 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:56.440 seats or something like that or eight high. Like it 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:58.400 was like a big deal for me. And I had 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:00.040 opened for a few people there, but it was a 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.320 really cool venue. And as I walk out, I don't 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:05.520 know if I've told you this before, everyone was chanting 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:08.520 Rob Rob Rob, and then they saw me and they 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:11.640 all started to boo. And so I walked out to 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:14.920 like a thousand people fully booing me. 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:17.760 Shut the fuck up. 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.679 Yeah, what's wrong with that audience? 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.200 They wanted rob baby? I don't know. 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.760 I also think people are mob mentality people. And one 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:32.040 guy fucking started booing and everybody followed like, yeah, that's 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.280 so crazy, And I'm sorry that's your memory of him. 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:35.920 I mean, no, he was great. 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.920 We talked about Wicked, we talked about life. I mean, 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:41.679 he was so nice backstage. I have no notes for 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.640 him as a human backstage, and after the show, he 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:46.880 stood in the back and met every single person at. 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:48.920 That show and said, hey, if you don't mind, would 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:50.960 you please boom my opener On the way out, and 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:51.840 that's what happened. 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.400 And I think I said something like, can you guys 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:56.920 just like let me do my jokes at least, or 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.520 like I said something like but in my yeah. But 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.440 that's what's so great about comedy is you do get 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.840 humbled yea often constantly. 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:08.960 You can't feel too good about yourself for too long, 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:10.400 the scales will rebalance. 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:13.839 It's really good. No, I have nothing bad to say 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:18.840 about him, and you know what a loss. And I'm 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.320 not glad. It is positive or good that he was 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:26.440 able to write this book and hopefully help people that 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:28.040 need to read something like this. 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.600 I think he has like a lot of beautiful insights 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:33.120 about this and like also somebody being a comedian, like 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.040 I definitely think sometimes he poststuff and I just like 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.120 start crying looking at his Instagram because I can't imagine 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.280 what he's gone through, like his I don't know what 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:43.880 it is about him, but there's something about because I've 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.160 I've met him and I followed all his work for 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.680 a long time, and like there's just something about like 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:50.760 I don't know if I can read the book. 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:52.080 I truly don't know if I can read the book. 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:53.680 I think it might be too hard for me, But 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:55.880 that quote, I don't know, it's spoke to me for 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.080 a second, and I posted it and people have been 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.840 agreeing with me. Some people are and like I said it, 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.559 I'm like, it's clearly a repost not only not my Instagram, 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:09.560 but it's also someone else's quote. But yeah, what do 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.000 you think? Should we get rolling into today's episode? It's 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.240 such a jumbo one and it's so good and I 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:16.040 don't want to wait any longer before you guys see 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:17.200 our big surprise guest. 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:18.400 At the end. Yeah, let's do it. 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:26.360 Let's go, all right, So tonight we're doing Home Invasions, 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:32.000 Season thirteen, Episode fourteen. Now we open up on the 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:37.800 IANBGHD Sports Network and it's New York versus Alabama. They 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.200 couldn't be at least a little realistic with this. What 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:42.800 does E NBG even stand for? Not a sport in 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.320 the name? Maybe basketball, but what's the G? Like, I 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:48.640 don't know, college, Like I'm trying to figure out this 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.760 network and the like when New York would play Alabama? 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:55.559 Ever, like NYU doesn't do sports? What is this? What 0:13:55.720 --> 0:14:00.720 is this? Yeah? College? Yeah in Alabama? You're right, that's 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:01.199 so weird. 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.720 It's so weird and I just am so curious what 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:06.920 the network stands for. If you guys have any ideas, 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:09.800 please write us and let us know what e MBG 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:15.200 could be. For college university, I can't not even one. 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.960 Word is popping out because the basketball would be yeah, 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.920 because like NYU, they don't have any sports. I don't know, 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:22.080 but they're not good. I mean they're not. 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.200 They would they would never be televised, right, No, maybe 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.840 they would be, but like I just feel Alabama called. 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:30.600 They don't have a professional sports team, so college is 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.640 all they have. So even if they're not like a 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.920 popular state or something like, people go there to play sports. 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:37.360 Yeah. 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.640 I don't think Columbia plays. Colombia has sports, but they 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:44.320 don't play like televised I don't think anyway. No, they're 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:48.040 probably playing the other dork IVY leagues or whatever playing. 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:50.160 Well, that's why Northwestern is bad. 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:54.359 I someone told me that they don't give athletic scholarships 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:57.240 without academic grades, like you have to be super smart. 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:00.000 Oh yeah, and so that's why they are not that good. 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.760 I think, yeah, because like one of the biggest morons 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.160 of my school went to Columbia for football, and I 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:06.960 was like how are you going to an ivyleague school? 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:08.320 Like you can barely string a sentence. 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:10.600 I mean, I'm not trying to be judgmental, but it 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.120 is really hard, I think, to be an amazing academic 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.920 athlete and be an athlete athlete. It's like our when 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.160 do you find the time as a high school kid? 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.320 So whatever, that's of course, we do a five minute 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:24.920 intro on this sports network that's not even fucking real, 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:28.120 so you're like, who's watching TV? It's a man drinking 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.480 beer in sweatpants. Next to Tim is a young teen 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:34.240 and she was also an episode Bombshell where her dad 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.480 is in love with Rose McGowan, who's actually in love 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:37.520 with her own twin brother. 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.480 So that is who she is. 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:45.080 Lisa's obsessed with her straight across eyebrows, and when we've 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.560 talked about Bombshell and live shows, she's always like, just 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:49.040 calls her straight across eyebrows. 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:52.760 Her eyebrows are so of this era. We were all. 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:56.360 Guilty of overplucking, taking out arches to just set her 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:56.920 a six. 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:59.000 She's just a victim of her time. 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:01.560 Her real name is Lauren Kelly and she quit acting 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:05.160 in twenty thirteen, so hope she's well. A mom in 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.880 blonde highlights with a Rachel type haircut is in the 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.760 living room too, but she's using a chair and then 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.440 the ottoman as a desk Manila envelopes her out. 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:14.160 She's working. 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:16.360 The teen is over the game and she gets up 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.240 to go study, and her dad won't let her study. 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.160 A truly Homer Simpson like, you're my good luck charm, 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.960 and he forces her back down onto the couch. The 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.520 doorbell rings and he's stuffing his face with snacks and 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:29.600 beer and he tells his wife, like, go open the door, 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.080 and before he can even say the rest, she goes, yeah, yeah, 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:33.680 two minutes left in the game. 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:35.080 So she gets up in. 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.280 Her dress shirt and belt in the home, like, babe, 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:38.160 put on a sweatpant. 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:41.320 What are we doing? What are we doing? I don't 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:41.960 want to relax? 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:46.160 Yeah uh uh oh okay, I'll even like suspend my 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.040 disbelief that you're wearing denim in the house but with 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:49.960 a belt. 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:52.440 I just don't understand. 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.080 So she grabs her wallet and walks up to the door, 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:57.960 expecting the Chinese food they order to be there, but 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:01.200 instead it's a man in a classic bad guy ski 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.600 mask Boom boom, he shoots her twice. Fuck, So we 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.679 cut straight tomorrow Rollins discussing what they're gonna eat. So 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:12.359 they're also debating Chinese or Italian. And I think they're 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:14.480 like on and off in this episode. You know, they're 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:18.080 like in fucking vibes. I feel like, yeah, or too early. 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:18.400 I don't. 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:20.160 I think it might be too early because I don't think. 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.320 I don't think that they do anything until he's fully 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.639 separated from Maria. But to get an idea of the 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:29.439 Rowlins tomorrow timeline because it feels weird. But I remember 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:31.480 like rooting for them, Well, they're both hot. 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:31.960 Why not. 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:34.000 Yeah, I was like, they should get together. They're cute, 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:35.879 they get the job, like I don't know, well. 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:36.800 And they're both annoying. 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.479 We were both anti that this was like, yeah, season 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:43.480 thirteen is rough because Maloney had just left and I 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:46.080 don't think we were ready to usher in the new squad. 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:48.960 Like at the end of the day, I gave it 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:50.960 up for a few years then had to come back 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:54.000 and because I couldn't. But this is a this is 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:56.800 a trying time for SVU fans, and so they were 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.959 both annoying. They both broke rules, they both seemed kind 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:04.080 kind of selfish and slutty and batabang bata boom as 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.119 they say, So Craigan stops them from leaving. They're not 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:10.960 gonna have Chinese or Italian. Because there's a shooting in Yorkville. 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:13.920 Two fatalities confirmed, so too who survived. 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.000 We'll find out. Rollins is like, okay, but why. 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:20.240 Is SVU going This is just a shooting And it's 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.840 because it's the home of Joan Eckhouse, who is chief 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.800 counsel for the New York Gay Rights Coalition, and Live 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:27.480 and Finn are going to meet them on the scene. 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:31.240 The mom is dead, liv says, messy crime scene while 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:33.960 walking past the dead mom, and Amaro said, the delivery 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:36.640 guys saw them and called it in. There's no force entry, 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.800 no sign of robbery, nothing. So then the killer moved 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:41.920 into the living room to the husband and daughter before 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:44.600 they could react. The dad is killed and there's like 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:47.399 loose popcorn stuck to the blood around him. It's like 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.840 a really messy crime scene, as Olivia said. And then 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.919 the daughter, fourteen Emmy, is in surgery with a bullet 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.439 in her head, so we're hoping that she makes it. 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:58.160 A tech hands tomorrow. 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.840 I think like shells or bullets or something in a 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:03.280 bag and they found them in the wall, and she goes, 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:06.960 good luck finding down finding out what happened, so she 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:11.800 thinks it's like a complicated situation as well. Amaro recognizes 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:15.119 the bullet and says it's a Winchester three five seven sig. 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:17.640 Does that mean anything to you? 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:17.880 No? 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:21.040 No, yeah, but he says it's one way to send 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:21.720 a message. 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:23.400 Then we see Live on the wall. 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:27.440 Behind Live, there's spray patent on the wall queers in 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:30.920 black with a line through it, and Benson's like, I've 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:33.359 seen my share of hate crimes, but execution of a 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:39.040 whole family that's a extreme. And Rollins is with her 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:41.240 best friend, Finn, with a teen boy and his dad 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:43.040 and they run up to the house because they heard 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:46.200 sirens and they're because everyone okay, and it's Emmy's boyfriend. 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:48.320 He wants to know what happened. They say, Emmy's at 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.240 the hospital. He turns and goes, are you happy now, dad? 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.920 It's all your fault. So Rollins and Finn look confused 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.359 as the sun runs off and the dad follows his son, 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:00.000 and we're at the credits with a nice little cliff 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.400 hanger up there. So we're back at the crime scene 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:04.800 as people are carrying out the bodies, and the boyfriend's 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:07.960 telling Rollins and Benson how Emmy was supposed to come over. 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:13.680 Emmy sounds like Emmy Melinda Warner like kind of hard 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:14.120 or not. 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.400 Was supposed to go study with her teen boyfriend and 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:19.760 her his dad said Noah. 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:22.840 So Emmy was supposed to go come over and study. 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:25.280 The dad made him cancel. He's like, I hate that 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:27.800 I was grounded, but my dad loves teaching me a 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:28.960 lesson all the time. 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:30.000 Oh, it is a lesson. 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:33.280 And he says that Emmy comes over off in his study, 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:35.119 but his father saw her as a distraction. 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:36.560 And they've been together eight months. 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:40.200 They weren't fucking because Emmy took the abstinence pledge. And 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.479 it's like, well, did you, sir, did you take an 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:44.959 abstinence pledge or did only the girls have to do that? 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:48.200 So the dad's talking to Finn and Rollins and says 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:50.880 he knew the dad's Sydney, but not the mom because 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:54.959 Joan was always working on her gay thing. They asked 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:57.760 how the dad felt about the teens dating. He says 0:20:57.760 --> 0:20:59.320 they were on the same page that the kids were 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:01.959 way too intense, and he said a month ago there 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.040 was a cop car parked outside their apartment, but he 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:06.280 has no idea why, and like he really got no 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:09.200 information about it. So they have no info. So we 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:12.159 head to the gay rights coalition. They're talking to a 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:14.480 woman in the office about how her and Joan were 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:17.360 working towards the gay marriage bill and so they got 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.639 lots of hate mail and threats, and there's a record 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:24.040 of threats she'll gladly hand over. But Tomorrow's looking at 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:26.320 all the frame photos in the office taking it in. 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:29.800 When the coworker, like you know, starts off again giving 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.640 more information, She's like, she was super spooked last month. 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:36.160 They had a lot of calls, hang ups, and they 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:38.399 felt like a car was following her. An Emmy and 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:40.399 Benson asks if that's why the police were there a 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:42.800 month ago, and the lady's like, no, Joan didn't tell 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:45.440 me about that. And then Tomorrow actually pops in after 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:47.520 taking in all the photos and is like, wait, you're 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:50.640 the public face of it, this organization. It seems like 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:52.960 all the press, all these photos are you. Why would 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:55.720 they attack Joan? She starts to cry and she says 0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:58.280 it's probably to get to me, okay, self centered, and 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:04.480 then admits that her and Joan were involved. Ah done done, 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:06.719 and they're like, okay, who would have been jealous? And 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:08.399 she says, no, no, no, she was the love of 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:10.800 my life. We were just waiting for Emmy to get 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:12.800 a little bit older, to leave Sydney and then we 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:14.919 were gonna get married. And she cries and drops her 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:17.560 head in her hand. And this is like such like 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:21.399 confusing teaching. And I know, olden times, they just didn't 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:25.520 know stuff olden times aka Season thirteen. But why do 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:29.040 people why do parents think their kids would rather parents 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:31.320 fight and hate each other and have no physical affection 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:34.840 and live separate lives, Like why do parents think that's better? 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:37.400 I know, the whole staying together for the kids thing 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:40.000 is wild to me. Like I had a friend who 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:42.439 I had to like counsel about this when I was 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:44.679 like twenty eight and like had not even had kids, 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:46.560 and he was like, I just like my wife and 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:49.040 I don't get along, we never have sex, we hate 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:51.359 each other basically, and they had three kids, and I 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:52.639 was like, so, why don't you bray he's like the 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:54.480 kids and I'm like, do you think this is a 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:56.720 good way to show your kids what marriage looks like? 0:22:57.440 --> 0:22:59.320 I just don't get it. But I know it's more 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:01.880 complicated than that. I know there's like finances and other 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:05.480 things that have to be considered and living situations. 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:09.160 But I just it's just not better. You're just setting 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:11.560 up bad examples and then your kids are gonna stay 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:15.400 in bad I just like, Emmy's a teen and it's 0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:18.840 I just I really don't get it. But yeah, the finances. 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:22.520 I didn't think about the finances, but it seems like 0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:23.359 she had the money. 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:24.520 No. 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:26.639 Yeah, I'm just saying in general, when we talk about this, 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:28.800 in general, it's not always easy to just be like, yep, 0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:30.240 let's walk out and end it. You know. 0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:32.359 I'm sure there's like more complicated things. 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:35.360 Yeah, but when people are like, well, we just don't 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:37.760 like each other at all and we're just staying together 0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:39.320 for the kids, and like, I don't get that, Like 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:41.760 that seems like your whole family life is based on 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:42.280 a charade. 0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:45.160 But well yeah, and it's just like you only have there. 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:48.280 Kat Cohen has like a funny lyric or line in 0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:50.680 one of her shows where she goes, am I gonna 0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:53.800 spend my one like good life to live, being mad 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:56.160 at my arm fat or something like that, where it's 0:23:56.200 --> 0:23:58.080 just like you have one life, like what are you 0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:01.199 doing wasting? But okay, at least she's getting fucked on 0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:05.440 the side by this woman. So anyways, then comes in 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:09.520 Isaiah Whitlock. I can't believe it, and he's the guy 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:13.760 that goes she and he is walking and talking with 0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:15.800 Rollins and Finn saying how this is going to fuck 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:18.720 up their stats. So I'm assuming he's homicide and Finn 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:21.240 is like, let's get it done, and he says that 0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:23.760 SVU will have the lead and they'll help it anyway 0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:26.360 they can. But when Rollin says they want to talk 0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:28.760 to Martinez and Parker, He's like, why, what do you 0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:30.280 want with them? And Finn's like, well, they get went 0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:31.919 to the eck Cart house about a month ago and 0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:34.240 we need scoop. He's like, well, those two are not 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:36.880 in my department anymore. They were moonlighting for a bookie, 0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:39.239 so we can't have that, and we let them go. 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:41.560 Their boxes are on the desk. They didn't even come 0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:42.239 back for it. 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:45.119 We cut to Craigan with Benson and Tomorrow asking if 0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:48.359 there are any updates on the girl's condition. Benson says, 0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:50.919 the bullet is removed and she's in a drug induced 0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:52.920 coma right now, but they're not going to know how 0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:55.399 she is until the swelling goes down, and they're like, 0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:58.040 what about boyfriend and dad. Benson responds to Craigan that 0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:00.760 these kids seems super in love, but the dads were 0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:03.040 not for it, and they looked through the emails between 0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:06.480 the fathers to confirm those feelings. So Craigan then asks 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:09.159 what about the coalition threatless And they're like it's all 0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:12.240 anonymous hate mail and phone calls, and Craigan's like, yeah, 0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:14.359 that's a huge jump from like you're a dumb bitch 0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:19.040 to executing a full family. Amorro says that Jones's partner 0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:21.440 did tell her that she thought someone was stalking her, 0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:24.200 so Craigan asks to like, is anyone jealous of the affair. 0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:27.080 They're like no, no, no, they were really fucking discreet. So 0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:29.840 Rollins then finally is like, maybe I found something. 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:30.560 Okay. 0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:34.119 There's a report responding to the eck House residence. It 0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:38.399 was a domestic employee incident where a housekeeper, Carmen Vesquez, 0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:41.520 claimed that Sydney had assaulted her and he told the 0:25:41.560 --> 0:25:43.720 officer that she had been stealing jewelry. 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:45.960 Amarro's like, I don't think this. 0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:48.879 Housekeeper is just going to like cap everyone in the house, 0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:52.520 Like this is not I don't understand. So Finn's like, yeah, 0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:54.720 but her brothers just got out six months after doing 0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:58.119 four years for armed robbery and assault. So Finn and 0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:00.080 Rollins go back to the carts to take ca a 0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:02.000 log of valuables and see if the brother could have 0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:04.840 been tipped off by the housekeeper and like stolen stuff. 0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:06.760 And tomorrow and Benson are going to go visit the 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:09.920 Vesquez family. And who is it? It's Orange is the 0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:12.480 New Black Star Elizabeth Rodriguez who plays how do you 0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:13.040 say this name? 0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:15.080 Alaida? I think is how you said her name in 0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:15.400 the show. 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:21.000 Yeah, and she plays Alida Diaz who's Dya's mom and 0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:24.520 Diya's the one who gets pregnant with porn stash and 0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:29.840 ends up becoming a cold hearted bitch and yeah, but 0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:33.199 so Alida is amazing, and she has an extensive resume, 0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:35.960 and she's been working for a very long time and 0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:39.200 she's great in this episode and she's like we've been 0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:42.159 praying for her how is Emmy. She's like she was 0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:44.120 a daughter to me. I've been taking care of her 0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:47.359 since I was two months old, so you know, since 0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:50.000 she was two months old? Yeah, yeah, what did I say? 0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:57.879 Since I was two months old? An amazing baby. But 0:26:57.920 --> 0:27:02.120 they bring up her departure and she was just like, yay, 0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:05.360 I left because Emmy had school and plans and activities 0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:08.600 and I needed more money in ours. And Amara was like, babe, honey, 0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:10.360 are you sure it didn't have to do with the police, 0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:13.160 And she snaps in an instant and is pissed off. 0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:14.600 It's like, I never stole any jewelry. 0:27:14.600 --> 0:27:17.399 I would never, and Benson is being a little passive 0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:19.960 aggressive and he's like, well, nobody said that you did, 0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:22.919 and she's like, well, Sydney said I did, but he 0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:26.199 was fucking lying. Joan had a benefit and she couldn't 0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:27.919 find her earrings and she's like, I was there for 0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:28.720 fourteen years. 0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:31.359 And he gets into trouble and he blames me, and. 0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:34.320 She's like, and the cop took his side and I 0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:36.280 had to keep my mouth shut. And Benson's like, slow down, 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:38.439 so on what kind of trouble And she's like, he 0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:41.080 pawned those fucking earrings himself. He was a gambler and 0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:44.320 owed big and sold off his autograph baseball cards already 0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:47.800 and his watch. And they're like, Joan didn't know about 0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:50.000 any of this, and she's like, you know, they lived together, 0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:52.679 but they lived apart. And Benson says, I'm sorry, but 0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:54.600 we have to ask you where were you Friday? And 0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:57.240 she said Bible study, like most people are, you know, 0:27:57.320 --> 0:27:58.080 on Friday nights. 0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:01.560 And they were like, well, what about your brother? 0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:04.679 And he actually leads the sessions and he turned his 0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:07.879 life around. He found God. And so it cuts to 0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:11.240 a little dinky church. It has nice wooden flowers but 0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:15.440 haphazard curtains. This is like this is a makeshift church, 0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:17.920 I would say. And he's leading a prayer for Emmy 0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:21.120 and he loves Emmy and he's a very aggressive, prey 0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:24.320 guy like he is. He's very Mary Cosby Salt Lake City, 0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:29.240 if you guys are followers of that, and he clocks 0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:30.480 the cops, he nods at them. 0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:31.240 He knows what's up. 0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:34.040 So he's like, let me finish the song, well, we'll 0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:36.440 talk later, and he knows why they're there, and he's 0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:39.960 glad someone's fighting for Emmy since she's an angel. He says, 0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:42.600 you know, he was on Bible study with six other 0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:46.120 members of the congregation and they can all vouch for him. 0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:48.640 And he's like a lot of them have records too, though, 0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:49.320 but we're all on. 0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:51.680 A righteous path. And this is the thing. 0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:54.800 I think mega churches are like fucking gross obviously, but 0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:57.280 this shitty church too. It's like I don't trust, Like, 0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:00.280 if God liked you, like, would you have a better church? 0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:05.800 Like what's worse a shitty church or a megachurch? Probably 0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:07.160 a mega church is worse. 0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:10.719 Yeah, because they're taking the money to like I don't know. 0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:13.480 I'm sure a shitty church is like putting the money 0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:14.080 to good use. 0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:16.360 Yeah, to the electric bill. 0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:20.400 I don't know if they have any oversight, I mean 0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:24.520 any what is it profit at the end? Yeah, I 0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:26.760 think megachurches are worse. But it's like I want a 0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:31.480 nice church, but simple design. Like I don't know Benson's life, 0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:34.920 but I just like, as a follower, i'd be like, yeah, weird. 0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:37.720 I wonder why my leader can't get it together. Okay, 0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:41.400 So Benson goes, I'm glad you're all being good. You 0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:43.600 do have to name names, and he said, anything for 0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:46.600 that girl that's my angel, and they asked when he 0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:47.040 met Emmy. 0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:47.800 He goes, meet her. 0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:49.600 I've known her since she was a baby. I taught 0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.200 her how to ride a bike. So they were very 0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:54.760 close with the family before the arrest. And he says, 0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:58.360 and after Emmy wrote me and would visit me, people 0:29:58.400 --> 0:30:01.080 desert you after you go away by not her, And 0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:02.760 they're like, well, did she ever tell you about her 0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:05.360 home life? And he goes, oh, the father, that man 0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:08.320 wasn't right. He'd even have that girl place bets for 0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:11.480 him and he would get wasted and send her to 0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:12.600 the bar to send bets. 0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:14.720 So they go to a bar I really love the 0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:17.920 name called Murfin Surfs Pub. That's cute. 0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:20.720 We hear an Irish accent. He says, whatever happened to 0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:24.239 the NYPD? Did all the white guys retire? And he's like, nah, 0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:27.040 I'm all for affirmative action. And Finn's like, we're here 0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:29.400 to talk about one of your former clients and he responds. 0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:32.360 He responds with a fart noise, and the caption said 0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:37.000 blowing raspberries got a saying, yeah. 0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:39.280 Like blowing raspberries is when you go like on a 0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:42.200 little kid's tummy or something. It's like giving them a raspberry, 0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:46.520 you know. Yeah, it's anyway. This guy also, for anyone 0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:49.320 who's like me, a Sons of Anarchy head, he was 0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:50.680 in the gang on Sons of Anarchy. 0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:53.000 That's why he's so hot. I was like, this guy's hot. 0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:57.040 Of course, Sons of Anarchy just like booking all the hotties. Yeah, 0:30:57.400 --> 0:31:01.720 the white Lotus of the early two thousands made all 0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:04.280 the hotties. I mean, I don't know when all Star 0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:07.960 stopped talking and bragging about knowing Meghan Fahie. She probably 0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:12.120 has long forgotten about us, but I'm just like, so, Meghan, 0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:16.320 she doesn't respond when I message, what's this hotties' name? 0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:19.080 Did he play a biker? An Irish biker? Did you 0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:20.080 have an accident there? 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:20.640 Yeah? 0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:23.280 Yeah yeah, because like and then down the line there's 0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:27.280 like a connect with like Northern Ireland and like guns 0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:29.440 coming over from there. He has a whole storyline with that, 0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:30.400 and yeah. 0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:34.600 Yeah, nice, Amorro's like, my four year old knows better 0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:35.000 than that. 0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:36.840 That's not even a burn. No one cares. 0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:40.480 But anyways, and then this man starts pouring salt on 0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:42.960 his hand, like I don't know what Murph is up to, 0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:46.480 Amorro gets aggressive and is like, Emmy, she was here 0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:49.960 either placing bets or drinking underage, whichever one you want 0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:50.640 to go down for. 0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:51.760 Let's go Bubbs. 0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:54.760 So now Amorrow and Benson are sitting with him in interrogation, 0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:58.760 flipping through files like, damn, I guess serving miners alcohol 0:31:58.800 --> 0:31:59.959 is just the tip of the iceberg. 0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:02.040 He has felonious assaults. 0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:04.280 He broke a man's legs and arms, He's cracked a 0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:06.840 man's skull with a baseball bat, and then he curbs 0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:09.840 stomped a dude. But Tomorrow's like describing what a curb 0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:12.480 stomp is. And we've all seen American History Act. We 0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:15.720 don't need like how too. But he has two pages 0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:17.960 of crimes and buchanans defending him. 0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:20.400 So big bucks, big bucks, and no morals. 0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:24.160 Benson says it's dangerous owing you money, huh, And he 0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:26.360 says these are very good stories. But you know what 0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:29.480 else is good? Twilight? They say it's just for tweens. 0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:33.360 But I do love those vampires. I love that. That's 0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:37.080 like the biggest thing. Buchanan lets them know that there 0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:38.840 are no convictions, just charges. 0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:40.640 So let's go, like we're out of here. 0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:43.200 And Benson splays out the crime scene photos and he's like, 0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:45.400 there's a fourteen year old girl fighting for her life 0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:48.040 and two dead parents, so nobody is gonna wriggle out 0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:52.160 of this one. And the Irish says, that's horrible. Buchanan's like, listen, 0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:54.959 he didn't commit these crimes, none of the two pages, Like, 0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:58.520 he's not involved with everything al and even if all 0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:02.120 those crimes on the two pages were him, none of 0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:04.680 them involved a gun and every victim survived, so it's 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:07.560 outside of like, you know, the what is it signature? 0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:11.200 And then also serve an alleged bookie no purpose. A 0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:13.920 dead man pays no debts, so they've been gotten. Good 0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:17.000 points are made. Buchanan's worth all the money. Finn is 0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:20.120 also not making waves in the case. He says all 0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:22.239 six for six in the Bible studies say they were 0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:25.280 there the whole time with Jimmy, And what about the 0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:28.320 jewels that were missing? And Rollin says they track the 0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:30.320 jewels to the pawn shop on the Lower East Side 0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:32.840 and all the tickets were in Sydney's name. Craigan's like, 0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:36.479 damn okay, hopefully Benson and tomorrow we're onto something so 0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:39.240 he turns around to leave, and walking into the precinct 0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:43.200 center desk area is Buchanan with his bookie client, and 0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:46.440 while Finn and Rollins are brainstorming about like what about 0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:47.000 the boyfriend? 0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:47.560 What about this? 0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:50.760 What about that, Rollins starts talking about a dog park, 0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:53.640 and then the bookie clocks Rollins and Rollins looks worried 0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:56.680 and panicked and he smiles at her. Finn asks what 0:33:56.760 --> 0:33:59.840 was that smile? And Rollins turns around and goes jealous, 0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:03.920 and she's holding in her panic. But the bitch was panicking. 0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:07.560 She is panicking. Yeah, So now Rollins is filling up 0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:09.880 her gas tank of her big ass truck and grabs 0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:13.279 her receipt and as she turns around, bam, giant punch 0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:16.080 into the stomach by the Irish guy. And then Officer 0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:20.560 Parker is there too, and the Irish guy looks like, wow, 0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:22.520 it looks like the two of you have something in common, 0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:25.279 meaning like bad cops, and Parker picks her up, and 0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:28.400 then the Irish punches her in the stomach again. Parker 0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:31.000 kneels down as he tells her, why are you laughing? 0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:34.959 Because you just keep calling him the Irish? It's so funny. 0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:39.160 Parker kneels down and tells her, you're in deep to 0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:41.719 the wrong guy's sweetheart. I hope you're not dumb enough 0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:43.759 to talk to your captain. And the Irish says, if 0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:46.120 you do, you won't see us coming. You'll just be gone, 0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:46.960 you understand. 0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:47.960 She nods. 0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:50.040 He calls her a good girl, and that's a trend 0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:51.040 on the internet right now. 0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:51.759 Do you know about this? 0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:52.160 No? 0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:54.600 I feel like the youth are talking about, like who 0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:56.640 they want to call them a good girl? And who 0:34:56.680 --> 0:34:59.239 would be disgusting if they said, like, you're a good girl. 0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:03.640 Oh yeah, that's like what the internet's doing these days. 0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:06.400 So she barely can bring herself up. She breathes so 0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:09.399 hard she's in pain. Obviously, there was a commercial break 0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:12.720 on NBC. Okay, like our detective gets punched, there's a break. 0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:17.560 God, those punches are so intense too, likeugh, it's like full, 0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:21.040 doubled over and unable to breathe, like awful punches. 0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:24.000 Yeah, so it's like Murph working out, you know what 0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:26.440 I mean? Like, how do you get so good at punching? 0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:30.520 Finn walks behind Rollins at a bar and says, and 0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:33.640 she's like thanks for coming. She's like I got a problem, 0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:36.000 and Finn says that Murphy guy, right, like he's been 0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:38.879 a detective for decades. Rollins, You're not gonna catch one 0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:42.120 on him. She explains, back home, it was just football, 0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:45.360 pools and Cuba the derby. She likes the action, but 0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:47.600 it wasn't serious. But since she's been to New York, 0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:51.000 it's gotten out of control. And she's twenty k in 0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:54.560 and the juice every week? Is that interest? 0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:59.560 The juice? Probably the juice, okay? Or yeah? 0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:02.600 Or maybe like money to keep going, like keep I 0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:03.640 don't know, I don't know. 0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:06.040 Finn asks if he always knew that she was a cop, 0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:07.880 and she's like, no, no, no, no, she told him she 0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:10.959 was a bartender. And not only that, she like checks 0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:13.360 him out and like saw where he made the payoffs 0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:16.000 and like then followed Murphy to a social club in 0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:19.000 Hell's Kitchen and Finn knows it's a bookie joint and 0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:21.360 she dug around and the boss's name is McCourt and 0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:24.120 I guess he's a really scary guy. And she says 0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:26.520 Murphy knocked her around and threatened her, and Parker was 0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:29.040 with him, and Finn is like, they hate you, Are 0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.400 you okay? And she said, okay, we got we got 0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:32.080 an update. 0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:32.719 Juice. 0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:35.960 Juice in sports betting is the cut of bookie takes 0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:36.719 from every bet. 0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:40.200 Yeah, so it sounds like it's probably like weekly interest 0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:42.680 or something also called the yeah, the vague. 0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:46.480 Yeah damn okay, But why do you need bookies? They 0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:49.200 have to take the bets? Oh, because they have the pot. 0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:53.000 Yeah whatever. I think it's easier. I don't think people 0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:55.040 need bookies anymore. I think you can ruin your life 0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:56.040 online really easily. 0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:59.600 Yeah more online, Yeah, yeah, you don't need to get 0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:05.640 punched by an irishman at the gas station. So but 0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:08.160 I like, also I wonder if online you can't go 0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:10.479 as far either, because like your credit card can only 0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:12.520 like will max out at a certain point, right, Like 0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:15.480 if it's all online, like in real life, you can 0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:17.520 be like okay, I can get some earrings or I 0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:19.600 can like you know whatever, then you can just fucking 0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:23.120 keep going and maybe online like curbs it a little 0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:26.600 bit more because it's all like like virtual money or 0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:27.200 credit you know. 0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:29.239 Yeah, it was weird because when I went to the 0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:32.640 horse track, there was just like a group of men 0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:35.040 at the TVs yelling like they didn't even care about 0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:36.920 the horses, like they didn't want to see. They weren't 0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:39.520 there for like an ambiance, like let you shore the races, 0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:43.040 Like they were just inside huddled with their tickets. 0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:45.560 Yeah, they weren't like I love to watch these majestic 0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:49.560 animals race. It was like give me my money or yeah, 0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:51.000 I'm about to lose my car. 0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:52.680 Yeah, but I do love that. 0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:57.920 Finn is very protective of Rollin's, you know, He's just like, 0:37:57.960 --> 0:37:58.600 are you okay? 0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:01.320 What do we gotta do? He cares so much. 0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:04.640 And then she goes, anything else you want to know 0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:06.960 about your new partner, and she swigs her beer and 0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:08.319 Finn goes, Okay, here's the deal. 0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:11.200 We'll take the creeps off the street and we let 0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:12.560 them know who the hell we are. 0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:15.000 Then you have to you have to come clean to 0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:17.600 the captain, and then dramatic music plays. We cut to 0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.400 a sting operation at the booky place and Murphy is 0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:23.120 there and a lot of other whites and Parker and 0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:25.560 Tomorrow cuffs his ass and they actually went. 0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:27.480 To the academy together L O. L. 0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:30.439 Murphy tries to sneak away out the back, but Finn 0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:32.080 gets him and punches him in the gut. And goes, 0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:34.600 you know what this is for, right, and he says, sure, 0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:36.920 but tell your girlfriend. She's going to be very sorry. 0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:39.000 And Finn is like, okay, is that a threat to 0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:42.680 a detective? And he goes, Detective, that bitch is a degenerate. 0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:45.840 Your girl's sick. And he busts his face onto the 0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:47.960 bar and Murphy bleeds out. 0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:49.719 Of his mouth, and I fucking love it. 0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:53.480 This is where this is sort of like a It's 0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:55.879 like a baby curb stomp. It's like, not full teeth, 0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:57.920 it's just like a head slam onto a table. 0:38:58.120 --> 0:38:58.359 Yeah. 0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:00.919 I bet Finn went to the strip after this day 0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:02.320 to blow off some steam. 0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:03.040 Yeah. 0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:05.719 It's also like that gift that they have, or it's 0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:08.080 not a gift, but it's like a TikTok of Olivia 0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:10.600 Benson slamming that guy's head and it's set to like 0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:12.960 it's like Haull of bat Girl, and it's just Benson 0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:15.040 over and over against smacking a guy's head. 0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:18.040 The Internet and the joy it brings me. I know 0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:20.160 there's a lot of horrible stuff, but the memes are 0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:23.120 so funny and good, and I love the ones where 0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:26.279 they do music to people falling off hot tubs. Or 0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:29.719 like a horse on a plastic slide, like I love 0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:32.680 the integration of music and accidents. 0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:34.680 Of cinematic accidents. Yeah yeah, So. 0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:38.040 Amaro calls Spin into the court's office and he's and 0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:41.240 he says, big mistake, opens the drawer to the side 0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:43.480 desk and goes, I want to end this and tomorrow 0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:45.120 was like, you're gonna bribe us. He's like, nah, I 0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:47.520 got enough, dirty cops. I actually don't need any more. 0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:51.320 But these envelopes are in a drawer and one says 0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:54.359 Crosby and that's Sydney's code name, and he's like, open it. 0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:57.319 And the night he died, his team actually made a 0:39:57.360 --> 0:39:59.560 miracle comeback, so we had a bunch of money ready 0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:02.120 for him night he died. And Finn is like, so 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:04.399 you're mad he won, and he's like, nah, if he won, 0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:06.320 he would just lose it to me again, Sidney was 0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:08.640 a gift that kept on giving. Why would I want 0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:12.320 to kill him? Good point? So do bookies never murder? 0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:15.960 I think that at worst they would murder someone in 0:40:16.000 --> 0:40:18.799 your family like dead men pay no debts. But like 0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:21.320 what if they kill your wife, your brother? 0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:22.279 You know what I mean? 0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:26.440 Like to send a message or hurt those people, but 0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:28.040 I don't think they kill you if you. 0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:29.400 Owe the money. Damn. 0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:32.160 So now it's Rollin's and Finn in the office, and 0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:35.040 Rollins is like, damn, so these guys didn't kill them 0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:38.160 and we're back to fucking zero. But Finn is like, 0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:39.840 that doesn't change what you have to do, and she 0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:41.640 puts her hot tea down on the desk and she 0:40:41.680 --> 0:40:45.320 walks into Craigan's office ready to confess. She thanks Finn 0:40:45.560 --> 0:40:48.960 very sincerely one last time. So they both enter Craigan's 0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:51.160 office and he's just hanging up the phone. Emmy's out 0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:54.040 of a coma, so she's awake. Craigan's gonna meet Benson 0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:56.239 and tomorrow there now saved by the Koma. 0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:58.360 Girl waking up. Okay, like this is perfect. 0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:00.919 So we're now at the hospital, all the doctors filling 0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:03.000 our peeps in. The bullet went through Emmy's skull, but 0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:06.520 she's good, her brain functions intact, her vitals are coming back, 0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:08.480 and she's a tough and very lucky girl. 0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:10.719 She's chatting a nose who she. 0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:12.480 Is and the surroundings, but they don't know if she's 0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:15.920 gonna have any other memory or brain issues. Nobody has 0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:18.560 visited her besides the staff. The boyfriend's been in the 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:20.400 waiting room the past few days, but they haven't let 0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:22.360 him in yet. No one's gone in there, so the 0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:25.480 doctor brings in the detectives. Olivia and Lamarro slowly approach 0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:27.680 Emmy like she's a gazelle and they're like a nature 0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:32.959 photographer and they're speaking in very soft tones. They fill 0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:35.400 her in that they're trying to figure out what happened 0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:37.480 last night, and she asks where her mom and dad 0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:40.840 are and Benson's like, well, okay, first, Ione wanted to 0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:42.600 ask you what was the last thing you remember? And 0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:45.520 she's like, I remember feeling angry because she couldn't go 0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:48.759 to her boyfriend Rob's house because his father said no. 0:41:48.880 --> 0:41:52.120 And she remembers watching basketball with her father, and she 0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:55.960 remembers nothing else. And again she asked where her parents are. 0:41:56.040 --> 0:41:59.200 The violins start thumping and they're dead. Okay, they're dead, 0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:02.319 she asked. She goes are the dad? Benson says, yes, 0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:04.880 I'm very sorry. Emmy's in a bandage with tubes in 0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:07.040 her nose and she's like who would do this? 0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:08.640 And h and why? 0:42:08.719 --> 0:42:10.640 And Tomorrow's like, we're trying to figure it out, and 0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:11.719 she's like, where is Rob? 0:42:11.760 --> 0:42:13.520 Please? I want Rob? I want Rob. 0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:16.880 Tomorrow actually has a question for the doctor and is like, hey, babe, 0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:19.440 why do you have her on anti virals? And she 0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:22.320 she spills the beans is this not a hip of violation, 0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:25.839 not just anti. 0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:28.680 But she says she's not gonna say something, and they 0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:31.520 say this could this could affect our investigation. 0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:32.000 And that's when she spills. 0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:36.440 Okay, but even still it's like maybe it's because she's 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:39.120 underage and it could be abuse, but like, yeah, I 0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:42.000 was really shocked when she's spilled like this beans. 0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:47.799 Well yeah, no parents or guardian nearby, Like yeah, but 0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:49.400 I think she thought they told her it was like 0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:50.640 material to the investigation. 0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:52.600 So she's so she's spilled. Yeah yeah. 0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:57.000 So basically the surgery triggered to herpies outbreak. So they 0:42:57.040 --> 0:43:00.640 react like excuse me, what, like we all are viewers 0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:04.000 of this since she did sign this abstinence stock and 0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:07.200 the doctor's like, you know, this actually isn't that unusual 0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:09.520 for sexually active fourteen year old girls And they're like, yeah, 0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:11.680 but she said that she wasn't fucking. So they go 0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:13.719 to visit the Fisher apartment and the dad is like, 0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:16.280 my son is not fucking and does not have herpes, 0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:20.080 and Benson goes, has he been tested? And it's like no, 0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:23.120 but he had a check up, like I'm assuming the 0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:25.399 herpes would have come up. He's also fourteen. He still 0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:29.560 plays with Pokemon cards. And Benson asks, well, could emmy 0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:31.839 have had other boyfriends? And the dad's like, you have 0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:33.920 to talk to her about that. She told Rob that 0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:36.920 he was the first person she ever kissed, and Amaro 0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:39.520 pushes like, do you believe that? He's like, listen, she 0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:42.240 came on too strong, moved too fast. There's just something 0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:45.480 super needy about the girl. She was desperate and clung 0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:48.279 to my son like a barnacle, but he didn't know 0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:51.720 what her problem was. Benson looks angry. Amoro and Benson 0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:54.160 are now outside and they're like, okay, absence he mother 0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:56.480 adolescent girl left alone in the house with their drunk 0:43:56.520 --> 0:44:01.080 father virgin but as herpes, U wouldn't be the first. 0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:03.120 And then Benson goes, wouldn't be the first time we 0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:05.160 tested a corpse for STDs? 0:44:05.320 --> 0:44:07.560 Like, girl, what a job? What a job? 0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:10.800 We cut to Rollins and she has to go speak 0:44:10.840 --> 0:44:13.160 to Cragan and she starts to talk and Craigan's like, 0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:16.880 Murphy already routed you out, so shut up. I already 0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:19.400 called IAB, so he didn't have any leverage on you. 0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:21.920 They're going to interview you. Anything else I need to 0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:23.799 know about this? Did you run any plates? What did 0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:25.759 you do for him? And Rollin says no, I was 0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:29.080 just gambling. He says, good. Then you're lucky because eventually 0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:31.160 he would have and you were if you were desperate enough. 0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:34.200 You understand I really should take your gun and shield 0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:36.879 right now, and Rollins knows, but he says, I will 0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:39.600 go to bat for you against IAB if this is 0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:42.600 truly the extent of it, and she assured him it is. 0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:45.640 He says, okay, it'll probably be just like a command 0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:48.520 discipline and I'm going to take ten vacation days from you. 0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:51.520 But free time isn't your friend, is it? And he 0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:54.000 asks knowing lee, and Rollins is like, yeah, I think 0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:56.200 that's part of the problem. And he stands up and 0:44:56.239 --> 0:44:58.080 walks towards her, and he's like, listen, I get it. 0:44:58.120 --> 0:45:01.160 I've been where you are. This could really weigh on you. 0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:05.719 And he starts divulging about his drinking problems. He was like, 0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:07.640 you know first, like as soon as I was off duty, 0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:09.600 I would start pounding and then I would just have 0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:11.279 a few on the job to get through it. And 0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:13.840 I thought no one noticed, but my captain could have 0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:16.959 canned my ass, but instead he got me help. And 0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:21.400 while Rollin's is listening, she says wow and wipes away tears, 0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:24.000 and he says, you're a good detective, Amanda, and I 0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:26.239 don't want to end your career, and she says she says, 0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:28.319 I don't want that either, and he says, I'm gonna 0:45:28.320 --> 0:45:30.560 get you help, but if you screw up again, you're gone. 0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:34.560 And perfect acting, perfect crying. There's even snot action. This 0:45:34.640 --> 0:45:37.160 bitch is killing it. So then Benson and Tomorrow do 0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:39.440 a knock knock wait for a come in and bursts 0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:42.759 into the office for gossip on the case and see 0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:44.839 Amanda visibly crying and they're like, we can come back, 0:45:44.880 --> 0:45:46.680 but they're like, no, no, no, what's up. So there's a 0:45:46.760 --> 0:45:48.839 lab report the dad and daughter do have the same 0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:53.480 strain of herpes. Disappointing, of course, Craigan says, every unhappy 0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:55.959 family is unhappy in its own way. 0:45:56.480 --> 0:45:59.120 I don't know if it's time for little quotes but okay. 0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:01.520 Yeah, I thought it was like this seems like a 0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:04.720 little bit more than on happiness. It's full on criminality. 0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:07.280 But yeah, okay, thanks for the Instagram quote. 0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:11.759 Craigs, Rollin's, and Benson make an intense eye contact, but 0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:15.200 nothing is spoken about, and Craigan just says, find out 0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:17.719 who else knew, So they all leave the office to 0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:20.480 go back to work and solve some crimes. We're at 0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:23.920 the hospital and Emmy's still in her big ass bandage, 0:46:23.920 --> 0:46:26.040 but she's walking outside of her room with a nurse 0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:29.040 and Tomorrow Sweet. He's like, hell yeah, girl, so happy 0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:31.480 to see you on your feet, and she says she's 0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:33.520 feeling better, but like, why are you guys here? Did 0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:36.799 you find who killed my parents? Benson actually wants to 0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:39.439 chat about something else, and Benson's in a private room 0:46:39.440 --> 0:46:41.759 with Emmy and tells her they know what was going 0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:44.440 on between her and the father, and she tries to deny, 0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:47.239 and Benson's like, come on, girl, I'm a detective, but 0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:50.640 she is like no, no, like he wasn't the best dad, 0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:53.840 but I mean, and Benson stops her and is like 0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:57.200 it's okay, you don't have to cover for him. Anymore 0:46:57.239 --> 0:46:59.640 and whatever happened is not your fault, and then asks 0:46:59.640 --> 0:47:03.120 when it's started. Emmy says, last February they went skiing 0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:05.759 in Vermont and the mom left early to probably cheat 0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:08.200 on the dad. So just the two of them that 0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:10.399 first night, and he had been drinking and Benson asks 0:47:10.440 --> 0:47:13.120 if it was the like one time, and she goes, no, 0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:14.399 he drank a lot. 0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:17.200 But then she goes, why does it even matter? He's dead? 0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:19.319 And Benson's like, did you ever tell anyone about this? 0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:22.840 And she says no, she handled it herself and it's fine, 0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:27.040 Please stop. Nobody knew, not Rob, nobody. Benson's like, there 0:47:27.040 --> 0:47:28.719 are people you can talk to and will help you, 0:47:28.800 --> 0:47:30.319 and She's like, if you want to help me, make 0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:33.400 sure Rob never finds out. I never want Rob to know. 0:47:33.480 --> 0:47:37.040 He would be disgusted. Please don't tell him. Benson agrees, 0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:39.600 and then Benson and Tomorrow walk and talk through the 0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:40.400 hospital walls. 0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:43.840 Wait, but did you ever notice how dry the girl's 0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:47.279 lips are? I did, Oh my god, the whole time. 0:47:47.320 --> 0:47:49.319 Her lips are like cracked in a middle like they 0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:50.840 were like. I was like, is that the hair and 0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:53.399 makeup team? Like can they They're like chopped, which would 0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:55.120 happen if you were like in a surgery, in like 0:47:55.160 --> 0:47:57.440 a coma for a few days, you know, like unless 0:47:57.440 --> 0:47:59.640 they're applying lip bomb. And I was like, her lips 0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:01.960 are so I'm sorry, I just had to point it out. 0:48:01.960 --> 0:48:04.120 I'm surprised you always have an eye for everything. 0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:06.279 Well, no, maybe I was too busy typing, you know 0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:07.680 what I mean? Yeah, that's why I. 0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:09.600 Yes too, that's when I was watching more. 0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:13.239 Yeah. So then they're like talking. They're like, do you 0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:14.480 really think Rob didn't know? 0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:17.520 And she's like covering for him, but they're like yeah, 0:48:17.520 --> 0:48:19.719 but that doesn't even make sense, like kill the dad, 0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:21.240 but why are you shooting Emmy? 0:48:21.719 --> 0:48:23.719 And so they're like, let's recheck the forensics. 0:48:23.719 --> 0:48:26.080 So Rollin's and Finn are with Rob and his dad 0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:27.600 and they're asking about Emmy's dad. 0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:29.640 They're basically like, what more do you want from us? 0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:31.319 And they're like, are you sure you're not telling us 0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:33.600 something like what about the dad? And he's like, yeah, 0:48:33.640 --> 0:48:36.279 he was a jerk who drink all day and what 0:48:36.320 --> 0:48:39.160 do you want? And Rollins keeps pushing and the dad 0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:42.680 is like what is this about? And Rollins is like, 0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:45.200 keep going, Rob and ignore the dad, and he explains 0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:48.359 that after Carmen was fired, Emmy spent all her time 0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:50.880 over there, and she was very close to Carmen and 0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:52.560 she was more of a mother than her own mother, 0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:55.200 and she would visit Carmen and beg her to come back. 0:48:55.239 --> 0:48:57.759 So Emmy just hated being alone with her dad. And 0:48:57.800 --> 0:48:59.960 they all make my eyes at each other in silence. 0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:02.319 And now we're back at the precinct and they got 0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:04.040 Carmen in the hot seat and they let her know 0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:06.319 Emmy told us about the father, and we know that 0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:08.839 you were close and that like she told you, and 0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:10.960 she goes, he was a sick man and brought evil 0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:13.239 to the whole house and look what happened because of it. 0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:16.120 And Benson's like, yeah, and you really really love her 0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:17.799 and protect her, and she goes, yeah, and that's how 0:49:17.840 --> 0:49:19.719 you know I couldn't have done this because I would 0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:23.000 never have like shot her. And while Benson and Finner 0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:25.920 with her, Rollin's and Tomorrow are with the brother and 0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:27.680 they're trying to see which one of these two did 0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:30.160 the crime. Knock knock on the door and Kragan's there 0:49:30.160 --> 0:49:33.720 with the forensics report and both Sydney and Emmy's DNA 0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:36.160 were on the bullet removed from Emmy's skull, which means 0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:39.080 that the like, that's why she probably survived because it 0:49:39.120 --> 0:49:41.399 didn't have enough oops, like it went through the dad 0:49:41.480 --> 0:49:44.759 and then into Emmy. And so that's so it was 0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:49.560 not a purposeful attack on Emmy. And and so then 0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:52.280 Tomorrow goes, oh, it must be like weighing on our preacher. 0:49:52.719 --> 0:49:55.720 And so Tomorrow's like, I'm gonna do what cops do best. 0:49:55.960 --> 0:49:56.360 Lie. 0:49:56.760 --> 0:50:00.400 So he goes in there and says, Emmy didn't make it. 0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:03.120 But to me, it's like if they were so close, 0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:05.640 wouldn't Emmy have called them from the hospital or when 0:50:05.640 --> 0:50:07.919 they have visited, you know what I mean, Like they've 0:50:08.000 --> 0:50:09.920 raised her since she was two months old, and she 0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:12.160 didn't like message them, like I feel like they know 0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:15.359 that she's alive. But he says, so he goes, that's 0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:18.720 not possible Robin's and Rollins goes, yeah, post ops seizure, 0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:21.480 the post ops seizure. Like, now that's in my head 0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:26.080 now because of the Andy Carl episode. Oh yeah, you know, 0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:27.680 we all thought he was gonna be fine and then 0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:30.560 he wasn't. So that's gonna be in my mind now. 0:50:30.640 --> 0:50:33.200 From from now on, I will never believe anyone is okay. 0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:37.359 Amaro pushes the paper with the DNA results and it's 0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:39.560 gonna and he starts being like, you know, playing with 0:50:39.640 --> 0:50:42.360 Jimmy and on his weaknesses. There's a little Spanish, a 0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:44.080 little prayers sprinkled in this. 0:50:44.560 --> 0:50:45.280 He's like, it's. 0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:46.840 Gonna eat at you, Jimmy. You want a lie to 0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:50.200 the cops, that's okay. But God knows the truth, and 0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:52.440 he goes Emmy is looking down on YouTube and she 0:50:52.560 --> 0:50:54.840 knows the truth. And he starts praying, and Tomorrow's like, 0:50:55.080 --> 0:50:56.880 if you want God to forgive you, you have to 0:50:56.920 --> 0:50:58.600 forgive yourself to your preacher. 0:50:58.680 --> 0:50:59.560 You know the answer. 0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:02.560 If we confess our sins, then something will cleanse for 0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:03.960 the wickedness the Bible. 0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:05.880 YadA, YadA. 0:51:06.280 --> 0:51:08.359 He turns Tomorrow and goes, that's John one nine. You're 0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:11.160 a believer, and he speaks Spanish. They're snot coming out 0:51:11.200 --> 0:51:13.719 of the brother. We jumped back to Benson and the 0:51:13.760 --> 0:51:16.360 Sister Nanny and she's like, you don't understand. 0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:18.800 I tried. I went to her mother and she didn't 0:51:18.800 --> 0:51:19.200 believe it. 0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:20.960 I was just getting back at She thought I was 0:51:21.000 --> 0:51:21.960 just getting back at Sydney. 0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:24.640 For firing me, and. 0:51:24.160 --> 0:51:25.880 She's like, so it was what is that when you 0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:27.960 decided with your brother to be heroes and kill them? 0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:30.640 And she's like, my brother, he didn't know about this, 0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:32.400 And Finn walks in and says, then, why did your 0:51:32.400 --> 0:51:34.799 brother just confess to the crime. He planned it all 0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:36.640 and she goes, no, he's lying. He did that to 0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:39.319 protect me. She says it was all her idea and 0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:42.200 Sydney was raping her and she starts to cry, and 0:51:42.239 --> 0:51:43.880 Emmy was thinking of killing herself. 0:51:43.920 --> 0:51:44.920 We had to save her. 0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:48.000 And it cuts back to the brother talking about the 0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:50.440 devil and he knows that they're out there because he 0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:53.600 used to be a devil and that man wasn't right, 0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:57.120 so he shot him. I saw her. I knew she 0:51:57.200 --> 0:51:59.520 was there right behind she went down. He cries, he 0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:01.799 would rather take that bullet. He's like, I'd rather take 0:52:01.840 --> 0:52:04.520 that bullet myself. She wasn't supposed to be there. He 0:52:04.600 --> 0:52:07.800 keeps crying, and again she says like she wasn't supposed 0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:09.600 to be there, and he punches the table and cries 0:52:09.640 --> 0:52:12.280 into his wrist and rollins is like, she was supposed 0:52:12.280 --> 0:52:13.840 to be at her boyfriend's right and he's like I know, 0:52:14.080 --> 0:52:16.680 I know. And Amara's like, well, who told you that, Carmen, 0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:19.520 And he goes no, no, no no, and they're like, well, 0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:22.120 how did you know? And everyone stares at each other 0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:25.000 while more dramatic music plays. You know how they usually say, 0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:27.360 like New York's the other character in a show, Like 0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:29.200 the dramatic music is another. 0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:31.440 Violent the other character in the show. 0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:36.320 Absolutely, there's so much drama in this episode. Benson and 0:52:36.360 --> 0:52:38.680 Tomorrow and Craig in her brain's storming, and Benson's like, 0:52:38.680 --> 0:52:41.359 maybe she mentioned it to Carmen and passing like small talk, 0:52:41.400 --> 0:52:43.920 and Tomorrow's like, or she helps set it up, and 0:52:44.000 --> 0:52:46.960 Craigan's like, we got to find out and see what's up. 0:52:47.000 --> 0:52:49.160 And Benson's like fine, but like she's a fourteen year 0:52:49.160 --> 0:52:51.680 old victim of sexual abuse in her own home. And 0:52:51.719 --> 0:52:53.640 Craigan's like, sure, but there are other ways she could 0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:56.560 have handled it. Craigan's like, I hope to god she 0:52:56.680 --> 0:52:58.799 is not involved, but we have to follow through on this, 0:52:58.840 --> 0:53:00.279 And they all look at each other as they go 0:53:00.280 --> 0:53:03.239 to torture this girl. Benson walks in and she's still 0:53:03.280 --> 0:53:06.600 bandaged up and Rob is chilling with her. Amaro closes 0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:08.799 the door and Benson starts to tell her that they 0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:11.840 talk to Carmen and Jimmy who confessed to killing the parents, 0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:15.520 and Robin's like, why would they do that? And Amar's like, wow, okay, 0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:18.520 he really doesn't know. And it's like, why are you 0:53:19.400 --> 0:53:21.440 Why are you blowing it? Why does she have to 0:53:21.480 --> 0:53:23.279 tell him? I don't get why they have a heart 0:53:23.360 --> 0:53:25.960 on for this, obviously for drama because it's TV. But 0:53:26.000 --> 0:53:28.239 I'm like, leave her alone. She doesn't have to tell 0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:31.000 him anything. So they push her to tell Rob the 0:53:31.040 --> 0:53:34.360 truth about her father, and she goes, it's not your choice, 0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:36.880 and I agree with her. So then Rob is like, Emmy, 0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:38.920 what are they talking about? And Benson pulls up a 0:53:39.000 --> 0:53:41.359 chair and sits down and says, I know this is hard, 0:53:41.400 --> 0:53:43.800 but there won't be any secrets when this goes to trial, 0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:45.719 and it will go to trial, and I think it's 0:53:45.719 --> 0:53:48.640 best if he hears it from you. She cries. She 0:53:48.719 --> 0:53:50.759 turns to him and says, my dad forgot that I 0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:53.000 was his daughter, and he's like what does that mean? 0:53:53.080 --> 0:53:56.200 And she cries and is like, don't make me say it. 0:53:56.200 --> 0:53:58.279 It was horrible, and Rob is like, why didn't you 0:53:58.320 --> 0:54:00.600 tell me? I could have helped you, and she's like, well, 0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:02.080 I wanted to be pure for you. 0:54:02.160 --> 0:54:03.840 I didn't want you to think I was dirty. 0:54:04.480 --> 0:54:06.880 And this is like a very important lesson because this 0:54:06.960 --> 0:54:09.760 is a huge issue with like purity and abstinence culture 0:54:10.280 --> 0:54:14.040 is and why young victims don't come forward because it's 0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:16.080 shameful for them and they think they're dirty. And I 0:54:16.239 --> 0:54:18.800 just like, this was such a like one sentence moment, 0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:22.759 but it encapsulates so many issues that we instilled in 0:54:22.920 --> 0:54:26.600 young people and why this sort of languaging is so 0:54:26.800 --> 0:54:31.000 fucked up. And then Rob is like, I would never 0:54:31.080 --> 0:54:33.239 have judged you. I love you no matter what, and 0:54:33.320 --> 0:54:36.520 Tomorrow is like, well, one thing I didn't get when 0:54:36.600 --> 0:54:39.319 Jimmy confessed. He kept saying I'm sorry, I'm sorry. She 0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:42.160 wasn't supposed to be there, and you weren't supposed to 0:54:42.160 --> 0:54:43.759 be there, were you? And Rob's like, no, she was 0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:45.600 supposed to be at my house and Emmy's like, it 0:54:45.680 --> 0:54:48.600 wasn't part of the plan. And then they're like what plan, Emmy, 0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:50.840 And she goes Carmen and Jimmy were trying to save me. 0:54:51.200 --> 0:54:53.359 I told them Friday night, my parents will both be home, 0:54:53.400 --> 0:54:55.160 and she was supposed to be at Rob's house, and 0:54:55.200 --> 0:54:57.120 she told them to write queers on the wall so 0:54:57.160 --> 0:54:59.880 the cops would think it's a hate crime. And Omar's like, okay, 0:55:00.040 --> 0:55:02.120 your father, I get but your mother. And She's like, 0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:05.080 my father was just pathetic, he couldn't help himself, but 0:55:05.160 --> 0:55:08.120 my mom I hated her more than him. Benson turns 0:55:08.200 --> 0:55:11.080 to Tomorrow and says she knew. Emmy cries out she 0:55:11.239 --> 0:55:13.880 let it happen. Carmen tries to tell her, I tried. 0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:16.239 Everybody thinks she's some kind of hero, but she was 0:55:16.280 --> 0:55:18.640 more worried about saving the world than about saving her 0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:21.480 own daughter. And Tomorrow was like, Emmy, we're gonna have 0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:23.399 to arrest you. And Rob's like, you can't take her, 0:55:23.400 --> 0:55:25.000 you can't do this, don't do it. And She's like 0:55:25.040 --> 0:55:28.640 it's okay, I'm free. I'm free, and they hug and cry. 0:55:28.719 --> 0:55:31.240 She says I'm free now. Benson looks down. She doesn't 0:55:31.239 --> 0:55:33.760 want to arrest her. We're now with Rollin's and Craigan 0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:36.160 walking into a meeting, and he says, you're here, it's 0:55:36.200 --> 0:55:38.960 the first step, and she smiles. She walks into the 0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:41.680 meeting as Craigan stares in the doorway, looking and she 0:55:41.760 --> 0:55:45.799 sits so aggressively manspread style, like totally dangerous minds, like. 0:55:46.040 --> 0:55:48.640 Her legs cand like her legs probably took. 0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:52.920 Four fucking subway seats and that's dick wolf baby. And 0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:55.280 this is difficult because I don't want anyone going to jail. 0:55:55.719 --> 0:55:57.520 I don't think that this girl will end up going 0:55:57.520 --> 0:56:01.680 to jail. She's fourteen, and it's not like she paid 0:56:01.760 --> 0:56:04.320 for it. It was like she just told these adults, 0:56:04.400 --> 0:56:07.120 like what the schedule was of the household. I feel 0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:10.080 like any good lawyer would be like able to get 0:56:10.080 --> 0:56:13.160 her off. And like she was fourteen and she thought 0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:16.480 this is how I get out of a horrifically abusive situation, 0:56:16.719 --> 0:56:17.560 Like she'll. 0:56:17.320 --> 0:56:19.759 Go to maybe juvenile and then be out. Yeah, but 0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:22.960 I don't want Carmen and Jimmy to go to jail either. 0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:29.319 I know, but unfortunately, Yeah, all right, well let's get 0:56:29.360 --> 0:56:31.279 to this fucking new crime. I wish that they could 0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:34.640 have just gone to the police maybe, like I don't know. 0:56:35.400 --> 0:56:37.799 Yeah, but I just wonder if that's not part of 0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:41.359 Jimmy and Carmen's culture, especially since Jimmy served time and 0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:43.520 like I don't know where you know, I yeah, and 0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:45.960 you might they might be raised in a place where 0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:47.439 you don't you don't involve the cop. 0:56:47.480 --> 0:56:50.040 But they did get six members of the congregation to 0:56:50.200 --> 0:56:52.160 back him up and say that he was a Bible study. 0:56:52.640 --> 0:56:56.000 They all lied, yeah, or Bible study ended early. 0:56:56.040 --> 0:56:59.800 Yeah, you're right here, yeah, right, like his full alibi 0:56:59.880 --> 0:57:04.960 was like his congregation. I'm obsessed with on Lacey's Scam 0:57:04.960 --> 0:57:08.120 Goddess podcast how she calls her listeners the congregation. 0:57:08.280 --> 0:57:09.280 I think that's so funny. 0:57:10.320 --> 0:57:14.200 Okay, well, we've got an interesting crime when we come back, 0:57:14.239 --> 0:57:33.480 so don't go anywhere, and we're back. So this episode 0:57:34.040 --> 0:57:37.120 is obviously could be based on a lot of things, 0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:38.800 like if you go to like the wiki or other 0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:42.680 resources on the internet, it's like the Menendez brothers are listed, 0:57:42.720 --> 0:57:44.520 Like there are a lot of cases of people who 0:57:44.520 --> 0:57:48.560 have committed parricide, which is killing your parents. Like I 0:57:48.640 --> 0:57:50.720 ran in I saw one case where there was a 0:57:50.720 --> 0:57:53.640 woman named Stacy Ann Lannert who was convicted of the 0:57:53.720 --> 0:57:56.000 murder of her father Tom in nineteen ninety when she 0:57:56.080 --> 0:57:58.480 was eighteen, and she testified that he had sexually abusedress 0:57:58.480 --> 0:58:01.520 since she was eight and that seems similar. She did 0:58:01.600 --> 0:58:04.000 get life in prison, but then got out after eighteen years, 0:58:04.000 --> 0:58:05.920 so I'm happy that she was able to get some 0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:06.680 of her life back. 0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:09.160 So maybe our girl is going to jail, but she 0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:09.840 was eighteen. 0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:12.560 I don't think fourteen that they're going to send her 0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:14.600 to like an adult jail, but you know, maybe not. 0:58:14.960 --> 0:58:18.120 And what's the vibe with the Menendez brothers did they? 0:58:18.160 --> 0:58:19.040 Are they good or bad? 0:58:19.880 --> 0:58:20.200 Well? 0:58:20.440 --> 0:58:22.960 The Menendez brothers claim their parents were molesting them, but 0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:25.080 apparently there's like not a lot of proof of that 0:58:25.120 --> 0:58:27.400 and it's something that they came up with like later to. 0:58:27.520 --> 0:58:29.240 Justify like that. 0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:33.000 I watched the whole Ryan Murphy crime story about the 0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:34.800 Menandez brothers, and that was kind of when I learned 0:58:34.800 --> 0:58:38.280 more about it because I think the original like media 0:58:38.360 --> 0:58:40.200 presentation of it at the beginning was that they were 0:58:40.240 --> 0:58:41.760 just like these two rich boys and they wanted to 0:58:41.800 --> 0:58:43.840 kill their parents because their parents were like not giving 0:58:43.880 --> 0:58:45.480 them enough money and they wanted to just like be 0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:47.920 able to spend and live. And then they said that 0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:51.320 they were being molested by their parents, So I but 0:58:51.400 --> 0:58:55.240 I do not know. But also I think that the 0:58:55.280 --> 0:58:57.360 Menendez brothers did it themselves anyway. 0:58:58.080 --> 0:59:00.960 The they're just my the most fai I bet like 0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:02.320 people like their parents. 0:59:02.600 --> 0:59:04.520 But I think I'm ready to focus. 0:59:04.880 --> 0:59:07.920 Yeah, in terms of having a third party kill your parents. 0:59:07.960 --> 0:59:09.760 I think this is more related to the story of 0:59:09.840 --> 0:59:12.120 Jennifer Pan. And before you all send me a message, 0:59:12.160 --> 0:59:14.240 I don't that My Favorite Murder has covered this, but 0:59:14.400 --> 0:59:17.080 it is. Uh, this is a different podcast, and so 0:59:18.280 --> 0:59:20.880 this and also the Jennifer Pan case was unfolding like 0:59:21.000 --> 0:59:22.320 right as this episode came out. 0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:23.800 So that's why I think this is what it's more 0:59:23.800 --> 0:59:24.280 based on. 0:59:24.720 --> 0:59:28.040 Jennifer Pan is the Vietnamese Canadian woman raised by her 0:59:28.040 --> 0:59:30.840 parents who immigrated to Canada from Vietnam. Her mother's name 0:59:30.880 --> 0:59:34.800 was Bick Hoppon and her father's name was Hue Han 0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:37.800 Pon or Pan is the last name, and she was 0:59:37.960 --> 0:59:40.720 and she had one brother named Felix. So they these 0:59:40.760 --> 0:59:44.240 people met in Canada, got married, had their two kids, 0:59:44.640 --> 0:59:46.760 and they worked their fucking asses off. They worked for 0:59:46.800 --> 0:59:49.960 an autoparts manufacturer near Toronto. They counted every penny until 0:59:49.960 --> 0:59:53.320 they bought a super nice house, drove like Lexuses and Mercedes, 0:59:53.360 --> 0:59:55.200 and had two hundred thousand dollars in the bank like 0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:59.360 they were living like quote unquote like the immigrant success story, 0:59:59.440 --> 1:00:03.240 you know, and so they were pretty demanding of their kids. 1:00:03.320 --> 1:00:05.960 Jennifer was like in piano lessons from age four, she 1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:08.880 was doing figure skating and apparently she was going for 1:00:08.920 --> 1:00:12.080 Olympics until an injury kind of put a topic in 1:00:12.120 --> 1:00:15.920 her dream. And now some friends and classmates said that 1:00:15.960 --> 1:00:18.880 her dad was quote a classic tiger dad, while her 1:00:18.920 --> 1:00:21.360 mom just kind of like went along with it. But 1:00:21.400 --> 1:00:24.640 they monitored the kids pretty closely, like no dances, no boys, 1:00:24.720 --> 1:00:27.640 no parties. And then the pressure apparently really got to 1:00:27.720 --> 1:00:30.200 Jennifer and she began cutting herself at a young age. 1:00:30.520 --> 1:00:34.800 She had a classmate named Karen Hoe who wrote a 1:00:34.840 --> 1:00:37.400 full profile on her for Toronto Life. 1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:38.400 It's in my sources. 1:00:38.640 --> 1:00:42.520 And they had known each other like kind of, you know, 1:00:42.600 --> 1:00:44.560 peripherally at school, but she knew about her, and she 1:00:44.600 --> 1:00:47.280 wrote this whole article about the whole story and everything 1:00:47.320 --> 1:00:49.600 that went on, and I think tried to portray a 1:00:49.600 --> 1:00:52.840 little bit more of Jennifer's side of things. And they 1:00:52.880 --> 1:00:56.520 went to mary Ward Catholic Secondary School in North Scarborough, 1:00:56.680 --> 1:00:58.800 which she said was a great place for Jennifer because 1:00:59.480 --> 1:01:03.400 at that like academic ambition was like considered cool, like 1:01:03.640 --> 1:01:05.760 being a nerd was cool, but also being a jock 1:01:05.880 --> 1:01:07.800 was cool like everybody. It was very like bohemian and 1:01:07.840 --> 1:01:10.240 everybody was cool, which is wild for a Catholic school. 1:01:10.680 --> 1:01:13.520 But she said, Jennifer was a social butterfly. She got 1:01:13.560 --> 1:01:16.720 along with everybody. She'd been a really great student earlier, 1:01:16.800 --> 1:01:18.960 like maybe in elementary and middle school, but by the 1:01:19.000 --> 1:01:20.560 time she was in ninth grade, she was like a 1:01:20.600 --> 1:01:23.760 C student, and she would forge her report cards and 1:01:23.800 --> 1:01:25.480 make it look like she got straight a's, Like she 1:01:25.680 --> 1:01:28.120 full exact o knife and glue and like would like 1:01:28.200 --> 1:01:32.200 you know, photocopy and make like report cards. So when 1:01:32.240 --> 1:01:34.560 she had eleventh grade, Jennifer met Daniel Wong, who was 1:01:34.600 --> 1:01:36.600 a great ahead of her, and they were in band together, 1:01:36.680 --> 1:01:39.120 and he was this like sort of funny, goofball, easygoing 1:01:39.200 --> 1:01:41.960 kind of guy, and they were just friends until when 1:01:41.960 --> 1:01:44.360 they were on a band trip she had an asthma attack. 1:01:44.480 --> 1:01:46.520 Daniel helped calm her down, and she said, quote, he 1:01:46.560 --> 1:01:48.640 pretty much saved my life, and then they started dating 1:01:48.680 --> 1:01:51.720 that summer. By her senior year in high school, she's 1:01:51.760 --> 1:01:54.280 like making bees, but she's still forging report cards to 1:01:54.320 --> 1:01:56.920 say that she's got all a's. She does get accepted 1:01:56.920 --> 1:02:01.160 early into Ryerson, which is a unif in Canada, but 1:02:01.200 --> 1:02:03.600 then she failed calculus and couldn't graduate high school, and 1:02:03.640 --> 1:02:05.560 so she lost her acceptance there. But she lied to 1:02:05.600 --> 1:02:07.760 her parents and said that she was going to the 1:02:07.800 --> 1:02:09.680 school and that eventually she was going to go on 1:02:09.760 --> 1:02:13.040 and do like a pharmacology study, and that that was 1:02:13.040 --> 1:02:15.160 her dad's dream for her, that she would become a pharmacist. 1:02:15.200 --> 1:02:18.360 I think, And so they've such a funny dream to 1:02:18.400 --> 1:02:19.240 have for somebody. 1:02:20.400 --> 1:02:22.240 It's a cool job, like I have to go to 1:02:22.280 --> 1:02:25.560 the pharmacy today and pick up a prescription. Very grateful 1:02:25.560 --> 1:02:28.360 for pharmacists, But for your dream to be for your 1:02:28.440 --> 1:02:30.760 child to be like hauled up in a little room 1:02:30.760 --> 1:02:33.160 in the back of a of a Walgreens is funny 1:02:33.200 --> 1:02:33.400 to me. 1:02:34.520 --> 1:02:35.959 Of the whole world. 1:02:35.760 --> 1:02:38.840 Like you could like you can work everywhere and anywhere, 1:02:38.880 --> 1:02:40.520 and it's like you better get to the back of 1:02:40.560 --> 1:02:42.520 the CVS to fulfill my house. 1:02:42.560 --> 1:02:45.440 Well, I'm wondering if maybe he like thought she was 1:02:45.480 --> 1:02:47.800 gonna could be wanted wanted her to be a doctor. 1:02:47.880 --> 1:02:50.440 But then does pharmacology require going to medical school or 1:02:50.480 --> 1:02:54.360 just going to pharmacology school. No, it's a long process, Okay, 1:02:54.360 --> 1:02:56.440 Because I was wondering if like, yeah, it is weird 1:02:56.440 --> 1:02:59.680 to specifically be like, yes, pharmacology, I want you in pills, girl, 1:02:59.760 --> 1:03:02.120 this is where you're gonna shine. Like it's weird, but 1:03:02.880 --> 1:03:04.960 that is was like what he wanted her to do. 1:03:05.040 --> 1:03:08.080 So she's like keeping up this ruse. She's fully living 1:03:08.120 --> 1:03:08.400 a lie. 1:03:08.520 --> 1:03:08.919 This girl. 1:03:09.040 --> 1:03:12.720 Okay, she attended a pre orientation program at the school 1:03:12.720 --> 1:03:15.640 even though she is not going there. She's forging loan 1:03:15.680 --> 1:03:18.440 paperwork and telling her dad she's won a scholarship. Like 1:03:18.720 --> 1:03:21.000 she handles everything when her parents have a question about 1:03:21.040 --> 1:03:23.440 like what's going on, And she'd pretend to go to 1:03:23.480 --> 1:03:25.960 school every day. She was actually just going to the 1:03:26.000 --> 1:03:29.160 library doing random research on like science y stuff and 1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:31.760 then taking like notebooks full of notes to like keep 1:03:31.840 --> 1:03:33.560 up with the act in case her dad like asked 1:03:33.560 --> 1:03:36.920 to see her notes. She also started waitressing and teaching 1:03:36.960 --> 1:03:39.640 piano lessons on the side, and her dad would ask 1:03:39.680 --> 1:03:42.440 her about school and this our one article says her 1:03:42.440 --> 1:03:44.400 mom would say just let her be yourself, and like 1:03:44.440 --> 1:03:46.760 would stop, Like so it sounds like a lot of 1:03:46.760 --> 1:03:49.760 the pressure was coming from the dad in what I've read, 1:03:49.800 --> 1:03:51.920 and not as much from the mom. And so she 1:03:52.040 --> 1:03:54.160 kept this up for two years, like the first two 1:03:54.200 --> 1:03:56.240 years of college. Then she told her parents she's been 1:03:56.240 --> 1:03:59.000 accepted into the pharmacology program at the University of Toronto. 1:03:59.280 --> 1:04:01.240 A lie. They're so excited. 1:04:01.600 --> 1:04:04.880 She convinces them that, like the commute is too hard 1:04:04.880 --> 1:04:06.880 and can she go live with her friend for a 1:04:06.880 --> 1:04:08.920 few days a week to like ease up the commute. 1:04:09.160 --> 1:04:10.919 That was a lie as well. She wasn't even going 1:04:10.920 --> 1:04:12.360 to her friend's place. She was going to stay with 1:04:12.480 --> 1:04:14.840 Daniel and his family. And then she would lie to 1:04:14.880 --> 1:04:16.800 his family and say, welly couldn't she have. 1:04:16.960 --> 1:04:20.160 Just like done calculus in summer school, Like I. 1:04:20.240 --> 1:04:22.880 Just I know, but I think it was like they 1:04:22.880 --> 1:04:25.400 would have yeah, instead of waitressing, you could have just 1:04:25.440 --> 1:04:27.120 taken the calculus on the side. But I think it 1:04:27.200 --> 1:04:29.919 was like more psychological than this, And she just built 1:04:30.000 --> 1:04:32.280 up the lie and built up the lie, and so 1:04:33.160 --> 1:04:34.960 she was really going to stay with Daniel. So now 1:04:35.000 --> 1:04:37.640 two more dear years go by and she found someone 1:04:37.680 --> 1:04:39.520 to now it's tempt for her to graduate, and she 1:04:39.600 --> 1:04:42.240 found someone to doctor a transcript of all of A's 1:04:42.800 --> 1:04:44.240 And then she told her parents they couldn't come to 1:04:44.280 --> 1:04:46.480 graduation because like, oh, it's like so many people are graduating. 1:04:46.520 --> 1:04:47.960 They only give us one ticket, and I don't want 1:04:48.000 --> 1:04:49.840 to choose between you two, so I'm just going to 1:04:49.880 --> 1:04:50.640 give it to a friend. 1:04:50.920 --> 1:04:52.160 So they don't go to a graduation. 1:04:52.760 --> 1:04:55.080 And eventually the dad did start to catch on to 1:04:55.160 --> 1:04:57.360 some of the lies, Like eventually she tells them that 1:04:57.400 --> 1:05:00.920 she has this job working at a lab, and he's like, 1:05:00.960 --> 1:05:02.720 why don't you have like a uniform for this lab, 1:05:02.840 --> 1:05:05.000 or like an ID badge or anything that like shows 1:05:05.000 --> 1:05:06.400 that you work at this lab. So one day they 1:05:06.400 --> 1:05:09.160 insisted on driving her to school, I mean school to 1:05:09.200 --> 1:05:12.600 the hospital. He makes the mom follow her into the hospital. 1:05:12.640 --> 1:05:15.080 She sprints into the building and like hides in the 1:05:15.120 --> 1:05:17.479 waiting room, like hides in the er waiting room until 1:05:17.520 --> 1:05:20.439 her parents leave. But they're onto it, so they call 1:05:20.560 --> 1:05:24.200 her roommate, her alleged roommate whose name is Topaz, which 1:05:24.240 --> 1:05:27.040 I love, and Topaz tells them the truth that she's 1:05:27.080 --> 1:05:29.440 not there, and she's like, really, never there, And then 1:05:29.480 --> 1:05:32.520 they confronted Jennifer, who confess that the lab job was 1:05:32.560 --> 1:05:35.720 a lie, and so was the pharmacology program. She still 1:05:35.720 --> 1:05:37.880 didn't tell them that she never graduated high school and 1:05:37.920 --> 1:05:42.160 never attended Ryerson. So she's like half confessing. Her father 1:05:42.280 --> 1:05:44.720 is furious tries to kick her out of the house, 1:05:44.760 --> 1:05:46.840 but the mom like calms them down and gets them to, like, 1:05:46.920 --> 1:05:49.800 you know, walk that back. They take away her cell 1:05:49.840 --> 1:05:51.920 and her computer for two weeks, and at this point, 1:05:52.000 --> 1:05:54.600 she's twenty three years old. By the way, she's like 1:05:54.640 --> 1:05:57.400 twenty three. They make her quit all of her jobs 1:05:57.440 --> 1:05:59.560 except for the teaching piano. They let her do, but 1:05:59.600 --> 1:06:01.440 they keep a strict eye on her. They watch the 1:06:01.480 --> 1:06:03.080 milage in her car to make sure she's like not 1:06:03.120 --> 1:06:04.520 going all the way out to visit Daniel, and they 1:06:04.560 --> 1:06:07.160 say she can't see Daniel anymore. They're watching her like 1:06:07.160 --> 1:06:10.080 a hawk. I guess After this two week period or whatever, 1:06:10.120 --> 1:06:12.200 they eventually ease up. They let her enroll in a 1:06:12.200 --> 1:06:15.080 calculus class so she could finish high school. She also 1:06:15.240 --> 1:06:18.520 keeps secretly visiting Daniel, but he's getting tired of the secrecy. 1:06:18.520 --> 1:06:20.800 He's like, bitch, you're twenty four, Like, can we move on? Like? 1:06:20.840 --> 1:06:23.560 So he breaks up with her and he starts dating 1:06:23.600 --> 1:06:27.560 a woman named Christine. When Jennifer finds out about Christine, 1:06:28.040 --> 1:06:32.000 she tells Daniel two kind of wild stories. One is 1:06:32.040 --> 1:06:34.960 that she was gang raved in the entryway of her 1:06:35.000 --> 1:06:37.800 home by these men who busted in posing as cops. 1:06:38.160 --> 1:06:40.200 And she also said she got a bullet in the mail. 1:06:40.880 --> 1:06:42.960 Neither of these stories are true, and she tells them 1:06:42.960 --> 1:06:45.280 to Daniel because she tells them that these are things 1:06:45.360 --> 1:06:47.960 Christine has done to send her a message like stay 1:06:47.960 --> 1:06:48.800 away from my man. 1:06:49.360 --> 1:06:49.800 Okay. 1:06:50.240 --> 1:06:52.480 So she seems like she's going through a lot psychologically, 1:06:52.560 --> 1:06:55.800 Like at one point she posts on Facebook, quote, no 1:06:55.880 --> 1:06:58.840 one person knows everything about me, and no people, no 1:06:58.920 --> 1:07:02.000 two people put together knows everything about me dot dot dot. 1:07:02.040 --> 1:07:05.000 I like being a mystery end quote. All right, so 1:07:05.480 --> 1:07:08.240 this is what's going on with Jennifer in twenty ten. 1:07:09.080 --> 1:07:11.840 So at this point, yeah, I'm also I'm curious about 1:07:11.840 --> 1:07:16.040 compulsive liars because I've met some. I know some obviously, 1:07:16.200 --> 1:07:19.600 I don't know if it's just intense, but I'm curious 1:07:20.600 --> 1:07:23.960 how that forms or like what happens, yeah, psychologically, like 1:07:24.040 --> 1:07:26.960 what kind of break happens where you just like cannot 1:07:27.000 --> 1:07:27.600 stop lying? 1:07:28.040 --> 1:07:30.800 Yeah yeah yeah, And in this case, I mean, you 1:07:31.560 --> 1:07:34.400 haven't worked for you girl, like, yeah, you got caught. 1:07:34.440 --> 1:07:36.360 I guess they work for years. I don't know. This 1:07:36.440 --> 1:07:37.920 is well, I mean I think you. 1:07:37.840 --> 1:07:39.800 Could argue in this case, that her parents put a 1:07:39.800 --> 1:07:41.680 lot of pressure on her, and that she builds up 1:07:41.720 --> 1:07:44.040 the lies in order to create her unillusion of her 1:07:44.040 --> 1:07:47.480 own success to appease her parents. Yeah, and that it 1:07:47.640 --> 1:07:50.400 just got bigger and bigger and bigger, and like kind 1:07:50.400 --> 1:07:54.760 of just got out of control. So this same year 1:07:54.800 --> 1:07:58.360 twenty ten, that this is all going on, she reconnects 1:07:58.400 --> 1:08:02.560 with an old elementary school friend named Andrew Montemior and 1:08:02.600 --> 1:08:05.560 they commiserate over their parents and he's like, yeah, one 1:08:05.560 --> 1:08:08.320 time I considered killing my dad, And Jennifer was like, WHOA, 1:08:08.360 --> 1:08:09.160 what a great idea. 1:08:09.320 --> 1:08:10.120 I never thought of that. 1:08:10.680 --> 1:08:13.640 Monte Mayor introduces her to this guy named Ricardo Duncan, 1:08:13.640 --> 1:08:16.320 who's quote unquote a goth in many of the readings 1:08:16.320 --> 1:08:19.640 I'm reading, like because he had blackmail Polish and she 1:08:19.720 --> 1:08:21.880 said she gave him fifteen hundred dollars to do it, 1:08:22.040 --> 1:08:24.519 or someone said that she someone said she gave him 1:08:24.520 --> 1:08:26.719 fifteen hundred dollars and that he ghosted her and realized 1:08:26.720 --> 1:08:29.519 she realized she got scammed, but that later he claimed 1:08:29.560 --> 1:08:31.519 He's like, I got offended whend she even asked me 1:08:32.080 --> 1:08:34.439 and I she only ever gave me two hundred dollars 1:08:34.479 --> 1:08:35.639 and it was for like a night that we went 1:08:35.640 --> 1:08:37.479 out and I gave it back to her, So he 1:08:37.560 --> 1:08:38.320 denied it, but who. 1:08:38.240 --> 1:08:39.360 Knows who's telling the truth there. 1:08:39.680 --> 1:08:41.960 So that was like the first attempt she made to 1:08:42.920 --> 1:08:46.720 you know, kill her parents. Now Daniel and Jennifer are 1:08:46.800 --> 1:08:50.200 maybe back together. They're definitely in constant contact, and it's 1:08:50.280 --> 1:08:53.280 very flirty. It's very Amanda Dollins in those text messages, 1:08:53.760 --> 1:08:55.559 and they're coming up with a plan to have a 1:08:55.640 --> 1:08:58.200 hit man kill her parents, like like, let's pay someone 1:08:58.520 --> 1:09:01.200 who's like like a legit hit man, and then let's 1:09:01.200 --> 1:09:03.719 get the five hundred thousand dollars inheritance that she would 1:09:03.720 --> 1:09:06.040 stand to get from her parents' death. 1:09:06.000 --> 1:09:07.479 So that they could start their lives together. 1:09:08.240 --> 1:09:12.280 So Daniel connects Jennifer with this guy named Lenford Crawford 1:09:12.360 --> 1:09:15.519 aka Homeboy. Everybody calls him Homeboy, and Jennifer claims she 1:09:15.520 --> 1:09:17.160 doesn't even know his real name, she only knows him 1:09:17.160 --> 1:09:21.160 as homeboy. Homeboy says it's twenty thousand dollars for a hit, 1:09:21.160 --> 1:09:22.639 but he's going to give her a friends and family 1:09:22.640 --> 1:09:25.080 discount of ten thousand dollars, So he's going to do 1:09:25.160 --> 1:09:27.559 it for ten k and she's going to be paid. 1:09:27.880 --> 1:09:30.120 She's going to pay them out of the inheritance, which 1:09:30.760 --> 1:09:33.479 that's promising a lot. These guys are going on very 1:09:33.479 --> 1:09:35.840 little promise of just like that the money's coming, because 1:09:35.840 --> 1:09:37.719 sometimes I feel like that shit can take a long time. 1:09:38.080 --> 1:09:42.320 But anyway, a few days later, Daniel, after Daniel's helped 1:09:42.360 --> 1:09:45.320 move this whole plan into motion, he tells Jennifer, oh, JK, 1:09:45.479 --> 1:09:50.360 I love Christine. Sorry, and Jennifer in text messages, Jennifer's like, okay, well, 1:09:50.360 --> 1:09:52.519 then call it off with Homeboy and he's like, but 1:09:52.560 --> 1:09:54.439 I thought you wanted this for you and she's like, yeah, 1:09:54.439 --> 1:09:57.240 but I have nowhere to go, and he's like it 1:09:57.320 --> 1:09:58.760 sounds like he was just trying to get out of 1:09:58.760 --> 1:10:02.320 the whole thing. And their texts turned flirty again. So 1:10:02.800 --> 1:10:04.880 who knows what's going on with these two crazy kids. 1:10:05.160 --> 1:10:08.280 So the next week there's a bunch of calls and 1:10:08.320 --> 1:10:12.120 texts between Jennifer, Daniel, and Homeboy, and on the morning 1:10:12.120 --> 1:10:16.360 of November eighth, Homeboy texts Jennifer and says, quote, after work, okay, 1:10:16.400 --> 1:10:17.320 we'll be game time. 1:10:18.240 --> 1:10:18.679 Okay. 1:10:18.960 --> 1:10:22.120 So then that night, the night of November eighth, Jennifer 1:10:22.240 --> 1:10:24.479 was like in her room watching TV Gossip Girl and 1:10:24.520 --> 1:10:26.160 Johny Kate Let's eight it in case you were wondering. 1:10:27.160 --> 1:10:29.400 Her dad Han is reading the Vietnamese news and then 1:10:29.400 --> 1:10:31.719 he goes to bed. Around eight thirty, her mother, Bick, 1:10:31.840 --> 1:10:34.559 was out line dancing and her brother was like away 1:10:34.600 --> 1:10:37.920 at college and wasn't home. And approximately nine thirty, Bick 1:10:38.000 --> 1:10:40.320 comes home from class, gets into her PJ, soaks her 1:10:40.320 --> 1:10:42.200 feet in front of the TV on the main floor. 1:10:42.600 --> 1:10:46.840 At nine thirty five, a guy named David Milvaganaum, who 1:10:46.960 --> 1:10:50.120 is a friend of Homeboys, calls Jennifer and they spoke 1:10:50.160 --> 1:10:53.240 for two minutes. Then Jennifer goes downstairs, says good night 1:10:53.280 --> 1:10:56.160 to her mom, and then, as she later admitted, she 1:10:56.240 --> 1:11:00.479 unlocked the front door, but then she later retracted this admission, 1:11:00.600 --> 1:11:05.160 so but that's the door was open. At ten o two, 1:11:05.520 --> 1:11:08.599 Jennifer allegedly signaled the hitman by like kind of switching 1:11:08.600 --> 1:11:10.800 a light on and off for a certain amount of time, 1:11:11.360 --> 1:11:15.160 and at ten oh five Milvoganam called again. Him and 1:11:15.240 --> 1:11:17.320 Jennifer talked for three and a half minutes. I don't 1:11:17.360 --> 1:11:21.519 know what they're talking about. Moments later, homeboy Milvoganam and 1:11:21.560 --> 1:11:24.639 a third man named Eric Carty walked through the front door, 1:11:24.760 --> 1:11:27.720 all three of them carrying guns. One pointed his gun 1:11:27.760 --> 1:11:30.280 at the mom, while another one ran upstairs and shoved 1:11:30.280 --> 1:11:32.479 a gun in the sleeping father's face and made him 1:11:32.479 --> 1:11:35.479 get out of bed, come downstairs and into the living room, 1:11:35.640 --> 1:11:36.160 and then. 1:11:36.240 --> 1:11:37.920 Upstairs the guy carty. 1:11:38.360 --> 1:11:41.760 He tied Jennifer's arms behind her back using a shoelace. 1:11:42.320 --> 1:11:43.519 I don't know how tight that could be. 1:11:44.040 --> 1:11:46.400 He She gave him twenty five hundred dollars in cash 1:11:46.439 --> 1:11:48.720 and then pointed him to eleven hundred dollars in her 1:11:48.720 --> 1:11:51.360 mother's nightstand, and then they went to the kitchen to 1:11:51.439 --> 1:11:54.280 like start looking for wallets. Meanwhile, in the living room, 1:11:54.320 --> 1:11:56.680 the parents are talking to each other in cantonese. They're like, 1:11:56.920 --> 1:11:59.040 how did they get in? And then father's like, I 1:11:59.080 --> 1:12:01.080 don't know, I was sleeping, and then the hitman tells 1:12:01.120 --> 1:12:04.200 them to shut up, and pistol whips the dad when 1:12:04.240 --> 1:12:07.320 he says that he only has sixty dollars and calls 1:12:07.360 --> 1:12:09.960 him a liar. And then Bick is crying and begging 1:12:09.960 --> 1:12:12.240 them not to hurt Jennifer, like, don't hurt our daughter, 1:12:12.720 --> 1:12:14.759 and then one of them says, this is the quote 1:12:14.840 --> 1:12:17.840 rest assured she is nice and will not be hurt. Ah, 1:12:17.880 --> 1:12:20.439 that doesn't really sound like love language anyone would use, 1:12:20.479 --> 1:12:25.639 but there we go. Carti leads Jennifer back upstairs, ties 1:12:25.680 --> 1:12:29.599 her arm to the banister while Milvaganam and Homeboy take 1:12:29.640 --> 1:12:32.759 the parents downstairs, cover their head with blankets. They shoot 1:12:32.840 --> 1:12:34.960 the father twice, once in the shoulder and once in 1:12:35.000 --> 1:12:37.599 the face. They shoot the mom three times in the head, 1:12:37.680 --> 1:12:41.120 killing her instantly, and then they take off. Jennifer reported 1:12:41.120 --> 1:12:43.080 that she somehow managed to reach her phone in the 1:12:43.080 --> 1:12:45.280 waistband of her pants to call nine one one, even 1:12:45.320 --> 1:12:46.599 though her hands were tied behind. 1:12:46.400 --> 1:12:47.519 Her back, so that's sus. 1:12:48.160 --> 1:12:50.759 She called nine one one frantically yelling help me, please, 1:12:50.800 --> 1:12:52.240 I need help. I don't know where my parents are, 1:12:52.320 --> 1:12:56.160 Please hurry. At the thirty four second mark on the 1:12:56.240 --> 1:12:58.839 nine one one call, you can hear her father moaning 1:12:58.880 --> 1:13:02.040 in the background. He had woken up covered in blood 1:13:02.040 --> 1:13:04.120 with his dead wife next to him, and he had 1:13:04.160 --> 1:13:07.519 like made his way upstairs crawling. Jennifer yelled down, I'm 1:13:07.520 --> 1:13:10.400 calling nine one one or whatever, and then Han stumbles 1:13:10.439 --> 1:13:13.880 outside screaming, and a neighbor sees him, Thank God, on 1:13:13.960 --> 1:13:16.320 his way to work or something. And calls nine one one. 1:13:17.000 --> 1:13:18.920 The police and the ambulance get there. Han gets rushed 1:13:18.920 --> 1:13:22.160 to the hospital. So the police questioned Jennifer and showed 1:13:22.160 --> 1:13:23.960 them basically how she did some kind of search to 1:13:24.000 --> 1:13:26.200 solet move to get these this phone out of her pants. 1:13:26.520 --> 1:13:28.680 And the cops are like very confused by all the 1:13:28.680 --> 1:13:31.240 details of this robbery. They're like, so the keys to 1:13:31.280 --> 1:13:33.559 the Lexus were sitting right there. Why would these dudes 1:13:33.680 --> 1:13:35.679 not take the keys to lexus? If this is a robbery. 1:13:36.160 --> 1:13:38.519 Why didn't they have like a crowbar or some other 1:13:38.560 --> 1:13:41.080 way to access the house, like other than the front door. 1:13:41.439 --> 1:13:43.719 They had no bag to carry any of the stolen 1:13:43.720 --> 1:13:45.640 goods that they were planning to steal. They didn't have 1:13:45.760 --> 1:13:48.320 zip ties or anything they brought to tie up the victims. 1:13:48.360 --> 1:13:50.360 Like even though it's a robbery, it feels like it's 1:13:50.360 --> 1:13:53.160 a murder, and so like that that's the goal of 1:13:53.240 --> 1:13:53.759 the attack. 1:13:54.439 --> 1:13:56.560 And the biggest thing they said is why. 1:13:56.360 --> 1:13:59.040 In God's green earth would they leave a witness to 1:13:59.080 --> 1:14:01.000 their murder of two people? Like why would they not 1:14:01.160 --> 1:14:04.479 kill Jennifer? So the cops decide to tail Jennifer and 1:14:04.520 --> 1:14:06.800 then a few days later, the dad wakes up from 1:14:06.800 --> 1:14:09.840 his coma. He was very fucked up, like there's a 1:14:09.840 --> 1:14:12.160 broken bone near his eye, he's got bullet fragments in 1:14:12.200 --> 1:14:13.839 his face, he's got a shattered neckbone. 1:14:13.880 --> 1:14:14.360 But guess what. 1:14:14.600 --> 1:14:18.160 He remembers everything, And one detail that he remembered was 1:14:18.280 --> 1:14:21.080 Jennifer talking softly to one of the hit man quote 1:14:21.120 --> 1:14:23.920 unquote like a friend, and that she was not tied up. 1:14:24.760 --> 1:14:27.280 And so then they bring Jennifer in for an interview 1:14:27.320 --> 1:14:30.040 and they're basically like the jig is up, and then 1:14:30.040 --> 1:14:32.600 she breaks down, crying and goes but what happens to me? 1:14:33.680 --> 1:14:37.720 So next she tries to convince the cops that this 1:14:37.880 --> 1:14:41.120 was actually a suicide attempt gone awry. She said she 1:14:41.200 --> 1:14:43.760 wanted to die and hired Homeboy to kill her. But 1:14:43.880 --> 1:14:46.960 she said that things had kind of improved very recently 1:14:46.960 --> 1:14:48.840 with her dad and that she called off the hit, 1:14:48.880 --> 1:14:51.000 but that these guys just decided to still kill her 1:14:51.040 --> 1:14:54.800 parents for like a robbery. So by the spring of 1:14:54.840 --> 1:14:57.519 twenty eleven, this whole thing is like pretty much figured out. 1:14:57.520 --> 1:15:01.880 They've charged Daniel Milvagana, I'm Cardi, and Homeboy all with 1:15:01.920 --> 1:15:04.519 first degree murder, attempted murder, and the conspiracy to commit 1:15:04.600 --> 1:15:06.960 murder all the same charges that Jennifer is charged with 1:15:07.040 --> 1:15:09.679 as well. And then this episode comes out in twenty twelve, 1:15:09.720 --> 1:15:12.400 so after all the arrests, but before the trial. The 1:15:12.479 --> 1:15:15.080 trial starts in twenty fourteen, and it goes on for 1:15:15.160 --> 1:15:19.640 ten months. It has two hundred exhibits and fifty witnesses testified, 1:15:19.720 --> 1:15:22.400 so it's like a big ass trial. Jennifer took the 1:15:22.439 --> 1:15:25.400 stand and was on the stand for seven days trying 1:15:25.439 --> 1:15:29.400 to explain away all these texts with Daniel and these guys, 1:15:29.880 --> 1:15:32.800 and she tried to convince the jury like, yes, I 1:15:32.920 --> 1:15:34.880 ordered the hit in August, but then I didn't want 1:15:34.920 --> 1:15:37.800 to do it when November came around, and she said, 1:15:38.240 --> 1:15:40.439 she said on the stand quote, I needed my family 1:15:40.479 --> 1:15:42.280 to be around me. I wanted them to accept me. 1:15:42.400 --> 1:15:44.120 I didn't want to live alone. I didn't want them 1:15:44.120 --> 1:15:47.559 to abandon me either. So this is a girl who, 1:15:47.760 --> 1:15:50.120 like her own lawyer, described her as having the social 1:15:50.160 --> 1:15:52.960 skills of a teenager, like I feel like she just 1:15:53.080 --> 1:15:54.679 didn't know how to grow up. But her parents also 1:15:54.680 --> 1:15:56.840 didn't like let her grow up. They like never let 1:15:56.920 --> 1:15:59.640 her go away with a friend, They never let her 1:15:59.680 --> 1:16:02.320 do any thing on her own, Like everything was so strict, 1:16:02.800 --> 1:16:06.480 and so she's like, my family's suffocating me under their expectations, 1:16:06.479 --> 1:16:08.800 but also what can I even do without them? 1:16:09.040 --> 1:16:10.160 Like she's feels. 1:16:10.280 --> 1:16:13.640 I think that's like what kind of propelled her to 1:16:13.640 --> 1:16:15.479 build all these lies and then eventually get to this 1:16:15.600 --> 1:16:17.679 point where she didn't want her lies exposed? 1:16:18.320 --> 1:16:20.760 So she's a psychopath. I don't feel bad for her. 1:16:21.120 --> 1:16:23.960 Yeah, she would have, well somebody else like this amount 1:16:24.000 --> 1:16:27.559 of she's stone cold. Yeah, this is a stone cold 1:16:27.600 --> 1:16:31.000 woman like Emmy in the in the show. I feel 1:16:31.000 --> 1:16:32.280 for her. I feel bad. I don't want to go 1:16:32.439 --> 1:16:34.880 to jail. I don't want the babysitters this. These parents 1:16:34.920 --> 1:16:39.200 are terrible this. I'm like, well, God, this bitch is away. 1:16:39.280 --> 1:16:40.280 I mean, we'll see the other. 1:16:40.600 --> 1:16:43.000 The other reason I agree, I agree with you pretty much. 1:16:43.600 --> 1:16:45.680 I do find like whatever, I think the pressures of 1:16:45.720 --> 1:16:48.240 the parents added to it. But the mom seemed it 1:16:48.280 --> 1:16:50.160 seems like in through everything I've read, the mom didn't 1:16:50.200 --> 1:16:52.080 do anything. So if you want to kill your dad, 1:16:52.160 --> 1:16:54.280 kill your fucking dad, you killed your mom because then 1:16:54.280 --> 1:16:57.280 you get the money, you know, if your mom lives, 1:16:57.920 --> 1:17:00.800 you don't get the money, you know, until she dies. 1:17:01.360 --> 1:17:03.280 So it's like she wanted the money. She wanted to 1:17:03.320 --> 1:17:05.479 start her life with Daniel and was madly in love 1:17:05.479 --> 1:17:06.479 with him, and like. 1:17:06.439 --> 1:17:08.720 That was so you're right, and obviously I know that 1:17:08.760 --> 1:17:11.439 the parents suffocated her and like she might have not 1:17:11.560 --> 1:17:15.719 learned life skills. But it's like you're in You're already 1:17:15.720 --> 1:17:17.639 in your twenty. It was like you could have moved 1:17:17.640 --> 1:17:19.960 in with Daniel. You could have used your waitressing money. 1:17:20.080 --> 1:17:23.599 Like there, I am just like this. If she didn't 1:17:23.640 --> 1:17:25.560 kill her parents, she would have killed someone else. She 1:17:25.560 --> 1:17:27.800 would have lied about something like she does not care 1:17:27.840 --> 1:17:30.040 about human like I do not think she cares. 1:17:30.240 --> 1:17:31.639 I don't think she has human emotions. 1:17:33.000 --> 1:17:34.840 Yeah, that was the other thing too, And a lot 1:17:34.880 --> 1:17:37.760 of the coverage they found like her to be very emotionless, 1:17:37.760 --> 1:17:41.240 but she had said like that she was used to 1:17:41.240 --> 1:17:43.640 putting on like what she called her happy mask, to 1:17:43.800 --> 1:17:46.200 like for her parents to like act like everything was okay, 1:17:46.240 --> 1:17:48.599 and then behind that, like behind closed door, she would 1:17:48.600 --> 1:17:50.639 like be upset and crying and like feeling emotions. 1:17:50.680 --> 1:17:51.760 But I don't know. 1:17:52.240 --> 1:17:56.760 I will say that when the guilty verdict was delivered, 1:17:56.800 --> 1:17:59.360 she showed no emotion, but then once the press left, 1:17:59.520 --> 1:18:01.120 she was aching and bawling. 1:18:01.760 --> 1:18:03.439 So Okay, I don't know. 1:18:04.040 --> 1:18:06.440 So she got so there's something for her that's performative 1:18:06.439 --> 1:18:08.240 about other people and what other people are going to 1:18:08.280 --> 1:18:10.320 see and like the success other people expect from you, 1:18:10.439 --> 1:18:13.720 or something that like I don't know. So she got 1:18:13.720 --> 1:18:16.000 an automatic life sentence with no chance of parole for 1:18:16.040 --> 1:18:18.800 twenty five years for the murder of her mother, and 1:18:18.840 --> 1:18:20.559 then for the attempted murder of her father, she got 1:18:20.560 --> 1:18:25.080 another life sentence to be served Concurrently, Daniel Milvaganam and 1:18:25.680 --> 1:18:28.920 Homeboy each received the exact same sentence. Carti's trial got 1:18:28.960 --> 1:18:32.000 postponed due to a sick lawyer, and in twenty fifteen 1:18:32.760 --> 1:18:36.720 he got an eighteen year sentence after pleading guilty. He 1:18:36.760 --> 1:18:39.080 pled guilty. Everyone else pled not guilty. He did not 1:18:39.160 --> 1:18:42.000 want to put the father through another trial, and so 1:18:42.479 --> 1:18:46.920 he got eighteen years for pleading guilty to conspiring to 1:18:46.920 --> 1:18:49.679 commit murder, with an eligibility for parole after nine years. 1:18:49.720 --> 1:18:51.400 Also because I think Carti wasn't one of the ones 1:18:51.400 --> 1:18:53.040 who went down and actually shot at the parents. He 1:18:53.080 --> 1:18:55.320 had Jennifer upstairs, so maybe that's why he got like 1:18:55.479 --> 1:18:57.599 a bit of a lighter sentence. He did die in jail, 1:18:57.680 --> 1:19:00.400 so he is no longer with us, but I was. 1:19:00.680 --> 1:19:03.120 You know, I'm glad he committed. I'm glad he entered 1:19:03.120 --> 1:19:05.280 a guilty police so that this poor old man would 1:19:05.280 --> 1:19:08.160 not have to go through another trial. The judge at 1:19:08.200 --> 1:19:11.600 the sentencing of Jennifer ordered no communication between her and 1:19:11.600 --> 1:19:14.240 her family at the family's request, so basically she can 1:19:14.280 --> 1:19:16.280 never talk to her brother and father again unless they 1:19:16.720 --> 1:19:19.799 remove that order. She's also forbidden from talking to Daniel. 1:19:20.439 --> 1:19:24.160 The father's victim impact statement said, quote, when I lost 1:19:24.200 --> 1:19:26.120 my wife, I lost my daughter at the same time. 1:19:26.200 --> 1:19:28.400 I don't feel like I have a family anymore. Some 1:19:28.439 --> 1:19:30.080 say I should feel lucky to be alive, but I 1:19:30.080 --> 1:19:32.040 feel like I am dead too. I hope my daughter 1:19:32.120 --> 1:19:34.040 Jennifer thinks about what has happened to her family and 1:19:34.080 --> 1:19:36.120 can become a good, honest person someday. 1:19:36.840 --> 1:19:40.000 End quote. I mean, you do have a son, but anyway, 1:19:40.720 --> 1:19:41.360 it's horrible. 1:19:41.400 --> 1:19:43.639 This man, like this poor man, he can't work because 1:19:43.680 --> 1:19:46.400 of his injuries. He has anxiety attacks, insomnia, and nightmares. 1:19:46.439 --> 1:19:48.200 He's in constant pain. He's given up on all the 1:19:48.240 --> 1:19:50.719 things that brought him joy, like gardening and working on cars. 1:19:51.200 --> 1:19:53.040 He lives with he can't live in his house. 1:19:52.880 --> 1:19:55.000 Anymore because of the memories, and so he lives nearby 1:19:55.000 --> 1:19:56.880 with relatives. He's trying to sell the house, but no 1:19:56.920 --> 1:19:59.839 one will buy it because there's been like this public 1:20:00.160 --> 1:20:04.240 home invasion and all of these people, all of the men, 1:20:05.040 --> 1:20:08.360 and Jennifer will be eligible for parole in twenty thirty five. 1:20:08.800 --> 1:20:11.519 Jennifer will be forty nine, Daniel will be fifty. If 1:20:11.520 --> 1:20:13.599 they get parole. Who knows if they will. I don't 1:20:13.640 --> 1:20:16.800 know how Canada does their parole. And people, you know, 1:20:17.000 --> 1:20:19.200 still wonder if Jennifer had meant to illness. Her lawyer 1:20:19.240 --> 1:20:22.360 did not present any kind of mental illness defense at 1:20:22.360 --> 1:20:26.000 her trial, but people speculate, there's all kinds of speculations 1:20:26.040 --> 1:20:27.439 for peop who knew her in high school, that her 1:20:27.479 --> 1:20:29.840 parents pushed her too hard and treated her like shit, 1:20:29.880 --> 1:20:32.560 and that her lies just snowballed until she lost control. 1:20:32.720 --> 1:20:36.599 And according to the South China Morning Posts, this was 1:20:36.760 --> 1:20:40.160 this whole event sent shockwaves across Canada and the Asian diaspora. 1:20:40.479 --> 1:20:42.160 That's a quote about the shockwaves. 1:20:43.200 --> 1:20:46.360 So in the Asian community, it was like, oh my god, 1:20:46.400 --> 1:20:49.120 like your child, the child killing, having her parents killed 1:20:49.200 --> 1:20:52.160 was like, you know, this huge story that really everybody 1:20:52.200 --> 1:20:55.280 was talking about. And I did read this one piece 1:20:55.320 --> 1:20:59.280 in Northwest Asian Weekly that was a maybe lightly in 1:20:59.320 --> 1:21:03.320 defense of her. It's said quote the idea of recognizing 1:21:03.360 --> 1:21:05.880 that the mental and psychological symptoms that parenting may have 1:21:05.920 --> 1:21:07.520 gone too far in the panhousehold. 1:21:07.880 --> 1:21:12.880 So but that is that on Jennifer Panie. 1:21:12.960 --> 1:21:17.760 She gives me Casey Anthony vibes in terms of her lying. Yeah, 1:21:18.160 --> 1:21:21.040 where it's like you know, where they go to Universal 1:21:21.120 --> 1:21:25.120 or Disney and like through the offices and like same here, 1:21:25.200 --> 1:21:28.200 like taking to the er not admitting it sooner. 1:21:28.080 --> 1:21:31.120 Like the lies just got too big. This is bad. 1:21:31.160 --> 1:21:33.680 I feel so horrible for these parents. 1:21:33.920 --> 1:21:34.160 I know. 1:21:34.320 --> 1:21:37.120 And it's like she could have moved in with Daniel, 1:21:37.200 --> 1:21:39.519 but I think she was scared to leave her parents. 1:21:39.640 --> 1:21:41.719 Like I think that that wouldn't even feel like an option, 1:21:42.160 --> 1:21:45.559 like of her leaving her parents. Yeah, no, I think 1:21:45.680 --> 1:21:50.120 murder is better. It's it's definitely not. But I think 1:21:50.160 --> 1:21:52.280 that she thought this is a way where it's like 1:21:52.360 --> 1:21:54.840 out of my hands, Like I don't, you know, I 1:21:54.840 --> 1:21:58.320 don't know the things people like convince themselves are wild. 1:21:58.640 --> 1:22:01.439 Yeah, but it's just so fucking sad, dude. 1:22:02.880 --> 1:22:05.000 But you know, what's not sad The guests we have 1:22:05.080 --> 1:22:07.880 coming up. Oh, people are gonna lose their minds. 1:22:07.600 --> 1:22:11.160 Absolutely lose your minds. Please gather yourself together and prepare 1:22:11.200 --> 1:22:23.880 yourself for our guest. Listen, guys, it's guest time. And 1:22:23.920 --> 1:22:27.160 this is, without exaggeration, one of the most important podcasting 1:22:27.200 --> 1:22:29.600 events of the twenty first century. I'm not going to 1:22:29.640 --> 1:22:32.479 list credits because you don't need them. Our guest needs 1:22:32.479 --> 1:22:36.120 no introduction. From twenty eleven to twenty twenty two, she 1:22:36.160 --> 1:22:40.280 played Detective Amanda Rollins. Because we got to talk to 1:22:40.360 --> 1:22:44.519 the amazing Kelly Giddish and here it is Kelly. 1:22:44.920 --> 1:22:48.640 We are beyond thrilled. I feel like Barbara Walters and 1:22:48.680 --> 1:22:52.360 we got an exclusive like, well. 1:22:52.240 --> 1:22:54.479 Thank you, We're really excited to talk to you. 1:22:54.640 --> 1:22:58.200 And and hard to choose an episode had we have 1:22:58.240 --> 1:22:59.600 emotional arcs. 1:22:59.600 --> 1:23:02.160 Well, thank you for choosing now. And I just watched 1:23:02.160 --> 1:23:04.800 it as I was working out just now and it's 1:23:04.840 --> 1:23:08.760 so heartbreaking that episode. Yeah, so thank you, thank you 1:23:08.840 --> 1:23:11.519 for suggesting that when it was in my first season 1:23:12.439 --> 1:23:16.519 and it's it's a it's a really brutal one. 1:23:17.760 --> 1:23:22.920 So yeah, your first season thirteen, what like, what how 1:23:23.000 --> 1:23:25.080 did the how did the Dick Wolf journey begin for 1:23:25.120 --> 1:23:27.519 you because I know my name is Kara. You played 1:23:27.520 --> 1:23:30.320 a character named Kara as a victim earlier in the 1:23:30.360 --> 1:23:33.360 season in the in Your In you know, I don't 1:23:33.360 --> 1:23:35.320 remember what season that was, but I don't need it, 1:23:36.080 --> 1:23:39.600 but yeah, did they just like bring you in for 1:23:39.680 --> 1:23:43.639 this new character? Like what was the whole audition process 1:23:43.680 --> 1:23:45.120 and chemistry tests and what? 1:23:45.320 --> 1:23:47.280 Well, So I've gotten a couple of shows where I 1:23:47.320 --> 1:23:49.160 was the lead on, like I did a lead I 1:23:49.160 --> 1:23:51.559 did a show on Fox and written by David Hudgens 1:23:51.560 --> 1:23:53.799 who did Friday Night Wives. It was an awesome experience. 1:23:54.080 --> 1:23:57.519 Last seven episodes. Okay, So then I get another I 1:23:57.560 --> 1:24:01.080 get another series called Chase and it's Jerry Brookheimer produced, 1:24:01.080 --> 1:24:02.280 and I was like, oh my god, and I get 1:24:02.320 --> 1:24:04.360 to do all these stunts and live in Texas and 1:24:04.600 --> 1:24:07.799 wear cowboy boots. And then it was canceled after one season. 1:24:08.479 --> 1:24:11.800 So my heart was completely broken. But I get this 1:24:11.840 --> 1:24:16.960 phone call saying, hey, Chris Maloney is leaving and Warren 1:24:17.080 --> 1:24:22.439 Light is taking over the Helm of SVU and you 1:24:22.479 --> 1:24:25.760 know he knows you, and would you like to come 1:24:25.800 --> 1:24:27.679 in for a meeting and just see what it's about. 1:24:27.760 --> 1:24:29.599 And I was like, yeah, So I went in and 1:24:29.600 --> 1:24:32.880 I met I met some higher ups in the Dick 1:24:32.920 --> 1:24:35.760 Wolf world, Peter Jenkowski, and that meeting went great. And 1:24:35.760 --> 1:24:38.200 then I had a phone call with Warren and you know, 1:24:38.200 --> 1:24:39.519 they were like, would you like to come out and 1:24:39.560 --> 1:24:41.800 test for this? And you know, I was in la 1:24:41.880 --> 1:24:43.960 I was living in a three bedroom house and to 1:24:44.080 --> 1:24:46.519 Penga Canyon with just me and Franny, you know, like 1:24:47.280 --> 1:24:49.559 never shut the front door. I was just like living 1:24:49.680 --> 1:24:52.400 like that. And I was like, wow, the possibility of 1:24:52.439 --> 1:24:55.920 coming back to New York and being on this already 1:24:56.320 --> 1:25:00.559 iconic show. So I said, yeah, I'll come out and test. 1:25:00.680 --> 1:25:03.000 And so I went and I I did a scene 1:25:03.040 --> 1:25:05.479 with Marushka, and I think that they they were like, 1:25:05.520 --> 1:25:07.960 can you can you? Can you ramp it up? You know? 1:25:08.000 --> 1:25:11.439 And I was like yeah, sure, you know, you know, 1:25:11.520 --> 1:25:14.040 and so we Dick was there and Warren was there 1:25:14.120 --> 1:25:20.040 and the whole company and and it was, you know, 1:25:21.120 --> 1:25:23.519 it was easy to act with Marushka. We had an 1:25:23.560 --> 1:25:25.800 easy time with it. And I got the call that 1:25:25.840 --> 1:25:29.040 I had it. So I packed up my whole house 1:25:29.080 --> 1:25:31.680 and you know, I was finishing up a film that 1:25:31.680 --> 1:25:34.280 that first day on set was hilarious because I I 1:25:34.280 --> 1:25:36.559 had gotten killed the night before in La doing this 1:25:36.680 --> 1:25:39.640 film by Gina Gershawan. I had like fake blood in 1:25:39.640 --> 1:25:41.640 my hair. I had to take a trailer shower, you know, 1:25:41.800 --> 1:25:45.000 like with terrible like pressure coming out of the And 1:25:45.040 --> 1:25:47.040 so I show up to set and take a red 1:25:47.040 --> 1:25:49.840 eye from LA to New York and like I'm here 1:25:50.560 --> 1:25:52.479 and I got I go to set. I do my 1:25:52.560 --> 1:25:55.840 scene with Iced Tea and he was like you do 1:25:55.960 --> 1:25:58.240 you boo? And I was like okay, great, And I 1:25:58.880 --> 1:26:01.599 rushed across town to do a bidding with the Good Wife. 1:26:02.040 --> 1:26:04.519 So it was like a whirlwind of a start. 1:26:04.640 --> 1:26:05.880 And did you know you nailed it? 1:26:05.960 --> 1:26:08.360 Like you were there with in the read with Marishka, 1:26:08.439 --> 1:26:10.680 and did you kind of leave being like we crushed it? 1:26:11.280 --> 1:26:14.360 Yeah? I think, I mean I felt great about it. Yeah. Yeah. 1:26:14.400 --> 1:26:17.759 But you know, it's like it's based on so many 1:26:17.840 --> 1:26:20.559 other things, you know, other than you know. I mean, 1:26:20.600 --> 1:26:23.040 there's there's a spark that happens I think that the 1:26:23.080 --> 1:26:25.439 people respond to in a test or whatever when you're 1:26:25.439 --> 1:26:28.040 going out for a role. But if there had been 1:26:28.040 --> 1:26:30.280 another girl on the show that had blonde hair with 1:26:30.320 --> 1:26:32.920 a southern accent, I probably wouldn't have gotten high, right, 1:26:33.280 --> 1:26:34.680 you know what I mean. It's just like there's so 1:26:34.760 --> 1:26:37.000 much else that goes into it. But as it was, 1:26:37.160 --> 1:26:40.719 you know, the chemistry was there, and I was ready 1:26:40.720 --> 1:26:43.040 willing and able to jump on a Dick Wolf show 1:26:43.120 --> 1:26:45.400 that had been on for over a decade already. 1:26:45.479 --> 1:26:48.400 Were was it nerve wrecking because Maloney was so beloved? 1:26:48.439 --> 1:26:51.639 Were the fans like, was that a wild time? Season thirteen? 1:26:51.880 --> 1:26:54.560 Like starting off and having the like did that? Was 1:26:54.600 --> 1:26:56.320 there pressure? Did you feel any pressure? 1:26:56.560 --> 1:27:00.760 Well? I gave all the pressure to Danny Pino. I 1:27:00.920 --> 1:27:04.080 just handed all that off. They said, Okay, it's it's 1:27:04.160 --> 1:27:06.880 yours to handle. You've done Network TV. You know, he'd 1:27:06.880 --> 1:27:09.479 been on Cold Case for years and he was the 1:27:09.479 --> 1:27:13.080 man coming in, you know, he had I felt he 1:27:13.200 --> 1:27:15.519 had all the shoes to fill. You know. 1:27:15.800 --> 1:27:18.000 Well, you mentioned in the audition that you guys ramped 1:27:18.000 --> 1:27:19.719 it up. And something that we talk a lot about 1:27:19.720 --> 1:27:22.520 the podcast is you guys, you and Murushka in particular, 1:27:22.880 --> 1:27:25.920 are so good at getting like wet eyes, like or 1:27:26.000 --> 1:27:30.000 like one little trail like it's just so impressive. 1:27:30.640 --> 1:27:32.920 And how do you guy, how do you. 1:27:32.880 --> 1:27:35.120 Personally get yourself to cry or how do you plan like, 1:27:35.439 --> 1:27:36.880 I'm not gonna let the tears drop. 1:27:36.920 --> 1:27:38.320 I'm just gonna have wet eyes. 1:27:40.640 --> 1:27:44.559 I don't plan any of that. Have you seen the show? 1:27:44.600 --> 1:27:48.280 Have you seen what it's about? Have you seen to 1:27:48.360 --> 1:27:52.720 listen to and imagine? You know, it's about such, It's 1:27:52.720 --> 1:27:56.439 about people doing the worst possible things to other people, 1:27:57.160 --> 1:28:00.960 and if you just imagine the situation being there, it's 1:28:01.040 --> 1:28:03.160 you know, it's I don't know about crying or any 1:28:03.160 --> 1:28:06.360 of that, but the emotion and and then your heart 1:28:06.439 --> 1:28:10.080 rate and like, you know, it's all there, like you 1:28:10.120 --> 1:28:12.960 have a a visceral response to it. 1:28:13.320 --> 1:28:13.559 Yeah. 1:28:13.600 --> 1:28:16.000 I mean I felt like in this one, specifically in 1:28:16.040 --> 1:28:18.840 Home Invasions, where you're like you're still kind of the 1:28:18.880 --> 1:28:21.720 new gal and now you have this big secret, and 1:28:21.760 --> 1:28:25.000 I you know that you really felt that like stress 1:28:25.040 --> 1:28:26.680 for me when he when Finn is like, you got 1:28:26.720 --> 1:28:29.640 to tell the captain and you're like, like you know, 1:28:30.120 --> 1:28:30.599 And I. 1:28:30.600 --> 1:28:32.800 Was just watching it and I was like, and there's 1:28:32.840 --> 1:28:34.320 a moment where he's like, you know, you got to 1:28:34.320 --> 1:28:36.160 still take care of this, and I was like yeah, 1:28:36.200 --> 1:28:37.760 and then I start to walk off and then I 1:28:37.760 --> 1:28:40.760 go Finn, and I was like, what is she gonna say? Like, 1:28:42.479 --> 1:28:45.679 what can she possibly say right now? And then Rolin 1:28:45.840 --> 1:28:47.760 just said thanks, and I was like, okay, all right, 1:28:47.800 --> 1:28:49.400 because I thought you were going to give him back 1:28:49.439 --> 1:28:51.160 talk and I'm like, girl, you got to get your 1:28:51.160 --> 1:28:54.120 ass in the in the Captain's office and come clean. 1:28:54.200 --> 1:28:57.880 I don't know what else you got to say. So yeah, 1:28:57.880 --> 1:29:00.240 that was that was crazy. And then it's time me 1:29:00.240 --> 1:29:03.600 flan again and that was just so much. It was 1:29:03.760 --> 1:29:06.080 so much fun, you know, being able to play that, 1:29:06.280 --> 1:29:12.160 and it's watching rewatching that episode. It just maybe miss 1:29:12.280 --> 1:29:16.519 Dan Florick so so so I know, I love love him. 1:29:16.920 --> 1:29:20.719 And then was the storyline with you and Finn always 1:29:20.760 --> 1:29:23.280 there or was it like your connection with Iced Tea 1:29:23.280 --> 1:29:25.320 that kind of built upon it? But you guys seemed 1:29:25.479 --> 1:29:28.360 to have like a chemistry right from the beginning. 1:29:29.280 --> 1:29:31.040 Well, you know, you mentioned I was a guest star 1:29:31.240 --> 1:29:35.360 on SVU before I got the Rollins role, and I 1:29:35.439 --> 1:29:39.439 played Kara and all of my scenes were with iced 1:29:39.439 --> 1:29:44.280 Tea in that episode. Me and him just just get along, 1:29:44.439 --> 1:29:47.200 you know what I mean. It's like it's just we, Yes, 1:29:47.280 --> 1:29:50.000 we do get along. Yes, there was always chemistry, and 1:29:50.040 --> 1:29:53.000 it's a very deep sweetness that he has that I 1:29:53.040 --> 1:29:56.400 think comes across in his relationship with Rollins and also 1:29:56.520 --> 1:29:59.120 later with other characters. But I think he he has 1:29:59.160 --> 1:30:02.559 a natural tenants to take, you know, take the young'uns 1:30:02.680 --> 1:30:05.400 under his wing a little bit without getting too much 1:30:05.400 --> 1:30:08.720 in their business, you know, just going I'm here for 1:30:08.800 --> 1:30:11.920 you, you know, like try and do the right thing. Yeah, 1:30:12.080 --> 1:30:14.160 I think it was. It was just a natural kind 1:30:14.160 --> 1:30:17.599 of division, to be honest as well, because they were 1:30:17.600 --> 1:30:20.640 seeing Danny with Marushka and me with ice you know, 1:30:20.680 --> 1:30:23.280 it's kind of a natural pair of do. 1:30:23.240 --> 1:30:26.160 You have like a favorite ice cold fact that iced 1:30:26.160 --> 1:30:27.080 Tea's ever told you? 1:30:27.320 --> 1:30:28.759 Oh, there's so many. 1:30:29.000 --> 1:30:31.000 We talked to dian neal and she was like Icedy 1:30:31.160 --> 1:30:33.720 always told me like get your own money, like make 1:30:33.760 --> 1:30:36.160 sure the checks are coming to you, sign your own checks. 1:30:36.200 --> 1:30:37.920 And I was like, that's really good advice. 1:30:38.280 --> 1:30:40.120 Well, I was wondering if there was one that sticks 1:30:40.120 --> 1:30:42.120 in your head about just with money. 1:30:42.520 --> 1:30:46.320 It makes me think of don't count the boss's money, 1:30:46.600 --> 1:30:50.519 you know, my excellent advice. You know you worry about you, 1:30:50.520 --> 1:30:54.320 you don't worry about right. And another one is life 1:30:54.320 --> 1:30:57.679 doesn't get any easier. We just get better at doing 1:30:57.800 --> 1:31:03.919 harder things. Wow, But every day you guys. You don't understand. 1:31:03.960 --> 1:31:05.920 It was every day. It was my biggest regret that 1:31:05.960 --> 1:31:08.439 I didn't write and then keep just an iced tea 1:31:08.479 --> 1:31:10.240 journal on my desk to be like. 1:31:10.479 --> 1:31:13.160 It is table book. There needs to be a table 1:31:13.200 --> 1:31:16.200 book of like iced tea quotes. It's like begging to 1:31:16.240 --> 1:31:16.639 be made. 1:31:17.200 --> 1:31:17.760 Yes, it is. 1:31:18.400 --> 1:31:21.599 And I also really loved we made a collage for 1:31:21.640 --> 1:31:23.640 your final episode last week. So I was we were 1:31:23.640 --> 1:31:25.880 going through all these photos and there's a really cute 1:31:25.920 --> 1:31:29.040 one of you and Coco and your baby and you 1:31:29.080 --> 1:31:31.439 guys like pregnant at the same time and stuff, and 1:31:31.560 --> 1:31:32.360 I just love that. 1:31:32.840 --> 1:31:35.120 It seems like you guys are all really tight. 1:31:35.800 --> 1:31:37.720 Yeah, it was. It was such a It was such 1:31:37.760 --> 1:31:42.760 a beautiful set, especially before COVID. You know, like we 1:31:43.200 --> 1:31:46.880 had kids and dogs running around, and Coco was there 1:31:46.960 --> 1:31:49.800 all the time, and like I would go hang out 1:31:49.800 --> 1:31:53.080 with her and it was it was such a beautiful, 1:31:53.240 --> 1:31:54.639 beautiful place to go to work. 1:31:55.360 --> 1:31:55.599 Yeah. 1:31:55.600 --> 1:31:57.240 Well, another thing that's beautiful. 1:31:57.920 --> 1:32:01.640 You're messy up dudes, and you're outerwear is something we 1:32:01.680 --> 1:32:02.439 talk about a lot. 1:32:02.560 --> 1:32:04.680 I can understand why I'm going to say I'm going 1:32:04.720 --> 1:32:07.800 to accept that and just be like I I know 1:32:07.840 --> 1:32:10.160 what you mean, but I appreciate the appreciation for the 1:32:10.200 --> 1:32:16.479 messy up dudes because you know it's I do. I 1:32:16.520 --> 1:32:19.439 just appreciate that that you guys noticing that. 1:32:19.800 --> 1:32:21.600 Yeah, I mean I feel like tops. 1:32:21.960 --> 1:32:25.599 Yeah, well this season, like thirteen, like when you're looking 1:32:25.640 --> 1:32:27.400 at this episode and stuff, it was just a lot 1:32:27.400 --> 1:32:28.960 of kind of like your hair down and a little 1:32:28.960 --> 1:32:31.160 bit more like playing, and then as it moves on, 1:32:31.240 --> 1:32:34.600 it's like she's getting a long, gorgeous pea code, a 1:32:34.640 --> 1:32:38.000 messy upd like just your your style was really evolving. 1:32:38.320 --> 1:32:40.200 I don't know if it was like she was making 1:32:40.240 --> 1:32:43.280 more money with the department or whatever, but the style 1:32:43.360 --> 1:32:44.160 was really evolving. 1:32:45.920 --> 1:32:50.639 Yeah, the outer the outerwear for Robins, I've got serious envy. Four. 1:32:50.880 --> 1:32:54.599 I ended up buying buying copies of few codes because 1:32:54.720 --> 1:32:56.719 I just had to. I was like, these are so great, 1:32:56.760 --> 1:33:00.960 I have to have it. And yeah, the messy up 1:33:01.040 --> 1:33:04.960 dudes were kind of I can't sit sit still for 1:33:05.080 --> 1:33:08.200 that long and hair and makeup like I was like, okay, 1:33:08.200 --> 1:33:10.400 it was over this episode, let's just throw it up. Okay. 1:33:10.680 --> 1:33:13.600 So hair makeup takes seven minutes instead of instead of 1:33:13.640 --> 1:33:16.759 like forty five, So that was kind of a product 1:33:16.800 --> 1:33:17.080 of that. 1:33:18.000 --> 1:33:21.120 Oh that makes sense, so you have something. 1:33:21.520 --> 1:33:24.120 Plus right, But she's also you know she's a cop 1:33:24.160 --> 1:33:27.040 and you know she's it's like right, it makes it 1:33:27.080 --> 1:33:30.360 makes sense that she doesn't have perfectly straight you know 1:33:30.640 --> 1:33:36.120 koit hair, Yeah, koift? Is it quoift or cock quafftf coffing. 1:33:37.240 --> 1:33:39.479 Karen's good at that. I don't know where because it's 1:33:39.479 --> 1:33:43.040 from French, but we'll wait. Speaking of fashions, we want 1:33:43.040 --> 1:33:46.479 to talk about the dress, the wedding dress. Obviously we 1:33:46.640 --> 1:33:48.840 just you know, we we got a peak of it 1:33:48.920 --> 1:33:51.840 before because you know, people release the photos and then 1:33:52.160 --> 1:33:54.519 we saw you in this dress. Did you get to 1:33:54.640 --> 1:33:57.360 have any input into this or do you just let 1:33:58.520 --> 1:33:59.800 costume people do their thing? 1:34:00.439 --> 1:34:03.760 No? Of course, of course I had input, But I said, 1:34:03.920 --> 1:34:08.000 I say the costume designer, Chris Anne. I sent her 1:34:08.040 --> 1:34:10.240 a few dresses and she was like, oh, wonderful, great, 1:34:10.280 --> 1:34:12.400 great grace. So she got them, and she also had 1:34:12.400 --> 1:34:14.920 a few that she had picked out, and I went 1:34:14.960 --> 1:34:17.080 in for the fitting and I was like, what is 1:34:17.200 --> 1:34:21.000 this And she had bought one and it was that dress. 1:34:21.040 --> 1:34:22.519 I tried it on. It was the first one I 1:34:22.560 --> 1:34:24.360 tried on, and I go, I think we found it 1:34:25.960 --> 1:34:28.640 so that because they know my style. I like the 1:34:28.800 --> 1:34:32.280 I like big sleeves and like I like the I 1:34:32.320 --> 1:34:34.599 thought it was I thought it was very fitting to 1:34:34.640 --> 1:34:40.320 have like something very plain and matt But but you know, 1:34:40.320 --> 1:34:43.840 because it's just a courthouse wedding, right something, it just 1:34:43.880 --> 1:34:45.439 seemed very rawlins to me. 1:34:45.960 --> 1:34:47.800 I like to imagine what she's going to wear to 1:34:47.840 --> 1:34:51.800 the Staten Island wedding. Yeah, you know, and that the 1:34:51.840 --> 1:34:54.280 mom's gonna, like Sara Fina CARESI is going to have 1:34:54.320 --> 1:34:56.360 more of an input and be like, there's not enough. 1:34:56.560 --> 1:34:58.839 It needs to be bigger. I want more of a veil. 1:34:59.240 --> 1:35:03.120 There's a feel, there's extra hair, there's a train. 1:35:04.479 --> 1:35:08.320 Oh god, I think there's a chocolate. 1:35:10.880 --> 1:35:12.840 I think there's a chocolate fountain of the reception. I 1:35:12.840 --> 1:35:17.720 gotta tell you so. Yeah, I mean getting should we 1:35:17.760 --> 1:35:20.200 get into this last episode that you're the final episode 1:35:20.240 --> 1:35:22.280 now that we're talking about the dress. 1:35:22.040 --> 1:35:26.080 Sure, unless you want to talk about Beverly D'Angelo, because. 1:35:26.280 --> 1:35:29.679 We're talking about we're talking on Friday. 1:35:30.360 --> 1:35:31.600 You guys are so lucky. 1:35:31.880 --> 1:35:34.719 What should we ask? Give us some tips? 1:35:35.720 --> 1:35:37.080 You should you should have her sing? 1:35:37.600 --> 1:35:40.679 Okay, yeah, Casey write it down. 1:35:42.080 --> 1:35:42.720 Amazing. 1:35:42.840 --> 1:35:45.040 I mean She's like an icon to me, Like I'm 1:35:45.080 --> 1:35:47.479 obsessed with her so much. 1:35:47.560 --> 1:35:50.240 It was so fun to meet her, and I was 1:35:50.320 --> 1:35:52.519 just like this, you know, it's like wight eyed and 1:35:52.680 --> 1:35:54.720 just listening to everything she had to say. She's so 1:35:54.840 --> 1:35:58.200 brassy and and so real, but like it had so 1:35:58.240 --> 1:36:01.720 many experiences that, you know, because really I felt really 1:36:01.800 --> 1:36:03.400 lucky to get to play with her. 1:36:03.560 --> 1:36:07.160 Oh and your mom, Virginia Madsen, and that was so great. 1:36:07.760 --> 1:36:10.280 I was so pregnant when she was on the show. 1:36:10.800 --> 1:36:12.720 I had a baby shower and she was at that. 1:36:13.320 --> 1:36:15.400 She was at the baby shower, and then we had 1:36:15.439 --> 1:36:19.080 a scene in Brian Park just a little behind the scenes. 1:36:19.160 --> 1:36:24.080 I was like, my baby is about to come out, 1:36:24.200 --> 1:36:26.439 so I'm gonna have to leave set and call the 1:36:26.520 --> 1:36:31.640 doctor's I swear to god, I was like, I don't know. 1:36:32.080 --> 1:36:37.800 I I She goes, okay, well are you good for 1:36:37.880 --> 1:36:40.040 right now? And I said, yeah, I'm okay. I'm in 1:36:40.080 --> 1:36:43.000 Brian Park And her office was nearby, and she goes, well, 1:36:43.240 --> 1:36:45.040 if you're okay for right now, why don't you finish 1:36:45.160 --> 1:36:46.960 up filming? And then and I said, and then I'll 1:36:46.960 --> 1:36:49.960 come buy your office. I was like, okay, that sounds great, 1:36:50.720 --> 1:36:53.120 and I think she. I mean it was like I 1:36:53.160 --> 1:36:56.800 was like, oh my goodness, I might be having this 1:36:56.880 --> 1:36:59.800 baby very very soon because I worked until the very 1:36:59.840 --> 1:37:01.240 life second on that show. 1:37:01.360 --> 1:37:05.680 Yeah, you know, were both the pregnancies written in or 1:37:05.680 --> 1:37:07.400 were was there some hiding? 1:37:07.600 --> 1:37:07.800 Yeah? 1:37:07.800 --> 1:37:09.439 They were both? How it is okay? 1:37:09.960 --> 1:37:12.960 And were there like funny big props you had to 1:37:13.160 --> 1:37:16.200 like do you remember any silly hiding tools or you 1:37:16.240 --> 1:37:16.840 never had to. 1:37:16.920 --> 1:37:18.880 No, I never had to hide it. Yeah, I just 1:37:19.080 --> 1:37:23.960 I the crew like they would they sent me pictures 1:37:24.000 --> 1:37:26.559 of like me napping in certain places, like I would 1:37:26.600 --> 1:37:29.400 just be played out on the grass, like in front 1:37:29.400 --> 1:37:32.680 of whatever house we were at, like you know, just 1:37:32.800 --> 1:37:35.320 catching with my big belly, just sticking up. 1:37:36.000 --> 1:37:38.639 And your character is like so wild because she's always 1:37:38.680 --> 1:37:40.040 just like put me in, like let me go in 1:37:40.080 --> 1:37:42.679 the field, and it's like you're you're eight months pregnant woman. 1:37:42.680 --> 1:37:45.400 Like exactly exactly. 1:37:46.439 --> 1:37:47.240 Cannot sit at. 1:37:47.200 --> 1:37:48.800 A desk, I guess how you can't sit in here 1:37:48.840 --> 1:37:51.880 and make up rollins. Cannot sit at a desk? Yeah, 1:37:51.920 --> 1:37:54.559 how much of you do you feel like is in 1:37:54.640 --> 1:37:57.000 this character? Speaking of that, like, do you feel like 1:37:57.800 --> 1:38:01.000 As time went on, she morphed with you more or like, 1:38:01.439 --> 1:38:02.200 what do you think? 1:38:02.760 --> 1:38:05.960 Absolutely? Yeah, I mean she we both grew up, we 1:38:06.040 --> 1:38:09.160 both became mothers, We both like it's you know, you 1:38:09.200 --> 1:38:13.160 settle in And in this last season you see her 1:38:13.680 --> 1:38:16.760 recounting what it felt like to have a gun in 1:38:16.800 --> 1:38:23.720 her face and to realize that she's not only is 1:38:23.760 --> 1:38:25.960 she missing out on Billy and Jesse growing up a 1:38:25.960 --> 1:38:29.439 little bit. For her, it's it's like putting herself in 1:38:29.560 --> 1:38:32.960 danger to what end. And for me it was like, 1:38:33.280 --> 1:38:35.760 you know, I got to see my kids, you know 1:38:36.000 --> 1:38:41.320 a lot. But it did resonate with me, you know, 1:38:41.439 --> 1:38:45.759 with like there's definitely more time, there's definitely more energy, 1:38:45.800 --> 1:38:50.280 There's definitely more things I could be doing at home. 1:38:50.800 --> 1:38:54.200 So we kind of culminated and to be at the 1:38:54.240 --> 1:38:58.519 same place, Robin's and me, so yeah, we definitely settled 1:38:58.520 --> 1:39:03.439 down together and got priorities kind of shuffled around. 1:39:03.760 --> 1:39:04.240 Yeah. 1:39:04.320 --> 1:39:07.040 Yeah, I feel like Rollin's being able to and they 1:39:07.120 --> 1:39:10.360 touched on this on that last episode, but Rollin's being 1:39:10.400 --> 1:39:13.400 able to finally like accept love into her life and 1:39:14.080 --> 1:39:17.160 was just like a beautiful journey because what was that? 1:39:17.520 --> 1:39:18.120 Was it intent? 1:39:18.280 --> 1:39:21.840 Where you went off and like had sex with the bartender? 1:39:22.000 --> 1:39:24.639 Instead of kissing Careesy and it was just like ah, 1:39:24.760 --> 1:39:28.840 it was just such a like not frustrating moment, but 1:39:28.880 --> 1:39:30.879 it was just like amazing when you find like Rollins 1:39:30.880 --> 1:39:31.840 finally let the love in. 1:39:32.720 --> 1:39:35.720 I know, I know, and I just I just celebrated 1:39:35.760 --> 1:39:41.240 my first first anniversary with with my husband bo and 1:39:41.360 --> 1:39:44.240 so and it's just like, oh my god, it's this 1:39:44.400 --> 1:39:46.120 is how it is, and this is how I can 1:39:46.200 --> 1:39:51.479 be and just so happy, so happy, and so I 1:39:51.560 --> 1:39:55.799 definitely feel, you know, on the exact same page with Rollins, 1:39:55.800 --> 1:39:58.639 where it's just like, oh, this is exactly where I'm 1:39:58.720 --> 1:40:01.080 supposed to be and look look at how how much 1:40:01.120 --> 1:40:03.320 somebody can love me and how much I can love them. 1:40:03.800 --> 1:40:09.760 Yeah, final episode were a lot of those tears kind 1:40:09.800 --> 1:40:13.920 of real and and like how was it to film 1:40:13.960 --> 1:40:16.360 with Marishka in the motel and in the office in 1:40:16.360 --> 1:40:18.439 those final days. 1:40:18.080 --> 1:40:21.680 You know that the tears in the you know, in 1:40:21.720 --> 1:40:25.960 that final scene between Rollins and Benson. I've been thinking 1:40:25.960 --> 1:40:29.720 about that because I'm getting you know, like I'm I mean, 1:40:29.760 --> 1:40:31.640 I'm just I'm getting this question a lot like was 1:40:31.640 --> 1:40:33.320 that real? Like, yeah, of course it was real, But 1:40:33.360 --> 1:40:39.160 it also seeing that episode today reinforce this idea that 1:40:39.240 --> 1:40:42.400 I had was that Ron has been in that office 1:40:42.479 --> 1:40:46.360 so many times to be like, okay, here's what I did, 1:40:48.000 --> 1:40:53.439 you know what I mean? And and for her, like 1:40:54.560 --> 1:40:57.320 I really I was really feeling through that day because 1:40:57.920 --> 1:41:02.320 she she really took the rate and and moved in 1:41:02.360 --> 1:41:07.439 a direction that she really has hope for. And you know, 1:41:07.520 --> 1:41:11.080 it's just like she she she is choosing this, she's 1:41:11.160 --> 1:41:16.200 choosing this next route. And and it's not like climbing 1:41:16.439 --> 1:41:19.599 up out of a hole. It's like going from from 1:41:19.640 --> 1:41:23.000 sea level to like the mountaintop, you know what I mean. 1:41:23.120 --> 1:41:26.960 So it's not it really felt different, you know, And 1:41:27.000 --> 1:41:29.400 like that last time she opens the door and leaves, 1:41:29.479 --> 1:41:33.320 you know, it was like okay, you know, like this 1:41:33.479 --> 1:41:36.599 is totally my journey now, you know, like I don't 1:41:36.640 --> 1:41:39.559 have to I'm not beholden to what anybody thinks of 1:41:39.600 --> 1:41:42.320 me or like my past or my history, or who's 1:41:42.400 --> 1:41:44.559 hurt me or who I've hurt, you know. So it 1:41:44.600 --> 1:41:47.720 was all of that too, in addition to you know, 1:41:49.200 --> 1:41:52.080 Ron's leaving Benson and Kelly leaving Marushka. You know, so 1:41:52.120 --> 1:41:53.920 there was there was a lot going on there. 1:41:54.120 --> 1:41:58.760 Yeah, yeah, was there part like did you guys get 1:41:59.520 --> 1:42:01.080 was there a part? 1:42:01.160 --> 1:42:01.759 Was there anything? 1:42:01.760 --> 1:42:01.800 No? 1:42:02.600 --> 1:42:07.840 No hangout said no party, no, no buy, no no cake, 1:42:08.000 --> 1:42:08.519 no nothing. 1:42:08.520 --> 1:42:10.320 I don't you just wanted to like slip out the 1:42:10.360 --> 1:42:10.880 back door. 1:42:11.160 --> 1:42:15.800 Yes, yes, Irish takes it because I would have lost it. 1:42:16.360 --> 1:42:17.800 I don't. I didn't want to lose it in front 1:42:17.800 --> 1:42:20.640 of everybody. I just got to say thank you to 1:42:20.720 --> 1:42:25.120 the crew, which I mean I missed more than anybody. 1:42:25.320 --> 1:42:27.960 You know. It's like those the guys that we the 1:42:28.000 --> 1:42:30.320 guys and women and men that we worked with are 1:42:30.320 --> 1:42:36.439 on that set. I mean, there's they work so hard. 1:42:37.120 --> 1:42:40.080 They work so hard, and they put in so many 1:42:40.120 --> 1:42:45.639 hours and they're they're still invested in making it story 1:42:45.760 --> 1:42:48.599 telling the story telling our telling the story that we're 1:42:48.680 --> 1:42:53.400 trying to tell, and it's just incredible their dedication and 1:42:53.400 --> 1:42:56.200 and the quality of work that they put in. And 1:42:56.280 --> 1:43:00.519 so to be able to say thank you that was 1:43:00.640 --> 1:43:03.880 very important to me. But not not having a cake, like, oh, 1:43:03.920 --> 1:43:07.760 thanks for twelve years. Here to your cake. Yeah, I 1:43:07.760 --> 1:43:08.479 didn't want to do that. 1:43:09.640 --> 1:43:09.720 No. 1:43:09.840 --> 1:43:14.280 We've interviewed like a hundred plus guests from the show 1:43:14.360 --> 1:43:15.840 or people that have been on the show, and like 1:43:15.960 --> 1:43:19.040 every person talks about how amazing the crew is how amazing, 1:43:19.160 --> 1:43:22.320 like everything is on the set, so I could see 1:43:22.360 --> 1:43:25.920 that being Yeah, it's like hard to leave. 1:43:26.120 --> 1:43:29.160 Were you able to like feel the love from all 1:43:29.160 --> 1:43:32.080 the fans and like be able to see the messages 1:43:32.120 --> 1:43:37.560 and the outpouring of them that yeah. 1:43:36.600 --> 1:43:40.400 My gosh, Yeah, it was crazy. It was intense. You know, 1:43:40.439 --> 1:43:44.160 I was like, wow, guys, you know, like this this 1:43:44.360 --> 1:43:48.040 feels good. Thanks, thank you very very very very very much. 1:43:48.560 --> 1:43:52.600 You know, the interactions with the fans that's still you know, 1:43:52.680 --> 1:43:55.120 blow me away the most. Or I know me and 1:43:55.200 --> 1:43:57.760 the show are reaching people because I you know, like 1:43:57.760 --> 1:43:59.720 you're walking down the street and it's like somebody comes 1:43:59.760 --> 1:44:01.639 up to you and they're like, thank you so much. 1:44:02.840 --> 1:44:05.000 You helped me through this. You're helping me through this, 1:44:07.000 --> 1:44:10.439 or the show is helping and you know, you're like, oh, 1:44:10.640 --> 1:44:15.920 that's that's fucking awesome, you know what I mean, Like 1:44:16.200 --> 1:44:22.160 I'm so happy that there's relief or you feel seen 1:44:23.160 --> 1:44:27.120 or me portraying this character has made you laugh or 1:44:27.200 --> 1:44:30.640 like giving you hope or you know, made you optimistic 1:44:30.680 --> 1:44:31.639 about your own future. 1:44:31.920 --> 1:44:35.800 So have you had any silly fan interactions on the 1:44:35.800 --> 1:44:41.360 streets of New York or any streets as anyone ever 1:44:42.360 --> 1:44:43.879 thought that maybe you were still. 1:44:43.680 --> 1:44:45.479 The character and got mad at you in the world. 1:44:45.640 --> 1:44:47.760 Oh oh yeah, I was in a casino. I was 1:44:47.760 --> 1:44:50.840 in a casino once and they were like, what are 1:44:50.880 --> 1:44:54.160 you doing here? You can't be in a casino, Rawlins, 1:44:54.160 --> 1:44:57.880 you can't do that, Like, no, no. 1:44:57.400 --> 1:44:59.719 That's amazing. That is so funny. 1:45:00.120 --> 1:45:03.160 Not the one with gambling problem, Hi, Kelly, do not 1:45:03.240 --> 1:45:05.360 have a gambling problem, but thank you for your concern. 1:45:05.479 --> 1:45:07.160 That is so funny. 1:45:07.800 --> 1:45:09.479 Do you like we were you were talking about at 1:45:09.479 --> 1:45:11.800 the beginning, like how the show is It's not that 1:45:11.880 --> 1:45:13.840 hard for you to get tears going because the show 1:45:13.920 --> 1:45:17.760 is so packed with like trauma and drama and things 1:45:17.840 --> 1:45:20.920 like that. Do you have any episodes that like really 1:45:21.400 --> 1:45:24.000 sort of stuck with you, like the subject matter or 1:45:24.080 --> 1:45:26.040 like anything where you were like it was like hard 1:45:26.080 --> 1:45:28.360 to shake it haunting. We like to ask for your 1:45:28.400 --> 1:45:30.599 most favorite anything episode. 1:45:30.400 --> 1:45:31.720 That really never leave you. 1:45:32.000 --> 1:45:34.000 We have because I have a few episodes of the 1:45:34.040 --> 1:45:35.880 show that are just like stuck in my head forever, 1:45:36.040 --> 1:45:39.120 as like horrible, like scary episodes and like I was 1:45:39.160 --> 1:45:41.880 just wondering. But you're on step so it's a different feeling, 1:45:41.960 --> 1:45:42.479 I'm sure. 1:45:42.520 --> 1:45:48.160 But yeah, I mean the Henry the psychopath, the psychopathic kid. 1:45:48.640 --> 1:45:52.080 That was really disturbing to me. And I remember like 1:45:54.000 --> 1:45:57.479 I was doing a scene with Sherry Song, who was 1:45:57.560 --> 1:46:01.280 pregnant in real life with twins. She was kind of 1:46:01.280 --> 1:46:04.040 playing the bad guy and I had to hold a 1:46:04.080 --> 1:46:09.760 gun up to her and I hated it. It was 1:46:09.800 --> 1:46:12.320 all fake and all that, but it's still I like, 1:46:12.880 --> 1:46:14.920 it didn't feel right. It didn't feel right when I 1:46:14.960 --> 1:46:16.720 when I stopped doing it, and it didn't feel right 1:46:16.720 --> 1:46:18.920 when I went home, and it was still just bothering me. 1:46:20.120 --> 1:46:22.080 So it wasn't like a subject matter thing, but it was. 1:46:22.200 --> 1:46:24.720 It was a night where I was just like I 1:46:24.720 --> 1:46:27.880 I am, I can't shake shake the scene, you know. 1:46:28.360 --> 1:46:33.599 That was that was a very rare instance where I couldn't. 1:46:34.200 --> 1:46:36.599 I couldn't leave it at work because I'm very good 1:46:36.600 --> 1:46:37.519 at leaving it at work. 1:46:37.840 --> 1:46:44.080 Yeah, that storyline, that whole under and with Declin and stuff, 1:46:44.080 --> 1:46:44.679 that was great. 1:46:44.720 --> 1:46:45.799 You you had such. 1:46:45.600 --> 1:46:51.200 Amazing stories and it's just been a pleasure to watch. 1:46:51.479 --> 1:46:52.040 Well, thank you. 1:46:52.120 --> 1:46:56.800 Is there any scoop or fun stuff you would love 1:46:56.880 --> 1:46:59.200 to enlighten us or the fans with, like things that 1:46:59.240 --> 1:47:04.200 we would love to know about the show or anything. 1:47:03.880 --> 1:47:09.360 Little inside jokes on the set. 1:47:08.400 --> 1:47:12.880 Like the chipmunk. The chipmunk on Rollin's desk. Okay, I 1:47:12.880 --> 1:47:16.479 don't know if you guys ever noticed it. There's a 1:47:16.560 --> 1:47:20.439 chipmunk on Rollin's desk that I asked for them to 1:47:20.479 --> 1:47:27.120 get like a taxi dermid because my dad, who has 1:47:28.400 --> 1:47:31.160 always had a big, beautiful garden in Georgia, like the 1:47:31.240 --> 1:47:35.160 chipmunks would really destroy his stuff, so he would he 1:47:35.200 --> 1:47:40.600 would get rid of them by shooting them. And so 1:47:40.640 --> 1:47:43.599 I got that to like remind me of my dad, 1:47:43.720 --> 1:47:45.720 and I asked Ice. I was like, I need a 1:47:45.800 --> 1:47:50.960 name for this chipmunk, and he goes, it's DC, and 1:47:51.000 --> 1:47:54.160 I go, oh, cool, d C. What is that? He 1:47:54.320 --> 1:47:55.400 was like dead chipmunk. 1:47:57.840 --> 1:47:59.760 Okay, that's good. 1:48:00.000 --> 1:48:02.320 And they would also they would also like dress him up, 1:48:02.520 --> 1:48:06.720 like the camera department. Emily from the camera department, she 1:48:06.840 --> 1:48:08.840 was like, if it was Easter, like the chipmunk, you 1:48:08.880 --> 1:48:11.080 would see it have like a basket of eggs and 1:48:11.080 --> 1:48:12.440 like an easter hat. 1:48:12.680 --> 1:48:14.840 Oh my god, that's like a great little Easter egg. 1:48:15.040 --> 1:48:18.000 Yeah, no, I've never noticed. 1:48:18.200 --> 1:48:19.040 That's so cute. 1:48:19.600 --> 1:48:20.040 Yeah. 1:48:20.120 --> 1:48:21.360 Are you going on vacation? 1:48:21.800 --> 1:48:22.000 Yeah? 1:48:22.000 --> 1:48:25.599 What what's the next part for you? France for a year. 1:48:25.920 --> 1:48:27.360 Are you gonna's playing in. 1:48:27.320 --> 1:48:29.160 New York coming out back out to La? 1:48:29.439 --> 1:48:30.360 What's the vibe? 1:48:30.680 --> 1:48:35.120 I I'm staying in New York for right now. And 1:48:36.920 --> 1:48:40.880 you know, I'm it's like so not exciting. I'm like 1:48:40.920 --> 1:48:43.559 getting to go to the doctor and like getting my 1:48:43.880 --> 1:48:46.760 like painting my nails and like putting weird stickers on them, 1:48:47.000 --> 1:48:49.120 which I could never do as a detective. So I'm 1:48:49.120 --> 1:48:52.719 doing it like just being a girl in that sense. 1:48:52.760 --> 1:48:57.360 And I'm working out and just spending time with my 1:48:57.439 --> 1:49:01.080 kids doing nothing and it's just such a nice time 1:49:01.200 --> 1:49:05.040 to to to be off of work, you know, December 1:49:05.080 --> 1:49:08.719 and the holidays and yeah, it's everything's cozy at home 1:49:08.840 --> 1:49:11.400 and it's just a it's a beautiful time. 1:49:11.880 --> 1:49:15.160 So do you have like future roles that you like 1:49:15.240 --> 1:49:17.040 have your eye on, Like what is your next thing 1:49:17.080 --> 1:49:19.559 you'd rather not be something like on a procedural or 1:49:19.560 --> 1:49:21.559 you'd like to like keep going with that, or you're 1:49:21.600 --> 1:49:23.560 just open and whatever happens happens. 1:49:24.000 --> 1:49:26.760 Yeah, we'll see, we'll see. I'm not I mean, I'm 1:49:27.640 --> 1:49:30.439 I'm definitely not closing the doors on anything. You know, 1:49:30.520 --> 1:49:35.760 I've I've enjoyed playing a cop I've you know, I 1:49:35.880 --> 1:49:39.040 love I love being in New York. I have my 1:49:39.120 --> 1:49:42.840 life here, and I'm you know, there's so many things 1:49:42.880 --> 1:49:46.000 happening in my personal life that I'm just so happy 1:49:46.120 --> 1:49:50.679 and excited to to experience. You know that that work 1:49:50.800 --> 1:49:53.400 is is awesome, But it's not like what. 1:49:53.560 --> 1:49:58.559 I'm yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not there, you know. 1:49:59.360 --> 1:50:01.519 Yeah, No, I was hoping you were. Yeah, you were 1:50:01.600 --> 1:50:06.880 just gonna chill and enjoy time, life, relaxing. 1:50:07.120 --> 1:50:09.719 I'm really good at doing that because I just don't 1:50:09.720 --> 1:50:13.439 get bored. It's just not not possible for me. Like 1:50:13.479 --> 1:50:16.280 I have a have a bead loom going downstairs, my 1:50:16.320 --> 1:50:20.320 guitar is out, there's paintings happening. Yes, you know, it's 1:50:20.360 --> 1:50:25.719 like it's like the kids are It's it's so fun 1:50:25.760 --> 1:50:27.120 doing all that stuff with the kids. 1:50:27.120 --> 1:50:29.280 So we're just so happy you agreed to do this. 1:50:29.360 --> 1:50:32.559 We really oh good, thank you so much for taking 1:50:32.600 --> 1:50:33.000 the time. 1:50:33.280 --> 1:50:34.280 We really appreciate that. 1:50:34.960 --> 1:50:35.200 Yeah. 1:50:35.240 --> 1:50:40.760 Absolutely, any final things. 1:50:40.320 --> 1:50:44.080 No, I just you know, like this past like this 1:50:44.160 --> 1:50:47.080 past six months, you know, like since the fans found 1:50:47.120 --> 1:50:49.599 out Rollin's was leaving, I've just I've really been blown 1:50:49.600 --> 1:50:52.920 away by all the response and all the collages and 1:50:52.960 --> 1:50:56.200 all that, like because I'm so not good at doing 1:50:56.240 --> 1:50:59.000 that stuff. So to see all the fans like they're 1:50:59.120 --> 1:51:02.120 so talented doing all that. But all the support and 1:51:02.160 --> 1:51:04.960 all the all the love you know that I've I've 1:51:04.960 --> 1:51:08.080 gotten from from all the fans has been It's been 1:51:08.120 --> 1:51:10.559 really it feels really nice. 1:51:11.200 --> 1:51:13.080 Yeah, it's been incredible to watch. 1:51:13.160 --> 1:51:15.679 Yeah, people really connect with your character and you really 1:51:15.720 --> 1:51:18.080 created somebody that people identify with. 1:51:18.200 --> 1:51:22.479 So yeah, that your mistakes don't define you and yeah. 1:51:22.360 --> 1:51:25.680 That's it, that's it. That's a great. Yeah. People have 1:51:25.720 --> 1:51:28.160 asked me, like, you know during interviews, like what do 1:51:28.160 --> 1:51:30.559 you what do you want Rollin's legacy to be? That's 1:51:30.600 --> 1:51:32.320 a good one. I like how you just put that? 1:51:33.360 --> 1:51:39.800 Thanks thanks for coming you Kelly. 1:51:40.680 --> 1:51:41.479 Oh my gosh. 1:51:41.520 --> 1:51:46.040 Well wow, she's so zen, but I am happy we 1:51:46.080 --> 1:51:48.400 made her laugh a couple of times. It's so fun 1:51:48.439 --> 1:51:51.360 to talk to her and wow, like I just cannot believe, 1:51:51.479 --> 1:51:53.960 like we got her and I'm so excited we got 1:51:53.960 --> 1:51:55.200 to talk to her and. 1:51:55.640 --> 1:51:57.719 Well I set it up top like it truly felt 1:51:57.720 --> 1:51:59.720 like we were like Diane Sawyer. I'm like, how did 1:51:59.720 --> 1:52:02.760 we get exclusive? Like how did she agree to do 1:52:02.800 --> 1:52:05.160 this podcast? So for those you know, we are always 1:52:05.200 --> 1:52:09.080 in a time machine. Her last episode was like on 1:52:09.120 --> 1:52:11.920 a Thursday, and we interviewed her that Monday, like from 1:52:11.920 --> 1:52:15.000 the last episode airing, we spoke to her four days later, 1:52:15.280 --> 1:52:18.840 like that is unheard of. That was just like a 1:52:18.880 --> 1:52:23.599 surprise and an excitement and it was It just felt 1:52:23.680 --> 1:52:27.200 really cool and also kind of her to do that, 1:52:27.240 --> 1:52:29.559 because I'm sure it's like emotional to leave a job 1:52:29.600 --> 1:52:30.479 after twelve years. 1:52:31.240 --> 1:52:34.000 That wasn't fully her choice, and. 1:52:35.680 --> 1:52:38.920 It's cool that she gave us that time because there 1:52:38.920 --> 1:52:40.560 could be lots of other things. 1:52:40.240 --> 1:52:42.240 I don't know, and she's so. 1:52:43.720 --> 1:52:46.720 Like busy, I'm sure and watched the episode before she 1:52:46.760 --> 1:52:50.800 talked to us, which like we get much less busy 1:52:50.840 --> 1:52:52.519 people that are like, oh, I haven't seen that in 1:52:52.520 --> 1:52:53.599 twenty years, you know what I mean. 1:52:53.760 --> 1:52:56.960 Like yeah, but I do love that she was able 1:52:57.040 --> 1:52:59.720 to feel the love from all the fans, and like 1:53:00.280 --> 1:53:02.479 I also loved that she was like, no, I gave 1:53:02.520 --> 1:53:03.639 the pressure to Danny Pino. 1:53:03.680 --> 1:53:05.919 I didn't need that. Yeah, life like that was so funny. 1:53:06.160 --> 1:53:09.120 Well, I think she fully turned us both around too. 1:53:09.160 --> 1:53:12.280 When this podcast started, we were both like, eh Rollin's like, 1:53:12.439 --> 1:53:16.160 you know, typical roll and stuff. But like in the 1:53:16.240 --> 1:53:18.880 current episodes too, it's been like fun to watch her 1:53:19.040 --> 1:53:20.800 really grow and. 1:53:21.400 --> 1:53:24.160 Well, they fucked with us because she did really or 1:53:24.400 --> 1:53:27.519 like awful No, that she did really terrible things and 1:53:27.560 --> 1:53:30.599 made and made really bad choices. But then you see 1:53:30.600 --> 1:53:36.200 her history of like abuse and her family's mental illness 1:53:36.240 --> 1:53:41.360 issues and there and her boss assulting her. There was 1:53:41.439 --> 1:53:44.960 just like so much yeah, that she was going through 1:53:45.080 --> 1:53:48.240 and putting aside, and that's why she was defending bad 1:53:48.280 --> 1:53:51.280 men and that's why she had addictions and like the 1:53:51.320 --> 1:53:53.640 relationship with her sister and wanting to help people, like 1:53:54.200 --> 1:53:57.679 you know, the you got to grow with her, learn 1:53:57.720 --> 1:53:59.640 about her and know her deeper, and it might be 1:53:59.640 --> 1:54:02.200 a less and all of us that if someone makes 1:54:02.200 --> 1:54:04.559 a mistake or acts a certain way or does something 1:54:04.600 --> 1:54:07.080 fucked up, maybe you don't have to do what they're toxic. 1:54:07.080 --> 1:54:09.080 I'm not trying to give people bad advice, but like 1:54:10.439 --> 1:54:14.759 there's more change your journey and we can give people, 1:54:15.360 --> 1:54:18.360 you know, because Captain Craigan here could have said fuck. 1:54:18.200 --> 1:54:20.240 Off, you're fired. 1:54:20.280 --> 1:54:22.120 That could have been like, I mean, that could have 1:54:22.120 --> 1:54:24.640 been a perfect example of like somebody who's on the 1:54:24.640 --> 1:54:26.600 show for ten episodes and then it's like it's not 1:54:26.680 --> 1:54:28.879 working out, like you gambled, like you're. 1:54:28.680 --> 1:54:32.000 A dirty cop, goodbye or whatever, and and she comes back. 1:54:32.040 --> 1:54:34.080 Because what's funny is we were getting ready to interview her, 1:54:34.160 --> 1:54:37.280 so I was watching like Home Invasions on my laptop, 1:54:37.280 --> 1:54:39.640 but I had other Rollin's episodes playing on the TV, 1:54:40.200 --> 1:54:43.320 and there was the season fifteen gambling issues, and so 1:54:43.400 --> 1:54:45.200 I was getting confused. 1:54:44.680 --> 1:54:47.520 Over which one was which. But it's like she went. 1:54:47.400 --> 1:54:52.920 Back into it, you know, yes, But then and she's 1:54:52.920 --> 1:54:54.720 gone to make out with more people than I think 1:54:55.200 --> 1:54:58.200 anyone else on the show. We dove a little into 1:54:58.200 --> 1:55:01.440 the flirting and the smoothies, but like she made out 1:55:01.480 --> 1:55:05.320 with rapists, anonymous guy made out with Amorro Careesi, the 1:55:05.360 --> 1:55:10.440 bartender from the South. Yeah, there's gotta be more. Is 1:55:10.440 --> 1:55:11.480 it a just four now? 1:55:12.560 --> 1:55:12.840 Yeah? 1:55:12.880 --> 1:55:15.480 I'm like, maybe we've only seen more boyfriends for live 1:55:15.600 --> 1:55:16.560 but really. 1:55:17.640 --> 1:55:19.280 Yeah, but she I don't always make out or no, 1:55:19.360 --> 1:55:20.920 were You're right? We saw him to make out with 1:55:20.960 --> 1:55:22.240 Henry Connick Junior and stuff. 1:55:22.320 --> 1:55:26.200 Yeah, that but that was a awesome interview. The episode 1:55:26.520 --> 1:55:28.960 was whoo a lot. I mean, I guess what's our 1:55:29.240 --> 1:55:31.880 what's our post mortem takeaway, don't pressure your kids too 1:55:31.960 --> 1:55:32.600 much or they're. 1:55:32.400 --> 1:55:33.920 Gonna fucking kill you. I don't know. 1:55:34.200 --> 1:55:39.720 Uh, like, well listen, like don't like stop Like, children 1:55:39.760 --> 1:55:41.880 are people and you can't just make them what you 1:55:41.920 --> 1:55:42.600 want them to be. 1:55:42.720 --> 1:55:44.560 You have to accept them for who they. 1:55:44.480 --> 1:55:48.840 Are and guide or maybe like like be bumpers of 1:55:48.880 --> 1:55:50.240 the bowling Alley of life. 1:55:50.280 --> 1:55:54.240 But you can't. You can't. Fucking no. 1:55:54.520 --> 1:55:57.560 I want Rosie to be a mid level advertising executive, 1:55:57.600 --> 1:55:59.840 and that's it. That's what she's doing. That's my dream, 1:56:00.440 --> 1:56:03.480 that's what she's gonna do. I'm forcing it. 1:56:04.240 --> 1:56:05.800 You know, and I always you know, I talk about 1:56:05.840 --> 1:56:09.280 my sister positively a lot, but I do like that 1:56:09.880 --> 1:56:11.920 each of her kids gets to be who they are 1:56:11.920 --> 1:56:14.280 in their own journey. And she's like one is an 1:56:14.320 --> 1:56:18.080 academic superstar, the other could care less and they're able 1:56:18.160 --> 1:56:20.240 to do that. You know, one's not being forced to 1:56:20.240 --> 1:56:22.320 get a's if that's not the vibe. 1:56:22.520 --> 1:56:24.160 Yes, it's just rare. 1:56:24.240 --> 1:56:26.360 And it's not the parents fault, like obviously, who knows 1:56:26.360 --> 1:56:28.840 that they were raising the sociopath who was gonna you know, 1:56:28.880 --> 1:56:32.120 get them killed, right, But it's like the pressure, the 1:56:32.200 --> 1:56:35.400 this you have to be even if even you have 1:56:35.440 --> 1:56:37.680 to be straight or do this religion or dressed like 1:56:37.720 --> 1:56:40.840 this or do that or look like it's like, don't 1:56:40.880 --> 1:56:42.400 have kids if you need them to be a certain 1:56:42.440 --> 1:56:43.400 way for them to get. 1:56:43.320 --> 1:56:45.640 Your respect, and don't have kids if you feel like 1:56:46.040 --> 1:56:48.960 when they confess something to you're just not gonna believe them, 1:56:49.000 --> 1:56:51.400 Like I can't believe the mother in the episode from 1:56:51.440 --> 1:56:53.920 Home Invasions, Like it makes me feel like maybe it's 1:56:53.960 --> 1:56:56.040 okay that they blew you away, Like your what your 1:56:56.160 --> 1:56:57.960 daughter came to you and told you that her dad 1:56:58.040 --> 1:57:00.720 was molesting her and you just didn't believe her because 1:57:00.760 --> 1:57:03.000 you were like busy with your affair, Like why would 1:57:03.040 --> 1:57:05.440 you not believe her? Your husband's a piece of shit. 1:57:05.480 --> 1:57:07.560 You don't even like him. You could tell from the 1:57:07.560 --> 1:57:09.680 first episode, from the first minute of the episode. 1:57:10.120 --> 1:57:11.680 I mean, and through our research, we know that this 1:57:11.760 --> 1:57:14.400 happens a lot in real life, Like, but yeah, believe 1:57:14.400 --> 1:57:15.240 your fucking kids. 1:57:15.480 --> 1:57:18.680 Yeah you think it's you think think about how. 1:57:18.600 --> 1:57:20.760 Much courage it takes to like go to a parent 1:57:20.800 --> 1:57:23.880 and say your fucking life partner that you decided to 1:57:23.880 --> 1:57:28.280 be with is molesting me, Like yeah, yeah, what a 1:57:28.320 --> 1:57:31.360 courageous k It just it sucks that she got caught. 1:57:32.520 --> 1:57:34.920 Yeah, but like I said, they're definitely she They're gonna 1:57:34.920 --> 1:57:36.680 get her off her good lawyers are gonna get her off. 1:57:36.680 --> 1:57:39.200 I don't want the brother sister back in. I don't 1:57:39.240 --> 1:57:41.400 want any of them in jail. Those parents. 1:57:41.720 --> 1:57:45.320 Fuck not a Lada though she's so funny on Orange 1:57:45.400 --> 1:57:45.840 is a New Black. 1:57:45.880 --> 1:57:49.880 Maybe that's what she's in there for, Okay, trying to 1:57:49.880 --> 1:57:50.600 think of more Kelly. 1:57:50.680 --> 1:57:53.760 I love that, Like when she speaks about iced tea, 1:57:53.800 --> 1:57:54.360 it's like. 1:57:55.920 --> 1:57:57.440 True love, you know. 1:57:57.800 --> 1:58:01.160 Yeah, Like they did really should seem like a real 1:58:01.640 --> 1:58:05.520 great job to have. And congrats on twelve V. I 1:58:05.560 --> 1:58:07.840 don't know if we told her like congrats on twelve. 1:58:07.760 --> 1:58:10.720 I know I would like a fan of wedding, But 1:58:10.840 --> 1:58:13.240 congrats on twelve years of being on a fucking hit 1:58:13.280 --> 1:58:16.560 show and developing this character that people are so attached to. Well, 1:58:16.680 --> 1:58:20.240 let's uh move on to our what would Sister Peg 1:58:20.280 --> 1:58:22.440 do for this week, which is our weekly SEGMENTA. 1:58:23.000 --> 1:58:25.160 I have one more thing to say, I do I 1:58:25.240 --> 1:58:29.080 you know what else I've learned? Big bandages around ahead, 1:58:29.200 --> 1:58:33.000 I'll never get sick of it. Please more bandages on, more, more. 1:58:32.800 --> 1:58:33.600 All the way around. 1:58:33.600 --> 1:58:36.920 Bandages Please Lisa needs them. Now you're gonna have like 1:58:36.920 --> 1:58:38.600 a nurse bring you one at one of our next 1:58:38.600 --> 1:58:41.680 live shows. You're gonna have to wear it all right, 1:58:41.760 --> 1:58:43.360 Let's move into our what would Sister Peg Do? 1:58:43.440 --> 1:58:43.760 Segment? 1:58:43.800 --> 1:58:45.560 This is our weekly segment where we point you guys 1:58:45.600 --> 1:58:49.240 to an organization, a book, a link, something that's gonna 1:58:49.240 --> 1:58:50.800 help you learn more about what we talked about in 1:58:50.840 --> 1:58:54.040 today's episode. And we thought, if you were more interested 1:58:54.200 --> 1:58:57.280 in the Jennifer Pans story, there is a book called 1:58:57.360 --> 1:59:01.360 A Daughter's Deadly Deception The Jennifer Panstory by Jeremy Grimaldi. 1:59:02.120 --> 1:59:03.680 There's a lot of info in this case. In this 1:59:03.680 --> 1:59:06.800 book gives you a deeper dive into it, and he 1:59:06.800 --> 1:59:10.720 heavily researched this while it was happening. 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