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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we are back almost Famous to OG's coming

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Speaker 2: to you from San Francisco, California, Ashley Livermore, California today, which.

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Speaker 1: Which sounds like a medical diagnosis.

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Speaker 3: It does, it does.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, it's the almost famous golf outing that we're doing today.

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Speaker 2: The famously average that's what it is, famously average golf turning.

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Speaker 2: That's what we're doing. Very excited to be a part

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Speaker 2: of the first annual. And I got Kathy Swartz with

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Speaker 2: me here, which I love, and Kathy, you and I

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Speaker 2: become good buddies over the years.

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Speaker 3: I found out something about you today.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was really interesting, okay, and I can't

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Speaker 2: believe I didn't know this. We talked a lot, and

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Speaker 2: I did not know that your goal is to run

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Speaker 2: five miles a day. I figured that part and read

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Speaker 2: fifty books a year. I read that about you today.

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Speaker 4: I don't run anymore. I used to run, used to

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Speaker 4: do marathon. Not anymore. I walk, that's still yeah, and

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Speaker 4: I walk usually a minimum of five miles today. Wow,

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Speaker 4: which you know is just part of my life.

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Speaker 2: And with your life now, your lifestyle has changed so

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Speaker 2: much over the last I would imagine year year and

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Speaker 2: a half.

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Speaker 3: How is the fifty books a year coming?

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Speaker 1: So I go in fits and spirts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Literally, I also read a book and I won't be

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Speaker 4: able to put it down. My house goes to hell,

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Speaker 4: the cats don't get fed. I'm just reading the book

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Speaker 4: and then and then I'll go a couple of weeks

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Speaker 4: without reading. So it just it really depends. Last year

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Speaker 4: I did not read fifty books.

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Speaker 3: Whi's a goal, it's a target. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Before that, I think I read sixty. It just this year,

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Speaker 4: you know, It's just it's my goal is to read fifty.

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Speaker 4: I can't say I always hit my goal.

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Speaker 2: Is there a particular genre that you're going for, Like,

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Speaker 2: what's the most recent book you're read?

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Speaker 4: I just finished The Women by the same author that

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Speaker 4: I'm terrible because I read on my kindle, so I

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Speaker 4: forget the names of books.

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Speaker 1: But I just read the book The Women. I'm reading.

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Speaker 1: I can't even tell you the name. It's the word

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Speaker 1: symphony is in it. Right now.

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Speaker 4: I'm a big fiction reader. I love fiction. Uh The Women.

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Speaker 4: The Women was a great book because it was about, uh,

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Speaker 4: the women who served as nurses in the Vietnam War.

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Speaker 3: So it was.

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Speaker 4: Based on fact and sort of the unsung heroes of

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Speaker 4: of that of that time. So it was a great book.

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Speaker 4: And it was a love story. And you know, somebody's

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Speaker 4: kind of love in their life because it's not me.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I.

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Speaker 3: Read you know what.

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Speaker 2: You say that all the time, and I love you

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Speaker 2: for it, but I think I think it's uh. I

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Speaker 2: think you probably got a lot more dudes lined.

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Speaker 3: Up than you realize.

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Speaker 2: You know, you to you and Susan or I was

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Speaker 2: talking about how you know well so and so it

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Speaker 2: was slidding to our d ms with this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I'm gonna give you.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a little scoop here.

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Speaker 4: Susan's got a couple of guys just saying I have

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Speaker 4: not a one and as I always say, I am

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Speaker 4: not everyone's cup of tea. But I've decided today on

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Speaker 4: that golf course, I'm going to abscond with the beverage cart.

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Speaker 3: Very nice, right, Yes, just bond with it.

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Speaker 1: You get to check all the guys out.

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love them.

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Speaker 2: So I have a saying about my wife that I

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Speaker 2: think when you just said you're not everyone's cup of tea.

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Speaker 2: I had someone one time say to me, uh, I

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Speaker 2: felt like they were being a little passive aggressive about

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Speaker 2: my wife. And I said, I said, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: she's an acquired taste and the and the lady goes, yes,

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Speaker 2: thank you, And I did not like the way she responded.

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Speaker 2: I go, yeah, if you don't like her, acquire some taste.

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Speaker 3: And the lady like didn't at first.

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Speaker 2: She kind of looked at me and I'm like, what

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Speaker 2: you like, you think I'm gonna take your side over

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Speaker 2: my wife.

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Speaker 3: I'm not doing that. I'm not crazy. So I actually

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Speaker 3: thought it was kind of fun. I like that.

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Speaker 1: I remember that one you had acquired taste.

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Speaker 4: If I am one of seven children, I was the

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Speaker 4: second youngest. You had to be loud, you know, you

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Speaker 4: had to be loud to get if you weren't that's right,

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Speaker 4: So you weren't getting fed, like scrapping for the food.

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Speaker 4: So you know that's I'm outgoing. I've never met a stranger,

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Speaker 4: and I'm now too old to change my.

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Speaker 3: Way, right, Yeah, I feel the same way.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: Well, and there's not And obviously America resonated resonated with

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Speaker 2: America because you go on the Golden Bachelor, you come

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Speaker 2: off of that show and people just can't get enough

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Speaker 2: of you.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's like you're You're everywhere.

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Speaker 2: I am and I'm and I feel like you're everywhere

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Speaker 2: way more places than me.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I that show changed my life in

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Speaker 4: that it just affirmed that life is great.

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Speaker 1: I am who I am.

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Speaker 4: I always say what I've loved to have found love, sure,

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Speaker 4: but the friendships and just knowing that I am, I'm

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Speaker 4: capable and I'm a happy person. Life is for the

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Speaker 4: living every day. You know, it's a choice. I wake

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Speaker 4: up every day and say, it's going to be a

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Speaker 4: great day.

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Speaker 2: I love that you're just so you have such a

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Speaker 2: great energy about you. Like every time I see you,

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Speaker 2: I'm just excited and happy to see you because you're like, hey,

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Speaker 2: you're married. Oh well yeah, you know I say this,

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Speaker 2: I mean my wife is she's joking, No, I know.

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Speaker 2: My wife always says this about me. She's always like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's really fun, you know to have them around. Try

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Speaker 2: living with it. And I'm like, I'm like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a little high energy, like I'm always on, But.

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Speaker 1: I bet your wife isn't. Because my husband No, she was.

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Speaker 3: She's very subdue.

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Speaker 4: My husband was literally people would meet me and know me,

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Speaker 4: and then they'd meet my husband and they were like,

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Speaker 4: and I just I knew what they were thinking.

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Speaker 1: I said, opposites attracted.

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Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, can you imagine we'd kill each other? Yes,

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Speaker 4: it'd be like, I'm talking, No, you're talking.

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Speaker 3: How am I supposed talk about? You can't?

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Speaker 1: I'm talking.

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Speaker 3: That's what that would be. But you know, you and

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Speaker 3: Susan are kind of like that.

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Speaker 2: So you're both high energy, but you guys play off

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Speaker 2: each other very nicely.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you.

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Speaker 4: With Susan, we I almost know what she's going to say, yeah,

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Speaker 4: or do before she does it. I just know it,

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Speaker 4: so I can anticipate what she's going to say. And

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Speaker 4: we know we grew up in very different families, right,

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Speaker 4: Susan this full blood of Italian I'm a mutt, you know,

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Speaker 4: behind's fifty seven, grew up. She's just very from Philly

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Speaker 4: and I'm from Boston and I kind.

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Speaker 3: Of have that East Coast connection, right, I mean a

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well I haven't lived in Boston a lot of years,

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Speaker 4: but you know, once a Yankee, always.

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Speaker 1: A Yankee of course.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, so yeah, it's but I'm not dating Susan.

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Speaker 5: We're friends, right, so that connection is actually works. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that connection works.

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Speaker 2: And you guys have a podcast too, the Golden Hour, right,

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Speaker 2: and it's doing the Golden Hours.

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Speaker 3: Golden Hour.

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Speaker 1: It's Golden Hour, Yes, Golden.

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Speaker 4: Hour, and it's it is a it's a Jenga puzzle

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Speaker 4: to find it because you have to go to Bachelor

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Speaker 4: Happy Hour, okay, and then you have to scroll down

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Speaker 4: to the shows and then that's where we are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, almost Saves to Ogs isn't always the easiest one

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Speaker 2: to find either, I mean, with same you know, the

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Speaker 2: same type of mindset. But I think it's great because

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Speaker 2: I love that you guys have a platform. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the fans love you, you know, I know they give

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Speaker 4: The interesting thing that I have found doing that podcast

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Speaker 4: my kids age. My kids couldn't could not care what

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Speaker 4: I think. I mean, I love my children, like they're

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Speaker 4: not asking me for advice. These are people my kids age,

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Speaker 4: and they're like, we love you to give such great advice.

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Speaker 3: If you guys ever have any questions here, I clearly

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Speaker 2: But you know what, I think that's it's a testament

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Speaker 2: So they find you as an outlet that that can

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Speaker 4: And I also think Susan and I approach everything with

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Speaker 4: laugh about it. Yeah, But I think I think our

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Speaker 4: overriding theme whenever we're talking is you know what enjoy life?

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Speaker 4: You have one go around and if it's not working

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Speaker 4: You're never going to make a red flag a white flag,

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Speaker 4: right ever, you know, those kinds of things, and yet people,

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Speaker 4: isn't it interesting people continually try Oh.

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Speaker 3: My gosh, it's the most maddening thing in the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's impossible because people are always trying to change

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Speaker 2: people or change circumstances, and sometimes it's it's best to call,

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Speaker 2: you know, call a spade a spade in that moment

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Speaker 2: and be like, okay, let's.

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Speaker 5: Move and move on, or and then learning to compromise. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's important. That's a big part of it.

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Speaker 4: Well I wasn't really good at that in my marriage. No, No,

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Speaker 4: that's kind of my way the highway.

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Speaker 2: Well it worked for you, I mean you other for

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Speaker 2: a long time, oh, the last forty six years, and

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Speaker 2: it really wasn't my way the highway.

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Speaker 1: I mean we used to laugh.

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Speaker 4: We used to say things like I made the big

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Speaker 1: So yeah it worked.

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Speaker 2: My wife always likes to say, you know, well, what's

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Speaker 3: Thank you. No, you know what I'll go.

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