WEBVTT - As Goes Texas, So Goes America

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, Peepsen. Welcome to wok F Daily with Meet

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<v Speaker 1>Your Girl Daniel Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited about today's conversation and interview with Gina Ortiz Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the founder of the find Out Pack. The

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<v Speaker 1>find Out Pack is exactly what you think it is,

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<v Speaker 1>fuck around and find out. This pack is dedicated to

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<v Speaker 1>going after the three Texas Supreme Court Justices Jimmy, John,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jane who have come for the reproductive rights of

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<v Speaker 1>women and people with uteruses inside of the state of Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I think that what strikes me so

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<v Speaker 1>much in the conversation with Gina is that in order

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<v Speaker 1>for us to win, we really truly need to understand

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<v Speaker 1>where the power actually lies, right and so for far

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<v Speaker 1>too long we have believed as Democrats that the power

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<v Speaker 1>lied in the executive branch, in the presidency, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we pay attention every four years, and in between that

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<v Speaker 1>time we go back to business as usual. Well, what

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<v Speaker 1>we've been able to truly grasp over the last eight

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<v Speaker 1>or so years under trumpsm is that that is not

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<v Speaker 1>where power lies actually, and that power lies in the courts,

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<v Speaker 1>power lies in the election of attorney generals and district

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<v Speaker 1>attorneys and ultimately the appointment of judges. Right because what

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<v Speaker 1>we know about Congress, for instance, is that their wheels

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<v Speaker 1>turn incredibly fucking slow, and that most of our rights

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<v Speaker 1>that we are still hanging onto were one in court battles.

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<v Speaker 1>So then why wouldn't our attention be directed at the

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<v Speaker 1>very courts that decide our fates. So I love this

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with Gina because the find Out Pack is very

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<v Speaker 1>clear about who they are targeting, how they are targeting,

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<v Speaker 1>and are going full throttle. And that is what I

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<v Speaker 1>want people to be doing, state by state, right, district

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<v Speaker 1>by district, or Steve Bannon said, village by village, flood

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<v Speaker 1>the zone right, going after these seats of power that

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<v Speaker 1>have long been held by Republicans without objection. And now

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<v Speaker 1>that we know that they are not to be trusted.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now that we know and they make no you know,

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<v Speaker 1>mix up of their intentions for this country, it's time

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<v Speaker 1>that we understand how power works. So coming up next,

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<v Speaker 1>my conversation with Gina Ortiz Jones, Folks, I am very

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<v Speaker 1>excited to welcome to wok F Daily Gina Ortiz Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the founder of the find Out Political Action Committee,

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<v Speaker 1>and served during the Biden administration as Undersecretary of the

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<v Speaker 1>Air Force from July twenty twenty one to March twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three. Gina, I want to start with the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that a couple of weeks ago we saw a horrific

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<v Speaker 1>report GRAB headlines that since the overturning of Roe v. Wade,

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<v Speaker 1>there has been sixty thousand plus rape based pregnancies in

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<v Speaker 1>the fourteen states that have denied abortion, even in the

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<v Speaker 1>case of rape, in the case of incest, in the

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<v Speaker 1>case of fetal abnormalities and non viability. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>get your thoughts on that astounding number and the ramifications

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<v Speaker 1>thereof that we've seen in such a short time of

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<v Speaker 1>the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and thanks again for having me on. I

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<v Speaker 2>think you know that number in and of itself is

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<v Speaker 2>astounding when you think of the fourteen states, and as

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned, the sixty thousand rape related pregnancies. But let's

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<v Speaker 2>be very clear, twenty six thousand of those, just over

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six thousand of those are in Texas alone, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we are disproportionately impacted by this, just given

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<v Speaker 2>the sheer size of our state. One in ten kids

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<v Speaker 2>in this country calls Texas home. And you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>reason I really wanted to, you know, start this pack

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<v Speaker 2>is in part based on what the Texas Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 2>just decided, but also understanding that, look, you know, ascoes Texas,

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<v Speaker 2>so goes this country. Right. Texas traditionally been kind of

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<v Speaker 2>training ground, a greeting ground, if you will, for some

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<v Speaker 2>of the more extremest policies that are exten exported to

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<v Speaker 2>other parts of the country. And so I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>always really important to aggregate the data and truly understand.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that just one of the states is responsible

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<v Speaker 2>for almost half of these in light of as you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they're not not being any exceptions in the state,

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<v Speaker 2>for with exception of the metal, which now is even

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<v Speaker 2>in debate given the Texas Supreme Court's decision in December,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's wild because you know, Governor Greg Abbott, he

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<v Speaker 1>told us that he was going to eliminate all rapes.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm surprised that it hasn't happened, and that these

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<v Speaker 1>numbers are just off the charts. I think what gets

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<v Speaker 1>me about, in particular, the state of Texas is not

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<v Speaker 1>even how draconian the policies are, but that, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a petri dish for how they want to

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<v Speaker 1>nationalize these types of laws. And when you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the case of and I want to of Kate Cox,

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<v Speaker 1>and Kate Cox, you know, making national headlines when she

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<v Speaker 1>went to go seek an abortion because she had a

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<v Speaker 1>non viable pregnancy, this fetus not going to make it,

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<v Speaker 1>and a panel of judges told her no, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to get your reactions to some of

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<v Speaker 1>the stories. We've heard women testify before Congress, we've heard

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<v Speaker 1>them in press conferences, and yet for these you know,

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<v Speaker 1>largely white male bodies, whether it is the Missouri you know, Senate,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it is the Texas governor, nothing seems to penetrate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think. So let me just back up a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit and how this how this started for me? So, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it was December of last year, and I remember reading

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<v Speaker 2>as the country was about the about Kate Cox's case

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<v Speaker 2>and I and I obviously also was astounded by the

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<v Speaker 2>decision to deny deny her access to this abortion for

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<v Speaker 2>the medical exception. So I took the time to actually

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<v Speaker 2>read the seven page Texas Supreme Court ruling, and essentially

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<v Speaker 2>what they said is that this woman was not close

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<v Speaker 2>enough to losing either her life or losing her fertility

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<v Speaker 2>to qualify for the exception. So obviously I had a

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<v Speaker 2>very visceral reaction to that because it just it raises

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<v Speaker 2>some very basic questions, right, which is one, Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 2>how close is close enough? We talk in hours, we

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<v Speaker 2>talk in minutes. But also, who are y'all you know

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<v Speaker 2>these partisan judges? And we are one of the few

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<v Speaker 2>states where we actually elect our judges and justices to

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<v Speaker 2>include the Texas Supreme Court, through partisan elections, And so

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<v Speaker 2>who are you, these partisan justices to say that you

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<v Speaker 2>know better than her doctor, much less anyone else's doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>And then for me, the last question was, all right, well,

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<v Speaker 2>how do we get this better? Because this is not right?

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<v Speaker 2>And in looking at the the nine justices, they are

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<v Speaker 2>all Republican. They run as statewide folks, statewide candidates. These

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<v Speaker 2>folks are elected, which means they can be unelected, Danielle,

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<v Speaker 2>And that is what we are, that is what we're

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<v Speaker 2>working to do. I think, you know, we're very encouraged.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the first time ever, this is the first

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<v Speaker 2>time ever that we have tried to change the makeup

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<v Speaker 2>of the Texas Supreme Court. These folks that have never

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<v Speaker 2>had kind of this type of focus and attention that

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<v Speaker 2>they will come twenty twenty four due to find out.

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<v Speaker 2>Pack Secondly, we are encouraged also by what we are

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<v Speaker 2>seeing in states like Kansas and Kentucky, you know, states

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<v Speaker 2>that have very similar political compositions, if you will, to

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<v Speaker 2>our own state. And even in those states, when the

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<v Speaker 2>issue was put before voters, voters overwhelmingly voted to protect

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<v Speaker 2>reproductive freedoms. And so our ballot initiative is a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit different in that we are going to hold Jimmy,

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<v Speaker 2>John and Jane accountable. That's actually their names, just Jimmy Blacklock,

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<v Speaker 2>John Devine, and Jane Bland accountable for the ways in

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<v Speaker 2>which they have made it more dangerous to be a

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<v Speaker 2>woman in Texas and by the reproductive freedoms of so

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<v Speaker 2>many women. And then lastly, let me just say, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I know folks are like they hear these

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<v Speaker 2>stories coming out of Texas, but let's be very clear,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a difference between where these partisan justices are

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<v Speaker 2>on this issue and where Texans are on this issue.

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<v Speaker 2>So in February of twenty twenty three, there was a

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<v Speaker 2>survey that was published by Survey Results Rather that was

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<v Speaker 2>published by the University of Houston, the Hobby School of

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<v Speaker 2>Public Affairs, and in that the results eighty two percent

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<v Speaker 2>of Texans survey support medical exceptions. I mean, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>even close, right, And so I think when we put

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<v Speaker 2>this and talk about this as a valid initiative, this is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for folks that are pissed off or how

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<v Speaker 2>these women have been treated, this is their opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>have their voice heard. And it starts with flipping those

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<v Speaker 2>seats Jimmy John and Jane and you know, if i'm

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<v Speaker 2>I also, I think it's really important. So it's the

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<v Speaker 2>issue itself. But as I was also looking into the

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<v Speaker 2>backgrounds of these folks, Danielle, Yeah, they're just not fit.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just not fit for the Texas Supreme Court. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you and I grew up probably with the

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<v Speaker 2>same visual of justice, which is a woman in a

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<v Speaker 2>rowe blindfolded, holding the scale right, impartial, and it's about

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<v Speaker 2>the facts, and that's just not what we have on

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<v Speaker 2>the Texas Supreme Court, let alone in Jimmy John and

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<v Speaker 2>Jane and I say their names just to be clear

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<v Speaker 2>for folks that they say their names, because these are

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<v Speaker 2>the three that are on the ballot in November twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four. So let me give you a snippet of

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<v Speaker 2>these folks. In twenty eighteen, at a Texas rally for Life,

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<v Speaker 2>Governor Abbott said about John Divine, quote, I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to guests or wonder how just Blacklock is going to

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<v Speaker 2>decide cases because of his proven record of fighting for

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<v Speaker 2>pro life causes. Right, that's one John Divine. This guy's

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<v Speaker 2>real special. This guy has campaigned, campaigned on his own

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<v Speaker 2>wife's tyris pregnancy. He's campaigned on being arrested dozens of

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<v Speaker 2>times for protesting in front of abortion clinics. And then

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<v Speaker 2>Jane Bland, she wrote an opinion in a separate case

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<v Speaker 2>where the Texas Supreme Court ruled that anti abortion groups

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<v Speaker 2>could not be held liable for defamation for equating abortion

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<v Speaker 2>to murder. So can you, I mean, just like you,

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<v Speaker 2>try to put yourself in the shoes of these women

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<v Speaker 2>that are going through the justice system and in good

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<v Speaker 2>faith trying to seek justice through by the way, on

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<v Speaker 2>top of this very traumatic experience that they have already

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<v Speaker 2>personally experienced, they are their family members, and then they

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<v Speaker 2>go through the court system, and then they find out

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<v Speaker 2>that these three among the others are the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>are going to hear their case. Like that doesn't instill

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<v Speaker 2>any level of confidence in terms of impartiality or them

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<v Speaker 2>even having a fair share a justice here. Right, So

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<v Speaker 2>I think we've got a real opportunity. These folks run

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<v Speaker 2>statewide and again encouraged by one where Texans are on

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<v Speaker 2>the issue, but also what we've seen in other states.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you this, Cina, and I appreciate you

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<v Speaker 1>providing the background, because I think that it is really

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<v Speaker 1>important for people to understand who these justices are, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and the fact that you could bring any case before them,

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<v Speaker 1>but given that they've already decided that's right. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter what facts you present, it doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>what precedent you present. They've already decided how the case

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be ruled, given their own backgrounds and

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<v Speaker 1>given their own prejudices. Right. This is what it means

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<v Speaker 1>to have activist judges. They use that term on those

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<v Speaker 1>that are progressive, but this is what it means to

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<v Speaker 1>be an activist judge. That you don't listen to cases

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<v Speaker 1>that you decide them based on whatever the Bible right

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<v Speaker 1>tells you to decide on. And I wonder, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for eu GENA, Texas in a lot of ways, I

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<v Speaker 1>think has not received the kind of investment that it

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<v Speaker 1>needs from the Democratic Party, and that we have seeded

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<v Speaker 1>these red states and said well, there's nothing we can

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<v Speaker 1>do here, right, And because of our lack of investment,

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<v Speaker 1>they have become a breeding ground and fertile ground to

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<v Speaker 1>forward these draconian style policies. And so I wonder where

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<v Speaker 1>you think that the Democratic Party as a whole as

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<v Speaker 1>we head into the twenty twenty four presidential election, as

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<v Speaker 1>these people are going to be on the ballot, what

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<v Speaker 1>responsibility the party has in creating the apparatus that needed

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<v Speaker 1>and necessary and well funded in order in order to

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<v Speaker 1>turn a state like Texas around.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, well, so there's a lot there. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>start off with a couple of points. One and let

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<v Speaker 2>me also just I should have said this at the

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<v Speaker 2>very beginning, but for folks that are listening and are

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<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out where find out pac comes from,

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<v Speaker 2>it does come from the very scientific concept of f

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<v Speaker 2>around and find out right. And that's I said earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a visual reaction to reading that seven page opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was honestly my very first reaction, which is

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is ridiculous. So that's where the name

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<v Speaker 2>comes from. But I think to your point, you know

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is not a partisan issue, and I know,

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<v Speaker 2>I know we're kind of couching it that way as

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<v Speaker 2>we head into twenty twenty four. But like being able

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<v Speaker 2>to listen to your doctor and being able to make

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<v Speaker 2>decisions about your your own fertility, being able to make

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<v Speaker 2>decisions about about your own about the ability to save

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<v Speaker 2>your own life, none of that stuff is partisan. Even

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<v Speaker 2>though the two parties are are in very different camps

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<v Speaker 2>on this doesn't make it inherently a partisan issue, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that probably speaks more to the values of

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<v Speaker 2>the parties themselves. And you know, we have deliberately talked

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<v Speaker 2>about this issue, frankly on the merits of the issue,

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<v Speaker 2>because it is the way I think in which we

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<v Speaker 2>reach the most people. Again, eighty two percent of folks,

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<v Speaker 2>eighty two percent of Texans support medical exceptions. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that's a I don't think there's a lot of things

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<v Speaker 2>that eighty two percent of Texans agree on, but talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the issue. I think is also the way in

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<v Speaker 2>which we are able to one show the contrast and

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<v Speaker 2>and when we are talking about engaging kind of young

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<v Speaker 2>folks in particular, I think we see that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>data shows that they're more motivated by the issue than

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<v Speaker 2>they are by political party or ideology. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>let's be very clear. And that's why you know, for

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<v Speaker 2>folks that haven't seen the video yet our launch chat,

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<v Speaker 2>please going to find out pack dot com. And we

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<v Speaker 2>are very clear about what is at stake here and

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<v Speaker 2>why this is so important, right and would welcome folks

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<v Speaker 2>to support. I think the more we can talk about

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<v Speaker 2>what is at stake here and less about party and

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<v Speaker 2>less about ideology, I think will be more will be

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<v Speaker 2>more successful should we And I think what we are

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<v Speaker 2>also encouraged by, you know, there's some potential for some

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<v Speaker 2>reverse coattails here to your point. You know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>we're all uh, you know, kind of reading reading articles

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<v Speaker 2>about kind of black enthusiasm at the at the top

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<v Speaker 2>of the ticket. So look, it's all hands on deck,

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<v Speaker 2>right to make sure that we've got leaders up and down,

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<v Speaker 2>up and down the ballot they're going to fight for

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<v Speaker 2>reproductive freedoms and frankly not be a threat to democracy.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think you're but you're absolutely right. All that

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<v Speaker 2>takes investment, and so I think by being creative, thinking

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<v Speaker 2>outside of the box, you know, hope to attract that

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<v Speaker 2>investment here in Texas, because again, one intent kid, like

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<v Speaker 2>one intent kids in this country, calls Texas home. You

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<v Speaker 2>cannot write off ten percent of our ten percent of

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<v Speaker 2>our future.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder too, you know. You you mentioned the lack

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<v Speaker 1>of enthusiasm right that we are hearing about, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>a part of me knows that it is one exasperated

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<v Speaker 1>by media in order to gain clicks and audience and

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<v Speaker 1>all of these things, and to turn this election, upcoming

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<v Speaker 1>election into a horse race, devoid of the seriousness of

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<v Speaker 1>what is at stake. But two, you know President Biden,

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<v Speaker 1>while he has made abortion a campaign issue, right and

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<v Speaker 1>an important one, he said recently that I'm a Catholic

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<v Speaker 1>and don't think that abortion should be used, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it should be used, you know, regularly. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>that the reversal of Rob Wade was wrong. I'm paraphrasing,

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<v Speaker 1>but he said that, and you know, abortion rights activists

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<v Speaker 1>are completely dismayed by it, and I wanted to get

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<v Speaker 1>your reactions from that statement and how it land.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I think look, I think keeping this

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<v Speaker 2>focused on what this is ultimately about, right, which is

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<v Speaker 2>can you truly be, you know, a free person in

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<v Speaker 2>this country if you cannot make decisions about your own body.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's let's keep it super simple, right, And I think

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<v Speaker 2>the more simple that we keep it and show the

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<v Speaker 2>contrast between where leaders are on this issue. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that is how we are most successful. Again, most of

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<v Speaker 2>us are are united on again medical exceptions, the ability

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<v Speaker 2>to listen to your doctor. I mean not only just

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<v Speaker 2>listen to your doctor, Danielle, but even you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>stories in Texas anecdotally of you know, doctors even being

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<v Speaker 2>fearful of providing information to the person so that they

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<v Speaker 2>can make the decision. Right. So that is that's really

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<v Speaker 2>what is happening. And we are seeing unfortunately, kind of

0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.280
<v Speaker 2>where this where this takes, where these policies take you

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<v Speaker 2>what they look like. And obviously that's not where that's

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<v Speaker 2>not where Texans are. I'm sure that's not where most

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<v Speaker 2>Americans are either, But it just strikes me, as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as an Air Force veteran Iraq War veteran that you

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<v Speaker 2>know in the land of the Home, the land of

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<v Speaker 2>the free, the home of the brave, that this is

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<v Speaker 2>something that we are even discussing right women having to

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<v Speaker 2>flee their states, living in fear right as they go

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<v Speaker 2>seek reproductive care that is not available in their state

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<v Speaker 2>to save their life and takes to save their their

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<v Speaker 2>their fertility. So I think, look, let's keep the main thing,

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<v Speaker 2>the main thing, which is women should be able to

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<v Speaker 2>make decisions about their own bodies. And there's one person

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<v Speaker 2>for there's one person running for president that believes that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, this is a it's a we can

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<v Speaker 2>we can make it a ten second discussion or it

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<v Speaker 2>can be a ten hour discussion. But at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the day, there's one person running for president that

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<v Speaker 2>believes that.

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<v Speaker 1>There are still right now a handful of states right

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<v Speaker 1>where abortion is legal. We have a patch of protections.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are some that say, well, if you can't

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<v Speaker 1>have an abortion in Texas, then just go someplace else.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that people who live inside of blue states,

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<v Speaker 1>like I do, believe that a national abortion ban is

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<v Speaker 1>an impossibility. What do you say to.

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<v Speaker 2>That, Well, I don't think we should take anything for granted, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, I'm a I'm a I'm a lesbian

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<v Speaker 2>woman of color. Like I I don't take anything for granted,

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<v Speaker 2>given what we have, what we have seen happen just

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<v Speaker 2>in the last just under the last administration, right, certainly

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<v Speaker 2>from a from a national security standpoint, but also from

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<v Speaker 2>a from a just a reproductive freedom standpoint, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't take anything for granted, and we shouldn't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's my my short answer to that. I just complacency,

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<v Speaker 2>I think is very dangerous, certainly heading into twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>and to think about what could be possible under a

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<v Speaker 2>second term of Donald Trump. I mean now that he's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, figured out, you know who's on his side

0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:14.320
<v Speaker 2>is not, has a better understanding of the rules, I

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<v Speaker 2>think he and he's been very clear right about the

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<v Speaker 2>type of people he'd bring in and the things he

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<v Speaker 2>would focus on, and even his rhetoric now is much

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<v Speaker 2>more dangerous a kin obviously to Nazi speak. So we

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<v Speaker 2>should take nothing for granted, and certainly that applies to

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<v Speaker 2>the reproductive freedom space.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you tell people as we close out how they

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<v Speaker 1>can support find out how they can get involved with

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<v Speaker 1>the work that you all are doing on the ground

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<v Speaker 1>and so that people feel like they are doing something

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<v Speaker 1>that they're just not, you know, waiting for the worst

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<v Speaker 1>to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, thanks so much again for having me on

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<v Speaker 2>and thanks folks for listening. But the website is Www.

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<v Speaker 2>Find outpack dot com. Got our launch video there. Please

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<v Speaker 2>share that. I think you know, increasingly folks are understanding

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<v Speaker 2>just how important that bench is right and so we'll

0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:09.600
<v Speaker 2>continue to hit that home as well as as these

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<v Speaker 2>as these justices make decisions on this issue on others

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<v Speaker 2>that are affecting the everyday lives of Texan. So www.

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<v Speaker 2>Dot FindOut pack dot com is where folks can go

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<v Speaker 2>and make a donation in any amount that they would like.

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<v Speaker 2>And really appreciate the support. And again we're not hopeless

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<v Speaker 2>or hopeless in Texas and this is our ballot initiative,

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<v Speaker 2>so really appreciates folks with support to help us out.

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<v Speaker 1>We really appreciate the work that you're doing. Really appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the focus that you have on changing your Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope that it is mimicked across the country

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<v Speaker 1>in red states that we have in many ways turned

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<v Speaker 1>our backs on. Really appreciate you Gena, thanks for joining,

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Didille. That is it for me today. Dear friends

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<v Speaker 1>on Woke a f as always, Power to the people

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<v Speaker 1>and to all the people. Power, get woke and stay

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<v Speaker 1>woke as fuck.