WEBVTT - Increase the Font Size! 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:05.560 It's three am in Seattle and you're listening to Nightcall, 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:12.239 a podcast for those strange days and lonely nights with 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:19.160 me Molly Lambert and my friends Test Lynch and Emily Yoshida. 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:29.880 Today's episode of Nightcall is brought to you by Hello Fresh. 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:38.000 We're in Seattle tonight. To pour out a cappuccino in 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:44.880 a large ceramic mug for John Mahoney. But honestly, Marty 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:48.360 would never he would never drink. No, he would peep 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:55.520 a drink of what is drink? Yeah, that's right, Uh yeah, 0:00:55.720 --> 0:01:00.240 pouring out our balantines for John Mahoney. Alright, one of 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:02.320 those beers you have to like open with a knife. 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:07.240 Real men use their teeth. Only ex cops are allowed 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:12.240 to drink it. Um. Yeah, we lost John Mahoney this week. 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:15.960 R I p um. He you know, of course, played 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:20.200 Martin Crane on Frasier, but was also just a stand 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:25.200 by dad of TV and cinema for many years decades, 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:31.520 even moonstruck say Anything, struck anything. He was also right 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:37.440 on cheers um as a like piano player. Really yeah, 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:40.760 and then they had to they dropped details about him 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:43.240 that they then had to like, I guess go back 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:46.840 and kind of rewrite for Fraser the red cond a 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.280 couple of cheers things for Fraser, is what I've learned, 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:52.120 because that's why he has a piano in his apartment. 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:57.080 Maybe he really played the piano. Emily, you posted a 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:59.640 good meme that you made that was fifty shades of 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:05.840 Crane involved. Let's let's not dive right into crossovers. We're 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:10.200 gonna we'll get there eventually. But doesn't he sexually play 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.320 the piano in fifty Shades of Gray? Is that why? Yes? Yeah? 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:17.160 And he he sexually plays the piano to I think 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:21.440 purposefully comedic effect in this most recent one. But we'll 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.720 get there. We'll get there to our our Seattle trueba 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:29.560 doors in their high rise apartments. What what? What else 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:31.679 do we want to say about John Mahoney. He's a 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:35.400 good actor. He started late in in in life. I 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.480 feel like it's very inspirational. I think he didn't start 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:40.880 acting until he was in his late thirties. He had 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:45.680 some completely other career that was not showbiz related before that. Uh, 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.880 and then you know, fell to Colleen, took some acting 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:53.720 classes and you know, it was a successful working and Uh. 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.320 I think he did some theater. But he also did 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:58.560 a lot of voice work for a long time. Uh, 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.799 he was he had he um it's a voice worked 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:06.079 in Iron Giant, I remember. Uh. And also aunts which 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:07.720 I never saw, but I saw that when I looked 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:13.120 at his Wikipedia. Uh, the the off brand Bug's life. Uh. 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.240 And yeah, I just I think he was always such 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:20.360 a reassuring presence, not just because of my own association 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.560 with him with Fraser, but because he was just he 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.680 had such a good voice and like a good a 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:30.000 good dadlike demeanor, whether he was on the cranky end 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:34.120 or or less cranky. But Martin Crean's relationship with Eddie 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:37.800 was one of the least obnoxious, um fictional you know 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:41.880 person dog relationships. Think. You know, it's a fine line 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.160 between that being charming and it being like a little tweet, 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:48.400 especially when you start thinking about dog actors. You know, 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.280 it wasn't that dog an asshole. There were two dogs. 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:53.680 There was one dog, and then it was taking the 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.280 job was taken over by his son, who I think 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:58.240 it was name And I'm not sure this is right, 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:01.200 but I feel like I remember his son's name was Enzo. 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:05.600 And he did not take to the to the actors. 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.320 Something I just learned is that the horse that played 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.960 Mr Ed when he died was replaced with a different 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.640 horse for nine years and they just never told anybody. 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:20.480 Of course, of course, so r I P. John Maloney, 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:25.680 Uh and uh, yeah it was. It was sad, a 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:29.640 bittersweet note to begin Night Call on with his passing, 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:34.040 but we uh we honor him here at the at 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:38.680 both Night Call offices. Yes, across coast to coast, coast 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:45.080 to coast, Um, speaking of Seattle and luxury high rise 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:52.560 apartments with views, and uh, the erotic potential of piano playing, 0:04:54.920 --> 0:05:00.400 so much potential, so much potential. Uh, Emily, you saw 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:03.760 the new fifty Shades of great movie, fifty Shades Freed, 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:10.560 Freed Freed. Um. Yes, I saw it, not even twenty 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:14.200 four hours ago. I saw here to a press screening. Um, 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.279 and it will be out by the time our listeners 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.200 here this. So I'm gonna go all in unspoilers. I 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.440 do not care. And I know you guys haven't seen it, 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:24.840 but I said ahead of time, I was like, you 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:28.880 needn't to see it to talk. I'm seeing it. Um, yeah, 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.760 I mean I hadn't seen the second one confession, and 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:35.000 it did not prevent me from writing a review about it. 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:40.440 I think that the mythology and continuity across these three 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:44.040 films is probably the least important thing about them. I'm 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.280 gonna tell you all about the second one now, because 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.960 it's been nameless. Well no, because the second one has 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:53.080 all the revelations about him being his his biological mom 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:57.240 being like a crack addicted prostitute or something. Right, Yeah, 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:59.920 but it's really like brushed right past. It's like the 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:01.520 set up this sort of I think it's like a 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.800 blackmail plot or something, but it's like it's like an 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:08.680 anti plot movie. It's constructed in the weirdest way, and 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:12.359 this one has that in common. Then Yeah, it's like 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.400 everything that you think because of the poster and like 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:17.839 just the way it was marketed. Like there's this masquerade 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:21.560 ball that is supposed to be like the crazy climax, 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:25.320 but then it happens for five seconds. It's like one 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:27.640 of the characters who I think causes conflict just like 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:31.560 disappears and never returns to the movie. It's like, um, 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.480 it's like a weird It's like the Room. Yeah, there 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.120 was this. I was reading the Wikipedia summary just so 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.400 that I would kind of have an idea of what happened, 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:44.239 and there's like the funniest like Wikipedia, whoever wrote this 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:48.000 this entry is doing so much work for the movie 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:51.680 to try to make it make sense. Uh right, So 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.760 this is about the ending of of fifties shades darker 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.960 um as fireworks erupt in the sky. So so I 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:03.760 guess Christian Jean Gray has a helicopter accident, and then 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:08.000 because his life is in danger, Anastasia realizes that she 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.280 cares about him and wants to marry him. Uh, and 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:15.280 so so they proposed whatever blah blah blah okay, As 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:18.320 fireworks erupt in the sky, Jack Hide, who is like 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:21.600 her other boss that I guess she like dumped h 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.720 Jack Hide watches the festivities from Afar and burns Christians 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:29.040 face through the Gray family picture with the cigarette, silently 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:35.600 swearing revenge against silently swearing revenge against Christian and Anna 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:41.880 parentheses he he presumably had a role in sabotaging Christians helicopter. 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:47.559 It's just wow, they really really are trying trying to, 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:50.280 uh to clean up after the movie. There. No, That's 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.040 what I'm saying. You should watch the second one because 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:55.560 because the first one I think is good like I 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:59.520 will go to bat for the first one because Sam 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.080 Taylorson did such a good job with it and made 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.800 it so much better than it totally that it needed 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:08.400 to be eat. Yeah. Book is so incredibly bad, right. 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:12.880 They made Anastasia like really funny and identifiable, and Dakota 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.720 Johnson is just so charming that even though the plot 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.600 is ridiculous, you're still like, I want to just see her, 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.640 Like I just want to like follow her wherever whatever 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:25.280 kinky mischief she gets up to. You know, we Emily, 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.560 did you read did you read Fifty Shades? No? I didn't. 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.160 I remember this being an early thing that we talked 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.000 about because I I feel like you wrote something tests 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.520 about how um or maybe Molly wrote I can't remember, 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.040 but about how it was one of these big um 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:44.280 what would you call it? Console killers? Like what? Like 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:46.720 you know they have that phrase for video games, like 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.080 the game that makes you get the console, but it 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:52.840 was like that for kindle because because you didn't have 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:57.000 um yeah, because the cover of it is not identifiable, 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:58.880 so people on the train can't see that you're watching 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:03.080 or that you're reading in fifty Shades, which is brilliant. Um. 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:05.160 Of course, I totally, I'm such a snoop. I read 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:09.040 over everybody's shoulder. It is the least sexy book anyone 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:13.240 has ever written in their life. It's intensely on. Second, 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:15.640 we were trying to remember, there are words and phrases 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.520 that are repeated so odd, like I think one of 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:22.839 them was damn, damn damn. There's also whenever she gets 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:26.280 turned on the she says her inner goddess did the room. 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:32.120 But it is it is written like a seventh grader 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.560 who's never had sex or done anything, but as eaves 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:39.560 dropped on someone at some point, only gotten and it 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.760 reads like fan fiction, which is what it is. And 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:45.360 then the movie was like I because I was like, 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.000 I don't even know how you could make a watchable 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.959 movie out of this garbage. And then yeah, the movie 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:55.760 was like incredibly decent and uh, she's so great. He's 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.640 such a locks. It's too bad. Yeah, somebody in my 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:04.480 in my review of the um of the most recent film, 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.840 I kind of positive that the film is really just 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.600 all along. The appeal of the film is that you 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:17.160 identify with this, you know, bright, charismatic, funny girl who 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.600 is just like wrapping her life around this like void, 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:25.240 this this moneyed void. Uh in Christian Gray and that 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:28.200 there is something like you're like, why are you doing this? 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:31.160 Like you should be with anybody else, But she keeps 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:35.360 doing it and there's something kind of like face palmy 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:42.080 and identifiable about that. Uh. She's very good and she 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:45.400 makes it watchable. Although every time I see the trailer 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.280 for the new one, I'm just like, man, get your paycheck. 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.960 And she's out. She's already done her Luca Guadanino movie. 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.679 She's got two tracks going right now. I'm not worried 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:58.559 about her. She can just room balling out of there. Yeah. 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:02.120 It's so. It's so interest seen though. So like one 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.800 of the controversies I think about the book too, but 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:08.000 before the movies came out, was just that the way 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:12.000 that it kind of completely missed that for hens, I 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:16.120 think like what D s M even is and and 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.960 and what draws people to it, and that it's like 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:23.160 somehow some kind of symptom of childhood trauma as opposed 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.480 to just like a consensual thing that people do because 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:30.400 it's fun. It's also written from this weird, like moralistic 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.600 point of view where it's like he's like a bad 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:35.840 person for wanting to be into B D S M. 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.319 And she's like this good girl who would never do that, 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:41.480 and like, you know, she never does discover her like 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:43.280 in her love of it. She hates it the whole time, 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:45.760 which she hates it in the book, because that's one 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:47.800 of the fun things about the movies at least, is 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.120 that she seems to be really enjoying herself. And there's 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.720 this sequence in the most recent one that involves like 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:58.280 a giant glass but plug that Um, of course we 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.760 don't see an action, but it's just alluded to and 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:03.960 then it's kind of cutting back, so it starts the 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.560 scene there in the playroom and uh, and then it 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.120 kind of cuts between her later in her office at 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.200 work kind of remembering it and like having this big 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:16.000 goofy smile. Is she kind of flash reminiscing about the 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:20.960 giant Yeah, it's sweet. I was like, Oh, this is 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:24.520 like somebody who's just like having a an active and sexy, 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:29.480 like like healthy sex life and uh, and you know 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:31.840 it's it's satisfied with it and it didn't seem to 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.719 have any of the shame or like this is naughty 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:37.600 around it. That the rest of the weirdest thing about 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.640 fifty Shades Darker is that it's like the most wholesome 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:44.240 movie you've ever seen. What, Yeah, you like, you think 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:47.200 it's going to be like fifty Shades like Darker, and 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:50.480 then it's like about like no, it's all about like 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:54.679 monogamy leading to marriage and reproduction and like buying property. 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:58.240 It's like the most regular stuff this one too. They 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.520 get married at the beginning of it, and and they 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.120 are like sitting on the lawn with their bouncing babies, 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:05.439 like she has one baby and then she's pregnant with 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:07.160 another one, and it's just like this is what it 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:10.120 was all leading to. Um And don't they buy like 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:13.440 a giant real estate porn house. Yeah, they get this 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:18.000 like old mansion and and this like a sexy architect 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:20.800 by the way, I love that there's like a sexy 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:25.080 architect character in this this movie who's like trying to 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:27.920 get her to tear it down and build some modernist 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:30.360 thing and she's like, no, I like the old house 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:33.440 and has character. So but that's like one scene at 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:37.239 the beginns in the trailer. Uh, and it's like never revisited, 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:39.800 um as as I think a lot of the film 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:45.480 is not in the trail Uh No, it's completely ridiculous. 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.080 I mean the one thing it kind of tries to 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:50.720 do this thing of like, now that she's a married woman, 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:54.520 she's going to be the dom Uh. But I did 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:59.199 appreciate ultimately that it didn't extend that into the bedroom 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.760 like it wasn't she suddenly wanted to be dominant, because 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.840 I just would feel ridiculous. It was like nobody, I 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:09.960 don't know, it didn't it would feel disingenuous or something. Uh. 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:13.320 And you know, at least could acknowledge that somebody could 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.360 want to be like a career woman in the like 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.320 a bizarre flat way that she is a career woman 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.720 in the fifty Shades movie and she working like she's 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.640 like what does she do? Oh my god? This is 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.640 the best part of the new movie. She gets promoted 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:31.280 to fiction public or fiction editor at this at this 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:35.800 publishing imprint that she works at um and because because 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.680 Christian bought the company, I guess in the second the 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.880 second movie. Uh, and she's and then at one point 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.840 she's sort of worried because she thinks, oh, I only 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.200 got this job. I only got promoted because you're you 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:50.280 own the company. And he's like, no, you you learned 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:52.880 it with hard work and talent, and everybody in the 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:58.680 theater just burst out or just it was too bad. 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.560 He's like cotic. Is what makes it weird is that 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.080 he's psychotic and he's treated is like the romantic hero. 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.680 But then it's like his whole personality is like he 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:11.520 has to surveil her at all times and like control 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.160 every aspect of her life and the company that she 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:17.760 works for, and the books too is about her being 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:21.800 like well, actually, like that's the most romantic thing, like 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:23.840 anyone could do. Like he loves me so much. She 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:27.440 wants to possess everything about me. It's such a weird 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.880 inverse of how I feel, like any other writing I've 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:35.440 ever read about, like like the dynamic of a submissive 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.480 dominant relationship is like it's just like that's let's like 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:41.160 not sexy at all to have somebody who's not going 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.840 to let you hang out with your friends, which does. 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:47.960 But she also references like wathering it hights a bunch 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.280 of times, which I think is what she's going for. 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.600 You know, it's like you know Heathcliff that it's like, oh, 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.200 he's so bad, but you have to do it anyway. 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:59.280 And then you're in too deep. But then it's like, 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.080 of course it has end in marriage, like I don't 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.280 know if you could have that story. But then it's 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.600 like this is also going to be your husband. Yeah, 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:09.600 well that's also how it reads like, I mean it 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:14.480 is literally Twilight fan fiction originally. Yeah, that is kind 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:18.520 of still how it reads like, alright, like a person 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.960 who doesn't know anything about sex, and it's like basing 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.120 all their ideas off movies and books like Weathering Heights, 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.760 although like I don't think the Bronte Is had maybe 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.520 had sex when they wrote those books. The way you 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.680 phrased it, I was like, wait a second, what don't 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:37.760 I know about the Bronte sisters, But it's hard to 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.240 know if they had sex. But I mean, what's interesting 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.960 about like fifty Shades Yet? We were talking before we 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:48.560 started recording about how it is just so so on sexy, 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:51.720 but that so many people responded to it as if 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.840 it was sexy, and then you, especially reading the book, 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:59.160 you're just like, wow, it's like it's been vampire of 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.440 all it's sexy, right, It's just it's just like kind 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:06.840 of consumer symbols or something at this point, like it's 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.440 just something so that somebody on like Real Housewives of 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.240 Beverly Hills can be like, oh, we're having a fifty 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.080 Shades party tonight. It's like it's like a meme. It's 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:20.240 just a it's like a yeah, just like a trope 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:24.280 or something that doesn't it's completely devoid of anything resembling 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:28.000 sex or imagine if it had actually been sexy. Well, 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:30.639 the movies, I mean the movies again are like better 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:34.760 than the books because there's like moments where you're like, sex, no, 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:36.680 but there's a pardon is it the first one where 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.960 he like she like bites his toast or something where 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:43.040 you're like that's weird, Like, well, can I tell you 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:48.040 some a couple of things just isolated incidents, and so, um, 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:51.639 she gives him a hair cut at one point that 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:54.719 like it cuts to her starting to cut his hair 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:58.119 and it's playing like the sexy you know, neo soul 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:02.479 music or whatever like that's the dominant sound of of 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.560 the Fifty Shades movie, like an a Dell cover of 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:10.480 like Feeling Good or something like that. That's um, and look, 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:15.320 those movies gave us the Weekend's worth it and love Me, 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.600 Love Me like you do, which they both good songs. 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:20.840 Come on. They run that back at the end with 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:24.080 like a literal super cut of all the movies. Uh, 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:28.840 it's pretty amazing. And maybe a string section. Yeah yeah, 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:33.800 Actually it's like an orchestral rendering of love, like Molly's 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:37.840 writing the fourth right now. You can do fan fiction 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:41.720 of fan fiction, um for the strings and what else. 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.280 There's a scene where they are in a kitchen in 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.919 a vacation home and she's eating Ben and Jerry's and 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:52.040 then um, they start to have like I guess food 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:55.719 sex with the ice cream and he appears to spoon 0:18:55.840 --> 0:19:00.960 a dollop of it into her vagina. It's not also 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.879 also not clear, and I was sitting next to Rachel Handler, 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:09.800 my editor at Vulture. You guys, uh, you guys know, 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.040 and she uh pointed out that that was terrible for 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:17.320 her pH absolutely awful. You're going to get an infection 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:21.880 for sure, and also freezing cold. Yeah, not fun? What else? 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:24.840 Uh oh yeah, what's Yeah. The haircut scene is like 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.600 bizarrely sexy without being sexy at all. But they're just 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.880 like playing seductive music while she's getting giving them a haircut. 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.159 And I thought that was pretty great and the best 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:35.400 line of all and the whole thing is when she's 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:38.959 being a successful career woman like editor at the at 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:42.399 the publishing company, and he's like instructing a group of 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.600 underlings and points to one of them, says, increase the 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:51.919 font size by two points, and uh yeah, I was 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:56.800 that's what I'm publishing is like, well, publishing is all 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:59.080 about like her. I guess her boss, the guy who's 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:03.000 like trying to have as venge is she was sleeping 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.160 with him in the second one, and I just feel 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:08.000 like it all feels a little bit uh you know, 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.960 shitty medium in uh oh yeah, her one. In the 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:15.119 first one, he was like her evil publishing boss like 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:17.360 trying to get him get her to sleep with him 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:19.840 like advance, and she won't. She doesn't even sleep with 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:22.919 him because the movies aren't that interesting. Wait, she doesn't 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:26.920 sleep with him. No, it's like you have to watch 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:30.639 the second one. You're missing so much contexts mythology. What 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:35.399 I'm going to say about those movies is that in 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:39.280 two of them, uh, they sold me a lipstick because 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:41.879 Dakota Johnson is so beautiful that I was like, I 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:44.840 must know which lipsticks she's wearing in the second one 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:47.080 because it looked so good and then I bought it. 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:52.199 She's so great. I can't wait. Ilia ellipstick called Arabian Nights. 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:54.920 It's like a very um she's got like a very 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:59.040 glossier type look like it's like a half tinted kind 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:01.960 of it's the Deweys, that's what. Yeah, she looks very 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:06.200 very aspirational in all those movies, and that's part of it. 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:10.120 It's just it's they're fine, they're enjoyable. Fine, yeah I'm 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:14.960 not when I am more actually like opposed to in them. 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:17.760 Aside from whatever ridiculous sex stuff they get up to. 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:21.840 Is just like the way that they feel dated even 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:26.000 now is how like um, like rich porn. They are 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:28.919 like billionaire poor they are porn there. It's just like 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:31.560 very it feels very gossip girl in a very low 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:35.800 rent way, and it's just not at all interesting at all, 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:38.680 and it feels like it's cushion, Like we can get 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:40.520 away with the sex stuff as long as we like 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:43.720 really double triple reassure you that this guy is super rich, 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:46.000 because then it's like okay for him to do devian 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:50.640 sex stuff. He's like the youngest millionaire billionaire in Seattle. 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:53.879 It's so it's so silly because the thing is like 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:56.159 it's not even like an older man thing like you 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:59.320 thinking would be. It's like she's like twenty and he's 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:04.480 like a twenty six year old million year It's so 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:10.280 weird year old anyone ever met. Yeah, he's like a 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:13.520 tech billionaire. But you know, yeah, there's like something interesting 0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:16.040 that could be in these movies about like oh, you know, 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:20.080 she is so into him and he can buy her everything, 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:22.520 but it's like this empty life but they don't go there. 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:24.399 There just like, oh, he can buy her everything, and 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:27.520 that's the best thing anyone could want. 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