1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume. The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport, there is a contest for every fan Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Today, on a Monday, I'm 6 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: going to give you maybe my most unique interview ever. 7 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: So people are celebrating Joey Chestnut for his record breaking accomplishment. 8 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: Not to take anything from Joey, but I'm going to 9 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: have somebody on today that literally is an a league 10 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: of his own when it comes to ridiculously amazing human achievement. 11 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: Ultra marathoner Dean Carnassus. You won't believe this. He runs 12 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: two hundred mile relay races where he's competing against teams 13 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: of twelve. They take turns, he doesn't. That's just one 14 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: of his incredible accomplishments as a runner. Myself, I had 15 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: to have him one. I run every other day, three 16 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: and a half four miles. I got to hear how 17 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: he manages to run desert mountains. You're not going to 18 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,639 Speaker 1: believe his story. Now. First, first, he's in five minutes. 19 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: Let's talk NBA finals, Phoenix should be favored over Milwaukee. 20 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: Here's the way I would look at it, and here's 21 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: why I like Phoenix to win in five games, maybe six, 22 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: but five on a scale of one to ten, one 23 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: being your worst basketball, ten being your best. Phoenix always 24 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: feels like they're always in the seven to a seven 25 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: and a half range and up Milwaukee will give you 26 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: a ten and eight and a half, nine and three fives. 27 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: I just don't feel I get a consistent effort from 28 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: Milwaukee because I don't trust their coach, and I don't 29 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: trust Chris Middleton to deliver three or four straight great games. 30 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: I do Devin Booker and Chris Paul and DeAndre Ayton. 31 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: I also know Phoenix has the best free throw shooting 32 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: player in the league in Chris Paul. What does that 33 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: mean advantage late in games? Milwaukee now has the worst 34 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: free throw shooting star left Janis. What does that mean? 35 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: A liability late? The big advantage for the Bucks is 36 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: size and the elevation of DeAndre Ayton's play in the 37 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: last what two months cancels that out home court Sons, 38 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: healthier team, sons, more rested sons, better coach, sons, much 39 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: better star, free throw shooter late in game, sons, and 40 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: I think they play with an urgency that Milwaukee sometimes 41 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: does and sometimes doesn't. Also, I want to talk about this, 42 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: the nil ruling, name image likeness. College football players and 43 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: all college athletes have a chance to get paid. College 44 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: football stars, quarterbacks, star receiver have a chance to make 45 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: some real money. Listen, words matter. Every weekend, I get up, 46 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: I run what they call honeydus. Now that's a lot 47 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: friendlier term than errands for my wife. Honey do this, 48 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: honey do that. They're called honeydus. So I'll go for 49 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: a morning jog, a morning lift, and that I know, 50 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: from maybe nine to eleven, I do honeydus. Words matter. 51 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: It's softer. It makes me want to help my wife. 52 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: If she said go run, some errands wouldn't feel the 53 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: same way. Why do I bring this up? Words matter? 54 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: Some people are calling the new system for college athletes 55 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: payment for the athletes. I would call it compensation. That's 56 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: the right word. Marion Webster's definition of compensation is to 57 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: make an appropriate and usually counterbalancing payment. Two. So let's 58 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: be honest about this appropriate compensation for ninety five percent 59 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: of all college athletes across all sports, football to lacrosse 60 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: to table tennis is a scholarship, room and board. Travel 61 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: marketing feels pretty appropriate. Then there's the five percent, the 62 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: star gymnast who makes the Olympics, the soccer goalie who 63 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: makes the World Cup, the NBA star, and they keep 64 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: mentioning he went to Duke or Kansas, or the football 65 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: star from Alabama or Ohio State. All that free publicity 66 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: is great for the schools and forever everything was under 67 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: the table. Spencer Rattler, Oklahoma. Do you know how much 68 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: publicity he gives Oklahoma? Now you could say, well, Oklahoma's 69 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: always good. No, John Blake once coached them, they went 70 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: into the tank and networks took him off TV. The 71 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: reality is, for any star athlete, male or female in 72 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: college sports, they give enormous amounts of free publicity to universities, 73 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: and it's time for not a payment, but a reasonable compensation. 74 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: We're all going to be okay now, it's not going 75 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: to change the landscape. Years and years ago, college football 76 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: was worried that the same teams were dominating, and so 77 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: back then an individual school a USC in Oklahoma could 78 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: have one hundred and twenty players on scholarship, and what 79 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: big college football programs would do is they would just 80 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: sign players to keep them away from rivals. So they 81 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: reduced it to eighty five scholarships. Now think about that, 82 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: thirty five fewer players on scholarship. We've never had greater 83 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: imbalance in college football. Why great players want to go 84 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: to great programs and great coaches. So I think with 85 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: name image likeness, a lot of the small school people 86 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: or the non traditional powers think it's an opening. It's 87 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: really not. Players still want to go play in sold 88 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: out stadiums in the biggest conferences with the coaches that 89 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: get them drafted in the first or second round. In 90 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: ten years, you're going to see two or three se 91 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: seapowers Oklahoma, Texas, USC and Oregon out west. You know, 92 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: somebody a Miami of Florida State, Clemson in the ACC 93 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: in Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin will still be rolling. 94 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: It's not really going to change anything, like the College 95 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: Football Playoff is not really going to change anything. It 96 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: will get a few more eyes on programs that otherwise 97 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't get it. But college football has been trying for 98 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: fifty years to make it a more even playing field. 99 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: An Alabama, Ohio state still dominate. But I like it 100 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: for the Tebows, the Reggie Bushes, the Vince Young's, you know, 101 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: the Olympic star on your campus, the occasional male or 102 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: female college basketball star that's got a great bubbly personality 103 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: or as attractive. Hey, knock it out of the park. 104 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: But it's not going to change the sport. It's not. 105 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: Card dealers have been fined in ways to get players 106 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: money forever. Now it'll be more upfront. Something else I 107 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: want to touch on that I noticed this weekend, So 108 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: I turned on an MLS game Columbus Crew for about 109 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: thirty forty minutes. I watched the Dodgers and the Nationals 110 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: for about an hour. So I was just bouncing around 111 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: television watch the Hawks and the Bucks. You know, the pandemic, 112 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: and I think in the history of our country, I'm 113 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: old enough mid fifties now where I've seen stock market 114 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: crashes nine to eleven, a pandemic, the country uniquely bounces 115 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: back from all of these. And this has always been 116 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: a country that has tribal, rabid sports followings. The South 117 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: loves are college football, the Northeast loves are baseball. The 118 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: NBA has pockets and seemingly everywhere loves the NFL. But 119 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: it's almost like the pandemic and shutting us down our 120 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: social interaction and our ability to go to games has 121 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: really ignited a passion fire in sports. Every game, every sport, 122 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: men's and women's. I turned on this weekend. Fans were insane. 123 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: And you know, I think a lot of times we 124 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: take stuff for granted. I mean NFL, for instance, there 125 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: had been declining attendance over the last several years. That 126 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: does not mean people don't care about the NFL. It 127 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: means the quality of home viewing, man caves, home theaters 128 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: is so profound. More people in bad weather cities would 129 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: rather stay home once you get to Thanksgiving and beyond. 130 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: And it was a gradual decline. But I do think 131 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: sometimes we forget the opportunities we have in this country. 132 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: And it's been really refreshing. Doesn't matter the weather, it 133 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: can be humid in the South or the Northeast. These 134 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: baseball crowds are just fantastic. And I think the pandemic 135 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: and the lack of socialization is sort of a minder 136 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: how much we need each other. And I know that 137 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: sounds corny, but by the way. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe 138 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: fans have always jam stadiums and had this level of 139 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: euphoria off a base knock that drives in a tying run. 140 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: But it just feels like we are clamoring to be 141 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: around people and clamoring for juice and energy at sporting events. 142 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: And it was palpable. I mean, it just jumped through 143 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 1: the television set. And now Dean Carnassus named by Time 144 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: magazine as one of the hundred most influential people in 145 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: the world. He famously ran fifty marathons in fifty states 146 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: in fifty consecutive days on ten separate occasions. He's run 147 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: a two hundred mile relay race against teams of twelve. 148 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: He has raced and competed on all seven continents twice. 149 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: And I welcome in, perhaps the opposite of Joey Chestnut, 150 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: Dean Carnassis. So I want to start with this, Dean 151 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: a runner's high. I run three and a half four 152 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: miles at a time, so my high would be more 153 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: like a one to kig two hundred mile high is 154 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: different when you go to a very unique place, you know, 155 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 1: mile eighty eight, mile one forty, Where does it take 156 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: you psychologically, emotionally. You know, you become very in the 157 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: moment when you're doing these sort of events. They're so commanding, 158 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: they so own you, that there's not a lot of 159 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: extraneous thought going through your mind. I know a lot 160 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 1: of people say, what do you think about when you 161 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: run for that long? At a point, you don't think 162 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: at all. You just respond, You're in the here and now, 163 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: in the present moment of time, and you just try 164 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: to take your next step to the best of your ability. 165 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: You have to have some degree of pain tolerance. You're 166 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: on a athlete and a great athlete. In a two 167 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: hundred mile run, is there a thresholding for you when 168 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: you know, going in, here's the pain. The pain starts 169 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 1: in mile eighty mile one fifty. Do you sort of know, 170 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: generally speaking, how the races will go, how the runs 171 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: will go. I have a general idea, But the problem 172 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: is no two race, No two ultra marathons are ever 173 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: quite alike, and a lot of running an ultra marathon 174 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: is problem solving. Inevitably, you have issues with dehydration, or 175 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: your gear might fail you, or you might have nausea 176 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: from over eating or eating the wrong foods. So I 177 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: go into with the mindset, you know, here's what happened 178 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: last time I ran this hundred mile race, But this 179 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: one hundred mile race might be a different experience. I 180 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: can't eat eggs on the day of a race. It's 181 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: just my body. I can't eat within two hours of 182 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: running during a race. I would do maybe maybe once 183 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 1: in a thirteen mile run. Water, wouldn't even do gatorade. 184 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 1: Not interested in bananas. On a two hundred mile race, 185 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: you'd need meals. I mean, at some point your body 186 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: has to be able to handle some level of sugar. 187 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: It doesn't work for me. If I have food in 188 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: my body, it weakens me. How big of a meal 189 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: can you eat on a two hundred mile run. Well, 190 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: it's funny you should ask that question. I don't think 191 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: I'll ever live beyond the story from my first book, 192 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: which is called Ultra Marathon Man, being on that two 193 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: hundred mile run that you refer to, which indeed, for 194 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: others was a twelve person relay team. I was just 195 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: doing it solo as a team of one, and I 196 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: was out in the middle of nowhere in this back 197 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: country road. I didn't have any crew around. I completely 198 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: run out of food. But I had a credit card 199 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: and a cell phone, so I ordered a pizza delivered 200 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: to me. How did that work out? Well? I told them. 201 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: I told them not to slice it and to make 202 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: it with a really thin crust. And then when they 203 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: delivered it to me, I pulled it out of the 204 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: box and I just rolled it into this big Italian 205 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: burrito and just ate it as I ran, and it 206 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: got all over me. It was It was a real mess, 207 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: but it was so good. And I know a lot 208 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: of listeners are probably thinking, how do you possibly eat 209 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: a pizza while you're running? You have to remember this 210 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: was a two hundred mile runs. I was running for 211 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: nearly forty eight hours NonStop, and you can only have 212 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: so many energy gels and so many power bars before 213 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: you crave something more, more substance. There's kind of a 214 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: runner's code. I've always felt it when I run half marathons. 215 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: There's this sense of silent suffering, humility, modesty. Runners there's 216 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: a certain badge of honor to deal with a certain 217 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: level of pain. You are now well known, obviously in 218 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: the running world of celebrity. Does that ever make you 219 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: a target? Have you been criticized for that? Because you 220 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: go out and acknowledge. Listen, I take on twelve guys. 221 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: How does that land for you? Do you ever get 222 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: any blowback? I certainly have, and it was a bit 223 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: shocking at first, because I you know, I'm pretty humble guy. 224 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I view myself like any other runner. I 225 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: think running, to your point teaches you humility because it 226 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: will cut you down just when you think you know 227 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: you're a hot shot. But some people who have said 228 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: you know that I'm getting too much attention and that 229 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: I'm bringing too much noise to the sport. For me, 230 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: I don't see a downside of more people running. I 231 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: think people that run are more humble, as you stated, 232 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: I think they're more grounded. I think they're in better 233 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: physical and mental condition, and I also think that they're 234 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: more environmentally conscious. When the area you're breathing really matters, 235 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: you tend to care about it a bit more. So. 236 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: I have gotten a bit of pushback or blowback, but 237 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: it's been a very small It's not like a big 238 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: time athlete, nothing right, you know, the big time guys. 239 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm getting a very very small percentage. We've 240 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: all had that dream tie game. Bottom of the ninth 241 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: bases loaded well. On FanDuel's Sportsbook, you get more than 242 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: one shot to swing for the fences because fanduls letting 243 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: you place your first bet risk free. That's right. New 244 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: users get up to one thousand bucks back insight credit 245 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: if your first bet doesn't win, and it only gets 246 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: better from there. Check out Fandel's new promo Live every 247 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: Tuesday five dollar Dinger Tuesdays. Place a twenty five dollar 248 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: wager or more on any player to hit a home 249 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: run on Tuesday and get a five dollar bonus insight 250 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: credit for every home run hit in a game max 251 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,359 Speaker 1: twenty five bucks. Make your MLB picks for the FanDuel 252 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: Sportsbook app. Same Game Parlay is preferred any local player. 253 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: You would place a twenty five plus home run wager 254 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: on this Tuesday to opt in to the promotion. My 255 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: pick show. Hey Otani, there's a reason FanDuel Sports Book 256 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: is America's number one sports book. The app is simple 257 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: to use, great odds, all different betting markets, unique fund 258 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: bet types like same game parlay, which is great. They're 259 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: Same game Parlay is fantastic. Always on promotions to let 260 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: you get more action out of every game and when 261 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: you win. FanDuel pays your winnings and as little as 262 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: twenty four hours they do. Just download the fan Duel 263 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: sports Book app sign up promo code Colin to get 264 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: in on the Action FanDuel sports Book Promo code Colin 265 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: twenty one plus and present in Indiana or Jersey. First 266 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: online real money wager only for risk, free bet refund 267 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: and bonus issued as non withdrawable site credit that expires 268 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: in seven days. Max bonus twenty five bucks. A game 269 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: restrictions apply see terms at sportsbook dot Fmduel dot com. 270 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: Gaming problem call one eight hundred and nine with it 271 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: in Indiana or one eight hundred Gambler in Jersey. So 272 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: you're a sports fan, right, that's why you're listening. But 273 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: if you're considering getting in on the fun of sports gambling, 274 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: I want to let you know about a great resource, 275 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: the Action Network. The Action Network is where fans go 276 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: when they're ready to bet smarter and turn a profit 277 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: betting on sports. In fact, they're free Action Network app Free, 278 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: recently named the best app in sports betting. With the 279 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: Action app, you can one see the latest picks and 280 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: articles from the Action Network gambling experts too. Compare odds 281 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: from different sports books and three track every bet you 282 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: make so you always know how your picks are doing. 283 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 1: So if the game means more to you, download the 284 00:17:55,040 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: free Action Network app and start betting smarter, do you? 285 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: How does it affect your personal life a marathon? You know, 286 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: for me also, when I ran half marathons for at 287 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: least two to three days, my sleep was tremendous. I 288 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: just I felt really great. I just would take three 289 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: or four days off from running. How daunting. When you 290 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: run your longest races and these are like, you know, 291 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: seventy five, one hundred, one hundred and twenty five mile races, 292 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: what's your recovery look like? You know, it depends on 293 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: how well you keep your electrolytes in balance. If things 294 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: go well and you don't dehydrate, you know, the recovery 295 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: can be a couple of weeks, if you you know, 296 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: if things really blow up, it can be a couple 297 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: of months. You can feel like you've been in a 298 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: train wreck. But you speak of this kind of afterglow, 299 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: this two day afterglow after a half marathon. You know, 300 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: the afterglow from a hundred mile race can last for 301 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: two weeks where you just feel like you're in a cloud. 302 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: Even though your body's very destroyed, you're in this kind 303 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: of euphoria. I heard one of your interviews, and I've 304 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: watched several over the last couple of weeks, that you 305 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: have a slight genetic advantage. And by the way, Michael 306 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: Jordan was very springy as an athlete, Lamar Jackson. You know, 307 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: there's certain athletes they call them a Dean twitchy. There's 308 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: certain people that are twitchy physically. You have a little 309 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: bit of a genetic edge, and I'd love you to 310 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: talk about that, because I just heard a brief snippet 311 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: of it and I thought it was fascinating. Well, it 312 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: involves lactic acid in the production of lactic acid, and 313 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: if you're an athlete, you might be familiar with the 314 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: phenomena of say, doing dumbbell curls, and after about seven 315 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: or eight dumbell curls, you feel your muscles starting to 316 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: burn and the sting and to start twitching. And that's 317 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: kind of the accumulation of lactic acid. You know, if 318 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: you put down the dumbell and you you know, you 319 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: shake your arm out and you give it a minute 320 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: or two, you can resume doing more curls, but then 321 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: eventually you'll hit that same kind of phenomena where the 322 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: burning and the you know, the pain sets in and 323 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: you can't lift any further. I seem to have an 324 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: ability not to accumulate lactic acid. So there's you know, 325 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: tests they do on treadmills, and they found that, you know, 326 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: my ability, and we're not talking about a sprint calling 327 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: just so you're aware, I mean, this is not a 328 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: you know, one hundred meter sprint. This is at longer 329 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: durations where your heart rate is elevated but not above 330 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: eighty percent of your maximum heart rate. And they just said, 331 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: you know, theoretically, if you could take in enough calories, 332 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: you could you could run forever, which kind of a 333 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: scary thought. Yeah, when did you talking to other runners, 334 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: did you sense you had a genetic edge? When did 335 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: you when were you illuminated on this advantage? Well, it 336 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: just to be clear, every you know, you would have 337 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: this advantage over a lay person as well. Every runner 338 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: has a better improved ability to buffer lack the acid. 339 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: So it's it's an adaptation for everyone that every runner 340 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: experienced it. I just seemed to exacerbate it a bit 341 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: and it occurred to me when I was running some races. 342 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: How I just I don't sweat that much. And also 343 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: that I never cramped, like I don't have muscle cramps, 344 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: And other people would complain about muscle cramping and they'd 345 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: have to stop and kind of rub out their muscles, 346 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: And this never happened to me, And I thought, why 347 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: why don't you experience these things? But part of me 348 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: was very thankful, because cramps look really painful. If I 349 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: don't get them, I'm glad I've got this little ability. Yeah, 350 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: when you talked about getting dehydrated in a race, so 351 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 1: I've never experienced that. So take a listener me into this. 352 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: The handful of times you've gotten dehydrated, what is the 353 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: physical like dimensions you deal with the pain for an 354 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: elite athlete, you're dehydrated, because I would have guessed once 355 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: you're dehydrated, you can't catch up in that race. It's 356 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: too late. You've you've gone past a mark that there's 357 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,959 Speaker 1: no return. Yeah, it's the death spiral, we call it. 358 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: And you know I'll take you to a race called 359 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: the Badwater Ultra Marathon, which is one hundred and thirty 360 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: five mile NonStop a foot race across Death Valley in 361 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: the middle of summer, so the temperatures can easily get 362 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: above one hundred and twenty and sometimes above one hundred 363 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: and thirty degrees. And I've been running the Badwater Ultra 364 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: Marathon and experienced like heat exhaustion and gotten very nauseous, so, 365 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: you know, vomited and couldn't keep anything in my stomach. 366 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 1: But I just willed myself to continue onward, and I 367 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: started hallucinating very vividly. I saw dinosaurs in the distance, 368 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: there were ghosts on either side of me, running alongside me. 369 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: And at a point I was running and I saw 370 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: a stick figure between my feet. It looked like a 371 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: praying mantis, perhaps running between my feet, and I was 372 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: staring down at this you know, this thing, this bug, 373 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: trying to make sense of it, and it occurred to 374 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: me that that was me that I was. I think 375 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: it was an out of body experience actually, where I 376 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: was kind of looking down at myself from high above 377 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: as I was running, and then then I then I 378 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: blocked out, literally passed out, and was driven to safety. Wow. Heat, 379 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: I would imagine, is a much greater opponent than cold, 380 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: or is it. It depends on how cold. So I've 381 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: I've actually run a marathon to the South Pole and 382 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: the temperature was, you know, minus forty degrees and that 383 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: was I think more difficult than heat. Just because you 384 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: couldn't have any of your skin exposed to the air, 385 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: you get frostbite. And you had to run with a 386 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: neo prem muffler in front of your face because you 387 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: couldn't breathe in the super chilled air, it would freeze 388 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: your trachea. So I think that that extreme cold is 389 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: more difficult than heat. How do you because you're well built, 390 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: I mean just from your facial structure, I would not 391 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: know you run one hundred miles. I have seen runners, 392 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: extreme runners who are more gaunt than you. How do 393 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: you keep weight on? What is your diet? Like? My 394 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 1: diet is very good nowadays. So I like to say, 395 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: if I can't pick it from a tree, or dig 396 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 1: it from the earth, or catch you with my hands, 397 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: I won't eat it. So I don't eat processed or 398 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: refine foods. Nothing, you know, nothing in a bag or 399 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: in a box. One of my mentors was a gentleman 400 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: by the name of Jack Lolane. Do you okay? Yeah? 401 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: Jack Lane told me he said Dean. If man makes it, 402 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: don't eat it, and if it tastes good, spit it out. 403 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: So I'm kind I'm kind of eating like a cave man. 404 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: But the other thing I do is I cross train 405 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: daily quite intensely. I do a type of hit training. 406 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: In fact, I did a quick session right before our interview, 407 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: and it's primarily with body weight, but it's push ups, 408 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: pull ups, sit ups, chair dips, and something called burbies, 409 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: and I do about five or six reps throughout the 410 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: course of the day. It's just to build my my 411 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: muscle mass. I think that I want longevity in my 412 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: running and to you know, to last a long time, 413 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: you just have to be built solidly. You've run like 414 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: seven different continents, um you know some I imagine higher altitude. 415 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: Is there a city to you, Deem that you felt 416 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: like from altitude to weather to climate, and you thought 417 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: this is a perfect running city, a perfect running region. Yeah. 418 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: I think the Pacific Northwest actually checks all those boxes. 419 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: Even I love running around Vancouver in British Columbia, and 420 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: I think that there's areas in Patagonia that are just 421 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: the same. There's a city called Punta Arenas, which is 422 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: at the very tip of South America. Running in Namibia 423 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: was incredibly arid, but there was a cool you know, 424 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: it's a desert, but there's a cool ocean breeze coming 425 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: in off the Atlantic. I could spend this entire interview 426 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: talking about places I've been and how they kind of 427 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: measure up to that criteria set forth. Well, I grew 428 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: up Dean in the Pacific Northwest, so I grew up 429 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: on the beach in Washington State. So when I was 430 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 1: in Portland, I ran more than I've ever run in 431 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: my life. I found it. It was fifty four degrees, light, rain, cloudy, 432 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: and I ran half marathons and it was not effortless. 433 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: But there was no question heat deteriorates me quickly. There 434 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: was no question. In Portland, which is one of the 435 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: great biking running cities in America, it was the ideal climate. 436 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no question. It's I grew up on 437 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: the coast of Washington and you run on the beach 438 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: with a slight breeze, it feels like it expands my 439 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: running ability about fifty percent. Do you sense when you 440 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: run in better ideal conditions there is an elevation for 441 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: you and it's substantial. But the thing is, I love 442 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: the heat. I get real cold in the Pacific Northwest. 443 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: I'm Greek Greek, so to me, a city like Athens 444 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: that you would probably find unbearably hot is ideal. I 445 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: really feel like I'm my full self in a warmer 446 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: conditions in the Pacific Northwest? Can you enjoy views at 447 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: mile one oh nine one thirty eight? Can do you 448 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: have the ability to emotionally enjoy a panoramic view? Are 449 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: you so deep into the moment, as you said earlier, 450 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: that it's sort of lost on you. No, I think 451 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: the experience is heightened. I think that you see profound 452 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,719 Speaker 1: beauty when you're at those stages of a race. I 453 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: think that your very your your emotions are just very alive. 454 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: You're really acutely attuned to the environment. And that's one 455 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: of the things I love about this sport. It's almost 456 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: like a rebirth when you finish, it's it's like a cleansing, 457 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: a rejuvenation, because you see things through fresh eyes. I 458 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: imagine your wife, who you've been with a long time, 459 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: has to kind of embrace and accept this. Is it 460 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,239 Speaker 1: hard to manage this lifestyle and a life. I mean 461 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: it's been glorious. You know, my kids have traveled to 462 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: I think five continents now. One time, I ran fifty 463 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: marathons in all of the fifty US states in fifty days, 464 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: and so it was an incredible road trip. And I 465 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: brought my entire family, my parents, my wife, and my children, 466 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: so they got to see I mean what kids, you know, 467 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: My son was nine and my daughter was eleven. I 468 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: mean what kids at age get to see all fifty 469 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: states and you know, and meet people and experience the food. 470 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: So there's been some real high highs. You know. The 471 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: difficulty is that there's there's there's no blueprint for making 472 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: a living doing what I'm doing. You know, if you're 473 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: a traditional sports player, you know, like you know, hoops 474 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: or baseball or basket or football, it's pretty clear the progression. 475 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you played good high school ball, 476 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: you know, you get drafted into a nice college, or 477 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: I should say, you get a scholarship to a nice college. 478 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: But these days you might even get drafted into the 479 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: pros right out of high school. But if you don't, 480 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: you know, you play collegiate wall and then you know, 481 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: you transition into pros and all the infrastructures in place, 482 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: you know, running an ultra marathon. Most of these races 483 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: don't have prize money. I mean, you get a belt 484 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: buckle you finish. So figuring out how to make a 485 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: living doing this and then throwing myself at it and 486 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: for three decades, you know, hoping that I can still 487 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: pull together sponsorship and endorsements. It's kind of risky. Yeah, 488 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: you know. Steve Prefontaine talked about the ability to kind 489 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: of digest pain at a higher level. Are there races 490 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: of great length, let's say, over one hundred miles where 491 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: it's just perfect for you? There isn't pain that you 492 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: do feel like every race dem is not the same, 493 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: and there are better races and worst races, and there 494 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: are times where something is off. And you know, I mean, listen, 495 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, there's the flu game. Uh. You know their 496 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: players talk about being in the zone. Are you always 497 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: in the zone or are there just days you're a 498 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: better performer? Yeah? I can't figure it out. Sometimes I 499 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: taper thinking I should taper longer before race, and I 500 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: have a horrible race. Other times I have a great race. 501 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,959 Speaker 1: I can't figure out the formula to bring it all together. 502 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: But there have been those races that are magical where 503 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: you know, I run one hundred miles and sixteen hours 504 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: and I feel like I could keep going at the 505 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: finish line. So it's really somewhat unpredictable. You know, I've 506 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: I've certainly pushed the envelope in both regards. I've had beautiful, 507 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: well executed hundred milers and I've suffered tremendously and got 508 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: to the finish line. Sometimes it's the races that you 509 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: suffer just to make it to the finish line that 510 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: you remember with the fondest. You know, the fondest of 511 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: recollections is the longer race always the harder. Or have 512 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: you gone on forty mile runs and because of the 513 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: terrain it's just a difficult forty mile run for you? Yeah, 514 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: I mean I've run across this Sahara Desert and I'll 515 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: tell you forty miles in deep sand. You know, when 516 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: you're post rolling up to your knees is how you 517 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: know you're you're struggling to maintain a twenty to twenty 518 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: five minute mile. You know, normally a flat train, you 519 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: know it's a six minute mile, you know, Dean, all 520 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: of this is fascinating to me. So I run about 521 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: three and a half miles four to five days a week. 522 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: I've always had a rule I don't run three days 523 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: in a row, and because I want to run for 524 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: the rest of my life, So I run two days, 525 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: I lift, I run two days day off, lift, run 526 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: two days. This could be just nonsense, but I have 527 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: no pain when I run. I'm fifty seven years old. 528 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: If I want to just maintain kind of this three 529 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: and a half to four is there any benefit on 530 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: just running three and a half Is there any real 531 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: physics cool benefit do you believe? Absolutely? Absolutely? And you 532 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: know that. I don't know the pacer maintaining. I don't 533 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: know if you wear a heart rate monitor, but you 534 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: know getting your heart rate elevated for those three and 535 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: a half miles is even more beneficial. Yeah, I run 536 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: slight elevation about an eight to fifteen mile. That's it. 537 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: How's that? I think it's great. I mean, I think 538 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: the one thing you want to try to avoid is 539 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: what they called the black hole of just doing the 540 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: same pace every day, you know, doing your best that 541 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: you can do every three and a half mile run. 542 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: I think it makes more sense to follow a hard 543 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: easy protocol where one day you might run nine even 544 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: nine fifteen miles and another day you might try to 545 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: go sub eight, maybe go seven and a half minute miles, 546 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: So really pushing it really hard on one run and 547 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: then the next day or the you know, the subsequent 548 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: day backing off and forcing yourself to really slow down. Well, 549 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: this has been great. So what is your pre race meal? 550 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: I fast, I don't eat. I don't like starting a 551 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: race with anything in my gut, so I typically just 552 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:11,280 Speaker 1: have I drink coffee, so just coffee and water. Wow, 553 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: So you won't eat twelve hours before a race, I 554 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: don't eat. Yeah, dinner and then sleep and then you know, 555 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: start probably eating maybe an hour or two into the race. 556 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,399 Speaker 1: In Portland they had a Hood to Coast relay where 557 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: you ran overnight, and I gotta tell you, the overnight 558 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: running is eerie, but is spectacular. Do you prefer day 559 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 1: or night? Your sense about running at night? I've done 560 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: that race myself and I'll tell you what it was. 561 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: The night run was amazing. I didn't I didn't have 562 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: eleven teammates like you, so I got to be there 563 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: all night. But it was amazing. And also seaside was amazing. 564 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 1: You know the finish, You're something else, man Bean. It's 565 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: an absolute pleasure. The book is called a Runners High. 566 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: He also wrote the two thousand and five bestseller Ultra 567 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: marathon Man, Confessions of an All Night Runner. Well, Dean, 568 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,399 Speaker 1: thanks again. I appreciate it. I hope we can run 569 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: together one day. I want to thank Dean for coming on. 570 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: I'm going to celebrate that with some gluttony of my own. 571 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: I'm probably closer to Joey Chestnut than Dean. Maybe a 572 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: maple bar, a couple cokes. I'll be good at the 573 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: volume Sports, Twitter and Instagram, Rate review, subscribe, Have a 574 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: great holiday week. Got some good guests coming up. Dan Marley, 575 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: former Phoenix sun Mark Sanchez a Name Image Likeness Loaded 576 00:35:42,920 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: week coming up. Enjoy the volume.