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Speaker 1: it's it's it's all temporary. Even if it works for

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Speaker 1: the media is gonna end up stabbing you ask Senator McCain. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're dumping on him after him being their

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Speaker 1: with these people. But in this case, you have the

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Speaker 1: administration talking to them, and they have to talk to them.

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Speaker 1: But to think that there was a chance that the administrations,

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Speaker 1: there's just a different way to approach him, you know,

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Speaker 1: I know why you're here, Mr reporter. You're here to

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Speaker 1: here to lie about us blah blah, put him on

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Speaker 1: the defensive. Uh. And Uh. The last thing they want

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Speaker 1: and then say what they're gonna do and then have

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Speaker 1: them do it. It has worked for me in the past,

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Speaker 1: but I don't even find it interesting enough to have

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Speaker 1: that they can sit down and talk to these people

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna fair shake beyond me,