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Speaker 1: Hey, we're in We're back.

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Speaker 2: We're in Orlando right now and a lot of people

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Speaker 2: are leaving. But things are happening. This tends to happen.

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Speaker 2: Bob Knightingale USA Today regular on FT joining us right now,

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Speaker 2: give us the inside word on what you heard about

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Speaker 2: Pete Alonzo moving over to Baltimore and the Mets kind

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Speaker 2: of being like, man, we're not gonna throw an offer.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's a surprise. Really, I don't think

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Speaker 3: they want them back. Last year David Turns, I thought

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Speaker 3: there was no way they're going to bring him back

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Speaker 3: this year. He wants to make that team his own way.

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Speaker 3: They grossly performed last year, big inner achievers. So hey,

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Speaker 3: he didn't care in Milwaukee. Remember when he traded Josh

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Speaker 3: Hater and he's doing his style.

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Speaker 1: What's not to like about Pete? They don't like his defense?

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Speaker 3: What's not to like?

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Speaker 1: They don't like his defense? What's the problem.

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Speaker 3: I just think the whole I just think they think

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Speaker 3: he's not gonna be the same player. I mean, this

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Speaker 3: guy posted what are sixty games each of the last three years.

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Speaker 3: I think they think that evens can go sour. I

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Speaker 3: think they want to change, not that you know, he

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Speaker 3: was finding the clubhouse. But I think they want to

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Speaker 3: change that whole dynamic there. I mean, you're just trading

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Speaker 3: to you know, getting rid of three proper guys with

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Speaker 3: you know, Nemo and and of course Diaz and and

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Speaker 3: now Alonso. I think he says it didn't work, let

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Speaker 3: me do my way.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well what's his way then? Because you have Soda,

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Speaker 4: You're stuck with Toda.

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Speaker 5: You ain't you ain't moving him.

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Speaker 4: You got Lindor still, yep, you got McNeil, who everyone's like, oh,

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Speaker 4: you know, he didn't have.

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Speaker 5: A great year. What's his way? He tried his I

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Speaker 5: thought we've talked about this.

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Speaker 4: He tried his way, bringing in cheaper, starting pitching and

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Speaker 4: trying to hope he win in the one in the margins,

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Speaker 4: you're you're the mats man, got Uncle Stevie Cohen right,

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Speaker 4: like he's willing to spend go get the big fish.

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Speaker 3: I think he's doing his way Like Milwaukee. Hey worked

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Speaker 3: in Milwaukee. I'm gonna see it working.

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Speaker 5: Did they win a World Series in Milwaukee and did

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Speaker 5: it really work? That's that's the next thing.

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Speaker 3: At least you're in the playoffs every year, is that

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Speaker 3: is that.

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Speaker 4: What is that what we've now become as a as

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Speaker 4: a sport. When I talk to people, they're like, well,

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Speaker 4: if we get in, we have a chance, right right,

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Speaker 4: But if you get in and get swept in two games, didn't,

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Speaker 4: did you?

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Speaker 5: Was it still a good year?

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Speaker 3: No? It wasn't. But I think everybody just say get

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Speaker 3: in and uh, you know when you look back now

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Speaker 3: that he really want one and Soto, I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: I think it was a Steve Cohen sign. What we're

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Speaker 3: seeing right now. You know, it's probably a deal where hey, Steve,

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Speaker 3: you got your way last year, Now let me do

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Speaker 3: it this way. You're paying me the most of any

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Speaker 3: executive and baseball. I'm not gonna just sign checks. I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna do it my way.

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Speaker 6: Is there any indication of the players that they've kept

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Speaker 6: around of what that way is? Aj kind of asked

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Speaker 6: this too, like what is that? Because in Milwaukee it

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Speaker 6: was just, you know, find little value on the margins.

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Speaker 6: He doesn't need to do that. In New York he

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Speaker 6: has to do that, but he doesn't need to do that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, It's almost like he just wants to change the

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Speaker 3: entire culture. I think he was so discussed about last year,

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Speaker 3: just the way the under achieve that something was wrong. Uh. So,

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Speaker 3: I think there's been more stories coming out, but Hicklin's

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Speaker 3: spring turning, like what was going on. We already saw stories,

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Speaker 3: you know, last couple of weeks about the whole relationship

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Speaker 3: you know with the you know, Lindor and Soto, which

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Speaker 3: was always whispered, now starting to become more public.

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Speaker 6: All right, let's go to where where Pete went to.

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Speaker 6: Pete went to the O's. Are the O's gonna still

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Speaker 6: be able to get pitching? Do they want to get pitching?

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Speaker 6: Or is Michaelias on the same line as David Sterens,

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Speaker 6: like no pitching over three years? Like this is all

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Speaker 6: and there we're gonna see the same Orioles again from

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Speaker 6: last year, but with more Homers.

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Speaker 3: No. I think they got to get a couple of pitchers. Uh.

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Speaker 3: It was disaster for the Oils too, I mean as

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Speaker 3: much as the mets Iner chiefs or of the Oriols.

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Speaker 3: So I think they'll definitely go get a uh at

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Speaker 3: get the fans back. No, I fully expect them to

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Speaker 3: hit the pitch. That's your market for sure.

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Speaker 5: Who give us the name? Zach Allen?

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Speaker 3: I think to go bigger than that, I think, am

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Speaker 3: I try to get that? Oh wow, I think Michael King.

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Speaker 3: I think it goes after a couple of big boys.

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Speaker 3: So the Orioles are going to go do that. That

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Speaker 3: would help right now?

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Speaker 4: If you look at their team, we had this discussion

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Speaker 4: there are they better than the Blue Jays? Where the

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Speaker 4: Blue J's are aut right now? Are they better than

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Speaker 4: the Red Sox? They better than the Yankees?

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Speaker 3: I think, yes, I'm pitching.

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Speaker 4: You can argue, but I'm talking about right I'm not

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Speaker 4: talking about Yeah listen, if there were if some butts

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Speaker 4: all the time. But I'm saying right now, where they stand,

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Speaker 4: they're four maybe maybe third.

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Speaker 5: Maybe third ahead of which which one?

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Speaker 3: I put them right behind the Blue Jay I put

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Speaker 3: them ahead of the Yankees?

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Speaker 5: Wow?

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Speaker 3: Right now?

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Speaker 5: Wow?

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Speaker 3: You heard it? You heard it.

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Speaker 1: Put the O's ahead of the Yankees right now?

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Speaker 3: Right now? Wow?

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Speaker 1: I think there's enough.

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Speaker 3: I I mean, yeah.

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Speaker 4: The col col rod On and Free top three Luis Heal,

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Speaker 4: I'll take the offense.

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Speaker 6: Won't pitch still may.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, We'll see how they do after you know, missing

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Speaker 3: missing all the time last year exactly.

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Speaker 5: Okay, that's fair.

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Speaker 3: I like, oh, it's a toss up.

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Speaker 5: Okay. So then who's the next big guy to go?

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Speaker 5: Who do you think is the best?

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Speaker 4: Because Schwarber boom then right away Pete Alonzo, So who

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Speaker 4: Is it a Pitcher? Is it one of the pictures

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Speaker 4: you're talking about? Who do you think is the next

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Speaker 4: big domino to fall?

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Speaker 3: I think Doninger signs after Tucker. I think lumber Tucker

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Speaker 3: gets Doninger's gonna want close to it. If someone's gonna

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Speaker 3: give Tucker a eight, nine, ten year contract, Dollinger wants

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Speaker 3: and me look at this thing. I mean, as soon

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Speaker 3: as the Schwarber got five years at one fifty, you

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Speaker 3: know that Boris is gonna top it. So you know,

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Speaker 3: one more million dollar a year, same type of thing.

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Speaker 3: So I think the two play off each other. I

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Speaker 3: still think Dollinger and Tucker a little ways away.

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Speaker 2: What about the trade market, we haven't actually seen any

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Speaker 2: of those big trades happen yet.

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Speaker 1: To tell Marte uh.

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Speaker 2: Scoobl sounds lofty, but maybe maybe I'm off there. Do

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Speaker 2: you think him could tell Derek or somebody else, you know,

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Speaker 2: upper echelon gets moved in the next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: I think the Marte market is picking up when the

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Speaker 3: two weeks ago at that Okay, they're not going to

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Speaker 3: train him. I think too many people are showing interest.

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Speaker 3: Sox have got the pitch and get it done. Then

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Speaker 3: we'll see what they do with Bregman. I think the

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Speaker 3: mass is saying, you know what, we're not gonna win

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Speaker 3: all day for Brugman, Let's go get Marte and that

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Speaker 3: he'd fit in that clubhouse and Alex core would be

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Speaker 5: I can't. I can't argue that, all right.

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Speaker 4: So everyone, there's a couple of teams that everyone's asking

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Speaker 4: that have kind of set out we're the Cubs this

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Speaker 4: whole thing because we haven't heard Chicago. I know they're

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Speaker 4: doing anything? Why where's where's Jed Hoyer and Tom Ricketts

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Speaker 4: look around the Dodgers clearly got better, right, So teams

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Speaker 4: are starting to make their moves. The Phillies bring back

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Speaker 4: Shoreber where the Cubs they were a good team, they

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Speaker 3: I think they get one or two starters, they really do.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about offense. Uh, they talk about match

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Speaker 3: think they think that Matt Shawk can handle it, you know,

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Speaker 3: don't see him spinning big unless they get to Maya.

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Speaker 3: I think they're right in the necks ver Maya. I

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Speaker 1: Crats.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree. I think there's plenty of teams that

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Speaker 6: these Some of these free agents are the teams leary

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Speaker 6: go hard and who cares what the rules happen, What

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't heard any agent that said the CBA's

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Speaker 3: pediment to negotiations. You know, I think the big question

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Speaker 3: is how many years is Tucker get. I don't think

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Speaker 3: he's gonna get the big nine, ten, ten year contract.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if the Blue Jays are gonna do it.

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Speaker 3: I know the Dodgers will not do that. They might

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Speaker 4: Okay, So you keep hearing the Reds were in on Schwerber,

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Speaker 4: the Pirates were in on Schwerver and Naylor. Well they

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Speaker 4: so they've shown they have money to spend. Will they

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Speaker 4: actually spend it now? I give the Oels a ton

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Speaker 4: get them, pivoted right away got Alonzo. But will a

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Speaker 4: clearly have this amount of money. Will they actually go

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Speaker 3: Talking the Reds, no, they thought so.

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Speaker 5: The red just said Schwarber or nothing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was gonna solve. He was gonna make a

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Speaker 3: lot of money for the Reds. But as everyone's rip,

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Speaker 3: you went there.

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Speaker 5: As a fan. You have that money, let's go use

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Speaker 5: it to get our team better. We were in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: But they thought that Schwarberg just been a hometown guy.

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Speaker 3: They would make you know, half of this contract just

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Speaker 3: now the Pirates might spend some money, but I don't

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Speaker 2: They were almost there. The Reds didn't want to just

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Speaker 1: We're not covering it. We'll talk about anything that happens there.

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Speaker 2: But that's why it is a quarter zip biker gang

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Speaker 1: But anyway, I think the Reds.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've got one for you.

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Speaker 2: On the Dodgers, they pick up Edwin Diaz, the rich

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Speaker 1: Least four years. He ends up getting three. What did

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Speaker 3: Are you just say the kin of the market dried up?

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Speaker 2: What is one more for? While we're on the Dodgers.

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Speaker 6: It was on closers. It was on closures with the

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Speaker 6: you know what, people weren't really into going four years.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think he'll get Alicia strung two year deal,

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Speaker 2: Were you in the room when Dave Roberts made his

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Speaker 2: So because Kratz was like, I want to hear more

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean some of the reporter asks a question

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Speaker 3: I said. I'm not apologizing for what I said. This

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Speaker 2: Question for you, do you think that his players would

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Speaker 2: It's a real thought, right. I mean, I'm here, I'm

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Speaker 1: To players making less money.

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Speaker 2: I know, fans don't really give a crap, right, everybody's really.

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Speaker 3: Hed dressed that and someone said, you think will affect

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Speaker 3: But he was asked about that and he doesn't think

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Speaker 4: Huh, that's right, all right. Last thing for me. You

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Speaker 4: know who my allegiancers are too, Bob. Are the White

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Speaker 4: Gatz came out and they got the first pick. Overall,

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Speaker 5: Are they going to actually spend money? And are they

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Speaker 3: Bob? I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: Give us hope, Bob, give us hope. You're tighted with Rhinestort,

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're so far away. White spend money. It's

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Speaker 1: It's already been two years of crap. How many years

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Speaker 1: away are we here.

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Speaker 3: Actually second rebuilding? Five or by five years? I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 5: Their window is two thousand and five buck.

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Speaker 1: How bad years has it been already? AJ three?

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Speaker 4: Well, twenty three is when it really started, and then

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Speaker 3: That's what I think. So I mean, who's who they're

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Speaker 4: Went to National States, did the Jason Worth and look

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Speaker 4: where I got them. And Viikers did that with Padre

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Speaker 3: I think they think they're further away.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, but all these trades and all these things, though,

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Speaker 4: Bob quit breaking my heart, breaking my heart, Bob used

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Speaker 4: to break Bob used to cover me in Minnesota, break

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Speaker 4: my heart. Every time Bob came up to me. I'm like, Bob,

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Speaker 4: But now he's doing it. Now he's doing it with

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Speaker 5: Yea, Harold Banks came through for him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, big Bob, thanks for stopping by.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you in person. Enjoy the remains of

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Speaker 2: the winter meetings. Are you going to this Rule five draft?

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Speaker 3: I am just to see what Mets officials I can

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Speaker 3: find and talking about.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The reason I'm going in that room good because I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll talk. Well, we'll talk to you after

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Speaker 2: next week. Thanks again, Bob, Thank you guys.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with Edwin Diaz.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Passing said that the split between Diaz and the

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm Is that true?

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Speaker 3: Oo? Mm hmm?

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Speaker 4: Okay, Bro, is that true? We have Raffy Devers Part two.

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Speaker 4: Remember that whole Alex Bregman. It's not that hard to

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Speaker 4: in the day, Krafts when they had to call you

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Speaker 4: a girl and you're like, hey mom, just hi, hi

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Speaker 4: missus Kratz. Yes, yes, I'd love to talk to your daughter. Yes,

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Speaker 4: thank you, yes hi, yes, yes, I'm getting all a's

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Speaker 5: Can we just get your daughter?

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Speaker 5: But what about your mom and dad? Okay, yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: You can just literally pick up your you pick up

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Speaker 4: this thing right here and go hey, yes, hey Edwin. Thanks, Yes,

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Speaker 4: we're thinking about signing Devil Wims. Okay with that, Yes, cool,

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: What so, Kratz, do you think that Edwin Diaz deserved

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Speaker 6: Yes, I mean, especially if they have an offer out there,

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Speaker 6: Williams looks like he's close to signing. We want you

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Speaker 6: and him. This is not an and or type of thing.

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Speaker 6: He's not taken. He's not taking any trumpet from you. Like,

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Speaker 6: there's no he's not taking your walk out music. You

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Speaker 6: the best bullpen possible. Oh thank you for calling.

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Speaker 3: Hang up.

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Speaker 6: That's it, And like the next level is Edwin Diaz

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Speaker 1: Isn't the phone call? Hey, Edwin?

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Speaker 2: You know how we had to use you sometimes for

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Speaker 2: How were just desperately throwing you into games at the

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Speaker 5: It's the same thing, same thing with Devers when they

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Speaker 4: If they just pick up the phone and say, hey, Rafie,

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Speaker 4: we're thinking about signing Alex Bragman. Are you okay moving

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Speaker 4: we are seeing it. We signed Alex Bragman. Say what

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Speaker 2: We had Paul Tibony who actually just saw walk by

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Speaker 1: This was all in our interview the other day.

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Speaker 2: If you want to go back and watch it, and

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Speaker 2: you can't have every rumor.

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Speaker 3: Pop up and call a guy.

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Speaker 2: But it sounds like when there's something not I won't

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Speaker 2: they've had a particular player and it's coming from him,

440
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Speaker 2: He's like, I'm going to pick up the phone and

441
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Speaker 2: just be a person with them, and it sounded like

442
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Speaker 2: they really appreciated that.

443
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Speaker 4: Yes, I'll tell you this if you talk to people

444
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Speaker 4: that red Sox because Tiboni came from the Red Sox.

445
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Speaker 4: They thought losing him was a big deal because he

446
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Speaker 4: did a lot of the draft stuff. He did a

447
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Speaker 4: lot of the minor the stuff that people don't really

448
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Speaker 4: know about. So him going to the Nationals is a

449
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Speaker 4: big deal. But I love when he said, oh, I

450
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Speaker 4: called Mackenzie Corre, I talked to CJ.

451
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Speaker 5: Abrams.

452
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Speaker 4: These are the guys that are being rumored to be traded.

453
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Speaker 4: That means something to the players man. And I would

454
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Speaker 4: also love is a lot of these managers that are

455
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Speaker 4: new managers by Tello Butterra, Right, these guys they're calling

456
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Speaker 4: their players, They're going to see their players. That's something

457
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Speaker 4: that you can do, and it means something to these

458
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Speaker 4: players because if they look up and Blake Puterra is

459
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Speaker 4: in their hometown, He's like, Hey, I want to sit

460
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Speaker 4: down and have lunch with you. You know what, this

461
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,240
Speaker 4: guy actually kind of cares about me, And that means

462
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Speaker 4: I'm more of a person. I'm more of a person

463
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Speaker 4: and a human being than just a quantity just to

464
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Speaker 4: just to something that I can just they can just

465
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Speaker 4: get rid of, right, because at least I have a

466
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Speaker 4: personal relationship. So I think this is great and it's

467
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Speaker 4: a new way and it's not that hard. It's really

468
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Speaker 4: not that hard.

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Speaker 1: Agree.

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Speaker 2: So, on the topic of Edwin Diaz, a couple other

471
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Speaker 2: teams that were either in or out on him. We

472
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Speaker 2: can show this Brian Hope tweet, Brian Cashman's or not

473
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Speaker 2: that tweet. Actually, well it's on Edwin Diaz. Here he

474
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Speaker 2: said the Yankees weren't in on Edwin Diaz. I guess

475
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Speaker 2: I could give you the whole thing so far.

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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.

477
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Speaker 1: We spread cations.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, because Cashman apparently doesn't go on podcasts

479
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Speaker 2: that have too many millions of downloads, So I don't

480
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Speaker 2: really know.

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Speaker 5: I just haven't seen him. I've seen pretty much everybody.

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Speaker 3: I think.

483
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Speaker 2: I did see him for a millisec coming out of

484
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Speaker 2: the press conference room when he had his little thang,

485
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Speaker 2: I think. But yeah, he's not mingling walking around. I mean,

486
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Speaker 2: he's working, hopefully for Yankee fan purposes.

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, let me get to some notes from Ken Rosenthal

489
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Speaker 2: and Will Salmon on Edward Diez while we're on that topic.

490
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Speaker 2: They reported in The Athletic this morning that the Braves

491
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Speaker 2: explored price points for Diaz as well as other late

492
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Speaker 2: inning relievers ultimately did not sign him because they're in

493
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Speaker 2: a different position than other teams when considering free agents

494
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Speaker 2: who rejected qualifying offers.

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Speaker 1: This actually is a real thing.

496
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Speaker 2: So if you sign a player like Edwin Diaz, you

497
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Speaker 2: lose at least your second highest draft pick. The Braves

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Speaker 2: have picked number nine overall, which is protected, but then

499
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Speaker 2: they also have number twenty six overall, which is what

500
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Speaker 2: they got for Drake Baldwin winning rookie the year. That's

501
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Speaker 2: a first round pick, so they would lose that if

502
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Speaker 2: they signed someone like Edwin Diaz.

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Speaker 3: Is it that.

504
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Speaker 4: Valuable were getting Edwin Diaz, who can save you fifty

505
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Speaker 4: plus games a year?

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Speaker 3: I mean?

507
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Speaker 5: Or is that draft? It just does what I don't understand.

508
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Speaker 1: But let me just explain from their perspective.

509
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Speaker 5: Now, let me explain.

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Speaker 4: I'd rather have the fifty plus saves if from a

511
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Speaker 4: guy I know they can do it every year, than

512
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Speaker 4: a guy I might pick who might never make it

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Speaker 4: to the major leagues.

514
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Speaker 5: I'll take the fifty plus save guy.

515
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Speaker 2: Hirston Waldrip last year that was really good in the

516
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Speaker 2: time that he pitched to eight ad R fifty six

517
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Speaker 2: and the third innings. He was twenty fourth overall. In

518
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. They've done a nice job right with

519
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Speaker 2: that pick status. I think the point is, let me

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Speaker 2: actually bring you a real snaro. Let's say, person Waldrip,

521
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Speaker 2: who is I think going to be a big league

522
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Speaker 2: regular starter, maybe a three ish if you get him,

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Speaker 2: and then instead of Edwin dia As, you can sign

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Speaker 2: Pete Fairbanks and Robert Suarez or something like that. Although

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Speaker 2: I don't know did Suarrez get a qualifying offer and

526
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Speaker 2: I remember, but point is non qualifying offer relievers. That

527
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Speaker 2: is why they're choosing to look at Diaz and say, okay,

528
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Speaker 2: unless this is at some crazy price point that we

529
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Speaker 2: just have to jump into, we'd rather dance with guys

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Speaker 2: that don't have qualifying offers attached to them. I know

531
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Speaker 2: it's not what Brads fans want to hear, but that's

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Speaker 2: the thinking from a front office krats that probably values

533
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Speaker 2: that first overall pick or that first round pick at

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Ten fifteen million bucks.

536
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Speaker 2: They put prices on those in terms of what it

537
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Speaker 2: could turn into more than that.

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Speaker 6: More than that, I mean you start talking about like

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Speaker 6: high end prospects. Now, those are guys that that start

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Speaker 6: to become that prospect being thirty five to forty million

541
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Speaker 6: dollar prospects. They how they make that evaluation. I have

542
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Speaker 6: no idea. I mean, an elite level prospect like Jackson Holliday,

543
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Speaker 6: what did they say he was worth when he's still

544
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Speaker 6: in the minor league? He's like forty two or forty

545
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Speaker 6: nine million something ridiculous like that. So, yeah, they have

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Speaker 6: a major They have high value.

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Speaker 3: On that.

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Speaker 1: In the next other guys.

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Speaker 6: Right in the next three years, this team needs to win.

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Speaker 6: This team needs to win the World Series. That's why

551
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Speaker 6: you extended all these guys you won back in twenty one.

552
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Speaker 6: They need to continue to figure out why it wasn't

553
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Speaker 6: going well, especially at the beginning of the season last year,

554
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Speaker 6: and they got themselves in a hole. Does Edwin Diaz

555
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Speaker 6: change that for you? Or does the Hurston Waldrip of

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Speaker 6: the twenty twenty six draft change that for you in

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Speaker 6: the next three years. No, that draft pick does not

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Speaker 6: change that. Even if Herson Waldrop plays ten years in

559
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Speaker 6: the big leagues, his impact on the team is not

560
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Speaker 6: going to be what Edwin Diaz's impact is going to be.

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Speaker 6: And I understand that front offices have to run it

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Speaker 6: differently than that, but I just think I think teams,

563
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Speaker 6: like we always say, they convince themselves it's not worth it.

564
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Speaker 6: Why Because it's one hundred and sixty two games and

565
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,959
Speaker 6: it's played by humans. Hitters that hit amazing are going

566
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Speaker 6: to make out seven out of ten times. Pitchers like

567
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Speaker 6: Edwin Diaz who pitch at the end of the game

568
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Speaker 6: are going to blow safe. You're not going to have

569
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Speaker 6: seasons where dudes have perfect save you know, fifty for

570
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Speaker 6: fifty in saves, like it's just not it. But you

571
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Speaker 6: want to build the best team possible. And that's when

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Speaker 6: that's where I'm kind of like, that's where I'd make

573
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Speaker 6: wrong decisions. I'd spend my money incorrectly if I was

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Speaker 6: a GM.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think they're looking at Diaz, and then they're

576
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Speaker 2: looking at Robert Squires, who's also very good and ken

577
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Speaker 2: and will put his name in the notes column as

578
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Speaker 2: well as someone that the Braves could be looking to

579
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Speaker 2: go after, and that would certainly be a nice pickup

580
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Speaker 2: for them. They brought back Rice Elglecias you bring Robert

581
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Speaker 2: Suarez to join the.

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Speaker 4: H They already have Bummer and the other lefty. They

583
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Speaker 4: have two good lefties that they can deal with, so

584
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Speaker 4: they need a right handed guy, right handed, high leverage reliever.

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Speaker 1: Isn't Robert Suarez the top guy for that?

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Speaker 5: He would be the top guy.

587
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So.

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Speaker 6: Dylan Lee's been great for them. They they kind of stacked, yeah,

589
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Speaker 6: lefty right over the top, but they stacked their bullpen

590
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Speaker 6: with a lot of lefties and maybe that's what didn't work.

591
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Speaker 6: So maybe they're going after those those right handers again.

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Speaker 2: I who knows, hey, I mean there could be some

593
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Speaker 2: trades too, so this Notes column says. In addition to

594
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Speaker 2: Brewers closer Trevor McGill, right handed reliever Nick Mears is

595
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Speaker 2: another player generating trade interest from Milwaukee's bullpen. Mears is

596
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Speaker 2: under club control for two more seasons and projected to

597
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Speaker 2: make one about one and a half mil this coming season.

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Speaker 1: I mean, neither of these guys are expensive.

599
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Speaker 2: I guess this is what Milwaukee has to do if

600
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Speaker 2: they do want to make off season changes and they

601
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 2: can't really do anything with free agency, they try to

602
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: get creative and trade value guys and then see if

603
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: they can just pump out new versions of what they

604
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: already created. Right, because most brewery friends look at this like, wait,

605
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Speaker 2: you're going to trade away two of our better relievers.

606
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Speaker 1: Hunh, what they don't cost you anything? What are we doing?

607
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Speaker 2: But it's not about that. It's the same thing with

608
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Speaker 2: Freddy Peralta. It's not about the eight million bucks. They're

609
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 2: fine there. It's about them seeing the starting pitching market

610
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Speaker 2: and being like, uh, Freddy Peralta in this market would

611
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Speaker 2: have gotten.

612
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Speaker 1: Like two hundred million bucks.

613
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Speaker 2: Someone can get the next year for eight Ok, you

614
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Speaker 2: got a lot in return for that, right.

615
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Speaker 5: Pers are good at this. They they've they're forward thinking,

616
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Speaker 5: risk averse. They're not risk averse.

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Speaker 4: They take risks, yeah, they're they're definitely not risk averse

618
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Speaker 4: when it comes to trades. They're they're just forward thinking

619
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Speaker 4: and they try to stay ahead of it, which is

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Speaker 4: why they've been successful for a long time because they're

621
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Speaker 4: always trying to stay ahead of it.

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Speaker 5: They're always trying to be ahead of The girl agreed,