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Speaker 1: Previously on Queen of the con con artist Danielle Miller,

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Speaker 1: who flaunted lavish lifestyle, facing new reality and needs a roommate.

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Speaker 1: The New York Post runs a story that Danielle's roommate

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Speaker 1: Julia Cornell, is looking for someone to trade places with her,

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Speaker 1: and Danielle confirms the story, saying publicly, quote this little

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Speaker 1: nineteen year old girl who rented the room from us

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Speaker 1: for one month that decided to tell us she wanted

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Speaker 1: because she's like, she's like from Pensacola, Florida, and like

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Speaker 1: just came to New York to be an actress. But

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Speaker 1: those who know her say rooming with Danielle Miller is

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Speaker 1: fraught with peril. It was a year the place that

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Speaker 1: she's staying in. Are you insane? You've been exposing our

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Speaker 1: friends to this woman. I actually tracked down another former

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Speaker 1: roommate of Danielle Miller's from her Los Angeles days was

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Speaker 1: paying her like a thousand dollars in mine and it

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Speaker 1: was all a scam. How crazy would it be if

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Speaker 1: you find out she's doing that to ten different young

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Speaker 1: women like yourself, Like she's got ten apartments, sharing with

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Speaker 1: she's just waiting to get a victim. And while Danielle

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Speaker 1: is pulling this rent scam in l A, she's working

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Speaker 1: for the Beverly Hills Chamber of Commerce pulling yet another scam.

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Speaker 1: So I'd go into her room. I found a huge

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Speaker 1: sheet of paper of people that she worked with, with

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Speaker 1: all of their bank account information and all of the

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Speaker 1: name Basically anywhere she's worked, she's stole pupil's information. And

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Speaker 1: that's just the beginning. So she's using a stolen credit

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Speaker 1: card on your Uber account and then used you to

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Speaker 1: book rides for her. Yeah, you're a lucky police didn't

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Speaker 1: show up at your door, I know. But Danielle's roommate

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Speaker 1: is about to learn just how far this rabbit hole goes.

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Speaker 1: And yet another sinister move, Danielle tricks her roommate into

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Speaker 1: taking the fall for a check fraud scheme, and set

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Speaker 1: Lee Taylor Fergus is named as a co defendant in

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Speaker 1: court proceedings. She did it in the middle of the night.

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Speaker 1: She came up and woke me up from the middle

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Speaker 1: and she was like, here's here's the check, like sign

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Speaker 1: it here recorded to take care of this. I'm Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Walton and this is Queen of the con The Rich Girl,

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Speaker 1: episode eight d Girl. We had a friend group, and

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Speaker 1: I just don't understand, Like, how am I the only

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Speaker 1: in with her, so if there's that, but like, oh no,

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you if you hit up any one of

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Speaker 1: those friends in that group, they have a story, and

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm still in contact enough with them

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Speaker 1: that they be able to share it with me. Well,

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Speaker 1: let me let me ask you this then, how many

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Speaker 1: of them have you told you found a list in

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Speaker 1: her room with a dozen people with credit card and

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Speaker 1: I found it. So, I mean they could say the

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Speaker 1: same thing, like, you know, like because nobody wants to share,

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Speaker 1: like these are unpleasant, embarrassing things. Taylor Fercus was Danielle's

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Speaker 1: roommate back in two thousand fourteen, and she was scammed

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Speaker 1: out of thousands of dollars she was paying Danielle. She

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Speaker 1: thought for rent. We signed a year lease and we

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Speaker 1: never made it a full year. I first discovered Taylor

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Speaker 1: Fercus listed in a lawsuit filed in Los Angeles Superior Court,

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Speaker 1: named as a co defendant along with daniel Miller in

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Speaker 1: a check fraud scheme. That lawsuit was filed by one

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Speaker 1: of Danielle's childhood friends, Quentin smy Brown. There was one

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Speaker 1: night when Danielle and I had already been living together,

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Speaker 1: that we went to some club in Hollywood, and as

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Speaker 1: socialite whose father was a big time real estate developer.

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Speaker 1: She was close with Danielle as a teenager. She first

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Speaker 1: made a name for herself as the former wife of

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Speaker 1: I can't feel like I can do something unless I'll

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Speaker 1: be the best at it. Tiffany Trump was actually the

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Speaker 1: several charities. As far as Esmey's lawsuit goes, It's thirteen

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Speaker 1: pages long and it details how Danielle Miller stole six

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Speaker 1: And she made up some excuse about like how Esmey's

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Speaker 1: Danielle this money. And so I said to Danielle, I

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Speaker 1: I remember like writing on the back of the check,

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Speaker 1: take the order of Danielle Miller and signed it. If

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Speaker 1: anybody wanted to reopen this case, like that money never

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Speaker 1: went into my bank account, like it immediately. I signed

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Speaker 1: growing up. She owes me money, and like, I just

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Speaker 1: was never mine. It just immediately then went to Danielle.

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Speaker 1: And then fast forward that money that she ended up stealing.

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Speaker 1: She didn't take that eight thousand and pay rent. She

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Speaker 1: took it for whatever else. Yeah, So I reached out

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Speaker 1: to Quentin as May Brown, the woman who filed a

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Speaker 1: The court ultimately ruled in favor of Esmate and issued

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Speaker 1: At the time, Taylor didn't realize that not showing up

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Speaker 1: to Taylor. Her wages were actually garners to pay for

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Speaker 1: Sarah Sota. Courts are winding back up in the wake

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Speaker 1: of Hurricane Ian and Part two of Danielle Miller's sentencing

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Speaker 1: hearing is now scheduled for eleven am, October one afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Last time we were here. A month ago, Danielle pled

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Speaker 1: no contest to one third degree felony for fraudulently using

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Speaker 1: the identity of a victim named Erica Beers. Remember, Danielle

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Speaker 1: was arrested at a Saracenor Chase Bank drive through, sitting

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Speaker 1: Danielle pretending to be Erica Beers trying to withdraw eight

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Speaker 1: already played no contest too, but Danielle's attorney kept interrupting,

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Speaker 1: Darryl Mitchell, the Daniel Miller sitting in court that day

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Speaker 1: York spot case. So the judge shouldn't add that to

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Speaker 1: her score sheet. And he keeps insisting the six cell

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Speaker 1: Sarah Soda Prosecutor Andrew Van Sickle grew so frustrated he

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Speaker 1: asked the judge for continuance. But if he's gonna stand

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Speaker 1: we gotta prosecute on the phone. Is this that case? Okay?

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Speaker 1: I definitely appreciate the opportunity Chase debit plus pain female

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Speaker 1: As you can imagine, these eye opening messages from Danielle's

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Speaker 1: people who really know her won't lift a finger to

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Speaker 1: keep her out in sail. The only two people who

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Speaker 1: do agree to speak up for Danielle are her bail bondsman.

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Speaker 1: She's been pretty much on point what everything I've asked

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Speaker 1: her to do as far as checking in, and the

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Speaker 1: person in charge of her supervised release compliant with the program.

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Speaker 1: As this sentencing hearing starts circling the drain the mood

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Speaker 1: in the courtroom, shifts. Everyone's getting really antsy. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's gone on now for almost six hours. And then

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Speaker 1: finally the judge asked the prosecutor to get down to

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Speaker 1: brass tacks sentencing. What's the States seeking it more? Five years?

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Speaker 1: And the reason is fairly simple, Judge, if you take

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Speaker 1: a look at what actually happened in this case, what

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Speaker 1: did it take for her to know how to get

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Speaker 1: those ideas, who to know in order to get the

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Speaker 1: credit card? What kind of gumption did it take to

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Speaker 1: go through a drive through with these people's information to

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Speaker 1: take the money. Well, she is, by her own words,

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Speaker 1: a professional, and she's done it for ever and ever.

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Speaker 1: She has an essence, gotten caught before in New York,

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Speaker 1: served a one year time, got out, and within months

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Speaker 1: of getting out with zero deterrence, goes back to doing

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Speaker 1: it again. The state recognizes that this court has got

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Speaker 1: to do a balancing what is fair And no one

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Speaker 1: used a firearm, But in protection of society as a whole,

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Speaker 1: this person is dangerous. This person is more dangerous with

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Speaker 1: a cell phone than anybody I know with a firearm

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Speaker 1: because of the fact of how much money she could take.

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Speaker 1: It's a complete lack of a moral code to sit

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Speaker 1: there and say, my goal is to get six thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: This person is a danger. It's five years for the state.

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Speaker 1: Prison is the only thing that could possibly protect us

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Speaker 1: here in Sarasota County. Wow, five years, that's a lot

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Speaker 1: for a case like this. I can't get a read

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Speaker 1: on the judge. He's got one hell of a poker face.

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Speaker 1: As for Danielle's attorney, his closing argument makes a lot

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Speaker 1: of salient points whether or not this case involved all

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Speaker 1: the intricacies and all the complexities and all the sophistication

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Speaker 1: that they spoke about a Roses Roses rose. If a

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Speaker 1: drone went into a grocery store and stole a candy bar,

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Speaker 1: that's petty debt. If a person individually goes in that

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Speaker 1: grocery store and stills that saying candy bar, it's still

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Speaker 1: petty theft. No matter what happens, it's still you got

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Speaker 1: to be treated the same way as a petty theft. Now,

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Speaker 1: in this particular case, my client, as everyone knows, scores

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Speaker 1: twenty five points. He doesn't score jail time. He's referring

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Speaker 1: to the score sheet ranking Danielle's past crimes, and he's right,

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Speaker 1: she doesn't score high enough for jail time. It is

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Speaker 1: entirely possible the judge could let daniel off today with probation,

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Speaker 1: a slap on the rest. It's the fraudulent use of

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Speaker 1: personal identification information of one case, one victim. My client

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Speaker 1: has played open to this court and is asking for

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Speaker 1: probation or adjudication and extended probation. That's sniffling. You're hearing.

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Speaker 1: Is Danielle standing beside her attorney now seeming to fight

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Speaker 1: back tears. A lot of what you heard was involving

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Speaker 1: the other case. The number one culprit in this was

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Speaker 1: Sierra Blast, who they still have not found our cart.

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Speaker 1: They don't know where she is. She was the one

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Speaker 1: who got the information. My client has informed me she

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Speaker 1: did not purchase any of those profiles. That was all

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Speaker 1: Serial Blast. It was her operation. She's the number one person,

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Speaker 1: she's the number one experienced person in this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: The only reason that the state is not going after

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Speaker 1: her they can't find her. My client has presented herself,

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Speaker 1: she's made herself present, she's appealed to the court. She

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Speaker 1: has helped the federal government, she has helped the state

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Speaker 1: in Miami with information about this scheme of this calling.

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Speaker 1: But as it pertains to this particular case, Judge, she

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Speaker 1: scores no jail time. I think the case should be

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Speaker 1: treated as any other case. But I just don't understand

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Speaker 1: how it could be treated as any other case. If

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Speaker 1: you recall how emphatically Danielle insists she's really Erica Beers

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Speaker 1: in that five hour Sarasota County Sheriff's Office interrogation video. Again,

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Speaker 1: and this is like time. Sorry, I'm here confidently spitting

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Speaker 1: out Erica Beer's personal identification information as if it's her own.

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Speaker 1: What about March? Where is your current endres it? And

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Speaker 1: what's a good one for three? Okay, I'm sure Prosecutor

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Speaker 1: Andrew Van Sickle watched this entire video, and that must

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Speaker 1: be one of the reasons he's asking for the maximum

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Speaker 1: five years in Florida State prison. Obviously, though Danielle's attorney disagrees,

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Speaker 1: I understand Mr. Ven Sickle's emotional involvement in the case.

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Speaker 1: My client, as he depicts her, is not that person.

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Speaker 1: She's just not that person, and if she was, she

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Speaker 1: isn't any longer. I do believe that she has learned

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Speaker 1: a great deal as a result of this, and I'm

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Speaker 1: asking the court two provides my client a penalty that's

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Speaker 1: commensurate with her sentencing sheet and this particular single charge

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Speaker 1: against this single individual. Thank you. I am wondering how

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Speaker 1: the judge is perceiving all this. Of course, there is

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Speaker 1: one person left who has yet to speak, but who

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Speaker 1: could really move the needle in the sentencing hearing, and

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Speaker 1: that's Danielle herself. I just have a couple of clarifications

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Speaker 1: before I say my statement. Is before that, I had

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Speaker 1: prepared Buckle up, kids, things are about to go sideways.

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Speaker 1: The year in Riker's Island it's called a city year,

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Speaker 1: which is actually eight months, so that's not prison time

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Speaker 1: in the state of New York. Next time, on Queen

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Speaker 1: of the Con Danielle pulls out all the stops to

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Speaker 1: save her own hide. When I was thirteen years old,

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Speaker 1: I went through traumatic experience as a victim of child

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Speaker 1: pornography that scarred me for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 1: And shockingly, under Florida law, Danielle doesn't actually qualify for

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Speaker 1: prison time, so she could walk away from yet another scam.

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Speaker 1: She would saying something about the probation or fine, and

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Speaker 1: she was like, yeah, that's all this is gonna amount

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Speaker 1: to you like bringing on. A portion of a public

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Speaker 1: statement made to the media by Daniel Miller was dramatized

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