1 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: Amy Roboc and TJ. Holmes present Killer Thriller with your 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: host Alisa Donovan. 3 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Elisa Donovan here and this is Killer Thriller. 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: Joining me today is actress Jamie King, best known for 5 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: her roles in Heart of Dixie, White Chick, Sin City, 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: and Pearl Harbor. But today we are talking about one 7 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 2: of her most psychologically complex roles, portraying Cherry Peppini in 8 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: lifetime's hoax, the Kidnapping of Sherry Peppini. This is really 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: a wild one. When Cherry Peppini vanished during a jog 10 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 2: in northern California, it became one of the nation's biggest 11 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: missing person cases. Twenty two days later, she reappeared, claiming 12 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: she'd been kidnapped. Years later, investigators concluded the disappearance had 13 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: been staged, leading to a federal guilty place. More recently, 14 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: Peppinia has publicly offered a different version of events, keeping 15 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: the controversy very much alive. 16 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: So this isn't just a story about a disappearance. 17 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: It's about deception, perception, trauma, and why some mysteries continue 18 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: to divide us long after the headlines fade. Hi, Jamie, 19 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 2: Welcome to Killer thriller. Thank you so much for talking 20 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: with me today. 21 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm happy to be here. 22 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: First of all, your work in this movie is so good. 23 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: It's like just such a deeply upsetting and confusing and 24 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: wild story, and you really have all of those colors 25 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: in this character. 26 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: So congratulations. She did an awesome job. 27 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: Thank you for sharing that. It felt like all of 28 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 3: those things. 29 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 4: It did it. 30 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, well it looks like it. 31 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: So it's emotional to even like talk about it, you. 32 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, why what do you feel? 33 00:01:59,520 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 4: Like? 34 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 1: What's the identification or. 35 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 3: It's it's just a very uh. I have a very 36 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 3: pure like frame of mind and heart. Like when I 37 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 3: first saw it, I first saw the article, it was 38 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 3: like way past I guess when it all happened. I'm 39 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 3: not want to really like keep up on pop culture 40 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 3: like that. I'm so busy like writing movies and making 41 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 3: them and yeah, I and then I saw it on 42 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 3: the cover of People I believe it was People magazine, 43 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 3: and I called my manager and I was like, we 44 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: need to option this because. 45 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: I oh wow, really yeah, I. 46 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 3: Felt this inherent need to protect this person. 47 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, I. 48 00:02:55,200 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 3: Was like, something's wrong, like something's up, something's wrong, and 49 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 3: I'm a woman's woman, and I just yeah, I immediately 50 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 3: felt this need to protect. I was like, I think 51 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 3: the media has this all wrong, Like I don't even 52 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,399 Speaker 3: know because it's like, you know, it's a weekly magazine. 53 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 3: It's not like I It wasn't like a deep dive. 54 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 3: It was like an immediate, visceral, very palpable feeling that 55 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: came over me. And he was essentially like, that's so 56 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 3: strange because you just got an offer, and I was like, for. 57 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: What, no, yes, oh my gosh, I love this. It's 58 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: I talk about men to be you can't even Yeah. 59 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 3: I was like, wait, you know, there's no way. 60 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: Somebody thought of it before you. 61 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: I'm trying to be a baddie, like I need a 62 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: option this story because I don't think enough that people 63 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 3: know about it. Apparently the whole world knew about it, 64 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 3: but I was just late to the game. I guess 65 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 3: I didn't have any access to her. She was at 66 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 3: that time currently in jail, and and I just I 67 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 3: just felt like there were like just so many like how, 68 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: I don't know. I wanted to know more about where 69 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 3: she was coming from, why she was like you know, 70 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 3: why it happened, because it's just so like the very 71 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 3: few details that I had read at that point. 72 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: At what point was was this in the This. 73 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 3: Must have been twenty twenty. She had changed the story. 74 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 3: But I thought that she had changed this story because 75 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 3: she was scared. 76 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 2: So you did you you believe that she changed the 77 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: score the story? You think she was scared of what 78 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: of her husband? So that that's so interesting that that 79 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 2: and so that was your guy feeling when you saw 80 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 2: this person, like something is not right here, because this 81 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: is so interesting. 82 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: And let me tell you, this is. 83 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: Like not how I thought I was this interview was 84 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: going to start, But now that we're talking about it, 85 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: I the first thing that I saw before I even 86 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: watched your movie was her husband speaking to someone I 87 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: don't know, like ABC news or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 88 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: that one interviewed right, And I went, he seems not right. 89 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: So I was confused. 90 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 2: I was like, wait, I'm I'm supposed to think that 91 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: she's crazy, right, But then I felt and I. 92 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: You know, that word crazy is so ridiculous. 93 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: I hate using it for anyone, especially a woman exactly, 94 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: but I went, so I was immediately confused by the information, 95 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: and I feel like this, this case is one of 96 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: these things where it's so complicated because you can't nobody 97 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: really knows the real truth except for the people involved. 98 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:04,679 Speaker 3: To stay there. 99 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: Yes, and it's so hard to once you know, a 100 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: woman is demonized in some way, it's so difficult to 101 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 2: change the story, you know, like nobody wants to hear it, 102 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 2: and not just for women, I think for anybody. 103 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 3: But that's just like the tales all this time, right, 104 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 3: It's like that's you know, I think that's why I 105 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 3: not blindly sided with women. You know, However, if there's 106 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 3: something that feels off, like I I'm like, what are 107 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: they not looking at? What are they not seeing? Yes, 108 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 3: you know what's going on here? What's going on? And 109 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 3: I fought for that throughout the entire movie, you know, 110 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: truly and March, our director is so brilliant. And obviously 111 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 3: there were legal guidelines of things that I wanted to 112 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 3: I don't say, like add to the script per se 113 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 3: in terms of dialogue, but I understood that I had 114 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 3: to first and foremost, my duty is to tell the 115 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 3: truth as an actor, meaning like whatever that experience is 116 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: in the moment, to be as honest as possible, almost 117 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 3: like a warshack in a way to be so specific 118 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: that it's like I'm the warshack you know of so 119 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 3: that whatever. So I'm not determining how people feel or 120 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 3: attempting to sway a narrative per se. And obviously my 121 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 3: job is to entertain, But I feel like the best 122 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 3: way to entertain is to be honest and to the 123 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 3: truth in that moment, you know, I'm saying not to 124 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 3: make a mockery of anyone's life, especially when you're working 125 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 3: with you know, and dealing with real human stories. But 126 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 3: to me, they're all real human stories. 127 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 2: So did you believe that she went to James Rayes's 128 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: house willingly and then it changed or did you think that, 129 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: like did the story that the film tells, which doesn't 130 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: shy away from a lot of things, So, you know, 131 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: for people that might not be familiar, which is probably 132 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: you know, one person, but we'll give. 133 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: It for that one person. 134 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: She went out on a run and then the story 135 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 2: was is that she was abducted and she was abused 136 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: and kept in a small space and how to use 137 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: kitty litter and all sorts of horrible things. She was 138 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:46,239 Speaker 2: branded on her back, and she was she told authorities 139 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 2: that she was kidnapped by two Hispanic women. 140 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 3: And then was was the hardest part for me? 141 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, to be that because you couldn't tell me why. 142 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 3: Just like saying those words out loud was really hard 143 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 3: for me, really hard for me, Like probably the hardest. 144 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: Because you felt like they weren't true or you felt 145 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: like they were racist statements or exist. Yeah, yeah, I 146 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: mean that is really one of the heart I mean, 147 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 2: I don't know if I can say one of the 148 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: hardest to swallow that there's so many complicated things here, but. 149 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: Because it was implicating to other women, right, right, So 150 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 3: that was extremely hard, and especially women that are not white, right, 151 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 3: And so like the whole thing was like a very 152 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 3: intense reconciling with not having access to all of the 153 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 3: actual information, not being able to talk to her in 154 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 3: person or ever see her face, not being able to 155 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 3: get a human to human gage, the way that I 156 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 3: can look at you and I know that you're telling 157 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 3: the truth. I can tell by every micro expression that 158 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 3: you make or you know, it's like yeah, you know, 159 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 3: so it wasn't legally loud, so then in a way 160 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 3: it you know, it's an extreme and extremely responsible. 161 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: No, it's a responsibility. 162 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and so I did everything that I could, 163 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 3: with all of my training and all of my truth 164 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 3: as a human being to just tell her truth in 165 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 3: that moment, to tell her truth the way through her eyes, 166 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 3: as she had said she experienced it. And when it 167 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 3: came to those statements, I mean, I barely could throw 168 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 3: them out of my mouth, you know what I mean, 169 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: Like it was so I it was I did not 170 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 3: turned it in to a bigotry or you know, it's 171 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 3: like like I could barely say them, you know what 172 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 3: I mean. And that takes a level of mastering itself, 173 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 3: you know, just because it's not in my nature, you 174 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So because something is not in 175 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 3: my nature doesn't mean that it's not in someone else's nature. 176 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 3: And it becomes a real conundrum to say the least. 177 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, And she said that, you know, 178 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 2: this is. 179 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: She she said she made these choices. 180 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 2: You know, she said it was these two women because 181 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: she was trying to give them authorities FBI everyone, uh, 182 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 2: kind of breadcrumbs to the truth. Right, that James Rayes 183 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 2: is half Hispanic. So she was saying this is all 184 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: in retrospect years later, right, she said that, Yeah, like 185 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: there's some logic to that, but then you're going, wait 186 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: a second, is that. 187 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: Just sort of convenient. 188 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: Saying you know that that's why she and then she 189 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: had hoped that that would lead them to. 190 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: Finding him. 191 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 3: Well that's the thing though, even that in itself, it's 192 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 3: pretty striking. Yeah, there's not a lot of safety in 193 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 3: this world for women. 194 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 4: I agree. 195 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: The more that I kept watching it, I feel like 196 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: we are in meaning watching the movie, your movie, and 197 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 2: then watching interviews and reading up I just it just 198 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: feels like none of it makes sense. 199 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 3: It doesn't, It doesn't, It feels sims. Yeah, yeah, I 200 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,119 Speaker 3: feel like we're in the matrix, which we already. 201 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 2: We already are, But yeah, like that, and I think 202 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 2: you know this there. There was also something about that 203 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: she was poisoning her children and making them sniff alcohol 204 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: out of bags, like something that I that her husband 205 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 2: was saying, and this is like and then she said, 206 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 2: I I give my kids organic like I don't want 207 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 2: to give them medications. I'm paraphrasing, but you know she's 208 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: essentially saying she would give them like I don't know 209 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 2: if it. 210 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: Is eucalyptus or something like that to. 211 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: Like smell right, Yes, right, and the husband turned that 212 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 2: into you know that something where he asked the children 213 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: and the children said something like, oh, if you want 214 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 2: to pretend to be sick like The language they used 215 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 2: was very childlike and a little bit confused, but essentially saying, 216 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 2: you you can just like sniff into the bag and 217 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: just like mom does when we don't feel good. And 218 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 2: it was like, what And I immediately thought about how 219 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 2: my daughter when she was little, she would be in 220 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: the bathroom with me in the morning, yes, and there's 221 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 2: my mouth wash would be it was under the sink, 222 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 2: and I would like drink the mouth you know, like 223 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 2: swish around the mouth wash. And she said something to 224 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: someone like, oh, yeah, well my mom she takes a 225 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 2: bottle from under the. 226 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 3: I mean. 227 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 5: And I was like, oh no, no, no, no, no, 228 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 5: that's not what's going on, you know. 229 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 2: So that's immediately what I thought, like, wait a second, 230 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 2: now that she's saying that, it could be either thing, 231 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: you know, it's really diabolical and scary. 232 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: It is. It's frightening to say the least. 233 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 4: Mm hmm. 234 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: So did you think about. 235 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 3: There? 236 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: In in your movie, they suggest that she had a 237 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: complicated relationship with her mother, and did learning about her 238 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: family background change the way you looked. 239 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: At her at all. 240 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 3: I mean, I take everything into like the limit again, 241 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 3: limited because the information that I had was very limited, 242 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 3: and it was according to what you know, they determined, 243 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 3: what was determined that I could quote unquote like you 244 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 3: use right, But yeah, that relationship between herself and her 245 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 3: mother was very complex and yeah, yeah, and and and 246 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 3: in a way, now that I look at it, that's 247 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 3: almost in itself a red herring. 248 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, because her mom in they. 249 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: They say in the movie that there was some abuse 250 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 2: right yes by, and that they allude to that, and 251 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: that that was also perhaps why she would lean into 252 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: this relationship with this stable guy who has a good 253 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 2: job and has his family, you know, like that kind 254 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: of safety. 255 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 3: And when I and when I was doing the film, 256 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 3: like that information felt really like that in itself was 257 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 3: like very I'm still tripping over the whole, like what 258 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 3: he said about the kids and this being sick and 259 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 3: like sometimes I just get so up, like I'm just 260 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 3: like what you know what I mean, Like, yeah, I 261 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 3: like it has a really obviously profoundly emotional impact on me. 262 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: This I know I can see that. I Mean, it's 263 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: very clear in your performance that it's not that you 264 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: were very deeply connected to what you were doing that 265 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: and without uh commentary, and that. 266 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 3: Is and that's again like one of the hardest or 267 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 3: I would say that the the most challenging things about 268 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 3: my craft and at the same time the reason why 269 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:35,959 Speaker 3: I love this craft so much because the pure you 270 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 3: are in your intention. You know, my job again is 271 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 3: not to sway anybody about my opinions or beliefs, but 272 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 3: again to just be as honest and the mon as possible. 273 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 3: And that doesn't that you know, that's not I was 274 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 3: so like. 275 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: It takes that's not easy to do. 276 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, with lifetime movies, you don't always have a huge 277 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 2: amount of time, and you know, there's like the schedule 278 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 2: can be kind of grueling, and so being able to 279 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 2: really get that depth and that care is not an 280 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: easy task, you know, It's it's a tall order. 281 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 3: With this one. Obviously, as I told you previously, i'd 282 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 3: seen this story but only in that one, you know article. 283 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 3: And then because it was a female director that I 284 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 3: respected and really really wanted to work with female producers, 285 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 3: I was like, this is gonna be dope, you know 286 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 3: what I mean? I get to work with that and 287 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 3: do something amazing, you know. And and then it was 288 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 3: wild because when I was in Can at the can 289 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 3: Film Festival, everyone kept clung being like, oh my god, 290 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 3: on Netflix, it's like in the top five. I was like, what, 291 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 3: I didn't know if they were talking about Black Summer 292 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,719 Speaker 3: Heart at Dixie, Like I didn't know which one. I'm 293 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 3: right and like Cherry Peppinis. So the Netflix acquired it, right, 294 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 3: and it stayed in the top five for many, many weeks. 295 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: I mean that, so, why do you think many weeks? 296 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: Why do you think people are so why do you 297 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 2: think it has stayed with people. 298 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:24,479 Speaker 1: In the public. 299 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot of different reasons why I think, 300 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 3: I mean some of them not maybe as PC's I 301 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 3: think that, yeah, I mean there's a lot of different 302 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 3: reasons why she's beautiful. She seemed to have it all. 303 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 3: I feel like people, and I don't see this as 304 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 3: a generalization that for whatever reason, mothers are subject to 305 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 3: being under invested, negition and ways that are extraordinarily cruel. 306 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 3: I think that the dizzy nature of this particular story, right, 307 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 3: with so many specific details, specific details, whilst the investigation 308 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 3: running through this machine, right, it's like and also I 309 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 3: think about the children. That's what I think about, Right, 310 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 3: That's all I think about. Those were kids, right, I like, 311 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 3: that's all that's all I thought about since the minute 312 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 3: that I read it. That's all I've thought about since 313 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 3: the minute that I did it. Like, like, that's all 314 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 3: I've thought about is these children, Yeah, you know, and 315 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 3: what it is that that they're experiencing. 316 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: Being in the middle quite to really have it. 317 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 3: It's so irresponsible and it's so wrong, and it's disgusting. Frankly, Yeah, 318 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 3: it really is. It really is. It really is. And 319 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 3: they were miners, like not they shouldn't. Like they're they're 320 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 3: they're the childhood's their youth is being i mean not 321 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 3: only shaken by whatever did or did not take place, 322 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 3: but then through the media's eyes. So can you imagine 323 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 3: if you're a child or so may I mean, just 324 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 3: the implications in itself. To me, it's like, if I 325 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 3: could do all the kinds of justice, which I believe 326 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 3: that I did with the way that I handled this story, 327 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 3: if I like, really all I care about is those kids. 328 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's certainly now is a part of 329 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 2: the fabric of their lives, Like this is the basis. 330 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 3: Decided to make it exposed the minute that homeboy, did 331 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 3: you know, the minute that the officers did. Like if 332 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 3: people do not really understand the impact of that, it's 333 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 3: like insane to me, because they're private citizens, you know. 334 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 2: Right, well so much also, you know, there there seems 335 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 2: to be a real need to appear perfect and to 336 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 2: have this very curated life, and they were so committed 337 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 2: to it. Sounds like both of them. But certainly, Sherry, 338 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 2: I mean, how much of that do you think is 339 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 2: a part of because it seems like a pretty big. 340 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 3: Factor of perfectionism. I mean, I think that's just inherent 341 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 3: with being born a woman. 342 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 5: And and that's the end of the interview because I 343 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 5: clearly agree by a good night, and because also what we. 344 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 3: Have to pull on that thread to be like, oh 345 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 3: that she appeared to look like a perfect woman, therefore 346 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 3: then she must be super corrupt or something. I I'm 347 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 3: not judge and jury here, I'm not. And I think 348 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 3: that whatever was going on, we don't know, right, we 349 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 3: don't know, uh, but surely, like I would my preference 350 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 3: be that every single side be looked at more thoroughly. 351 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 3: For sure, you know, do I think that this is 352 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 3: an opportunity unity to beg a bigger question about how 353 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 3: we handle cases like this. 354 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely, yes to me, that's a very big motivator in 355 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 2: this doing this podcast at all, It's been incredibly fascinating 356 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 2: and fulfilling for me. But I am mainly interested in 357 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 2: the emotional impacts of these things and how we move forward. 358 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 3: Amazing like that, and your centeredness about it is not 359 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 3: coming from a place of like like exploits expectation. Yeah, 360 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:44,479 Speaker 3: that's not. I think that you are sincerely a not 361 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 3: only a curious soul. I mean that you're curious about things, 362 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 3: but that you you really want to understand in a 363 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 3: different way and you eat things in a different way. 364 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 3: And so our podcast is extremely important in that because 365 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 3: it's it requires that, it requires people like you to 366 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 3: stand up and discuss, you know, all of this stuff, 367 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 3: you know, because there's a reason like why is it? 368 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 3: Why is it that these stories move us? What is 369 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 3: it about these stories? Right? What are the themes? What 370 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 3: are the situation, circumstances, environments, what are all of the factors? 371 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 3: And then why does each one hit into each person 372 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 3: in different ways? Like where does that come from? Because 373 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 3: it's speaking about the greater threat of humanity, right, you know, 374 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 3: and especially in the United States of America. 375 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 4: That's right. 376 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 3: And so I'm really proud of you. 377 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 2: I really appreciate you saying that, because that is truly 378 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 2: my heart and soul that's coming through this like that 379 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 2: is what I'm trying to do. And I think we 380 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,239 Speaker 2: you know, there there is so much exploitation in this 381 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 2: world about a multitude of things, and I think there 382 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 2: is a very fine but very clear line of when 383 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 2: that is happening and when that is not happening, you know, 384 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: and very much. 385 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 3: So, which is very very evident in your work. 386 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, And that's why I. 387 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 3: Feel taking it to come on and to speak with you, 388 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 3: and I think it's extremely important what you're doing. 389 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: Really, Thank you so much. I can't tell you how 390 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: much that means to me. Thank you. If you could 391 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: talk to Sherry or say something to her, Oh you have, 392 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, How did I not ask you that? 393 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: I just assumed that you hadn't, But you have. 394 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 3: Oh, we would assume I hadn't because I hadn't. 395 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: So post did you talk to her post shooting the movie? Wow? 396 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: Are you comfortable sharing any of that? Nope? That's okay. 397 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 2: Wow, well I am I can tell I'm very glad 398 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 2: that you had the opportunity to do that. Me too, 399 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 2: because you know, no matter what, we all, as you know, 400 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 2: armchair experts here, will like to believe about anything when 401 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 2: you look at all of these kinds of cases, but 402 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 2: this in particular, I don't know what really happened, but 403 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 2: it's clear that something that these people are not okay, right, 404 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 2: that she's not okay. So there's something there that is 405 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: very important and very precious. 406 00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that anyone in this particular situation 407 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 3: is okay. I think it's obviously it's not a thought. 408 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 3: Clearly it's very traumatic for every single person. 409 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would like for us culturally to 410 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 2: have a little more care and attention to nuance and 411 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 2: understanding that nothing is black and white. It's like nothing crazy, 412 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 2: Like these words are so just incomplete. 413 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 3: These stories have to do with life and death, and 414 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 3: that's the bottom line. Each one of these things has 415 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 3: an opportunity to literally continue to destroy lives, men, lives. 416 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 3: I mean, there are so many different facets because the 417 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 3: minute that you pull the one thread, God knows what 418 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 3: happens to the rest right, and so it's like it's 419 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 3: a huge responsibility. I don't take what I do lightly 420 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 3: at all. All Yeah, at all, yep, this particular and 421 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 3: it's not even particular, like it's extremely challenging, it's been. 422 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 3: This one is so sensitive, you know what I mean, 423 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 3: it's it's super sensitive. 424 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 4: Yep. 425 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 3: And just like any anything that we're trying to figure 426 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 3: out any I guess we could say story, yeah, you know, 427 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 3: but it's like, are we thinking of the greater implications 428 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 3: about what's for the highest good of all involved here? 429 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 3: Every person involved? 430 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 5: Yes? 431 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 3: What is for the highest good of all involved here? 432 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: Yes? Well? 433 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 2: I feel very much like this movie, and in large 434 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:51,719 Speaker 2: part because you are in nearly every frame of this movie, 435 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 2: like you, It is very much your movie, your your 436 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 2: commitment to that kind of authenticity and the purity of 437 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 2: telling the experiences as it's happening, without you know, commentary 438 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 2: and without. 439 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: Putting a heavy lean on it. 440 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 2: Because I think when I went into the watching the movie, 441 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 2: I didn't know how it was going to be told 442 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 2: or sort of what aspect and I the end of 443 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 2: the movie, I felt like I almost felt like I 444 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 2: can't believe they made this movie, you know, because I 445 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 2: have this like heavy handed. 446 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: Thing telling you how to feel about. 447 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 3: It exactly, which is honestly, like, to the credit of 448 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 3: all the women that worked on this project. Yeah, you know, 449 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 3: and and the men and like all of our crew 450 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 3: are cast. Our filmmaker, I mean, she's extraordinary. It's just amazing. 451 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 3: Extra is such a great filmmaker. She's so good. She's 452 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 3: so good. Yeah, because it can easily be like that 453 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 3: thing where it's like, yes, oh, I'm going to play 454 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 3: the villain, but not the villain. The villain but not 455 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 3: the villain. You know, yes to something, but it's real life. 456 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 4: Yep. 457 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: Well right, these are real people that had. 458 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 2: Very real experiences that are incredibly complicated and. 459 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 3: It is not mine. It is not mine. Mine is 460 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 3: only to purely do as we've already discussed, and as 461 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 3: a mother to protect her children, and you know too, 462 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 3: to give it to the audience per se mm hmm, 463 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,719 Speaker 3: without telling people what to think or feel, you know. 464 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: Yep. 465 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is why I think, you know, 466 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 2: making films and television shows about. 467 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: These real things is important. 468 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 2: Because I I interviewed Skeat Ullrich about his Elizabeth Smart movie, 469 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 2: and Elizabeth it was it was incredible he was saying, 470 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 2: you know that she came to the set and she 471 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 2: was very open with him, and she and Amanda Knox 472 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,959 Speaker 2: said it this a very similar thing that sometimes like 473 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 2: it's we are able to digest information through storytelling easier 474 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: than we are by just like reading it. And I 475 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 2: think that or like an investigative journalist doing it, which 476 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 2: is also important. 477 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 3: But that's why your forum is so important. Yeah, yeah, 478 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 3: we have a question, so like when you first started this, 479 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 3: like I didn't talked about it before, but like what 480 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 3: moves you like and and how and like how do 481 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 3: you sleep. 482 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: Right? 483 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 3: Life? Sincerely? 484 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: So that's a real question. 485 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: So the long and short of it is when I 486 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 2: heart came to me with this. 487 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: First of all, they asked, do you watch True crime? 488 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: Do you have any interest in that? And I said, 489 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: do you mean? 490 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 2: Do I stay up far later than I should and 491 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 2: loose sleep watch? And so you know, the connection for 492 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 2: me doing the narrative film and TV shows is because 493 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 2: I'm an actress, and so that's the tie in there. 494 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 2: But I had this moment with myself before saying yes, 495 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 2: where I said, wait a second, can I do this 496 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 2: in a way that is really about the human side 497 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 2: of this and is there a way to do this 498 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 2: without being exploited, because I feel there is, like that's 499 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 2: my whole intention. So I really thought about it before 500 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 2: saying yes. And you know, I understand that there is 501 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 2: a morbid fascination with these things and not you know, 502 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 2: like I understand all of that, but again there is 503 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 2: not there is something deeply important behind all of these 504 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 2: things because it is a part of the human experience. 505 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: These are all human beings that are doing these things. Yes, 506 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: And there's so much. 507 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 2: Trauma and pain and things that you know, I have 508 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 2: been so moved by like Elizabeth Smart for example, that 509 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 2: movie they just said, so, it came out in twenty seventeen. 510 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: It's called I'm Elizabeth Smart. 511 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 2: Yes, the fact that someone can go through something like 512 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 2: that andience and that resiliency and to decide I'm going 513 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 2: to answer the call of my life because this is 514 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 2: what it is, and then decide to help other people, 515 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 2: Like I'm getting I get chills thinking about it, Like 516 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 2: that commitment to life is it's just unbelievable, Like it's 517 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 2: it's it's really important. Yes, it's like triumphant beyond it is. Yeah, 518 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 2: it's like I just so this I just. 519 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how, that's how we got here. So it 520 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: really means so much that that you can feel. 521 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 2: That because that's you know. 522 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 3: Like sincerely, I sincerely. It gives me the chelse. I'm like, like, 523 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:41,399 Speaker 3: it's responsible media what you're doing and sharing. Thank you 524 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,439 Speaker 3: as an actor, as a human being, as a mother. 525 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's like you can't. 526 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 3: Those are you know, I know your less Left credits 527 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 3: goes on and on, and it's just it's so important. 528 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 3: M thank you. 529 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: I agree. 530 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, well, Jamie, I don't even know what 531 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 2: to say. This has been so wonderful. I really wanted to. 532 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 2: I was so looking forward to talking with you, but 533 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 2: I didn't know how it would be or how you 534 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 2: would feel about to And I'm just like. 535 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: I feel really good. Oh my gosh, yeah, same same, 536 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 1: Wait where we're Oh my gosh. 537 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 2: Well, I just adore you and your work's beautiful in 538 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 2: this as it is in everything that you do, and 539 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 2: I just I so wish you the best of of 540 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 2: all of it, with everything, and I hope we get 541 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,800 Speaker 2: to meet in person me too sometime soon. Hoax, the 542 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 2: kidnapping of Sherry Peppini, is streaming on Netflix. And Jamie 543 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,320 Speaker 2: King You're. 544 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: You're a queen. 545 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 3: Thank you, I appreciate you.