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Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the

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Speaker 1: upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country. Hey

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Speaker 1: don't look now, but we are five weeks away from

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. Things are heating up. Pro days are

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Speaker 1: happening left and right all over the country. The combines

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Speaker 1: take shape. I'm Matt Taylor. Good to be with you

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Speaker 1: inside the Indiana Union Construction Industry radio studio, and welcome

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Speaker 1: back to Inside the Draft, or weekly preview of the

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Speaker 1: upcoming NFL Draft. And today we're talking things up with

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft insiders. Shane Hallam from Draft Countdown. Who's back

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Speaker 1: with us for another year. Shane, Good to be with you, sir.

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Speaker 1: How are you. I'm doing great. We're getting close with

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Speaker 1: the draft. It's my favorite time of the year, no

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Speaker 1: doubt about it. We are getting closer. Indeed, late March,

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Speaker 1: heading into early April. It's gonna be upon us before

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Speaker 1: you know it. So let's get right into it. You've

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Speaker 1: got your seven round mock draft up right now. At

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Speaker 1: the top, you've got the Panthers drafting CJ. Stroud after

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Speaker 1: their trade with the Bears, A couple weeks ago. Why

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Speaker 1: is Stroud, in your eyes, worth all of those picks

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Speaker 1: the Panthers gave up and they get their quarterback. I

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Speaker 1: think with CJ. Stroud, you're getting a Joe Burrow type

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Speaker 1: of quarterback who has just this elite ball placement ability,

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Speaker 1: has a little bit of movement skills has You know, CJ.

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Speaker 1: Stroud's been up and down in the pocket, but we

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Speaker 1: saw against Georgia in his final college football game that

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Speaker 1: he can maneuver the pocket. Well, you know, I just

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Speaker 1: think he is a good NFL quarterback who's going to

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Speaker 1: pass the ball to get things done. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's different from the rest of this class. But I

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Speaker 1: imagine they're gonna do their due dialogums, right, They're gonna

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Speaker 1: compare Stroud and Young. But to meet CJ. Stroud is

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Speaker 1: the best quarterback in this draft. I want the guy

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Speaker 1: the ball exactly where his receiver needs to get it.

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Speaker 1: And why do you have Rout over Bryce Young? What

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Speaker 1: is it about Young or what is it about Stroud

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Speaker 1: that you have that separation there. I think I think

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Speaker 1: it's close. They'll worry about Bryce Young. Size is legitimate.

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Speaker 1: You know, we have only had two quarterbacks draft in

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Speaker 1: the first round in NFL history under six feet tall.

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Speaker 1: H Bryce Young will be the third, and we've we've

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Speaker 1: only had one that was under two hundred pounds. Bryce

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Speaker 1: Young came in at two o four at the Combine,

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Speaker 1: but he did not play at that shit over two

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Speaker 1: hundred pounds and he won't in the NFL. So he's

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Speaker 1: just such an outlier. I love how he's ice cold

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Speaker 1: well when the game's close. But I think you have

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Speaker 1: to be worried he had an injury this year. I

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Speaker 1: think it's can Bryce Young hold up? And you know,

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Speaker 1: even when he starts to talk passing the ball twenty

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Speaker 1: yards down the field on the sidelines, some of the

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Speaker 1: out routes. I think DJ strouts a little more sharp

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Speaker 1: on some of those harder routes to throw too. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the Colts. You've got the Colts sitting

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Speaker 1: at four, staying at four drafting and Anthony Richardson. What

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Speaker 1: tells you Richardson is worthy of a top five pick

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Speaker 1: toughest evaluation for Anthony Richardson. He is the most athletic

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Speaker 1: quarterback in NFL history, easily. He passes Cam Newton for

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Speaker 1: that after the combine. So you love a guy that's

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Speaker 1: let his athleticism, do a little bit of the work,

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Speaker 1: gms and some of these teams, Shane, how much I

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Speaker 1: mean Anthony Richardson is is such a fascinating player because

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Speaker 1: of everything you just chronicled. How much did he help

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Speaker 1: And he kind of boosted himself into the top five,

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Speaker 1: the topic of the Colts, everybody around towns now talking

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Speaker 1: here's talking and debating whether or not the Colts need

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Speaker 1: trade back. What's the like hood of that happening? I

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Speaker 1: like like the Raiders, Well they sided Shimmy Garoppolo, They're fine.

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals and you move down, you're gonna lose out

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Speaker 1: If the Cardinals trade back, let's just say hypothetically that

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Speaker 1: assuming a team trades up to three to grab a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Is there a scenario where you see the Colts just saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna pick the best player available. Our evaluation doesn't

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Speaker 1: trading back from four and addressing quarterbacks some other way.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people around here would obviously, you know,

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Speaker 1: likelihood of that? Again, if if quarterbacks go one, two,

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Speaker 1: how think we expands often overestimate teams taking quarterbacks. If

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Speaker 1: we saw that last year, the quarterback's not good enough

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Speaker 1: to go four, Chris Meller's not taking him at four.

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Speaker 1: what's there in the second round. Maybe Hendon Hooker at

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Speaker 1: necessarily four is a quarterback or bust? Right now? How

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Speaker 1: much flexibility you've been tracking free agency as well, Shane,

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Speaker 1: With the addition of Gardner Minshew, how much more flexibility

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Speaker 1: does that give the Colts in this equation on what

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Speaker 1: to do? Sitting there in the top five in terms

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Speaker 1: ton of flexibility because now you don't feel like you

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Speaker 1: have to pigeonhole a quarterback into the starting lineup immediately.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Sam Ellinger was not going to start for

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Speaker 1: reach for the fourth best quarterback in this draft if

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Speaker 1: That allows you to not have to do that. All right,

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Speaker 1: Jaylen Carter? Have you ever seen shane a draft stock

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Speaker 1: pro day performance? Just awful? What try to make sense

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Speaker 1: three group, and no doubt about that. That's Shane. How

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Speaker 1: m NFL Draft insider for Draft Countdown always appreciate the time, Shane. Now,

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Speaker 1: coverage and content on Draft night? Hype it up. We're

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Speaker 1: We're actually gonna do it for all three days the draft,

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Speaker 1: All Right, we know where to go Draft Countdown, Shane Hallam.

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Speaker 1: gonna be here before you know it. Shane, thanks so

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Speaker 1: Love your work and I hope we can do it

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