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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast presented by About three

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Speaker 1: sixty five. We are part of the Volume Podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: I am Chad Nolman of the Action Network. Today is

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Speaker 1: our very first NFL episode of this long and winding

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Speaker 1: off season, but the NFL never stops. We will discuss

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Speaker 1: the upcoming NFL Draft, this week's combine in Indianapolis, the

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Speaker 1: latest league headlines. We're going to be joined by a

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Speaker 1: very special guest who will be on the ground in Indie,

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Speaker 1: but first live from our Tommy John Holmes Studios. I'm

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Speaker 1: joined as always by micro hos, my companion Michael Padre

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Speaker 1: might BFF professional better signon Hunter Hero.

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Speaker 2: So I am ed, hello, chat, how are we doing?

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Speaker 1: So good? So so good? Today is my wife's birthday

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Speaker 1: and I've been on it. Like I got the gifts.

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Speaker 1: the candle in like cornbread muffin this morning that my

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Speaker 1: my wife were at dinner last night. I got her

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Speaker 1: like I asked her when I went downstairs today, would

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Speaker 1: you like some lunch? And I brought her some lunch

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Speaker 1: like I am fucking nailing it today.

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Speaker 2: The flowers on the way.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get them later, as always flowers. I screwed

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Speaker 1: up on the flowers, like I realized this morning when

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Speaker 1: do the flowers. So I'll get them. I got time,

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Speaker 1: good Man, not over Listen. Before we get to our guest, Simon,

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Speaker 1: we have to give Matt Mitchell his flowers, speaking of

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Speaker 1: because we had no idea how people were going to

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Speaker 1: react to his pre Civil War tales of gambling, mayhem

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Speaker 1: with Andrew Jackson, and Mutiny on the Sea. But I

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Speaker 1: did get a bunch of texts from friends about how

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Speaker 1: much they love them, and these are not hardcore gambling guys.

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Speaker 1: And we did get a lot of positive emails and

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Speaker 1: notes from listeners as well. We will be doing another

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Speaker 1: Gambling Stories episode in the future. Next month, We're going

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Speaker 1: to bring on David Schwartz, the author of Roll the

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Speaker 1: Bones that Matt liberally borrowed from. I've known David a

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Speaker 1: long time. He's been a professor at UNLV of gambling

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Speaker 1: history forever. He'll have some great, great stuff. How did

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Speaker 1: you feel it went, Simon? Were you happy with it?

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Speaker 1: Did you get response from anybody.

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Speaker 2: I liked it, but you definitely saw the age dispiracy.

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Speaker 3: I heard from people forty five and above, no one

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Speaker 3: sounds about right for that type of episode.

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Speaker 1: That's funny. All right, let's bring on our guests. She's

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Speaker 1: covered NFL data, NFL science, NFL everything with the NFL

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Speaker 1: Network for almost a decade. Before that, she was one

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Speaker 1: of the few people roaming the halls at ESPN smart

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Speaker 1: enough to understand the impending analytics revolution, and she worked

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Speaker 1: like crazy to get ahead of it. As I remember

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Speaker 1: from our many many conversations back at the world Wood

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Speaker 1: Worldwide Leader, she's the impresario of numbers Game with Cynthia Freeland.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Cynthia.

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Speaker 4: That's a nice I'm gonna like. I'm very touched with

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Speaker 4: that intro. Thank you very much, very sweet. I also

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Speaker 4: have like a good, like a real gambling story about

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Speaker 4: my grandpa. I don't know if you've ever heard this

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Speaker 4: but in the forties he went into an illegal casino

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Speaker 4: in Toledo, Ohio. I'm from Michigan and he's from near Detroit.

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Speaker 4: He won almost forty thousand dollars in the forties, which

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Speaker 4: and they're like, aren't you going to keep playing? He's like,

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Speaker 4: heck no, I'm out of here. He bought the farm.

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Speaker 4: He was very, very poor growing up. He bought the

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Speaker 4: So all because in the forties he played a bunch

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Speaker 5: If you will, you.

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Speaker 1: Are the legacy of a gambling kingpin.

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Speaker 4: I am the legacy. And he used to take me

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was buying big data. I was buying tech

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Speaker 1: Uh, explain to people like you know how you made

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 4: I worked at the League Office in two thousand and

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Speaker 4: should it be eighteen games, seventeen games, et cetera. And

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Speaker 4: different scenarios. Spoiler alert, We're going to have eighteen games

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Speaker 4: by that, but you know, at that time, I sat

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Speaker 4: Coaches, and you get to sit in this dark room

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Speaker 4: I learned how to code, and I realized I could

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Speaker 4: But ultimately I figured out that there was kind of

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Speaker 4: I think part of that was because my grandpa was

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Speaker 4: It felt like fun and interesting, right, like buyer speed ratings,

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Speaker 4: like these are things my groom's like, this is crap,

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Speaker 4: I guess that's just weird, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's wild to me. We've had so many conversations about this.

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Speaker 1: I had no idea that story about your grandfather.

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Speaker 4: And the even cooler part is he flew down to

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Speaker 5: He was there for a week.

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Speaker 4: He ate breakfast at the same diner every single day

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Speaker 4: My grandpa was cool, Like he was like, that's a

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Speaker 4: but that's just a cool name. And uh yeah, you

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Speaker 4: know he was. He and he had like shotguns. We

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Speaker 5: Shot it with a shotgun.

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Speaker 1: Crazy anyways, that's that's unreal. Oh yeah, all right. So

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Speaker 1: now now you've you've moved on from betting the ponies, you.

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Speaker 5: I love the ponies.

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Speaker 1: You escaped the uh shackles of ESPN executive dumb, you

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Speaker 1: found a home on air and writing you're writing is

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Speaker 1: fantastic at NFL network. You just put out your first

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Speaker 1: mock for twenty five. Explain to people, like, given every

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Speaker 1: How is it different than the way other people do

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Speaker 4: I think the thought exercise and I think there's a

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 5: Instead?

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Speaker 4: I said, all right, here's the actual free agent pool,

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Speaker 4: here are their ratings, here's the actual team's cap situation

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Speaker 4: as it stands, and their current draft pick status. In

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Speaker 4: for the sake of my editor and you appreciate this,

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Speaker 4: I'm not allowed to propose trades because I would literally

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Speaker 4: But ultimately, what you're trying to say is is you're

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Speaker 4: trying to look at all the different ways that you

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Speaker 4: we know about the different like that you know the draft,

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Speaker 4: the order, what's the kind of the tree scenario? It

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Speaker 4: oh I don't know Sam Darnold end up and how

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Speaker 4: might that impact them? So I don't typically have a

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Speaker 4: other things as well. Oh lines are a typical one

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Speaker 4: for me, the Titans. They're better served, at least at

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Speaker 4: this point, getting a bridge quarterback with one of the

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Speaker 4: He's the most dynamic player, the one that's worth that

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Speaker 4: first pick overall. I know that you know, position wise,

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Speaker 4: quarterback is the most valuable position. However, in this this

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Speaker 4: is a bit of a flavor draft for quarterbacks. That's

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Speaker 4: how my model kind of reads it. So the flavor

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Speaker 4: isn't right for them because they could get Travis Hunter,

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Speaker 4: which would add more value to their bottom line this year.

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Speaker 3: They're just not a real organization because you just can't

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Speaker 3: Could he be a legit ten to fifteen year start

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Speaker 1: Well, look what's interesting. Go ahead, Cynthia.

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Speaker 4: And you don't have five years till you get paid.

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Speaker 4: You only have four.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting when you talk about there is no Jaden

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Speaker 4: So, to start with, you know Shador Sanders specifically, I think,

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of things that are working in his favor.

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Speaker 5: Right, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. It's not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say it's been interesting Chad talking all

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Speaker 3: athletic Lamar like that confidence, that smooth, that flick of

438
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Speaker 3: the wrist downfield passing. That's what cam Ward is. He's

439
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Speaker 3: one of the better athletes I've seen come out and

440
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Speaker 3: I viewed as you know, the bump down he's getting

441
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Speaker 3: chat is if he's not he didn't play in the SEC.

442
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 3: He didn't play in the Big ten. Like that's a

443
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 3: real thing. When you talk to these NFL scouts now,

444
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Speaker 3: is it's all about what competition they are playing against.

445
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 3: We've seen it time and time again. These quarterbacks that

446
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 3: play in the ACC. They might be good, but you're

447
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 3: gonna see them come in and struggle.

448
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Speaker 2: Right.

449
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 3: It's just that's just facts, like getting caught up to

450
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 3: the real NFL speed you're never going to see at

451
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Speaker 3: the ACC, and we've seen it now, Like you know,

452
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Speaker 3: I got caught with that. I was crazy high on

453
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Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence. We've seen Trevor Lawrence have some really tough

454
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Speaker 3: learning curve since coming out and it's been you know,

455
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Speaker 3: five years now, and he's never developed in what we expect.

456
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Speaker 3: So that, to me is what's working against cam Ward

457
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 3: right now, is that he doesn't he played against people

458
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Speaker 3: view as lesser of the end competition where Sanders either

459
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 3: love him or don't like. To me, what I'm hearing

460
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Speaker 3: from the Giants is they love the kid. They don't care,

461
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Speaker 3: like they don't care what people view them as with

462
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Speaker 3: the rankings, as like they're all in on this kid.

463
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Speaker 3: They believe in them. They believe him as a leader

464
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Speaker 3: of men that's going to be their guy. So it's

465
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Speaker 3: me orter to see how it plays out these next

466
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Speaker 3: couple of months where it's like, if the Giants won them,

467
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Speaker 3: they might have go up and get them because other

468
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Speaker 3: teams when I have the same view as him, So

469
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Speaker 3: pretty wild that the Giants are in the third spot

470
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Speaker 3: are kind of dictating how that top of the draft

471
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Speaker 3: might go if they want to move up with Tennessee

472
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Speaker 3: and take who they believe in as Sanders at number one.

473
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Speaker 4: If I'm Joe Shane, if I'm Joe Shane, i am

474
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Speaker 4: telling everyone and their brother that I'm.

475
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Speaker 5: Taking Matthew Stafford.

476
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Speaker 4: Maybe it's a lie, but I'm I'm bluffing, or at

477
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Speaker 4: least potentially considering bluffing, because the truth is is I

478
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Speaker 4: feel like, for whatever reason, Giant scouts tell way too

479
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 4: much of the truth and everyone else are lying liars

480
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Speaker 4: who lie. So I need him to bluff for me

481
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Speaker 4: a lot more like I'm hoping to go to the

482
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Speaker 4: combine and hear nothing but Stafford to Giants. Stafford to Giants,

483
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 4: they need to give us, like stop telling.

484
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Speaker 5: Everybody who you want. Stop it.

485
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Speaker 4: You lose all your leverage and stop being so like, yeah,

486
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Speaker 4: just I want I don't want them to be bad.

487
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Speaker 4: One of my good friends played for the Giants a

488
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Speaker 4: million years ago, Matthias q Nuka, still one of my

489
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Speaker 4: best friends to this day. He won two Super Bowls

490
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Speaker 4: with them, and good lord like they it's just been like,

491
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Speaker 4: I want them, I don't want I want everyone to

492
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Speaker 4: be good. I'm a Lions fan, so of course any right, like,

493
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Speaker 4: but I'd like to see I'd like to see this

494
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Speaker 4: not be get telegraphed again this year.

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Speaker 5: I just feel like they're always telegraphed.

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Speaker 1: You had a line in your mock for Travis Hunter.

497
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Speaker 1: That's said, and then my question isn't okay you got

498
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Speaker 1: Travis Hunter going number one to the Titans. My question

499
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Speaker 1: is Travis Hunter comes off the board no later than

500
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Speaker 1: third overall in eighty one percent of one million simulations.

501
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Speaker 1: One million simulations. Explain that to me.

502
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Speaker 4: So as of right now, you can what you can

503
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Speaker 4: do is you can take historical reference points for tennessee

504
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 4: the brain trust that's now in charge of them, with

505
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 4: kind of historical situations like this, you can you can

506
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Speaker 4: take off the free agencies, the free agents excuse me,

507
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 4: and then you can take all of the different ways

508
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Speaker 4: that this could play out from a trade standpoint as

509
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Speaker 4: of right now. Now, if somebody, if the Giants make

510
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Speaker 4: a move and telegraph that they're taking a quarterback right away,

511
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 4: it brings it down, but only to about seventy. So

512
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Speaker 4: right now he goes very very very very high. Like

513
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Speaker 4: it's kind of amazing how high him and Abdul Carter

514
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Speaker 4: are both projected to go for me based on just

515
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Speaker 4: what we what's known about free agency. And then of

516
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 4: course the LSU offensive tackle like that's going to be

517
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Speaker 4: a good one too, because this is a terrible oline class.

518
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Speaker 4: Like we think it's a weird we think it's a

519
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 4: weird quarterback class. It's a very light, very light offensive

520
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Speaker 4: lineman class. And so point being is that there's just

521
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Speaker 4: so many Travis Hunter is such a rare athlete, and

522
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Speaker 4: I actually think combine wise, later this week, maybe we'll

523
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Speaker 4: hear a little bit more about potentially him as a

524
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Speaker 4: wide receiver. I don't you know, I think we're here

525
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Speaker 4: a lot about corner, but he projects to be a

526
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Speaker 4: great wide receiver for me as well, like great, great,

527
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Speaker 4: like maybe even better than corner.

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Speaker 1: Like why if you're Travis Hunter. Why wouldn't you play

529
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Speaker 1: the position you're equally good at both. You're a potentially

530
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Speaker 1: once in a generation athlete, you just won the Heisman

531
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Speaker 1: as a essentially a two way player. Why wouldn't you

532
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Speaker 1: go to receiver like that? To me is where the

533
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Speaker 1: most money is.

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Speaker 4: It's no doubt where the most money is. But it's

535
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Speaker 4: possible that. I mean, he's playing for Dion, right, and like,

536
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Speaker 4: you know, potentially you see an idol.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

538
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Speaker 4: I'm trying to understand it, but maybe it's I don't

539
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Speaker 4: know if it were me and that it's my client,

540
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 4: I'm like, you're playing wide receiver, my friend. That's a

541
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 4: corner he does you can't catch. That's what that's the common.

542
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Speaker 5: You know, I don't. I don't know.

543
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure why he wouldn't. I think he will,

544
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Speaker 4: That's I guess. My point is, I think that we'll

545
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Speaker 4: see a little bit more of that combine chatter. I

546
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Speaker 4: think that's one thing I expect to hear you.

547
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Speaker 1: What will you look for when you get to the combine,

548
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Speaker 1: when someone like he was going to the combine, What

549
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Speaker 1: is the value of it for you?

550
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Speaker 4: Well, obviously you know from from a the drill standpoint,

551
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Speaker 4: it's a it's a gut check to see if all

552
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Speaker 4: of the stuff that we saw in field pans out.

553
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Speaker 4: So as long as you're within the proper ranges for

554
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Speaker 4: certain things that your position, check the box.

555
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Speaker 5: Who cares right?

556
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 4: Sometimes if someone runs really fast, we know it doesn't

557
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 4: really always translate to awesomeness, but if someone's out of

558
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 4: range slow, that's a reason to go back and double

559
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 4: check your work to see if what happened on the field,

560
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 4: if you're missing something right. Small school guys that fall

561
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 4: into ranges that are maybe better than you expected, that's

562
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 4: another place to look for potential. You know, day two

563
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 4: three steals. But the biggest benefit of being there is

564
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Speaker 4: going through the process and the interview part meaning can

565
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 4: you go through? Can you it's a rigorous process, like

566
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 4: you're poked, you're prodded, you're you know, these kids now

567
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 4: are millionaires before they're even there.

568
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 5: Used to be nice.

569
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Speaker 4: Now they're already millionaires and they're already whatever. So can

570
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Speaker 4: you go through this process and respect the ritual of it?

571
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 4: Because those scouts they work so freaking hard, they're gone

572
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty days a year, Like, can you

573
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 4: be nice, like, can you just be the person who's

574
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Speaker 4: a good teammate? Can you handle being nice to the

575
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Speaker 4: hotel staff? Can you are you not a jerk? Basically?

576
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 4: And how do those interviews go? And then for me specifically,

577
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 4: the other value is trying to kind of understand where

578
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Speaker 4: people's heads are at in terms of free agents and

579
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Speaker 4: of course if they're going to trade draft positions, what

580
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Speaker 4: they're really focusing on. And my personal favorite is kind

581
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Speaker 4: of who are there later round? Like who are the

582
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 4: guys of? Like I love this kid, blahlah blah blah,

583
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 4: who's going to be a late round steal? So it's

584
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Speaker 4: less about the on field stuff. That's just like a

585
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 4: check the box gut, like you is what you put

586
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 4: on the field?

587
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 5: Who you are?

588
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 4: Now? Did you respect the process of training and doing

589
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 4: all the things that are part of this, like whether

590
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 4: or not you think the NFL could be innovated and

591
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 4: you know, made more modern, which we all could find

592
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 4: ways to do that. You have to respect the process

593
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 4: of this. This is what these guys are, those hand

594
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 4: timer guys with the forties, like they'll never go away

595
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 4: even though we have way better ways to do it now.

596
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 4: It's part of the process. It's part of what people

597
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 4: love about it. The ritual of it matters. Can you

598
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 4: go through it and be that guy? Are you a

599
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 4: good teammate?

600
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Speaker 1: But how much access are you actually getting? Like how

601
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: much of this do you get extra access because you're

602
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: with NFL Network? Are you getting more time with players?

603
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: Like how much you can really glean from their personalities?

604
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: And how much of this is just shoe leather. You're

605
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: talking to the people helping with bags and at the

606
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: front desk and the servers and things like that.

607
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Speaker 4: Well, we've started doing We've turned the whole combine into

608
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 4: an event, so fans are now able to come watch.

609
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 4: And the good news about that is I get to

610
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 4: stand on the field and as they're done. I mean

611
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 4: it's a grueling day for me as well, you know,

612
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 4: six hours of keeping the fans excited. These are amazing fans,

613
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 4: by the way, Like the fact that they come out

614
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 4: the way that they do and show up just amazing.

615
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 4: But you know, getting to see how someone reacts when

616
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Speaker 4: they don't, like those little micro expressions when they don't

617
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 4: run the forty that they expected, or when they do

618
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 4: or when who's talking to whom? Who do the guys gravitate.

619
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Speaker 4: I get to stand right on the field with them.

620
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 4: So while it may not go into an implicit model

621
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Speaker 4: that I make, I do feel like I get a

622
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 4: good first hand sense of how these guys interact with

623
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 4: one another because being on the field with them, see

624
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 4: who needs a hug? You can see who's like, you know,

625
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 4: offering the hug to someone else, Like you know, the

626
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 4: who's who's the who's the the dude? You know that dude,

627
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 4: Like you can't model that. That's not that's not quantitative

628
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 4: at all, but the qualitative aspects, and you know, you

629
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 4: can see who's gravitating, Like all of the guys last

630
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 4: year loved Jade Daniel. They were like laughing all like

631
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 4: you can see who's having fun with who, who's alone

632
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 4: or who's not who's you know, it doesn't necessarily mean anything,

633
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 4: but it does help you feel like you understand them

634
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 4: a little bit better. And of course then there's you know,

635
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 4: the shoe leather part and talking to agents and trying

636
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 4: to get a good sense of you kind of know

637
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 4: who you know this too, Chad, like you know to Simon,

638
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 4: like who's the who, Who's like blowing smoke up your bump,

639
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 4: like and who's which agents are? Like my god, blah

640
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 4: blah blah, and you're like whatever, dude, Like okay, cool, right,

641
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's a it's a it's a long week,

642
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 4: but it's it's my favorite week of the whole NFL season, Simon.

643
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: As usual, I was pondering fifth century Greek philosophy earlier today,

644
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: specifically the parable of Hercules at the Crossroads. In this tale,

645
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: a young Hercules approaches a fork in the road, and

646
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: at each path stands a beautiful figure. One represents virtue,

647
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: the path of dignity and purity, the other represents vice,

648
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: the path of decadence and ease. The path Hercules chooses

649
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: that day will shape ancient Greek history. But a lot

650
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: of our listeners face the same choice every day. Dignity

651
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: and purity or decadence and easy living. A stressful decision.

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Speaker 1: I think you wanted to ask Cynthia the next question.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was interesting, Like when I found out we

670
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Speaker 3: were having you on as a guest. I don't listen

671
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: too many football shows during the season because I don't

672
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: want to be one of those people that people are like, oh,

673
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: you got your picks from this show where I even

674
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 3: start copying in your mannerisms, Like there's so many things

675
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 3: I already copy from people that you know, the stable

676
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 3: words that wouldn't even mean to right, it's it's brutal.

677
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Speaker 2: So listen to your show.

678
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Speaker 3: I noticed Man versus Machine you tend to go with

679
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 3: the favorites more often than you go with betting dogs. Now,

680
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 3: is that unique to twenty twenty four because me and

681
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 3: Chad we got punished, Like we've talked at Nugema about it,

682
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: but we basically didn't adjust to last season where the

683
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: kickoff rules did change football. Right, We all can agree now,

684
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 3: especially after the season, that it made teams more willing

685
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 3: to go forward on fourth, you know, fourth down, even

686
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 3: from their own forty than we've ever seen in his

687
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 3: circle data looking back at the NFL. Is that so

688
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: was that unique to the last season or do you

689
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 3: always tend to go towards the favorites Because I know

690
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 3: professionals who you know, they might only bet thirteen fourteen

691
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: bets a total a year and they're all beyond favorites.

692
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: But you were doing three bets a weekend. So like

693
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 3: on me and chat Shore, we go dog kavy because

694
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: we have to bet five a weekend, which is fucking brutal.

695
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 3: You're in the same spot. You're having to bet three

696
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 3: every weekend. Is that easier for you to go more

697
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 3: favorite or do you just played as the model comes

698
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 3: to you, just play whatever is best showing best value

699
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 3: for you.

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Speaker 4: Well, we have to, so I actually put all my

701
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 4: picks out for everything, and then I put confidence levels

702
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 4: on anything so you can look at like you can

703
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 4: go through how confident I'm about favorite against the spread, totals, etc.

704
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 5: It was terrible on totals this year, just sort quick.

705
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 4: But this year favorites were you know, I got a

706
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 4: chance to do preseason with the Broncos and Sean Payton

707
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 4: is one of those coaches who really does a good

708
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 4: job of explaining how special teams can impact everything. So

709
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 4: it really did help in teaching my model. And I

710
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 4: say teaching like this because a lot of the things

711
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 4: that he said to look for, Like, I run a

712
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 4: model that's what's been historically right for eight seasons. Eight

713
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 4: seasons is about right, and then I look at what's

714
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 4: tracking this season, and then I look to see who's

715
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 4: I basically ask coaches what the heck's going on, and

716
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 4: then they help me understand what the D is. So

717
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 4: this year favorites happen to be better because of field position.

718
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 4: I mean, just in general, field position was a better

719
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 4: strategy for teams with better offenses, like it just worked

720
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 4: out better. Look at the Lions, especially when they lost everyone,

721
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 4: but you know, on their defense, so that was what happened.

722
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 4: I mean, a man versus machine. I'm just basically trying

723
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 4: to beat Greg. So I know what all of Greg's

724
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 4: positions are because we're on another show called gamed A

725
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 4: View together, so we see, I see everything he's gonna say,

726
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 4: and I just pick three to try to beat him.

727
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 4: So it's really not that one's really not that. One's

728
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 4: just like, really me trying to beat Greg. And you know,

729
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 4: we do good value picks. But because everything's out there

730
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 4: and everyone can you can see where I land on

731
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 4: all of it, then I feel like it's more fun

732
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 4: to try to kick Greg's But just just because you know,

733
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Speaker 4: I'm not competitive at all.

734
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Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting you mentioned the Peyton stuff, and

735
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: Simon and I have talked about the field position and

736
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: the kickoff rules and how we're going to think about

737
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: the kickoff rules and field position and fourth Town variants

738
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Speaker 1: and be more aggressive as we go forward in the

739
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Speaker 1: next season. What did Peyton explain to you you were

740
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Speaker 1: able to incorporate that maybe made you think differently going

741
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Speaker 1: into last season.

742
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Speaker 4: That this season people who are riskier on offense will

743
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 4: get paid off, and then going into next season it'll

744
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 4: probably it will reverse because defenses will catch up. So,

745
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 4: you know, teams like obviously you know the Lions were

746
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,959
Speaker 4: fourth down team, the Eagles fourth down team, et cetera,

747
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 4: et cetera, like all of those teams you have to

748
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 4: He basically was like give he would say in his terms,

749
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 4: it's like give him a plus one, not one point,

750
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 4: like just he just means like, give them a little

751
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 4: bit of an advantage, right, so give them a plus one.

752
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Speaker 5: And it did tend to play out like that.

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Speaker 4: I guess you know, injuries of course impact how that's

754
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 4: kind of handled. But he was based, he was He

755
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 4: took me through this whole thing about you know, when

756
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 4: is the strategy like are you really going to give

757
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes someone he has to deal with, right?

758
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 5: Why are you really going to who cares?

759
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 4: Like why not go for it if you're on this

760
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 4: specific the yard line, right, Like, if you're gonna why

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00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 4: give make Patrick Mahomes go ninety freaking yards? Don't take

762
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 4: three points and you know, give him now only sixty

763
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 4: yards or whatever, sixty five yards even whatever, give him

764
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Speaker 4: make him go ninety because that changes the calculus. You

765
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 4: are more likely to get the ball back on a

766
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 4: favorable side for you, so then you could kick it

767
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 4: the second time, depending on how many times your possessions are,

768
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 4: Like every coach is a little bit different strategy with

769
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 4: how many possessions you should kick versus not. But give

770
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 4: make Patrick Mahomes go ninety yards. Just that's the That

771
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 4: was kind of the best way to summarize it, right,

772
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 4: make make if you're in the AFC West, specifically make

773
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Speaker 4: them go the whole way. Now, if you're playing the Raiders,

774
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 4: kick the field goal. But if you're playing but if

775
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 4: you're playing Justin Herbert, if you're playing Patrick Malmes, you're

776
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 4: gonna make them go ninety yards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like, Simon, why why did teams need an

778
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: offseason to adjust for this? Cynthia just said, like, it'll

779
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: be different this year because Will will figure it out.

780
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: Why can't they figure it out in the middle of

781
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 1: the season.

782
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 2: They'll try to Chad.

783
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Speaker 3: But I think to what she's touching on a little

784
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 3: bit as well is that d NFL has just changed

785
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 3: so much. Chad, We're like, I not that I give

786
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 3: you shit about it, but there's a lot of fans

787
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 3: out there that missed the Payton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew

788
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 3: Brees throwing over five thousand yards in a season.

789
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: D NFL has just gone away from that completely.

790
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 3: And we've seen the involvement of the running quarterback and

791
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 3: she even touched on it there where it's throwing her.

792
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 3: It's changed the game in so many different ways. The

793
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 3: biggest one to me is that these teams with young quarterbacks,

794
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 3: they will go from a fourth down Bo Knicks took

795
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 3: that Denver team to the playoffs?

796
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: Why fourth down success rate? Washington?

797
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: If you go back and look at their numbers, they

798
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: would never have made the playoffs if they weren't so

799
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 3: high variants on going for it on fourth down once again,

800
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Speaker 3: a young running quarterback.

801
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Speaker 2: So that's also something I've thrown into my model and.

802
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 3: We've talked about where it's like the game has changed.

803
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 3: It's no longer if it's fourth and three automatic punt, right,

804
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 3: if it's I mean, teams on fourth and five are

805
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 3: going for it now because of the high variance of

806
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 3: what you just talked about. It it's like, do you want

807
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 3: to make them drive ninety or do you want to

808
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 3: kick a three here and make mahomes go sixty sixty

809
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 3: five yards where it's like you're already dead. So that's

810
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 3: also something where in the middle of the season chat,

811
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Speaker 3: I think they did try to adjust it, but it

812
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 3: didn't matter, right because we saw Jamie Daniels still was

813
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 3: going seven of eight on fourth down and back to

814
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 3: back games like just the craziest high variance because these

815
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 3: teams couldn't stop that QB run pass option because he's

816
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 3: young quarterbacks so athletics. So that's also part of it, brother,

817
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 3: where it's like it's not just a drop back guy

818
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: where you know, if you can get your four guys

819
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: head of steam, you know they're gonna be dropping back

820
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 3: around fourth and four to run it. I mean even

821
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 3: the Eagles would run it on you know, already in

822
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Speaker 3: seven thirty and eight with Saquon just to get in

823
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 3: a fourth and three position. So we've just seen the

824
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 3: game has evolved and changed so much now with the

825
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: way defenses play that you know, these running quarterbacks, I mean,

826
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 3: it's been a major shift. Like a gay we talked

827
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Speaker 3: to the very top. You know, Dart is a good quarterback.

828
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Speaker 3: He's a pocket passer ten years ago, Chad, he's probably

829
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Speaker 3: a top five, top ten pick right now. You know,

830
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Speaker 3: he's probably gonna be back towards the end of the

831
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Speaker 3: first round just because he's not this young stud athlete.

832
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, the NFL, the way it's evolved, it's just

833
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 3: totally different now where you know, fourth and three it's

834
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: the same as being third and one or third and two.

835
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 3: Like that's how these coaches kind of view it right now.

836
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 3: And like we and you talked about, we tried to

837
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Speaker 3: adjust it. I mean, obviously it worked out much better

838
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 3: for us. We did pretty well in the playoffs, so

839
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 3: we did catch up to it. But it really was

840
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 3: heavy favorites, like the That's that's what me and you

841
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 3: talked about all year. It was that we couldn't adjust

842
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 3: to the favorites. It was just so overwhelming. What was

843
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 3: seventy five percent after Week eleven, Chad, that the favorites covered?

844
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 3: I mean, you can't adjust to that. We bet dog.

845
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 3: So for me and you personally, that was brutal. But

846
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 3: I would say to the NFL, they're gonna be make adjustments.

847
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: What those justices are.

848
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 3: I don't know yet, because to me, it's how do

849
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 3: you stop these running quarterbacks they're I mean, you can

850
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: say the Eagles are one of the best defensive football.

851
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 3: Jane Daniels was basically having his way with that defense

852
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 3: in the playoffs. Like his teammates failed him, not Jane Daniels.

853
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 3: So the new NFL, man, it's tough, like these these weapons,

854
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 3: I mean, the everyone's copying Lamar style. It's totally changing

855
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 3: the game. And we just saw Jalen Hurts. You know,

856
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 3: he set the record for seventy rushing yards in the

857
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 3: Super Bowl two years ago. He broke it this past year,

858
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,479
Speaker 3: growing for seventy two. Like we're living in the moment

859
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 3: of an involved quarterback position. It's all about can your

860
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 3: model adjust to it? And Sam goes for the NFL,

861
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 3: can these head coaches adjust to it? Which I can't wait.

862
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: I mean, we just.

863
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 3: Saw all these guys, all these guys talking about like

864
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 3: she says she's going to the combine, She's gonna hear

865
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 3: so much conversation about the Zach thing we're talking about,

866
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 3: Like I can only imagine every guy in the bars

867
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: having drinks. They're saying, how the fuck do we stop

868
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 3: these guys? Like, how do we stop Jane Daniels in

869
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: the future, because that's that to me, that's the biggest

870
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 3: question mark right now is how do you stop this

871
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 3: new rushing West Coast offense these quarterbacks play.

872
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 4: So I have a stat for you that's actually really interesting.

873
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 4: Just as a there are some imperfections. I'm not putting

874
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 4: to pretend rushing yards over expected or expecting rush yards

875
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: is perfect, I'm not. But directionally I think it is

876
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 4: actually quite telling a running back their baseline. Let's just

877
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 4: you know, let's just say it's adjusted by routes, so

878
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 4: inside and outside are are taken separately. However, an expected

879
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 4: gain for a running back on any early down, first

880
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 4: or second down is four point two yards. So that's

881
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 4: an expected gain on a running back, right for a

882
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,959
Speaker 4: running back. For a quarterback on any down, including third down,

883
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 4: it's six yards. So that's exactly what you're saying. So

884
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 4: at four point two versus six, that's a massively different

885
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 4: value proposition than we've seen in the past.

886
00:42:58,719 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 5: So that's the first thing.

887
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 4: The second thing is the good news for people who

888
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 4: love defense, of which I am one of them. If

889
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 4: I could play any position, I would be Brian Branch.

890
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,959
Speaker 4: I would be a really big badass safety. That would

891
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 4: be my that's my that's my spirit animal right there.

892
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 4: But Chancellor, exactly, I want to like, that's what I

893
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 4: want to do right like that.

894
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 5: It's so not my personality.

895
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 4: I'm such a whim but in my head, that's what

896
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 4: I that's what I that's what I'm manifesting or whatever.

897
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 4: But this is a great defensive front class. So the

898
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 4: D line here, there's a lot of good defensive tackles.

899
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 4: There's a lot of good rushers. I'm not going to

900
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 4: just say edge because they're not coming from the edge.

901
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 4: And now that we've seen I think, you know, the

902
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 4: pendulum will swing.

903
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 5: Back and forth. Right.

904
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 4: We will see We've seen people run duo, which is

905
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 4: you know what your high school does, like just running

906
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 4: right up through the center.

907
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 5: That was it's kind of coming back.

908
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 4: So while the quarterback position feels like, you know, we

909
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 4: have to evolve really a lot, they are also getting

910
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 4: paid more so potentially we're asking them to do to

911
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 4: maybe that's part of it. But I think we will

912
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 4: see some pocket passing. If you can get the right

913
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 4: line and you can get the right receivers, that could

914
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 4: be a good way to do it. Joe Burrow I

915
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 4: know he can run, but Joe Burrow to me, is

916
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 4: a little bit of a It's weird to call him

917
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 4: a throwback, but he feels a little bit more like

918
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 4: a throwback given the state of the NFL right now.

919
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 4: If the difference, if he doesn't get Jamar and Tea back,

920
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 4: it's going to be crazy so or something that level.

921
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 4: So point bing is, I think we will see the shift.

922
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 4: The pendulum will shift back a little bit, and maybe

923
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 4: it starts with some of these guys in this defensive

924
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 4: class living up to expectations.

925
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: Have you, guys, either of you already started thinking about

926
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: your models for next year, how you'll make adjustments and

927
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: what specifically are you researching That is new, Cynthia, you're

928
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: shaking your head.

929
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 5: Off Ball linebackers have been before.

930
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 4: It was like Fred Warner and that's it, Like, I mean,

931
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 4: there was a few more, but off ball linebackers to

932
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 4: me are the They're really hard for non football, Like

933
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 4: you can see what a wide receiver does, like I

934
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 4: know what the running backs supposed to do. I'm pretty

935
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 4: sure I know what the quarterback is supposed to do too,

936
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 4: maybe not on each play, but just in general. I

937
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 4: don't know where Fred Warner is supposed to be in

938
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 4: specific play, I don't know where Jack Campbell is supposed

939
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 4: to be.

940
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 5: I don't know where.

941
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know a certain Eagles player who's probably

942
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 4: gonna get paid a lot of money and made a

943
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 4: huge difference for that defense. So to me, a lot

944
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 4: of the a lot of the kind of the way

945
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 4: that no one's playing based defense anymore.

946
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 5: Who's playing with?

947
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 4: How many defensive backs, A lot of nickel, a lot

948
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 4: of dime, all these different I'm very curious to see

949
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 4: where the advantages lie. Like, I think the Colts will

950
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 4: be a much better defense this year getting lou An

951
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 4: Arumo there, and I think that will then impact how

952
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 4: we view all of these different So I'm taking I'm

953
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 4: taking it from the center of the defense and projecting

954
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 4: it backwards as my new flare the year. Again, I

955
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 4: have all my other models, but I'm starting with kind

956
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 4: of what is the middle who what is the you know,

957
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 4: center fielder of the defense doing, and then trying to

958
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 4: figure out if that is a different way I could

959
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 4: look at it that would be more strategic this year,

960
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 4: given that I do believe the premise that defenses will

961
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 4: have an advantage in the season after offensive having such

962
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 4: a big one last year.

963
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 1: How about you, samon.

964
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 3: Uh, It's tough because right now, like I did make

965
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 3: adjustments that in the playoffs, and I mean, my model it.

966
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: Was a dream and it's ten to zero to one

967
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 2: end the season. I'm model on side, so like, hell, yes,

968
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: better than that, brother.

969
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 3: So I'm basically you can't in a spot where I'll

970
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 3: basically just wait, you know this, this is another part

971
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 3: of our lives, this part of the season. It's just

972
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: it's all draft right now. Then I'll get into the

973
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 3: futures market and then you know it is she had

974
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 3: they released that Week one schedule and I'll dive into that,

975
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 3: but really I need to basically do what Cynthia is

976
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 3: talking about. It's like I need to talk to different scouts,

977
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 3: different guys on coaching staffs, trust and rely on, and

978
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 3: they'll give me the info about what these teams are

979
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,959
Speaker 3: gonna try to adjust for. But that, honestly, brother, won't

980
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 3: be until July August. Like that's really when the good

981
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 3: stuff starts coming out, because these guys have been working

982
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 3: at all winter, just stuck in their homes, on their

983
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 3: couches and just grinding tape. And trying to figure out

984
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 3: how to do it, and then with excitement themselves, they

985
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 3: can't help themselves. They'll leak me the information come July

986
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 3: and August just because they want to be viewed as

987
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 3: the smartest guy in the room. And I'm more than

988
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 3: happy to sit there and not say wording and just

989
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 3: listen and take it all in. So I don't really

990
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 3: have a good answer for it right now, but I

991
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: definitely know that there is gonna be some major adjustments

992
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 3: coming just because we saw for the first time it

993
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 3: feels like ten to fifteen years the rebirth of the

994
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 3: running back. We saw that really change football this season.

995
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 3: And the best teams. I mean, we throw the Chiefs

996
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 3: out because they don't make sense in any way, but

997
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 3: the Ravens.

998
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 2: The Bills, the Eagles, the.

999
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 3: Lions, they all had really amazing run games and that

1000
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 3: would to me was what set them apart from all

1001
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 3: these other teams why they were all so dominant the

1002
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 3: regular season this year. So that's something I really can't

1003
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 3: wait to dive into this offseason, is what was that adjustment?

1004
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 2: Was it simply because of the too high safety? Here?

1005
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 3: Is there more I'm not read into it about why

1006
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 3: the running back has had such a rebirth these last

1007
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 3: couple of years, where this year, I mean, you can't lie.

1008
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 3: It dictated this entire season. Saquan com from the Giants

1009
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 3: to the Eagles changed this entire season. So I really

1010
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 3: cannot wait to dive into it because it's it's crazy

1011
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 3: how the running back has come back such with vengeance

1012
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 3: at this point where I mean it was left for

1013
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 3: dead n even three four years ago. I mean people

1014
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 3: just completely poop poo the running back position. I love

1015
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 3: that it's really back now, So I really can't wait

1016
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 3: to dive into that.

1017
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Speaker 1: code Favorites. Let's do a quick awards section of questions, right,

1039
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: Cynthia on Numbers Game, you just did a huge award ceremony.

1040
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: Can you explain by the way Numbers Game? Go to

1041
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: the website, Go to the YouTube channel. This was on

1042
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: last week. Last week's episode, you gave out some awards.

1043
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 1: Explain the offensive SOS Award and tell our audience who

1044
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: won it.

1045
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 5: Well.

1046
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 4: First of all, I wanted to do awards. I did

1047
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 4: two things with the awards. Number one, I wanted to

1048
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 4: do some awards for people who weren't necessarily you know,

1049
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 4: like there was a lot of questions about who should

1050
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 4: be the MVP. It felt like this big compromise between

1051
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 4: like MVP Offensive Player of the Year and then like,

1052
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 4: well Lamar won it twice, we're just gonna be Like

1053
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 4: I felt like there was some sort of like I

1054
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 4: don't know, like we you with your kids, it's like,

1055
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 4: well you got you got this treat, so now you

1056
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 4: get this like it's your turn this time, and you

1057
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 4: know whatever. So I wanted to try to like do

1058
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 4: it with completely just math. And then I also thought

1059
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 4: that there should be some different awards. For example, I

1060
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 4: thought that there should be an O Line Award. I

1061
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 4: thought that there should be like, you know, Who's helping

1062
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 4: who this SOS Award like save our Ship, Like you know,

1063
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 4: like who who is like really help helping out maybe

1064
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 4: even more than we anticipated them. And brock Bauers, who obviously,

1065
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 4: you know, not only did he set rookie receiving yards records,

1066
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 4: breaking Mike Ditkah's record for yards, but also receptions, breaking

1067
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 4: Puka Nukua's rookie reception right, but but he was if

1068
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 4: you look at if you draw circle so us computer vision,

1069
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 4: I draw circle around like where he was even targeted.

1070
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,959
Speaker 4: The man is like those frisbee dogs, like going back

1071
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 4: to catch balls that he has no business catching. So this,

1072
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 4: you know, he's also like very quiet, very humble, like

1073
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 4: a he's a good kid, Like I'm I'm excited to

1074
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 4: see him going forward. But he had no business even

1075
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 4: catching half of the balls that were thrown his way.

1076
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 4: They were not good passes. I'm not being mean, they

1077
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 4: just weren't. And that was to me. I think that's

1078
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 4: like a really interesting unsung award because every year we

1079
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 4: can always think of a guy who, maybe on a

1080
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 4: different team, really would have had an opportunity to in

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00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 4: his case, maybe rookie of the Rookie Offensive Player of

1082
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 4: the Year, but even even just in general, just one

1083
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 4: of those things, like just something to recognize he really

1084
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 4: the interior line terrible. There was no run game to

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00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 4: speak of. The quarterback position was a little bit of

1086
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 4: a turnstyle. It was not a good situation. And say

1087
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 4: for a few pieces of their defensive front, their defense

1088
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 4: didn't you know, Max Crosby's awesome, but you know, the

1089
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 4: defense didn't really help them out either. So you know,

1090
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 4: Black Bauers made that whole freaking team go. So that

1091
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 4: was I felt like we needed to just give a

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00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 4: guy an award who's not maybe on a playoff team

1093
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 4: or a team that has a lot of staying power

1094
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 4: in the season, but he really helped out even more

1095
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 4: than we expected.

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00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: Well look, he was a totally boler totally phenomenal, totally phenomenal.

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00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 3: I was trying to think of who do we not

1098
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 3: give enough flowers to this season, and I feel like

1099
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 3: she nailed it with the brock Bowers pick like he was.

1100
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 3: He did so much for a team that just give

1101
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 3: you gave back so little. I'm gonna go with our boy,

1102
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 3: Chad Bryce Young, like this kid got benched, he was

1103
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 3: left for dead and was it like a car accident

1104
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 3: and he Dolton like he got his starting job back

1105
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 3: in the weirdest way and he took it and he

1106
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 3: ran with it like they of all the teams. I

1107
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 3: think back this past season, obviously the Bucks beat the Eagles.

1108
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 3: That Panthers team should have beat this Eagles team, and

1109
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 3: that was like no excuse. Eagles had all their starters

1110
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 3: and Bryce Shawn played out of his mind.

1111
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 2: And I know me and you Chad.

1112
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 3: He saved our ass, Like, we love this kid, and

1113
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 3: we looked like fools for about a weeks. He came

1114
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 3: back with vengeance stem the season for us, and I'm

1115
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 3: just happy to be stuck to it.

1116
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 2: So for my guys, it's gotta be Bryce.

1117
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 3: Seawan just totally turn it around and just shows how

1118
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 3: important the mental health is of a player in football.

1119
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 3: Like he had all the tools, he had the skill,

1120
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 3: he just didn't have it mentally and whatever happened just

1121
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 3: watching it from the bench totally reramped his mind and

1122
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 3: he came out there and played like a true leader.

1123
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, Bryce Young will deserves in my mind of

1124
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 3: unward this season.

1125
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 4: A guy got a chance to meet him at the

1126
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 4: super Bowl and we did a panel and it was

1127
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 4: Joe Eisman, him and Kevin O'Connell, and I was like,

1128
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 4: when I'm hosting, Hi'm like, oh, I'm gonna have to.

1129
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 5: Like what am I gonna do to like get him involved?

1130
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 5: Like how am I gonna?

1131
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 4: You know, I wasn't expecting him this Bryce Young on

1132
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 4: it like just so like I was so impressed by

1133
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 4: him and his like just his presence and you know,

1134
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 4: because joke Thaisman's a talker. He's got his bits, you know,

1135
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 4: we're like all the veteran players have. And Bryce was

1136
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 4: just fitting right, like it was awesome. So I he really,

1137
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 4: he really impressed me greatly in person, his knowledge of

1138
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 4: the game, his passion for it. Like I not to

1139
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 4: say I wasn't expecting it, but you know, you get

1140
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 4: some of these young players and they have variable seasons

1141
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:12,919
Speaker 4: and they get a little in their feelings. No, no,

1142
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 4: he was like boom, like he was awesome. I'm such

1143
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 4: a fan.

1144
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 1: Right before you get out of here, Like we started

1145
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: the show, you have put out a mock draft. You're

1146
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: going to the combine. You do this every single year.

1147
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: Let's do mock the mock, praise the mock. Tell us

1148
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 1: the picks and predictions over the years that you should

1149
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: be mocked for and which ones you should be praised for.

1150
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: Start start with the mock.

1151
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 4: Okay, god, there's like a billion number one my model.

1152
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 4: Oh even like last year, last year, I the Jadeen

1153
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 4: Daniels one is one that I will that I will

1154
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 4: stand by because that was a good one. But there

1155
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 4: was about fifty other ones in now and that I'm like,

1156
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 4: these kids are they're like out of the League already.

1157
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 4: So I'm trying to think of my my best mock

1158
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 4: the mock, and I don't want to be mean because

1159
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 4: I always feel like mean saying it. But I there's

1160
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 4: a there is a certain quarterback that, uh.

1161
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,439
Speaker 5: That my model really liked.

1162
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 4: He's a nice person, but he didn't do so great

1163
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 4: for your team.

1164
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: No, but that.

1165
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 5: I love though.

1166
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: The journey.

1167
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 5: I'm talking about Truebisky. I'm not talking about Caleb.

1168
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 4: I'm talking about my model was like in in three times,

1169
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 4: in four times.

1170
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 5: And you know who else? I was in on Justin Fields.

1171
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 4: I you know again, Justin Fields came up early half

1172
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 4: for me, and I feel bad. I feel mean, I'm

1173
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 4: like picking on the Bears, but I still like Justin

1174
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 4: Field's I still like Mitch as humans. Mis Trubisky is

1175
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 4: awesome and Justin like they all are. But you know,

1176
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 4: I it just the mock was a lot higher.

1177
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 5: On them than maybe it should have been.

1178
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: Listen, as I will do three times a year, I'll

1179
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: remind everybody the Bears traded up. They traded up in

1180
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: that draft from three to two. They were so anxious

1181
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: someone was going to take Mitch Trubisky. They traded up

1182
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: to get Mitch True Busky, I got fleet.

1183
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 5: They got a little fleeced there, I think.

1184
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 4: And.

1185
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: Just not even think about Patrick Mahomes. Yep, how can

1186
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: we praise you? All right? So Mitch truebisky that is

1187
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: you deserve your mock for that one. How can we

1188
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: praise you? Before we go?

1189
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 4: Jan Daniels, I had he was my number one and

1190
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 4: over and look, I like, I liked Caleb Williams too,

1191
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 4: just to be clear, like I didn't have him as

1192
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 4: being so vastly different, but my stuff said that he'd

1193
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 4: have a better first season by a lot, mostly because

1194
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 4: of the potential for the running and the throwing on

1195
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 4: the run.

1196
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 5: And it just happened to be right. So that was

1197
00:57:59,360 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 5: we liked.

1198
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: When it works out, we do, we do, and that

1199
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: was a good call, all right. Cynthia frielin to go

1200
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: into the combine for NFL Network. Everyone should watch Slash

1201
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