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Speaker 1: This is a special episode of Crime Stories with Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Finding Chase Masner Episode five. This week marks three

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Speaker 1: years since her son, Chase Massner vanished in Cobb County.

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Speaker 1: Living the last three years with the not knowing and

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Speaker 1: without him, here is pure hell. Chase Massner isn't a

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Speaker 1: Rock War veteran, a husband, a father. His wife told

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Speaker 1: us she dropped him off at a quick trip in

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Speaker 1: Cobb County, where he works. His family says he was

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Speaker 1: last seen at a friend's house in Kennesaw three years

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Speaker 1: ago on March and it's like he vanished from that home,

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Speaker 1: not to be seen or heard from again. If he

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Speaker 1: was able to reach out to any one of us,

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Speaker 1: he would be would. Despite some intense searching, few clues

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Speaker 1: have been found. She tells me that as a mother,

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Speaker 1: in her heart she feels her son Chase is dead.

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Speaker 1: We have absolutely no answer so well, not even the

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Speaker 1: slightest clue in three years. Imagine every night putting your

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Speaker 1: or where is your daughter, and having dreams where the

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Speaker 1: answer is just beyond your reach, And the day's pass,

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Speaker 1: and the weeks pass, and the months pass and still,

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Speaker 1: you don't have your son back, You don't have your

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Speaker 1: daughter back. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories, and

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Speaker 1: this is episode five of Finding Chase Masner. As part

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Speaker 1: of our investigation, we obtained recorded messages from the one

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Speaker 1: person we haven't heard from, and that is Chase's wife, Amanda.

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Speaker 1: We have repeatedly reached out to her to ask her

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Speaker 1: to join us to help us find Chase Masner. So far,

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Speaker 1: no good. Simply say thank you for being our podcast

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Speaker 1: partner to day and making our search for Chase Masner possible,

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Speaker 1: simply safe. I'm so proud they're a partner. You know why.

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Speaker 1: Please take my DVD player, Take my two hundred plus

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Speaker 1: DVDs I've saved over the years since the twins are board.

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Speaker 1: You can have all the Barneys, you can have all

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Speaker 1: the Disney princess take it. I insist you know what,

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Speaker 1: while you're at it, take my TV. You know you

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Speaker 1: can get him at Best Buy for a couple hundred bucks.

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Speaker 1: And my furniture that I still have from law school.

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Speaker 1: I'd be mad if you didn't. But don't break in

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Speaker 1: while my children are here. Don't simply say thank you

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Speaker 1: for being our sponsor. This is episode five Finding Chase Masner,

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Speaker 1: and again we've obtained a recorded conversation um legally recorded

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Speaker 1: on my ad of Amanda Chase, his wife, around the

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Speaker 1: time he goes missing. The first four episodes of Finding

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Speaker 1: Chase Masner have introduced you to Stephanie Kadina, Chase's mother,

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Speaker 1: and Brad Clement, the friend who was the last known

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Speaker 1: person to see Chase before he vanished from Brad's Kennesaw,

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Speaker 1: Georgia home three years ago. The person you've not heard

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Speaker 1: from yet is Amanda Masner. That's Chase's wife. That's unfortunate since,

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Speaker 1: as you've heard, Brad said some pretty bad things about

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Speaker 1: Amanda when he was confronted by Nancy Grace in episodes

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Speaker 1: three and four. But Nancy made it clear that you

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Speaker 1: were only hearing Brad's alibi, an unconfirmed account by a

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Speaker 1: man defending himself from suspicion. We still hold out hope

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Speaker 1: that Amanda will talk to us directly, but until then

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Speaker 1: first weeks after her husband went missing. Crime Stories has

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Speaker 1: obtained phone recordings made by people not connected to law enforcement,

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Speaker 1: we don't believe Amanda knew she was being recorded, one

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Speaker 1: it may directly counter what you've already heard from Brad Clement.

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Speaker 1: This first phone call was taped by a man who

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Speaker 1: known to Amanda as Tim Paul or Tim befriended Amanda

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Speaker 1: soon after Chase's story was posted on missing persons pages

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Speaker 1: Cobb County investigators have these recordings. We've heavily edited this

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Speaker 1: As far as eliminating people, I mean, I can't eliminate Brad.

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Speaker 1: This is what I was told. Chase's drug of choice

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Speaker 1: Masner goes on. It is now reverting to a cold case.

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Speaker 1: But it's not cold to us. The answer is out there,

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Speaker 1: even if sometimes it feels like it's just beyond our fingertips.

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