1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, Sophia Bush here. Welcome to Work in Progress, 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: where I talk to people who inspire me about how 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: they got to where they are and where they think 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: they're still going. Hi everyone, I hope you're staying safe 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: and healthy, and I'm just sending everybody a little extra love. 6 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: This week a is Earth Day, and as we stay 7 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: at home, I'm sure you've all noticed all of the 8 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: news or maybe just looked up and seen bluer skies 9 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: and cleaner air. And I think this serves as a 10 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: reminder that our actions matter, and we can make small 11 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: changes and big changes in our lives that can truly 12 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: help to save the planet. Today's guest is very special 13 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: and I was so excited and honored to talk to him. 14 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 1: It's former Secretary of State John Kerry, who has a 15 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: new initiative called World War Zero, which is a movement 16 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: to achieve net carbon zero emissions, create millions of new 17 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,839 Speaker 1: jobs in the process, and unite people along the way. 18 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: We talked about his time in service, why working to 19 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: end the climate crisis is so crucial, and much more. 20 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: He also touches on the election white paper ballots are 21 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: so important and how we can all help stop voter suppression. 22 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did, 23 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: and that you feel inspired to act as well. Thank 24 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: you for being here. I am so honored to have 25 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: you on the podcast today. I'm a longtime admirer of 26 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: your work and your service, and I really appreciate your time. 27 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: Before we get into the current state of affairs and 28 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: what you're up to, I love to go backwards with guests, 29 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: especially people as impressive as yourself, who you know audiences 30 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: see how working in the world. Where did you grow up? 31 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: I know that you lived all over because your father 32 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: was a foreign service officer. He was my father went 33 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: into the foreign service. He was a lawyer in Washington 34 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: working in the Navy Department. Then he went into the 35 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: State Department, and I suddenly found myself whisked out of school. 36 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: Then where the hell I was going? Wound up in 37 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: Switzerland at a school being dropped off when my dad 38 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: went off to Berlin. And this is in the kind 39 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 1: of cold Board nineteen fifty four around that it was 40 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: a great adventure. I didn't love every minute of it 41 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: and then as much as now, but I learned a lot. 42 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: I learned a lot about other countries. I learned about war. 43 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: I learned about how complicated life can be for people 44 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: in certain places, particularly in the math of the war. 45 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: Uh And so it was a great education. I'm very 46 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: grateful for it. When you talk about that the things 47 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: that you learned, were you gleaning a lot of that 48 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: information from the conversations you'd have with your father when 49 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: he was home, or was it really more what you 50 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: were learning out in your experience in the parts of 51 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: the world. It was really both, you know, it was 52 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: really both. Our dinner conversations tended to be about something 53 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: that was happening, you know, around us in the world, 54 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: probably more serious than some places. On the other hand, 55 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,839 Speaker 1: I picked up a lot because I just went out 56 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: and soaked it in. And you know, I used to 57 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: ride my bike all around the city. In fact, I 58 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: once rode into the East sector, you know, found it 59 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: to be grizzly and scary and raced out and my 60 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: dad and for me, I could have been an international 61 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: incident if I you know, it was really weird. But 62 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: I learned a lot. I learned a lot. It was fun. Wow. 63 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: So did you know from an early age, given the 64 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: way that you grew up, that your path would be 65 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: one of service. No, not completely. I think when I 66 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: was in high school, that's when President Kennedy ran and 67 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: as a kid from Massachusetts, you know, that's all we 68 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: heard about and new it was exciting. And I then 69 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,799 Speaker 1: went to college, right, I guess two years I began 70 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: college two years into his presidency. It was exciting and 71 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: that's what I felt challenged. That's when I was sort 72 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: of called the public service in a sense. And I 73 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: think while I was an undergraduate, I did have a 74 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: sense of certain possibility. I wasn't committed to being a 75 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: politician at all, but I thought I might be in 76 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: the fim service like my dad, or I might be 77 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: a writer h for journalists so to follow the events 78 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: or interpret the events. But I knew I was attracted 79 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: to what was happening in the world around me, and 80 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: I wanted to have some impact on it. Somehow. I 81 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: love that. I I wound up studying journalism and university 82 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: as well, and I think it was really I think 83 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: it really has informed everything about my life, whether it's 84 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: you know, political service, activism, even the way that I, 85 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: you know, I make projects in the entertainment sphere. It 86 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: really shifts a lot that's it. Where where where did 87 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: you go to journalism? I went to Annaburg at USC 88 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: Oh cool. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, it was really neat. 89 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: I actually got to have my favorite professor from college 90 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: on the podcast last year and it was so much fun. Wow, 91 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: that's a great there's a there's a twist of the journey. 92 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: So what was the path then for you? You know, 93 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: high school in Boston, you see you see Kennedy get elected, 94 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: and I do imagine there is a bit of that. 95 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: If you see it, you realize you can be it. 96 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: You think this is a hometown kid like me. What 97 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: does that look like? So so then what happens when 98 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: you decide to go to college and and you wind 99 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: up in the Navy. What's what's the sort of path 100 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: there for you? Well? I didn't go to the high 101 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: school in Boston. I went I went to a boarding 102 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: school up in Hampshire because my parents were in at 103 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: that period. They'd moved from Berlin to Norway, so they 104 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: were in another part of the world. But but they 105 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: thought I should be at school in the States, so 106 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: I went. I went to college in nineteen sixty two, 107 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: matriculated as a freshman, and that was the beginning of 108 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: the years of activism. I mean we were. We were 109 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: all really impacted on the civil rights pool and the 110 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: anti war movement began partly about nineteen sixty seven, the 111 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: year after I left college. I had already signed up 112 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,799 Speaker 1: to go into the military, and I did that because 113 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: I felt an obligation to serve. I think our you know, 114 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: most of us were. I was a son of a 115 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: of the greatest generation parents, and the service was something 116 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: they taught all of us in our family. We grew 117 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: up with that sense of responsibility. If you're if you 118 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: know you've given a lot in life, you owe something 119 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: back for it. So I knew I I should serve, 120 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: and I went into the Navy. Sir came back from 121 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: Vietnam very opposed to the war. I was very opposed 122 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: to it because of what I had seen and learned 123 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: about the deception of our own government about what we 124 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: were doing and why we were doing it, and how 125 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: we were doing it. And at that point also I 126 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: became involved when I first came back from Vietnam in 127 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: Earth Day and we all organized around the country, inspired 128 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: by Senator gay Lord Nelson, whose idea it was, and 129 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: a young activist who was helping to put it together, 130 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: who did it for him named Dennis Hayes, who now 131 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: fifty years later is still still at the Helm the 132 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: Earth Day Network and still fighting to the environment. And 133 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: so we all organized for that first day April twenty 134 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: million Americans came out of their homes and that one 135 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: day and made a statement about wanting better air quality, 136 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: wanting cleaner water, not wanting to live next to the 137 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: toxic waste site, not wanting to be you know, having 138 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: their kids during something that made the mill or killed them. 139 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: And so it was a profound, very big movement for 140 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: that time, and it carried into the election. Actually, in 141 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: that election, we targeted the twelve worst votes in the 142 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: United States Congress. They were labeled the Dirty dozen, and 143 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: the environmental groups advertised and worked at it, and people 144 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: organized and guess what, seven of the twelve were defeated. 145 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: And when that happened, it unleashed a torrent of environmental legislation. 146 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: That's when the Clean Air Act was passed, and the 147 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: Safe drinking Water in the Marine Mammal Protection and the 148 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: coastal's own management and the Endangered species and the Environmental 149 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: Protection Agency of the United States was actually created Richard 150 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: Dixon Republicans signed it into law. So it was a 151 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: heady time for accomplishment and getting things done, and unfortunately 152 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: we've got backwards in the last years, many of those 153 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: things being undone step by step by a combination of 154 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: ignorance and ideology, and you know, a kind of outlook 155 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: that's very hard to explain by any reasonable standard. Truly, 156 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: it's it's shocking to me watching the news every day 157 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: and looking obviously with what's happening presently with COVID and 158 00:09:55,320 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: its ties to the environment, it's astonishing. But even or 159 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: to the outbreak of the pandemic, to watch the rollback 160 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: of legislation, to watch, you know, President Trump signing into 161 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: law permissions for companies to dump toxic wastes into our rivers, 162 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: I'm honestly, is that amazing. I mean, I mean, you 163 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: don't want that to happen. How bizarre. It's just so shocked, 164 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: I know, so shocking, you know, But I mean, where 165 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: is the constituency for that? You know what it is 166 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: not not average citizens. People don't want more junk in 167 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: the air, they don't want pollution, but the companies that 168 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: are producing it want less expensive day to day life, 169 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: and and so they it's crazy that we're doing that. 170 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: It seems to me as well that it's got to 171 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: be a lot of those companies who stand to benefit 172 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: financially from being big polluters, who've who have gotten behind 173 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: this messaging about, you know, climate change being a hoax 174 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: or whatever other nonsense we hear, when to your point, 175 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: we're all equally affected, regardless of our ideologies or how 176 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: we vote. We're all affected by the environment. We're all 177 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: affected by the water. And that's always seemed so obvious 178 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: to me. I think because I had the good fortune 179 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: to grow up in southern California, and you know, my 180 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: my saturdays were spent in the woods or in the ocean, 181 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: not not in indoors. And so the environment for us 182 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: here has always been such a point of both passion 183 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: and and to your point, something that I think so 184 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: many citizens in my state feel like they have to steward. 185 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: We feel like we have a real responsibility to it. 186 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: I I hate to skip over your career, but in 187 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: a way we've wound up exactly here talking about present 188 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: climate change. And and because you are an expert, I 189 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: would love to discuss with you how it does tie 190 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: into COVID because much like we've seen the right calling 191 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: climate change of hoax for for weeks even months. Really, 192 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: now that we understand that the president was briefed in November, 193 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: and we know that through February he was calling COVID 194 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: a hoax, claiming it was created by the Democrats to 195 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: you know, upset his election, which is wild, the egotistical thing, 196 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: in my opinion, to say about a global pandemic. And 197 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: now we see that the US is leading the global 198 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: coronavirus death toll, and we see that in areas in 199 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: our country where people suffer environmental impacts, the impacts of 200 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: COVID are higher. So, with all of your wisdom and expertise, 201 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: how are you assessing this in your estimation? What do 202 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: we need to do to slow the curve? What what 203 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: measures do we need to enact or or perhaps bring 204 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: back to slow this down or ensure it doesn't happen again. Well, 205 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: let me say first of all that sadly there are 206 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: already people challenging the models by which it was predicted 207 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: that a hundred thousand or two d people might die. 208 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 1: And now you hear some people on the political right saying, 209 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it's only sixty it's only sixty fifty whatever, 210 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: Why are we stopping the economy of our country to us, 211 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: et cetera. You already hear those questions, and we're going 212 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: to have a debate. I can tell by people who 213 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: are going to challenge this and try to link at 214 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: the climate change you watch, they will come along and say, 215 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: just as they underestimated COVID, they're underestimating this, and we 216 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: don't know where we are with COVID. That's what's so 217 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: ironic about this early initiative to try to undermine we're 218 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: doing okay in this country. But nobody should stand up 219 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: and a plug what's happened to the United States of 220 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: America and number one in deaths in the world. Almost 221 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: thirty people have now and nobody should be comparing that. 222 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't have to go through that if 223 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: we hadn't spent seventy days sitting around while the federal 224 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: government decided we're you know, we're not gonna take it 225 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: that seriously, We'll be all right, We're fine, blah blah blah. 226 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: And the result is we we we have had to 227 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: take more extreme measures to shut down and and so 228 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: other countries have done much better than the United States 229 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: of America and controlling this that's just a reality. Other 230 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: countries clearly have had far less less percentage, and they 231 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: shut down sooner, and they took steps earlier. So the 232 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: linkage to climate change is very, very real. Listen to 233 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: the scientists, take note of the facts, you know, don't 234 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: create your own truth, don't wish something away like this, 235 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: and and so that's one linkage to between climate and COVID. 236 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: Another one is that as climate change change, as the 237 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: crisis grows, and it is growing, as you see more 238 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: areas become uninhabitable, as water is reduced in its quantity 239 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: to certain locations, as you lose the habitability, as you 240 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: have disruptions in the food service train and so forth, 241 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: people are going to move. I mean last year in Pakistan, 242 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: there was a city where it was a hundred and 243 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: twenty five degrees fahrenheit during the day and people were 244 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: dying of that heat. That was the result. Now as 245 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: we go forward, there will be many many more places 246 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: where that becomes the norm, and people are either going 247 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: to die or move. And as they see people dying, 248 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: they're gonna move. So you're gonna have climate refugees. How 249 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: are you going to manage those refugees. Already we see 250 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: massive changes in what will grow, where it will grow, 251 00:15:55,880 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: when it will grow. The seasons are changing. Every person 252 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: in there, you know, in their right senses, can observe that. 253 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: On a daily basis. You see those changes are storms 254 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: are more intensive, we have greater amounts of rainfall, where 255 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: we more floods. What we used to be a five 256 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: hundred year flood once in five hundred years now happens 257 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: once every x number of years, fewer years. Uh. You know, 258 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: this last year was the hottest year in recorded history 259 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: and had the hottest January. This last January hottest January 260 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: and recorded history. We had the hottest day during that 261 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: January recorded history. We had a sixty five and seventy 262 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: degree day in Antarctica. I mean, it's just staggering what's 263 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: already happening. And the scientists are now seeing very significant 264 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: instability in the ice sheet of West Antarctica, and they're 265 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: seeing it in the Arctic where you have massive melting 266 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: on a daily basis of the Arctic ice sheet. This 267 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: has serious consequences on fisheries, It has serious consequences on 268 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: the salinity of the ocean, of the chemistry of the ocean. 269 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: So I'm told by scientists that we are changing the 270 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: chemistry of the ocean faster today than we have at 271 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: any time in fifty million years. How do they know 272 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: fifty million years? Because geology, ice scores, a whole bunch 273 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: of different scientific inputs allow you to measure what was happening. 274 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: We even know what the carbon dioxide levels were at 275 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: various periods of history. Yes, And that's part of what 276 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: fascinates me is that out in the world there's been 277 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: such aggressive pushes in these disinformation campaigns that science can 278 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: be doubted at all. My my argument anytime I go 279 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: out and talk about this, and I have the privilege 280 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: of speaking to a lot of young people and a 281 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: lot of universities and schools, and I always say, listen, 282 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: I don't really care how you feel about this. You've 283 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: got to think about the math. Two plus two will 284 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: always equal four. When we're talking about carbon dating, that's science. 285 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: When we're talking about air quality, that's science. These things 286 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: are not up for debate. And and I think it's 287 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: been hopefully a wake up call not to say by 288 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: any measure that the planet at large scale is healing 289 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: right now. But the fact that in one month of 290 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: a shutdown, Los Angeles now has the cleanest air in 291 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: the world is a sign that we are truly causing 292 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,719 Speaker 1: so much damage daily. You know, look at look at 293 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: what would be happening if we changed our commuting habits 294 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: and are working habits and traveled a bit less. And 295 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: and I think, my my my hope is that the 296 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: silver lining of this immense disaster is that we will 297 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: see that our impact really is measurable. That is that 298 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: is my hope. And and I think because in so 299 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: many ways we don't often see to your point when 300 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: we talk about the acidity of the ocean, when we 301 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: talk about the health of the ocean, the bleaching and 302 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: die off of these coral reefs that truly keep us alive, 303 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: the ocean are that's the planet's lungs right there. People 304 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: don't percent of our oxygen, I'm sure of our oxygen 305 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: comes from the ocean. So we clog them up or 306 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: change that chemistrate, you could really changing things in a 307 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: very dramatic and negative way. So how do you, in 308 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: the work that you do, how do you try to 309 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: make this stuff which could feel high concept or or 310 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: hard to quantify for people. How do you bring it 311 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: to the forefront in a way that feels degustible and 312 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: that and that helps people understand that we each really 313 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: have not only a responsibility but a timeline. Here. Well, 314 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: I think the best we can do so here and 315 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: my judgment is, um, you know, tell the facts, be 316 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: truthful about exactly what it is that is that is 317 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: taking place. But also you know, it's not a doomsday scenario. 318 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: We've got to make that clear to people. I'm not 319 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: sitting here saying, Hey, we're locked into some terrible thing 320 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: that's inevitably going to happen in the world's gonna end. 321 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying we have a 322 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: certain less set of choices based on facts that we 323 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: need to make. And if we make them, if we 324 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: in fact do the things that are available to us, 325 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: guess what, it's a win win win. I mean, we 326 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: get better health less. I mean, let me give you 327 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: an example. The biggest cause of children being hospitalized in 328 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: the United States of America every summer is environmentally induced 329 00:20:54,920 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: asthma that comes from air quality. Air quality, Where's that 330 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: come from? This junk We're putting up. It's called pollution, 331 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: and pollution goes up into the atmosphere and it gets 332 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 1: stuck there, and that's what traps the heat. That's why 333 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: the Earth is warming. And so if there's less of 334 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: that pollution. Now, some of that pollution are actually minuscule 335 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: micro particles, and we measure the particles. We have the 336 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: ability to measure particles in in in the air, and 337 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: and and so the scientists tell us the most we 338 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: want to have of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere is 339 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty parts per million, and that's a measurement, 340 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: and we make it so we know how to hold 341 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: it down. Well, guess what we have places on the 342 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: planet where it goes over a thousand parts per million, 343 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: where it's at seven hundred parts per million day Beijing, 344 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: on any given summer day, Certain cities and certain parts 345 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: of the world are so polluted that that that's and 346 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: their particulatescen air, and those particulates you I we breathe 347 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: them in our lungs weren't meant to have those particulates. 348 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: So you get reactions in your body to the very 349 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: air you're breathing. And for some people it becomes carcinogenic, 350 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: it becomes a cancer as a result. So you know, 351 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: they're all kinds of I mean, arsenic mercury, different natural 352 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: ingredients in the earth, etcetera. Can make you really, really sick. 353 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: And and and uh so I think as we tell people, 354 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: as we show people the realities of these things, we 355 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: can choose to reduce those particulates. And if we did 356 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: well at less kids hospitalized, we will not spend guess 357 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: how much we spend a year now on environmentally induced 358 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: asthma hospitalization of American's children billion a year, fifty billion 359 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: a year. And so when somebody, you know, one of 360 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: these folks, it turns out, well, I we don't want 361 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: to do that deal with Climate's gonna cost me money. 362 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? It costs you far more money 363 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: now and will cost you far more money to try 364 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: to mitigate the damages that will come from sea level rise, 365 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: from increased pollution, from loss of fisheries, from all the 366 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: negative impacts that come from climate, from the climate crisis. 367 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: And I think that's such an important point, And thank 368 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: you for bringing it up. When I you know, I 369 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: I was so fortunate to work with President Obama and 370 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: some of his healthcare initiative work, and to really look 371 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: at the data and understand, to your point, what it 372 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: cost us to care for people that we're making very sick, 373 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: rather than to spend the money up front and keep 374 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: people well, keep people in doctors offices, make sure that 375 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: people don't get chronically ill before they get treated. It 376 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: is such an incredible not only moral responsibility, but fiscal 377 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: savings to do things right on the front end. So 378 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: when we when we talk about companies corporations spending more 379 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: to properly process their waste, that's still going to save 380 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: us all money in the end. And and that's what 381 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: makes me so excited about what you're working on, this 382 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: incredible initiative that you've launched World War zero. And when 383 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: I was researching it, the thing that I love so 384 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: much is you you say, you're talking about the economic 385 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: benefits of mobilizing for a net for a net zero 386 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: carbon economy, you're talking about the national security implications of inaction, 387 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: and you're talking about health and pollution, something that affects 388 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: every family across the country. And I thought, there it is, 389 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: those are the points that no matter where we're from, 390 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: how we were raised, we can all agree we want 391 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: a healthy economy, we want excellent national security, and we 392 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: want to make sure that people have access to great 393 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: health because of a lack of pollution. Those should be 394 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: universal beliefs. So it honestly talking to you about it, 395 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: I'm buzzing. I feel like I've just had an espresso 396 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: shot or something. Can you can you talk to us 397 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: about how how this came to be, How did you 398 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: convene this group of people, and what would you say 399 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: makes World War zero different from other initiatives people have 400 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: tried to launch, Well, the other the second part of 401 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: your question, you know, why do you have these other people? 402 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: It is really key to what I was trying to 403 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: accomplish with this, which is very simple. That we were 404 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: just going around in circles in this debate and people 405 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: would simplistically say, well, what do I care about the 406 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: ice melting in Greenland? Or why did the polar bears matter? 407 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: Or whatever? And that was the brand. It seems to 408 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: me that we've needed to really change the dialogue more. 409 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: That's not you know, that's not what it's all about. 410 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: Those are those are those are parts of it, and 411 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: there are things to care about, but the main thing 412 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: to care about is you're you're you know, the security 413 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: of the planet, security of our country, which is why. 414 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: And also jobs, I mean they're better jobs and more 415 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: jobs to be created in moving our country and the 416 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: world to the new energy policy. Why new energy policy, 417 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: because energy policy is the solution to the climate crisis. 418 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: Climate crisis is here because we burn fossil fuels coal, gas, 419 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: oil sends up. It's a dirty field. Those are dirty 420 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: fields that there's just no way about it. Gas is 421 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: less dirty than oil, which is less dirty than coal. 422 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: Gas is about less CEO two than burning of coal, 423 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: but coal is still the dirtiest fuel on the planet. 424 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: And now solar is completely more competitive than coal price wise, 425 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: it's cheaper to do solar than it is to do cold. 426 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: So the solution to climate crisis is stopped polluting. Stop 427 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: putting this warming blanket over the in the atmosphere that 428 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 1: traps the heat into the earth like a greenhouse, which 429 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: is why it's called the greenhouse effect, begin to shift 430 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: away to clean, sustainable, renewable fuels. The sun powers us 431 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: every hour more power than we need. We don't harness 432 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 1: that power. But but if we are now harnessing it 433 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: and starting to we have the ability to be able 434 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: to provide a clean alternative. Same thing with hydro, same 435 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: thing with wind turbans. And we could put many more 436 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: wind turbans offshore. We could put them in various you know, 437 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: I was in Iowa recently trying the campaign and massive, 438 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: you know, wonderful wind turbans. The farmers lease the land 439 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: for the turban to actually get income from the from 440 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: the wind as clean. Uh. So we we we need 441 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: to implement better policy of the national basis and lead 442 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: the world in transitioning away from fossil fuels. Very simple. 443 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: We need to do it over a period of time, 444 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: and it seems to me to be such a hopeful opportunity, 445 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: especially when you talk about fossil fuel industries, the the 446 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: backbreaking work that so many American workers have to do, 447 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: whether it's in coal mining or on oil rigs. These 448 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: are dangerous jobs, and I I feel so hopeful about 449 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: the idea that we could not only transition those people 450 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: into safer jobs with solar and the kinds of renewable 451 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: energies you're talking about, but provide incredible education to people 452 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: who deserve it, you know, become an engineer, become become 453 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: a scientist. You know, are our men and women across 454 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: the country deserve the opportunities to not only have jobs, 455 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: but have the best jobs and the safest jobs, and 456 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: jobs that will be fulfilling both you know, monetarily and intellectually. 457 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: And and I I feel like being able to have 458 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: conversations like this across so many lines. You know, You've 459 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: you've convened a group of people for this that come 460 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: from all different sorts of backgrounds, And I think that 461 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: that's really exciting as well as to to build a 462 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: real unified coalition, I think can remind people out there 463 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: that we really are so much more alike than different. 464 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: Can I can I ask where the where did the 465 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: name come from? Why? Why? World War Zero? Well, we 466 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: we fought over the name for quite a period of time. Actually, 467 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,239 Speaker 1: I have started with the name no Planet B and 468 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: then we we you know, somebody suggested me we really 469 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: needed to do some deep, big, deep dive research on 470 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: branding and so forth naming something. So a great terrific 471 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: fellow who works at Lipcott Advertising Agency, guy named John Marshall, 472 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: helped us convene a group of people who put a 473 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: lot of effort into helping to design and you know, 474 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: there's a consortium about twenty five different advertising agencies that 475 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: had come together to work on this on climate and 476 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: they were very helpful with us. And the name came 477 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: through that process. And we must have come through the 478 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: six or seven hundred different names everything. You know, we 479 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: are in the future and what I mean same it 480 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: And we landed on this because it really depicts it. 481 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: It's edgy, and it depicts what we have to do. 482 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: We have to get the world has to be involved. 483 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: The war is not just what we need to do, 484 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: but it's also the war that was started by people 485 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: who who declared war on science, people who have literally 486 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: thrown facts out the window. They don't want to deal 487 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: with fact, they don't want to do. That's declaring war 488 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: on reason. We're on war on evidence, war on science itself. 489 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: And so we felt that the only way to convey 490 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: the urgency was to embrace that concept of getting on 491 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: a war footing and finally, zero world war zero zero 492 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: is our target by to have an economy globally that 493 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: is net zero emissions. And when I say net zero emissions, 494 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: that allows you if you have offsets, if you if 495 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,239 Speaker 1: you can have a certain budget for carbon and that 496 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're getting rid of it in every respect whatsoever, 497 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: but it means you are netting out at zero because 498 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: you have the ability to take it out of the atmosphere, 499 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: because you're containing it, or whatever the reason. And and 500 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: so world War zero is the is the challenge of 501 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: our lifetimes. It is, and the younger generation knows this. 502 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: Young people are the ones who are out there doing 503 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: climate strike. They're they're organizing, they're engaged in major efforts 504 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: to hold politicians accountable. And I think that's spectacular. I 505 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: think the young people are really calling people to account 506 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: here and they're trying to create a political structure, and 507 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: it is accountable. It's very exciting. There's one thing in 508 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: the in those initial bullet points in which the organization 509 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: talks about what it's really getting into when we speak 510 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: about the national security implications of an action. I would 511 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: like to touch on that with you, because I think 512 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: in the public people are really seeing what in action 513 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: looks like as it's framed by COVID nineteen. They understand 514 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: that the many Americans did not have to die, and 515 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, were well over thirty on the day 516 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: that you and I are speaking, that's between five and 517 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: six times as many people as we lost on nine eleven. 518 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: This is, in my estimation as a citizen, an immense 519 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: dereliction of duty by the ruling powers in our country. 520 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: They've they've left us exposed and unsafe, and in action 521 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: quite literally costs human lives. So I feel like that's 522 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: blaringly obvious right now. I'm curious about when we discuss 523 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: it in terms of climate change, and we talk about 524 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: what the implications of inaction on climate are, how does 525 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: national security fit into that conversation. Well, if you believe, 526 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you can't be half pregnant. You 527 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: can't say that you believe the scientists, but you're not 528 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: going to believe what the scientists are telling you it's 529 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: going to happen. And and the predictions of what going 530 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: to happen utterly catastrophic means the end of life on 531 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: Earth over a period of time. If we don't do anything, 532 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: we we lose the ability to be able to live 533 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: as we have lived and grow products. And and and 534 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 1: why is that? Because if you heat up, we're currently 535 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: heading we're right now, let me be specific. Right now, 536 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: we're at about one degree of warming a little bit 537 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: more one one two, so, and that's one or one 538 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: point to Cellulus Celsius correct celsis so Celsius correct Celsius. 539 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: So it's what you know we're we're heading. The scientists 540 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: have told us that to preserve the capacity for life 541 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: as we have known it on Earth, to live with 542 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 1: what our expectations are about the weather and growing crops 543 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 1: and living the seasons that we live, you want to 544 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: hold the Earth's temperature in east to about two degrees 545 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: centigrade and hopefully one point five. One point five was 546 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: the aspirational target that came out of the Paris Agreement, 547 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: which I had the privilege of leading our negotiations in 548 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: Paris on. So one point five. We're now on course 549 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: to blow right through one point five. We don't have 550 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: a chance of holding it to one point five. In fact, 551 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: we probably don't have the ability to hold it to 552 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: two without massive choices in the next very few years. 553 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: And and it's very hard to see how politically some 554 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: of those choices are going to get made. So right now, 555 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: if you did everything that was set out in the 556 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 1: Paris Agreement, because no one's been doing anything yet, and 557 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: we're running behind not anything. I can't say that because 558 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: we're not where we should be in terms of the 559 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: rate of reduction. It's too slow. We are heading towards 560 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: three point seven degrees and the reality is that's only 561 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: if you did what was in Paris. We're not doing 562 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: what was times. Therefore, we're heading to about four point 563 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: one to four and a half degrees warming in this century. 564 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: So that is a that is an earth that is uninhabitable. 565 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: That is where science tells us we are now going. 566 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: So the choice we face is existential. Are we going 567 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: to preserve this planet to be livable to leave it 568 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: to our children the way you know, we were left 569 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: a planet by our parents. There is one that we 570 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: could manage with difficulties, yes, with wars complications, But this 571 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: is bigger than anything that's ever happened in terms of 572 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: its ability to upset the capacity for life and for 573 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 1: plants and for trees and for birds and fish and 574 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: all the things that we need to have be able 575 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: to reproduce. We don't want to muck up that ecosystem, 576 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: and a lot of people are completely disregarding that what 577 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: it means to be an ecosystem. And to your point, 578 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: I think there is a disconnect in our understanding of security, 579 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: be it national or global, the security of being able 580 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 1: to simply exist, to go to work, to be outside, 581 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: to have a family, to have plants, trees, that that 582 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: is not a guarantee for us. And it became incredibly 583 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: apparent to me. I was able to travel with a 584 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: group of climate activists up to the Global Seed Vault 585 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: in small Bard, Norway, and to look at the the 586 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: science behind our greatest attempt to preserve global food chains, 587 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: and to sit with these unbelievable scientists and talk about it. 588 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: I went up there too, I went to sal Bard. 589 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about. It's incredible, incredible, and 590 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: to talk about how tenuous global food systems really are. 591 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,959 Speaker 1: And and what was so shocking to me too, things 592 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 1: was to learn that for every degree of warming we 593 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 1: experience on the planet, we lose percentages of food production 594 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: while our population is increasing. And then to understand that 595 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: as they look at degrees of warming, when areas become unfarmable, 596 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: when agricultural systems collapse, you look at as you referenced 597 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: climate refugees, and we're talking about estimations of between seven 598 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: and twenty million climate refugees. Now, so if we warmed 599 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: by four degrees, we're talking an X factor, which could 600 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: be a hundred and twenty million climate refugees in two years. 601 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: Where are these people going to go? How are we 602 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: going to feed them? That? That is a national and 603 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: global security issue. And and so while I look around 604 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,439 Speaker 1: and I don't feel like there's any adults in the room, uh, 605 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: dealing with our sort of immediate and current issues in 606 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: the country, I'm very relieved that you are one of 607 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: the adults in the room on this global crisis, because 608 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: we do need to take it seriously. We do need 609 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: to ring the five alarm fire, and to your point, 610 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: we do need to understand that we have the ability 611 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: to solve for this within our reach. We should be 612 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: hopeful while being incredibly demanding of change. You're right, I mean, 613 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: you couldn't say it better. I couldn't agree more. That 614 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: is exactly what we have to do, and it requires 615 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: a level of bipartisanship. And that is where I get 616 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 1: curious about some of your background, Secretary carry because you 617 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: know you you served in the Senate for twenty eight years, 618 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: and you had so many friends on both sides of 619 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: the aisle and and there are people from that peer 620 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: group of yours who talk about how you used to 621 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,839 Speaker 1: be in the Senate with sure your convictions, but there 622 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:57,879 Speaker 1: wasn't this all out kind of left side right side war. Well, 623 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: we began to see it from us. For the years 624 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,240 Speaker 1: I was there, it wasn't. But in the it began 625 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: to start, started since with the Gangers Revolution, and then 626 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: it went into the Tea Party and the Fundadim Caucus. 627 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 1: But we began to see a very different Senate with 628 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:20,839 Speaker 1: the you know, from two thousand on. How do you 629 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: think we Because I talked to an awful lot of 630 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: people every day, and and I know so many of 631 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 1: us who haven't been in this sort of upper echelons 632 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,919 Speaker 1: of government are craving a return to buy partisanship, are 633 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:41,800 Speaker 1: craving a return to leadership that prioritizes the people. How 634 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,240 Speaker 1: do we advocate, would you say, having having been behind 635 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:51,240 Speaker 1: all of those closed doors, what can we do myself, listeners, 636 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 1: average citizens, to call for a return to buy partisanship, 637 00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: to call for a prioritization of science rather than political party. 638 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: You know, what do you what do you suggest for us? Well, 639 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: the single most important thing is people have got to 640 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: be active. You've got to engage. Democracy is hard work. 641 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: It doesn't work if citizens don't vote. And in the 642 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: last election, only fifty five point six percent of eligible 643 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,840 Speaker 1: Americans decided to come out and vote. We've got to 644 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,280 Speaker 1: care about our democracy. People have to There's no automatic pilot. 645 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 1: You've got to be engaged. And so I think the 646 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: single most important thing in our nation is for people 647 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 1: to stand up and be engaged in in the political process. 648 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm not saying democrat, Republican, liberal, conservative, but I don't care. 649 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,359 Speaker 1: You've got to take part in it. And you've got 650 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: to have a debate that's based not on some fantasy 651 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 1: ideology of some kind, but on facts and reality. Combine 652 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: science and combine your values and bring them together. Bring 653 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: your faith to the table. But you know a lot 654 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 1: of people aren't living of faith. I hear more stuff 655 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 1: from people about you know, blessed are the meek, and 656 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, you to feed the poor, feed the hungry, 657 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: and clothes the naked and so forth, and they don't 658 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,319 Speaker 1: do any of that. Right, So, I think we've got 659 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: a lot of work to do in regards to you know, 660 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 1: democracy really being an action verb. We we've got to 661 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 1: get out there and and flex it when you look 662 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: at the effects of our current situation with the pandemic 663 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: social and physical distancing, and we see how that's really 664 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,360 Speaker 1: prompting some serious voter suppression. You know, the Trump administration 665 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 1: is trying to defund the US Postal Service because it's 666 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,360 Speaker 1: highly likely that the November election will have to be 667 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: carried out by mail. What do you think? What do 668 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,920 Speaker 1: you think about that? And and and what do you 669 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 1: I guess, just what do you make of it? There's 670 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: only one party in America that works over time to 671 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: try to prevent people from voting, and it's not the 672 00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: Democratic Party. The Democratic Party wants to be the vote, 673 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 1: wants people to be enfranchised, wants every American to be 674 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: able to exercise. They write to vote, and unfortunately, in 675 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: too many states you see purges literally purging of voters, 676 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: and they just throw a lot of names in their 677 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: people there. It's legitimate to take people off and died, 678 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,839 Speaker 1: people who would have moved. But what happens is they 679 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 1: throw a whole bunch of legitimate voters in and throw 680 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,440 Speaker 1: them out, and then people come to polls and they're denied. 681 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,799 Speaker 1: They write to vote. This happened, This happens regularly. There 682 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: are a lot of games that are played restricting the 683 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 1: number of voting machines in the precincts, so people have 684 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 1: longer lines and they can't wait. They do it in 685 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 1: a you know, in the opposing parties, particularly strong precincts 686 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 1: and so forth. We ought to have everybody in this 687 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:49,320 Speaker 1: electronic world where we have secure transfer of your your 688 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: your credit cards, your personal information, all of that has 689 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: kept secure in various places. We have an ability to 690 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: do a transaction where they know who it is, they 691 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,880 Speaker 1: know who's voting. You vote. But more important, I'm for 692 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: paper ballot. I prefer paper ballot. I don't want these 693 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,959 Speaker 1: electron machines where you have to go check it later. 694 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 1: Send the paper ballot in. And people should be able 695 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 1: to vote by mail. Their absolute ways to guarantee the 696 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: sanctity that Donald Trump votes by mail. That's how you voted, 697 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,120 Speaker 1: and that's how every American should have a right to 698 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 1: be able to vote. I agree. Um, So I've got 699 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,319 Speaker 1: one one final question for you, and it is my 700 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: favorite thing to ask everyone who comes and joins us 701 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 1: on the show that the podcast is called work in progress. 702 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,920 Speaker 1: And I'm curious when you when you sit with the phrase, 703 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 1: whether it's something personal or professional, what in your life 704 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 1: feels like a work in progress? Right now? Everything in 705 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,399 Speaker 1: my life that's a work in progress. So what could 706 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:56,799 Speaker 1: I say? One big work in progress? Uh? Look, the 707 00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,359 Speaker 1: topic we've been talking about is the biggest, single work 708 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 1: in progress issue. I've worked on climate change now for 709 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: most of my public life, in one form or another, 710 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 1: and we got to get it done, and I'm determined 711 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,880 Speaker 1: to keep working at it. Absolutely well, if there is 712 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 1: ever anything that I can do to help with the initiative, 713 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: with media, with really any of it, well you can, 714 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,359 Speaker 1: absolutely you can use your social media. You can you 715 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,359 Speaker 1: can tweet something out about it, World War zero, dot com, 716 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: it's Earth Week coming up, Earthday. We've got to let 717 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,239 Speaker 1: people know how important to us to be active and 718 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: this is a place to go and have some impact. Wonderful, 719 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 1: really nice to be with you, so I appreciate it. 720 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 1: On the contrary, thank you for caring and thanks for 721 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,880 Speaker 1: your thanks for doing a podcast, and for being really 722 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 1: deeply engaged on this issue. You obviously know a lot, 723 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 1: You've done your homework, you've traveled to smile by, Take care, 724 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,319 Speaker 1: God bless thank you all. Right bye bye now, thank 725 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 1: you so much, by bye. This show is executive produced 726 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:11,440 Speaker 1: by me, Sophia Bush, and sim Sarna. Our supervising producer 727 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,319 Speaker 1: is Alison Bresnik. Our associate producer is Kate Linley. This 728 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,920 Speaker 1: episode was edited by Matt Sasaki and our music was 729 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,719 Speaker 1: written by Jack Garrett and produced by Mark Foster. This 730 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,839 Speaker 1: show is brought to you by Krillion anatomis