Speaker 1: What's that at the bed. It's spooky and Joki, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I said.
Speaker 1: By Ross dress Venz police, Hey, boom, it is indeed,
Speaker 1: I rosdres fales Hey. I was just looking through the
Speaker 1: Facebook group ghosted by Rosdres Falaise and I found this
Speaker 1: story that was written by Elizabeth, who writes, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: ready to tell my paranormal experience. I grew up in
Speaker 1: La Now I live in the Midwest. Back in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety three ninety four, my paternal grandfather was entombed in
Speaker 1: the basement level of one of the many malls of
Speaker 1: Williams at Inglewood Cemetery. Ps. I decided that the shower
Speaker 1: studio that I'm recording in right now is called my rosalium. Okay, anyway,
Speaker 1: back to the story. Every two weeks or so, my
Speaker 1: parents would put fresh flowers in the vase or vase
Speaker 1: if your fancy attached to the plaque. It was so
Speaker 1: creepy down there. They had a lobby for urns and
Speaker 1: an elevator to go down the lower level. My mom
Speaker 1: is a very religious Catholic woman. She would say her
Speaker 1: prayers and recite the whole rosary every time she went. Me,
Speaker 1: being a curious ten year old, I would wander around,
Speaker 1: reading the names and looking at the trinkets and some
Speaker 1: pictures people would leave behind.
Speaker 2: As I was.
Speaker 1: Walking down one of the hallways, I noticed a man
Speaker 1: in a suit walking kind of in a brisk way.
Speaker 1: I noticed he was swaying his arms back and forth,
Speaker 1: which I found kind of odd. I found it really
Speaker 1: odd that, to my knowledge, there was no one down there.
Speaker 1: We never saw anyone when when we visited. Me being
Speaker 1: a curious and a naive kid, I followed the man
Speaker 1: made a right turn where he was walking and it
Speaker 1: was a dead end, a freaking wall. Was there no
Speaker 1: way he could have turned around and walked back, only
Speaker 1: if he walked through the wall. Talk about dead end,
Speaker 1: that is true. I was confused. Then I got scared
Speaker 1: and ran back to my parents. I never went back
Speaker 1: after that. Ooh, Elizabeth, that is creepy. A ghost walking
Speaker 1: brisk with their arms going back and forth. Terrifying. Guys,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited about the conversation that I have on
Speaker 1: today's episode. I am joined by Harvey Gien, who you
Speaker 1: may know as Guillermont on what we Do in the Shadows,
Speaker 1: which is a show that is on FX. It's had
Speaker 1: two seasons and I love the show so much. It's
Speaker 1: based on the movie What We Do in the Shadows
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, it's new characters, but I would
Speaker 1: love if you've never seen the movie What We Do
Speaker 1: in the Shadows, you should totally check it out because
Speaker 1: I love it so much. It's funny. It's very mockumentary style,
Speaker 1: and it's about vampires that live in a house together
Speaker 1: as roommates and it's hilarious. So, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know Harvey. I have never met him, but we have
Speaker 1: some mutual friends and I thought I would, you know,
Speaker 1: just hit him up. And I was so honored that
Speaker 1: he got back to me. And I think we had
Speaker 1: a really good time and hopefully we'll become great friends
Speaker 1: once we're all allowed to go out and make friends. So,
Speaker 1: without further ado, Harvey agin on with the show.
Speaker 2: Hello Harvey, how are you, Hiram?
Speaker 1: Congratulations on the Emmy.
Speaker 2: Oh thank you. I'm super excited. We're in really great
Speaker 2: uh you know company, Like there was a great year
Speaker 2: for comedy and I was actually surprised because honestly, there
Speaker 2: was such you know, stiff competition. Then when they announced it,
Speaker 2: I was kind of like whoa, Like I jumped out
Speaker 2: of my seat. I was like, whoa. It was weird
Speaker 2: to see the name of the show on the screen
Speaker 2: when Leslie was announcing him, and she kind of went
Speaker 2: I feel like she was done already because she announced
Speaker 2: Marvels Maso and that won last year. So we're like, oh,
Speaker 2: they always finished with the winner from last year because
Speaker 2: and I think I called it quit. I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: that's it, and then she quickly said, oh, and what
Speaker 2: were doing in the Shadows? And I was like what
Speaker 2: And I was like, huzzah.
Speaker 1: Well, seeing a spooky like a spooky comedy show getting
Speaker 1: nominated for an Emmy unheard of sane, unheard of insane.
Speaker 1: And also as a proud LATINX queer person that dreams
Speaker 1: of being a vampire, I feel very seen by your
Speaker 1: presence on television and thank you for being yet.
Speaker 2: You know what, that's so like, that's really sweet. And
Speaker 2: I had no idea that the importance of that demographic,
Speaker 2: you know, because there isn't a lot of representation when
Speaker 2: it comes to like queer, you know, LATINX in the
Speaker 2: world of goth and darkness and creepiness and all of that,
Speaker 2: which makes no sense because thirty percent of the buying
Speaker 2: you know, power for anything that's creepy and scary and
Speaker 2: thriller movies is Latin people.
Speaker 1: We love that stuff. We love it.
Speaker 2: We live for it. We live for a good urna
Speaker 2: or like a good you know, like a good.
Speaker 1: As did you? So, did you grow up pretty uh,
Speaker 1: you know believing in that kind of stuff?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I feel like you know, there's always like I
Speaker 2: grew up with like superstitions like and and traditions just
Speaker 2: there were kind of a lot of them loosely based
Speaker 2: off religious beliefs. You know, I grew up Catholic, so
Speaker 2: there are certain things that you did, like if you
Speaker 2: drove by a church, you you know, you you crossed
Speaker 2: yourself with like you know, uh Lendon, when you when
Speaker 2: you get on the freeway, you do the same you
Speaker 2: do like a crucifix on your body, like you uh,
Speaker 2: things like that where I never understood it because I
Speaker 2: was like literal and I was like, what are we doing?
Speaker 2: Every time you get on the freeway, you get in
Speaker 2: the freeway, you have to do it to yourself and
Speaker 2: your mom does it to you, which is like a blessing.
Speaker 2: And I always thought, Wow, that's so cool. But then
Speaker 2: I noticed that none of my friends did it. When
Speaker 2: they're in their car going eighty five miles an hour
Speaker 2: and their new you know car that their daddy bought them,
Speaker 2: and I was like, wow, you're going really fast there, Shelley,
Speaker 2: and they're like I was like, gee, that's really fascinat
Speaker 2: you didn't even give them in DC on to yourself.
Speaker 2: She was like, you got to do too that so damn, Shelley.
Speaker 1: So yeah, do you find that because I grew up
Speaker 1: Catholic too, and I feel that because of that it
Speaker 1: I think that that religion, how do I say this?
Speaker 1: It it's got it's got its supernatural tones to it,
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean it's very I believe it's very
Speaker 1: at times, like kind of horror, Like there's there's a
Speaker 1: couple of things that are real spooky that happened in
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church. And I think that it causes you
Speaker 1: to just naturally believe it if you're raised that way.
Speaker 2: Do you feel that? I totally agree. I feel like
Speaker 2: it's a thin line, isn't It's like a thin line
Speaker 2: between I'm religious and Catholic, and I believe in supernatural powers,
Speaker 2: and there's definitely witches and warlocks, and like, it's a
Speaker 2: really thin line because if you believe one, you can
Speaker 2: easily believe the other, which is by saying that, I
Speaker 2: mean like if you believe there's a higher you know, God,
Speaker 2: and like which I always consider myself to be not
Speaker 2: religious but spiritual, which is like something that because I
Speaker 2: grew up Catholic, but I don't practice, you know, still,
Speaker 2: And I was just like, I still feel spiritual, which
Speaker 2: is weird because I was raised Catholic, but I was
Speaker 2: just like, I do believe that there is a greater
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, and there the divine and whatnot,
Speaker 2: and but it's weird to grow up Catholic and think that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it goes hand in hand if you believe in this,
Speaker 2: you believe in the other and then sometimes intertwined, which
Speaker 2: could be scary, which kind of I feel like has
Speaker 2: happened to me a couple of times.
Speaker 1: Ooh, let's hear it. Okay, So what is the first
Speaker 1: paranormal thing that has happened to you?
Speaker 2: The first thing that ever happened that was paranormal to
Speaker 2: me was I was living with well, we were living
Speaker 2: with my aunt and we were in Santa Anna, and
Speaker 2: I was about four or five, and I was in
Speaker 2: my room and we're just leaving there temporarily. I remember why.
Speaker 2: I think we just moved in for like the summer,
Speaker 2: because we're going to move to a different apartment, or
Speaker 2: times were hard, like we were. I was poor, so
Speaker 2: I probably would have just been told that. I was like,
Speaker 2: we're moving apartments in a month, but we just needed
Speaker 2: to move somewhere for the time being. And I was
Speaker 2: living there, and I just the room that I was
Speaker 2: staying and always had this cold, like weird like I'm
Speaker 2: just sensitive to energy, and I've always been that way,
Speaker 2: Like when I meet people, if I meet you right away,
Speaker 2: I can just sense if I'm gonna like you or not,
Speaker 2: or if I can sense that you're a good person,
Speaker 2: which is weird because you can't make that. You can't
Speaker 2: judge a book by its energy, but you can't. And
Speaker 2: I will slow down, Shelley, Shelley, and I just remember
Speaker 2: that in that room, I just always felt that it
Speaker 2: was this cold, like even though it was summertime, I
Speaker 2: need a blanket, and I was just like really cold
Speaker 2: in there. And I was like, with the a season
Speaker 2: even on, we can't afford a see like it's like
Speaker 2: keep the windows, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's why ghosts are the best for the sung
Speaker 1: most are my best friends during the summer.
Speaker 2: They helped me not sweat through my clothes. So I
Speaker 2: was just laying in bed one day and the lights
Speaker 2: were on, and so because I'm a scaredy cat, and
Speaker 2: like the little nightlight, you know, but it glares up
Speaker 2: you can see it reflecting up to where you're looking
Speaker 2: up into the ceiling. And so I was looking at
Speaker 2: the ceiling you can see the light. And then in
Speaker 2: the corner of the room, something started moving and I
Speaker 2: just thought, that's weird. What is that, Like a shadow
Speaker 2: or something, And it was a shadow. But then the
Speaker 2: shadow started crawling towards the center of the room, and
Speaker 2: it had claws and it had two horns, and it
Speaker 2: climbed like it was climbing backwards, but I could visually
Speaker 2: just I could still see it today. It climbed all
Speaker 2: the way to the center of the room, right where
Speaker 2: my bed was, right on top of me, and it
Speaker 2: just moved its head from left to right and right
Speaker 2: to left and kept looking at me. But I couldn't
Speaker 2: see its face. It was a shadow. It was all
Speaker 2: a silhouette. I could see it. I could see that
Speaker 2: it had a tail, and I see that it had claws,
Speaker 2: and I saw that it had horns, and I was like,
Speaker 2: that's that's the motherfucking devil. The devils in my room.
Speaker 2: The devil went down to Harvey's room and looking for
Speaker 2: assault to steal. And I to this day, I was like,
Speaker 2: I remember freezing, like I just froze, and I was
Speaker 2: just like I looked at it and it just it
Speaker 2: was moving, and then I remember, Jess, I passed out.
Speaker 2: I just remember, Yeah, I was so traumatized. I literally
Speaker 2: remember my eyes rolling back to my like sockets. And
Speaker 2: I came to and it was morning.
Speaker 1: I have goosebumps right now. Wait, yeah, was this like
Speaker 1: a sleep paralysis kind of a thing.
Speaker 2: Did you feel like? I don't know. I don't think
Speaker 2: I have to press because none of my past like
Speaker 2: partners or lovers have told me, hey, you have to.
Speaker 2: But I don't think it was that. And then to
Speaker 2: this day, I don't know if it was just my
Speaker 2: imagination playing tricks on me, and then I just fell
Speaker 2: asleep to the idea of that, because I just remember
Speaker 2: the fear. I just I steal when I think about it.
Speaker 2: I remember the fear that I had looking at it
Speaker 2: crawling like it was crawling, you know, upside down backwards.
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell what was front what was back because
Speaker 2: it was a shadow. And so I was like, wait,
Speaker 2: is that in the outside of the house. How could
Speaker 2: it be in the outside of the house that it's
Speaker 2: a shadow and it's inside the shadow is being reflect like.
Speaker 2: It didn't make sense. It just it don't make no sense.
Speaker 2: And I didn't have time to put those pieces together.
Speaker 2: I just passed out, and I remember, you know, when
Speaker 2: I woke up in the morning, I convinced myself like,
Speaker 2: oh that was that was like a dream, right, And
Speaker 2: then I come this off over the years, and then
Speaker 2: looking back, I was like, that wasn't a dream because
Speaker 2: I remember such detail. You know, when you wake up
Speaker 2: from a dream, you're like, well, you wake up in
Speaker 2: the moment. Usually it's the other way around, when you
Speaker 2: have a nightmare, you wake up, you wake up from
Speaker 2: the nightmare. But this way it was opposite. I felt
Speaker 2: if I fell asleep, I fell asleep to a horrible
Speaker 2: visual and then just slept like a baby through the night,
Speaker 2: and then the next morning I woke up. Now looking back,
Speaker 2: I was like, that is so weird and fucked up
Speaker 2: because I dis remember the fear. It was so scary
Speaker 2: that I passed out. I literally just want my eyes.
Speaker 2: I passed out and I came to the next morning
Speaker 2: and it was like nothing. And I remember I did
Speaker 2: not want to sleep in that room again. I did not.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't want to sleep here, Like, well,
Speaker 2: that's the room. I don't want to sleep here. And
Speaker 2: I was like, well it's either that out of the
Speaker 2: living room, like that's okay, And I slept in the
Speaker 2: living room. We were only there for like another maybe
Speaker 2: four days or something, but I didn't want to go
Speaker 2: back in that room. And I just remember it was
Speaker 2: like it was it traumatized me. I was so sensitive
Speaker 2: to that. But also after that, I was just like,
Speaker 2: is it my fault because I'm so sensitive to energy?
Speaker 2: Like I welcomed it, you know, Like did I welcome
Speaker 2: that energy because it's like it can see me, you know,
Speaker 2: which I imagine his voice or its voice. I shouldn't put
Speaker 2: a gender to it, but like its voice sounds like
Speaker 2: that you.
Speaker 1: Know right, well, did you bring it up to your
Speaker 1: aunts or anybody?
Speaker 2: I was too scared. I was too scared to bring
Speaker 2: it up because also I want to be a rude
Speaker 2: guest and say, hey, your house is fucking hunted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that demon in your room. It was
Speaker 1: kind of a little disturbing.
Speaker 2: These are great that my list. By the way, your
Speaker 2: fucking room's ounted. And I'm also like, I'm six, and
Speaker 2: there's this weird like, you know, maybe I don't know
Speaker 2: this is true, but like at least with like you know,
Speaker 2: Latinox culture, Like it's like you when you're a guest
Speaker 2: at someone's house, even if you don't like the food
Speaker 2: or you don't like the accommodations, you do not complain.
Speaker 1: Is that think that like let the demon crawl on you.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be rude.
Speaker 2: But do you feel like that's the same. Do you
Speaker 2: feel like that? Like growing up, do you like if
Speaker 2: you went to your aunt's house or your cousins were visiting,
Speaker 2: like you gave up your bed, Like if your aunts
Speaker 2: and stuff are visiting the house, you gave up your room.
Speaker 2: And it was like it was like the thing, like
Speaker 2: you give up your room, you sleep in the room.
Speaker 2: You have to be a good post. And that's what
Speaker 2: they were doing, basically, you know, complain like you never
Speaker 2: complain about like, oh, I don't eat pork, and it's
Speaker 2: like you do today, you know, and it's like you do.
Speaker 2: You don't complain about the food. You don't. It's like rude.
Speaker 2: I remember my mom, like you learned that lesson really quickly.
Speaker 2: Like I remember we were somewhere and I didn't want
Speaker 2: to eat something that I didn't like, I don't tomatoes
Speaker 2: and I was little, and then like they made this
Speaker 2: like be stick and said, well, yeah, like it's like
Speaker 2: a like a beef you know, stew and I had
Speaker 2: tomato and whatnot in it. And I just remember like
Speaker 2: I was just like I don't want to eat this,
Speaker 2: and I said it like kind of loud, and my
Speaker 2: mom gave me the look of the look. And I'll
Speaker 2: never forget that because never did I make that mistake again.
Speaker 2: I never seen that face on my mom. And I
Speaker 2: was like, Mom, what's wrong are you going to kill
Speaker 2: some Oh my god, that someone's mate, you know. And
Speaker 2: I never made that mistake again, and so I didn't
Speaker 2: complain about it. And so and after that I had
Speaker 2: like similar incidents that would happen again. Like you know,
Speaker 2: I lost my biological father when I was one, uh,
Speaker 2: and I never got to meet him, so like I
Speaker 2: never really saw like you know, pictures and whatnot. Like
Speaker 2: there's a story too, like my mom thought that he
Speaker 2: abandoned us and so basically got rid of all his
Speaker 2: pictures because they elope together to Santa Ana and from
Speaker 2: Mexico and they're like, who cares, We're gonna live our
Speaker 2: lives and we're young and blah blah. And she got
Speaker 2: pregnant with me and then gave birth to me, and
Speaker 2: then like a year into after I was born, my
Speaker 2: dad was like, okay, I want to go back. And
Speaker 2: my brother asked me to be godfather and uh, you
Speaker 2: know in his daughter's baptism and it's like, oh okay.
Speaker 2: He's like, so I'm gonna go do that and then
Speaker 2: come back and yeahda yea da. So then he went
Speaker 2: back to mex went back to Mexico. Yeah, and he
Speaker 2: leaves and he never comes back, like no phone call,
Speaker 2: no nothing. And my mom is a single like a
Speaker 2: single mom with the baby living on her own Santa Anna.
Speaker 2: So she's also like, you know, the toughest woman ever.
Speaker 2: So she's like, fuck that guy, you know, and she's
Speaker 2: like and she gets rid of all his pictures and
Speaker 2: gets rid of all his stuff, and then like another
Speaker 2: year and a half goes by and she gets a
Speaker 2: phone call and the phone calls like, hi, is this
Speaker 2: my Yan's like yeah, and it's like, hey, I just
Speaker 2: thought it was sad that you don't know that your
Speaker 2: your husband's dead. And she was like okay, and she's
Speaker 2: like yeah. So like so he when he went to
Speaker 2: the baptism, there was some kind of altercation and he
Speaker 2: was shot. Oh wow, killed, and she didn't know that,
Speaker 2: and so she got rid of all his pictures, thinking
Speaker 2: that he abandoned as and he had every intent to
Speaker 2: come back, like he was playing to come back. His
Speaker 2: bags were like packed and everything, and he just went
Speaker 2: to the baptism and that day of the baptism, right
Speaker 2: outside the baptism, this incident happened and he was in
Speaker 2: the crossfire and got shot, and no one bothered to
Speaker 2: tell my mom because he had a lope with her,
Speaker 2: So that side of the family didn't think that it like,
Speaker 2: you know, well, she's the one the reason that he
Speaker 2: left that way anyway, so like they didn't even bother
Speaker 2: to call, and my mom felt terrible that she got
Speaker 2: rid all his pictures and all that. So I never
Speaker 2: grew up watching any kind of visual of him. So
Speaker 2: cut to like when I'm like seven years old and
Speaker 2: we're living in a spaia. In the middle of the night,
Speaker 2: I wake up and my door is like right or
Speaker 2: my best friend in front of the doorway to the hallway,
Speaker 2: and the hallway lights always on. Come mom again. I'm
Speaker 2: a very scaredy cats growing up, and so my mom
Speaker 2: always leaves it on and I'm sleeping and I can
Speaker 2: always I mean, like I must be a really light
Speaker 2: sleeper because I can sense if there's a noise, if
Speaker 2: there's a movement, if the light turns off, I can
Speaker 2: just sense it, like I just know that it happens.
Speaker 2: And for some reason, I felt like the light went off.
Speaker 2: I just felt it, like I don't know why. I
Speaker 2: was not deep in the rim, I was just falling
Speaker 2: to sleep, and I just felt that the light turned off.
Speaker 2: I can I could almost hear the click, like, you know,
Speaker 2: and I felt it and I went and I got
Speaker 2: up to that, you know, like I jumped up in
Speaker 2: my bed and I looked up and the light was
Speaker 2: not off. It was on, but there was a man
Speaker 2: silhouette in front of it. Like the light was behind
Speaker 2: them and it was making a silhouette. So all I
Speaker 2: could see was a man at the edge of my
Speaker 2: bed in the silhouette, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: Like I was like, we're being robbed, Like we're being robbed,
Speaker 2: Like I was like, this is a robber. He's gonna
Speaker 2: kill me. Like I was like, and this is just
Speaker 2: little me thinking, Like I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: my mom's either side. He's in between me and my
Speaker 2: mom's room. And I was just like, oh no, I
Speaker 2: can't even run to like all these things are going
Speaker 2: and I'm just looking and trying to see if i
Speaker 2: can find a description just in case I describe this man.
Speaker 2: And I can't find a description. This man has no
Speaker 2: face again, there's like no face on the stand, but
Speaker 2: he has But this time around, it's a human. It's
Speaker 2: not like a horns and hoofs and like claws and
Speaker 2: all that. It is a human. I can see the
Speaker 2: silhouette of a man's body standing at the ditch in
Speaker 2: my bed, and I'm so freaked out. I go under
Speaker 2: my covers, and I think, now, is he like blocking
Speaker 2: the light or can't even see what he looks like.
Speaker 2: I'm like I can't even go and I'm just like
Speaker 2: what is happening? And like I go under the covers
Speaker 2: and then I wait like two seconds and then I
Speaker 2: come out and he's gone, like the man is gone.
Speaker 2: And I was like, he's probably robbing the house. And
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh, and I get out
Speaker 2: of bed. I go to my mom's room. I open
Speaker 2: the door, He's not there. I get scared, so I'm like,
Speaker 2: whould call the police? And I run to the living
Speaker 2: room and I like, nothing's taken, that thing's changed, and
Speaker 2: I was like, wait a minute. I was like, that
Speaker 2: wasn't a robber. Oh wait, Oh my god. I was
Speaker 2: like that was And then for the longest time, I thought,
Speaker 2: was that my dad visiting me? I really thought maybe
Speaker 2: Dad came to visit because I thought it was a
Speaker 2: robber because I never had seen like the silhowetter in
Speaker 2: my life before. So to this day, I'm like, I
Speaker 2: think Dad came to visit and that was like his spirit.
Speaker 1: Oh well, that's sweet. So you never saw anything like
Speaker 1: that again in that house.
Speaker 2: No, So we moved a lot when I was little.
Speaker 2: We moved so much. I would say, I like moved
Speaker 2: every other year because when my mom remarried when she
Speaker 2: when I was six, my dad's construction company moved all
Speaker 2: over like they worked everywhere, so like it was wherever
Speaker 2: they needed to build something, that's where all the you know,
Speaker 2: workers would go. So we moved all over southern California.
Speaker 2: We moved to Las Vegas. In Las Vegas, we lived
Speaker 2: for a year, and I hate eat a Las Vegas
Speaker 2: because it was during the time when I couldn't do
Speaker 2: anything that was fun, you know what I mean. At
Speaker 2: that point, I think it was twelve and you couldn't
Speaker 2: go to the casinos. If your parents wasn't next to
Speaker 2: you can go to Circus Circus, but they had like
Speaker 2: the little kid area. But after you do that, once
Speaker 2: you've seen one clown, you've seen them all.
Speaker 1: You know that story of my life.
Speaker 2: And so like I just hated living there when I
Speaker 2: was at age and it was the desert, so you
Speaker 2: couldn't I was so used to La and being active
Speaker 2: that like being in Las Vegas you can't even go outside.
Speaker 2: You get a heat stroke, you know, like it's just
Speaker 2: it was so bad then. But when we moved back
Speaker 2: to LA that was when we lived in Spires when
Speaker 2: I saw the silhouette, and that was when I saw
Speaker 2: the man silhouette, you know, And that was when I
Speaker 2: was probably seven or eight. And then after that, I
Speaker 2: just like have been really sensitive to energy. And it's
Speaker 2: just when I mean people like and like again, like
Speaker 2: I was always like, you have really good energy, like
Speaker 2: when people are saying that sometimes like oh they're just bs,
Speaker 2: you know, but I knew people I don't know, I
Speaker 2: think that like I'm like that good energy or even
Speaker 2: if I give the benefit of the dam like send
Speaker 2: things off about this energy and then like later on
Speaker 2: it's like, oh got it, they're a killer.
Speaker 1: Do you do you sense that when there's no one there,
Speaker 1: like do you go? I do, say, in a minute,
Speaker 1: I feel, yeah, I feel like in a weird way.
Speaker 2: And like I guess I don't know if it could
Speaker 2: be called it being an mpath or something, but like
Speaker 2: I guess energy is also drawn to energy, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? So like for me, like I just
Speaker 2: I know that there's energy out there. I know that
Speaker 2: we're you know, our bodies are just tangible. We're here
Speaker 2: for a limited time. But where does this energy go?
Speaker 2: You know, like where do we go after this body expires?
Speaker 2: You know, there's still so much like energy in us.
Speaker 2: And do we just evaporate or do we linger? Do
Speaker 2: we like hold on to things? Do we haven't finished business?
Speaker 2: Like I really love that we are energy. We all
Speaker 2: can agree that everyone has a different type of energy.
Speaker 2: And either you die and you're a grumpy old, you
Speaker 2: know guy, or you die happy and you know it's
Speaker 2: like your energy goes or it stays, but it stays
Speaker 2: the way that you you wanted to stay, you know.
Speaker 2: So I was living in this apartment, like was it
Speaker 2: eight years ago? And it was an old apartment was
Speaker 2: built in the twenties in Los Angeles on Wilshire, and
Speaker 2: it used to be a hotel. It was built in
Speaker 2: the twenties, and it was in the area where like
Speaker 2: you know, Clara Bow used to hang out near the
Speaker 2: West Lake Theater, like this area. The Plaza hotel is
Speaker 2: right next to it. So it was the place to
Speaker 2: be in the nineteen twenties, you know, and even up
Speaker 2: to the nineteen fifties, like down the street the you know,
Speaker 2: it was a bit tailor used to hang out like
Speaker 2: the bars and stuff like down there on Wilshire, So
Speaker 2: it has all this old history to it and it's
Speaker 2: old vibe. And so when I looked at the at
Speaker 2: the apartment, I really fell in love with the art
Speaker 2: deco and I was like, this is so cool. And
Speaker 2: I's since meeting into studios and apartment one bedrooms and
Speaker 2: two beds or whatever. And I walked in and I
Speaker 2: walked the apartment and I remember walking and I was like,
Speaker 2: I like it, you know, it feels it feels good.
Speaker 2: But there's definitely like energy in the building, Like there's
Speaker 2: definitely stories here in this building, right, And I just
Speaker 2: remember that my sister hated visiting me. And my sister's
Speaker 2: also really sensitive to energy, even more so than I,
Speaker 2: because after a while you get jaded and you just
Speaker 2: like push that side of you, like I don't want
Speaker 2: to focus on that, you know, I want to focus
Speaker 2: on you know, what I'm doing. But she's really much
Speaker 2: like sensitive to energy, and she didn't like and she
Speaker 2: wouldn't tell me why, And I was like, why don't
Speaker 2: you like coming up? Like so I don't like your apartment.
Speaker 2: I don't like being in your apartment by myself because
Speaker 2: someone's I be like, okay, I'm not going to be home,
Speaker 2: but go ahead and go inside, and like, you know,
Speaker 2: here she has a set of keys to my apartment.
Speaker 2: And she didn't want to do it. She never wanted
Speaker 2: to come to my apartment if she wasn't with me
Speaker 2: or with someone else. And I was like why. She
Speaker 2: goes like, I'm I don't want to scare you, but
Speaker 2: your apartment is as creepy as fuck. And I was
Speaker 2: like why And I was like, how dare you tell
Speaker 2: me the truth to my face? At least have the
Speaker 2: distancy to say behind my back. And I was just like, why,
Speaker 2: what do you talking about? And she goes, and this
Speaker 2: is what creeping out because she goes. I don't like it.
Speaker 2: She goes every time I go, so like, your creepy
Speaker 2: neighbor with that hat is always like, you know, just
Speaker 2: hanging out. And I was like, what are you fu
Speaker 2: are you talking about? It's like your neighbor across the hall.
Speaker 2: And I was like, babe, no one lives across the hall.
Speaker 1: What creepy?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: So she was just seeing somebody with a hat just
Speaker 1: she was hanging.
Speaker 2: Out, watching like one of the original tenants, like I asked,
Speaker 2: like I asked the landlord. I was like, who lives
Speaker 2: And I was like, no, one's lived in an apartment
Speaker 2: and like for at least a year and a half.
Speaker 2: And I was like, and who lived there before? It
Speaker 2: was like all this old gentleman, he's been here for years.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god. And I was like,
Speaker 2: oh god, and I was like yeah. And so my
Speaker 2: sister saw him at least three times, and she she
Speaker 2: said she saw him like in full form, so she
Speaker 2: thought it was a person. And I was like, what
Speaker 2: are you talking about. She was, I don't like it
Speaker 2: because your creepy neighbor across the hall is always there
Speaker 2: when I walk. And I was like, there's no one
Speaker 2: across the hall and he's like she was like, yes,
Speaker 2: there is. There's a guy across the hall. And I
Speaker 2: was like, no, there isn't. And she's like I always see.
Speaker 2: And then I had to like prove it to her,
Speaker 2: and that even freaked her out more and she was
Speaker 2: like that's it. No, no man. She was like, oh, good,
Speaker 2: see this guy with the long trench coat in a
Speaker 2: nineteen forties hat walking down the hall on the.
Speaker 1: Trench coat is never good news, either you're a nineteen
Speaker 1: forties ghost or a flash.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was like, and that's probably why she
Speaker 2: probably took it more as like a I don't know,
Speaker 2: that guy is probably some creep as a flash, you know,
Speaker 2: but really it was probably some guy you know, the
Speaker 2: forty He was young in the forties and then he
Speaker 2: went back to that state in his youth. But like
Speaker 2: he she saw him several times, which is weird because
Speaker 2: then I think, so, is that guy just hanging down
Speaker 2: in the hall but I don't see him because I'm
Speaker 2: not like completely committed to seeing him, or is she
Speaker 2: so sensitive that she picked it up right away? But
Speaker 2: she saw him every time, and when I told her
Speaker 2: that story, she definitely never came back. But also the
Speaker 2: building had a lot of bad energy too. I could
Speaker 2: feel that, you know, you'd walk some pockets of them
Speaker 2: because I'd just like to walk around my building because
Speaker 2: I'm crazy, and you walk around the building and there's
Speaker 2: some corners and pockets that you're like, oh, I was like,
Speaker 2: something happened, you know, something happened here. I'm really sensitive
Speaker 2: to that. And then I had a really bad experience
Speaker 2: there one time, which eventually maybe move from that floor,
Speaker 2: because I was walking to the elevator and I just
Speaker 2: saw this young guy who used to come. His dad
Speaker 2: was divorced and his dad lived in the building and
Speaker 2: he had a corner apartment and I would always see
Speaker 2: him together when he come to visit his dad for
Speaker 2: the weekend or something, because he lived with his mom.
Speaker 2: And I saw the elevator open, and I was gonna
Speaker 2: go because I was raining late and had to get
Speaker 2: in my car and I had to go to meet
Speaker 2: a friend for dinner. And the parking lot for the
Speaker 2: apartments is right next door, and so I was running
Speaker 2: to the elevator. The elevator open, and I saw you,
Speaker 2: the young guy come out, and I was like, oh, hi,
Speaker 2: and he looked very melancholic. He looked very kind of
Speaker 2: like out of it, a little sad at consense, but
Speaker 2: you know, you don't want to start a conversation if
Speaker 2: we don't want to finish it. So I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: how you doing, and he was just like quiet. He
Speaker 2: didn't He like said something under his breathing, like you're
Speaker 2: not even trying to have a conversation. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: well by you know, and like I just pressed to
Speaker 2: go down and he just went. You know, I never
Speaker 2: saw him alone though, because I saw him with his dad,
Speaker 2: which was really weird because I always saw him together.
Speaker 2: They were coming from getting dinner because there was a
Speaker 2: weekend and they always hang out together. And then I
Speaker 2: got down to the first floor and then I walked
Speaker 2: by the mill and like his dad was he's getting
Speaker 2: the mail. So I said, oh, there he is. Howth
Speaker 2: that makes sense? And then I went to get my car,
Speaker 2: got in the car. I pull out of the driveway,
Speaker 2: out of the car and I'm training left on the
Speaker 2: street and then I just you know, drive and then
Speaker 2: I get to the light right in the corner where
Speaker 2: the building is, and I stopped at the red light
Speaker 2: and then I just hear and I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's weird. And then people are honky behind me, and
Speaker 2: I was like, what are they honky? And I was
Speaker 2: like whatever. I was like, can I just drive away
Speaker 2: because I have to go to dinner. Hours later go by.
Speaker 2: I went to dinner, I came back and my whole
Speaker 2: streets roped off and I come back and I was like,
Speaker 2: what's going on? They won't let me in the police
Speaker 2: like you can't come in and I was like, why
Speaker 2: as I live right there, and he was like, oh,
Speaker 2: you have to go through the hare and blah blah.
Speaker 2: So I could go around the block enterm on the side.
Speaker 2: And I asked the guys because in my building, because
Speaker 2: the way that it works, the building, they don't have
Speaker 2: parking for the tenants, so they hire like a parking
Speaker 2: service of la service, and you have to pay extra
Speaker 2: just because otherwise no one will live in that building.
Speaker 2: And so they parked your car for you. And so
Speaker 2: I pulled up to the guys and I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: what happened? So like, oh, yeah, that the dad guy,
Speaker 2: you know, the dads on your floors, like guys like
Speaker 2: his son jumped off the building.
Speaker 1: Oh so you saw him right before?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my god, it was and he was he
Speaker 2: had a mission, like I literally when I got in
Speaker 2: the elevator and I was like, that's where he's not
Speaker 2: with his dad, and he never he went straight to
Speaker 2: the room. And when I got in the car and
Speaker 2: that honking he had fallen on the street right behind
Speaker 2: my car.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is crazy.
Speaker 2: And I and people were honky and they stopped in
Speaker 2: the midt and I was like, what are they honking
Speaker 2: at because I felt it. I felt like a you know,
Speaker 2: and I was like, what the hell was Like? What
Speaker 2: was that? I was like, But it's also a busy street,
Speaker 2: so I was like, somebody must have hit something, a
Speaker 2: car down the street whatever. And then I just I
Speaker 2: was such in a rush mode that I didn't even
Speaker 2: bother and those like. But then I thought, oh my god,
Speaker 2: if I was running twenty seconds later, that would have
Speaker 2: fallen right on my car. That oh my god, was
Speaker 2: fallen on my car because it happened like twenty feet
Speaker 2: behind my car.
Speaker 1: Wow, that is crazy, isn't I'm like, I wasn't sure
Speaker 1: where the story was going, but.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that that building, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like sometimes the building just itself is like bad energy
Speaker 2: or like it has energy that either because guess like
Speaker 2: I know how to deal with like energies like that,
Speaker 2: because I'm like, okay, I'm sensitive to it. But imagine
Speaker 2: if you have to deal with energies, then you're not
Speaker 2: comfortable with it, you know what I mean? Like maybe
Speaker 2: was that out of a factor? Maybe not? Maybe was
Speaker 2: it a factor that you know, this young guy was
Speaker 2: just depressed and you know, and then the worst part
Speaker 2: was that when I parked my car, I bumped into
Speaker 2: his dad again.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: He just came up to me and cried in my hands,
Speaker 2: and I didn't know what to do. And I was like,
Speaker 2: because you know, you know your neighbor, but you don't
Speaker 2: really know that. I mean, like you're not like having
Speaker 2: dinner every night or whatnot, like you say hello and like, yeah,
Speaker 2: poor job. But like he just came up to me
Speaker 2: and cried in my hands, and I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I'm so sorry because everyone knew by that point,
Speaker 2: everyone knew that it was his son that had jumped off,
Speaker 2: and I had just seen him at the mailbox when
Speaker 2: I had just seen his son exit the elevator.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I mean that's the thing with these
Speaker 1: with buildings in Hollywood especially, I mean, they have so
Speaker 1: many stories and so many so much energy just around them.
Speaker 1: I mean, just imagine the decades and decades of who
Speaker 1: knows what happened?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean the city runs unfortunately, like
Speaker 2: I'm broken dreams, you know what I mean, Like so
Speaker 2: many people come into the city to make their dreams
Speaker 2: come true, and unfortunately that doesn't happen. You know, all
Speaker 2: the time and everyone, and so what happens to the dreams?
Speaker 1: You know, like that's where that's where the unfinished business
Speaker 1: side comes into Hollywood, I think with ghosts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like it's crazy, but you're you're absolutely
Speaker 2: right this whole city. I'm surprised we don't have more
Speaker 2: like haunted tours of Los Angeles because you go to
Speaker 2: other cities like another thing that was really creepy. Like again,
Speaker 2: I love I love the whole you know, haunted idea
Speaker 2: because I do believe in it. And like, the creepiest
Speaker 2: place I've ever been in my life, aside from those
Speaker 2: stories and that even those don't take the cake, the
Speaker 2: creepiest place I've ever been is Savannah, Georgia. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: because Savannah, Georgia is voted the most haunted city in
Speaker 2: America and with good reason. Like you step off onto
Speaker 2: any street in Savannah and you just feel this heavy
Speaker 2: heaviness and then you're like, ooh, what is that And
Speaker 2: it's like because the whole city is built on like
Speaker 2: grave sites and like it's basically Savannah was one of
Speaker 2: the first I could totally wrong with those information that
Speaker 2: I was given by the tour guides there and the
Speaker 2: local historians. But it was one of the first, you know,
Speaker 2: spots where you could stop if you were doing an
Speaker 2: over atlantic trip, you know, like if you were coming
Speaker 2: from the South, like going to Louisiana, Savannah was like
Speaker 2: a port that you stopped. And if you go into
Speaker 2: New York, you would stop in Savannah. Savannah was like
Speaker 2: one of the places that you could stop and unfortunately
Speaker 2: dump your dead, Like if someone died on the boat
Speaker 2: on the way over from whether it be Europe or
Speaker 2: you know, Africa or whatever, like, it would literally stop
Speaker 2: there and dump their bodies and they just cover it
Speaker 2: with dirt. Next ship. Dump their bodies, cover with dirt,
Speaker 2: next ship. And so the city is built on just
Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of souls and like it's creepy in
Speaker 2: that way. And if you read, if you've read the
Speaker 2: book or watch the movie Midnight in the Garden of
Speaker 2: Good and Evil, all those places and characters in that
Speaker 2: book are still well maybe not all the characters, but
Speaker 2: the places are very much there. And that place has
Speaker 2: tons of energy, and their tours are amazing because there's
Speaker 2: not one house in that city that doesn't have a story,
Speaker 2: like some kind of horrible tragedy happened. There's one where
Speaker 2: like this little girl was the daughter of the senator
Speaker 2: or something, and she was being you know, disobeying him
Speaker 2: or something. It was summertime, and so to teach her
Speaker 2: a lesson, he like beat her and tied her down
Speaker 2: to a chair and put her in the living room
Speaker 2: in the window facing the setting sun, so it'd be
Speaker 2: like you're gonna stare at hair till dinner, and YadA YadA.
Speaker 2: Well it was so hot and he had beaten her
Speaker 2: so much that the poor little girl died. And no
Speaker 2: charges were filed against this person because he was like
Speaker 2: an official, you know. And and so to this day,
Speaker 2: people swear they see the little girl. And I kid
Speaker 2: you not. During the tour, like I just looked up
Speaker 2: at a window at one of the houses and there
Speaker 2: was a short, bobbed, haircut little girl looking out the window.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, So are you somebody that goes
Speaker 1: on you like to do like ghost tours and if
Speaker 1: you have the opportunity.
Speaker 2: I don't do them all the time, but if I
Speaker 2: get the chance. Especially when I was in Savannah, that
Speaker 2: was like a muss and I was just like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm here and I have to do it, and it's
Speaker 2: the most haunted city and it's voted the most hearted,
Speaker 2: say in America. And it's like I felt it like
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I have to do it. I
Speaker 2: have to do it here because it wasn't I didn't
Speaker 2: feel like it was a ghost tour. It felt like
Speaker 2: it was a history walked through the city, and the
Speaker 2: history itself was haunting, Like it was like not even
Speaker 2: to be scary. It was like in sixteen forty and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god. You know, it's like
Speaker 2: that sounds terrifying.
Speaker 1: And because that's the thing with LA is that we're
Speaker 1: so young compared to you know, baby.
Speaker 2: Like we're total babies. That's what people always like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're just total total Like in comparison, we're like the
Speaker 2: little the baby brother or sister to the rest of
Speaker 2: the nation.
Speaker 1: We're so much dense. Like when it comes to stories,
Speaker 1: and I mean obviously so many, so many people shoved
Speaker 1: into this part of the country, but just so many
Speaker 1: ups and downs and juicy stories in Hollywood over the
Speaker 1: years that could certainly lend their hand to people becoming
Speaker 1: ghosts at some point.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like I feel yeah, just because of again
Speaker 2: the energy and history of the last you know century,
Speaker 2: just because tinsel Town, you know, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: make it come true. And it's like, because how many
Speaker 2: people do even to this day, like we don't even
Speaker 2: have to go one hundred years. You can make a
Speaker 2: story off the last decade. How many people move into
Speaker 2: Los Angeles every day, Like we don't have enough space,
Speaker 2: you know, Like it's like literally every day we just
Speaker 2: have bus loads and planeloads of people, models, actors, dancers,
Speaker 2: you know, musicians, writers, you name it. There's just different
Speaker 2: forms of artists who come to this city to try
Speaker 2: to break it in, you know, break into the business
Speaker 2: or make it big. And that's a lot of people.
Speaker 1: That's the you know, so many die trying, so.
Speaker 2: Many die trying, and it's like and it's like the classic,
Speaker 2: like you know, what's the story? And I forgot the
Speaker 2: actress's name who jumped off Hollywood sign.
Speaker 1: You know, peg and twhistle, Yeah, yes.
Speaker 2: And the fact that like, you know, because of the
Speaker 2: time and like the way that people communicated, there was
Speaker 2: a telegram waiting for her at home that she had
Speaker 2: just been cast in the show, and she didn't get
Speaker 2: the telegram because she had called it quits and had
Speaker 2: you know, over to the Hollywood Sign. I was like
Speaker 2: that shit would never happen. Now you get a text
Speaker 2: and be like you booked it, you know, yes, And
Speaker 2: now so you'd like to think that like because of technology,
Speaker 2: people's lives are being saved literally, like people are at
Speaker 2: their you know, last resort and like andwits and like whatever.
Speaker 2: But like it's just a text and a message that
Speaker 2: could turn things around, you.
Speaker 1: Know, especially when you think about like hotels or apartments.
Speaker 1: There's you know, there's so many of those buildings in
Speaker 1: Hollywood that have like one hundred units in them, and
Speaker 1: just think of all the things that have happened in
Speaker 1: those I mean even like I had an experience at
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Towel Franklin, and that's a place that's pretty
Speaker 1: well known as being haunted. And just like, you know,
Speaker 1: decade after decade of of just the hollywoodness of Hollywood
Speaker 1: happened in that building. And another place I always think
Speaker 1: of is the Cecil Hotel downtown. Do you know that place?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what but.
Speaker 1: That's one where dark stuff has happened decade after decade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like a lot I mean where again,
Speaker 2: the question is where does this energy go? You know,
Speaker 2: you can't capture it. You can't say, you know, move
Speaker 2: along unless you are trying to do that. You know,
Speaker 2: it's just and it's just roaming energy and like it's
Speaker 2: just around us. But it makes a little bit creepier
Speaker 2: when you add the element of a tragic story, you know,
Speaker 2: like when you at the Hollywood Story or like everyone
Speaker 2: has a story in a hotel. You know. One of
Speaker 2: my favorite shows actually and that I got to be
Speaker 2: a part of episode coming up soon is Room four
Speaker 2: on HBO because it's a different story every week in
Speaker 2: the same room of a hotel, and it's so brilliant
Speaker 2: because it I don't know, like every time I go
Speaker 2: into a hotel, especially if it's an older hotel, I
Speaker 2: was like, how many people have gone through these walls?
Speaker 1: Like, you know, like that creeps me out. I do
Speaker 1: that so much. As soon as I get in the room,
Speaker 1: that's always when it occurs to me, oh, this place
Speaker 1: could be haunted, specifically this room. And then I google
Speaker 1: and luckily I've never phound, but I'm waiting for the
Speaker 1: day where I google and it says in room one
Speaker 1: oh six, right where you are somebody died.
Speaker 2: No, no, man, I as much as I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that, Like I rather not, I rather repeat.
Speaker 2: But in one of the odds that you'll find like
Speaker 2: a room that hasn't had some kind of energy, you know,
Speaker 2: like it's like the numbers are not in our favorite
Speaker 2: Like there's just so many people, so many people staying
Speaker 2: in hotels. Accidents happen, whether you know it was.
Speaker 1: On when it might not even be death, you know,
Speaker 1: as many people believe, and I believe this, that people
Speaker 1: can have a fight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the energy lingers. Yeah, I totally believe that. That's
Speaker 2: why sometimes you walk in like, oh, it doesn't have
Speaker 2: a good It doesn't mean someone died there. It just
Speaker 2: means that like someone got divorced here, you know, like
Speaker 2: or somebody you know was dealing with a loss of
Speaker 2: a loss of a parent, or someone lost a child.
Speaker 2: You know, like it's different kinds of energy. But that
Speaker 2: energy is heavy and it lingers. And I feel like
Speaker 2: it doesn't have to always be death, that it could
Speaker 2: be something really tragic, or it could you know, and
Speaker 2: it could just uh it really kind of you can
Speaker 2: absorb it, you know, or osmosis you know, and you're
Speaker 2: like trying to not but it's hard. It's like energy
Speaker 2: does change everything you can when you know, like when
Speaker 2: you're doing like a show or something, you take the
Speaker 2: temperature of the room, you know, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: people are not feeling that, you know, and energy is
Speaker 2: because of energy. It's like if no one, like everyone
Speaker 2: has to be on board or it's not gonna work,
Speaker 2: or at least the majority are, and and some people
Speaker 2: want to make it a downer, then it's going to
Speaker 2: become a downer, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think it's also maybe human nature that
Speaker 1: we we tend to focus on like the negative or
Speaker 1: like you know, we can we really can acknowledge when
Speaker 1: something feels negative. But I think the same can go
Speaker 1: with positive energy as well. I think that there are
Speaker 1: certainly places that you can go where you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's just a good vibe in this room. Years and
Speaker 1: years of just happiness have happened here.
Speaker 2: Apps and I believe that, yeah, one hundred percent. And like, well,
Speaker 2: you look at your like, you know, who do you
Speaker 2: surround yourself with, Like when people say, oh, I don't
Speaker 2: want to go hang out with them, they're always down?
Speaker 2: Is like well, why do you keep hanging out with
Speaker 2: someone who's a downer? You know, because it's like that
Speaker 2: old thing. Show me who your friends are, and I'll
Speaker 2: show you who you are. And like if you surround
Speaker 2: yourself with like energy of like, I don't like just
Speaker 2: always complain. I'm a positive person. I like to be
Speaker 2: around positive energy. And then when like it's I get
Speaker 2: around someone. If if it's a bad situation and you
Speaker 2: can help it, then it's like, oh yeah, let's make
Speaker 2: it better, you know. But if it's a constant, you know,
Speaker 2: dwelling and living in that dark pit of that, then
Speaker 2: that's all okay, Oh I see you want to like
Speaker 2: live there, you know what I mean. And it's like
Speaker 2: you want to live in that energy, then you know,
Speaker 2: by all means do that. But I don't want to
Speaker 2: come and like get in that tar pit of like
Speaker 2: negative energy.
Speaker 1: Well wait, going back to negative energy. I'm still I
Speaker 1: can't stop thinking about the demon that crawled on you
Speaker 1: and Santa. I am, yeah, you believe that that was
Speaker 1: a demon. I believe it was a demon.
Speaker 2: And I don't know why why would it be so detailed?
Speaker 2: And the part of me again is like was I
Speaker 2: I was always like a really you know, a kid
Speaker 2: with a big imagination. Was it something that I imagine?
Speaker 2: But then there was so detailed and it was like
Speaker 2: the night light was on. Like I couldn't even I
Speaker 2: couldn't even justify by saying it was dark in the room,
Speaker 2: you know, like it was like I couldn't even say
Speaker 2: that because it was well lit, because again I was
Speaker 2: a scaredy cat, and I was just like I saw
Speaker 2: it so detailed and a tail that's swung Like it
Speaker 2: was like how why you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know what's so interesting is I I'm thinking of
Speaker 1: maybe three times now that I've heard of a haunted
Speaker 1: place in Santa Ana, California, that is people believe to
Speaker 1: be a demonic or at least dark energy.
Speaker 2: So is there something in Santa Ana, like is a
Speaker 2: portal or something that that demons are like exiting and entering.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it could be.
Speaker 2: But also Santana is very old, you know, like Santana
Speaker 2: has a beautiful courthouse, but it is like that is
Speaker 2: a courthouse built in like the late eighteen hundred or something.
Speaker 2: You know, it was one of the first places to
Speaker 2: like have you know, settlement, to like establish like a
Speaker 2: city and like living and whatnot. So it does have
Speaker 2: a lot of history, Like it's right next to the
Speaker 2: Orange Groves, you know, which was all farmland, but it
Speaker 2: Santa Ana was one of like the up and coming
Speaker 2: cities back in the day.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that there should be demons.
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't, but there must be some kind of
Speaker 2: something in Santa Ana. Like that's so weird. It really,
Speaker 2: Like now intrigues me that you said that, because this
Speaker 2: is the third time you've heard it's specifically a Santa
Speaker 2: Ana like demon story. Then there's something there, Like there's
Speaker 2: definitely something more like is that the hub, Like is
Speaker 2: that with the demons hang out that?
Speaker 1: There was also an episode of Ghost Adventures where they
Speaker 1: went to a place that I also want to say
Speaker 1: is no longer there. I don't quote me on that,
Speaker 1: but it was called the Yost Theater downtown. They had
Speaker 1: some spooky stuff happening there.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't doubt that. Like Main Street and Santa Ana too,
Speaker 2: like it is old Americana feel, you know, and it's
Speaker 2: just something about it, just like creepy and like there's
Speaker 2: a lot of shit that went down, you know, back
Speaker 2: in the old days and and people took the lawn
Speaker 2: into their own hands. And you know, but that could
Speaker 2: be a lot of places. But now that I think
Speaker 2: about it, Santa Ana has probably some rooted, like dark
Speaker 2: stuff that happened in the city. And and you know,
Speaker 2: people try to erase bad memory. Isn't bad history all
Speaker 2: the time because you definitely see it in the textbooks
Speaker 2: and won't be like there won't be a parade at
Speaker 2: things that were done, you know, every year, like they're
Speaker 2: not like but yeah, so that makes me think about
Speaker 2: what happened and what is Is it a hub? Maybe
Speaker 2: it's a hub. Maybe it's like a like hub.
Speaker 1: Do you want to hear some ghost voices?
Speaker 2: Wait? Do you did you hear ghosts? Right now?
Speaker 1: I probably should have worn you. We play a game
Speaker 1: where I play ghost voices for my guests.
Speaker 2: Oh god, no, no, no, I know that. But I that
Speaker 2: you said, do I hear some ghost Like? Are you
Speaker 2: having a moment? When you?
Speaker 1: Did you hear that?
Speaker 2: That's you men, not the game.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's time for it. Ev h ev plase Do
Speaker 1: you know what EVP is? Electic voice phenomena? Okay, so
Speaker 1: it's when people, you know, capture what they believed to
Speaker 1: be the voice of a ghost. So I go to YouTube,
Speaker 1: I find ghost voices, and I want you to guess
Speaker 1: what you think the ghost is saying, or you know
Speaker 1: what the ghost hunter thinks. Okay, so I have two
Speaker 1: of them. The first one on YouTube was posted by
Speaker 1: Planet Paranormal Investigations slash Bob Davis and this took place
Speaker 1: at the world famous haunted Queen mary and Long Beach.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been?
Speaker 2: Oh, several times. My sister loves it that too.
Speaker 1: Do you think have you had any like haunted experiences there?
Speaker 2: No, not me personally, but I had a friend. He
Speaker 2: used to work at the checkout desk and then he
Speaker 2: did the night shift, so like he would be the
Speaker 2: one who goes to the rooms and slides the bill,
Speaker 2: you know, for the next morning checkout. And he said
Speaker 2: there there was one room that he refused to go
Speaker 2: to because every time someone stayed there, even if they
Speaker 2: wouldn't make it to the night, that room would just
Speaker 2: never have anyone stay through the night. They always wake
Speaker 2: up and they say, I like other room, please and
Speaker 2: so but even if someone made it through the night,
Speaker 2: it was the one room he didn't want to go
Speaker 2: and leave the paper because every time he did, he
Speaker 2: like bending down to do it and he could feel
Speaker 2: something behind him and turn around and it wouldn't be there. Eventually,
Speaker 2: he had to quit his job there because he said
Speaker 2: that it was too much and it was just that
Speaker 2: one room that always got to him. But the place
Speaker 2: was haunted, he said, for sure, it was haunted, but
Speaker 2: that one room was something that was not friendly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, it's known as one of the
Speaker 1: most haunted places in the world, and I've been there
Speaker 1: a couple of times. I've never had a haunted experience,
Speaker 1: but there's just so many stories that it's hard to
Speaker 1: deny it. Yeah, but okay, here, this was taken in
Speaker 1: the boiler room, and what do you hear this ghost saying?
Speaker 1: That's kind of a quick question, was quick?
Speaker 2: And hear it again? Can I hear it again? Okay? Yeah? Help?
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, that's a good that's a good guess. Here's
Speaker 1: a couple of options. Is it a oh hey boo,
Speaker 1: B radio C Hello or d hell no, I'll play
Speaker 1: it again.
Speaker 2: Huh. I feel like it wants it wants to be
Speaker 2: something with the hello, hell with the h sound.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'll play it again?
Speaker 2: Hell no?
Speaker 1: You know that's kind of what I hear. But they
Speaker 1: think it's radio because the guy that was doing the
Speaker 1: ghost hunting said something about how he wanted to put
Speaker 1: the ghost on the radio, and then he says that
Speaker 1: he thinks the ghost said radio.
Speaker 2: The ghost said, hell no, you're not putting me on.
Speaker 1: The radio exactly. I didn't send a release. Wait, let
Speaker 1: me play it a good hell no, yeah that is
Speaker 1: hell no. I may be a ghost, but I still
Speaker 1: have my rights.
Speaker 2: Am I getting residuals for this?
Speaker 1: Okay, let's do. Maybe they're more of a podcaster than
Speaker 1: a radio person. Okay, here's one more, and this time. Okay,
Speaker 1: this place I didn't know much about, and I got
Speaker 1: really into researching about. It's in San Juan Capistrano.
Speaker 2: I love that place.
Speaker 1: And yes, it's called the Vintage Steakhouse. Have you ever
Speaker 1: been there?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, can I read you this story that I
Speaker 1: read about why it's haunted?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Please, it's it's kind of incredible story.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: This was posted by uh. Okay, so I.
Speaker 2: Get because they ate too much steak, I'm going to die.
Speaker 1: No, but this is We'll go back to the EVP later,
Speaker 1: but first I just want to read you what I read.
Speaker 1: I just googled this place, the Vintage Steakhouse, and it
Speaker 1: brought me to the Capistrano Dispatch, which I believe was
Speaker 1: a local newspaper, and this little article was posted by
Speaker 1: Jan Siegel and she says, OOO, did you feel that
Speaker 1: bump in the night? Ghost stories abound in San Juan, Capistrano.
Speaker 1: The newest addition to our ghost lower comes from the
Speaker 1: Vintage Steakhouse. The fact that the restaurant sits in what
Speaker 1: was a what was once a train compartment, is a
Speaker 1: significant part of this tale. Some of the employees and
Speaker 1: guests of the Vintage say that they have been haunted
Speaker 1: by the ghost of Modesta. Avila Modesta, a villa, lived
Speaker 1: in the Comb's House next to the railroad tracks and
Speaker 1: now the Hummingbird Cafe from eighteen eighty to eighteen ninety.
Speaker 1: According to local legend, she was upset when the railroad
Speaker 1: came to town because the noise of the trains kept
Speaker 1: her chickens from laying eggs. To let the railroad know
Speaker 1: that she was upset, she hung her laundry on the
Speaker 1: tracks as a sign of protest. Modesta, a young Mexican girl,
Speaker 1: did not know that it was a federal offense to
Speaker 1: put anything over the railroad tracks. According to the facts,
Speaker 1: the station master advised her to take down the laundry
Speaker 1: before a train came, which she did so there was
Speaker 1: never so there really was no crime. However, it was
Speaker 1: eighteen eighty nine, the start of Orange County and there
Speaker 1: was a new district attorney in the new county. He
Speaker 1: lost his first case, which he should have won, and
Speaker 1: was anxious to prove his power, so he filed the
Speaker 1: charges against Modesta. The first case ended in a hung jury,
Speaker 1: so he was not content, so he filed against her again.
Speaker 1: This time he indicated that this young, unmarried Mexican girl
Speaker 1: was pregnant, a definite no no. In eighteen ninety the
Speaker 1: second time around, he got his conviction. Modesta was sent
Speaker 1: to San Quentin prison after two years, and she died
Speaker 1: in jail. There was never a baby, so sad okay,
Speaker 1: but so it says, the story stopped being his. Sorry,
Speaker 1: history stopped being concerned with Modesta until now. Recently, the
Speaker 1: patrons and employees of the Vintage Steakhouse have had several
Speaker 1: eerie episodes attributed to the ghost of Modesta.
Speaker 2: A villa.
Speaker 1: Two women were in the restroom when one felt a
Speaker 1: startling bump. She was so frightened she fainted. The other
Speaker 1: woman felt the bump so strongly that she went back
Speaker 1: to her table and told her husband that she would
Speaker 1: wait for him outside. She was never going inside the
Speaker 1: restaurant again. Employees have seen flickering lights, a vision of
Speaker 1: a young girl in the wine cabinet, creaky floors, and
Speaker 1: light images on the walls. An area in the dining
Speaker 1: car section of the restaurant has experienced cold drafts for
Speaker 1: no apparent reason. Okay, what about that story.
Speaker 2: That's insane. Well, she's angry also, like she just wanted
Speaker 2: her chickens to lay eggs.
Speaker 1: I know, dumbess with the chickens. Yeah, it's like break
Speaker 1: I love that she was protesting.
Speaker 2: I know. And I was like, that's very like gutsy
Speaker 2: and ballsy, you know, like to like especially in that time,
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, I would have wanted to be her friend.
Speaker 2: Like she sounds like she was a bet, I know,
Speaker 2: especially like back in those days. He's a man, she's female,
Speaker 2: Like she was ballsy, like she was like fuck you,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't care, and like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was pulling some shady moves. On her too,
Speaker 1: being like, oh, she's pregnant and she's not married.
Speaker 2: That's the energy I'm talking about, the Santa Anna and
Speaker 2: that whole like Orange County, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like that's the kind of an injustice that happened. I'm sure,
Speaker 2: left and right, you know, the stuff that like she
Speaker 2: was just my her own business, trying to like have
Speaker 2: eggs and chickens, and like someone really just wanted to
Speaker 2: go at her and and got what he wanted and
Speaker 2: then she died in prison. Like it's like come on,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, I also want the movie rights to that.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, so let's go back to the ev so
Speaker 1: OC ghosts and legends posted that they believe they caught
Speaker 1: her or a ghost saying something, what do you think
Speaker 1: this says? I'm gonna be honest with you right now,
Speaker 1: I don't hear anything, but I play it again. All right,
Speaker 1: let me turn it up. I fuck youre' some options
Speaker 1: because that was not the one that they thought they heard.
Speaker 1: A I'm tired. How about you, b I'm gonna get you.
Speaker 1: See I don't like the train or d I'm not
Speaker 1: fucking with you.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get.
Speaker 1: You honestly, no, they thought that it was I don't
Speaker 1: like the train. I don't hear that at all.
Speaker 2: You know, it's weird that now that after you said
Speaker 2: that that's what they heard, my mind goes to, like, oh,
Speaker 2: I hear it now, you know, but only because that's
Speaker 2: in my brain, Like it's like, what's that word?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they have this story probably in the back
Speaker 1: of their head right that she did. What I thought.
Speaker 1: What I found interesting that they were saying when they
Speaker 1: caught this this ghost was that they wanted the train
Speaker 1: to go by because it's right next to the train,
Speaker 1: this restaurant, and they wanted to see up the energy
Speaker 1: from the train could get something to happen, because you know,
Speaker 1: many people believe that ghost feed off of you know,
Speaker 1: electrical energy and uh. And they said that as soon
Speaker 1: as the train went by, they heard that. So I mean,
Speaker 1: if this is that the spirit of that woman, I
Speaker 1: could see her being like, I don't like the train,
Speaker 1: get that out of here.
Speaker 2: That is true, that's definitely yeah. Yeah, now that I
Speaker 2: know that potentially it is that, now I can't step
Speaker 2: thinking that it's not that like it's like, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's I think that's where it is. She is upset, right, right,
Speaker 2: I shouldn't really say it's like, were are my eggs
Speaker 2: or something?
Speaker 1: You know, get off my eggs?
Speaker 2: Get off my eggs.
Speaker 1: Well, hey, Harvey, that's about it. Oh, this was so wonderful.
Speaker 1: You really brought it today with these stories, and thank
Speaker 1: you so much.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for having me. This was this was nice
Speaker 2: and it was good to get off my chest. And
Speaker 2: we're gonna find that portal. I know there's like a
Speaker 2: portal and Anna Heim or Santa Ana, we're gonna find it.
Speaker 1: What do you mean you're gonna find it? What are
Speaker 1: you gonna do with that?
Speaker 2: I go find it. I know now that you said that,
Speaker 2: there's different people who said they've had demons and stories
Speaker 2: in that area. There has to be a reason. I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it. You may never hear from me again.
Speaker 1: Well, good luck, Thank you, Harvey. You know I have
Speaker 1: another episode next week. Can't wait for like always honestly.
Speaker 1: We are joined by Katrina Wideman, who will be returning
Speaker 1: for her second visit. You know Katrina because she hosts
Speaker 1: the TV show Portals to Hell, which is on the
Speaker 1: Travel Channel. She co hosts with Jack Osborne. And she's
Speaker 1: had years and years and years of working in the
Speaker 1: paranormal field and especially paranormal television, and of course she's
Speaker 1: got stories. She answers questions that you guys submitted, and
Speaker 1: also questions that I've been wondering about ghosts and what's
Speaker 1: going on in these portals to Hell. So luckily Katrina
Speaker 1: will get to the bottom of some of that for us.
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