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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back George Nori along with Stephan Schwartz.

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Speaker 1: As we talk about the laws have changed. You've talked

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Speaker 1: throughout Stephen that you believe the individual has the power

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Speaker 1: to change the course of history. How does that happen? Well, again,

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Speaker 1: I need to also stress George, you know I am

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Speaker 1: a data person. I don't have another theoretician. I'm not

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Speaker 1: a speculator. Everything I talk to you about is just

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Speaker 1: based on experimental data. Right. So the issue is can

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Speaker 1: an individual who has no particular power or money or

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Speaker 1: official position, can they change history? And the answer is yes.

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Speaker 1: Now the question is how do they do it? And

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Speaker 1: the answer to that is it has to do with

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Speaker 1: when you get this. This is how consciousness and social

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Speaker 1: transformation interact. When ten sent of any cohort, whether it's

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Speaker 1: a church group, school group, a neighborhood group, or a nation,

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Speaker 1: when ten percent shift in their consciousness, then the whole cohort,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, has to accommodate that shift. And I'll

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Speaker 1: give you specific examples of that. If you look at,

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Speaker 1: for instance, when you and I were boys, people like

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Speaker 1: Martin Luther King would say negro. Nobody says that anymore.

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Speaker 1: Why not? What happened? Did somebody pass a law that

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Speaker 1: you couldn't say it? No, what happened was that a

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Speaker 1: group of people not anything over ten percent. How do

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Speaker 1: we know it's over ten percent because Rensselear Politech did

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Speaker 1: a bunch of research on this and published their research

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Speaker 1: findings and found that when ten percent of any group

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Speaker 1: shift in consciousness, everybody shifts with it. Or to give

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Speaker 1: you another one, when did gay become LGBTQ or lgbt

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Speaker 1: and then LGBTQ somebody passed a law? No, what happened

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Speaker 1: was individuals made a choice, and so that The classic

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Speaker 1: example of this is Gandhi. Gandhi got independence for India

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Speaker 1: without a war. I mean, we didn't do that, Nobody

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Speaker 1: did it. How did he do that? How did he

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Speaker 1: get independence from Great Britain when India was their most

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Speaker 1: prized colonial possession without a war? And the answer to

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Speaker 1: the question was asked of Gandhi and they went up.

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Speaker 1: A reporter went up and asked him just before he

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Speaker 1: was assassinated nineteen forty eight and said, you know, how

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Speaker 1: did you force the British to leave India, and Gandhi's

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Speaker 1: answer was, it's not what we did that mattered, although

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Speaker 1: that matter matter. It's not what we said that mattered.

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Speaker 1: Although that mattered. It was the nature of our character,

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Speaker 1: our being, this that caused the British to choose, believe India,

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Speaker 1: not force choose. And if you look at what is

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Speaker 1: going on right now, you can see in the United States.

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Speaker 1: You can see it with the anti vaxer business. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we know, for instance, that three hundred and nineteen thousand

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Speaker 1: people died who would not otherwise have died had they

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Speaker 1: been vaccinated. And yet how were we able How was

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Speaker 1: a small group of leaders able to implant in people's

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Speaker 1: idea minds the idea that vaccinations were bad. Now, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's quite weird if you think about it, because to

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Speaker 1: go to public school in the United States, in any

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Speaker 1: state in the Union, you have to get a hold,

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Speaker 1: but your child has to get a whole bunch of

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Speaker 1: vaccinations otherwise they can't go. But for some reason, the

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Speaker 1: COVID vaccine and the COVID pandemic was manipulated and became politicized.

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Speaker 1: And the thing that really concerns me about the United

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Speaker 1: States right now is the weaponization of misinformation because the

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Speaker 1: fact that when you get ten percent, you can cause change.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean good change, it just means change. And

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Speaker 1: so what's happened in this country is we have more

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Speaker 1: than ten percent, actually about a third, who have developed

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Speaker 1: an attitude about this pandemic that has caused them to

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Speaker 1: make choices which have resulted in over a million people

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Speaker 1: have died. And the estimate is from the CDC at

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Speaker 1: it three hundred nineteen thousand of them wouldn't have died

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Speaker 1: had they been properly vaccinated. That's an example of how

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Speaker 1: order very individuals. Because the key is culture is created

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Speaker 1: by consensus. You know, in every country, if you were,

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Speaker 1: for instance, flying from here to Vancouver and you look down,

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't see anywhere that there was a big line

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Speaker 1: or something. And yet no Canadian fifty feet from the

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Speaker 1: as a Canadian. Why is that? It's because individuals, when

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Speaker 1: they make the same choice about what food need, how

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Speaker 1: pick anything like, they create culture. And when you get

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Speaker 1: a group of people to passionately believe something and act

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Speaker 1: on it, then they can cause change. And the real

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Speaker 1: issue to me is are we going to cause change

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Speaker 1: to promote well being? Or are we going to turn

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Speaker 1: that is not an easy question. I would say to you.

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Speaker 1: We need some We need to develop a way in

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Speaker 1: which information can be dispersed and be proven to be accurate.

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Speaker 1: The thing that I am most concerned about is the

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Speaker 1: weaponization of disinformation about all kinds of disinformation. In the

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Speaker 1: old days, Stephan, we trusted Walter Cronkite, We trusted those broadcasters, yes,

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Speaker 1: but we didn't have the internet then. Now now, anybody

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Speaker 1: sitting in his garage at his computer or whatever and

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Speaker 1: start something up which gets picked up and goes viral,

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Speaker 1: and thousands or millions of people may believe it, and

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Speaker 1: when they believe it, they act on it. And when

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Speaker 1: they act on it, then the whole culture has got

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Speaker 1: to accommodate to that. And that's what's going on in

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Speaker 1: central issue that we need to face because we are

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Speaker 1: doing things. We have practices, cultural practices, everything from racism

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Speaker 1: to guns. So you know, pick whatever you like in

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Speaker 1: which small minority groups who hold very strong feelings are

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Speaker 1: able to shape the whole culture. And that's the power

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Speaker 1: of the individual. So when I would leave your listeners

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Speaker 1: with this thought, this is how you do it. Every

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Speaker 1: day you make hundreds of little choices. Buy the toothpaste

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Speaker 1: dog food, the gas you buy, all those little things.

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Speaker 1: Every one of those is a vote. And if you

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Speaker 1: commit yourself that every choice you make, to the best

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Speaker 1: of your understanding, will be of the options available to you,

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Speaker 1: will be the most compassionate, life affirming and fostering of

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Speaker 1: well being. As you understand that, and you tell ten

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Speaker 1: people that you're doing this and invite them to do

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Speaker 1: will tell you and absolutely it's provable that the listenership

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Speaker 1: of Coast to Coast of itself has the ability to

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Speaker 1: change the course of the November election. It's intriguing. It's

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Speaker 1: powerful too, Stefan, isn't It is very powerful? You see

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Speaker 1: it happen I mean, we watch it, but we don't

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Speaker 1: see it. And the reason is until you understand that

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Speaker 1: Until you get that, you don't really understand, I think,

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Speaker 1: that you have no power, that you know you're being

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Speaker 1: produce extraordinary changes. When you talk about the eight laws

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Speaker 1: of change, buzz through them very quickly for us before

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Speaker 1: we go to calls okay, yes, because these eight laws.

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Speaker 1: I did not invent them. What I did was twenty

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Speaker 1: did it. First law, the individuals individually and as a

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Speaker 1: group collectively must share a common intention. Now everybody's got

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Speaker 1: The abolition has taught me this there reading their diaries.

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Speaker 1: same thing, by the way, with the Suffragets. Third law,

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Speaker 1: That's a big issue because people like to get credit.

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Speaker 1: Fifth law, Each person in the group, regardless of gender, religion, race,

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Speaker 1: Sixth law, the individuals and the group must forswear violence

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Speaker 1: You mean, is there a situation where it wouldn't work?

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Speaker 1: You know Kings, I have a dream speech and all

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Speaker 1: So no, you you you don't just stand by and

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Speaker 1: when the Ukrainians gave back to Russia one hundred and

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