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Speaker 1: First off, man, like, thank you for coming on the show.

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Speaker 1: We're big, big fan of you and your game and

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Speaker 1: your career. And well, that's one of the biggest stories

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Speaker 1: he's saying, because when we first got to the league,

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Speaker 1: we finally played the Knicks, and when we played, we

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Speaker 2: Down there and we was on the other end.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you probably remember this, We was

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Speaker 1: on the other end doing our shoot around before the

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Speaker 1: game and were looking down there at you and we

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Speaker 1: were like, man, he getting ned shot. So then we

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Speaker 1: got close to you, and then we seen your shoes,

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Speaker 1: and when your shoes had the H two oh oner,

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Speaker 1: we thought that was some of the dopest shit we

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Speaker 1: ever said in our life. Like we talk about this

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Speaker 1: like this is twenty two years later and we talk

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Speaker 1: about this is one of our favorite stories, both of

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Speaker 1: us to tell and tell people of our some of

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Speaker 1: our experiences when we first got to the league, and

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Speaker 1: it was definitely with you and playing against you and

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Speaker 1: the next team, Like, it's definitely dope.

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Speaker 3: So thank you, man, Listen, I'm honored. I got the cars, like, okay,

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Speaker 3: I got the call, I got like the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you when you when you first got to

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Speaker 1: the league. Who was the first person to bust your.

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Speaker 3: So I've seen this before, you know, it's somebody that

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Speaker 3: probably I don't know, a lot of people don't remember,

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Speaker 3: but Doug West.

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Speaker 3: So so you know when when you come to the

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Speaker 4: Were a big guard.

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Speaker 3: You were like big for your side, skilled, And I

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Speaker 3: was considered a big guard, you know, coming in and

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, I'm checking this dude. He's coming off

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Speaker 3: he's just he just moving me around. And so I

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Speaker 3: think it was Doug West. And you gotta remember I

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Speaker 3: had practice against Joe Dumar's every day. So Joe, you know,

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Speaker 3: He was a really good tennis player. So Joe, Joe

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Speaker 3: practice facility in the Pistons and he would go sometimes

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Speaker 3: either before after practice of workouts and go just hit

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Speaker 3: tennis balls, you know, either with the owner or somebody else.

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Speaker 3: And I noticed that he always was like really good feet,

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Speaker 3: the way his game was so Joe Mitch Richmond, you know,

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Speaker 3: and they had good feet, you know that.

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Speaker 4: Spin out live you know, you know when.

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Speaker 5: Y'oll y'all, y'all, we live on location New York Cities.

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Speaker 4: In the Bill, New York, all the way out east.

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Speaker 5: We had to get a New York nick legend, one

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Speaker 5: of the best shooters in the history of the game.

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Speaker 5: Man anytime you got a nickname called H two oh

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Speaker 5: straight out of Louisville, Kentucky.

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Speaker 4: D let's see legend.

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Speaker 5: We got Allen H two Old Houston in the building

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Speaker 5: y'all visible with Verizon, Visible with Verizon. We in the

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Speaker 5: building presented by Visible.

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Speaker 2: Louisville, Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: Louisville, Kentucky is a small city, but everybody who come

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Speaker 2: When you got the.

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Speaker 1: High school and and you start noticing like, all right, well,

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Speaker 3: So my thing with Louisville growing up. So I grew

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Speaker 3: You know, class is nothing. So when you're coming up

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Speaker 2: The school is or how small the school is.

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Speaker 3: Ex weekning sweet sixteen, sixteen teams make it to the

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Speaker 3: like a cult hero in Kentucky.

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Speaker 4: He was a man.

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Speaker 3: He comes back to the locker room. Everybody's like, yo, Rex,

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Speaker 3: You're gonna be all right. You know what that meant?

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Speaker 3: Like I'm coming from now, I'm from Louisville, so I'm

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Speaker 3: like Louisville Kentucky experience was an impactful to me because

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Speaker 4: It wasn't my move, you know, all these guys.

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Speaker 3: But but yeah, being from Louisville, not just being one

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Speaker 5: How was it for you to be a sophomore going

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Speaker 5: or Rupperena in front of twenty three thousand, all of

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Speaker 4: Like what was what was like? How was that to

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Speaker 3: Man, I look back on it, and it was it

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Speaker 3: was so fun. It was exciting, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: You feel like it's Louisville. You felt like in the

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Speaker 4: This is high school basketball, right, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: And and but it's just it's just what it is.

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Speaker 3: it's really like that. You know, it's really like that.

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Speaker 3: You just it's it's a it's a phenomenon. You know,

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Speaker 3: When you was in high schal So what happened was

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Speaker 3: Everybody's behind me and I'm signing and I'm headed to Louisville.

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Speaker 3: Right that following April, my dad gets he gets interviewed, right,

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Speaker 3: Head coach, first black head coach Southeastern Conference history. So

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Speaker 3: Screaming he got the job, he got the job, and

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Speaker 3: I'm like I'm now like I'm not going to a little

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Speaker 3: And then everybody was like, you know what you're gonna do.

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Speaker 3: So that's how it happened. And we made an appeal

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Speaker 4: How did that go? You're gonn tell you.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you a crazy story about like compared

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Speaker 3: to now. So I remember my dad sat me down.

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Speaker 3: We sat down as a family, right and back then,

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Speaker 3: his whole thing was play four years, get your degree,

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Speaker 3: because he had seen guys come up and play four

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Speaker 3: thing was, Man, you're gonna play four years. You're gonna,

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Speaker 4: So this was obviously before my college career.

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Speaker 3: So his his plan was, if they have to take

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Speaker 4: I can't. I'm not I can't come to Kentucky to

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Speaker 5: Was asking that question the way people don't ask that question,

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Speaker 4: He's here.

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Speaker 3: So, I don't even know who took us out, but

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Speaker 5: So you don't be understanding.

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Speaker 4: He let it be known right off the top.

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Speaker 3: We had a good time though, man, I mean he

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Speaker 3: it got to the point where we stopped eating and

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Speaker 1: All the history to come out of out of Kentucky,

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Speaker 1: how was it for you to be named? You know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, mister Kentucky like the best basketball player.

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Speaker 5: So you would really ask him about an individual ward

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Speaker 4: This is this is an ongoing thing.

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Speaker 5: He's only asking about mister basketball because he won mister Basketball.

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Speaker 4: But you did it the right way.

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Speaker 5: You won mister basketball as well as winning the state championship.

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Speaker 4: But I'm not your question. I'm a state champion.

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Speaker 2: Great for you. You feel me.

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Speaker 3: We wanted my junior, we wanted my junior year, but

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Speaker 5: So you like him then, but you did win your

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, y'all, go ahead, talk go ahead.

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Speaker 3: You know, I mean winning mister basketball again. And at

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Speaker 3: He was a meeting for winning mister basketball. It was

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Speaker 3: you know, it's a big thing. It's a big thing.

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Speaker 1: How was your McDonald's experience? Like when you when you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I still got I still got the jersey.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 4: It's like McDonald's, right it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's like it's one of those

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Speaker 1: And heart you know, they always got to come through there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And you know, not only is he your pop's bringing

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, His whole family is finna be embedded

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Speaker 2: Get in that first practice and see from day one?

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Speaker 3: Two points I remember one just walking in his office

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Speaker 4: Like being man, you made it man, like you know

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Speaker 5: Like and the first black African American in the SEC comes.

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Speaker 3: In a place that we used to ride by, like

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Speaker 4: He said, Man, I just want to tell you, like.

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Speaker 3: As a kid growing up in Arkansas, when I saw

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Speaker 3: like that impacted so many people you don't even realize,

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Speaker 4: That's crazy.

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Speaker 3: So you don't realize, you know, we we knew that

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Speaker 4: It was like it was always bigger than bigger than that.

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Speaker 1: You got there, and now you went too the games

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Speaker 1: I score the way I scored in high school on

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Speaker 3: I think the moment that really stamped out for me

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Speaker 2: Singers love dope freshmens.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, like I felt like they were

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Speaker 5: these hands work like I'm nice, Like you know what

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Speaker 5: I'm saying, because I mean, that's my if I see

440
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Speaker 5: somebody who cut my first pro live man you play,

441
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 5: you got to get to shoot because he's I'm locked

442
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 5: that up, like you know what I'm saying, till you

443
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,119
Speaker 5: showed me otherwhile that you run into any of that

444
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 5: people trying to talk, well.

445
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Speaker 3: I think I think you know you have a reputation.

446
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 3: You're coming in as a McDonald's guy. And I think

447
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 3: the first thing, I think, my first thing that my

448
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 3: father made sure that I did not He had to

449
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 3: tell it to me much, but I just knew you

450
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 3: got to come in. And first of all, he always says,

451
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 3: be humble and hard working. So if you come in,

452
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 3: be humble and work hard than anybody. He always say,

453
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Speaker 3: like just watch the gym if somebody, if somebody's feel

454
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Speaker 3: like they're working harder than you're not doing your job.

455
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Speaker 3: So I said, if if I can kind of take

456
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Speaker 3: that approach early, then I can kind of get respect

457
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 3: and then you know, and I was just aware of it.

458
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 3: So once I did that, and I had a couple

459
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Speaker 3: of good games early, I think they were like, all right,

460
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 3: then let's figure out how to make this work. And

461
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Speaker 3: then we had another guard who was a score right,

462
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Speaker 3: and I knew that that name was Greg Bell. He

463
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Speaker 3: was a senior. He had had a good career coming up.

464
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Speaker 3: And what I didn't want to do is like I

465
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Speaker 3: want to make sure, like, yo, man, you a senior.

466
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Speaker 3: You gotta get your shine. So I had to figure

467
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Speaker 3: out how to make that work too. But that game

468
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 3: was the game that I was like, Okay, you can

469
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Speaker 3: do that at this point on this stage in the.

470
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Speaker 4: SEC, it's a tough conference.

471
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Speaker 3: You know, you know, coming as a freshman, So I

472
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Speaker 3: felt like I was ready. But I think what my

473
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Speaker 3: father did a lot was he made practices a lot

474
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Speaker 3: harder on me than the games. So he didn't say

475
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 3: nothing to me in the games, but in practice he

476
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 3: was always putting drills in where you know, you gotta

477
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Speaker 3: break double teams full court.

478
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Speaker 2: You know.

479
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Speaker 4: It was he knew that I was gonna need to

480
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:55,959
Speaker 4: be ready for that.

481
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Speaker 1: How hard was it for your pops to be working

482
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Speaker 1: at a college and you know the time that he

483
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: has to put in away from from the family, your

484
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: style of play, the way you play your game.

485
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 2: I know, he couldn't give a lot to you.

486
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 3: So a lot of that came early from me because

487
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 3: I was in Louisville basketball camps, like all summer growing up,

488
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 3: basketball camps, right, So you would for four weeks in

489
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 3: the summer from eight years old up until like my

490
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 3: freshman year, I'm doing John Wooden footwork drills. We're doing

491
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Speaker 3: like then you go one on one, you know, the

492
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Speaker 3: team camps. So all that was kind of put in early.

493
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Speaker 3: So by the time I was in high school and

494
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 3: got to that point, it was really more about leadership manhood,

495
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 3: like what does all this stuff really mean now?

496
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Speaker 4: The other stuff.

497
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Speaker 3: So I think the hard part, the hardest part was,

498
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Speaker 3: you know, seeing how the adversity that he had to

499
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Speaker 3: go through and what my mother had to deal with

500
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Speaker 3: in kind of seeing I got a son and I

501
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 3: got a hus been you know, they getting hit with media,

502
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 3: they get you know, it's it's you going deep South

503
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 3: and Starkville, Mississippi.

504
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm always strong.

505
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So so I was more like kind of

506
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 3: trying to be observing of that, you know, and how

507
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 3: he was taking it I feel like I was gonna

508
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Speaker 3: be good.

509
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 4: You know. I just wanted to like, how's it all

510
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 4: gonna just work together? And so he was.

511
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Speaker 3: You know, it was times, you know, he had to

512
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 3: sit me down and like yo, man, like you know,

513
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 3: he had to be. He had to be dad a lot,

514
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 3: you know. And the funny thing was like I still

515
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Speaker 3: don't even know what I called him.

516
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Speaker 4: Like That's why I was like, how was that dynamic? Though?

517
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Speaker 4: Like to have your fat like because you know a

518
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,199
Speaker 4: lot of us when we get to college out, I know,

519
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 4: gone ahead and be but like you're twenty years old,

520
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Speaker 4: you checked the every.

521
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Speaker 5: Day you walking through the door, you gotta come you

522
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 5: face and with Pops, you can't be.

523
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Speaker 3: He had some one time he had to He had

524
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Speaker 3: to bring me into the office and be like, look,

525
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: it's real, you know. I I was hanging out with

526
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 3: this dude and who wasn't you know? He wasn't the

527
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 3: type of the dude that the people I should have

528
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 3: been hanging around, you know, But I'm like, it's cool

529
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 3: with me, but I didn't see the big picture, you

530
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And that was a big lesson

531
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Speaker 3: for me, and he had to sit me down. It

532
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 3: wasn't coach at that point. It was it was Pops, like,

533
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 3: I don't care if you you know what I mean,

534
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 3: Like this could get real.

535
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Speaker 1: Like the like the kids of the day, Like I'll

536
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: be trying to tell the kids, like mastering fundamentals. When

537
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: you master the fundamentals, then you can add the extra

538
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: crossover to it, or the extra moves and stuff. Like

539
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: your game it's very fundamentally the sound, very to the

540
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: t footwork the right way, stuff like that. Just tell

541
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: her how you mastered them fundamentals first and then you

542
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Speaker 1: added all the rest.

543
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I guess it goes again, goes back

544
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Speaker 3: to I learned it so early, like.

545
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Speaker 4: Louisville ran Louisville ran Louisville.

546
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Speaker 3: I knew, I knew the U c L A high

547
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 3: post offense that John woodn't ran when I was twelve

548
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 3: years old. Like I knew, I knew the cuts, I

549
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 3: knew the.

550
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 4: Angles, every position.

551
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Speaker 3: So even when even when Phil was here, right when

552
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 3: Phil was here with the Knicks, I used to pick

553
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 3: his brain about the triangle like people called triangle triple

554
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 3: posts and people would be like, man, don't worry, I said,

555
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 3: I'm listen, you're gonna understand, like, doesn't matter what your

556
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 3: position is. Right, And I tell people like, okay, take

557
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 3: this simple rule. Can you score in four seconds and

558
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 3: in two dribbles anywhere on the court?

559
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 4: Just think about could you can? You can you no

560
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 4: matter where you are? Right.

561
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Speaker 3: I look at someone like KG and some of the

562
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 3: guys who was so fundamentally sound. Michael was so fundamently sound,

563
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 3: and people don't realize they played for Dean Smith for

564
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 3: three years.

565
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 4: Right.

566
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 3: So you people talk about Kobe, people always talk about

567
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 3: the guys who had great footwork, great mid range game.

568
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 4: It's because it starts with the feet.

569
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Speaker 3: Everything starts with your feet and being aware of your

570
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 3: balance and your feet and how you can be efficient

571
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 3: with your movement before you even do anything with the all.

572
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 4: So my thing was, we used to play a lot.

573
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: Of one on one with no dribble, you know, yeah,

574
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 3: like like walk d Russell Walker D in Detroit, we

575
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 3: used to play no dribble.

576
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 4: On the glass.

577
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: So I think it's like when you say master the fundamentals,

578
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: it's master your base first, then master who you are.

579
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 3: Like we try to do so much of watching somebody

580
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 3: else what they do. Master your basics and then figure

581
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 3: out what what what you do best and then build

582
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 3: off of that aka a Key Keith Vanderwet triple threat.

583
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 3: We worked out with Key Key one summer man. We

584
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 3: only got to do a couple of days, but like

585
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 3: to sit there and just not even dribble, almost like

586
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 3: he showed us so many derivatives out of that damn

587
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 3: triple thread and so many moves just off of the

588
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 3: jail to this way.

589
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 4: It was like we were just.

590
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 5: Standing there for an hour or two and we was

591
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 5: doing just different moves off the off the triple to

592
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 5: It was like, it's so believable.

593
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 4: He got a whole whole package just on this right.

594
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 4: It's a science to it, you know.

595
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 3: And I think what happens is like people, all that

596
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 3: does is whatever talent you have, it elevates it. Right,

597
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 3: people want to look at the other way around. You

598
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 3: want to like take your talent and all your that skill.

599
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 3: It starts with the base, because if you don't have

600
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: a base, then your talent's going to be limited.

601
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Speaker 1: How was it when your first time you played against Kentucky?

602
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 3: Trying to remember the first game, but it was always

603
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 3: even Tennessee and Kentucky. Like I always consider Kentucky like

604
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 3: the nemesis right for Louisville. Then you go to Tennessee

605
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 3: and they always had a little bit of a rivalry.

606
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: It was close to home, uh, playing and rough. I

607
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: mean it was always it was always a big game.

608
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 3: I think the biggest one was when we beat him.

609
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: I think it was my junior year and I had

610
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 3: to miss a free throw. We were down three and

611
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 3: you know, hit thee hit the first one, missed the

612
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: second one, and my man Corey Allen got the rebound

613
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 3: and got an a one, so we beat him on

614
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: a fourth a non traditional four point play. There was

615
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 3: so many, you know, playing against mash. You know, the

616
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 3: cool thing was playing against lose kids I played against

617
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 3: in high school in the state tournament. You know, Richie

618
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: Farmer and Dan Feldhouse and all them guys. Roger Rose

619
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: was tough with Roger Rose, so you know, yes, it

620
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 3: was it was. It was a lot of fun with

621
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: a lot of fun matchups against Kentucky.

622
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 5: You was, you was SEC fresh You was All Freshman,

623
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 5: All Freshman team as a as a obviously as a freshman,

624
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 5: but then you made All SEC first seam three years

625
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 5: in a row. So at no point was you like

626
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 5: thinking about them about the bounce early, like you stayed

627
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 5: all four years. Like at no point was you like

628
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 5: this could be the year because like you like you

629
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 5: say you all SEC first scene three years.

630
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was after my sophomore year and

631
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 3: I hadn't really I didn't think about it. But after

632
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 3: my sophomore year, we had a we went to we

633
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: went to the finals SEC tournament and we had a

634
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 3: really good tournament, and I heard people kind of like

635
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: asking me, like you're gonna You're gonna leave or you're

636
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 3: gonna stay. I never really even thought about it. And

637
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: then in my mind you also had that thing with

638
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: my father, like you know player four years. You know

639
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: at that time, like things kind of changed a little

640
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 3: bit after my junior years when I really thought about it.

641
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 4: I really thought about it.

642
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 3: Because you know, I think Jimmy went, you know, Jackson,

643
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 3: and these were guys you know when you play against

644
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 3: the guys all since high school and you're like, they're

645
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: like guys leaving. I'm like, and I think what happened

646
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 3: was honestly, man, I just prayed about it. I just

647
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 3: I remember taking like two weeks and just like all right,

648
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: you know what is it. What is it in it

649
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: for me? Not not what's in it for me, but

650
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 3: like what is what's meant for me?

651
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 4: Right?

652
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: And I just remember remember reflecting, like, man, how many people?

653
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: How many times do people get this opportunity? Like I'm

654
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: gonna look back twenty years from now and be like, man,

655
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 3: you had a chance to like create a legacy, you know,

656
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 3: with your dad, you know what I mean. And I

657
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 3: didn't know what was gonna happen. But I'm like, I

658
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: wasn't worried about getting hurt. I wasn't really worried about

659
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: my stock dropping. I wouldn't even worried about it. To me,

660
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 3: that was all written done and said right to me,

661
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: it was about what can you can you create something

662
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 3: more than you had with this you know, your dad

663
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 3: and the legacy and all that.

664
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: To be in the college and when you get the

665
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: most points in the history of it.

666
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: Like whole lot of Yeah, that is a whole lot

667
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: of bucket's Like how is that for you? You know

668
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

669
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: Not only man, your pops is the coach, Like, man,

670
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: you become the you know, the most you scored the

671
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: most points in the school history.

672
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 4: I don't think it's gonna last though, because it's.

673
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 5: Now. That's an accomplishment in itself. It's twenty twenty two.

674
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 5: You did that back in eight ninety three.

675
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 3: Bro, Like, please, that's they're gonna leave leaving.

676
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, did you even know that

677
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: you was even close to even get getting I.

678
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: Think, yeah, I mean I think once I knew I

679
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 3: was coming back for my senior year. I don't know

680
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: how close I was, you know, after my junior year,

681
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 3: but I figured it might be something, you know, I

682
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 3: just for me, it was about just consistency. I think

683
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,239
Speaker 3: that was like going back to you the fundamentals, right,

684
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: It was about can you just be consistent? And that

685
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: was been I think for me, Like growing up, I

686
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 3: wasn't strong. I was real skinny. I had like a

687
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,959
Speaker 3: lot of issues with my knees and stuff when I

688
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: was little. So for me, I had to develop all

689
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 3: that as I was growing. I had to develop that

690
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: technical part of my game because that was my only

691
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: way of being consistent. So so I think it was

692
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: about how to just be consistent and worry about you know,

693
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: worry about the rest.

694
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: When you went through your draft process, how many teams

695
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: did you work out.

696
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 4: For it's about nine. Yeah, it's about nine.

697
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: You know, I think eleven pick these days, I don't

698
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: think they're working out for you know what I'm saying. Right,

699
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 3: it was ready, you were gonna go, you know, I

700
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 3: thought I was gonna I thought I was gonna go

701
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 3: to Atlanta. I had a really good workout. I think

702
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: they had uh. I think they had a later pick.

703
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 3: I think they had thirteen. I'm not sure who they are,

704
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: but Atlanta was two hours away from Knoxville.

705
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 4: Was Atlanta? You know what I'm saying. It was Atlanta?

706
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 6: Man.

707
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 4: You know the.

708
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 3: Workout, you know, I had, Like my vertical went up

709
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 3: two inches in that workout. Man, you feeling good? I

710
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: was feeling good with that one. Denver was my first one.

711
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 3: So that was tough, you know, because you know altitude

712
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 3: the first workout.

713
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 4: I think about it like, man, my legs went and

714
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 4: you know, my shooting.

715
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: But did you go to the draft?

716
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 4: Yeah?

717
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: How was it?

718
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 4: So?

719
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 3: It was in Detroit? So so that was what was

720
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: cool about it. I mean, yeah, that's the one thing

721
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 3: they say, So how did he thing? Was Lindsey Lindsey

722
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 3: Hunter would and and I were ten and eleven.

723
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 4: They picked Lindsey ten.

724
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 3: They picked me, me eleven back to back in Detroit,

725
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 3: so they picked Lindsey ten. I was like, all right,

726
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 3: so I'm sitting there eleven, you know, going to Detroit.

727
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 3: So went across the stage and everybody was like happy

728
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 3: with it, and it was cool, man. I mean, you know,

729
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: being drafted in Detroit right there, you know, and knowing

730
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,479
Speaker 3: that you're about to literally sit with a notepad under

731
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 3: Isaiah Thomas and Joe Dumar Like that's what what me

732
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 3: and Lindsay talked about every day.

733
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 4: Like I remember when.

734
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 3: Isaiah, yeah, took us to his house, first walked in

735
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 3: and walked in there, and then he took us outside

736
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 3: and this little walk away like where are you going man?

737
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 4: You go in?

738
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 3: He had this indoor court like like off on his property,

739
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: but it was indoors. I'm like, dang, you know, this

740
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 3: is crazy. You know, I never seen anything like that.

741
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 3: We end up shooting around and just like you just

742
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 3: seeing like Isaiah like taking you under his wing. Then

743
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 3: Joe go to his house right and you walking around

744
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: and the one thing I remember about Joe's house is

745
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 3: he had this like literally off a bathroom off his office.

746
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I ain't never seen nothing like this,

747
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 3: And I was like, if I can't ever get nobody

748
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 3: to get to get a bathroom off my office, I'm

749
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 3: gonna get it.

750
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 4: And you know, I got my value and you got

751
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 4: your indoor court. Look, you know, he.

752
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 3: Took a lot of guys onto the vision right that

753
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: they put they gave. They give you a vision of

754
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 3: what you can do. But like the most important thing

755
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 3: is that that rookie year, that summer after our rookie year,

756
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 3: you know, I sat and watched them do the same routine.

757
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 2: Every day.

758
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 3: They get on the bike, they get their work done,

759
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: they get their shots, and they out of there. And

760
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 3: it wasn't that they were doing all a lot of

761
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 3: crazy stuff. It was like every day, every day, same time,

762
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: did the same thing. And like that was one of

763
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 3: the most powerful things I learned, you know, as a

764
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 3: as a as a rookie coming out into my second.

765
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: Year, to know what the bad boy pistons was and

766
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: so forth on you get in there with Isaia and

767
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: Joe and the culture of it, that the style of

768
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: their play, because they still was trying to hold down

769
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: that bad boys style.

770
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: Man Like how I.

771
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 3: Was it was, it was right on the edge of

772
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 3: it because they were kind of coming out of it

773
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: and Lambert was still there, and it was it was

774
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 3: crazy to see, like the dynamic of those relationships. They

775
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: like they were boys, but they would go out and

776
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 3: in practice they would fight.

777
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 4: And you know, in practice.

778
00:36:54,840 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 5: When's the first time you saw a fighting practice like

779
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 5: what happened the first day you saw my house.

780
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 3: The first thing that happened was was Alvin. When I

781
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 3: saw Alvin Robertson getting into a Billy Billy McKinney, and

782
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 3: y'all know, Alvin had them hands, he had the claw

783
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I look. I was like, me and

784
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: Terry Mills are shooting free throws, just chilling, chilling, shooting

785
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: free throws, and I'm just like we just I was, oh, hey,

786
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 3: and over there, I see Alvin over there and they

787
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 3: had to pull Alvin and Billy McKinny that they're going there.

788
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, this is this is crazy. Then I

789
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 3: then one time it's it's this is when Isaiah right

790
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: before he toys a chilling My rookie year and Isaiah,

791
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 3: I think we were on the same team and he

792
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: sat and Bill and Beer sets a pick and He's

793
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: like Isaiah was like, come on now, come on, Lamb,

794
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 3: come on, Lamb, you know.

795
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 4: Like they really still like that. And next thing, you know, I.

796
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 3: Didn't see it, and Lamb said, what Isaiah, come up?

797
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 4: Yeah? I was like, yo, going the West side of

798
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 4: Chicago in the.

799
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: Build, it was it was like you know, and Joe

800
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: would get into it. You know, it was just like

801
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 3: one of them things where Okay, you could tell that

802
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 3: they were that was the way they competed, but that

803
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: you could tell that they were like, man, it's not

804
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 3: like this anymore. You could tell they were starting to

805
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 3: get a little different, right, And so we just took

806
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 3: it in right and learned how to just navigate it

807
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: all and like, yo, we know, but we knew like

808
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 3: this is this is different.

809
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 4: We gotta we gotta build on this.

810
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: You go to Detroit and the Knicks, and these are

811
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: two of the toughest franchises at the time. This is

812
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: not really your style of play, Like, how was that?

813
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: Like the physical of both of these teams, Like, didn't

814
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: did Detroit help you adjust.

815
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: When you got over there with with Ewing and Mason?

816
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think so.

817
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 3: I think playing for you in the SEC help first,

818
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 3: because you realize that you can still have like a

819
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: game that's not like physical in nature, but you still

820
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 3: have to have you still have to like know how

821
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: to do it right. And the biggest thing that I

822
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: learned coming from Detroit to New York was you learn

823
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 3: how to play physical, but it was much more technical

824
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: and detailed on the defensive side, right, So when I

825
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 3: got to New York, it was like it wasn't like

826
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 3: you're not capable. It's like you're focusing concentration on every

827
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 3: detail of defense. Whereas the stands, position, every every little

828
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 3: thing about the technical parts of the defense was really like, Okay,

829
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: that was a whole different level for me, you know,

830
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 3: and I'm a coach's son. You learned concepts, but how

831
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: you put him in place in every segment, So you

832
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 3: had to really start to become a much more of

833
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: a student of a game, you know.

834
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 4: And so.

835
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 3: That was my biggest adjustment that first half of my

836
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 3: first year coming to New York is you know, John,

837
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 3: playing against John every day in practice and him you

838
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: know every everything from how you follow a screen, getting

839
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 3: over a pick ball, screens like everything, how you put

840
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 3: your hand, what handed on a close out, like every

841
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 3: little detail and so that was That took me.

842
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 4: That took me about a year.

843
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: You know, my first half of my first year was

844
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 3: a big adjustment because I'm thinking like, Okay, I know

845
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to be thinking about scoring. You got big fellow,

846
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 3: big Patrick. You know, it's a different style. I mean

847
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 3: Grant me and Grant and Lindsey and THEO Ratliffe and

848
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 3: all these We kind of started to feel like a

849
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 3: little flow right of how we felt like we could

850
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: get better. And that changed, you know when I got

851
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 3: to New York. So I had to I had to

852
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 3: figure that out. And but most the biggest adjustment was

853
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 3: was just the technical part of every part of the game,

854
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: especially on the defensive side.

855
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,479
Speaker 5: I won't go back to go back to de trade

856
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 5: before we get to New York because I gotta asks.

857
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 5: I can remember I'm sending it the crib, watching the

858
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 5: dunk contest, my man age two.

859
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 2: Oh, how did you.

860
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 4: Come up with the you bounced man? First of all,

861
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 4: remember what I'm talking about. It bounced it over his

862
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 4: head like we had feedball.

863
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 5: On carp and shared with the group you what was

864
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 5: going on?

865
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 3: Now? How did you I thought it was a joke

866
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: For that they were asking me to be in a

867
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: dunk contest.

868
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 4: I'm calling my mom. I'm calling my mom.

869
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 3: You know when you when you're a rookie or whatever,

870
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: you're talking about going home for the All Star break.

871
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm literally on the floor on the phone

872
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 3: talking to my mom. And somebody from the league office

873
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 3: calls right and and I'm like, my hold on.

874
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 4: So she's like such and such.

875
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 3: You know, we know we want you to you know,

876
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 3: something something happened with an autate, we would have to

877
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 3: bring you in to be in a dunk contest. I said,

878
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 3: my hold on, one second, think somebody playing a joke

879
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 3: on me. But I gotta make sure. So I click

880
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 3: over and they like you said, when we be in

881
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: a dunk contest. I'm like, cool, all right, let's go.

882
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 3: So you know, I hadn't really practiced on being been

883
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 3: in a dunk contest. So so I'm trying to figure

884
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 3: out stuff. In the night before me, uh and my

885
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 3: cousin who was the best man of my wedd and

886
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 3: were just sitting in there like dude. He was like, dude,

887
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 3: you should just do something crazy. I just throw it

888
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 3: off the top of your head. I never practiced. I

889
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: never even thought about doing it. That's how it came up.

890
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: First night before. He was like, yo, you were your

891
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 3: best man said, you run out of stuff and it

892
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 3: just gets a little like scale, just throw it off

893
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 3: the top of.

894
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 4: Your head and just do something. I was like, all right,

895
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 4: that's that's how I came up.

896
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 5: Oh man, and then I won't know this still sticking

897
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 5: in Detroit real quick, Like when you how was it

898
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 5: when G Hill first showed up? Because we we know

899
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 5: how like you know this is this is that g Hill?

900
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 5: They walked through the door, so like you got to

901
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 5: see see, I.

902
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 3: Got a chance to play with you in the Summer USA,

903
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 3: so we got a chance to be roommates and really

904
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 3: got to count a chance to know each other. Like yeah,

905
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: we we were like you know, I knew you know

906
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 3: him and and I also knew him, like I remember

907
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 3: when he first came in in the first Summer Runs

908
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 3: and like you already knew. But then at that point

909
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 3: he had gotten better, gotten bigger, gotten stronger.

910
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 4: Faster, faster, and he had he had all that, you

911
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 4: know what I mean, and he was so explosive. Right.

912
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 3: That's the one thing that I think that was really

913
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 3: a game changer is at that size, he had the

914
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 3: handle and he covered so much ground and and it's

915
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 3: like defensively, he looked like he wasn't like all the

916
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: way like in the right position, but he was so

917
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: active and so on. So I was like, man, this

918
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: is gonna be crazy. So like we just kind of,

919
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: you know, we just started trying to connect so between

920
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 3: le me, Lindsay him, and we just were like how

921
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: we got to make this work. And you know, Doug

922
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: would always remind Doug would always remind us. Collins was like,

923
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 3: this is what I had did with Michael and Scottie

924
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: and you know, and every day it was like, I mean,

925
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: I gotta give it to him. He tried to challenge us,

926
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 3: but you're young, you know what I mean. Young, You're

927
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 3: trying to figure it out, your body, trying to figure

928
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 3: your body out.

929
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: When you see him first come in dunking on them

930
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: seven footas like that, because you know, you you were

931
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: in the league a couple of years and you know,

932
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: like you always got under there back then. It was

933
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: always somebody bigger than the power for over than everybody

934
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: else that's protecting the rim. To see him come in

935
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: and once he was getting to the rim, how he

936
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: was bodying guys after guys.

937
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 3: He was just something that we hadn't really seen, you

938
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 3: know what I mean. It was different man. Like again,

939
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 3: he would cover so.

940
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 4: Much ground, go over you, go around you, I.

941
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: Mean, transition forget it, Like we could just throw it

942
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 3: up to him. And he was an incredible playmaker, you

943
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So he had so much. It

944
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 3: wasn't like he was just an athlete that give it

945
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 3: to him on the wing and then let let him go. No,

946
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 3: he would get in transition. And so he changed, I

947
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 3: mean he changed everything. He changed like my game you know,

948
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 3: helped me so now I could kind of come off

949
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 3: and flow off of him, and he made me better.

950
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 3: He made everybody better, and I think he was able

951
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 3: to do it like instantly.

952
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 5: The cheat code was that how he could, like you say,

953
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 5: he had hit you from the like the the right

954
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 5: to left and then you blink and he on your

955
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 5: head boom boom, like you know what I'm saying, like legit,

956
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 5: hug you in the rim and like it was crazy,

957
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 5: Like I always think about that Zoe dunk when he

958
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 5: thinking and it was like literally like after the crossover,

959
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 5: it was so fast. It was like he crossed, and

960
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 5: he at the rim on, the rim on your head, like.

961
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 3: He had to cross over, and the spin you know

962
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 3: he had, he had all that had all.

963
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: That free will, like y'all like night and day, y'all

964
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: two totally different people, two totally different players, but the

965
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: way y'all played together always it seemed like both y'all

966
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: always liked to play together, and y'all fit off.

967
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 4: Respect.

968
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 3: It was love and respect. So I played against again.

969
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 3: I played against him in college. We went we had

970
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: battles in Alabama, Plaid Palace, you know, and.

971
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 5: Everybody went to Alabama was crazy.

972
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 4: Robinson Hollywood.

973
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 3: I mean, so when he when he came, like okay,

974
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 3: so we go from Alabama, had battles you know in Alabama,

975
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: Golden State battles and Golden State. So like that's a

976
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: matchup that we always knew we had to respect, you know,

977
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 3: you know, like at that time the two guards when

978
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 3: we were everybody.

979
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: I understand why they used to say he couldn't go

980
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: look and it was like, man, he getting buckets out here.

981
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 3: Miss because what he did, he was so good at

982
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 3: going right and he had such a good first step

983
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 3: that he didn't have to like try to figure out

984
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 3: how to go left. He just saw your angle, fam,

985
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 3: and he's there. He's already on that side. I mean,

986
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 3: he wasn't gonna go left and then make a next

987
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 3: second move, but he could still do a step back,

988
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

989
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 4: And all that.

990
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 3: But so but I think what helped us too is

991
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 3: and I remember when when Ernie Grunfell, who was a GM,

992
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 3: was telling me like, Okay, this is what I see.

993
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 3: He's like the Knicks had Earl Monroe and Clyde Frasier right,

994
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 3: he was like, you all could end up having an

995
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: impact to play together, because Clyde always talks about that.

996
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 3: He always talked about when he used to battle against

997
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: Earl and when Earl came how they just figured out

998
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: how to play together.

999
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,959
Speaker 4: Because they had so much respect for yourself a little man.

1000
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 3: So what we and Jeff would Jeff would like say

1001
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 3: like literally every I would say about once every week

1002
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 3: to ten days, we would we would play one on

1003
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 3: one and we would go at it twenty minutes, either

1004
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 3: after practice sometimes he would set up one on one

1005
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: drips just so we could go at it, you know

1006
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 3: what I mean. So we had such a respect for

1007
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 3: each other that when when game time came, we had

1008
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 3: kind of like battled against each other so much that

1009
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 3: it was like, yo, go kill him, you know what

1010
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 3: I mean. That's kind of how we felt, and we

1011
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 3: most times it was gonna be hard for for somebody

1012
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 3: to god both, Like one of us might have a

1013
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 3: tough defensive matchup, but it's gonna be hard for both.

1014
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 4: It's gonna be hard.

1015
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: Wit Spree Mill tell us like how people misunderstands him.

1016
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 3: So I think it's two ways that people misunderstood Spree.

1017
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 3: One is how intelligent he is. Yeah, Like if you

1018
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 3: sit and talk to Spree, you be like, yo, just

1019
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: do this, smart right, articulate, right, and just well thought,

1020
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 3: well versed, love technology, you know what I mean. He

1021
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 3: was always into you know, even back then, right, and man,

1022
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 3: just it was really just loyal, you know what I mean.

1023
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 3: And I think the one thing that I probably look

1024
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 3: back and wish i'd have probably done better is like, man,

1025
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 3: let's hang out a little more, right, you know, we

1026
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 3: hung out, but like, you know, they play video games

1027
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 3: and you know, him and Marcus and you know, and

1028
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 3: then you know, I was still trying to figure out

1029
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 3: my whole life, and you know, they're trying to get better.

1030
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 3: But like everybody goes through that, But I think people

1031
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 3: don't understand like how thought well, thought provoking. You know

1032
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 3: he can be just in a conversation or just talking

1033
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 3: and just just personal with people. I think he became guarded,

1034
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 3: so he didn't want let everybody see and know all that,

1035
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 3: because you probably felt like everybody was out after him.

1036
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 4: You know what I mean. But when you when you

1037
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 4: will when you down on him, this free's loyal.

1038
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: One of the best playoff series that I've ever seen.

1039
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 1: It was them Knicks in Miami Playoff Series.

1040
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 2: Like how was that?

1041
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: Like them the rival and like the physicalness, the emotions,

1042
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: the because every time I think about the playoff series,

1043
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: I just remember you run the down court and just

1044
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: singing real hard, like yeah, get y'all lass up out

1045
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: of here, you know you know what I'm saying, They

1046
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: like go home, this over with like the passion and

1047
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: like how y'all played them series? Like them two years

1048
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: that y'all went back and forth with them serious, like

1049
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: just that experience.

1050
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: Of basketball, that that that you had.

1051
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 4: A man, it was just raw.

1052
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 3: It was It's like you know, you know you'll have

1053
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 3: your kids and and they play against each other, and

1054
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 3: they play against each other so hard because they know each.

1055
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 4: Other so well.

1056
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 3: Like I wish you play this hard to gainst somebody else.

1057
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 3: You play hard against your brother. And I think that's

1058
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 3: how it was for us. We knew them so well.

1059
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 3: They knew us the whole, Riles and Jeff, the whole, everything,

1060
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 3: everything we were what made it so intense. I think

1061
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 3: it was because all the little rivalries Patrick Zo, you

1062
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 3: know what I mean, LJ Zo And you know I

1063
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 3: mean I remember, like.

1064
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 4: The whole we knew each other so well.

1065
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: They were doing the same thing, we had the same terminology,

1066
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: same culture. So it was almost like you playing against yourself.

1067
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 3: So because it's so hard, it's so it's it's intense.

1068
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 3: And then when we go to Miami, it was like

1069
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 3: it was crazy because we felt like we were playing

1070
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 3: in New York.

1071
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, because it's so meant, like you said, with those

1072
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 5: with all those little mini rivalries, how was it for you,

1073
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 5: like you in it, but you're not part of those

1074
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 5: little right, how was it for you to like feel

1075
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 5: that energy, like how heavy and how thick from all

1076
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 5: of those different little situations.

1077
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 3: Dude, I think it's like all those little things add

1078
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 3: fuel to the fire, and you isn't one big fire, right,

1079
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 3: So I may not have been part of that piece

1080
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 3: of fuel over here, but you're still part of the fire.

1081
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 3: And I think that's what it felt like. And then

1082
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 3: you know, that was a time when New York, when

1083
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 3: New York was so amped, you know, just as a

1084
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 3: city as that time, it was just you know, you

1085
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 3: just come off of the bulls, you know, the pacers.

1086
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 3: Now you're coming into this that's a whole new ourur.

1087
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 3: It's like you just kind of reinventing a new a

1088
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 3: new one. And it was just it was so every

1089
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 3: every possession, plus you gotta think about the way we

1090
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 3: played too, so that was a fact.

1091
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 2: It was like you.

1092
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 3: Didn't have a lot of the fast pace the game

1093
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 3: the I mean, it was such a slower pace and

1094
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 3: it was so much harder, Like we didn't do a

1095
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 3: lot of the multiple actions. And on offense, it now

1096
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 3: you gotta just face somebody man a man and just

1097
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 3: go at him when you lose.

1098
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 4: And so a lot of that. There was a lot

1099
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 4: of that.

1100
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 3: So I think it was that added to all the

1101
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 3: all the intensity of hitting.

1102
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: That shot though, like hitting that shot just like take

1103
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: us through the emotions and you know your teammates, you

1104
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: running down court, the teammates coming and give you the like,

1105
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: just how was fulfilling and just how was that moment

1106
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: for you?

1107
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: Well, prior to that shot, I had tipped in a

1108
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 3: shot that they didn't count right in the regular season

1109
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 3: and didn't have to replay, and I felt like, man,

1110
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 3: they should have that one should have counted. So we

1111
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 3: get to that moment. It was fulfilling too, because I

1112
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 3: didn't have a good game. And so I tell a

1113
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 3: lot of people, a lot of kids, like one possession

1114
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 3: of time because you don't know when that moment is

1115
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: gonna come. You don't know when the impact of one

1116
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 3: little play you can make can change everything. Don't think

1117
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 3: because oh man, I ain't shooting, the ball ain't over

1118
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 3: and didn't have a time out, and they knew we

1119
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 3: were gonna run. We knew it. It's just Charlie found

1120
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 3: me in on a little crease. I never really worked

1121
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 3: on runners like that, but it becomes a touch thing.

1122
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 3: And then got a good bounce and then once once

1123
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 3: the ball hit the rim, actually, if you watch, actually

1124
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 3: was ready to jump and tip it back because that's

1125
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 3: what happened.

1126
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 4: Then I hit the ball.

1127
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 3: I just I just hit At that point, man, I

1128
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 3: don't even you know, you just reacted. And I was

1129
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 3: trying to run back to the locker room.

1130
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,959
Speaker 2: History because they show that how like all the time

1131
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 2: tell me.

1132
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 3: I think people just you know, because I wasn't a

1133
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 3: real emotional guy. And then it just like everything comes

1134
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 3: out at one moment like that, just everything that went

1135
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 3: into the series, like you know, just the intensity you

1136
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 3: know of every moment. Like we said earlier, every every

1137
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 3: moment matters, everything, every little thing matters. So when it

1138
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 3: all kind of comes to a head like that, and

1139
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 3: and you know it's it's game five, you know, it's

1140
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 3: like you you you you live.

1141
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 5: I want to know about when the fight happened, when

1142
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 5: the brawl broke out and you had PJ flipping was

1143
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 5: it Charlie? And then you had j JVG dragging on

1144
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 5: the floor, like how what was your mental process when

1145
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 5: this was happening? And then I want to also a

1146
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 5: second question after the fact, when y'all literally like after

1147
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 5: everybody saw JGG being dragged out, what was y'all saying

1148
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 5: after the.

1149
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 6: Fact that that that's probably one of the biggest pain

1150
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 6: points of my career because that one moment, we had

1151
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 6: beat Chicago three out of four that regular season.

1152
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 3: That was the best team I ever been on. And

1153
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 3: we're of three to one, and that one thing happens,

1154
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 3: right and next thing, you know is like a blur.

1155
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 3: Next thing, you know, you know, a couple of people

1156
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 3: step over that line on the sideline and that's and

1157
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 3: then it just so happened because we were on our

1158
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 3: side and you see all these people, you know, I

1159
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 3: think it was three of our guys stepped across.

1160
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 4: One of theirs got got hit. We had six of

1161
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 4: ours get hit.

1162
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 3: Right, So I'm sitting you know, at home literally watching,

1163
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 3: you know, I think it was Game six, you know.

1164
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 3: Then we we lose Game seven, and so all I

1165
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 3: could think about was is what if you know what

1166
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 3: I mean, because that was the best team. You know,

1167
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 3: we were up, we were in control of the series,

1168
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 3: and that happened. And then but the whole the whole

1169
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 3: thing with with Jeff is at any moment during that

1170
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 3: series you just felt like something.

1171
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 4: Could happen and.

1172
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 3: You got, Yeah, you got the tension, you got their history,

1173
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 3: you got the physicality, you got I mean, at any point,

1174
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, it was just a physical series,

1175
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 3: and it wasn't really surprised when things broke out. It

1176
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 3: was just it was just like a matter of okay,

1177
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 3: how's it going. All right, how's it going? You know,

1178
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 3: disperse and clean itself up. Well, Jeff, the whole that

1179
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 3: cleaned itself up is different than we expected.

1180
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: You know, the history of your grandfather like him working,

1181
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: him working in the mill, and your pops, what he

1182
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: had to go through to get to where he at.

1183
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: When you first heard that they're finna give you one

1184
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars, like, give you one hundred million dollars,

1185
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: and knowing what your family then went through, your pops,

1186
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: your mom, like you know, they don't just say they

1187
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: don't say a hundred million out.

1188
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 4: There with a lot of people. Yeah, they say a hundred.

1189
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 3: And then yeah, And then it was obviously not as

1190
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 3: common and prevalent at.

1191
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 4: That time, not kind.

1192
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 3: I mean, it was surreal, man, Like I remember signing

1193
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 3: on the top of the World Trades Did you get there?

1194
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 2: You get there?

1195
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 5: Right? That man said he's signed on top of the

1196
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 5: World Trade Center. Yeah, that's a bar in itself, you

1197
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 5: feel me. Yeah, that's that's that's where it was, come on, man,

1198
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 5: how that feel when you really just sitting there when you.

1199
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 3: Like, I don't even know if you I can really

1200
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,479
Speaker 3: still process it really, you know what I mean?

1201
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 4: It's it's one thing, you know, I signed forty eighty thought.

1202
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: I was.

1203
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Ma, honey, would have maybe

1204
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 5: talk to my sister right now?

1205
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's yeah, I don't even it's still hard

1206
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 3: to it's still is hard to process it because you know,

1207
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 3: you don't you never really expected that, but for.

1208
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: The organization to commit to you, like, how did that

1209
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: makes you just feel?

1210
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 4: All around?

1211
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 3: One thing that I look back and like, you know

1212
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 3: what you said is important because you don't do that

1213
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 3: at that time unless you really trust that someone cannot

1214
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 3: just be the type of person that can, like you know,

1215
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 3: be a good representative, but like be consistent enough. And

1216
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 3: I think then you don't. You didn't get that so

1217
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 3: much on potential at that point. You get it on

1218
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 3: what you kind of what you've done already. So I

1219
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 3: think that's what made it feel good, is that you know,

1220
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 3: all the thing that came that comes with came with

1221
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 3: being a nick you know, all the other stuff, And

1222
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 3: I felt like it was it was are you are

1223
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 3: you going to be a good rep. So it's so

1224
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 3: even to this day. Like people talk about from a

1225
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 3: culture right development, you talk about the coaches and the staff.

1226
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 3: To me, the most important part of a culture and

1227
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 3: development is the best players because they set they set

1228
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 3: the tone for the younger players coming in and how

1229
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 3: they perceived their job and you know, and and build.

1230
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 3: So I felt like at that point that was my responsibility.

1231
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 5: Tell me about how, like, cause you are a guy

1232
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 5: that that obviously six year, hundred million front of the Knicks,

1233
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 5: you you came, you came to New York and you

1234
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 5: faced it and you were successful. You were able to

1235
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 5: you were able to hoop, You were able to be

1236
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:13,439
Speaker 5: who you are and help the team be successful. Tell

1237
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 5: me about how how you guys approached it as far

1238
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 5: as like you know, the whole narrative that superstars don't

1239
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 5: want to come here, they scared of New York. CEE,

1240
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 5: tell me why you were able to come here and

1241
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 5: not worry and be successful and play and not have

1242
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 5: any of that noise really affect you or impact you

1243
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 5: or you know, steer you from coming here like not

1244
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 5: one Like you know, a lot of people say that

1245
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 5: they don't want to come here because of different things.

1246
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 4: But back then it was still you know, New York.

1247
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 4: Well this is what it's been.

1248
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 3: So I think for me the big thing was I

1249
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 3: remember when Patrick Ewing came and picked me up on

1250
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 3: a jet right oh, and.

1251
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 4: As a free agent. It was me and my dad

1252
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 4: sitting sitting on that plane, sitting right from the big guns.

1253
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 3: Big Pat came in and I'm like, okay, so Pat,

1254
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 3: my father was reminded big path of of when Louisville

1255
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 3: played them in Georgetown, like yo, you you golden in

1256
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 3: the first six.

1257
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 4: So so I'm like, all right, let's get through this.

1258
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 3: I don't say that. So but for him to like

1259
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 3: say like I need you right was was was impul Right,

1260
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 3: we gotta we got another step, we gotta get to

1261
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 3: like they had just lost in ninety four and you know,

1262
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 3: and they were like no, we So that was like

1263
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,919
Speaker 3: it was almost like man, like I'm needed for this call.

1264
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 4: It was a call.

1265
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 3: It felt like more of a call than like do

1266
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 3: I am. I worried about what happens. And another thing

1267
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 3: for me is like I had always I had felt

1268
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 3: like people doubted me a little bit in terms of

1269
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 3: can he do this? So I took it as a

1270
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 3: challenge because I wanted to show, like it's not about

1271
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 3: the physical part, it's the mental part. And I wanted

1272
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 3: to like embrace that. Now that was hard, you know,

1273
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 3: it was tough because you know, I heard, you're gonna

1274
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 3: get booed, you know, Alan Hustless, You're gonna get all

1275
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 3: that right. And I think what helped me was then

1276
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 3: just you know, just just my faith and the foundation

1277
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 3: of like we talked about earthly, about the fundamentals of

1278
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 3: master who you are, God know who you are. Can't

1279
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 3: get caught up in other stuff. So by the time

1280
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 3: you get to the point where you're playing with other

1281
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 3: great players, that's another thing, Like you don't want to

1282
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 3: go somewhere, especially here, if you're not playing with other

1283
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 3: really good players. But we had that, like we had

1284
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 3: so I was okay with all right, my job is

1285
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,439
Speaker 3: to figure it out and then take take where take

1286
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 3: it where it's supposed to go. After that, right, you know,

1287
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 3: just the tone was set, like the foundation was laid

1288
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 3: for me.

1289
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the thing that I'm that I look

1290
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 5: at that people don't probably don't understand.

1291
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 4: It's crazy.

1292
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 5: It's like you win eighty one games, eighty two games,

1293
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 5: fifty games and the condensed which was all all.

1294
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 3: We played three three three three games, three and three

1295
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 3: nights in the road doing that lockout, and.

1296
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 5: So you play all of them games and you play

1297
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 5: eighty two, Like, like what would talk about how it

1298
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 5: was for you because you didn't miss games? Like obviously

1299
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 5: we not in that same time zone, but like when

1300
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 5: you look at that, like in that physical type of

1301
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 5: an NBA for you to play eighty one, eighty two,

1302
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 5: fifty eighty two and not miss games, talk about that

1303
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 5: mindset that you had and how how that was, especially

1304
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 5: because it was so much different as far as the

1305
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 5: physicality of the league.

1306
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 4: Well, I think you said to me it was just

1307
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 4: a mindset.

1308
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 3: I think you you know, I think for seven seasons

1309
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 3: I missed like in game exactly.

1310
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 4: It's ridiculous in that era.

1311
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think it was like I just had

1312
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 3: it in my mind. Like I think practicing, we practiced too,

1313
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 3: Like back.

1314
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 4: In the day, we practice, you know practice, jeff.

1315
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 5: Old van Gundhy that will hold a week practice. A

1316
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 5: week practice is not week, they say week, and it's

1317
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 5: still be bullshit.

1318
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, I promise you.

1319
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 2: This is a city boy. You're a country boy like me.

1320
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 4: Small town city boys up city boy.

1321
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: What about New York that you you fell in love with,

1322
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: that you wanted to raise your family here, that you

1323
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: come back after you retired, You know what I'm saying.

1324
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 2: And you've been here because.

1325
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: I don't like big cities. I'm not like, I like

1326
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 1: no traffic. I like to get where I need to

1327
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 1: get at. Like what made New York?

1328
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 4: It was my wife? Yeah, she so, she her happy. Listen.

1329
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 3: She we met in Detroit, but her family, her mother's

1330
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 3: side of the family, is the East Coast from here.

1331
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:17,959
Speaker 3: And I think that once I did sign that last deal,

1332
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 3: I felt like, Okay, how can I make this something

1333
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 3: bigger than just okay? You played as a nick like,

1334
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 3: how can I figure out how to do something?

1335
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 4: Like?

1336
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 3: Think about if you're trying to do anything in business,

1337
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 3: you're trying to do anything, You're going to have a

1338
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:36,479
Speaker 3: place where it's culture, whether it's whatever you're doing, it's

1339
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 3: going to be here. So I figured, Okay, at this point,

1340
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 3: if you really want to make it home, make an impact,

1341
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 3: you know it's here, you know, and capitalize on some

1342
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 3: of the things I was able to do. But I

1343
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 3: think the challenge, it was really part of the challenge

1344
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 3: too of being in New York. They say, if you're

1345
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 3: making New York, you can make it anywhere. And I

1346
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 3: felt like, let's take the challenge on trying to keep going,

1347
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 3: keep going, keep making an impact.

1348
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: What was the first time you played against Mike, Like, like,

1349
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: how was that for you to play against Jordan's.

1350
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 3: The first time was sophomore in college at his camp.

1351
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 3: Remember that the Jordan count pick up Chicago, Chicago. I

1352
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 3: was out of Yeah, that Purdue or somewhere around there,

1353
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 3: somebody Amhurst. But that was the first time.

1354
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 4: And then.

1355
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 3: You know when we probably played against him the Dream Team,

1356
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 3: you know, that whole.

1357
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 4: Situation was was was amazing.

1358
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,919
Speaker 5: This is what Jamal Mashburn was talking about. Yeah, through

1359
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 5: and and Bird talked back to.

1360
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 4: Let me, let me come on, come on, come on,

1361
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 4: come on, come on, give me the Allen Houston record.

1362
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 1: Let's hear about them. And then the retaliation.

1363
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, the retaliation is always the end of the story, right.

1364
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 3: I Mean what I remember most is the three four days,

1365
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 3: like like the prep, like you go in and and

1366
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 3: like it's like this this veil you can't go behind

1367
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 3: or see yet you playing practicing for three days and

1368
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 3: we praying like it was really cool, you know, getting

1369
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 3: to play with with Mash and Penny, you know, and

1370
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 3: see Webb and Hurley and Grant like that was crazy.

1371
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 3: So we're practicing and then finally we get to the

1372
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 3: gym and they take us up to this this like lawful.

1373
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,479
Speaker 3: You're looking down on it, like and then you see

1374
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 3: the first three plays, like you see Mike strip, somebody

1375
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 3: go up and dunk.

1376
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 4: Then you see Clyde.

1377
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 3: Then you just see you know, you see big Fella

1378
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 3: and Patrick going at it, and.

1379
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 4: You just see like magic. It's like, man, what is this.

1380
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 3: It's like it's like it's like you're just seeing all

1381
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 3: these and they going at it.

1382
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 4: You're going at it all your childhood.

1383
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 3: You're just looking like, yo, this is gonna be crazy.

1384
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 3: So what they told us is like, look, they haven't

1385
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 3: really played against European style much. So for us it

1386
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 3: was like go out and just play, you know, move

1387
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 3: the ball. They're gonna play some song, Just run, just play.

1388
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 3: They don't know you, so our thing was let's just play.

1389
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 3: They don't they don't really they can't size us up

1390
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:18,600
Speaker 3: and say like force us this way, this way. So

1391
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 3: it's like drive kick, just play, get up and down.

1392
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 3: We didn't have nothing to lose, right, So we get

1393
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 3: up and we start we start finding the rhythm.

1394
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 4: You know, guys just you.

1395
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 3: Know, penny pennies penning, people's on the glass, you know,

1396
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 3: see what's doing this thing, and Bobby's just penetration put,

1397
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 3: you know, and and I hit a couple of threes,

1398
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 3: and and next thing, you know, like we're feeling like

1399
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 3: a little rhythm, and like you could tell like, all right,

1400
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:50,719
Speaker 3: they they're kind of like they're they're treating it serious,

1401
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 3: but you could tell that it's kind of like still

1402
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 3: trying to size everything up.

1403
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 4: Right.

1404
01:08:55,080 --> 01:09:00,799
Speaker 3: So at one point, you know, the clock clock stops.

1405
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 3: They said, all right, let's stop the clock. And we

1406
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 3: look up and like were up, and we were up,

1407
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 3: you know, and at that point we're looking around like

1408
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 3: what we're gonna do.

1409
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 4: Like what's going on? It?

1410
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 3: It was kind of quiet, yeah, And so we played

1411
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 3: a few more minutes and then that was it.

1412
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 4: They just shut it, shut it down. Right.

1413
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 3: So you know, after after practice, you know, everybody's getting

1414
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 3: the shots up and you can see getting the shots up,

1415
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 3: and we get back to the hotel and and it's

1416
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 3: time for us talk.

1417
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, we just you.

1418
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 3: Know, walking around and you know we're like, whos gona

1419
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 3: like a'body gonna say something.

1420
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 2: But it was.

1421
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 4: Like it wasn't like officially like.

1422
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 2: We won, but we knew we got that.

1423
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 4: We just beat the dreams.

1424
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 3: So and I remember Bird getting off the elevators like, uh,

1425
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 3: see all tomorrow, young fellas, see all tomorrow. And it

1426
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,719
Speaker 3: was like that was like it wasn't like a looking

1427
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 3: forward senior tomorrow. I was like, no, it was like

1428
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 3: a sea all tomorrow.

1429
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 4: Man.

1430
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 3: The next day, the next day it was it was

1431
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 3: we were like like and golden and go out.

1432
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,640
Speaker 4: Listen man. Yeah, it was different. It was different. It

1433
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 4: was different that day. Yeah, you could tell that.

1434
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 3: You know, they were like, come on now, we're gonna

1435
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 3: we're gonna let let's let y'all know.

1436
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 4: Who we really are.

1437
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,799
Speaker 3: But but it was you for that for a moment,

1438
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 3: you could tell like this was different because they hadn't

1439
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 3: played you know, European style Zone all that, so you

1440
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 3: could tell they couldn't they used to like knowing what

1441
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 3: this guy is gonna do.

1442
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take advantage of this matchup.

1443
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 3: Couldn't do that because they hadn't seen us play and

1444
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 3: we were just out there this this this balling.

1445
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 5: I won't tell you back the ninety nine, two thousand, yo,

1446
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 5: when you made your first All Star, Like that year

1447
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 5: it was like a crazy year.

1448
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 4: You made the first All Star.

1449
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 5: Then you go into the sun and you you on

1450
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 5: Dream Team three, Like tell me about like as far

1451
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 5: as like nothing else but basketball, Like after that year,

1452
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 5: after making All Star, playing all eighty two games, then

1453
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 5: you get selected to the Dream Team, Like what was

1454
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 5: that like for you? Like being that you played against

1455
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 5: the original Dream Team in college and like everything come

1456
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 5: full circle this show first All Star, you at you in.

1457
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 4: The NBA playing at the highest level.

1458
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 5: You achieved All Star, then you achieved everybody know, like

1459
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 5: all starts one thing. All NBA is one thing. When

1460
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 5: you get picked for the Olympic team, that's a whole

1461
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 5: other level. Like how was that year in totality? Like basketball?

1462
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:37,799
Speaker 4: So all that being said, my daughter was born the day.

1463
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 3: After we won the Eastern Conference championship. First Chapter, girl,

1464
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 3: Trump everything. So like to answer your question, it was

1465
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 3: all sober. Well I remember going she was born on Saturday.

1466
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 3: The game was on Friday night, we have to leave

1467
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 3: to go to San Antonio Sunday.

1468
01:11:58,880 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 4: Right.

1469
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,639
Speaker 3: I remember walking to my bathroom and it all hit

1470
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 3: me in one time, and I just stood in front

1471
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:10,560
Speaker 3: of mer and I was bawling, like literally, ball uncontrolled.

1472
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 3: I was bo I was like, you know, you you

1473
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 3: made All Star Team, you know, and this is before

1474
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 3: the Olympics. Like then, you know, then you go to

1475
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 3: the finals and your daughter, your first child's boys like

1476
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 3: what happened?

1477
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 2: You know?

1478
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, like then you go and then that next summer,

1479
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 3: the following summer, you like the all start. We made

1480
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 3: the All Star Team again in two thousand and then

1481
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,719
Speaker 3: we go to the Olympics and those you know, those

1482
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 3: three years. What happens is you think about all the

1483
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 3: work right that you put in and the people put

1484
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 3: in with you and for you, you know, my sisters,

1485
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,640
Speaker 3: you know, driving in an old van down to Millersville,

1486
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 3: Georgia to go to Bacy basketball camp, right, and and

1487
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 3: all those sacrifices of everybody made for you. How it

1488
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 3: kind of comes like this is a moment that you like,

1489
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 3: all right, God, like make sure I'll mess this up.

1490
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking, Like, just just just make

1491
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 3: sure you maximize it because you don't know how long

1492
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:09,759
Speaker 3: that was last How.

1493
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 5: Was when you got the call for the for the

1494
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 5: Olympic team, Like like what was that like?

1495
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 3: So ninety nine we had to qualify. I remember ninety

1496
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 3: eight the USA team lost in Greece, so ninety nine

1497
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 3: we had to go qualify for the Olympics and ninety

1498
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 3: nine down in Puerto Rico. So that was you know,

1499
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 3: Rip Hamilton was on that Tim Duncan we had, you know,

1500
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 3: So that was when I'm like, okay, we win that one.

1501
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 3: And then that's when I figured, okay, we do take

1502
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 3: care of business. I'll probably get a chance to go

1503
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 3: back in two thousand. But too, you know, the two

1504
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 3: thousand Olympics was crazy, man. You know he played the

1505
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 3: whole summer with these guys, you know, with Ray Charif

1506
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 3: you know GP, you know Stedie Smith Soul, I mean

1507
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 3: Jay Kidd, I mean you spend you spending a whole

1508
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 3: summer with him and getting to know him, hanging Kate,

1509
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,560
Speaker 3: you know KG on the bus, like you knew you

1510
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:06,759
Speaker 3: were gonna get something on the bus.

1511
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 4: You're every day with KG, you know what I mean.

1512
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 3: It was just like going through that that whole experience

1513
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 3: and going to Asia, going to Melbourne, Melbourne, going to Sydney. Yeah, man,

1514
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 3: and and you know you put that gold medal in

1515
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 3: your hand and you take a bite of it.

1516
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 4: You're like, yeah, this is real.

1517
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 1: You can't when you decided to try to make a comeback,

1518
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 1: was you tripping When you look back on it now,

1519
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 1: was you tripping? Or was you feel like, yeah, I

1520
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: could I could have made that team.

1521
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 4: I think the only thing that yeah, I do that.

1522
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I would love to hear his perspective

1523
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 3: because my thing is like I feel like I think

1524
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 3: training camp wasn't gonna I wasn't gonna do training camp.

1525
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 3: Like if I would have tried to come back maybe

1526
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 3: in middle C and play a different schedule, maybe, but

1527
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 3: I just think it was time. Like I just think

1528
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 3: it was that time. Like, you know, could I play

1529
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 3: like in Europe once a week or something? Yeah, maybe,

1530
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 3: but it was a grime man.

1531
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think.

1532
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 5: I think what he's saying is like possibly because of

1533
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 5: things weren't the way they are now. If they were

1534
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 5: the way they are now, the way people you know,

1535
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 5: they do all of this rest and they playing things

1536
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 5: and they hey, you're gonna you're gonna play this game

1537
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 5: and selling that.

1538
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 4: Back then we didn't have that.

1539
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 5: We was like when you back, you back you playing

1540
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 5: and if you're gonna practice, you can practice the whole time.

1541
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,639
Speaker 4: And like we had Larry Brown, bro.

1542
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 5: Like that wasn't like you know what I'm saying, because

1543
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 5: the jumper was wet as ever we were shooting due shooting

1544
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 5: at thee That wasn't that. It was just like you

1545
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like he said, like you know

1546
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:52,919
Speaker 5: you had to So it's like he couldn't. He couldn't,

1547
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,600
Speaker 5: Like but like he could have played in games and

1548
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 5: been a threat, yeah, just because all he gotta do

1549
01:15:58,439 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 5: is get.

1550
01:15:58,680 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 4: It warmed up.

1551
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 5: But it's like, you know he at that point, the

1552
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 5: technology wasn't where it is now for you to be

1553
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 5: out like where you got the little the little venom

1554
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 5: joint where you just sit on the sideline this warm

1555
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 5: y your knee up while you just sitting stealing.

1556
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 4: So we ain't have a hall let. So like if

1557
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 4: he would have had.

1558
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,680
Speaker 5: That type of technology and equipment and been able to

1559
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 5: rip it up like he could have because we saw

1560
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 5: like it was like when he first started Fucker oh

1561
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 5: ship they shoot out back, but it was like as

1562
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 5: the gruel and the grind went down, his knee was

1563
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 5: affected and he was able to do less and less,

1564
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 5: but the jumper never wane.

1565
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 4: Getting it off. It was just getting it off.

1566
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: To see this era, the way they shoot threes and

1567
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:37,679
Speaker 1: you being one of the best three point shooters.

1568
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,839
Speaker 2: Ever, how you look at this era.

1569
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,759
Speaker 1: And just the three points of it, like them shooting

1570
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 1: the way they shooting. You know, you know I used

1571
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 1: to get two or three up a game. Steph Curry

1572
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 1: just his six in the first quarter.

1573
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I get that question a lot, like

1574
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 3: what what would you like? How would you how would

1575
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 3: you play in this game this era? Like would you

1576
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 3: I probably would have shot more three.

1577
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 2: Or probably what point you shut the dump?

1578
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1579
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 3: I mean, but you know, the way again, the way

1580
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 3: we came up is you have different areas on the

1581
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 3: court you got to explore. And I kind of like

1582
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 3: have to catch myself and tell other people, like, be

1583
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 3: careful because some of it is not just just running

1584
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:22,520
Speaker 3: around shooting threes. It's like where can you take advantage

1585
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 3: of the defense, Where can you take advantage of your matchup?

1586
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:27,719
Speaker 3: Sometime it might be in a different area the floor

1587
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 3: just to have the balance, but yeah, I'll probably you know,

1588
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 3: I look at it now. What I'm amazed honestly is

1589
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 3: the depth, right, how they shoot it, like from so

1590
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:43,679
Speaker 3: deep and with and like they come off full speed,

1591
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 3: Like it's like we come off of pindown when we

1592
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 3: used to come off a pindown for fifteen feet and

1593
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 3: we come up and just but they do that from

1594
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 3: twenty five feet and in the type of shape you

1595
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 3: know that you gotta be in, you know to play

1596
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 3: today's game. Yeah, like you gotta have your legs, you

1597
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 3: got a balance. But it's like anything, the more you

1598
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 3: push yourself to do something, your mind will will adjust.

1599
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 4: And I think that's what's happened.

1600
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 3: These guys are pushing themselves to the limits to do

1601
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 3: stuff that we probably didn't even think about doing.

1602
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 2: Who came up with the H two O on the shoes?

1603
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 5: First of all, let me say that this is probably

1604
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 5: one of the most appropriate nicknames that you could have

1605
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 5: ever that anybody could have ever given anybody. When we

1606
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 5: saw that age two oh on your shoes and you

1607
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 5: already know like were young boy, like you already know

1608
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 5: we jump a water saw that boy, I said, oh

1609
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 5: my god, me and the key.

1610
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 4: I was, we was, we was out there. Oh my god, like.

1611
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 5: Shoes like boy, like if that ain't appropriate, Like this

1612
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 5: is the.

1613
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 2: Coldest nickname hitting every jumping your ship.

1614
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 5: It's like it's so many different isms with it mean water,

1615
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,679
Speaker 5: but it's also his name is Houston and his number

1616
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 5: is twenty.

1617
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 4: It's like, what come on, bro, Like it's too much.

1618
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 4: It was too much. Now.

1619
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 3: What happened was my cousin he actually made He actually

1620
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 3: made made something and had the h in the twenty

1621
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 3: and I was like, wait a minute, is that two?

1622
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 3: I said, wait a minute, that's kind of crazy, right,

1623
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 3: And then he made this logo. He made a silhouette

1624
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 3: of me shooting, and he made a shirt, and then

1625
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 3: he put the garden right, he put the garden and

1626
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 3: the whole like, then he made a garden and he

1627
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 3: made my my jump shot rain water on top of

1628
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:33,599
Speaker 3: Mighty Madison Square garden.

1629
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I came up.

1630
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 3: But a lot of people thought it was age twenty

1631
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:42,560
Speaker 3: at first, and I was like, is that.

1632
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 2: I was like, yes, he knew what it was as

1633
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 2: soon as we've seen it. It was like, oh man,

1634
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 2: he got that on it. That's that's crazy.

1635
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 1: Knowing your history and like I said, you say with

1636
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali and you know what your following them They

1637
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 1: couldn't you know, being at a school where they couldn't

1638
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 1: go to the school or even being on the campus.

1639
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 1: So now you know your father the first black coach

1640
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 1: the too to help out with President Obama and you

1641
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 1: know his fundraisers and all the stuff he does to

1642
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 1: be the first black president to be a part of that.

1643
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 2: Like, how was that for you? That experience to to

1644
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:18,720
Speaker 2: get into that.

1645
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 3: Well, we got a call from the Urban League up

1646
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 3: in Connecticut that said, hey, man, a campaign might want

1647
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 3: to do something at your house. I'm like like what, like, yeah,

1648
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 3: what we gotta do? You know what I mean, Let's go,

1649
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 3: And man, it was amazing.

1650
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 4: So we we.

1651
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 3: One of the things I remember the most is we

1652
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,440
Speaker 3: were going down there. When you go down these stairs,

1653
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 3: you can see our basketball court and before you go

1654
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 3: out to the outside where people were, you know, we're

1655
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 3: talking and uh, I was like I knew he liked

1656
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 3: the hoop and I'm like, should I even like, like

1657
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 3: let him see that, like point to it, you know

1658
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 3: what I mean? And he any, We went down the

1659
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 3: little alley way went down and says. He said, I

1660
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 3: don't want to get into the little bulls next rivalries

1661
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 3: right now. So that's how that's that's all that was.

1662
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 3: But man, just yeah, man, I mean you think about

1663
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 3: like the magnitude of that and just just like three

1664
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 3: days ago, my son didn't my ten year old son

1665
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:25,639
Speaker 3: didn't know anything about it, and he saw a picture

1666
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 3: of him in the house.

1667
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 4: He's like, wait a minute, that is he He was

1668
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 4: he here in the crib, right, he was here.

1669
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 3: And he was like, yeah, man, And so you think

1670
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 3: about you know, he did his Buddies with the other

1671
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 3: dude in his class, did a project on President Obama.

1672
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 3: And I'm like, he can say, yeah, he was here.

1673
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 3: But I think the just the way he was so witty.

1674
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 3: And I got a chance to work with Craig like

1675
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 3: his brother in law, you know, for a couple years,

1676
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 3: who was with the Knicks, and and you got to really,

1677
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 3: you know, just get a just get a real sense

1678
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 3: of like how real, how real he is, you know

1679
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:00,799
Speaker 3: what I mean, how really is as a person.

1680
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 5: That's crazy because we had Vince Vince on and Vince

1681
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 5: had an event in Orlando where the same thing.

1682
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 4: They came to the house and It's.

1683
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 5: Like my thing that I said the Vince is that

1684
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 5: I can say the same thing to you that, like,

1685
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 5: you only really get that call from him and the

1686
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 5: administration when you have the facilities as far as like

1687
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 5: the house to outfit accommodate. So we know that everybody

1688
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 5: in this situation is very, very blessed. The fact that

1689
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 5: you came down a little staircase and it was a

1690
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:33,439
Speaker 5: little glance over there at an end or the court,

1691
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, the whole court.

1692
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 4: You know, we ain't gonna.

1693
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 1: Talk about all that, but you know, to receive an

1694
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 1: award from that, you know you'll contribute to that. To

1695
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 1: receive an award for what you do and how you

1696
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 1: carry yourself, you and your family and how you represent yourself.

1697
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 2: In that way, Like what did that reward mean in.

1698
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 3: You service and engage in a reserving man? I think

1699
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 3: it just goes back to that word legacy.

1700
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 4: Man.

1701
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,040
Speaker 3: You know, it's like what I try to tell a

1702
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 3: lot of the young people, is your legacy and about

1703
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 3: some old dude looking back on what they did. It's

1704
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 3: about you something you building. Now you're building a legacy,

1705
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 3: right and you know, like I heard it hit me

1706
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:17,640
Speaker 3: when Jimmy Butler got interviewed, right and she said, man,

1707
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:19,799
Speaker 3: d Wade hit me and he's like, man, keep building

1708
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 3: your legacy. So like we're constantly doing that every day,

1709
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 3: like we're always recreating, we're creating who we want to be.

1710
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 3: And the fact that I had those examples.

1711
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 4: You know, my.

1712
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 3: Great grand my grandfather on my mother's side was on

1713
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:38,680
Speaker 3: an all time winning as coaches in Kentucky history, won

1714
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 3: eight hundred and fifty six games and it was like

1715
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:45,679
Speaker 3: one Nigro National championship in Kentucky. So I think it's

1716
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 3: like the whole idea of service and coaching and just

1717
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 3: like helping the next generation.

1718
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:54,919
Speaker 4: Elevate.

1719
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 3: It is just you know, it's part of who you are.

1720
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:58,679
Speaker 3: It's not even like something you think about doing.

1721
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 5: I feel like this is perfect time to ask about

1722
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 5: Thistle and the Allan Houston Youth Legacy Foundation, because we're

1723
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 5: talking about legacy, Like what what prompted you to, you know,

1724
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 5: to found and start up these you know, initiatives to

1725
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 5: help you know, youth in a those be leaders.

1726
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I mean I feel like

1727
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 4: I can. Yeah, man, everybody talked about it.

1728
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 5: You ain't spoken, but like just for everybody else, what

1729
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 5: what made you want to you know, put these put

1730
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 5: these things in place to try and you know, mobilize

1731
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 5: and help people out there.

1732
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 4: In the world.

1733
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 3: I mean, it really comes back to what we just discussed,

1734
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 3: you know when my I remember one day leaving practice,

1735
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:42,640
Speaker 3: leaving practice, and it just hit me like, think about like,

1736
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 3: how many you know we talked about this earlier about fatherhood, right,

1737
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 3: how many of our peers can say they were able

1738
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 3: to experience what we can provide our kids the father

1739
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:56,680
Speaker 3: that just their present can be there with them. So

1740
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:58,640
Speaker 3: I hit my dad, I'm like, wait a minute, how

1741
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 3: many how many of my team make some peers can

1742
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 3: say to it that we had that. So we tad

1743
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 3: this conversation like we need to do some camps, We

1744
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 3: need to do something to teach and help young men

1745
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 3: be mentors fathers. So then we did these retreats and

1746
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 3: the stories that would come out of like a young

1747
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 3: man and never had that conversation with his dad right

1748
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 3: sleeping in the bed, sleeping at night, teaching them a

1749
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 3: jump shot in the daytime, but having that experience. And

1750
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 3: so what happened was I was on a plane after

1751
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 3: that and just five words just came to my head, right, faith, integrity, sacrifice, leadership,

1752
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 3: and legacy, And I started thinking, like, those are the fundamentals.

1753
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 3: So when we talked about the fundamentals earlier done, you

1754
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 3: need got to have fundamentals of life, just principles to

1755
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 3: like give you a strategy and a toolbox. Right, So

1756
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 3: we just started doing that and created this whole platform

1757
01:25:55,280 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 3: so that these conversations can be what we call a

1758
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 3: lens and a mirror. Right, So you got to have

1759
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 3: a lens through which to see your values and how

1760
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 3: you see life, but you also got a mirror. So

1761
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 3: like am I measuring up to that? Am I looking

1762
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 3: at myself and doing it? So when I went to

1763
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 3: the NBA, and I always love fashion, you know, and

1764
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 3: and I had a chance to get a fashion a

1765
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 3: pair of license, you know, with the league.

1766
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 4: So now we got NBA, we got Major League Baseball,

1767
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 4: so it's just all they need to come by that,

1768
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 4: you know.

1769
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 3: So it's now we got colleges. We're about to do

1770
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 3: something with HBCUs. So it's really about having the young

1771
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:38,639
Speaker 3: because our young people. We notice like young people now

1772
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 3: they're not in anything fake. They're trying to figure out

1773
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 3: what how can I really make a difference and how

1774
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 3: can I lead in culture? So you only lead in

1775
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 3: culture the same way when we went in the gym,

1776
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:55,719
Speaker 3: we saw somebody else that's doing it that we can like, Okay,

1777
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 3: I want to do that. So you got to You

1778
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 3: got to create a model where young people can step

1779
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 3: into something that they want to be like.

1780
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 4: And it's a lot of time.

1781
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 3: It has to do with what you're doing, using media,

1782
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 3: using a platform, using fashion, Like you can't just say

1783
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 3: these words. They have to see what they look like,

1784
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:16,640
Speaker 3: you know, And I think that's really what phizzle is.

1785
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 3: It's about giving them that that mindset that they can

1786
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 3: have to develop into something to make a real impact,

1787
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 3: you know, to maximize that.

1788
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 4: Tell me you got you got seven kids?

1789
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 5: Tell me why it's so important for real fathers to

1790
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 5: get that notoriety and for us to be present in

1791
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 5: our kids' lives.

1792
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 3: Honestly, father fatherhood is so deep, right, I think it's

1793
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 3: at the core of a man's identity. You know, when

1794
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 3: I look at my relationship with my dad, all the

1795
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 3: stuff that I've accomplished, people say, why don't you talk

1796
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 3: about your mom? So, first of all, my mother is

1797
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 3: a beast, right, she ran, She ran a company while

1798
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 3: my father was coaching. She ran everything. But it was

1799
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 3: like my father, I got to see how he treated her,

1800
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 3: how he elevated her, how he respected and advanced her.

1801
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 3: I think it's I just think it's our children didn't

1802
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 3: ask to be here, right, Like that was our decision

1803
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 3: and choice right and in most cases right. But I

1804
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 3: think the reality is it's up to us to give

1805
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 3: them what they deserve, you know what I mean, And

1806
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 3: they deserve to have that. So when I think of

1807
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 3: why it's important if I don't if I'm not here anymore,

1808
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 3: if something happens to me, at least I want them

1809
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 3: to know like what I stood for, like what they're

1810
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 3: supposed to carry on, right, And that's why like the

1811
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 3: fiddle and everything, so like John Wooden Pyramid of Success,

1812
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 3: Like I feel like people kids should have some kind

1813
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 3: of thing that they know in their and this is

1814
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 3: where I'm supposed to live by. And I think that's

1815
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 3: really what the role the father really should be is

1816
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 3: to give you that road map, that navigation system so

1817
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 3: now they can take it. Think about like I look

1818
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 3: at my father, I'm like, Okay, now I know what

1819
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 3: I want to do to elevate and take it to

1820
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 3: the next level. When I was when I named my

1821
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 3: son Alan the third, I struggle with that. I'm like, Okay,

1822
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 3: should should he have that on him?

1823
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:26,639
Speaker 4: Right?

1824
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 3: But it wasn't that he hasn't on him. But he

1825
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:31,479
Speaker 3: has enough in him, you see what I'm saying. And

1826
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 3: that's the difference. So now he has enough to take

1827
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 3: and move it in advance and forward. So that's why

1828
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:39,679
Speaker 3: it's important to me because that's just what I saw tell.

1829
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 1: Us, like how important like communication is and how your

1830
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 1: your mom and your dad kind of instilled some of

1831
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 1: that in you to have it well.

1832
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 3: They were never scared to have hard conversations. But I

1833
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:55,839
Speaker 3: think what happens as a parent as adult, you basically

1834
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 3: say this is how you're supposed to act, how you're

1835
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 3: supposed to do, but you don't really explain why, right.

1836
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:06,120
Speaker 3: You kind of just you know, say do this, do that.

1837
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 3: So I think I always try to really understand what

1838
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:13,679
Speaker 3: a ten year old is really thinking.

1839
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 4: What is a fourteen year old thinking? What's the what

1840
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 4: are they thinking?

1841
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 3: Because if I if I can try to understand, then

1842
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:23,719
Speaker 3: I can kind of the communication can kind of sit

1843
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 3: right if I tell my daughter or son, you're not

1844
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,719
Speaker 3: supposed to do this. It's one thing. But if I say,

1845
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 3: here's why, you need to understand yourself so you can

1846
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 3: know next time why you've made that decision, because you

1847
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 3: have to. You have to take in the prison and

1848
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 3: take ownership of it. And they can't take ownership of it.

1849
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,360
Speaker 3: I think any of us can take ownership of it

1850
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 3: unless we really are communicating right and speaking the same.

1851
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 3: It's like a team, right, It's like if a coach

1852
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:57,800
Speaker 3: is not talking to the player, they're not talking and

1853
01:30:57,920 --> 01:30:59,679
Speaker 3: they're just gonna be out there and there's not gonna

1854
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:00,720
Speaker 3: be that.

1855
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 4: There's only so much so far they can go.

1856
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:08,280
Speaker 1: Start bench trade. You gotta start one. You gotta bench one.

1857
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 1: You gotta trade one. Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Miss Richmond.

1858
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 3: I think you gotta start Ray. Ray to me and

1859
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 3: that group had a little bit of you know, Ray

1860
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 3: could bring the ball up.

1861
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:22,040
Speaker 4: He runs ball screens.

1862
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 5: About that Milwaukee Jesus swing around the real.

1863
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 4: With them Jays on his feet. So you start Ray.

1864
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 3: You know, I'm trying to buy some time right now,

1865
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 3: repeat that start right. I gotta go to Reggie, you know,

1866
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 3: because you just you just know at any point you

1867
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 3: can you can? You can now you can count on

1868
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 3: Mitch too, you know what I mean.

1869
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:53,560
Speaker 5: He probably had more opportunities at the bigger moments.

1870
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 3: The big moments, and you know, I think he's he's

1871
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 3: done it for so long. You know, you said he

1872
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:03,519
Speaker 3: had those opportunities, and you just you just got a

1873
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:05,639
Speaker 3: good feeling like something good gonna happen.

1874
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 4: That's a tough one right there.

1875
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 1: Tell us like how important has the G League and

1876
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:14,840
Speaker 1: how much it's advanced to like it's really a key

1877
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 1: piece to the whole NBA set up, you know what

1878
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:22,639
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like they saved the season and now you've

1879
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:25,960
Speaker 1: got so many ballers coming out the G League and

1880
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:27,799
Speaker 1: they coming straight in getting them buckets.

1881
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 3: Well, this year you saw a lot because you had

1882
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,719
Speaker 3: the injuries. You have people come right in. Look at Derek,

1883
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:33,679
Speaker 3: Look at Derek White.

1884
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 4: You know yeah.

1885
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 3: I mean I think anything you make important, you're gonna

1886
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 3: give it a chance. I think teams started taking it seriously,

1887
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,840
Speaker 3: putting more. I remember being a GM of our G

1888
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 3: League team for six seasons and you're like, Okay, we're

1889
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 3: gonna have this, but we got to make sure we

1890
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 3: use it and give guys an opportunity. So when they

1891
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 3: started doing the two way contract, there was big because

1892
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 3: now a player can come in and and you're it

1893
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 3: shows you value like the system, the player you always

1894
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 3: value because you look at him. You've given them opportunity.

1895
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 3: But I think the value is they're playing against really

1896
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:21,479
Speaker 3: good players. They may not be as big, you know.

1897
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 3: I think the biggest difference is sometimes the size, you know,

1898
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 3: but they play hard, they're they're talented, and it's and

1899
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 3: it's great preparation.

1900
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:31,519
Speaker 4: You know.

1901
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 3: We had guy like like Duce McBride this year that

1902
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 3: would go to the G League and and and like

1903
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 3: he never left off, he come right back in play

1904
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 3: heavy minutes, finished games. And it's like I remember when

1905
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:47,519
Speaker 3: I was in Detroit and we would go to the

1906
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 3: Racket Club. We would go to the club, I mean

1907
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:52,760
Speaker 3: the hell club at night just to get run because

1908
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 3: there was no G League. So you have a light

1909
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:57,559
Speaker 3: practice one day, Me and lindsay sometimes we just let's

1910
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 3: go over here and who get a game. Tell the

1911
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:01,280
Speaker 3: young guys that are.

1912
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:04,320
Speaker 4: Like what, like yeah, like we just wanted to go

1913
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:07,960
Speaker 4: because we didn't get him. It's like what are you doing? So?

1914
01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 3: But but now you have that opportunity. They take it

1915
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:13,599
Speaker 3: seriously and then you like you said, you got the ignite.

1916
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:17,639
Speaker 3: You have all these this platforms down that they can

1917
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 3: come in and play real significant minutes in the same

1918
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 3: way that they're playing in the in the NBA.

1919
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 1: How do you feel about like, you know, when you

1920
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 1: got guys like uh that really play real minutes, like

1921
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 1: Klay Thompson and all these guys that go down to

1922
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:34,680
Speaker 1: the G League and get a rhythm real quick and

1923
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 1: then come back up and play in the games like

1924
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 1: the I mean, it went from like everybody didn't care

1925
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 1: about the G League, people don't give a fuck about it,

1926
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:46,200
Speaker 1: to now it's really important, you know what I'm saying,

1927
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 1: because they didn't know how to hellenly It's like, man,

1928
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:49,600
Speaker 1: if you ain't in the league.

1929
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:52,719
Speaker 3: They considered a the motion when it was never really

1930
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 3: supposed to be an emotion.

1931
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:56,559
Speaker 4: Like the guys who actually take.

1932
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:58,679
Speaker 3: Advantage of the G League or the guys who don't

1933
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 3: see it that way. They see it as a way

1934
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 3: where look, I gotta get I gotta hold my craft,

1935
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 3: like this is my livelihood, Like I gotta figure out

1936
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:09,160
Speaker 3: how to add.

1937
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:10,600
Speaker 4: Any little advantage.

1938
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 3: You know what this you gotta try to find some

1939
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:16,519
Speaker 3: type of advantage anything you do, and you go to

1940
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:19,240
Speaker 3: the G League where okay, I gotta get in shape.

1941
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,800
Speaker 3: I remember when Mario was with us, you know, he

1942
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:24,639
Speaker 3: would go and we would sign them for a day.

1943
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:27,760
Speaker 3: He would practice with them, just come back, you know

1944
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:29,400
Speaker 3: what I mean. So you gotta figure out what else

1945
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:32,240
Speaker 3: you're gonna get that type of run and you know, season,

1946
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:34,519
Speaker 3: especially if you're in that situation where you're injured, you're

1947
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 3: trying to get back.

1948
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 5: And I know what I like, Well, everybody know, I

1949
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:41,599
Speaker 5: like to ask this question. But this question ain't about

1950
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 5: you know, taking care of mama. Mama and Daddy was

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Speaker 5: already taking care of Papa was at Louisville clocking them

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Speaker 5: big boys.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to go do that.

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Speaker 5: I won't know what what age two oh did for himself.

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Speaker 5: That Like now at your advance stage and you an

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01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:57,680
Speaker 5: adult and you've grown and you know you you you

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01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:59,600
Speaker 5: know what's what you probably look back like that was

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Speaker 5: dumb and hell, But like in that moment, you thought

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01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:04,559
Speaker 5: you was killing him. You was killing him. I thought

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01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:07,120
Speaker 5: you was killing him. You did all that. I won't

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Speaker 5: know what you did. I want to hear out land

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Speaker 5: this bag story. I need to hear somebody, bro, you

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Speaker 5: got a hundred tickets. When it was rare, it was

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Speaker 5: very very I remember him signing that six years and

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Speaker 5: und I'm like, man, he's got mean like who I

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01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 5: was like, like Bernie macvoic about that's the list, that's

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Speaker 5: the low cut ting. He invented low cuts with it

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Speaker 5: with the Jordan's brown.

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Speaker 4: Here's the trends he won. I gotta get up in

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Speaker 4: the building. Come. He's like, he came, you know, is

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Speaker 4: from lord man. I used to see him.

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Speaker 3: I was like, this young kid's gonna be old and

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Speaker 3: a winner came. When I signed, he was like, they

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Speaker 3: doing that.

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Speaker 4: There's my guy.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, I don't think I did anything crazy.

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Speaker 3: I think it was a plane. I would had something

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Speaker 3: about one to fly fly private.

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Speaker 4: That was my thing. I just was like like, dude,

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Speaker 4: you don't need to fly private on this thing. That's

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Speaker 4: the whistle. We know what it was.

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Speaker 3: Just like I would take trip, you know, the golf

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Speaker 3: trip to Vegas or something, a couple of boys and

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Speaker 3: just like that was my thing. Like like my guys,

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Speaker 3: my financial people like look all right, I get it, man, But.

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Speaker 5: Then you know, if you ain't doing that much crazy.

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Speaker 5: We deal with this right here, take it down on

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Speaker 5: all other stuff.

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Speaker 3: Okay, But the crazy thing about that is you said

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Speaker 3: it earlier. My mother wearing a financial aid department at

1991
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Speaker 3: Louisville where my father was coaching, so she in her mind,

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Speaker 3: she was always like, look, the crazy thing when I

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Speaker 3: signed my first one when I came to New York,

1994
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Speaker 3: they wouldn't even let me do anything for him, like,

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Speaker 3: So the thing I did was we got them a

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Speaker 3: condo in Florida because when I saw my first real deal,

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Speaker 3: they were like, no, we don't want you to do

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Speaker 3: we don't want you to do anything. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if they may have been they may have knew I

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Speaker 3: was gonna have seven kids or something, but but yeah,

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Speaker 3: they they always kind of built it in your head

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01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 3: like don't do anything crazy because you know you don't

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Speaker 3: have to. You're gonna have to need it later on.

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Speaker 3: I tell you what, that's a blessing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: We grew up like that.

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Speaker 5: We had gone hand may show things and situated.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: I have had teammates like you, Like I can remember

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Speaker 5: talking to Ja j He.

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Speaker 4: Like you did what Like I didn't have to do

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Speaker 4: that when I was like.

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Speaker 5: Fans in all the boy like that's a big blessing.

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Speaker 4: It's a big one. I was.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, how was like the Garden

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Speaker 1: for you? Like the like how the fans are, how

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Speaker 1: the people are?

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Speaker 2: How is you know? It's like a stage. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's it's.

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Speaker 1: Dark, all fan like Gordon atmosphere to be playing in

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Speaker 1: the Garden, the mecca of basketball.

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Speaker 3: I remember driving to my first game and uh, I

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01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:15,760
Speaker 3: remember driving and like dodging through traffic and I beat that, kid,

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Speaker 3: I beat that, like you know you kind of like

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Speaker 3: you got in this competitive mode just driving to the game.

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Speaker 4: Right. So I get out and I'm like, man, I

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Speaker 4: felt like I played the.

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Speaker 3: Game already just getting out right, and and then you

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Speaker 3: go in. It's the energy. It's just the energy like

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Speaker 3: you can't ever have. I don't feel it today stepping

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Speaker 3: on that floor. You can't ever like, you can't ever

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Speaker 3: admit to yourself, I don't feel it today because you

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Speaker 3: come and everybody's coming in on the grind. Everybody. It's

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Speaker 3: just a it's high energy and you just gotta you

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Speaker 3: gotta come with every night, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: And I think it.

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Speaker 3: Elevates your game because you know, people are coming in

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Speaker 3: day in the guard, you know, and they know what

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Speaker 3: that moment and that stage means.

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Speaker 4: So you gotta play that game.

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Speaker 3: Within your game forty one times including playoffs, and so

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01:40:13,439 --> 01:40:17,200
Speaker 3: sometimes we find like you go on the road and

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Speaker 3: you almost feel more relaxed on the road, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean. You play with a little bit more

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Speaker 3: edge and relaxation on the road because the energy, the

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Speaker 3: energy in the garden is so it's so big and

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Speaker 3: intense that it gets you up. But when you have

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Speaker 3: a good team and you're playing well, and you know, like.

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Speaker 2: Is it true, once you're a nick, you always a nick.

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Speaker 4: You heard me say that the may Times.

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Speaker 5: Don't play hey telling you once always a nick man.

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Speaker 5: I got the t shirts. They bring a real player.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. The fans rock with a player.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. Appreciate y'all cities. You know

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Speaker 5: what I'm saying. That's a rap man. We got my

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Speaker 5: main man, A two oh A to the is in

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Speaker 5: the building. One of the best shooters of all time.

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Speaker 5: Don't do it black. We live on location. We got

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Speaker 5: we visible with Verizon, we got them towers. We out

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01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:12,479
Speaker 5: here in New York City's where Spider Man Hay, but

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Speaker 5: we would ace to old baby.

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Speaker 2: Like Louisville legend.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, all right.

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