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Speaker 1: And welcome man.

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Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, April sixty year O Lord twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: one Late Kicks Live. We have got, as always a

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Speaker 2: jam packed show for you. We've got a number of

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Speaker 2: different angles to hit all across the country. Also, I

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Speaker 2: just want to put this out there general statement. It

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Speaker 2: will make sense in time. There's a reason, well, there

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Speaker 2: are a few reasons. Actually we don't use the word

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Speaker 2: around here. We talk about it as X season instead

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Speaker 2: of off season.

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Speaker 1: And here's the reason.

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Speaker 2: There is no time busier in this line of work

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Speaker 2: than the X season. And case in point, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot going on right now. There's a curtain. You can't

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Speaker 2: see it. It's imaginative, it's figurative, but there's a curtain.

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Speaker 2: And then there are a lot of folks behind the curtain,

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Speaker 2: Ie Director Emeritus Colin.

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Speaker 1: Right now he exists.

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Speaker 2: He's a real, living, breathing human boy with feelings and

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Speaker 2: emotions and a heart just like you.

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Speaker 1: And I'm he's behind the curtain.

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Speaker 2: Well, there are other things behind the curtain too, you know,

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Speaker 2: different ideas, different plans, different oh concepts for eventually, when

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Speaker 2: we get to football season, which is under one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty days away now, it's getting kind of real.

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Speaker 2: So just be on guard basketball season in the rearview.

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Speaker 2: We got football season coming up. It's your constitutional right

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Speaker 2: to watch baseball. We're worried about football season, and so

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Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about it tonight. But I just want

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Speaker 2: to wet your appetite. There are some things coming that

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Speaker 2: you're really really gonna enjoy. So just because it looks

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Speaker 2: this way now, in other words, and just because it

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Speaker 2: sounds this way now, doesn't mean it'll always look and

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Speaker 2: sound this way. And by that, I mean we can

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Speaker 2: improve some things. So I want to ask you a

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Speaker 2: question as we dive into the show tonight. Here's what

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Speaker 2: we're talking about. The second best head coach in college football.

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Speaker 1: Nick Saban.

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Speaker 2: We're just going to safely assume most people have in

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Speaker 2: their number one spot in the head coaching power rankings,

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Speaker 2: but the number two spot you run fill in.

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Speaker 1: The blank university.

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Speaker 2: You got the opportunity to hire any coach not name

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Speaker 2: Nick Saban for the next ten years. Let's just say

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Speaker 2: who you hiring. I got a pretty definitive answer on

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Speaker 2: this one. It sure has changed as of late. I'm

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Speaker 2: also going to dive into this whole debate that's not new.

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Speaker 2: It pops up every year usually around this time and

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Speaker 2: then again in October or November. And that is that

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Speaker 2: Georgia Florida game location. It's in Jacksonville. It's been there

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Speaker 2: since nineteen thirty three every year, but a couple of

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Speaker 1: Should it stay there?

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Speaker 2: Because I've found, and it has been reaffirmed as of late,

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Speaker 2: that some of the division in debates and college football

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Speaker 2: I don't I'm an alien on this whole thing. So

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Speaker 2: I've been swayed like a leaf blowing in the wind

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Speaker 2: and fall on this topic. I'm going to revisit it tonight.

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Speaker 2: Maybe one of you can change my mind and make

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Speaker 2: me plant my feet firmly on one side of that

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Speaker 2: spring practice intel and whispers. Some programs have already had

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Speaker 1: It's not that we're ignoring Florida.

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Speaker 2: I just try and bring you things from the programs

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Speaker 2: there's nothing going on there, just hadn't really heard anything

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Speaker 2: on the show. Also, Bud Elliott put up a really

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Speaker 2: good article, really good piece to do on twenty four

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Speaker 1: About the correlation that seems evident.

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Speaker 2: Like when I say it to you, you're gonna say, well, duh,

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Speaker 2: that's pretty stupid. Of course, Now listen closely to what

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Speaker 2: I say. How important is winning in college football recruiting?

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Speaker 2: See I saw the headline earlier today and I thought

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Speaker 2: But then I saw that extra word recruiting, And there's

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Speaker 1: Who's the second best head coach in college football? Nick

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Speaker 1: Saban's number one? Who's number two?

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Speaker 2: You got your own university, you're running things, you got

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Speaker 1: Who are you hiring if everyone's on the table.

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Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, he's got two national championship rings,

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Speaker 2: It's not like I would pull out a sword and

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Speaker 2: But I think maybe if you were to, let's say,

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Speaker 2: I think some people would look and say, oh, Ohio State

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Speaker 2: Nick Saban's got that assassin's mentality. Nick Saban's got that,

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Speaker 1: Covert Michigan is not something they ever say in the

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Speaker 2: But if someone were to call up Ryan Day and say, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: up and we just need a black Ops mission overnight.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, you could also trust him if

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Speaker 2: He could trust him to a number of different things,

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Speaker 2: a number of different unsavory things that aren't endorsed by

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Speaker 2: not going out for any movie role. But here's what

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Speaker 2: problem with that. And again, he's not a fifteen year

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Speaker 2: Why can't we just keep this one attraction. It's one

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Speaker 1: They build towards this stuff for two years. I mean

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Speaker 2: But I am open to having my mind changed on this.

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Speaker 1: But so far, boy, I've been inconsistent.

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Speaker 2: I've been like the kid who has parents who are

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Speaker 1: That sounds great, that sounds wonderful.

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Speaker 2: I can't land Spring practice continues across college football. Some

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Speaker 2: spring games have already happened, and we have got a

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Speaker 2: lot of intel to.

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Speaker 1: Get to them. Wasting no time.

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Speaker 2: Let's dive right in the Clemson spring game. Clemson with

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Speaker 2: a Z at least on this show, because my speech

442
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Speaker 2: will not allow me to say it any other way.

443
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Speaker 1: See you.

444
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Speaker 2: The Tigers, in other words, had their spring game this

445
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Speaker 2: last Saturday. A lot to talk about. There was a

446
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Speaker 2: really good feature on the front page of twenty four

447
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Speaker 2: seven Sports today. I think Chris Hummer talked to Anahickey

448
00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,960
Speaker 2: up at Clemson or twenty four seven Sports side at Clemson.

449
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Speaker 1: And has some really good feedback. Here's what's caught my eye.

450
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Speaker 2: We talked about the Tigers a few times this spring,

451
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Speaker 2: the running back position. They placed a premium on several things,

452
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Speaker 2: as do most programs in spring, but one of the

453
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Speaker 2: areas Dabos Swiney and his staff realized they needed to

454
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Speaker 2: improve in is they just flat out weren't physical enough

455
00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,520
Speaker 2: last year. And that's really a both sides of the

456
00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,120
Speaker 2: ball type issue. But they look at the running game

457
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,399
Speaker 2: like they look at that Notre Dame game when they lost.

458
00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,480
Speaker 2: They look at the Ohio State game when they lost.

459
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,879
Speaker 2: Couldn't run the ball. They couldn't control a line of scrimmage,

460
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Speaker 2: which was a problem in several different aspects of the

461
00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,560
Speaker 2: season last year. And they couldn't run the ball worth anything,

462
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Speaker 2: especially relative to the standard you would expect when you

463
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Speaker 2: got a guy like Travis Etn back there.

464
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Speaker 1: So Etna is gone. Lyn J.

465
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Speaker 2: Dixon is the guy that if you were just kind

466
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Speaker 2: of guestimating a depth chart for Clemson, your finger would

467
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Speaker 2: land on. But Kobe Pace is a guy who has

468
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Speaker 2: really come on for them, And there are some people,

469
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's a majority, but there's some people

470
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Speaker 2: around the Clemson program who would indicate to you they

471
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Speaker 2: think that Pace ultimately could be their more well rounded back.

472
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Speaker 2: Different body type maybe than Travis Etn, but he could

473
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Speaker 2: be their more well rounded back at the very least. Obviously,

474
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Speaker 2: we have two bona fide Number one running back candidates there,

475
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Speaker 2: so that's a good thing. But also when we go

476
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Speaker 2: to the other side, when we talk about defense, the

477
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Speaker 2: secondary for them, the linebacker corp, the defensive line, there

478
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,439
Speaker 2: are varying degrees of question marks at all three levels

479
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Speaker 2: of Clemson's defense, And you could talk about corner depth,

480
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 2: you could talk about developing the pass ruse. You can

481
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Speaker 2: talk about the year one to year two jump for

482
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Speaker 2: a lot of those big names on the defensive line,

483
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Speaker 2: interior and pass rushers.

484
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Speaker 1: But here's really what I circle back to.

485
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Speaker 2: You're going to see as we enter preview magazine season

486
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 2: a lot of that stat and that stat is ten

487
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Speaker 2: returning starters on defense, which brings us to the age

488
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Speaker 2: old question how valuable are returning starters from a unit

489
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Speaker 2: that was poor Because Clemson's defense was poor last year.

490
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Speaker 1: A lot of the pass.

491
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Speaker 2: Defense metrics, I mean, they finished outside the top twenty

492
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Speaker 2: five for the first time in several several years, like

493
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Speaker 2: before they started going on the national title run, and

494
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Speaker 2: so they snapped a long defensive streak of very impressive

495
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Speaker 2: statistical resumes. And so it's great that we're bringing a

496
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Speaker 2: lot of guys back from that unit. Just kind of

497
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Speaker 2: curious to see what kind of production jump we see

498
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Speaker 2: from last year to this year. Could it over to

499
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Speaker 2: tuscle Lewisa Alabama's wide receivers fascinating here, John Metchi is

500
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Speaker 2: back and outside from that, unless you're a diehard Crimson

501
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 2: Tide fan, you don't recognize many of the names. I

502
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,120
Speaker 2: would argue Jalil Billingsley is for all intents and purposes,

503
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Speaker 2: a wide receiver.

504
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Speaker 1: But you understand what I'm saying here.

505
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Speaker 2: So I think, because of the depth situation in Alabama,

506
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Speaker 2: when I say situation, i'd mean just that, not a problem,

507
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: a situation, at least two of these true freshmen wide

508
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 2: receivers are going to be impact players this year.

509
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,439
Speaker 1: Now. That could be Aggie Hall, that could.

510
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Speaker 2: Be Christian Leary, could be Jojo Earl, It could be

511
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 2: any of a number of those guys. Obviously I expect

512
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 2: a convo of those guys to contribute. But also, let's

513
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Speaker 2: not forget about the name Javon Baker, because we were

514
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Speaker 2: sitting at this desk leading into the twenty twenty season

515
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 2: and I thought, maybe Javon Baker was going to be

516
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Speaker 2: a guy that stepped to the forefront, Maybe he was

517
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Speaker 2: going to be the offensive true freshman equivalent of what

518
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Speaker 2: Malachai Moore ended up being. Well, we were right about Malachai.

519
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 2: More Javon Baker, it never really took off for him.

520
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: Well that's fine, He's only a second year guy right now.

521
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Speaker 2: And so Javon Baker, I think is going to be

522
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Speaker 2: a name also that steps up for him this year.

523
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Speaker 2: But I think we have probably gotten as many questions

524
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Speaker 2: about the quarterback situation at Alabama as any position group there,

525
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 2: and that's not a surprise. But I haven't talked a

526
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Speaker 2: lot about quarterbacks with Alabama this spring, and the reason

527
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Speaker 2: is because I don't feel the need to. I told

528
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Speaker 2: you at the beginning of spring I'm going to reiterate

529
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Speaker 2: it now. I don't really see that there's much of

530
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Speaker 2: a competition there. There's competition in practice. When I say competition,

531
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Speaker 2: I mean is there really like a sixty five thirty

532
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Speaker 2: five sixty guests right now as to who the starter

533
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 2: is going to be if there is not injury, which

534
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 2: we cross our fingers for across the board. Bryce Young

535
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Speaker 2: is the starting quarterback there, and that, by the way,

536
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Speaker 2: is not a knock on Paul Tyson. I want to

537
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Speaker 2: reiterate something I think Paul Tyson has developed and come

538
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: a lot further than maybe a lot of people around

539
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Speaker 2: the Alabama program thought he was going to from the

540
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Speaker 2: first time he stepped foot on campus. And I am

541
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Speaker 2: looking down the road. This is pure speculation. I want

542
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Speaker 2: to stress that this is not knowledge of anything. But

543
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Speaker 2: if a guy like Paul Tyson were to ever end

544
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Speaker 2: up somewhere else, let's say, whereas previously I would not

545
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Speaker 2: have expected him to be a contributor many places, Alabama included.

546
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Speaker 2: I think he's a guy who could go start somewhere.

547
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Speaker 2: So again that's pure speculation.

548
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Speaker 1: I don't think Nick.

549
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Speaker 2: Saban to be all that happy with participating in that

550
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 2: portion of this conversation. But Paul Tyson has really, I

551
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Speaker 2: think been a pleasant surprise for them. Bryce Young's the

552
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 2: real deal, So I think Bryce Young is going to

553
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Speaker 2: be the starter. There also interesting little practice note from

554
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Speaker 2: Charlie Potter and Tuscaloosa today. JC Latham and Tommy Brockermire,

555
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 2: big names from our signing day show, the top two

556
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: tackles in the country both signed with Alabama. I know

557
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: that shocks you both run in with the second team

558
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: now as of today at least, so a lot of

559
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 2: mixing and matching going on in spring. But I was

560
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Speaker 2: back home this weekend and my cousin asked me, Hey, Brockermeier, is.

561
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Speaker 1: He going to see the field this year? He said, oh,

562
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Speaker 1: he may. I don't know if he's gonna start.

563
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Speaker 2: Well, hey, he's creeping ever closer at least if spring

564
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Speaker 2: depth charts are any indication.

565
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Speaker 1: Let's go to Miami. Talked about the Clemson running back situation.

566
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Speaker 1: How about the Miami running back situation?

567
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Speaker 2: When if I pressed you right now, I didn't give

568
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Speaker 2: you time to look at your phone, and I said,

569
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Speaker 2: Miami RB one this year running back one.

570
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Speaker 1: Who is it? You say, Cameron Harris, Camron Harris.

571
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Speaker 2: And you probably, maybe somewhat possibly be right. But might

572
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Speaker 2: I suggest to you that if Rhet Lashley is a

573
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Speaker 2: tempo based guy, which he is, and if Miami is

574
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Speaker 2: fully committed to a tempo based approach offensively, which they are,

575
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Speaker 2: that Rhet Lashley in his own this is not speculation

576
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 2: here either. Rhet Lashley is going to want to land

577
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Speaker 2: on a definitive number one running back. This is not

578
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Speaker 2: an offense that is going to want to rely heavily

579
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Speaker 2: on a running back by committee. Now, it's great to

580
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 2: have unlimited options, but when you're talking about drive to drive,

581
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 2: you want to feature back, you want to bell cow.

582
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: You want a guy that can be on the field

583
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Speaker 2: six eight, twelve plays in a row if needed, and

584
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Speaker 2: in an ideal world, they can flex out at receiver.

585
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: They can give you everything in past pro and receiving

586
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 2: and not sacrifice anything envision at the tailback position in

587
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 2: a classical sense. But I say all that to say this,

588
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: Cameron Harris is returning. Cameron Harris is a guy you

589
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 2: think you can depend on. But the word from down there,

590
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Speaker 2: at least at the running back position that I've heard

591
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: has not so much been about Cameron Harris. It's been

592
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Speaker 2: Don Cheney Junior. Don Cheney Junior is a guy again

593
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Speaker 2: kind of like we talked about with Kobe Pace at Clemson,

594
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 2: a little bit different body type, more like the five ten,

595
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Speaker 2: five eleven, two fifteen, sort of the box frame.

596
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Speaker 1: It's a good thing at the running back position. It's

597
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Speaker 1: not a bad thing.

598
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Speaker 2: But he's got like he's got that mixture of size

599
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 2: and speed that you want and it's very enviable if.

600
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: You have it. But also it's the kind of guy

601
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Speaker 1: if you.

602
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 2: Can get him from a concept standpoint and a blitz

603
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 2: pick up standpoint, Like if he nails down those aspects,

604
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Speaker 2: it wouldn't shock me to see Don Cheney Junior getting

605
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: a ton of reps down there. In fact, it wouldn't

606
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 2: shock me. I'm not ready to predict it yet. It

607
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 2: wouldn't shock me if he ends up being their best

608
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: option at tailback this year, So just something to watch

609
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: at Miami.

610
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Speaker 1: Let's kick it to Athens, Georgia. It's been a theme

611
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Speaker 1: all spring long.

612
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Speaker 2: It will continue to be the Georgia defense famous already

613
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one is the stat and the stat

614
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Speaker 2: is now that Tyrek Stevenson transferred to Miami. Ironically enough,

615
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: Georgie's got all the corner talent in the world. There's

616
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: not a single start amongst them. No one started.

617
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Speaker 1: So whether we're talking about a Mere Speed or Jalen.

618
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: Kimber Keeley Ringo, all these guys they got all the stars,

619
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Speaker 2: they don't have the experience and there's only one way

620
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: to get it, and it starts against the Clemson Tigers

621
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Speaker 2: in Week one. But and this was kind of underrated

622
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 2: nationally because there's been a lot going on the past

623
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: week in the hoops world. Georgia got a monster transfer

624
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 2: that is not a monster name, but for their needs,

625
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 2: it was a monster transfer. Tyke Smith is a kind

626
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 2: of a nickel a star position for them. He's a

627
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: guy at defensive back who came in from West Virginia.

628
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Speaker 1: This is pivotal. He's a good player.

629
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Speaker 2: That probably not an elite first round draft pick type,

630
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: a very good, dependable player. I don't know, maybe ends

631
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: up going first round.

632
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: We'll see. But here's why it's so big for Georgia.

633
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: They were already having to get a lot of guys

634
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: in the defensive secondary. What other kind of secondary is there?

635
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: By the way, they were having to get a lot

636
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: of guys ready to play positions at this level that

637
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 2: they haven't started at.

638
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: If you also had to cross train a.

639
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: Lot of those young guys at let's say corner and

640
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: at nickel spot, it was going to be a five

641
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: alarm cluster for the first several weeks of the season.

642
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 2: I'm not promising you it's not going to be now.

643
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: But if you have a dependable option again barring injury

644
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: on the desk here think it's made of wood. I

645
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 2: smell Lacker, so yeah, it's got to be covering wood.

646
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 2: If you have Smith able to lock down that star position,

647
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 2: it no longer forces you to cross train out of desperation.

648
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: Now you will cross train guys because you have to

649
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,719
Speaker 2: have depth at every position.

650
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: You have to have contingencies at every position.

651
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: But all of a sudden, Kirby Smart and Dan Lanning

652
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: can focus a lot more on let's just make sure

653
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: these guys have one of these corner spots figured out

654
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Speaker 2: before we add onto their plate nickel responsibilities, dime responsibilities,

655
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 2: nickel and money, and whatever terminology you use there. My

656
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: point is, that's the kind of transfer that is. It's

657
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: not going to be on the front page of twenty

658
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: four to seven sports dot com. It could be the

659
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,239
Speaker 2: difference in a twenty four to twenty one game this

660
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: year to where Georgia gets the win versus the loss.

661
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: One more batted pass, one more incomplete, one more solid

662
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: coverage downfield that forces a quarterback to eat the ball

663
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: and then take a dive short of the sticks and

664
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Speaker 2: pun away. I mean, that's kind of stuff. It decides

665
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: division races in some cases. That's the kind of name.

666
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: That's the kind OFT's the reason we do these kinds

667
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: of segments. That's the kind of name that you look

668
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: back on if you're you know you're let's say you're

669
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: a very very intent gambler and you want every edge

670
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: you can have.

671
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: That's kind of name you need to know.

672
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: That's the difference in a half point three quarter point

673
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: and an average game simulated one hundred times. That could

674
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: be the difference in you eating. Let's say ribbi versus

675
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: ramen noodles. I miss the Raman express. I gotta be

676
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: honest with you. Season can't get here soon enough.

677
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: All right. Last segment is one that's a little bit

678
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: more in depth.

679
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: It's in the weeds. That doesn't mean it's boring. It

680
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: just means you got to sit back. So, if you

681
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: got something playing in the background, pause it. If you

682
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 2: are in another room right now, you're letting your phone play,

683
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: come back closer to the phone. I want to ask

684
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: you a question. It's going to sound so basic in theory.

685
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: How important do you think winning is to recruiting? How

686
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: input how much do these things correlate on field results

687
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: to recruiting. And within the context of recruiting, what are

688
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: your standards? So you define which program you're a fan of,

689
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: and then let's ask what your standards are. I'll circle

690
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: back around to that at the end. This is that

691
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: whole chicken and egg thing. By the way, this is

692
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: where we're going. That's the road down which we're going here.

693
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: So there are many words that are used to describe

694
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: recruiting classes. You could say we signed a terrible class. Okay,

695
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: we're not gonna worry about that so much tonight. But

696
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: you could say we signed a good class, we signed

697
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: a great class, we signed an elite class. Unfortunately, some

698
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 2: amongst us find those terms interchangeable. They are anything but friends.

699
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: They're not interchangeable. So Bud Elliott, I call him Budrick,

700
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: but on the street you may know him as Bud Elliott.

701
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: He wrote a really good feature on twenty four seven

702
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: supports dot com today. It's still there. It's either on

703
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: the front page or just scroll a little bit and

704
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: you'll find it. But he was essentially asking, you know,

705
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: taking every top twenty five recruiting class in the early

706
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: signing period era, so twenty eighteen to twenty twenty one,

707
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: and he was trying to look for a correlation between

708
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: the minimum number of wins you need to have on

709
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: the field to end up landing an elite class or

710
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: a top ten class or a top twenty five class,

711
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: different tiers there. So this was interesting to me because

712
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: I always find the recruiting class to be this evergreen

713
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: beacon of optimism what I mean by that, And you know,

714
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: good and well if you live on message boards that

715
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: you've read these things one hundred times each way. If

716
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: you're having a good season, the talk is we're about

717
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: to springboard and recruiting because of this thing.

718
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: We're going to ride this wave.

719
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: Of momentum on the field to a really good national

720
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 2: signing date, and beyond exponential are the results from this

721
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: on field effort leading to the recruiting boon leading to

722
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: then more on field results. Well, then also you see

723
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: the other side, you see having poor results on the field,

724
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: and then you go to the message board and no

725
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: one's really worried about how the season's going.

726
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: It's off the rails.

727
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: What we're worried about is this recruiting class that if

728
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: we can secure, we'll end up turning this around for us.

729
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: And it's very that you.

730
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: Find a program of any level of stability to where

731
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: the season's going bad and everyone's lost hope in recruiting. Now,

732
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: it never well let me not say never. Sometimes it

733
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: doesn't work out the way you want it to. But

734
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: now I go back to what Bud wrote today, So

735
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: we're looking for this correlation here, and what he found

736
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: was not overly shocking, but it did go a long

737
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: way in validating what a lot of us already were

738
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: thinking about the structure.

739
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: Of college football right now.

740
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: I don't know how unique it is to right now,

741
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: but let me ask you this. So, thinking about the

742
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: number of wins in a year that you think is

743
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: required if you're going to sign a top ten class,

744
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: let's say there was wide variance. There was no variance though,

745
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: if you're going to sign a number one or number

746
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: two class. So you hear a lot of times. This

747
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: is where terms and words are important. Do you hear

748
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: a lot of times coaches say we signed a really

749
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: good class, Well, that's great. What are your standards? Are

750
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: your standards to be really good? Or do you fancy

751
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: yourself a college football playoff contending program? Because if you

752
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: fancy yourself a college football playoff contending program or a

753
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: championship contending program, you know who you gotta beat. You

754
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: got to beat Bama. If it's not them, it's gonna

755
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: be Ohio State. If it's not them, it's gonna be Clemson.

756
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: If it's not them, it's going to be oh You

757
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: or Georgia. You know the kind of programs you're gonna

758
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: have to beat. Where are those programs recruiting?

759
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: Well, with very.

760
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: Few exceptions, they're recruiting one to two every year like

761
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: Bama Ohio State. You see, sure enough, Jesse's showing you

762
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: right now the twenty twenty one Composite team rankings. It

763
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: was Ohio State looking at one point like they were

764
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: going to have the greatest class in history, and then

765
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: they couldn't get acaus Bbama had the greatest class in history.

766
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 2: And it's gonna be that way every year because there's LSU,

767
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: there's Georgia, there's Clemson. But looking at that one two spot,

768
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: there is no variance there whatsoever. No one at least

769
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: in this recent era, has finished with eight wins or

770
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 2: fewer on the field. Then all of a sudden landed

771
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: number one or number two in the recruiting rankings. So

772
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: you gotta be doing it on the field to land

773
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: one too. But what about three through ten, because that's

774
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: where things change fairly drastically. Then all of a sudden

775
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: you got a much higher percentage of programs that have

776
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: won eight games, seven games, six games, but still managed

777
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 2: to finish top ten.

778
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: Here was the really fascinating part.

779
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: That, again I don't think is shocking, but it validates

780
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: a lot of what we think there was.

781
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: I think.

782
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 2: How many were there so but here it is every

783
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: top ten class following an eight win or fewer season

784
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: had a head coach that was in his first three years.

785
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: That lends credence to the grace period theory. So basically,

786
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 2: what he's saying there is any program that won eight

787
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: games or fewer, but then they were still able to

788
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: land a top ten class, it was a new head coach.

789
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: And so what do we always say around here.

790
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: We're saying it about Jeff Collins like we say it

791
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: with every coach that is one or two or three

792
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: years in. You still got a grace period because you

793
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: can still go out on the trail and you can

794
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: sell families and you can sell kids on the concept

795
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 2: that I inherited a dumpster fire. I can't do anything

796
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: about it. The first order of business was put out

797
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 2: the fire. Then get the dumpster out of the alley,

798
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: and then let's start refurbishing everything. We need you to help.

799
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: Us do that.

800
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: Don't worry about what the record is right now, because

801
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: by the time you get here, we'll be turning things around,

802
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: and with players like you, we won't have results like

803
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: those anymore. Well, that only lasts so long, and then

804
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: there's this critical juncture, this transition period, to where you

805
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: can no longer afford to win eight games or fewer and.

806
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 1: Still hope to finish in the top ten.

807
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 2: The perfect example, Bud pointed it out, he is done

808
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: on the money. The perfect example of that happening in

809
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: real time was Tom Herman. Tom Herman at a certain

810
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: point at Texas hit the juncture. It was this past

811
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: year because the previous cycle they were nothing to write

812
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 2: home about on the field, but they still finished number

813
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: eight in the overall team recruiting rankings. But then in

814
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 2: this last cycle, still wasn't getting the job done on

815
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 2: the field, and you heard the negative you felt that

816
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: negative recruiting happening in real time.

817
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: We were talking about it on Lake in real time.

818
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, then they're in the mid

819
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: to low teens and Herman gets acxed because at a

820
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 2: certain point, no one's buying it anymore. I mean, it

821
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: was crystal clear this year no one was buying what

822
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: Tom Herman was selling. In fact, they were buying what

823
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: opposing coaching staffs were selling, and that was Tom Herman

824
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: is going nowhere. That thing at Texas is stuck in

825
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 2: the mud. It's not going anywhere. You're spinning your wheels,

826
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: and they are too. If you hop on by default,

827
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: you're not going anywhere. Look at all the elite recruits

828
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: that have come in. Look at how few NFL draft

829
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: picks are going out. Do not associate yourself, especially if

830
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: you got an offer from US at Oklahoma or from

831
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 2: US at Alabama or Ohio State. Everyone came and poached

832
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: everyone out of Texas and so that's the critical juncture.

833
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: Who fits that description right now? Look around because I

834
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: think I just named Jeff Collins. But also there are

835
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 2: some interesting names, really interesting names when you look coast

836
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: to coast summer, high profile summer, not where they're entering

837
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: that critical juncture. Haven't gotten the results on the field yet,

838
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: still been able to recruit. Okay, But now if we

839
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: fancy ourselves an elite championship contender, something's got to happen.

840
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: And here's what the something is.

841
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: There's a lot of teams out there are capable of

842
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: recruiting three through ten right now, Is anyone else out

843
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 2: there who's not already hanging out in that club? I

844
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: could take Texas A and M as a perfect example.

845
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 2: Is A and M capable of going from recruiting in

846
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 2: the let's say the average five to six range to

847
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: recruiting in the one to two range. You think that

848
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 2: doesn't sound like there's that big a difference in this

849
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: stay and age.

850
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: It's a huge difference.

851
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: That's why when a coach steps to the podium on

852
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: National Signing Day and says, we signed a really good program,

853
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: we signed a top ten program, I don't care. It's great,

854
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 2: it looks good on the resume, it sells to the boosters.

855
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: I don't really care.

856
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: Unless you fancy yourself an eight and a half win program,

857
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 2: nine win program. If you fancy yourself a championship caliber team,

858
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: I don't want you finish in eighth or ninth.

859
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: There's a map.

860
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: There's this big a gap between the first class in

861
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: America and the ninth class in America as there is

862
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: between nine and like fifty.

863
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just the reality right now. Don't quote

864
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: me on that, don't pull out the calculator.

865
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a guestimation, but when you see the results

866
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: on the field, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

867
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: There are a lot of top ten average finishers that

868
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: got splattered this last year by Bama and Ohio State.

869
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 2: So just keep that in mind. Really good show tonight.

870
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 2: I wanted to remind you before we wrap up and Colin,

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Speaker 2: don't take the sideshot. So a lot of you have

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Speaker 2: been emailing me about those Zoom consultations. I kind of

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Speaker 2: put a I paused those really because I had gotten

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Speaker 2: inundated with requests for them, and we had holiday weekend,

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Speaker 2: and so I paused that. I'm opening those slots back

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Speaker 2: up right now. It is seven thirty eight in the

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Speaker 2: PM Central Time on this Tuesday night. As soon as

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Speaker 2: I get off the show, I'm checking my email inbox.

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Speaker 2: First come, first surf. If you're interested in getting into

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Speaker 2: sports media, you want to start a YouTube channel, you

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Speaker 2: want to start a podcast, you're interested in anything along

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Speaker 2: those lines, and you want some guidance, I've had some

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Speaker 2: experience in that field, shall we say, joshpat seven zero.

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Speaker 1: Six at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 2: You can hit me on Twitter at late Kickjosh if

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Speaker 2: you want to reserve one of those slots, also at

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Speaker 2: Lake Kickjosh on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I'm done begging you. It's been a really good show.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back here same time on Thursday night.

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Speaker 1: So until then, for.

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Speaker 2: Director Emeritus Colin, for Jesse and the entire crew in Connecticut.

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Speaker 2: I'm Josh Pate. Thanks so much for hanging out with us.

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Speaker 2: Have a great rest of your evening, and God bless