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Speaker 2: Hey, Hurdler's Emily Abadi bringing you Episode one one five

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Speaker 2: of Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast where I sit down

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Speaker 2: recorded with George Foreman the Third back in June twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: George is a former professional boxer and founder of Everybody Fights,

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Speaker 2: Hurdle Podcast, and I'm always available for you over email.

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Speaker 2: It's Emily at Hurdle dot us. And with that, let's

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Speaker 2: There's so much to dive into after that intro, but

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Speaker 1: Is Everybody Fights is a fitness facility essentially at its core,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did you feel awful as well? Did you feel drained?

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00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 2: Where your energy levels low?

434
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,119
Speaker 1: I just wasn't like I was just looking forward to

435
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 1: rest for the first time. I think I had ever

436
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,560
Speaker 1: looking forward to rest, and that's not who I am,

437
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 1: you know.

438
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 2: Was there a particular moment where that really hit you?

439
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 1: You know what? Man? With the weight, I think with work,

440
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 1: I just could feel myself losing my relationship with my

441
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 1: dad a little bit. And oh, this is a moment,

442
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you about the weight. We would sit

443
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 1: and look at each other in Saint Lucia on vacation.

444
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,920
Speaker 1: He never takes vacations but he would just like put

445
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 1: it up, put up with it for the family. He's

446
00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 1: not a vacation guy. So we go on vacation and

447
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,159
Speaker 1: then you know, we're in the same room. It was

448
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,199
Speaker 1: like we're at work. We were both tense and what

449
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 1: about this? We got to check on that, and I

450
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 1: felt bad for him because I'm like, he can't take

451
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 1: a break with me in the room and vice versa.

452
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 1: But then there's no way I'm going to take a

453
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,479
Speaker 1: vacation when he's at home working. It's just impossible. But

454
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 1: I remember that tension and I was like, that's not great.

455
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 1: You know, it was supposed to be able to stop

456
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 1: and relax. But I looked at the scale and I

457
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 1: think I tried a bunch of diet pills and like

458
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 1: some of them may be like really angry and aggressive.

459
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:26,399
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, I can't do that, but

460
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,919
Speaker 1: I'm two hundred and eighty nine pounds and something hit me.

461
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,360
Speaker 1: I called my brothers and I was like, yo, they

462
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 1: had teased me all my life that I was not

463
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 1: a real athlete. There's no proof I was a varsity athlete,

464
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,239
Speaker 1: even though I was. And so I said, look, if

465
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 1: I have one amateur boxing match when you guys shut up.

466
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 1: Because I had been next to my dad at HBO

467
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 1: championship fights and I saw Lennox Lewis walk by one

468
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,400
Speaker 1: time and I was like, he's not that big. I'm

469
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 1: as big as Lenox. I can do this. That doesn't

470
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 1: make sense. And Lenox's coach, who was a guy named

471
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Stewart, was like, George, give me your sign. I'll

472
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 1: make him a champion. He was probably joking, sure, joking,

473
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 1: but I was like, I can fight, and I want

474
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 1: to have one amateur fight to prove it, to prove

475
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: it to myself. Got them on the phone. They said,

476
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,360
Speaker 1: if you have one amateur fight, you got your respect.

477
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,439
Speaker 1: I started training by myself, started training for a year.

478
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 2: Can you tell your dad no?

479
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 1: Not initially?

480
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 2: Wow.

481
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 1: He had shut down the boxing component of our gym.

482
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 1: It was about sixty thousand squiff facility in the boxing

483
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 1: room is just a small piece. And I found a

484
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 1: trainer from out and he had shut it down because

485
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: of unsupervised barring. Trainer met me and I just trained

486
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: every day, and actually I found one trainer. He worked

487
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 1: me two hard, so I got rid of him and

488
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 1: I found another trainer and a year. About a year

489
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: into it, my dad heard I'd been creeping in and

490
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: out of the gym and he's like, you're really going

491
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 1: to do this? And I was like, yeah, I'm gonna

492
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: have my first amateur fight.

493
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 2: And he's like, whoa, whoa what are you not? Traveling

494
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 2: with him constantly at this point, so constantly, so how

495
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 2: does he not realize that you're doing this? And also,

496
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 2: I mean I would assume like you're losing weight. Yeah, yeah,

497
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 2: he's just like, wow, Son, you're looking good.

498
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 1: You know what we talked about. No, no, he noticed,

499
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 1: but he just did not want to encourage it. And

500
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 1: we always talk boxing all my life.

501
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 2: Why do you think he didn't want to encourage.

502
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 1: So us talking boxing wasn't weird you know at the time.

503
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: He didn't encourage me because I think number one, I mean,

504
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: my dad was always like he's like, man. He used

505
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: to call me and I met my brother used to

506
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 1: call me like, oh jmk jr. I don't know what

507
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: that meant, if that's even a thing. You know. Yeah,

508
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: they would be like, oh, you're going to be like this,

509
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: And they just wanted me to have like ten degrees

510
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 1: and like own businesses and like be the president, you know,

511
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: like had always a lot of big dreams for me,

512
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: you know, sent me to like every camp you can

513
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 1: think of, you know, put a lot of energy into

514
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 1: my education. His mantra was, you can be anything, you know,

515
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: and I'm killing myself to make sure you have every

516
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 1: opportunity and or you can just have a career and

517
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: never have a job and start businesses and all this.

518
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: And I tell him, I want to go get punched

519
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: in the face for money, you know, or just punch

520
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: in the face for free.

521
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

522
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: So I think that had something to do with it.

523
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 1: And in hindsight I learned as a fighter why he

524
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: didn't encourage it until he knew that he couldn't stop it.

525
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 2: Right, Well, what was that? This says like a spoiler alert.

526
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: You can't say, Like, in hindsight, I learned.

527
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: A fast forward. So trained for a year. Tell him

528
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 1: in a box. He says, no, you're not. I said,

529
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: yes I am. He said, I'm going to train you. No,

530
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to make sure we prematch you with an amateur.

531
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: And I know that they have as many fights as

532
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: you have, so it's equal. I had zero Nobody in

533
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: Houston will fight me because of his name, to which

534
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: he said, why don't you just have a pro fight,

535
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 1: because you know the guy will show up for the check.

536
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: I said yes, he said I'll train you. I said okay.

537
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: That went on. He said it was going to be

538
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: for six weeks, went on for an entire year, and

539
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: I thought, there's two times I was like, this is death,

540
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: this is close to death. And then he said you're

541
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: going to have your first fight. And he made me

542
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: think this guy was going to be like this monster

543
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: boogey monster. And the guy was like a cream puff,

544
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: you know, knocked him out and around and after it

545
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: he would he was too afraid to go out even

546
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: though the guy was like a cream puff. My dad

547
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 1: during the fight, he's dead in the locker room and

548
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: he about two days after the fight, I said something

549
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: to him about a infomercial that we we're shooting with

550
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 1: the Harrington's actually one of the original shark ting guys,

551
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: and he was like, don't worry about that. You're ready

552
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: for your next fight. I was like next fight. He's

553
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: like yeah. I was like all right, And within three

554
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: months I was completely out of business completely in the boxing.

555
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 1: And about a year into that, so I probably had

556
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: eight fights maybe year and a half. I remember my

557
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: phone would go bing, you know the apple sound when

558
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: you have a text, and my whole head would just

559
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: go and it would like my head would ring. I

560
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: get tingles through up my entire body, and little things

561
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: like that were happening that I had never heard about it.

562
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: I thought boxers couldn't speak, you know, or the molder

563
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: skills or someone I have to carry them around. But

564
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 1: I know, you get like chills through your body. Weird.

565
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: A lot of weird stuff started happening. And I would

566
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: spar like at least one hundred rounds per fight, you know,

567
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: And I got hit so much in sparring. I get on.

568
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 1: I was typically on the better side of it, but

569
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: I got hit and I never thought like man head injury.

570
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 1: And I remember one time going so deep. I'd never

571
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 1: been understood what it meant to be depressed. I'm not

572
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: into that. That's I have to believe, like not depressed

573
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: and it's not real. It's not depressed and your weak.

574
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: That was like how I thought. And I remember one

575
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: time I had a bad sparing session and the guy

576
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: like cleaned my clock like it was an MMA. Guy.

577
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: He's just throwing punches from angles I had never seen seen,

578
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: and my dad was like, yeah, you should probably to

579
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: take a couple of days off. And I remember for

580
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: three days, I was so depressed. I like drove down

581
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: to a hotel in Galveston and just shut the door,

582
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: shut the windows, and I just like stayed there and

583
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: didn't move. It was really bizarre, and I was depressed. Yeah,

584
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 1: there's the only thing I can think of. Like I

585
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 1: was just in a deep, dark, like weird place, like

586
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: I'm just going to go drive into a hotel and

587
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: shut myself in the room for three days. And then

588
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: when I was done, I was like, Okay, I'm better.

589
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: And the only thing I can attribute it to because

590
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: just not who I'm not my style is the head injury,

591
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: you know, and that's one of the symptoms. Shook it

592
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: off and moved on. So I think knowing that, knowing

593
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: the I had to teach myself how to speak again

594
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: after a year, and I'd have to mouth every syllable

595
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: of every word and learn how to use my tongue,

596
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: and I'd speak fine now, I think, but I never

597
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: had to think about it. Attention span. All these things changed.

598
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: Maybe Sharper I came up with tricks, so people wouldn't

599
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: realize that my motor skills are different. Maybe I've never

600
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: used names. I'd use nicknames. I still do that now,

601
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: But all these things, you know, And you know, if

602
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, if I knew something I could look at

603
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: a person and think about, I'd like figure out, what's

604
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 1: the one thing about them that my brain would always remember,

605
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: and I would call them by that name instead of

606
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: their name because I can't remember names, right, and so

607
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: little things like that. And I know that my dad,

608
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: knowing that, would not have wanted me.

609
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: In that right totally.

610
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: So those are the things I found out that people

611
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: don't talk about.

612
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it's an interesting idea to

613
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 2: decide one day that you want to put yourself in

614
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: an environment where someone is literally coming to hurt you. Like,

615
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: there are so many things you could say. And I

616
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: was joking with someone about this the other day, but

617
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: I was like, when I was growing up, I was like,

618
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: I don't want to be a journalist. You're like, I

619
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: helped someone punches my brains out.

620
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: I don't know why, man. I mean, when you put

621
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: it like that, it's very like, duh, don't do that.

622
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 2: Like what was that. Do you even remember I'm sure

623
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: you do the first time that you actually had a

624
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: moment where someone was coming at you and you were like, wow,

625
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: I'm really doing this.

626
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: So my third fight, I think it was guy named

627
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: Dale Mitchell, MMA, guy two hundred and eighty nine pounds.

628
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 2: How heavy were you when you started fighting?

629
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: Two thirty one?

630
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: Oh wow?

631
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: He punched me right in my throat. Oh like for

632
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: whatever reason, he wasn't aiming for my throat, but it

633
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,959
Speaker 1: hit me right below my chin. I'd never been hit

634
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: there before. After I said, man, this is not what

635
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: I signed up for. Like hit me in my eye,

636
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: my nose, but not my throat. And he mopped the

637
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: floor with me that round and I came back out

638
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: and I was able to get a hold of him,

639
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: but hired him as my sparing partner. But that was

640
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: the moment where I was like, oh, this is real.

641
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: And then the second time was like the only time

642
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: I got knocked down off my feet, I didn't fully

643
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: hit the ground. I caught myself with the glove, but

644
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: I didn't even notice it. I just looked up and

645
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: I was like what. And then I had to go

646
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: back out there and fight and then find out what

647
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: happened later. So those are moments where I was like,

648
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: this is real.

649
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: When you really got into it, your first fight, second fight,

650
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: third fight, it's still going. Do you feel an extra

651
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: amount of pressure because of your dad's name in this industry?

652
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't feel because I just don't know

653
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: how much more pressure you can feel. Yeah, I think

654
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: I feel pressure when I sit at home maybe and

655
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: think about it. You know, the did just I don't.

656
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: I think I'm matched out in pressure. There's just nowhere

657
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: to go. It's like, did you feel pressure to make

658
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: your business successful? Well? If I didn't, I was going

659
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 1: to fully be homeless. So I don't know.

660
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, no, I hear you, all right, So

661
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: I don't.

662
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: Really proceed pressure in those Yeah.

663
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: No, I totally hear you. So let's transition then a

664
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: little bit into your boxing professionally, your dodge and punches

665
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: left and right, getting thrown in the throat. When do

666
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: you start to realize Is it after you go to

667
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: the hotel and you kind of like turn down for

668
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: a beat that you're like, maybe I should start to

669
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: think about what's next.

670
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: I would never change what I'm doing because of adversity,

671
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 1: but love while this is going. This is another storyline.

672
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: So my dad, that memory had said when he said,

673
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: I have to train you as a pro. Yeah, he said,

674
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: and I was happy about it. He said, A requisite

675
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: is this boxing program, this building where you're training. Because

676
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: the memory was closed, I had the key. I want

677
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: you to open it back up. It been closed for

678
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: almost two years at that point. I want you to

679
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: open it back up. You're going to be the only

680
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: boxing trainer. And I was like, Dad, I'm just learning

681
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: how to do this. He said, that's fine. Whatever I

682
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: teach you that day, you teach others. And I got hooked.

683
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: I get this to the gym sometime like because the

684
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: kids couldn't get there until about two thirty, so i'd

685
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: get there at two and get there early, be ready

686
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: for him, and I'd be planning it on my lesson

687
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: playing because I'm so nervous, you know. And I just

688
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: teach him whatever he taught me that day, and it

689
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: just added added builton, and I would do two to

690
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: like five. He trained me from like five to six

691
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: thirty hard, and then i'd go from like six thirty

692
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: to sometime nine at night. And these are people from

693
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: ages nine to thirty, a lot of high school kids.

694
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: I had an amateur boxing team, and I remember feeling like,

695
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: for my first time in my life, I would have

696
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: to talk myself out of work. Because I love work.

697
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: But I could be like, Okay, sign for a break,

698
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: Let's enjoy the finer things. Let's spend some of this money,

699
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: you know. But in that gym when I'm training people,

700
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, you just got to go home, man, put

701
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: it down for a second. Go home, go home, Send

702
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: them to go home. They need rest. I'd have to

703
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,959
Speaker 1: talk myself out of work, which I've never been in

704
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: that situation until that point. Right even training boxing, training myself,

705
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, can we just stop this ten

706
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: minutes early? And so I remember telling a friend of mine,

707
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: if I could do that for a living, if I

708
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: could find a way to make that eleving, I would

709
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: just stop professional boxing period, Like I wouldn't even think

710
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: about it. I didn't think that was the case. So

711
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: about a year and a half later, what are we

712
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: like in time right now? Two thousand and eight, Okay,

713
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: then two thousand and nine, I decided to just take

714
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: a break from the sport, from more so from a

715
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: business level, but like a break, like, hey, two months

716
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: off train and go fight again. I actually did fight

717
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: again after that. I'm watching an interview by Dave Chapelle,

718
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: and this is when I was like done with fighting.

719
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: This is late two thousand and eight, Texas, watching an

720
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: interview by Dave Chappelle, and he says he's arguing with

721
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: his father, telling his dad why he wants to be

722
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: a comedian. His dad's like the odds of being successful

723
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: like less than one percent. His dad's a professor. I

724
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: think all his family had educated people. And he said, Dad,

725
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: if I can make a teacher salary being a comedian,

726
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't that be successful? And his dad was like, yo,

727
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: you got me. I watched that and I was like,

728
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: light bulb, teachers in Texas make thirty five thousand dollars

729
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: a year. If I can teach boxing and make thirty

730
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars a year, that would be a success.

731
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: That was like how my brain works. And I think

732
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: they make a lot more than thirty five thousand dollars

733
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: a year. So had this kind of like moment with

734
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: my father where I was just like, yo, this is

735
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: not the right type attention. We're successful, you know. And

736
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: I didn't want to like, once again lose my relationship

737
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: with my dad over boxing. So I was like, you

738
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: know what, let me take a breathe and reset and

739
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: think should I be doing this. Visiting a friend in

740
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: Boston and he goes second down there, He's like, Yo,

741
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: come check out this gym. We go work out. He

742
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: used to be a boxing trainer but never boxed. Best

743
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: friend from boarding school Boston and met him when we

744
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: were eleven chubby kids, and we come out and he's like, dude,

745
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: you should open a Boston gym in Boston. It would

746
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: crush it. And I was like, yeah, what, And he

747
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: was like, don't look at me like that because I

748
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: gave him this weird look because this is like the

749
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: ninth business idea he's come to me with since we've

750
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: been kids. And I was like nah. I was like,

751
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: I really want to do it. And I just never

752
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: looked back because it was the culmination of all those thoughts.

753
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: People were paying one hundred and forty dollars a month

754
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: to belong to it's stinky boxing gym, and Equinox was

755
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: on fifty six. So I literally never went back. I

756
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: just stayed in Boston and opened the gym two years later,

757
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: what did you had? Okay, So I had a jeep.

758
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: I went to I think it was TJ Max, one

759
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: of those, and I went in the back and I

760
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: had a carry on suitcase so cheap. Apparently licensere brand

761
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 1: to like Happy Suitcases, and I was like thirty bucks.

762
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: I remember buying it and I had it. So I

763
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: had that carry on suitcase full of whatever I could

764
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: pack in it.

765
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: And you're a big guy, so it's not like you

766
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 2: can really fit a lot of stuff in here.

767
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: No, you can't, you know that.

768
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean I'm sure you can't traveling

769
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 2: with a carry on.

770
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: It's hard as a big guy. And I had this backpack.

771
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: And so that same backpack, that one you made a

772
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: lot of money traveling around the road.

773
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: A new back back sentimental. I still have that carry

774
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: on and it doesn't it's like the zippers broke mental note.

775
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: Anyone listening to this podcast that wants to say, George

776
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: a new backpack for a new suitcase. Oh my god.

777
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 2: I used to have one of those north facet backbacks

778
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 2: in college.

779
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: I look stra north face.

780
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: Someone please send I'm going to George. I got you.

781
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 2: We're going after the pod.

782
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: I slept on AJ's couch for for three or four,

783
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: probably three months. He told me, travel a little bit,

784
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: be sure you're sure. I traveled for like a week,

785
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: came back and I said, I'm sure, and stopping this

786
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: couch until I could find a roommate and bought an

787
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: air mattress. And I had the air mattress and the

788
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: box of air mattress came in and I rode that

789
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: out until I had no more money and just kept

790
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: trying to open the gym.

791
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, so what's the first thing that happens when

792
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: you decide that you want to open the gym?

793
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: First thing I did was I put on my boots.

794
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: I always ran the military boots. He's like, I got

795
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: him from like the marine course. The way, I don't know.

796
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: The second when you look down and pointed at your feet,

797
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: I was like, are you really a big? Thank God?

798
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: And the way and I just I don't know. My

799
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: dad made me and I got used to it. So

800
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: I ran around the city. I had a list from

801
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: Google of all the gyms, and I would just walking

802
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: one by one and took a tour and just learned,

803
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: studied all the websites, and then then I did a

804
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: walk from Equinox to the Sweaty boxing gym that charged

805
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: one thirty and one hundred a month if you signed

806
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,479
Speaker 1: a contract. And I landed somewhere in the middle because

807
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, one mile, they're two miles apart, equidistant.

808
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: There's this area called the Seaport, and aj had already

809
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: said he thought the seaport was a good area, but

810
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know what that was. So I come back.

811
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, this area is called the Seaport. The

812
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: buildings looked like an old like they looked like boxing gyms,

813
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: and he was like, duh, that's where I said you

814
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: should open it. And then I would go night by

815
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: night and I would wait till about five or six,

816
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: and I would see people from these condos that had

817
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: been built. It was a ghost town, but there were

818
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: a few condos and they'd walk through the seaport into

819
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: Fidai Financial District and then back. And so I was like,

820
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: there's a demand here. And if people were paying one

821
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: thirty for a gym, I wouldn't even go to. My

822
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: parents are from the hood, you know, yeah, I kind

823
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: of from the myself in many ways, like I'm comfortable

824
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: in the hood. I wasn't comfortable in that hood, right,

825
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: and so I was like, all right. Then I got

826
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: a software called liveplan dot Com called up and I

827
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: started making a live plan to figure out where break

828
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: even was because I was I remember learning in business school,

829
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: if you can get to break even, it's a business

830
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: worth being in. You just figured out how to be profitable.

831
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: So live Plan is just literally a planning software.

832
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: I looked at all the business plan softwares, and live

833
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: Plan had just started at the time. Apparently. I was like, yo,

834
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: this is awesome, and I called up La Boxing, which

835
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: is now UFC. UFC bought them, and I was like,

836
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: maybe that's just franchise. So I asked them questions. I

837
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: didn't tell my name, and they were like, yo, we

838
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: love Boston. Boston has the highest percentage of people with

839
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: a gym membership in the nation, at twenty five percent Massachusetts. Then,

840
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: so I wrote that down and they're like, yeah, it's

841
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: great for this, that and the other, and we're looking

842
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: for a franchiseing and I was like awesome. So I

843
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: did more research. Bough that was Massachusetts at twenty five percent.

844
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: Boston skewed higher than that, and the average price paid

845
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: for a gym membership was ninety one dollars. That was

846
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: third in the nation.

847
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: Wow.

848
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: So I ran my numbers at the LA Boxing average,

849
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: which they told me it was like seventy, and I

850
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: ran him at ninety one. And then I ran him

851
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: out with the sweaty Boxton gym chargers one thirty. And

852
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: I ran him at Equinox numbers one fifty six. And

853
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: I found that right around ninety at five hundre, your

854
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: members just break even. That could pay thirty k a month.

855
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: Or innt Okay, rock on, rock on, And.

856
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 1: Then I was like, for sure, I'm not going anywhere.

857
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 2: What's your dad think?

858
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: That took about a week.

859
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: That took about it.

860
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: He was not so jazzed because this point was like

861
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: you went through all this beat up. I almost killed

862
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: you three or four times, you know what they were training,

863
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: and you're he's like, you're actually getting good, and he's like, man,

864
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: you hold on for a couple more years. You could

865
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: have a championship twenty million dollars and you know, and

866
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: I just didn't want it. I couldn't. I couldn't function

867
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: the idea of doing something when I already knew I

868
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: love something so much more. I was like, no, I

869
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: love this, you know, boxing would be easy, and I

870
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: end up having one more fight to just like kind

871
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: of put it to bed by myself. But we butted heads,

872
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: not but it heads, but we just disagreed, you know.

873
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I love your support, and

874
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: he's like, how am I going to support that when

875
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: you have a real boxing career, you know, like you

876
00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: can fight on pay per view, you can do all this,

877
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: And I was like nah, And so yeah, he wasn't thrilled.

878
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: In retrospect, when you look back and you realize that

879
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: you really did follow your heart, Like what did that

880
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: experience and leaning toward the boxing gym really teach you?

881
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: You know what? It taught me like this is right

882
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: and the wrong way to do things. I think the

883
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: way I handled things that my father was wrong because

884
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: I didn't I don't know, man. I just finally I

885
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: was just like, forget it. You don't understand da da

886
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: da da, you know, And I wish I had just

887
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: like literally picked up the phone and had a hard

888
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: conversation with him, like every day of the week until

889
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: he was okay with it, because guess what, in the end,

890
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: his point was like, you can make four hundred thousand

891
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: dollars a year of boxing, You're about to sign a

892
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: lease that requires you to pay four hundred thousand dollars

893
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: a year whether you're successful or not. He's like, why

894
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: would you put yourself under that pressure? So he was

895
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: worried about my success, and I think drilling down into

896
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: like learning that and understanding it, I think would have

897
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: been better and more productive.

898
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: Did How long did you guys go? Kind of?

899
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: It was like finally we were just like, let's just

900
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: not talk about it. You know, let's talk about horses

901
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: and family and hamburgers literally horses.

902
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you horse bedding family.

903
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: No, we we race horses that people bet on, but

904
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: we don't bet on them.

905
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 2: Got it?

906
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: I probably would, My dad doesn't.

907
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 2: Okay, So you guys get over that hurdle of sorts

908
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: and you're working on opening a gym in Boston and

909
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: when does it actually open?

910
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 1: So started, I moved to Boston two thousand and March

911
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, and it opened January first, January second, twenty fourteen.

912
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: That's a pretty quick turnaround.

913
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to take six months.

914
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, how did that feel?

915
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: It hurt? It hurt. I think in the I learned

916
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: a lot in the process. You remember all those people

917
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: that I told you were crowding my house, Yeah they were.

918
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: Nobody was anywhere to be found. And I remember looking

919
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: at my cell phone because I had gone from you know,

920
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: being the man to like not the man, and no

921
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: one was calling, no one was hit me up. I

922
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: had Facebook. I was like, y'all can find me.

923
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you. So was social media

924
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: even really a thing for you at this point?

925
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: It was not like it is now. But I had

926
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: five thousand friends on Facebook, you know. So it was

927
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: just weird to see how quiet these get when people

928
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: don't think you're doing anything. Not having money, when you're

929
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: used to have a lot of money, it's awkward. Like

930
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: I had this moment where I had a ten thousand

931
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: dollars BRIONI trench coat and I checked it in and

932
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: I I had a ticket to a fundraiser and I

933
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: couldn't I didn't have enough money to get it back out.

934
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: I didn't realize you were charging and I was like, whoa, whoa,

935
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: this is awkward, right, and some please, But I was like,

936
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: how do I tell them about have any money? I

937
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: just never they probably would have been okay, And some

938
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: lady paid for me she saw me get stuck and

939
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: just later found her. But that and then I remember

940
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: one time like I'm just like because I can't ask

941
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: my dad for help, you know, He's like, hey, you

942
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: have a career, you have a home you can come

943
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: back to, but not doing that, you know. Yeah, So

944
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm remember one time scrounging on my chain to get

945
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: on the bus to get to to work and sent

946
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: you the office where I agent let me use some

947
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: of his office space to work with my business plan,

948
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: and I miscounted. I thought I had more change than

949
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: I did to get on the bus. I was like,

950
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: this is it?

951
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 2: End of the line.

952
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: The bus driver let me on anyway. And so it

953
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: was those moments seeing that guy like be nice to me,

954
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: and it had nothing to do with my father or me.

955
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: He you know, he was just like, yo, you's just

956
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: some big dark dude to get on the bus. And

957
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: so those moments changed me.

958
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. All right, so you open up the

959
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: gym January two, twenty fourteen, and now I mean you

960
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 2: listed a whole lot of other gyms, so obviously it's

961
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: doing pretty well.

962
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. So right around about six months out. I literally

963
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: moved into the gym, and not five months out, and

964
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: I started pre selling and I would four hundred dollars

965
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: a pop, first and last, plus one hundred and fifty

966
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: dollars sign a fee, and we sold six hundred of those.

967
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: Wow.

968
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: And I did like five fifty of those myself, and

969
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: I would just sell, sell, sell, sell, sell, sell sell,

970
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: because I was like, we're gonna can't. I can't open

971
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: up paying thirty k, you know. Yeah, And so we

972
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: opened up Castill Positive and then things have since then

973
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: business wise had been pretty.

974
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty solid, pretty solid, I mean Atlanta yesterday. It's

975
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 2: interesting because you really went from this time where your

976
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: entire existence went revolved around being there for your dad,

977
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: doing things for your dad, and then all of a sudden,

978
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: like you wanted to do things for you, whether that

979
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 2: was the weight loss or opening this gym. And I

980
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: feel like you were so big on supporting him that

981
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: it must have been really difficult for you to feel

982
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: like you didn't have his support in return.

983
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: It was a really weird thing, really weird thing. And

984
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: it's so funny, man, because yeah, I look back in

985
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: my entire life, my entire life. It was like like

986
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: when I was seven, I remember my dad would give

987
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: me one hundred dollars for straight a's and I was like, man,

988
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: I got to get that hundred dollars. And I remember

989
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: one time I came home and I got a B

990
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: and my mom was like she was counting on one

991
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. She was like, you can't do this. Bees

992
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: are for you know what. And I was like, okay,

993
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: I'll never do that again. And and so I was like,

994
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: I got to get them trade a's to get the

995
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: hundred dollars because my dad's going to be proud of me.

996
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: And then so on and so forth, and like always

997
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 1: just performing at a high level, speaking well or whatever

998
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: it was because of my dad. But I looked up

999
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 1: to my dad and these are all great things, good grades,

1000
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: speaking well, never getting in trouble. And then went right

1001
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: into my professional career managing him, and it was all

1002
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: about making sure like he was successful, but I was

1003
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: successful on the way as well, and then fighting although

1004
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: it was all about me, and it was it was

1005
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: about doing exactly what he told me to do. And

1006
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: so yeah, the minute I'd stopped doing that, And it's

1007
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: so funny, I think it was a minute I started

1008
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: to gain his respect in a good way, but it

1009
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: was just it's weird for everybody, Like what do we

1010
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: do in Monk's life? Is not all about dad, you know?

1011
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: And the good news is I have had three occasions

1012
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 1: when my dad grabbed me and sent me a text

1013
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: and said it verbally. He's like, man, you did this

1014
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: all on your own. You would have had no other

1015
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: chance to do it. And he's like, you can finally

1016
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: say that you did something no one else helped you,

1017
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: because everybody's the thing. I did it. You did it

1018
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: all on your own. I'm so proud of you. And

1019
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: he's told me that three times, so in hindsight, it

1020
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: was awesome.

1021
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: It's really special that you can recall all three times

1022
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: where he said that to you.

1023
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: Yep, I'm being shouted it.

1024
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 2: It's interesting to me though, because I feel like it

1025
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: almost makes me appreciate the relationships that I have, whether

1026
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: it's with my parents or with my friends when they

1027
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 2: say things that like I'm so proud of you or

1028
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: I support you, because I've lost track of that with

1029
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: a lot of the people that I care about. So

1030
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 2: to think about this idea that your father has said

1031
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: this to you three specific times. It's mind blowing. It's

1032
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 2: so much.

1033
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: I didn't think about it too. You said it. But

1034
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: it's important to note those things, you know. Sometimes you

1035
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: forget when you're upset with people.

1036
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 2: Totally. All right, So now we've built a successful business,

1037
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: we're feeling good.

1038
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 1: What I got off the couch?

1039
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: Got off the couch? Where's your primary home?

1040
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: Boston?

1041
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: Okay? When you when you look back on building this

1042
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 2: business so far, what would you say has been one

1043
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: of the best pieces of advice that someone has offered you?

1044
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: I'd say, too, I think I hate to give my

1045
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: dad credit because but uh, I don't know why. I

1046
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: just get him in credit, you know what I mean,

1047
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: because I know he's like yep. But I'd say two

1048
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: pieces of advice actually too from two Georgia's One guy's

1049
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: guy named George that ran a large internet company, and uh, anyway,

1050
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: he told me get rid of non nonperformers, get rid

1051
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: of performers. But then he said he'll take his time

1052
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: with nonperformance. It got to get rid of him quick

1053
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: because by the time you notice, other people in the

1054
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: company notice and it affects their not only there the

1055
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: person who's underperforming, but everybody else starts underperforming and and

1056
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: the other reasons, So get rid of them, but take

1057
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: your time, schedule an hour or two for a few weeks,

1058
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: and help that person find a place where they shine

1059
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: with another company if it's not within your company. So

1060
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: that's been great, and typically it's hard, but when you

1061
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: take that extra effort to see somebody into a place

1062
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: where they shine, you actually feel better than if you

1063
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: had let them stay in your organization and faster on

1064
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 1: their own. You know, people underperforming, like that's the worst

1065
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: thing that can happen to a person in my opinion,

1066
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: and a professional organization and know they're underperforming. Number two

1067
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: is tender loving care. I asked my dad once. I

1068
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know how to open the next

1069
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: gym because I don't know why people are coming to

1070
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: this one. I was like, I have nicer treadmills and Equinox,

1071
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: you know. I always like, was like, I got to

1072
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: make sure I can get an Equinox customer, not that

1073
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: I knew about the business model. I was like, I

1074
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: have shower, steam room, juice bar, physical therapy, I have

1075
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty classes a week. I have everything.

1076
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: So when I open the next one, Do I just

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Speaker 1: do everything? It could be a waste. They may only

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00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: be coming for one thing. And he said, what you

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00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: may find is that people are just coming for a

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00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: little tender, loving care. The way you make them feel.

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00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: He's like, they might just be coming for you. And

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00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: what he meant by that is the way you make

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00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: them feel. And he's like, you're trying to replicate energy

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00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: and a swagger and a vibe. And I was like,

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00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: as long as you figure that out and people feel

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00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: welcome when they walk in and motivate it on the

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00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 1: way out, you shouldn't worry about opening the next gym,

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00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 1: because it's about that, it's not about the treadmill. I'd

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Speaker 1: say those two pieces.

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Speaker 2: Advice interesting, all right, I've got to ask you. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you did just offer me a piece of advice that

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Speaker 2: your father gave you. But I feel like you, unlike

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00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,479
Speaker 2: a lot of kids growing up, and especially like during

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00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 2: those teenage years, I feel like you like look for independence,

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00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: you try to get away from your parents, but literally

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00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 2: during the height of your teenage years, and like as

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00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: you're becoming like a young man, you are spending so

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00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 2: much time with your dad. Yeah, when you think about

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00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: that time. Is there anything specific that stood out to you,

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Speaker 2: like a lesson that you learned as you were coming

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Speaker 2: of age.

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Speaker 1: There's so many We spent so many hours talking like

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00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: he made me read like warrant peace when I was

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00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: like eighteen or something, you know, and we talk about

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00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: it on our like so many hours, man, But observing

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00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: how things play out year after year and being able

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00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: to sit and talk to it four years later with

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00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: your dad and you guys were talking about it four

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00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: years before in business. But I would say, if I

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00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 1: look back, it was pattern recognition. It's big on that

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00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: pattern recognition. Taking notes so you can have the ability

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00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: to recognize patterns and reflect on them and plan for

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00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: the future. And patience, man, patience, patience, patience, patience. And

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you a funny story that I'll help you

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00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: remember his take on it and what he passed on

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00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: to me. His sparring partners. Glad I got to box good.

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Speaker 1: I would have never taken this lesson full circle. He

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00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: had a sparing partner that would fight. He sparred with

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00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: my dad, well, my dad was active, and then he

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Speaker 1: stayed healthy enough to be my sporting partner when I

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Speaker 1: was training and he said, your dad is uh. He said, George,

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00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: you got to watch out for him because mostly when

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00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: you spar and you box, right it, guy hits you

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00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: with a good shot and you everybody hits a guy

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00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: back right away. He said, George, wait two weeks before

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00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: you get you and you know that that that's something

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00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: I learned from him, just the patience and you know,

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Speaker 1: if there's going to be any reconciliation, like, don't do

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00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: it when people know you know, and by the time

1130
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:21,959
Speaker 1: you decide to do a boxing is different. You gotta

1131
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: get him back, but by the time you decide to

1132
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: do it, you typically find out that it wasn't that

1133
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: important anyway. And the full circle on that is forgiveness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just had a baby, right, Yeah, how does that.

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Speaker 1: Forgiveness?

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, well, like, what do you

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Speaker 2: want to pass on to your forgiveness?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, forgiveness, forgiveness, forgiveness, forgiveness. I mean, my favorite saying

1139
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: is forgiveness is a subtle thread that bonds both love

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00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: and friendship. And I think without that, who are we

1141
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: without the people around us? And you're gonna have to

1142
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: forgive somebody in your life, especially the people close because

1143
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: they get the ability to hurt you the best. So

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Speaker 1: I think, well, my daughter, it's more about I need

1145
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: her to forgive me. I already know I'm a helicopter

1146
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: dad times ten. So forgiveness I love it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, winding down here the final question. I ask all

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Speaker 2: my guests right now, if you had the opportunity to

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00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 2: offer yourself one piece of advice that George who's almost

1150
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 2: three hundred pounds, he's doing everything he can for his dad,

1151
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: but he is not happy, and he knows that he

1152
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: needs to make a change. What piece of advice do

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00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: you give that guy? Looking back on that time in

1154
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: your life right now.

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00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: Cut the cord. Cut the cord, any chord that's attached

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00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: to you that's holding you back. You know, you thinkure

1157
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 1: about a big pipe, right and you attach a little

1158
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: pipe on the side and suck a little water out

1159
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: of it, then another and another. You have this big

1160
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: eight inch pipe. But by the time you have all

1161
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: these little hoses poking at the end of that pipe,

1162
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: where your goals are and your dreams are, I'd say,

1163
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: there's nothing left right and that's where your happiness is at.

1164
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: The ability to have some pressure, some force. So cut

1165
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: the chords. Anybody you have to cut the cord on,

1166
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: sit down with them, give them a hug, like love them,

1167
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: put a picture of them on your wall. But if

1168
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: you need to cut the cord and someone who's sucking

1169
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: you dry, you got to do it quick, swift, and

1170
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: I like swift and deadly to me means like, don't

1171
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: saw somebody's arm, I just chop it, cut the cord.

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Speaker 1: And then secondly is look at conflicts as an ability

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00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: to make all your relationships stronger. It's the shirt. If

1174
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 1: you can, you're not always gonna nail it. But conflict

1175
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: to me, on the other side of conflict is growth

1176
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: when you face it head on with the goal of

1177
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: ending on the other side friends and family. So just

1178
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 1: like like get good at resolving conflict, Like there's books

1179
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: on it, and I think those are the two things.

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Speaker 1: Like I didn't know there was a book on conflict resolution,

1181
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: Like I wish I had read that. To cut the chords,

1182
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: resolve conflict, and follow your love, man, follow your path,

1183
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: your dream, your north star. Fast.

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00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 2: Now, where's any spoiler alert on where the next EBF.

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00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: Is going to be? I want one on every corner,

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00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: every corner, seriously, Like I think a boxing I'm sorry,

1187
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: I want to boxing you on every corner. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: to the extent I can be a part of supplying

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Speaker 1: even just motivation for people to open more boxing gyms.

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Speaker 1: That's what to me, it's all about.

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Speaker 2: I love it. Thank you so much for giving me

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Speaker 2: your time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: This is dope. Please take a moment and leave a

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Speaker 2: quick review by clicking the link with the description to

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Speaker 2: this episode. We all face multiple hurles in life. I

1197
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: want to hear about yours. Reach Out to me at

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Speaker 2: Emily at hurdle dot us. Connect to the podcast on

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Speaker 2: Instagram and Twitter at Hurdle Podcast. George, where do they

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Speaker 2: find you? Where do they find EBF? Give me the rundown.

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Speaker 1: I'm everybody fights Everything and George Forman the third pretty

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Speaker 1: transparent reach out please awesome.

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Speaker 2: I am at Emily a body another hurdle conquered. Catch

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Speaker 2: you guys next time.

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Speaker 1: To do in my