1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Now on Bloomberg government, What are the political reality the 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: president has increasingly frustrated. I want to try to cut 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: through the noise politically. This is devastating sound off with Kevin, 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: the insiders, the influencers, the insiders. There is no secret 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: that I care a lot about the consumers. There are 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: real questions about did tech we still have more leverage 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: to me as Britney's tariffs. I think we could do 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: with a little less drama from the White House. This 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: is sound on with Givins. Relate on Bloomberg one and 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: one oh five point seven at m h D two 11 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: boltom Ole. Happy Tuesday, folks. Are you ready for the snow? 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: It's gonna start tomorrow in the early morning hours. But 13 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: here in Washington, d C. Talk still about the US 14 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: Mexico border wall and now California leading the way in 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: states that are going against the U. S. Government and 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: they're going to They filed a lawsuit that will challenge 17 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: President Trump's authority to deliver a wall along the US 18 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: Mexico border. We're going to get into all of that 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: with an all star panel. Ryan Williams, Republican strategists and 20 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: executive vice president at Targeted Victory as well as Dave Brown. 21 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: He is a Democratic strategist and former adviser to Senator 22 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: Patty Murray. In addition to that, we focus on the 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: presidential election. What does President Trump have to say about 24 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: Senator Bernie Sanders. But first let's get a check on 25 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: those headlines with Nancy Lyons. Nancy, thanks, Kevin. As you mentioned, 26 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: President Trump believes he will prevail over a multi state 27 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: lawsuit challenging his emergency declaration to pay or a US 28 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: Mexico for a US Mexico border wall. I have an 29 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: absolute right to call national security. We need strong borders. 30 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: We have to stop drugs and crime, and criminals and 31 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: human trafficking, and we have to stop all of those 32 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: things that a strong wall will stop. Trump was speaking 33 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: with reporters at the White House. Virginia and Maryland are 34 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: among the sixteen states filing suit. A federal judge today 35 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: ordered Trump advisor Roger Stone to appear in court to 36 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: consider whether to revoke his bail after he posted a 37 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: photo on Instagram of the judge with what appeared to 38 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: be crosshairs of a gun. US District Judge Amy Berman 39 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: Jackson says Stone must show for the hearing on Thursday 40 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: and prove why she should not modify or revoke his 41 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: bail or implement a full gag order in his case, Well, 42 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: now is the time to stock up on the usual 43 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: supplies like bread and milk, because by this time tomorrow 44 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: we will see some snow. Bloomberg Meteorologist Rob Caroline has 45 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: more on when this storm is expected to arrive. Nancy. 46 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: The snow looks to arrive at five o'clock tomorrow morning. 47 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 1: Winter Storm Morning goes into effect at one in the morning. 48 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: I think the biggest impact will be on tomorrow morning's 49 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: commute because it will be snowing, and that's gonna slow 50 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 1: everybody getting into work, he says. Tomorrow afternoons commute could 51 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: be rough as well, with much of the snow turning 52 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: to slush. By Thursday, the temperatures will be warming up again. 53 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: Three months into his second term, Maryland Governor Larry Hogan 54 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: continues to enjoy high approval rating, but that's not necessarily 55 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: translating into a desire that he run for president. The 56 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: Lady Scout your College Pole shows eight percent of Marylanders 57 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: find Hogan likable, eight percent like how he's running the 58 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: state government. Seventy percent consider him honest and trustworthy. Two 59 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: out of three Maryland residents in this poll disapprove of 60 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: President Trump's job performance, though at the same time, fifty 61 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: five percent think Hogan should not mount a primary challenge 62 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 1: against him. Nathan Hagar, Bloomberg and one oh five point 63 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: seven f m HD two. The DC Council has given 64 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: final approval to a bill to fast track sports betting 65 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: in the city. The vote was eight to four. The 66 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: company that runs the city's lottery program, inter Loot, will 67 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: also run the sports betting. We may be able to 68 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: place your bets as early as this fall time. Now 69 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: for the Beltway Business Report, here is Bloomberg's Larry Costki 70 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: Well Nancy. It was a narrowly higher day on Wall Street. 71 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: Consumer shares provided support on stellar earnings from Walmart. That 72 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: Jones Industrial Average gained eight s and P five hundred 73 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: rows four in the NASDAC composite added fourteen. It was 74 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: a merry Christmas season for Walmart, and investors celebrated. The 75 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: retailer turned in its best holiday quarter in at least 76 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: a decade, with the same store sales climbing four point 77 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: two percent. Walmart chairs gained more than two percent. Baltimore 78 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: is suing Monsanto and two other companies, accusing them of 79 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: polluting city waterway. The legal effort focuses on pollution from PCBs. 80 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: Baltimore alleges Monsanto knew its PCBs for toxic and didn't 81 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: degrade in nature. The FAA is investigating what it called 82 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: Southwest Airlines widespread miscalculation of the weight of check bags 83 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: on its flights, baggage and weight balance effect calculations such 84 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: as fuel requirements and take off and landing speeds. The 85 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: Bloomberg ninety nine one Washington d C. Area Stock Index 86 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: ended little changed Europe to date. On business from the 87 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: Beltway to Baltimore. I'm Larikowsky. This is Bloomberg nine one 88 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: Mono five point seven FM, the h D two. Thanks Larry. 89 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: Global News twenty four hours a day on air and 90 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: at TikTok on Twitter, powered by more than journalists and 91 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: analysts in more than twenty countries. I'm Nancy Alliance back 92 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: to you, Kevin. Thank you Nancy. And that snow is 93 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: coming tonight three to five inches starting, uh, I believe 94 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: in the early morning hours, so everybody get ready for that. Uh. 95 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: But busy day here in Washington along the US Mexico border. 96 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: Now other states are suing this White House. They're saying that, well, 97 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: the president doesn't have the constitutional authority to declare a 98 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: national emergency. The President, as he said in that press 99 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: conference on Friday at the Rose Garden, he says, bring 100 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: it on. He's ready for a legal battle. And Democrats 101 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: say the same thing. How does the politics impact the policy. 102 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: We're gonna get into all of that, plus the latest 103 00:05:54,480 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: developments regarding the presidential election. President Trump had some interesting 104 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: comments about demoic self described Democratic socialist Senator Bernie Sanders. 105 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: Uh And we're also going to get into what President 106 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: Trump has to say responding to a New York Times 107 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: report that he asked for Matthew Whittaker to be in 108 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: charge uh of or to change really some hush money payments. 109 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: All of that coming up. We have an all star panel. 110 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: Ryan Williams, friend of the program, Republican strategist and executive 111 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: vice president at Targeted Victory Fund. Ryking rats on the 112 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: new job, it's official official. How are things going over there? 113 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: Very very well and really enjoying my time at Target 114 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: of Victory. Good Dave Brown, Democratic strategist and former advisor 115 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: to Senator Patty Murray. And you are all where are you? 116 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: You're at all? Right? So Dave, thanks for being here. 117 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: So what do you make of all of these states, 118 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: California leading the way to to sue the White House 119 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: to say President Trump doesn't have the legal authority to 120 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: build his wall. Yeah, I mean, this is this is 121 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: not a surprise. We saw this coming. Governors of telegraphed this, 122 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: and frankly, I think it plays to a certain extent 123 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: into the President's hands because this now gives him a 124 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: talking point all the way through. I mean, the wall 125 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: has been a key issue for him for his base 126 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: since he ran and now that there's a protracted legal battle, 127 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: this gives him a foil to continue to talk about immigration, right. 128 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: Actually thinking a way politically, if you're the White House, 129 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: do you think that these lawsuits help you? Yeah? Look, 130 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: I mean he couldn't get anything done in Congress on this. 131 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: He had to do something to appease his base. And 132 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: now he declares the emergency. And you know, as you 133 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: pointed out, now he's got a foil. You know, he's 134 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: got has democratic governors trying to sue him to stop 135 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: the wall. Um, this will go to the courts. This 136 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: is not unexpected. There'll be a court decision at some point. 137 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: If it goes in his favor, he can say I'm 138 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: building the wall. If it doesn't, he can blame the courts. 139 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: He can blame the governors and say this is why 140 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: I need to be re elected to keep pushing this. 141 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: So it gives him someone to blame since he couldn't 142 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: get the wall done in Congress. I was struck by this. 143 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: Kelly O'Donnell at the Rose Garden from NBC, she asked 144 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: President Trump about this, uh, and I thought it was 145 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: a really interesting question because it really kind of got 146 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: him to say something that perhaps he wasn't I don't 147 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: want to say it wasn't prepared to say. But she 148 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: asked him point blank if if if he was disappointed 149 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: in Speaker Paul Ryan, former Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, 150 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: for not dealing with immigration earlier. And Ryan, I, I 151 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: have to be honest here. For Republicans, you might disagree 152 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: with their policy, but for Republicans, that moment, yes they 153 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: didn't have a super majority in the Senate, but that 154 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: moment to get some type of immigration reform done really 155 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: seems to have passed them by right. But look, I 156 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: think it's wrong to blame Paul Ryan for that. He 157 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: had a very very divided caucus on many issues while 158 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: he was Speaker, and he managed to bring them together 159 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: on big issues that did take a lot of time 160 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: in that two year period, like tax reform, which they done. 161 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: So I think the President was wrong to escapegoat the speaker, 162 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: and um, you know, even members of his base like 163 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: and Coulter said that was not the right approach either, 164 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: and said it was really his lack of leadership that 165 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: resulted not getting things done. I actually I actually agree 166 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: with with that. I mean, I think I think Speaker 167 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: Ryan's challenge was was the Freedom Caucus and the fact 168 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: that he couldn't command a majority of his caucus when 169 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: it came to immigration reform. And you know, when I 170 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: served in the Senate and the Senate actually passed immigration 171 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: reform and Democrats and Republicans came together by partisan package, 172 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: it died in the House, and there again was Speaker Bayner. Uh. He, 173 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: like like Paul Ryan, unable to bring together the much 174 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: more I think for fracture sort of very conservative UM 175 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: hardliners who who frankly, I think Democrats think are outside 176 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: of the mainstream on immigration. But for Paul Ryan, he 177 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: was in he was in a bind. I mean, that 178 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: was a pretty tough spot for him to be And 179 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: you can't do it piece by piece. It has to 180 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: be comprehensively. So many different views on him agradation that 181 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: you can't do it just a wall and nothing else. 182 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: Dave Brown, Democratic strategists and former adviser to Senator Patty Murray. 183 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: Ryan Williams, Republican strategists and a VP at Targeted Victory 184 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: our panel for the hour. We're talking about President Trump 185 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: now facing legal hurdles on his declaration of a national 186 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: emergency to get about eight billion dollars to build the wall. Now, 187 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: the budget agreement that funded the government in the short 188 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: term allocated him about one point three seven billion. He 189 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: had originally called for five point six But I gotta 190 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: be honest privately, when I talked to senior sources at 191 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: the White House, they were really preparing to go this 192 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: too fur approach. The whole time. They knew that they 193 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: weren't going to get the money from Congress as much 194 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: as they had hoped, and they were carefully laying the 195 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: groundwork for there to be also a legal pursuit. But 196 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: I want to play for you what President Trump said 197 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: earlier today about the state of the legal affair. Here's 198 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: President Trump. I actually think we might do very well 199 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: even in the Ninth Circuit because it's an open and 200 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: closed case. I was put here for security, So Dave, 201 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: I mean the President is saying, essentially bring it on, right, right. 202 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: I mean I also think that's the first time he's 203 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: ever said something nice about the Ninth Circuit, right. I mean, 204 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what's in the water at the White 205 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 1: House today. That's that's crazy. Um No, Look, I mean 206 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: he's saying bring it on. I think he feels probably 207 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: a bit emboldened after the the um battle that he 208 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: he waged in the courts when it came to the 209 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: immigration ban. And this is a White House that is 210 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: very comfortable flexing. Uh, it's executive authority. I mean the 211 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: irony here is that the much like President Obama and 212 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: even President Bush before, you know, increasingly, as Congress becomes 213 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: more fractured, more partisan, more ineffective in executing its core 214 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: Article one duties, the presidency has has grown in power 215 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: because they're executing an agenda through through regulation and through 216 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: those in hair in power. So I think the President 217 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 1: he feels emboldened here and he probably thinks that he 218 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: has a very strong case when it comes to a 219 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: core national security argument, which is within the amb and 220 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: of his Article two responsibility. But he was fascinating is 221 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: that the President said this a little bit on his 222 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: press conference on Friday. He did lay the groundwork of 223 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: he wants to have some type of debate on comprehensive 224 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 1: immigration reform. Last week on our show we had J. 225 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: Timmins on. He of course, is the CEO of the 226 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: National Association of Manufacturers and they're putting out comprehensive type 227 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: of immigration reform. But given the lay of the land 228 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: here in domestic politics, where you've got virtually every top 229 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: tier Democratic senator in Iowa and New Hampshire on the weekends, 230 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that there's really any impetus to get 231 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: some type of meaningful comprehensive immigration reform done between now 232 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: and Actually Senator Kamala Harris was campaigning over the weekend 233 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: and she weighed in on all of this. Here, Senator Harris, 234 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: we have a president United States who has created a 235 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: fiction about a crisis at the border, and he has 236 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: held up the United States government and its workers around 237 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: his vanity project called a wall. That was. That was 238 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: Senator Kamala Harris speaking in her first trip in New 239 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: Hampshire yesterday at a Democratic presidential candidate of forums. So 240 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: so Ryan Democrats are saying that this is a vanitybill. 241 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: Senator Harris calls it a vanity project. But if you 242 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: look at the seventy thousand voters who flipped from Obama 243 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: to Trump, you know, I mean, is that that might 244 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: help in a primary, but is it going to help 245 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: in a general um. Look, she calls it a vanity project. 246 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: The President made a promise to get this wall done. So, 247 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: whether you agree with him or didn't agree with him, 248 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: he ran on this and this is what his his 249 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: platform was the basis of his platform. So he's doing 250 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: what he said he was gonna do. Whether you agree 251 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: with him or not. The approach, I mean, we can 252 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: debate that. The courts will will weigh on it um, 253 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 1: but it is he he wants to show his voters that, 254 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: unlike you know, in his view of some of his predecessors, 255 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: he's keeping his word. But we're not going to see 256 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 1: comprehensive immigration reform anytime soon. I agree that we're not 257 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: going to see comprehence immigration reform, where I disagree the 258 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: president's keeping his word to his base. But the problem 259 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: with that is that super majorities of Americans don't support 260 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: this wall. They didn't support it in terms of a shutdown. 261 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: They didn't think that was important enough. They agree on 262 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: the need for border security, but they don't like the 263 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: way this president is kind of about doing that. And 264 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: so the president is fulfilling a promise to his base. 265 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: But the problem is his base is diminishing. He's not 266 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: growing his base here, it's shrinking. And you all you 267 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: have to do is look at the midterms, even looking 268 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: at you know, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, three states that 269 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: gave him the presidency in terms of the electoral college. 270 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: Where are you from, by the way, Seattle? Okay? Because 271 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: I send a Philly sent a Billy accent. And my 272 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: dad's my dad's from from Pennsylvania. Okay, I'm from Philly. 273 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: So I mean that's why I was like, there's I mean, 274 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: maybe see Sattle and Philly. Maybe there's maybe there's more 275 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: in common. They're coming up. We talked more about the Wall, 276 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: of course, can't go and I can't go a show 277 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: without talking about the well as well as trade policy, 278 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: and we get back to what does President Trump have 279 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: to say about Bernie Sanders relaunching his presidential ambitions. Panel 280 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: stays Ryan Williams, Republican strategists and E V P at 281 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: Targeted Victory, as well as Dave Brown, Democratic strategists and 282 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: former adviser to Senator Patty Murray. Remember, folks, you can 283 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: download the sound on podcast on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg 284 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: dot com, or by downloading the Bloomberg Business App. You 285 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: can also check us out on radio dot com and 286 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: on I Hear Radio the show. The Snow is coming. 287 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: Get ready, I'm Kevin SURRELLI you're listening to Bloomberg. You're 288 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: listening to Sound On with Kevin Surreally on Bloomberg and 289 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: one seven F M h D two Baltimore. Happy Tuesday, folks. 290 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: Are you ready for the snow or your kid's gonna 291 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: have all from school tomorrow? Two hour delay where we'll 292 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: be on I'm Kevin's Really, Bloomberg News TV and Radio 293 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: Chief Washington correspondent. We were talking earlier about the lawsuits 294 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: and the legal challenges. That President Trump faces with his 295 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: declaration of a national emergency. Both Democrats and Republicans say 296 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: that they're going to win in a court. We'll have 297 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: to leave it up to the courts. Ryan Williams is 298 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: a Republican strategist and a VP at Targeted Victory. Dave 299 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: Brown is a Democrat strategist and former advisor to Senator 300 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: Patty Murray. You all you also cannot watch like Fox 301 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: or Fox Business without seeing Dave Brown, the Democratic strategist. 302 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: You and my friend Kaprica far Oh are like the 303 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: Democrats on Fox News World. What does that like to 304 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: go on Fox as the Democrat? It's it's uh, it's interesting. 305 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: I get some interesting I get I get some really 306 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: sweet tweets from from loyal viewers who have really constructive 307 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: things to say about about my point of view. Really 308 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: looks like I can. You probably don't want to ask me. 309 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: I actually do a thing. I have a rule, like 310 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: I made a New Year's resolution not to look at 311 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: Twitter when you after you go on. I mean, it's 312 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: it's kind of toxic. It's a little toxic. Uh. What 313 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: is not toxic as of now is US China trade talks? 314 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: Is that for a Pivot, Christine Barada, executive our producer, 315 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: managing producer. Uh. The Chinese delegation is said to be 316 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: in the US this week, Ryan, And they were the traders, 317 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: as President Trump calls them, Treasury Secretary Stephen Manution as 318 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: well as US Trade Representative Bob Lightheizer. They were there 319 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: last week in China, and everybody wants to know when 320 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: President Trump and when President She Jing Ping will finally 321 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: come face to face. And President says he wants to 322 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: hammer out a deal personally with President She. But President 323 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: Trump was talking about this earlier today. Ryan, I want 324 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: to play for you what the President said about US 325 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: China trade relations, and then I want to get your response. 326 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: Take a lesson very detailed discussions on subjects that have 327 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: never really been even discussed by people that's at in 328 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: this chair, and they should have been very important subjects. 329 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: And I think we're doing very well. Are we doing 330 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: very well? We don't know. Um. There's a lot of 331 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: presidential tweets and statements about how well the negotiations are going, 332 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: but we don't have an agreement yet. And I don't 333 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: think we're gonna have a She and Trump meeting until 334 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: we're very close I think that's at the end of 335 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: the process if there is an agreement. But look, both 336 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: sides want to win. Um. I think the Chinese are 337 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: Their economy is um is somewhat sluggish now. I think 338 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: they are feeling the effects of of the tariffs. Maybe 339 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: that forces them into a deal, Maybe it doesn't. Maybe 340 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: they try to wait it out and see what happens 341 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,239 Speaker 1: in the election, and if there's a changing course, if 342 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: Trump does not win reelection, we don't know, um, and 343 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: we'll just have to wait and see what happens. Okay, 344 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: So I was struck by this, uh dave about how 345 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: the President said he wants to invite Democrats to accompany 346 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: him with his meeting with President She. If you were 347 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: advising how Speaker Nancy Pelosi or Seniatement Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, 348 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: would you tell them, yeah, you should totally go with 349 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: President Trump and to meet with President She. Well, first 350 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: I would I would make sure that the President doesn't 351 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: cancel the Speaker's air force plan again, because that wasn't 352 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: very nice. Um. Look, I know I don't think that 353 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: is also laughing at that. For what it's worth, I 354 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 1: don't think a Democrat gets anything by by being with 355 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: the president for a photo op. Uh, when the president's 356 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: meeting with with President she On on a trade debate 357 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: that he opened, that he declared, and really he staked 358 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: his his legacy and in some respect actually not some, 359 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: in many respects his re election on. I don't think 360 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: that there is an interest there for Democrats to to 361 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: be party to that, especially because, um, you know what 362 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: the president likely will do is declare some kind of victory. 363 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: He has to have a victory, right, whether it's cosmetic 364 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: or real. And so, from a purely pull political perspective, 365 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: setting policy out of this for a second, the political 366 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: optics of that, he's got to own that. There's there's 367 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 1: there's no upside to Democrats taking some of the pressure 368 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: off of him by standing in that photo op. And 369 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: but from a policy standpoint, there's a lot of nonpartisan 370 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: consensus on China's issues. I mean, you've got intellectual property, 371 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: You've got a host of different issues that that even 372 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: people like Senator Mark Warner, a Democrat from Virginia, he 373 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: he wants to see some type He's worked with Senator 374 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: Marco Rubio, a Republican from Florida, on issues pertaining to 375 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: national security. But but Ryan is Dave right in the 376 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: sense that President Trump does want a political victory, and 377 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: it would be like a home run if he could 378 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: convince Democrats to go over there with him and deliver 379 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: a deal. Well, I mean, and any president delivering on 380 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: a campaign promises of, you know, a political victory, and 381 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: I think every everybody would want that. Look, there's a 382 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: lot of bipartisan support for holding Shina accountable. You've got 383 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: people like Shared Brown in Ohio who, if many years, 384 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: has been kind of on this whole Joe Bernie Sanders 385 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: even has been on this um. But I think the 386 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 1: President himself is is issues aside, is personally too toxic 387 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: with Democrats for them to go support him on really 388 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: anything right now, especially if they're considering running for presidents 389 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: someone like a Shared Brown. So while there may be 390 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: some common ground on the actual policy proposal, I don't 391 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: think you're going to see many Democrats lining up behind 392 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: the President on really anything right now. Yeah. I think 393 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: that's right. I mean, I do think it is interesting. 394 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: Within the Democratic Party there's there's been a bit of 395 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: a shift where, you know, historically you've had a lot 396 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: of folks who have been who have been skeptical of 397 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: free trade, and on the Republican side, traditionally you've had 398 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: folks who are far more um in favor of free trade, 399 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: and there's been a bit of a paradigm shift, and 400 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: and really I think a lot of Republicans, particularly those 401 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: who are in Congress right now, having to react to 402 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: a president who doesn't share and didn't run on their 403 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: traditional beliefs about free trade, and so that that divide 404 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: also playing out on the Democratic side. I agree in 405 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: terms of pointing out Senator Sanders, Senator Brown, but I 406 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: think your point's well taken that it's just so toxic. 407 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: The presidents made this about him in a way where 408 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: it really politically is impossible for Democrats, especially democrats running 409 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: for president, to ever explain to a primary vote, and 410 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: he's not really included these Democrats that are with him 411 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: in the process. You look back at other bipartisan initiatives 412 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: in the past, George Bush with Ted Kennedy, that child 413 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: left Behind, We really haven't seen that with Trump as 414 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: terminal Justice reform, Well, that was more Kim Kardashian than 415 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: any day Kim k President Trump. Nancy Pelosi coming up, 416 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: we talk not about Kim Kardashian, but about the twenty 417 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: presidential race. We talked a little bit about Share about 418 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: he's actually my dark horse right now. I think Senator 419 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: Share Brown, Democrat from Ohio, and your guy, well, I 420 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: guess not really, but your neck of the Woods Senator 421 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: Jeff Merkley, I think I think he could be. I 422 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: think he could be. I think he's like another one. 423 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk more about presidential field. Merkley, Brown and 424 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: Bernie coming up with our all star panel. Ryan Williams 425 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: Republican strategist, Dave Brown, Democratic strategist. And remember, folks, you 426 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: can down the Sound on podcast on Apple iTunes, at 427 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: Bloomberg dot com, or get the Bloomberg Business app. It's 428 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: a great app. You can also check us out on 429 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: radio dot com and on I Heart Radio. I'm Kevin 430 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: CURRELLI you're listening to Bloomberg. This is sound on. We 431 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: need different leadership, there's any question about it. Truth, I 432 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: said I would take a hardware app to the election. 433 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: I will not be a candidate for president. Keep America. Really, 434 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,479 Speaker 1: I gotta say I love that music. It's the segment 435 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: preview music. And I can't believe we're already talking about 436 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: the presidential election race, especially when news out of Washington 437 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: is just so complex and policy driven, especially in these 438 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: times with Democrats challenging the legality of President Trump's declaration 439 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: of a national wall. He wants eight billion dollars, folks, 440 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: to build that wall. It's gonna end up in the courts. 441 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: And the Chinese delegation here in the US this week 442 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: to meet with Treasury Secretary Stephen Venusian to continue hammering 443 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: out those details of the world's two largest economies negotiating 444 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: on trade deals. But you can't ignore the fact that 445 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: over the holiday weekend, virtually everyone in the very crowded 446 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: presidential campaign field for the Democratic primary they were out campaigning. 447 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: Ryan Williams is a Republican strategist, Dave Brown is a 448 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: Democratic strategist. And Rit John is one of my good, 449 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: dear friends and Bloomberg colleagues. And I just saw her 450 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: wandering past the studio and you were in New hamp 451 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: She's a Bloomberg congressional reporter, covered the Sanders campaign in 452 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: the last UH presidential cycle. We became buddies when I 453 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: was the Trump campaign reporter. Sleep deprived friends right very much. 454 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: And now it's all starting all over again, yet more 455 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: sleep deprivation, more driving, criss crossing across the country. Um, 456 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: I saw five presidential candidates in New Hampshire. Presidential cand Okay, 457 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: who'd you see centered Kirsten Gilbrand, Um I saw Tulsi Gabbard, um, 458 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: Corey Booker, Kamala Harris, and Amy Cloverture. Okay, let's start 459 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: at the top. Who or who? First of all, how 460 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: did they all do? What did? What? Did you notice 461 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: as you're as you're going through all this? One thing 462 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: I noticed is that Corey Booker really commands a crowd. 463 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: He has this very sweeping stump speech about basically connecting 464 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: the march on Selma to the activist who helps his 465 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: family buy a home in a white community, to him 466 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: being able to go to Stanford, and how all of 467 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: that is interconnected the personal story. Yes, and he talks 468 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: about restoring civic grace, getting people excited about acting in democracy, 469 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: acting for democracy, and making the world the country a 470 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,959 Speaker 1: better place. Sounds like make America great again? Just kidding, 471 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: A nicer version of a much nicer progressive version of that. 472 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: What about she has this whole like midwestern thing. It 473 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: was interesting she was there for her CNN town hall, 474 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: and she came an event beforehand. She comes in and 475 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: like khakis and like ap plaid shirt, very like folksy. Yeah, 476 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: she met with voters at a bar. She talked about 477 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: she referenced her her announcement speech in Minnesota. Basically everywhere 478 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: she goes she brings the snow. It snowed when she 479 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: was in Iowa, definitely snow the day she was in 480 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 1: New Hampshire. Um, and she, I mean her whole thing 481 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: is that, like you know, I'm going to tell you 482 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,719 Speaker 1: the truth, Like Medicare for all sounds nice, but like 483 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: we can't. She said she was not for free college 484 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: for all. Right, she like that was a hard no 485 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: Medicare for all. Well maybe, but this is what we 486 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: can do right now, right now. We can help refinance 487 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: student loans. Right now, we can like lower the Medicare 488 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: by an aged fifties. So she, I mean, it depends 489 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: on our voter is gonna go for that or do 490 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: they want to? Hear Um Kamala Harris and Corey Book 491 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: Senator Harris. Senator Harris has some star power. I think 492 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: I know. She had like a note tier are like 493 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: a like a surprise stop by a restaurant and a 494 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: woman who walked in and found out she was there 495 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: freaked out. She was so excited. She was telling her 496 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: kids like she's a strong woman. I'm really excited for her. 497 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: People sort of flocked to her and they She had 498 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: a town hall in Portsmouth, um ports Smith, I miss 499 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,719 Speaker 1: Port Smith. It's so beautiful. They have a really good 500 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: place for soft pretzels there. It's a it's a very 501 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: back to Senator Harris, go ahead, I mean she so, 502 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: she seems like she's drawing the biggest crowds right now. Yeah, 503 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: and Untelsea Gaber was the last one she serves in 504 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: her free time. Fun fact about Telsea, Congressman Telsea and 505 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: also interesting she was one of Senator Bernie Sanders biggest 506 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: surrogate last Timmer. Yeah. I remember seeing her introduce him 507 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: at events and people were excited about her. And now 508 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: her whole stump speeches about she really draws on her 509 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: military background on wanting to get America out of these 510 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: foreign wars. And she talked about the missile text alert 511 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: that happened in Hawaii last year and how people were 512 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: lowering their children into man holes because they thought that 513 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: a new a reachon is Bluemberger News political reporter also 514 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: just covered five presidential candidates. What were the people like, 515 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: who are in New Hand? Are they just like is 516 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: it overkill? Is it too soon? Are they excited? Or 517 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: you know, like if you're just trying to have a 518 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: self pretzel at the Portsmouth Brewery and all of a 519 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 1: sudden in walks Senator Kamala Harris, are you like not yet? 520 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: Not yet? Democratic presidential candidates? The cool thing about people 521 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: in New Hampshire is that they take their role as 522 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: like first primary um state very seriously. So people I 523 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: talked to people who had gone to see multiple candidates 524 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: over the weekend, maybe not as many as I had to, 525 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: but they saw a lot of people. They were listening, 526 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: but nobody was decided on Like, no one I talked 527 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,479 Speaker 1: to was decided said I'm supporting this person. They at 528 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: best they were leaning towards one Candida, but they wanted 529 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: to see what other people saying. And this was before 530 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: Sanders got into the race, So I don't know what 531 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: Biden is gonna do. So people are interested, they're listening, 532 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: they're going to events, but nobody is nobody is setting 533 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: still too still, too soon or reach on, my good friend. 534 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: Thank you. This is the first time you've been on. Yes, 535 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: thank you means a lot, and especially after your whirlwind 536 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: of the holiday weekend. Five presidential candidates and maybe one 537 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: of them will be president coming up we get more 538 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: into presidential election race. Let's just stick with that because 539 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: there's so much to dissect with our all star panel 540 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: Ryan Williams Republican strategists as well as Day Brown Democratic strategists. Remember, folks, 541 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: you can download the sound On podcast after the show 542 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: on Apple iTunes. Subscribe to it click subscribe, as well 543 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: as at Bloomberg dot com you can check out a 544 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: reets reporting from over the weekend and download the Bloomberg 545 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: Business app. Also check us out on radio dot com 546 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: and I Heart Radio. You're listening to Sound On with Kevens. 547 00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: You really on Bloomberg and seven f M. A H. 548 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: You guys ready for the snow. It's a coming three 549 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: to five inches. Starts in the middle of the night 550 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: already some schools are closed. Uh. We have an all 551 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: star panel. Ryan Williams, Republican strategist, Dave Brown, Democratic strategist. 552 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: Did you guys have any traditions when you were a kid, 553 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: like I would always always cross my fingers. Some people 554 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: like slept with their pajamas inside out to get a 555 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: snow day. I'm from right outside of Boston, and we 556 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: didn't get too many snow days. We'd get a foot 557 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: and a half of snow, not like around here. We 558 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: get an inch and then the whole city shuts down. Wow. 559 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: Ryan just like rushed up some children everywhere. I just 560 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: always made sure to to like ambush my little brother 561 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: so that he was just covered in snow and and 562 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, he would just be angry and then he 563 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: would try to retaliate it. I have to be honest. 564 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: I had a monopoly in the Delko block of all 565 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: of the houses, and I've since given it away. But 566 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: I'm a bank every time it's snowed. I made bank 567 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: because I would shovel like three driveways that I would 568 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: go letting on this hill. Okay, enough about the snow talk, 569 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: but it's coming, and you're right, Ryan, get to Trader 570 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: Drums early because those lines are going to be like 571 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: a complete mess. Um. I'll I'll be headed thereafter to 572 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: get everything done. We were talking about twenty with my 573 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: friend to reach John Bloomberg, politics reporter. She was up 574 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: in New Hampshire over the holiday weekend, like five presidential Democrats, 575 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: UH candidates campaigning who do you who do you think 576 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: has positioned themselves Dave as a strong candidate. So I 577 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: think a couple of people have really jumped out. Admittedly 578 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: it was stile like early early days. I think is 579 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: a very interesting really here's why, here's why, Heartland economics. 580 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: She's unafraid to say no and to say we can't 581 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: afford that. And so she is by definition differentiating herself 582 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: from from a bunch of other candidates who who are 583 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: really following the Senator Sanders path, which is more narrative 584 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: Pine the guy you know, Hillary Clinton famously called Senator 585 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: Sanders sort of campaign the big simple idea which you 586 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: can you can infer as being majority of. But also 587 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: what he's so effective at is just laying out this vision, 588 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: but he never answers the question how we're gonna pay 589 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: for much, the same way actually that the Trump with 590 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: Make America Grady just captured in imagination, Clobture is going 591 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: a different route. She's she's differentiing herself because she's saying, hey, 592 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: I'm not a gene, I can't wave a magic matis, 593 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: but she's also not pragmatic in a boring one. She's 594 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: also like saying, I come from the heartland the states 595 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: that the Donald Trump carried the Democrats lost, those are 596 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: states that I can win in. And so she's also 597 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: making an argument implicitly saying I'm electable, I can beat this. 598 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: How does she get past all these reports that say 599 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: she's a bad boss? I think that's sexist. Look, I 600 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: served in the Senate. I mean the idea that that 601 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: a female senator is going to be held to a 602 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: different standard than a male senator in terms of being 603 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: demanding and have high expectations of excellence. I mean, come on, 604 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: that's just not fair, right. I think it's kind of 605 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: out rages to make the attack on her. And I've 606 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: had some tough bosses over the years, and you just 607 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: deal with it. I don't you know. From what I've read, 608 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: it does seem like it's slanted against her. Day was 609 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: asking in the break, and it's a good question, do 610 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: you think Trump gets a serious no? No, What do 611 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: you think the defining issue is going to be for Democrats? 612 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: Because I do think it's interesting to Dave's point that 613 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: Senator Klobuchar is saying, there's no way we can just 614 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: give away college for free. But can you get elected 615 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: if if you don't, if you're just the price? Like, 616 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: what what's her idea? You know what I mean? I 617 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: think in a campaign, Trump's idea was the wall, and 618 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: arguably he was also against He would say he was like, 619 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to relitigate, but that he was against 620 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: the Iraq war and he tried to separate himself from 621 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: a very crowded field. So what you know what Senator 622 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders uh stands for? And in fact, he spoke 623 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: about it when he when he announced his rerunning is 624 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: that a word? Rerunning? When he relaunched Kevin relaunched his 625 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: presidential campaign over the weekend, here's Senator Bernie Sanders take 626 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: a lest of we are running against a president who 627 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 1: is a pathological lawyer, a fraud, a racist, a sexist, 628 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: a xenophobe, and someone who was undermining American democracy as 629 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: he leads us in an authoritarian direction. Wow, Dave, I'm 630 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: not sure what the senator thinks on that particular point. Um. 631 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 1: You know, look, he the gloves her off, and I think, 632 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: I think, what what what Bernie Sanders stands for people know. 633 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: I mean you look at his name, I D with 634 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: among among Democratic primary voters, and he's he has a 635 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: really high name. I D because people do know what 636 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: he stands for, and his advisors would tell you that that. 637 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: He doesn't have to answer the technical details of how 638 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: he's gonna pay for proposals because he's instead charting a path. 639 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: He's laying out a set of values. And I think 640 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: your point about how does name with global hard differentiator 641 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: some from that, it's a good question. She's gonna have 642 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: to answer it. She's gonna have to find a way forward. 643 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: Shary Brown is if he jumps in, he he's gonna 644 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: answer that question in part what you're already seeing thematically. 645 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: When he talks about the dignity of work, he's really 646 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: sort of creating a narrative in that sense. And I 647 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: think mcclarba Charill have to do something similar. All right, 648 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: President Trump was asked about Bernie Sanders, and I'm going 649 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 1: to let the president speak for himself. Here is first. 650 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: So I think he missed his time. But I like 651 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: Bernie Ryan. President Trump likes Bernie. Yeah, I don't disagree 652 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: with him. I do think he missed his time. I 653 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: think his time was last time. He probably would have, 654 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,720 Speaker 1: you know, run a stronger general election campaign than Hillary Clinton. 655 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: He didn't have as much baggage, even though he's a socialist. Um, 656 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: he didn't have as much historical baggage as she did. So, 657 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,839 Speaker 1: you know, I that's Trump has a way of finding 658 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: a weakness with people and exploiting it, and I think 659 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: that's probably his weak weakness with Bernie has run already. 660 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: You said the S word, Dave. Do you think that 661 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: the American electorate can differentiate socialism as it exists in 662 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: other countries in Venezuela from the democrat Adctic socialism that 663 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: we've seen emerged in the Alexandria Acasio Cortez is of 664 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: the world, Senator Sanders is of the world. Can can 665 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: they can they successfully make the case to voters that 666 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 1: American socialism would be different than other forms of more 667 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,720 Speaker 1: awful socialism. Well, first, I'd like to see TV pundits 668 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: even define what socialism means before we answer the question 669 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: of whether voters can differentiate. I mean no, but but look, 670 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: if you look at what the press actually you know 671 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to leave it there. Because we're up 672 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: against the heartbreak and I totally lost track of time. 673 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: I want to thank our panel. You can check us 674 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: out on Apple iTunes. David, I am going to have 675 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: you back and you're going to define socialism. I'm Kevin SURRELI. 676 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg.