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Hello Miami, is Jason Bonzepcion. 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.880 Welcome to xt Ravision, The Crooked Podcast, where we dive 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:54.440 deep into your favorite shows. 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:55.760 Movies, comics, and pop culture. 0:00:56.040 --> 0:01:00.120 So many favorite shows this week in today's episode on 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:04.200 previously on, we're gonna be talking about more WB Discovery 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:09.000 drama in the airlock Oh, lots of stuff, including the 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:13.679 delightful I Am Groot and the action packed Pray Watch it. 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:14.520 Now on Hulu. 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:18.119 In the Hive mind co creative Harley Quinn, Justin Halpern 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.200 comes and sits down with us to tell a lot 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.600 of really hilarious stories about Harley Quinn and it's great 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.759 and it's a great time joining me today. For all 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:32.720 of that is the number one comics historian, the number 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:38.600 one comics reader, knowing more about comics, the characters, the plots, 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.080 and all the weird stuff that goes on in there 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:42.520 than any other human alive. 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:43.880 It's Rosie Dight. 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.800 Rosie, However, I'm so happy to be here to talk 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.280 to you about all this stuff and to now have 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:51.640 a career of all those things that you listed, which 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:53.920 used to be something people would be like, please stop 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.960 talking about that. Those are like a list of like 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.080 please stop talking about it, But now it's like, hey, 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.440 please talk about it. Bye. 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:03.480 Godzilla versus Batra. 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:05.760 Now you can purchase a BW. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:10.000 You can purchase it at the local comic shop near you. 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:15.919 Let's get into the news because there's so much first 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:19.280 up more WB stuff. 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.600 So we were talking about this story last week, and 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.120 of course the earnings call that we were all expecting 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:28.120 took place in the day after we recorded our episode, 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:32.680 and it was a news packed earnings call. Rosie, you 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:33.760 wantn't you take us through it? 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:37.160 Oo? Wow? So a lot of what we had talked 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:42.800 about last week came true, which was essentially a big 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:45.040 breakdown of what is going to happen. So that's On 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:48.800 the Warner Brothers Discovery Q two earnings call, it was 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:52.040 announced that Hbox and Discovery Plus would merge into one 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:56.200 streaming platform to launch in summer twenty twenty three. We 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.840 thought that would probably happen. The details are currently sparse, 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:05.480 no name, no subscurrecription price at this point, though the 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:11.359 hint and implication was that it would be expensive. So 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:14.040 it's going to be expensive. From what they were saying 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:15.919 on the call, it seems like it will be based 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:19.080 on the Discovery Plus app, which is a very popular, 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:22.880 well rated app. According to David Zaslav of Warner Brothers Fame, 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:30.640 during the very intense, and I wouldn't blame you if 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:32.200 you turned it off because it was public. You could 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.240 listen to it. I listened to it. It was very 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.000 numbers heavy, it was very financial, but there were some 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:42.760 incredible moments, including when they put a slide on the 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:47.240 screen that listed the two audiences of HBO Max and 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:55.680 Discovery Plus. HBO Max, Skew's mail scripted lean in appointment 0:03:55.800 --> 0:04:03.200 viewing Home of Fandoms Discovery US female skew, unscripted, leaned 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:08.600 back comfort viewing home of genre doums. As you can imagine, 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.240 internet went wild. I still don't know what a genre 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:15.160 dume is, Jason, I still have no idea. Yeah, and 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:19.600 it was basically lots of questions. There was some very 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:23.840 interesting stuff near the end when a caller from Deutsche 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:28.599 Bank asked about Batgirl and zaz Lav spoke quite extensively 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:32.159 about his vision for DC. He called The Flash a 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:37.400 terrific movie, but he also said that they could make 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:44.920 DC better, which was not particularly well received during the call. So, yeah, 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:49.159 it's been very interesting. And since then we've had a 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:50.080 lot of other news. 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.039 So yeah, gosh. 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.599 So let's first start with the DC of it all, 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.000 which we can come back to in a second or 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:01.360 touch on, but essentially laid out a ten year plan to. 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:03.200 They said no, no, no, no, let's not give them too 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.000 much credit. They said they were putting together a team 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.520 to make it. So there's no telling you. 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.839 Let me, so let me start with the let me 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:16.080 start with this. There's no doubt, right, and I think 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:20.760 any fair observer will say this. Despite some notable successes 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:24.840 and some notable box office successes, right that the DC 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:29.560 properties have been mismanaged. You know, you could point to 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.120 any number of indicators to let you know that that's 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:35.680 the case. That said, and I've been consistent about this 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:41.080 for a long time. I personally believe I don't know 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:44.600 when this will happen, but DC will figure it out 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:49.239 because these properties are never going to do. Nobody's gonna 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:54.280 stop king Batman, everyone movie. It's always everybody wants it. 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:56.280 They're gonna want it thirty years from now, they're gonna 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:58.640 want it two hundred years from now, assuming that we 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:01.360 are here as a species thirty and or three. 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:05.960 Hundred years from now. That said, the stuff right now 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:06.359 has is. 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:12.840 Mismanaged. You've got some successful stuff like The Joker that's 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:14.560 going to get a sequel, but of course that takes 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.320 place in a separate universe than the kind of shared 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.640 universe that they've been trying to launch off the ground. 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:26.360 And then you have, you know, issues related to the 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:32.960 cost cutting, such as Batgirl getting shelved, and all of 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:37.159 that looks kind of funky in the context of what 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.960 appears to be the continued support for the Flash movie Yes, 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:46.560 which is which costs upwards of two hundred and fifty million. 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:49.400 Dollars for any kind of marketing, right. 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.600 Has quote unquote tested well whatever, We don't know what 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:54.560 that means, but apparently it's been testing. Well, that's fine, 0:06:55.600 --> 0:07:00.760 And stars Ezra Miller, who is in the midd literally 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:08.279 in the midst of numerous legal problems and a spin 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:09.680 out that. 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:13.960 Is epic in scope. 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:18.600 Yeah, just and has been, you know, basically a fugitive 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:25.000 for the last several months. That said, a holly recent 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:33.160 Hollywood Reporter article has a really really nuts sentence towards 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:39.600 the final paragraphs quote. Miller participated in regularly scheduled additional 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:43.280 photography over the summer, apparently without incident, before being charged 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:43.920 with burglary? 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:48.360 Was as Remiller not a fugitive? Were they not a 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.680 fugitive at that point? From everything we know? 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:58.960 So apparently, according to the authorities, Asra Miller has been 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:03.280 housing a family of which includes a woman and her 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:10.480 children who Ezra apparently met in Hawaii. And this person 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:14.720 had been posting on social media from a location that, 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:20.120 according to this Rolling Stone article, people have recognized as 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:23.640 the interior of Ezra's house in Vermont. 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:24.400 This was in July. 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:28.080 Yeah, and people had even reported that they had been 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.920 there and seen the family there, and there was even 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:35.360 reports of babies being around, a lot of open weaponry, 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.240 a one year old who had a bullet in their mouth. 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:41.600 There's all kinds of almost its bad. 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.760 It's very bad, and it's very bad and not good. 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.480 Yes, And the thing that Jason was about to tell you, 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:51.320 which is really a very worrying situation that had been 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.320 going on for a while. Rolling Stone reported on it 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:57.960 around a month ago, but this week the Vermont Child 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.680 Services had been trying to serve a protection order for 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:07.400 those children and that mother and Ezra Miller is now 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.800 claiming they don't know where the family is, they haven't 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:12.720 been living there, and that doesn't seem to align with 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:16.720 the social media posts which have now stopped. It is 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:20.439 an alarming situation for alarment. And even on the day 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:27.559 of the Warner Brothers them highly anticipated, very buzzword heavy. 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:30.680 I mean, Zaslav could have said synergy no more times. 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:32.240 There was no more times you would have been able 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:34.440 to say it in that core. On that very day, 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:40.280 there was more reporting that came out about Ezra reportedly 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:47.040 running a kind of flophouse cult in Iceland and taking 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:50.680 in vulnerable people, taking in people struggling with addiction problems 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:54.920 and treating them very badly, And this just doesn't seem 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.679 to be going away and only seems to be escalating. 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:06.040 And I still find it absolutely mind blowing that we're 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:10.000 in a situation where there has been no statement from 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.920 Warner Brothers on this other than the Flashes coming out. 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.160 It's going to be out in June twenty twenty three. 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:18.240 I know that they say that, but it feels like 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.400 it can't come out, That it can't. 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:20.920 No. 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.000 I know that we're saying that right now, and we're 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:27.080 roasting Zavilavi and WB for the support of this, but 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:28.679 there's legitimately no. 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:30.000 Way I can happen. 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.960 I thought maybe there was a world. I was having 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.680 conversations people when the Bat Girl news came out, and 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.400 I thought maybe there was a world that they were 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:43.920 scrapping in inverted commas Batgirl to build it in to 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:48.840 the Flash, to move the emphasis off of that version 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.480 of the Flash, and to bring in more of this younger, new, 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.440 more inclusive Justice League, which apparently that film was going 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:59.720 to launch. But if they're going to follow the trend 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:03.960 that recent reporting from tax filings revealed that Warner Brothers 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:07.200 did take at eight hundred and twenty five million dollar 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:11.199 right down on content that they canceled or didn't use. 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.680 So if they're going to do that with Batgirl, which 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.440 they have set a precedent for, then I don't think 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.960 that they can use it in the Flash movie. So 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:23.760 I'm just really I'm very confused about where this is, 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.920 especially because the Batgirl cancelation news. I mean, DC Film's 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.520 president Walter Harmada, who I am. I have to say, 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:32.840 I just need to put this out there. I understand 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:37.240 that it's very hard to look at any film franchise 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:41.160 about Superos in the context of the MCU and look 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:42.840 at it and be like, well, this is good, because 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.720 really the MCU did something unprecedented. Warner Brothers, I'm just 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:47.560 telling you this now. You will not be able to 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:49.880 copy it. You already tried. So this is going to 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:54.040 be a Dark Universe, Universal Monsters Justice League all over again, 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.240 Like you can't replicate it. That was of a moment, 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.679 of a mindset and of a despert oiration to get 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:05.440 out of bankruptcy that created something absolutely incredible. And the 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.040 thing that kind of blows my mind is I understand 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:11.200 that it has been mismanaged, and the general overview does 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:15.240 not support the kind of success that the MCU has had. 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:19.440 But Aquaman made one point seven billion dollars and it 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.800 was so great, and the new Suicide Squad movie was 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:26.480 so great, and I absolutely loved Harlequin and Birds of Prey. 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:28.800 I'm not a fan of Joker, but that really worked 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:32.960 for a bunch of different people. I think that there 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:36.000 is a world where if they wanted to make the 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.040 most successful version of the DCEU or whatever it will 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.720 be called from here on out, they need to still 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:45.800 allow directors to have a full creative vision and to 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:51.640 do experimental, weird, unexpected stuff. Aquaman is so different from 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:54.120 anything else, and yeah, thos people think it's corny. I 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.360 love It's one of my favorite movies. I love it 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.320 so much in the world of the DC comics and stuff, 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.040 and I think I would hate for them to lose 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.120 what has made some of the movies so successful and 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:08.240 so great. The Batman that is not a commercially viable 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:13.560 movie in an MCU style situation, three hour long emo 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:17.240 goth story about like a sad guy. 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:20.640 I completely agree with you, and I'd go a step further. 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.080 You know, whether Hamada steps down or not, who knows, 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.440 but I think there and this is not This has 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:29.680 been opened and many people have said this, and even 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.080 Zavilav has alluded to it. 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:33.000 They need a figure. 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.800 That they've always needed, that they who can who can. 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:41.239 Bring order to all of these kind of disparate stories. 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.800 The strength of the MCU is that you can have 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:49.880 a movie that is critically panned, right, that is not good. 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:55.400 Throw the Dark World, the sequel to thor is, you know, arguably, 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.839 and I think many would pick it as one of 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:58.480 the worst, if not. 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:00.959 If you're ranking them, is that the love right? 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:02.600 But then what happened? 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.440 But then what happens Ragnarok comes after that, it's one 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.160 of the best, And all of that stuff ends up 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:08.920 still mattering. 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:10.520 All of the stuff from Dark World. 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:15.320 Still impacts the overall world, the overall story, the overall storytelling, 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.240 because all that stuff happened. If they can figure out 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.680 how to tie all of these different tones and different 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:26.400 colors and grimness and lightness together from all these different 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:32.720 characters and textures, it will lift the entire agree Because 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:36.280 even if something sucks, or even if it's like background, 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:39.360 maybe it didn't test well, it doesn't look high quality 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:44.440 of whatever, You've still got the fuel. 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.760 For other stories, the fuel. 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:50.240 For the lore of the world overall, that can use 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:55.440 to make the entire DCEU feel textured and populated in 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.440 a place, you know, vibrant with all these different characters. 0:14:58.480 --> 0:14:59.840 And that's really what kind of. 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:03.560 Needs to happen, like and so, and I think that 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:05.240 they will get there again. I don't know if it's 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:09.520 a twenty years or when, but I just think that one, 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:13.560 there's too much money at stake, and two, these properties 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:17.920 are too iconic for them to never It's like at 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:22.960 a certain point, it's like just by brute force, they 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:24.920 will figure it out. But that's really what they need 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:28.160 is someone to sit atop all of this to kind 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.960 of draw all the lines so that they intersect at 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:32.640 the same point. 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.920 Yeah, I think that's the biggest question for comic book fans. 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.800 I'm sure our listeners have thought about this, because even 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.360 if you're not in the weeds on the business stuff, 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.120 a lot of the business stuff for this is what 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:46.400 gets us excited. Whether it's the comic book boom and 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.080 bust that ended in the nineties, you know, whether it's 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.440 the speculation market, whether it's how Marvel Studios was founded. 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:54.800 But even if you're not really into that side of things, 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:57.760 you know who Kevin Figy is. Everybody does. And I 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:01.360 think the biggest question right now is who who can 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:05.120 be the Kevin Feige for Warner Brothers. They can call us. 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.000 I think we'd do it, Okay, Joe, I'm like, yeah, 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.680 that's a call. But I mean it's very hard. Figi 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:16.320 had such a unique journey, and not only just the 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:18.400 love of the comics, especially the eighties stuff, which I 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.560 love because now he's really getting to dig into that, 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:24.080 but he had a production history in making some of 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:28.960 the first contemporary superhero movies. You know, he was so 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:33.440 ready to be in that place and to take on 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:37.440 that role. So I will be very interested to see 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.560 who they can find. And I think they need to 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:42.240 think outside the box. I think they need to find 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.520 someone who has a vision and a way because the 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.120 thing is, as we've said many times on this podcast, 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:53.320 DC really is the multiverse trailblazer. So it's not even 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.640 hard for them to find a way to tie this together. 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.920 In fact, in that Holyrood Reporter article, very good article, 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:01.680 they may mentioned that Harmada had kind of had this 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:03.880 vision when they were going to put out three or 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.440 four films a year to do a Crisis on Infinite Earth. 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:10.480 So I think there is a big space to do that. 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:15.479 I found it very interesting. Another thing that was on 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:19.880 the call that not only did Zazav say they wanted 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.119 to make a tenure plan, which we recently heard FIGI 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:26.080 say they were doing over at Marvel, but he specifically 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:31.119 said that it's a very similar to the structure Alan Horn, 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:34.720 former DC CEO, Bobby get and Kevin Faige put together 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:37.520 very effectively at Disney. We think we can build a 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:42.280 much stronger sustainable growth business out of DC. As part 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:44.199 of that, we're going to focus on quality. We're not 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.120 going to release any film before it's ready. And then 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.200 he said the iconic words that I'm sure will come 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.400 back to buy him. D C is something we can 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:53.680 make better as. 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:56.280 Well. 0:17:56.520 --> 0:18:01.040 We will say, you know, I have a We talked 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:02.399 about this in our pre pre meeting, but I just 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.280 want to put it out there. I think a kind 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:10.440 of underrated part of the MCU's growth and how it 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.880 managed to be what it is, which is the biggest, 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:20.080 you know, movie UH dollar generator in the world, is 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.600 the fact that when they started launching when they came 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:26.080 up with the Iron Man, and then all of a sudden, 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:27.840 the news started to break that, Oh, they're they're gonna 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.520 they're gonna launch Hulk, they're gonna launch Captain America, they're 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.440 gonna launch Thor, and they're gonna do the Avengers. The 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:38.639 response was kind of like, who who the Like, we 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:39.560 don't nobody. 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:43.639 The response was basically, nobody cares about Thor. Yeah, Captain America, that's. 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:47.679 Iron didn't even like back then explain that was a 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:48.720 deep cut character. 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:53.280 Yeah, these were thought of as like seed list characters, 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:57.159 and I think that helped the MCU kind of sneak 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:03.119 under the radar of expectations and take over, Whereas with DC, 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:06.280 it's harder because it's like, fucking it's Superman, you know 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:12.200 what I mean, Like it's it's Superman. The Daddy of 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:18.720 Superhero is the guy. It's fucking Batman, it's Wonder Woman. 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:22.600 And I think any attempt to do something with those 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:27.400 characters is just feel so fraught before you even start. 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:31.359 And I think it's an underrated part of how the 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.160 MCU was able to do it, because I think they 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:35.240 were able to kind of sneak by everybody who didn't 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:37.040 understand how cool these characters were. 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:40.600 And I think you actually hit onto something that DC 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:46.920 Films and TV has already someone that already knows that 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:48.919 that's a part of it. But as we're going forward, 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:52.080 if DC can recognize that they can do the same thing, 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:54.640 I'm gonna go back to Aquaman. That is a character 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.680 barely anyone cares about. I love Aquaman, I love the 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:02.080 campaigns and stuff, you know, but it's Ankleman, right, one 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:06.680 point seven billion highest grossing DC Comics movie ever. Right. 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.040 That is what you can do when you do something 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:12.919 with a character that people are not too worried about. 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:14.600 That is what you can do when you find a 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:17.679 director like James One who has a vision for that character, 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:19.720 a story they want to tell. So I think you're 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:23.080 onto something. If DC Harlequin, now people do love her. 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:25.040 She has become what they call the fourth pillar of 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:28.040 the DC after Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman. But again, 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:29.960 you can do something a little bit out there. You 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:32.199 can do an raed TV show. You can play with 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:34.680 the conception of who this is. It's why the Suicide 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.119 Squad works so well. Poka dot Man. No one was 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:39.040 out here like I need a Poka dot Man movie. 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:43.480 But David Desmolshin made that character unbelievable and James Gunn 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:46.840 bought its life in a way that somebody could find 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:49.440 something really special in it. And same with Ratcatcher too. 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.320 You know that the Taika Waitit t has the most 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:55.239 unbelievable cameo in that movie. That's just everything, And I 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:57.760 think that you've really hit the nail on the head. 0:20:57.800 --> 0:20:59.800 I love talking about that side of the MCU, about 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:02.719 how I know you don't believe it, but once Captain 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:05.280 America was not an A list character. You know, people 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:08.280 don't know, but it's true, we don't remember that. Yeah, 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:12.760 but I think you've here. If DC can find a 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:17.800 visionary who understands that Superman, Batman, the Justice League, that's 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:22.200 something you work too. That's also I like, I loved 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:25.280 the Batman movie, the recent one. You can let maybe 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:29.560 let those three exist outside of your main world until 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:33.240 you've got five ten years in. You can do all 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:35.879 kinds of stories. You can tell all kinds you know, 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:41.240 Blue Beetle that is apparently still on the cards for 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:45.320 next year theatrical. Let's keep yeah, you know, Sauce Plastic 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:51.360 Man like there's so many different weird atari r gool 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:54.920 movie Like, there's so many different weird cool things and 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:58.040 so many characters. You could do rogue movies. Joker did 0:21:58.080 --> 0:21:59.960 really well. You could do all different kinds of things. 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:02.120 I think you hit the nail on the head. Let's 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:06.040 leave Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman. Let's let them sit 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:08.800 for a little while. Let's let them get that legendary status, 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:14.480 and let's build a world that is something unexpected and 0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:16.359 that can go a little under the radar till it 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:20.760 hits and becomes that, you know, fertile ground for something more. 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:25.280 I remain on the record, they will eventually figure it out. Definitely, 0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:29.200 don't ask me when. And by the way, I just started. 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:33.000 I've been reading Aquaman Andromeda on the Black label DC SQUA. 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:35.159 Yeah, that's all right, ram V. 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:37.760 And Christian Word really really great for the for those 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:39.719 who are Aquaman curious. 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:42.480 There's so many great Aquaman books. Kelly Sudiconic did a 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:46.000 great Aquaman book recently. There's Yeah, there's a lot of 0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:49.320 fun to be had there. Yeah, you should check out 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:50.399 Aquaman good stuff. 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:54.560 Before we get into the airlock, I just want to 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:57.840 announce that we're gonna We're gonna be running, or ask 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:01.159 the Master House of the Dragon, say meant going forward, 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:04.480 it's going to be coming up in coming weeks. 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