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Speaker 2: been warned. Hello Miami, is Jason Bonzepcion.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to xt Ravision, The Crooked Podcast, where we dive

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Speaker 1: So many favorite shows this week in today's episode on

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Speaker 1: In the Hive mind co creative Harley Quinn, Justin Halpern

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Speaker 1: So we were talking about this story last week, and

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Speaker 1: style but not.

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Speaker 2: And it is just really really wonderful, like really fun.

436
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: It's such a showcase of animation. It is Disney reminding

437
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 3: people that this is what their company was built on.

438
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 3: Like it definitely harks back to that old era of

439
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 3: Disney shorts that're so iconic now and I absolutely love

440
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: to see that. I love to see experimental animation. I

441
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 3: love to see anime is getting to have fun and

442
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 3: push things to kind of the limit. And each episode

443
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 3: has such a different visual texture and tone, but really

444
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 3: don't feel the same. I mean grout. They all have

445
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 3: really funny names. I didn't realize. I assumed it was

446
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 3: like any show on Disney Plus where it's I Am

447
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 3: Grout and then it's a series, but it's not. Each

448
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 3: one is listed separately on Disney Plus. So when it

449
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 3: came up on my Disney Plus, I thought that the

450
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 3: whole show, because I have an English Disney Plus account,

451
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,239
Speaker 3: I thought that the whole show was called I Am

452
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: Group the Little Guy, And I was like, what this

453
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 3: is so cute. I was like, this is definitely some

454
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 3: weird European thing, but that's just the name of the episode.

455
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, Grout takes a Bath. That was my favorite episode.

456
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: Oh that's my favorite one.

457
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 3: Great beautiful animation, looks gorgeous, so many funny physical comedy beats,

458
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 3: like this is predominantly nonverbal, yes, storytelling. I think this

459
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 3: is a great They've been doing this with like the

460
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 3: Spark shorts and stuff. I think Disney plus this is

461
00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 3: a really great platform to bring short animation, unexpected animation,

462
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: non linear narratives and stuff. I think this is a

463
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 3: very cool way of using the platform, and it's something

464
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: that not any really, no one else can do it.

465
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Speaker 1: And to your point about like early Disney animation, like

466
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: Steamboat kind of style that is there, Like there is

467
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: this there is this weirdness, this wonderful strangeness that you

468
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: see in a lot of that kind of like early

469
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: twentieth century animation of just like strange things that all

470
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: of a sudden are alive and acting in different ways.

471
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: And you know, all of that tied together with this

472
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: character you already know, Groot, it just is kind of

473
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: magical and there's like a really childlike bit of wonder

474
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: to it that translates because you're like, oh my god,

475
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: what what thing is going to start moving next? Like

476
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: what is this flower going to be? And again it's

477
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: not stop motion, but it's the textural and simple.

478
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's influenced by and it something that I find

479
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: really it's very like Silly Symphonies as those old a

480
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 3: lot of the old Disney cartoons. I definitely had this

481
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 3: moment because there was a big TikTok trend maybe a

482
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 3: year or two years ago, which was the Silly Symphonies

483
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: skeleton animation, which you know is like one hundred years

484
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 3: old or something now, and I was when I was

485
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: watching this show, I was just thinking, like I could

486
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 3: definitely imagine in like a hundred years kids watching these

487
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: as that kind of like, oh, look what animation was

488
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: like back then. Also on a slightly more cynical but

489
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 3: also just very clever level. I have to I have

490
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: a niece and a nephew, actually have many, but I

491
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 3: have two who are young, and they both predominantly watch

492
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 3: YouTube and short animation and short videos. So I also

493
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 3: just think this is a really interesting cyclical. Back then,

494
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: it was short because of the nature of the business

495
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: and how much you could animate and how much you

496
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 3: could want to pay people to actually make an animation,

497
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: so you could only do it for so long because

498
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 3: of the technological developments at the time. Now that same

499
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 3: format is actually the format of choice, especially for babies

500
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 3: and little kids and stuff. So I can imagine that

501
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: there's going to be a lot of parents who are

502
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 3: going to be watching these five episodes a lot.

503
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have kids, put them in front of

504
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: yam group, they will absolutely love it.

505
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 3: Up.

506
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: Next, What a tone Switch? What a What a content switch?

507
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: Prey on Hulu, directed by Dan Trachtenberg of ten Cloverfield Lane,

508
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: starring Amber Midthunter as Nehru, Dakota Beavers as Tabe, Dan

509
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: Di Liegro as the Predator. This is a Predator prequel.

510
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: It is so seventeen nineteen, and a young Indigenous woman

511
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: is kind of bucking the culture of her tribe in

512
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: being an you know, wanting to hunt, being an active hunter.

513
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: She recognizes that there is something out there in the

514
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: woods that is not a bear, It is not French trappers,

515
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: it is not a mountain lion. It's something else. And

516
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: then she goes head to head with the Predator in an.

517
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: Action packed story.

518
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: Super This is such a surprise, like one of those

519
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: really really fun surprises that you know, I was not

520
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: sitting around going, oh, I can't you know a Predator movie.

521
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the next Predator movie. And it

522
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: just kind of like snuck up and is great.

523
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really great. I was sitting around waiting for

524
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 3: a Predator movie because I just absolutely love this franchise.

525
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 3: But objectively, this is such a surprising, thoughtful, brilliant, stripped

526
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: down way. It's not a requel, there's no original returning characters,

527
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: it's not meta. It's just this absolutely stunning. The cinematography

528
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 3: in this movie is just mined flowing for.

529
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 1: You know, for a smaller budget, mid budget movie, you

530
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: don't feel it at all.

531
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: I wish i'd seen this. This is a classic situation,

532
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: I think, especially because it's now. They released the numbers

533
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 3: and this is who lose biggest launch for a movie ever.

534
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: I think they're probably wishing they put this in the

535
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 3: cinema now, I know.

536
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: Until Miguel Wants to Fight by Chase Rano and Jason Sepsio,

537
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: directed by Ozrodriguez some time it's twenty twenty.

538
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 3: Three, that's definitely gonna be the biggest. We're gonna make

539
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 3: sure of it on this podcast. But like that, I

540
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: would have loved to see that on the big screen.

541
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: They did a limited for Beyondfested a couple of screenings

542
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 3: that were free. I didn't manage to make it out,

543
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 3: but it is so good, and I think something that's

544
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: really great about it is it's very subtle and slow

545
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 3: in its beginning. It has this really why a feel

546
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: to it. I love the idea of kids and younger

547
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: women watching this movie. It's very much this journey of growth,

548
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: this journey of rebellion, but for all the right reasons.

549
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 3: It's a slow story that lets you see the world

550
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: of these Indigenous people and their community. Trachenbub was joined

551
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: by Indigenous producer Jane Myers, who had a big role

552
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 3: in making sure that the movie was authentic and showed

553
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 3: real Indigenous life alongside the horror action of Prey. And

554
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 3: there was a lot of work that was put in

555
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: to make it feel authentic and real and not just

556
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 3: be like, here's the predator in this space. Yeah. And

557
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 3: also but when it kicks up and it gets to

558
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 3: that action, it's just so good, which doesn't surprise me

559
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 3: to talk because Dan Tracktenberg, I love ten Cloverfield Lane.

560
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: It's so so good and it very much has that slow,

561
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 3: mysterious journey before you get to that wild action and

562
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 3: Dakota Beavera's and Amber mid Thunder are just so good.

563
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: They're kind of revelations.

564
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something about there's something really invigorating about a

565
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: story about indigenous people in North America that is not

566
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: a meditation on the horrible genocide.

567
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: That was perpetrated against them.

568
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 5: That is.

569
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Speaker 1: People in their element, living at like the midst of

570
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: their culture, amongst each other, amongst safety, amongst complete understanding

571
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: about who they are. That part of it is really cool.

572
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: And to do it as a genre movie, you know,

573
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: with this kind of alien interloper that comes in just

574
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: adds like so much spice to the stew. There are

575
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: wonderful callbacks to the original Predator that fans of that

576
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: movie will recognize, such as the moment that nauru Is

577
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: falls into some quicksand and then pulls herself out. A

578
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: bunch of moments like that. But this is really a

579
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:39,959
Speaker 1: movie that stands on its own in a really fascinating way,

580
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 1: and it's a cool moment for indigenous storytelling, like kind

581
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: of like writ large what with reservation dogs, other stories

582
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 1: that are centering Indigenous characters. Amber Midthunter has been outspoken

583
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: about you know that she doesn't take period pieces. She

584
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do that kind of the tragedy of

585
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: what happened to indigenous people in North America. And man,

586
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: this is a really really fun action, freaking action pat

587
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: movie that takes a lot of surprising twist and turns

588
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: for an action movie.

589
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Amber mid Thunder's Naru is like, that's a

590
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 3: final girl for the Ages because not only is the

591
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 3: action great, and it's very much in the story. She

592
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 3: already training to be a warrior. She has all these skills,

593
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 3: but you get to these parts in the movie where

594
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 3: her smarts and her wit and her planning are just

595
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 3: so good. That is like you will literally be responding

596
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 3: out loud because her planning is so smart and it's

597
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 3: so quick, and it's very much in that horror movie

598
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: tradition of smart the monster, whether it's Jason or Freddie

599
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 3: or Michael Myers or whoever, or the predator, and this

600
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: is the first time we've gotten to see that dynamic.

601
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 3: Really Yeah, Alien Bus, Predta Sana, she outsmart at that,

602
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 3: But that's different kind of movies. But this is this

603
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: is so much fun to watch and the final act.

604
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 3: I loved all the movie. I love the pacing, I

605
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 3: love a slow burn, but that final act where you

606
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 3: really get to see nuruin Tabe in this space with

607
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 3: the predator, who, by the way, unbelievable predator design. It's

608
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: a kind of really it's a different design. They actually

609
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 3: managed to make the predator look scary with the mask off,

610
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: which has never been done before. And yeah, I just

611
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: I thought it was so much fun. If you love horror,

612
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: I would say watch it if you also just love

613
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 3: adventure movies. I have a very high tolerance for horror,

614
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 3: so it might be a little bit gory for some people,

615
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 3: but in general, I think this is like a really

616
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 3: great adventure action movie that just happens to have a

617
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 3: little bit of gory. Predator glad.

618
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned the horror, because this movie does

619
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: a thing that great horror movies, particularly great slasher movies,

620
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: do really well, which is the monster at a certain

621
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 1: point becomes like the sword of justice. Yes, our hero

622
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: is absolutely at under threat from the predator, as is

623
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: her beautiful dog sorry is absolutely like threatened by the

624
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: predator at every turn.

625
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: You're wondering, like, is she gonna make it out of this.

626
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 2: But also like the assholes who.

627
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: Don't think she can hunt, yeah, yeah, yeah, you pay

628
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: the price, the French trappers who are abusing the land

629
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: and don't know how to how to respect the land.

630
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: In the same way the people who live here do

631
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: and take Nauru captive and are indeed like torturing her

632
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: to try and get her to help them hunt the presdtor.

633
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: They will pay the price. Everybody who is, you know,

634
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 1: morally out of line will pay the price. Is such

635
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: a theme that I love about horror.

636
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 3: But you know what I love about this that you

637
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 3: make such a good point, as like in especially original

638
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 3: eight slash of Horror, which is so much one of

639
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 3: my just absolute biggest passions, that morality is very Christian

640
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: and heteronormouy and repressive. But here that is subverted to

641
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: be about the real morality. It's it's the colonizers, the

642
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 3: people who are destroying the land, it's all these different

643
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 3: it's the people who, like you said, couldn't believe it.

644
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 3: It's the violent men who attack how there And in

645
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 3: that way it becomes very cathartic.

646
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 2: Yes, it does. Love this movie.

647
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it, watch it now you can

648
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: watch it on Hulu, and you can watch this. When

649
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: you watch it on Hulu, you will have the option

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Speaker 1: of watching this all in the Comanche dub version. Up next,

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Speaker 1: Hive Mind with Justin helper Welcome to the Hive Mind,

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Speaker 1: where we explore a topic and more detail with the

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Speaker 1: help of expert guests. And this week we have a

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Speaker 1: big time expert guest. We have Justin Halpern, co creator

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Speaker 1: of the super super funny Harley Quinn.

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Speaker 2: Justin, thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for having me. I am very very excited

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Speaker 5: to be here.

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Speaker 1: Tell us about how did Harley Quinn begin as a project?

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Speaker 1: How did this start?

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Speaker 4: I wish I had like this really amazing story that

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Speaker 4: is about, like, you know, creativity and its inception. But

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Speaker 4: literally this starts in the most kind of sort of

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Speaker 4: like bureaucratic, large company sort of way, which is that

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Speaker 4: I was under an overall deal with my partner and

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Speaker 4: an overall deal Warner Brothers, and an executive for Warner

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Speaker 4: Brothers Susan Rogner, who's now the head of Universal, called

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Speaker 4: us and said, hey, would you want to make an

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Speaker 4: R rated Harley Quinn cartoon. We don't know what it

670
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Speaker 4: would be about, but do you want to make it?

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Speaker 4: We were at the time, we were like totally like

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Speaker 4: in this. It was this is twenty sixteen, so we're

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Speaker 4: like in this, like we've only been working in network

674
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Speaker 4: TV right there isn't like a bazilion streamers.

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Speaker 5: It's like everybody's like, oh, could we get a Netflix show?

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Speaker 4: Like that was the only place, you know, And I

677
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Speaker 4: was like, Wow, the chance to do like an R

678
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Speaker 4: rated show when I'd only ever done like Vet.

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Speaker 5: Dead for CBS, and like she.

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Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, yes, like please, Like

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Speaker 4: it was like hearing the choppers come take me out

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Speaker 4: of the prison camp.

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Speaker 5: I was like, yes, we want to.

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Speaker 4: Let we want to do this, and so they said, well,

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Speaker 4: you got to come in and pitch it. Pitch your take,

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Speaker 4: you know, because I think if they didn't like our take,

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Speaker 4: they'd go to somebody else. And uh, you know, being

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Speaker 4: a huge fan of sitcoms, my partner I were just like,

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Speaker 4: let's do the Mary Tyler Moore Show but with Harley Quinn.

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Speaker 5: That's the center of it. And that was kind of

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Speaker 5: how it started.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that so much. I mean when post

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Speaker 3: the pitch and kind of getting into the show, did you. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: one of the biggest takeaways here, and one of the

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Speaker 3: things people love so much about in an overarching sense,

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Speaker 3: is that Holly and Ivy relationship. How early on was

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Speaker 3: that a key part to your kind of long running

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Speaker 3: plan for the show.

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Speaker 4: It was always in our heads to Hander because Harley.

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Speaker 4: Our feeling was Harley herself doesn't feel like she can

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Speaker 4: be the like lead of a show without someone to

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Speaker 4: bounce off of.

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Speaker 5: So we looked at it.

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Speaker 4: When we went into the pitch, we said, it's gonna

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Speaker 4: be Ferris Bueller and Cameron Fry, and she's Ferris, She's Ferris,

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Speaker 4: and Ivy is Cameron Fry, and we knew we wanted

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Speaker 4: that to be the dynamic, and we listened to, like

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Speaker 4: so many great actresses read for Ivy, and it wasn't

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Speaker 4: really until we heard Lake Bell that We're like, that's

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Speaker 4: our Cameron Fry right there, Like we want.

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Speaker 5: That, and so we knew that that was the dynamic about.

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Speaker 4: You know, it was these two friends who love each

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Speaker 4: other dearly, who the world has sort of given up

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Speaker 4: on in different ways, and they're sort of all each

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Speaker 4: other has, and one of them realizes that which is

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Speaker 4: Ivy and the other one doesn't. She thinks the world

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Speaker 4: all like loves her, and so we always knew that

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Speaker 4: was gonna be that dynamic. And then we knew we

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Speaker 4: wanted to get them together, but we wanted to make

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Speaker 4: sure the first season, which is like very much about

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Speaker 4: Harley's like, you know, self discovery and of who she

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Speaker 4: is outside of her relationship with the Joker, we were like,

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Speaker 4: this is just you can't tell that story. She just

724
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Speaker 4: immediately starts dating somebody else, especially her best friend, right after.

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Speaker 4: And so we set our role for the first season

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Speaker 4: was there's no Harley love stories. There's no dating with

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Speaker 4: Harley in the first season.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Blake Bell. Can we talk for a moment

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Speaker 1: about this cast. It's like not even a Murderers Row,

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Speaker 1: It's like two and a half Murderers rose.

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Speaker 2: From Kaylee Cuoco is Harley.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got Christopher Maloney delivering to us what

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Speaker 1: I think is the best James Gordons, James going in

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Speaker 1: DC questioningly volenteutic, playing multiple characters, notably Clay Face.

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Speaker 2: We could go on and on.

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Speaker 1: Michael Ironside for the old school eighties sci fi heads,

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Speaker 1: Tom Hollander, Alfred Pennyworth, Jason, Alexander, Ron Fun just how

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Speaker 1: did this all come together? Andy Daily Vis It's like

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Speaker 1: you could just go on and on. It's actually insane

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Speaker 1: to look at how did this cast come together?

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Speaker 4: It feels insane to me too when we look at it,

742
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Speaker 4: like I'm like, why don't all these people want to

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Speaker 4: do this? I think it was this thing where Okay,

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Speaker 4: so it's a couple of things, right, Like I've worked

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Speaker 4: with actors my entire career, and there's something about being

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Speaker 4: able to do when you're doing a vocal performance. It's

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Speaker 4: like you come into a booth, you you're just like,

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Speaker 4: you do not have hair and makeup, You do your ship,

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Speaker 4: you have fun, and you're out. And so first that

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Speaker 4: first layer of like oh am I really going to

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Speaker 4: fucking sign up for this is.

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Speaker 5: Kind of removed, right because they don't.

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Speaker 4: Have to go anywhere. A lot of them can't even

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Speaker 4: do it from their homes. So there that let layers removed.

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Speaker 4: And then I think this is really sort of a

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Speaker 4: testament to Kaylee and Lake was that after we got

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Speaker 4: Kaylee and Lake to sign on, when you're pitching to somebody,

758
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Speaker 4: you're like, hey, do you want to do the show?

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Speaker 4: The leads are Kaylee Quoco and Lake Bell and then

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Speaker 4: they're like, oh, well I'll read it then, where normally

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Speaker 4: you're like they're like, well fuck off, you know, but

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Speaker 4: Kaylee and Lake like brought this legitimacy to the project,

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Speaker 4: and so we just kind of went on this run.

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Speaker 4: We called it like our sort of like Vegas hot streak,

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Speaker 4: where we'd be like, okay, now go out to June

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Speaker 4: Carlos Posino, He's like, he said, yes, let's keep going.

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Speaker 4: Let's keep going. Let's go out to Jason Zanders. He said, yes,

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Speaker 4: let's do it. You know. So it kind of became

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Speaker 4: this thing where it was also you know, we were

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Speaker 4: trying we wanted every character in the show to be

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Speaker 4: what we call like a home run hitter, where it's

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Speaker 4: kind of like, because no actor wants to come and

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Speaker 4: do the show, whether it's like they're always doing expository

774
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 4: lines right like, it's like, well what do you mean

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Speaker 4: by that, Steve, It's like nobody wants nobody wants to

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Speaker 4: be that. But in this show, we were like, let's

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Speaker 4: make it a point that everyone who comes on this

778
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 4: show scores and they get to have fun and they

779
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 4: get to be funny and they get to build this

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Speaker 4: character with us. And also in animation there's not usually

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Speaker 4: a lot of improv, but for our show, we were like,

782
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Speaker 4: have fun in this booth, go crazy, you know, and

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Speaker 4: people just don't usually get to do that in animation,

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Speaker 4: and so it felt like this place where like, you know,

785
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Speaker 4: John Carlos Azito gets to walk off the set of

786
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Speaker 4: Better Call Saul, and then he gets to come and

787
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Speaker 4: be Lex Luthor who's talking about shitting his pants and

788
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Speaker 4: it's fun.

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Speaker 3: That's truly. That sums up the magic of this show,

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Speaker 3: like absolutely and something kind of talking to not only

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Speaker 3: is it this you know two and a half Murders

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Speaker 3: Rowse of incredible cost the amount of freedom that you

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Speaker 3: have within the kind of harlequin Gotham world. How much

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Speaker 3: fun is it? And has it been kind of dig

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Speaker 3: really deep into everything you can go as deep cut

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Speaker 3: as some weird you know, kite Man is a major

797
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Speaker 3: part of this show before we even get to like cameos.

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Speaker 3: And by the time this episode's out, episode five will

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Speaker 3: be out. So you also have you know, swamp thing, Constantine,

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Speaker 3: quart of Owls, Like you're getting to do a lot

801
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Speaker 3: of really cool stuff. What's it been like to kind

802
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Speaker 3: of dig really deep into that and utilize that cost

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Speaker 3: to bring these DC characters to life in a way

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Speaker 3: we definitely haven't seen before.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's been one of the coolest things about

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Speaker 4: the show, right. It's like it's sort of like somebody

807
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 4: like let you into their room that's filled with toys

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Speaker 4: that normally they don't let anybody play with, where it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you have to brush my Barbie's hair this way, you know,

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Speaker 4: and instead it's like, hey, have fun, do whatever you want.

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Speaker 4: And I think part of the reason that that happened

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Speaker 4: was because I think DC at the time in twenty sixteen,

813
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Speaker 4: when this thing was coming about, DC had sort of

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Speaker 4: they had that real stigma right of like we take

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Speaker 4: ourselves super serious, we have no sense of humor, and

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Speaker 4: we're not fun. It's like that was like the how

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Speaker 4: the world was kind of like that. They had that stigma, right,

818
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Speaker 4: and so when they came to us, they literally were like,

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Speaker 4: that's not us, I swear, you know, like we're not

820
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Speaker 4: those people like make a funny show and show people.

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Speaker 4: We're not those people. And so DC really kind of

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Speaker 4: like let us go. I mean, to their credit, like

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Speaker 4: you know, I have no idea what it's like to

824
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Speaker 4: work at Marvel.

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Speaker 5: I've never worked at Marvel. I'm only work to d C.

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Speaker 4: But what I can tell you about like DC is

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Speaker 4: that they give you the rope to hang yourself, you know,

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Speaker 4: and sometimes that that, you know, ends up allowing you

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Speaker 4: to create something that you never would have gotten to

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Speaker 4: create anywhere else. And so for us, it was like,

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Speaker 4: oh man, it's awesome, Like we can just go through

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Speaker 4: some of the you know, and we borrow from some

833
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Speaker 4: of their big stories, like we didn't No Man's Land

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Speaker 4: in our season first first seasons, you know, so it's

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Speaker 4: like we really tried to like do a show that

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Speaker 4: comic book heads would like, but also if you've never

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Speaker 4: seen a comic before, he could enjoy the show.

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Speaker 1: Were the takes on the characters kind of always there?

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Speaker 1: I mentioned the wonderful Christopher Maloney is Jim Gordon, who begins,

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Speaker 1: you know, is kind of this super super cracked out

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00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: on caffeine like schlubby guy and has since evolved into

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Speaker 1: like a kind of proto fascist who's like running for mayor.

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Speaker 2: Were those takes always there or.

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Speaker 1: Did it kind of evolve over time as the talent

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Speaker 1: would come in and give voice to these characters.

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Speaker 5: So some of them did, some of them didn't.

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Speaker 4: We a lot every time anyone in the cast came in,

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Speaker 4: they helped us build that character further. Like Chris Maloney

849
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Speaker 4: was like, I mean we had said before him, we

850
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Speaker 4: were like, look our Commissioner Gordon, if that person actually existed,

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Speaker 4: he would have the most severe PTSD of any human being.

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Speaker 4: A lot like there's no amount of therapy that would

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Speaker 4: fix this broken man. And so telling that to Chris Maloney,

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Speaker 4: He's like, great, and he could go to a dark place.

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Speaker 4: And then in some cases, like with Baine James Adomian,

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Speaker 4: we didn't know what kind of bane we wanted.

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Speaker 5: We were listening to.

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Speaker 4: Takes a Bane that were all over the map, and

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Speaker 4: James Adomian came in and he was like the two

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Speaker 4: things happened. James Domian came in and started doing his

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Speaker 4: version of the Tom Hardy Baine, and I was like,

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Speaker 4: this is this is because he was like this guy,

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Speaker 4: if he actually talked like that, he would be like

864
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 4: his whole life would have been ridiculed.

865
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 5: And that's why he works out so much. Right, It's

866
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 5: like beat a bullet.

867
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 4: And then the other thing that had happened at the

868
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 4: same time is when we were doing the character designed

869
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 4: for Bane, we had a whole bunch of different characters signs.

870
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 4: We talked to a character signer, this guy Shane Glins,

871
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 4: who did like the original Batman the Animate series, like

872
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 4: this amazing artist bruised him disciple and Shane drew this,

873
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 4: He drew our Bane that we saw and I was like, Shane,

874
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 4: this is really funny, like why did you choose that?

875
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 5: And he was like, well to me, and is a

876
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 5: guy who doesn't ever work out his legs.

877
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 3: He always leg day.

878
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, he doesn't do leg day because he just wants

879
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 4: to look good up top. And I was like, fuck,

880
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 4: that informs the character so much, like just hearing that thing.

881
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 4: And so that character was built by Shane in us

882
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 4: and James o'domian and you know, that was how that

883
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 4: one was built. So so we try to kind of

884
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 4: like come in with the take of who the character

885
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 4: is and then let the actor kind of build from there.

886
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you you mentioned, you know, Batman the Animated Series,

887
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 3: there's such a formative piece of art and creativity and

888
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,439
Speaker 3: TV show for so many of us. And obviously that's

889
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 3: where Harley comes from what's it like to now be

890
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 3: kind of redefining or reimagining who Harley is in this

891
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 3: animation space, you know, decades later.

892
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 4: I mean for me, it blew my mind because, like

893
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 4: you know, we look at if you look at Batman

894
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 4: animate series now, I don't think you can fully understand

895
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 4: how insane in groundbreaking it was when it There was

896
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 4: literally nothing like it on TV.

897
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 5: Kids.

898
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 4: Cartoons didn't look like that, they didn't tell stories that way.

899
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 4: Nothing was like that made the animated series it completely

900
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 4: broke the mold for animation for kids. That so for

901
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 4: me as a kid watching it, I was like, this

902
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 4: is unbelievable, Like I couldn't. I was just like they

903
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 4: made this for me, Like I can't believe this, Like

904
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 4: they don't think I'm stupid, they think I'm smart, you know,

905
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 4: Like it was like a TV show believing in me

906
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 4: that I could keep up with it as like a

907
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 4: you know, nine, ten, eleven year old. So to be

908
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 4: able to like build off of that in this show

909
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 4: and to take hardly to a place that like you know,

910
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 4: at the time we were doing it hadn't we don't

911
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 4: be really taken her there yet it felt like being

912
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 4: able to like realize things that I had kind of

913
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 4: dreamed about as a kid. I mean, you just like

914
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 4: so rarely get those opportunities in this business to like

915
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 4: actually work with the things that inspired you. So it's

916
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 4: been an unbelievable.

917
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 5: Experience for me.

918
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: You work on this alongside your writing partner Patrick, who

919
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 1: together you also launched the critically acclaimed to abvid elementary

920
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: Watch it now on ABC. How'd you to start working together?

921
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: And what is that relationship? Like?

922
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 5: Man, we took around. We've been together.

923
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 4: I've been married for eleven years, but I've been married

924
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 4: to my partner Patrick for twenty. Pat and I met

925
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 4: we were interns at a band Apart Productions, which is

926
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 4: Quinn Tarantino's production company.

927
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, in two thousand and one.

928
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 4: We were working on commercials and music videos and band

929
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 4: Apart was like the biggest commercial music video place they did.

930
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 4: Pat I met right in the office when they were

931
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 4: doing Instincts Bye Bye Bye video.

932
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is unbelievable moment in time.

933
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 4: Yes, I tried to steal shit off this like that

934
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 4: they had brought back from set for the INSTNCT video

935
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 4: so I could try to sell it somewhere else. So

936
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 4: broke and so we met there and we became friends,

937
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 4: and that was of how our partnership had started. And

938
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 4: we you know, we probably didn't make any money writing

939
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 4: until probably like eight or nine years later, but you know,

940
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 4: that was that was how our partnership had started, how

941
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 4: we met, and we've stayed.

942
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 5: Partners ever since.

943
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, how does that kind of inform you talk about

944
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 3: the original idea of Harley and Ivy as friends and

945
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 3: that kind of symbioic friendship that evolves over time. Obviously

946
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 3: not romantic with you and Patrick, but like, how does

947
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 3: that inform this story about two friends that's so key

948
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 3: and then getting to work alongside it with your friend

949
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 3: and partner for so long.

950
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's funny.

951
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 4: I feel like it's kind of like infused into the

952
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 4: show a little bit of our dynamic, Like Pat is

953
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 4: much more Ivy and I'm much more Harley in terms

954
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 4: of like And what I find when I talked to

955
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 4: fans of the show is that they'll say, I'm in

956
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 4: a relationship.

957
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 5: I'm the Harley, that's the Ivy.

958
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 4: You know, It's like it is a pairing that kind

959
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 4: of like exists in the real world, you know, different

960
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,959
Speaker 4: obviously not to the degrees it does in the show.

961
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 4: But but you know, I think like it is something

962
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 4: that comes out in our writing. A lot of times

963
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 4: work into these stories about like two people who have

964
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 4: a deep friendship but also drive each other fucking insane sometimes, you.

965
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 5: Know, as Pat and I do.

966
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 4: And I think that's always the thing I tell people

967
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 4: are always like, oh, I'm thinking about getting into a

968
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 4: writing partnership. I'm like, well, you should say that in

969
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 4: the way that you would say I'm thinking about getting

970
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 4: into a marriage. It's like, well, you've got to like

971
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 4: get into those organically, because you have to be able

972
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 4: to have, you know, really intense arguments and disagreements and

973
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 4: still like love the other person and come back from

974
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 4: those things. And if you can't do that, then that shit.

975
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 5: Is going to fall apart.

976
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 1: The relationship of Harley and Ivy's one that I think

977
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:03,919
Speaker 1: is deeply pro fans have you what's the feedback been, Like.

978
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 4: It's and crazy. We went, like the people send us

979
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 4: like tattoos they get of stupid jokes that we made

980
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 4: in the show, Like we have this joke about we

981
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 4: have this joke where Ivy orders a cop salad.

982
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 5: To impress cat women. Yeah, and even though.

983
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 4: She's vegan, and and she's like, we should get a

984
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 4: word of the cops squad, we get cops alls together

985
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 4: with the top squad. We should get tattoo, it says

986
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 4: Cops Squad, Like it's a stupid joke, and then somebody

987
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 4: got that tattoo and I was like, Okay, in real life,

988
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 4: I'm like, this is the pinnacle of I think, you know,

989
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 4: it's it's really like, uh, you know, I am a

990
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 4: straight white dude, but I have heard a lot from

991
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 4: the queer community that like this relationship being a like

992
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 4: solid relationship between two people where we're not just kind

993
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 4: of like having them break up and get back together

994
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 4: and it's fallatile in that way has really meant a

995
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 4: lot to them. And like we had somebody come up

996
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 4: to us at Comic On this year and say like

997
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 4: that this, you know, seeing this relationship finally like realized

998
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 4: in the comic book world and not like hinted at

999
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 4: or something like that was just like in a really

1000
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 4: emotionally moving thing for them that helped them kind of

1001
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 4: like do the same thing in their own life. And

1002
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 4: I'm like, fuck, I'm just making dick and far jokes

1003
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 4: like this. The fact that the fact that it did

1004
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 4: that is such a like an amazing thing to hear

1005
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 4: when you're just you know, and it makes you remember

1006
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 4: that like, oh right, like you make these things, but

1007
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 4: they have they have a life of their own as

1008
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 4: they go out into the world and like, let's put

1009
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 4: out shit into the world that we think is good,

1010
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 4: like you know, And I think that it's been really

1011
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 4: amazing to see the response to those two together.

1012
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that kind of the dick and fart

1013
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 3: jokes thing is actually part of why it feels so profound,

1014
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 3: because it's like they get to be in a normal

1015
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 3: R rated adult comedy, but they yet to be queer.

1016
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 3: And I think like that and also, like you said,

1017
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 3: like for a long time that was implied then it

1018
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,439
Speaker 3: became textraal, but really the show is the first place

1019
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 3: that gets to explore it in this kind of long

1020
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 3: form way. And something that I think is really cool

1021
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 3: that you know, you guys talked about a lot, is

1022
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 3: this notion of as long as you're running the show,

1023
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 3: Harley and Ivy aren't going to break up. It's not

1024
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 3: something you're interested in. But now that we're there and

1025
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 3: we're in that space, Honeymoon period's kind of over. What

1026
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 3: kind of challenges does that bring to you on a

1027
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 3: storytelling level?

1028
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 5: It's funny.

1029
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 4: I actually kind of like looked at it in a

1030
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 4: different way. I almost looked at it as a feature,

1031
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 4: not a bug. Like when we were telling stories. When

1032
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 4: we were telling stories when they were apart, and we

1033
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 4: couldn't tell romantic stories between the two of them because

1034
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 4: they hadn't gotten together yet. There were so many stories

1035
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 4: where I was like, ah, fuck, we can't tell this

1036
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 4: one yet because they're not together. And so as they're together,

1037
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 4: it brings up this opportunity to tell all these stories

1038
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 4: that we didn't get to tell the first two seasons

1039
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 4: because they work together, right, And it's like, to me,

1040
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 4: it felt like, oh, you know, like anytime you make

1041
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 4: a show with the will they won't they, the fear

1042
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 4: is that as soon as they do, the show sucks.

1043
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 5: You know, like it happens.

1044
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,479
Speaker 4: It happens, right, If your whole show is built around

1045
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 4: will they won't they? And then they do a lot

1046
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 4: of times, your show is just like, oh, now they did,

1047
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 4: and they're a fucking boring couple.

1048
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 5: Can't stand up.

1049
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 4: And so I think for us it was like we

1050
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 4: kind of felt like, Hey, our show is not built

1051
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 4: around the will they won't they? So let's not put uh,

1052
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 4: let's not put that kind of pressure on the show,

1053
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 4: and instead, let's allow ourselves to tell, you know, the

1054
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 4: kind of stories you might tell on.

1055
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 5: Any show with two with you know, two people are together.

1056
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about the jokes for a second. I

1057
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: opined the other day on social media that that Harley

1058
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: Quinn has probably the highest joke per minute rate of

1059
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: a show currently on TV. I think people might quibble

1060
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: with that, but the jokes come fast and furious. What

1061
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: is the what's the philosophy there behind just absolutely spraying

1062
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: us down with jokes.

1063
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you a secret.

1064
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 4: I think that it is built upon insecurity and self loathing.

1065
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 5: Uh Like, come on, because here's why.

1066
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 4: Because every time, like uh, I write a joke, or somebody,

1067
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 4: any good joke writer I think, writes a joke, they think, oh,

1068
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 4: this joke might be a total piece of shit, hacky joke.

1069
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 4: So if you write a thousand of them, then you're like,

1070
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 4: but if you hate that one, there'll be a different

1071
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 4: one coming up next. And if you hate that one,

1072
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 4: there'll be another one that comes up next, and if

1073
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 4: you hate that one, and so so on and so forth,

1074
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 4: and so really it sort of comes from, like, you know,

1075
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 4: like I think probably we all have like that friend

1076
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 4: who like literally is always making self deprecating jokes and

1077
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 4: too many jokes, and you're like, fuck, dude, just calm

1078
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 4: down a second and believe in yourself for one minute.

1079
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Speaker 4: And if and and but you know, in the writer's room,

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00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 4: like you want, you always have that feeling of like, ah,

1081
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 4: but what if this one's not good? All right, let's

1082
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 4: write another one, you know. And I think that that's

1083
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 4: that's kind of where it was born from. And also

1084
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 4: just like the writers and Patrick and I like the

1085
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 4: shows that we loved growing up, like The Simpsons and

1086
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 4: Seinfeld and thirty Rock, Like those shows were all built

1087
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 4: on like a joke. Every two lines, you know, which

1088
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 4: is a joke is just happening, happening, happening, happening. And

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01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 4: I love those challenges in joke writing. It's just like

1090
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 4: so fun to see something that really hits. And so

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01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,439
Speaker 4: that's kind of why we built it that way.

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01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, I think that you will take

1093
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 3: such a brilliant takes such brilliant advantage of kind of

1094
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 3: the amount of good jokes there are to make about

1095
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 3: this stuff, like whether it is you're you know, like

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01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 3: I've talked about this a lot. I actually talked to

1097
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 3: you about San Diego. So sorry for repeating myself, but

1098
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 3: I still I've watched the season. I think it's brilliant.

1099
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 3: I still can't get over like the Rube Goldberg machine

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01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 3: death that introduces you know, we'll rap bat or batra

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01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 3: rap Bruce Wayne, you know, things like that. Where So

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Speaker 3: could you talk a little bit about how how much?

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01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 3: Because I just imagine it's the most fun but kind

1104
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 3: of that building those many many jokes in, but also

1105
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 3: always bringing it back to that comic book place, because

1106
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 3: that's why the jokes are so good. It's like so

1107
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 3: many of them feel like jokes you just make with

1108
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 3: your friends if you read these comics.

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01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's you know, it's funny.

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01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 4: Like I would say, the makeup of our writer's room,

1111
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 4: it's probably half the people are hardcore comic book fans

1112
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 4: and half the people maybe don't even read them at all.

1113
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, And I think that.

1114
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 4: We wanted that kind of split because we we wanted

1115
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 4: to make sure the show wasn't too insular, It wasn't

1116
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 4: too inside inside baseball, and I think that, you know,

1117
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 4: so a lot of times what we do is like,

1118
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 4: you know, somebody's making and somebody pitches a joke, we

1119
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 4: talk about percentiles right of who's going to get it right,

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01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 4: and we're like, is this ten percenter?

1121
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 5: Is this a forty percenter?

1122
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 4: And it becomes one of those things where I'm like,

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01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 4: it's either got to be a sixty percenter.

1124
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 5: Up or it's got to be a one percenter.

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Speaker 4: And because that one percent, And what I've found is that,

1126
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 4: like you know, especially with that sequence you were talking

1127
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 4: about right, which for those who haven't seen you, it's

1128
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 4: like the mayor is killed in this crazy way, the

1129
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 4: mayor of Gotham City is killed in this insane Roupe

1130
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 4: Goldberg kind of way. And during this killing, a rat

1131
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 4: family is a rat family that is dressed to go

1132
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 4: to a show, much like the waynes is. The parents

1133
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 4: are killed and the young rat holds up the mother's

1134
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 4: pearls like Bruce Wayne did when his parents, and we're

1135
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 4: seeing the origins of what would be this rat becoming batman,

1136
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 4: and I think that just became I remember in the

1137
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 4: moment we were talking about Batman, and we were like,

1138
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 4: how many fucking times are we going to see this

1139
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 4: man's parent stuff? How many times? And then I was like,

1140
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Speaker 4: you know what this is. We actually made it into

1141
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 4: an episode this season, coming up, episode eight, but we

1142
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 4: were like, let's kill this guy's fucking parents so many

1143
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 4: times this season.

1144
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 3: Then they never do it again that it's.

1145
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 4: Just that we've ruined it for everyone else, Like let's

1146
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 4: absolutely just beat the audience to death with the amount

1147
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 4: of times we kill Bruce Wayne's parents.

1148
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 5: And then we're gonna kill little rat Bruce Waite's parents.

1149
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 5: We're gonna anytime we.

1150
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 4: See Bruce Wayne's parents, we're gonna fucking kill them because

1151
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 4: we just want this to be this like oversaturated thing

1152
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:37,439
Speaker 4: where we're kind of like poking fun.

1153
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 5: And again, to DC's credit, DC was like, do it.

1154
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 5: We love that rat.

1155
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: I think, you know, as a when you're just watching

1156
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: TV as a pure audience member and you see, you know,

1157
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: an episode is written by so and so, directed by

1158
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: so and so, maybe created by some other names, it

1159
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: might be hard to kind of like grasp all the

1160
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: hands that everything tell us, like what, you know, how collaborative.

1161
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 2: Harley Quinn is creating this show is Oh.

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01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 5: My god, it's insanely collaborative.

1163
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 4: I mean, one of the things I point out is like,

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Speaker 4: you know, we've gotten a lot of like goodwill about

1165
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 4: the queer relationship and the show, and I just want

1166
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 4: to be really clear that if it were left to

1167
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 4: be and Patrick, we would have fucked.

1168
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 5: Up the reship.

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01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 3: I love accountability, love accountability, we.

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Speaker 4: Would we would have done a bad version of that.

1171
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 4: And the reason that we didn't is because we had

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Speaker 4: queer writers on the show who were like, this is

1173
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 4: your idea is bad. Here's a better way we should

1174
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 4: go with it, you know, And I think that that's

1175
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:42,919
Speaker 4: the thing is like a lot of times you see

1176
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 4: the written by credit but where you see the showrunner

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Speaker 4: or whoever, and it's like.

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Speaker 5: But really, the thing is, it's like these things.

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01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 4: Are built in a room with everybody's voice, right, and

1180
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 4: then you write an outline and it's everybody's chipping in jokes,

1181
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 4: everybody's throwing in story ideas. Everything is, you know, everybody's

1182
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 4: putting in stuff. And so by the time it gets

1183
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:05,919
Speaker 4: to a script and then you just rewrite and people

1184
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 4: are putting in jokes and people putting in new stories.

1185
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 4: And people have different ideas and so it really is

1186
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 4: like I feel like, if you're in a good writer's room,

1187
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 4: you have a lot of different voices who all come

1188
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 4: from different perspectives, all helping like build this thing together

1189
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 4: in the best way that can build. And that's why

1190
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 4: you can have a show that, if left to the

1191
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 4: two dudes who you know ran it, it would have

1192
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 4: had a shitty love story that was probably not at

1193
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 4: all what people wanted to see at the core center

1194
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 4: of it. But instead we're able to kind of like

1195
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 4: get it to a place that feels like it hits

1196
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 4: it because there's so many different people that are helping

1197
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 4: make the show where it is.

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01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that is so much more, even kind of

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01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 3: expanded in this case of animation, where you also then

1200
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 3: have everybody who's animating it and it's life. Like I

1201
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 3: make comics, and one of the best feelings in the

1202
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 3: world as a writer who is terrible at art is

1203
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 3: to get back those pages and see somebody bringing those

1204
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 3: stories to life in a visual way that I could

1205
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 3: never do. So how does it feel, after the first

1206
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 3: part of that collaboration to then sit down and see

1207
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 3: these jokes and these characters and these kind of archetypal

1208
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 3: figures who inspired you in that format then come to

1209
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 3: life in animation. What's that like?

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Speaker 4: I mean this my favorite thing is like a lot

1211
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Speaker 4: of the animators who work on our show. Previous to this,

1212
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 4: they worked on like kids' shows. But a secret thing,

1213
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,479
Speaker 4: a secret a secret thing about animators is they are

1214
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 4: so fucked up there. They have the most twisted minds

1215
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 4: of any human beings I've ever seen.

1216
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 5: And so when you actually it's like when you take

1217
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 5: an animator who.

1218
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 4: Has been working on like Pepper Pig or like you know,

1219
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 4: Unikitty for six years and you free them and allow

1220
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 4: them to be there like really twistedself, then you start

1221
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 4: geting stuff that is just like unbelievably.

1222
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Speaker 5: Our team le Jeffer.

1223
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Speaker 4: Coyle, Sessieronovich, the all, all of our directors like the

1224
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 4: there their team just goes for it, you know.

1225
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 5: Like we have that in season.

1226
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 4: In the fourth episode of this season, there's an orgy

1227
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 4: happening at the Court of Owels, right, And there was

1228
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 4: like a couple of times in the script where we

1229
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 4: like specified what was happening in the background, but mostly

1230
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 4: we put there's disgusting fucking happening in the background and

1231
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 4: a lot of weird squishy sounds was like kind of

1232
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 4: what we said, right, and we realized after we got

1233
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 4: back the first bortomatic of the show, the animators, the

1234
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 4: like disgusting ship that was in the background of that

1235
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 4: episode was so vile and so like just like so

1236
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 4: discussed the sex acts that were in it were so

1237
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 4: upsetting that like we were like, wow, you can't you

1238
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 4: can never again stated animator like people are fucking in

1239
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 4: weird ways in the background because they.

1240
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Speaker 5: So they bring with it. I wish you guys could

1241
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 5: have seen the very first got that.

1242
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 4: Even even hwo Max was like absolutely not.

1243
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 3: I love that they bought that because it's that episode

1244
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 3: is so it's so eyes wide shot. So I'm glad

1245
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 3: that they bought that nefariousness to it, even if we

1246
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 3: didn't get to see it.

1247
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 4: Yes, there's the animation team. I mean, they bring so

1248
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 4: much to it. They add so many jokes too, like

1249
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 4: things you'd never that are not the script at all,

1250
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 4: are just like you know, put in in later on

1251
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 4: in animation because the animators just love having this like

1252
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 4: sort of like playpen where they can do what they want.

1253
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: You're running for the board of the WGA, the Writers' Union,

1254
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: and you've been really vocal about getting animation workers animators.

1255
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 2: Rights under the union. Walk us through that that argument.

1256
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 5: Yeah. So you know, it's funny.

1257
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 4: I have two We have you know, Harley, and then

1258
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,719
Speaker 4: we have now this spin off of Harley, this Guide

1259
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 4: Mann you know show, and both those shows are not

1260
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:01,879
Speaker 4: Writers Guild shows.

1261
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 5: And that is a.

1262
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 4: That is a function of the fact that I was

1263
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 4: incredibly naive when I came into the negotiations for these

1264
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 4: shows when we sold them. We came in and we

1265
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 4: we sold these shows, and we said, hey, we're Writers

1266
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,719
Speaker 4: Guild members, so they're going to be writers skilled shows.

1267
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 4: And Warner Brothers, you know, the executors we were dealing

1268
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 4: with Warner Brothers were like, well, we'll run it up

1269
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,719
Speaker 4: the flag bowl. We'll see because they had never done

1270
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 4: a primetime animated show before Warner Brothers Animation had never

1271
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 4: done it.

1272
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 5: They'd only done kids animation. It wasn't like Fox.

1273
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 4: And when we were like three months into our our

1274
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 4: development of the show, they were like, hey, and we're

1275
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 4: down the road. We've hired you know, we're starting to

1276
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 4: hire people. They're like, we can't. We have to do

1277
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 4: the SCIATZI, which is the Animation Guild, right, which just

1278
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 4: the animation Guild. Great guild for animators, terrible guild for

1279
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 4: writers because the minimums that they pay writers, the script

1280
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 4: fees that they pay writers, everything is treated like it's

1281
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 4: nineteen forty five. And while at Disney's screaming at them,

1282
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 4: you know, fuck you, you have no rights, You're a

1283
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 4: fucking pieces. Yet you know, it's like, that's how that's

1284
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 4: how writers are treated. I believe, and I think that

1285
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 4: Writers Guild needs to be covering that, right. But the

1286
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 4: only way we can make that happen with the studios

1287
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 4: is because it's so much cheaper for a studio to

1288
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 4: make a show IATZI because it means it means they

1289
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 4: can pay everyone on the writing side way.

1290
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 5: Way way way way less. Right.

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Speaker 4: So the only way we're going to get all these

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Speaker 4: studios to flip is if we, as an entire union

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Speaker 4: collectively say we're no longer going forward, We're no longer

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Speaker 4: going to create new shows that are animated that are

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Speaker 4: not covered to our writers. Our writers are not covered

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Speaker 4: under the guild. The animators can be covered under ass

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Speaker 4: it's totally fine, yeah, but for our writers, they need

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Speaker 4: to be taken care of by a writer's guilt. It

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Speaker 4: is a guild for writers.

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Speaker 1: Justin thanks so much for coming on and talking to

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Speaker 1: us about everything you're doing. And Harley Quinn please come

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Speaker 1: back again.

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Speaker 5: Wow, thank you, thank you so much for having Rosie.

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Speaker 5: I knew I saw you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like, but I was like,

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Speaker 3: I have to ask about that game because I listeners

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Speaker 3: need to hear you explain it because it's like so good.

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Speaker 3: It's what I also love. I deeply love swamp Thing

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Speaker 3: and Constantine. So I was feeling very pandid too in

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Speaker 3: episode five.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I was.

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Speaker 4: I was worried about that a little bit because it's

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Speaker 4: such a different Sam Richardson voice the swamping.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's so good, he's great.

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Speaker 4: And it's such a different version of swamp Thing than

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Speaker 4: we have seen before.

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Speaker 3: No sexy boyfriend swamp Thing. You're going to be getting

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Speaker 3: a lot of fan art for that one. Oh my god,

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Speaker 3: I'm questioned, man, Bun swamp Thing. I gonna love it.

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Speaker 4: If I could just tell you one quick story about

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Speaker 4: yes please Okay. So I didn't realize when we did

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Speaker 4: the show the level of fan art I was going

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Speaker 4: to receive sent to me on Twitter on a daily basis,

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Speaker 4: and to the point, so so to the point I've

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Speaker 4: gotten the craziest shit sent to me, to the point

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Speaker 4: where I found out that sharks have two dicks because

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Speaker 4: of a fan art that was sent to me where

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Speaker 4: it's King Somebody's drooped. They were like, hey, love your show,

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Speaker 4: and then they drew a picture of King Shark in

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Speaker 4: a straight jacket with wire wrapped around his balls and

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Speaker 4: his two erect penises shooting out, and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 4: I what this is insane. But also this is how

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Speaker 4: I learned that sharks have two penises.

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Speaker 5: I guess this is coming from this.

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Speaker 4: Like the fan art is so nuts and so crazy

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Speaker 4: and the weird it is the more I love it.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it's I'm hoping to get some good swamp

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Speaker 4: thing din.

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Speaker 1: Art justin thank you, thank you again, and thank you

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Speaker 1: for giving us the two dick story.

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Speaker 3: Well it's the story we need.

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Speaker 5: Thank you guys for having me.

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Speaker 1: Huge thanks to Justin Halpern, and of course to the

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Speaker 1: great Rosie Knight for being here with us on X

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Speaker 1: Ray Vision, Rosie.

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Speaker 2: What have You Plug?

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Speaker 3: You can find me on Rosie Marx, on Instagram and

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Speaker 3: letterbox where I am this year updating every movie I watch,

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01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 3: including lots of bad movies, so you can follow me

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Speaker 3: there and judge my movie taste. You will be able

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Speaker 3: to find articles about many of the things that we've

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Speaker 3: talked about. I wrote an article I'm very proud of

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Speaker 3: recently in regards to another horror movie we haven't talked about,

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Speaker 3: which is Nope. So if you watched Nope and you

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Speaker 3: are wondering if there's really an alien invasion themed electronic

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Speaker 3: store in Burbank, I wrote an article about it. It

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Speaker 3: was real, Rip Fries, I love you. Yeah, you can

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Speaker 3: find me ign Den of Geek, Polygon, all those kinds

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Speaker 3: of places. You can still go to a local comic

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Speaker 3: shop and see if they have a copy of Godzilla

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Speaker 3: Rivals Versus Batchrup. Some places are selling out. That's been

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Speaker 3: a nice surprise. Want to give a big shout out

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Speaker 3: to Secret Headquarters. They did such a brilliant job facilitate

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Speaker 3: in giving away copies of the comic. They are out now.

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Speaker 3: You guys really showed up, So thank you for that.

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Speaker 3: And yeah here obviously every week with.

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Speaker 1: The additionally, we have ten yes, we have ten issues

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Speaker 1: of Godzilliversus Batcheler to give away.

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Speaker 2: Hit us at x ray at crooked dot com.

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Speaker 1: Hit us with your address as well your emailing address,

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Speaker 1: of Godzilver's Batra by the wonderful Rosie Night and Oliver.

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Speaker 1: on Twitter and x ray Vision on YouTube. Plus, we

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Speaker 1: have an x ray Vision discord. You can find the

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Speaker 1: link in the show notes. Our next episode will be

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Speaker 1: on August nineteenth. Remember, send your House of the Dragon

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Speaker 2: X ray Vision is a Crooked Media production.

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Speaker 1: The show is produced by Chris Lordensaulrubin the show is

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Speaker 1: executive produced by myself and Sandy Gerhard are editing and

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01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:43,519
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Speaker 1: Thank you Brian Vasquez for O theme music.

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Speaker 2: See you next time.