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Speaker 2: and listening to your voicemails about new episodes. So this

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Speaker 2: week we want to share Jill's interview on Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 2: She drops some never before her gems. Keep listening for

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Speaker 3: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 3: Here on iHeart first of all our family. What's up

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Speaker 3: like you?

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Speaker 5: Hey?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: How you doing? Why? Why he give me sideye already me?

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Speaker 5: I'm not giving you said, I'm excited?

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Speaker 3: Are you?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 3: No, No, I know this this is.

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Speaker 4: Let me just bypass you guys, pay Bill and far Ticolo.

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Speaker 3: I'll get into it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been waiting for this episode, probably longer than

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Speaker 4: we care to actually stay on the records. I don't

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Speaker 4: know why it's taken almost three and a half years

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Speaker 4: for us to finally bring to fortune. Uh the Jill

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Speaker 4: Scott episode. I can't say enough about this woman. She

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Speaker 4: helped me get my first Grammy, and I appreciate that.

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Speaker 4: Jill Scott, she saved my life. She gave me my

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Speaker 4: first and only hit.

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Speaker 3: Wow, it is why.

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Speaker 4: Only No, lady and gentlemen, No, for Jill Scott is

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Speaker 4: much more than that to me.

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Speaker 3: She's actually, she's literally one.

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Speaker 4: Of my favorite artists ever, accomplished poet singer.

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Speaker 3: Actually Chris Yes, extraordinaire.

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Speaker 4: Please welcome to Quest lof Supreme finally, one and only Jill. Wait, Joe,

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Speaker 4: what's your middle name? I'm gonna look this up on

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Speaker 4: the internet. Jill, Wait, why don't we know your Like?

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Jill, did you take your middle name

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Speaker 3: off of the Internet.

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Speaker 1: Internet?

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Speaker 5: Yes, you did.

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Speaker 3: Barbara probably got a black ass middle name.

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Speaker 4: Lazy gentleman, Jill Scott, it's probably.

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Speaker 1: I like lo retal.

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Speaker 4: Wait, are you trying to tell me that your middle

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Speaker 4: name will never be known into the world ever?

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Speaker 1: If you search hard enough, you'll find it.

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Speaker 7: Is really secret. Like she didn't want to tell me

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Speaker 7: where she was at. She didn't want to tell me

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Speaker 7: where her house was.

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Speaker 3: Not even a state? Yeah, not no, because you're a

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Speaker 3: Philly for life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Philly all day.

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Speaker 3: And what.

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Speaker 1: I just like balance, man. I try to find a

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Speaker 1: place where people don't know me at all for anything,

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Speaker 1: and I go there and it's great. We have conversations

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Speaker 1: about something and nothing. We get angry with each other

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Speaker 1: and you know, call h oo a on each other.

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Speaker 1: It's nice.

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Speaker 4: You're trying to tell me that you you're in a

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Speaker 4: circle in which people may or may not know who

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Speaker 5: That's right, No, not impossible. They all white.

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Speaker 3: I believe that. I can believe it.

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Speaker 7: Yes, possis white famous, and then there's black famous.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and white famous yes, and the white famous and

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Speaker 1: uh no incomes text, no state income text. All that

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Speaker 1: made sense to me an Anchorage, I was like, yep,

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 3: Wait, there's another place that's not Delaware that does this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm in Tennessee. Oh.

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Speaker 5: Because she said it, I was scared she was gonna

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Speaker 5: get this up if we said it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I won't fight you, nigga, I'm scared of you.

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Speaker 3: You know this.

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Speaker 5: The first song was getting it. Let me tell you

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Speaker 5: about Basilina.

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Speaker 3: I never forget Jill.

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Speaker 8: Jill. I, Oh my god, story time, story time?

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Speaker 4: Can I sell you all the There are seven words

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Speaker 4: I ever heard Jill Scott ever say. Okay, So Jill

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Speaker 4: Scott is best friend with a mutual friend of ours,

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Speaker 4: Leslie Arnette Pina. Leslie is the voice of Oh on

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Speaker 4: Lazy Afternoon or do you Want More?

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Speaker 3: Right? So, I believe maybe this is when Leslie's cutting it.

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Speaker 4: I'm not certain, but what I do know is that

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Speaker 4: she brought her girlfriend down to the studio with her. Now,

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Speaker 4: what makes this even crazier I'm not knowing that the

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Speaker 4: guy that Jill was once dating is also currently messing

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Speaker 4: with a roommate of someone that I lived with in

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Speaker 4: the house that I was living in during the do

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Speaker 3: Period? This sounds like an episode of Insecure.

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Speaker 1: This is so terrible.

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Speaker 3: This all I know. This is all I know, terrible,

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Speaker 4: I sat down on the couch and she must have

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Speaker 4: gotten the news that that he did her wrong. And

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Speaker 4: she said, and the most think of the most Oprah

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Speaker 4: Harpo voice you can muster up, she said, She said,

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Speaker 4: Jill Scott, lady.

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Speaker 1: Gentlemen, yeah ye.

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Speaker 3: Heather, Oh god, I don't know what I was doing.

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Speaker 3: Internet just told me I don't know what I was doing.

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Speaker 4: I was either midshew, I don't know if I was

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Speaker 4: at my lunch or reading something. But I was like, oh,

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Speaker 4: I'm scared of this woman forever.

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Speaker 5: What happened to him, what happened to was gonna get

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Speaker 6: What happened.

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Speaker 1: Let's see. What do I know?

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Speaker 3: I know that and the story at the house.

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you the rest. It's so bad. I

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Speaker 3: Special limitations is that I think you can in Okay.

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Speaker 1: So I went to the house. I went to the house,

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Speaker 1: and and she was there at the house right right right,

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Speaker 1: drinking my kool aid out of the glass I bought. YEP,

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Speaker 1: I happened to have a razor blade.

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Speaker 4: Oh boy, all right, this is question of supreme min

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Speaker 4: Thank you, school next week and gentlemen, love.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, keep going.

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Speaker 1: Everyone lived, Everyone lived, but his wardrobe didn't live. Ah,

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Speaker 1: his wardrobe didn't live.

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Speaker 3: Kind of everything and everything era.

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Speaker 1: Hockey era everything and.

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Speaker 3: Where you can.

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Speaker 4: Settle something for me, Jill, was he at all? Was

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Speaker 4: he at all involved in music? Because I have another

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Speaker 4: issue with him three weeks later. Now, mind you, this

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Speaker 4: guy is messing with a girl that lives in my house,

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Speaker 4: and he steals my drum machine.

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Speaker 3: Dog.

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Speaker 4: I put two and two together way after the fact,

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Speaker 4: like you all just tarantinoed your way into my timeline,

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Speaker 4: and then I had to put the story together to

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Speaker 4: machines that house probably, and so yeah, but that's how,

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Speaker 4: that's how I And then the second time, But the

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Speaker 4: second time, Jill was made three grand entrances in my

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Speaker 4: the second one was a little blurry because at the

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Speaker 4: time I was at Richmond Diena's house. It was like

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Speaker 4: a barbecue whatever, and it was like a spades tournament.

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Speaker 4: And one of my greatest shames is also I learned late, right,

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Speaker 4: So that part's a little blurry, But I remember Jill there.

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Speaker 4: But the third time with meeting Jill was at a

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Speaker 4: poetry slam in West Philadelphia around fifty fourth and Baltimore Avenue.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember this.

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Speaker 4: You don't remember this, no, you all right, So I

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Speaker 4: believe either Torpeter Mason introduced you somebody a fellow poet

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Speaker 4: introduced you and you cut her off before. It was like,

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Speaker 4: ladies and gentlemen, we're going to bring up someone to

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Speaker 4: it was like, ladies and gentlemen, Okay, that was Ursula

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Speaker 4: Rucker of Richmond, Tina and you know coming up next

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Speaker 4: as a sister from North Philadelphia.

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Speaker 6: She was right, But no, man, it was like, you

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Speaker 6: know how like Felicia was shot over Nuanzi eight where

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Speaker 6: it's like like her last name is Alan, like Felicia

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Speaker 6: Airs Allen or Debbie Allen.

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Speaker 4: From the back of the room. Every time I closed

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Speaker 4: and we lost our ghosts, like who the fuck is this?

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Speaker 4: And she's just like slowly walked to the stage. It

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Speaker 4: was like our tongues were collectively wagging, like the.

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Speaker 1: And I don't remember that at all?

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Speaker 8: Did I miss out on Jill sexy poet? Like whole

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Speaker 8: sexual poetry thing?

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Speaker 3: That dog you weren't there for that? I heard enough

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Speaker 3: to be fucking yeah, nineteen ninety nine, I think you

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Speaker 3: got it be in.

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Speaker 1: Sixteen, Oh pudding, pudn't there's a.

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Speaker 4: Wink in there, No, but I believe two three weeks

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Speaker 3: You started coming around the Sigma with Scott.

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Speaker 5: So Nope, no, Jill, tell a story.

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Speaker 1: No, No, I don't. I don't remember Baltimore. It was

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Speaker 1: so much poetry at the time. We were everywhere trying

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Speaker 1: But I do remember the night I met yo As Now.

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Speaker 1: We were on a I'm trying to remember the brother's name.

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Speaker 1: He had a small record store, and he had closed

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Speaker 1: I think Rich might have been DJing.

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Speaker 3: That was Rich's spot. Oh, Keith my current my current

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Speaker 1: Years later, Yeah, it was Keith.

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Speaker 3: Look at that, Okay, Yes, in South Philly.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So I think we were there, if I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 1: And I read something and I came off and you

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Speaker 1: said you do you write songs? And I lied, I

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Speaker 1: said yes, which I did not do, and you were like, okay, Bet,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to hook you up. You should come to

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Speaker 1: the studio. Had I been to a studio yet? I

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Speaker 1: don't even think I had been to a studio anywhere

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Speaker 1: except for the night I met you at a Sigma

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Speaker 1: Sigma sound where I met you, that was the first

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Speaker 1: time I had ever been in studio. This will be

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Speaker 1: the second. So you hooked me up with Scott Storch,

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Speaker 1: who I knew only because I had seen him play

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Speaker 1: in the keys at every jam session and every time

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Speaker 1: that I saw you guys perform. You know, Scott was there.

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Speaker 1: You You asked me if I could write a song.

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Speaker 1: I said, okay, didn't know how at all. And we

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Speaker 1: sat there and Scott and I got blazed for like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, like ho.

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Speaker 3: So you just wing you Got Me experience?

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Speaker 5: Was that the first generation? Like you gave him your

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Speaker 5: first draft or you yeah?

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Speaker 4: Wow, Yeah, there were seven songs, but you got Me.

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Speaker 4: I still that cassette You Got Me was number three.

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Speaker 4: You worked on seven sketches. You Got Me was number three,

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Speaker 4: And when I heard it, I said to myself, this

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Speaker 4: song is going to change my life. I knew ten

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Speaker 3: Yeah the Roots on the Things Fall apart box two.

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Speaker 3: We are, we're jumping the gun. We're in nineteen ninety nine,

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Speaker 3: Jill Scott. Yeah, where were you born? Where were you born?

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Speaker 1: At Albert Einstein Hospital in Philadelphia?

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Speaker 4: Because North Phillies is anything above Broad Street to me

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Speaker 1: I'm twenty third in le High Oh yeah, Lee High,

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Speaker 1: I don't know Jade Street all right, it's.

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Speaker 1: Many many, many shootings. You know where Dobbins is, Dobbins

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Speaker 1: I'm an English teacher.

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Speaker 3: Wow here Harley.

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Speaker 4: New Ye.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So in growing up in Philadelphia, like.

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Speaker 3: On its own.

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Speaker 1: You know what I really you know, I know that

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Speaker 1: I step to everybody. I don't well, I do, I do.

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Speaker 3: But you grew up the loon child in yeah household.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you didn't have a story. I'm gonna get my

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Speaker 1: Like there's none of that. My cousins hated. My cousins hated.

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Speaker 8: I could read through her words that Jill didn't have

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Speaker 5: It sounded like like you It wasn't.

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Speaker 5: I think it.

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Speaker 1: School was teaching English. It was dope. I loved it,

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 1: I went to Girls High okay, but I taught at

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Speaker 1: at the Ardent Theater Company. Do you want to try

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Speaker 1: I auditioned, and I had several meetings and I was

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Speaker 1: One thing begat another. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So wait, so no freedom theater, none of this stuff

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Speaker 5: Into your No, I wish I couldn't afford.

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Speaker 3: We're singing in church as as a young like, none of.

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Speaker 5: Wait, so that meant that story about you?

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Speaker 8: It was a story about you not being a part

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Speaker 5: That's not true.

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Speaker 1: The cleaning up part came later when I was in college.

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Speaker 1: But that was that was just because I thought it

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Speaker 3: Where'd you go to school?

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Speaker 9: Temple?

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Speaker 1: Which one? I went for two years and I took

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Speaker 3: Were major No.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't even know how many times I went

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Speaker 1: swear to you. I just was trying to finish, to

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Speaker 3: I don't know how to get that done.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell you the first, the first degree

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Speaker 1: I earned. After that, they gave me the next and

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Speaker 1: the next book. I'm cool with it. I'm good with it.

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Speaker 3: Damn, Jill. I would have I would have known you, children, yo, I.

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Speaker 1: Got in the creative and performing arts. I really would

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Speaker 3: I could have went to Kapa.

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Speaker 1: Why got into both schools to girls Hiding and Kappa.

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Speaker 5: And I was terrified.

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Speaker 1: I was terrified of that neighborhood. I was like, I

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Speaker 1: I'm scared, like they're gonna kill me. They're gonna try to.

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Speaker 3: All day. Julie pronounced it scared s k A E

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Speaker 1: I was like, they're going to kill me. I can't

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Speaker 3: You were creative writing major.

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Speaker 1: I was a creative I would have been the English teacher. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: We went on together?

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00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 3: Manager you know Sean in high school?

447
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 5: Said she just said that.

448
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we weren't sure you were. No, we went

449
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: on the prom together. We all went and sat together.

450
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 3: We were Yeah.

451
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: How many Sean?

452
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 4: Uh?

453
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: It was me and my date, him and his date,

454
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 1: Court and in his date, so it was six of us.

455
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: That's right.

456
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 5: Wow, that's dope. That a story of you and Sean,

457
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 5: Like what an evolution?

458
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think I met him when I was

459
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: I was fourteen. I had to be fourteen or fifteen.

460
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: I think I might have been fifteen. But I got

461
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: pictures of young showing in my office somewhere.

462
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 3: We need this blackmail material. Oh come on, y'all.

463
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 4: Oh wait, damn I know, wait a damn ship because

464
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 4: I know San's gonna listen to this episode.

465
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 3: I got some really good on showing you got you

466
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: got some tapes?

467
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 5: You got some rap tapes?

468
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:54,239
Speaker 3: What you got?

469
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 5: What you got rap tapes?

470
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: Man?

471
00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 4: I scowled the earth for Showing's record. Oh my god,

472
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 4: are you gonna pull up all right? Well wait, here's

473
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 4: the here's the thing.

474
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 3: No, I got it. And he you know, like he

475
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 3: sounds like it's straight. He's straight ll eighty five.

476
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 5: Like right now, he said he talked to his whole style.

477
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 5: That's what he says.

478
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 3: Sounds.

479
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 4: But the thing is that Sean was like the family

480
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 4: star Tarika Fomo because like, you know, Thanksgiving, Sean asked

481
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 4: twelve and shingle out and was getting played on local radio.

482
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 4: Bluie b was like, you know, and Tarik was like,

483
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 4: where they get a load of me? And then that's

484
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 4: what inspired to Rek to like step up.

485
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 5: That Sean and Tarka are cousins because most.

486
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: People, yeah, but this is where it even goes deeper.

487
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 4: Angela and Whistle my Angie former Okay player partner in

488
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 4: current write writer at Mixed Dish one day she asked

489
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 4: me for like some interstitial rap music, Like do I

490
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 4: know like a real cheap, random rap song that's like

491
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 4: kind of bad from like nineteen eighty five eighty six,

492
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 4: like when they do a flashback thing like that time

493
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 4: back in nineteen eighty five.

494
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, then right, and so I was this close to

495
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 3: getting that song clear on mixed dish.

496
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 4: But I would have had to I would have to

497
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 4: been the owner of the publishing to make it happen.

498
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 3: Damn.

499
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 4: Oh god, yeah, because I wanted to be something where

500
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 4: like Shorans is watching TV.

501
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: And it just just hurt fem.

502
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: How do I get this?

503
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 3: Oh?

504
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 4: Still, since I get off this phone, I will send

505
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 4: it to you. Oh man, I've been saving. I've been

506
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 4: saving this record for like the home to dry it.

507
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: I say, you know what I want to I mean,

508
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: I want to hear the other six songs that Scott

509
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: and I did. What happened to them? I don't know

510
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: if you have them, but I'm curious because, yeah, my

511
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: first time with Scott not having Babbage, not having baggage

512
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: right Babbage?

513
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 5: Babbage?

514
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: Oh Babbage right Babbage?

515
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 3: Oh real weird?

516
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Scott, Scott was on the whole other level.

517
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, wait, wow, this is this is wonderful,

518
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: this is a beautiful sensation.

519
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 9: Yeah.

520
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Scott's at work.

521
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 4: At what point, even though you didn't have a traditional

522
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 4: church experience or community theater experience as most of our

523
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 4: guests do. Oh like, where does music play in your life?

524
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 4: For at least the first four mintive years like your

525
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 4: first eight years. Like, what was the first record you

526
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 4: ever brought of? The first content you went to?

527
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 3: And were you allowed to?

528
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 4: Uh?

529
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 5: I said, was she allowed to have it?

530
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: Yeah?

531
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

532
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 5: Wait yeah right.

533
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: Blowing a dark record player?

534
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: I was allowed.

535
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: Let's see, I my first record. I don't know the

536
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: first record, but I took The Whiz to my third

537
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: grade show and tell and everybody hated it. I was devastated.

538
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: Something was wrong with those people.

539
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: You play.

540
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 5: And they hated it?

541
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 4: So you brought the records to school? Yes, and they

542
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 4: didn't appreciate it as much at all.

543
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: They thought it was awful. They booed. I was like,

544
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: you're all insane. I'm out of here.

545
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 5: What was your jam on the record?

546
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: Jail?

547
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 8: Oh?

548
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: Brandon Day? You know how I know how you are

549
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: about the Wiz, Like, yes, the Wiz poster is in

550
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: a frame above my son's toilet.

551
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: I think the Wiz is a great horror movie. Dude.

552
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: You know what.

553
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 3: The Wiz is a hard cell.

554
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: It is.

555
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 4: One night, one night, I just I conducted experiment. It

556
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 4: was one of these nights where where we had like

557
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 4: Thanksgiving run uh, like a tour. I had Thanksgiving off

558
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 4: but not enough to really like plan anything with family.

559
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 4: So this time I was stuck with a bunch of

560
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 4: people that I work with. We call them white people,

561
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 4: and I was just wondering when you were to me,

562
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 4: and I was like, I want to see how white.

563
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: People react to the Wiz. Oh this is good, yo.

564
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 4: It freaked them out. It was to them it was

565
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 4: like an acid trip, like watching the Wiz through their eyes.

566
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 4: Then they were like, Yo, this is the scariest ship

567
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 4: we have ever seen.

568
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 7: Like now as a kid, like watching the Wiz and

569
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 7: when Eveline's when her nails nails go.

570
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: Backwards and get the fun out of that.

571
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 5: Man.

572
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: That was I think we were just happening to see

573
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: black people.

574
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 7: I think that's what it was. We was like, we

575
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 7: got Michael Jackson, we got Dan A. Ross, So we're

576
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 7: just happen to see black people acting.

577
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: But but the metaphors were so perfect. Black man can't

578
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: catch cab in New York City, Yeah, the young woman

579
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: who can't get out of the house, you know, still

580
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: living at home with her mama. You know, all of

581
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: those things that were actually occurring to poppy fields or

582
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: the hookers on the street, you know, all of that

583
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: it was. The metaphors were for the hood.

584
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 4: It was.

585
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: It was wonderful. As a writer, I just fell in love.

586
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: And then I met Quincy Jones and was like, I

587
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: just looked on you with the third grade. He was like,

588
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: I hated that. I hated that whole moment of it.

589
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 5: Charlie, Yeah, Charlie. They hated each other. Well, he hated

590
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 5: Charlie because.

591
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 3: It's you know what it was.

592
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 4: Okay, as as the elder statesman of this crew, because

593
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 4: you all were three at the time when it came out,

594
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 4: I'm saying that to watch like the morning that it

595
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 4: came out, and to watch it in its first run,

596
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 4: I had to stand I had to stand in line

597
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 4: for three and a half hours.

598
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 3: You remember the Sam Eric the movies, like you saw it,

599
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 3: you know, I'm just saying, yeah, that's a certain thing.

600
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 3: I was just like, oh shit, no, no, no, no,

601
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: the Wiz you.

602
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 4: I think I think now that I'm looking in hindsight,

603
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 4: the excitement and the build up to what The Whiz was.

604
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: Was probably better than the movie itself.

605
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 4: No, no, I'm not saying that it was a bad film,

606
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 4: because this is the thing we have to know, Like

607
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 4: Sidney Lament, technically lost his career after The Whiz, like

608
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 4: after batting out the Park with like Dark Day Afternoon

609
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 4: was the one. Yeah, all these other films that he did,

610
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 4: I think he did Cerpaco and The Wiz was seen

611
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 4: as a failure now, you know. And I also have

612
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 4: issues with how black films are judged by non black critics.

613
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, by higher level.

614
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 4: So I know that there is also points off of

615
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 4: that of just crulturally not understanding a tony.

616
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 5: I mean, what are we talking about it?

617
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 3: I know, but the Whiz is a hard sell now.

618
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 3: Recently watching it, it's a heart cell.

619
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 4: Recently watching it, I realized what Jill was saying, like,

620
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 4: oh man, there's a lot of The Whiz could also

621
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 4: be like a self esteem motivational package because I saw

622
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 4: it in a whole different light now post therapy, life

623
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 4: coach and that stuff.

624
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 3: And then I was like, oh, okay, I see the

625
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 3: lessons alive.

626
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 5: You're standing stroll, Steve.

627
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen I saw The Wiz and I

628
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 3: saw the sequel, Whiz Wit. Wait what I thought that

629
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 3: joke would do better? I don't say there's a try

630
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 3: to keep up the Wiz reloaded.

631
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: I wanted another one. I really I still want another one,

632
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: but it couldn't.

633
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 7: Okay, So what's the second what's this plot line of

634
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 7: the Wiz? What's the second? What would be the next

635
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 7: the sequel in the Wiz? Like, what's the storyline?

636
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: It would have to be a lost Dorothy. A lost

637
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: Dorothy meaning she doesn't know who she is or how

638
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: to be. She's trapped in a world where she's uh,

639
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, weaved out and uh contacted and.

640
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 3: Wow what it may be.

641
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: But I think I think there's a lot of like

642
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: that going.

643
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: On Black version of Wicked, just like they have it now.

644
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: You know. I love Wicked because it was so good.

645
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 7: The sequel to the Wizard of Oz was like, Yeah,

646
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 7: what's better the movie or the soundtrack.

647
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: For the Whiz. Yeah, I'm gonna go with the movie.

648
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 3: Because there's dancing. Aw the soundtrack doesn't make sense unless

649
00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 3: you've seen the movie.

650
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 4: And it's weird because the soundtrack is technically a story.

651
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 4: It's a movie without visuals, which is why I think

652
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 4: it was a hard sell for Jill to get a

653
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 4: bunch of third kids.

654
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: Third and fourth grade class home homer.

655
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 3: Teachers for them, No, I was a student, Okay, Yeah,

656
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: they booed.

657
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 5: Live anywhere. Y'all think home can live anywhere?

658
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what does that mean?

659
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 5: What does home mean of the song?

660
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the song, Oh yeah, anywhere, anytime, anybody.

661
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't want to see. I wouldn't want to

662
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: see like pop stars sing it. I wouldn't want to see.

663
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: I would like to see, like, grab some folks out

664
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: of Juilliard, you know, and have them portray these incredible

665
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: people to make it stick to so it has ribs,

666
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, not just you know, fancy characters. I don't

667
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: want to see that. I would like to. I would

668
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: like Dorothy to have guts. I would like her to

669
00:37:59,239 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: be afraid.

670
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 4: What was it like for you to perform the in

671
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 4: front of Michael Jackson at the thirtieth anniversary performance?

672
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 3: Or was that just a weird experience altogether?

673
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: It was a very strange experience. I got there and it, honestly,

674
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: it felt like nobody was there about before Michael Jackson,

675
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: no one, And that bothered me a lot because I

676
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: had turned down a role with Denzel Washington to be

677
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: there because I really really wanted to honor Michael Jackson,

678
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: and I was doing the Wiz so it meant a

679
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: lot to me, and I got there and it just

680
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: felt like nobody was about it, like nobody was really

681
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: there to honor him. And I remember getting on stage

682
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 1: and now they've added other people to this performance, which

683
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: really frustrated me. Too great artists, but I just that's

684
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: not what I had in mind. And anyway, long story

685
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: short idea was to do what Too's do. You can't win,

686
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: to have a scare crows, the whole thing, the dancing.

687
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: I think they had Fatima on board at the time

688
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: to choreograph the thing. I wanted to present him the whiz,

689
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: you know, the way that he did it as best

690
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: as I could with all of my heart. And uh,

691
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: that didn't work out. They kept adding other people and

692
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: then added something from the Wizard of Oz to honor

693
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: e Liza Minelli, who was his homegirl, and I was like,

694
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: what the fuck? And I got on stage and I

695
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: looked to the left and there was Michael Jackson. He

696
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: he was paper white. It wasn't like it wasn't any

697
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: kind of human white.

698
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: He was.

699
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: He was paper white. And I didn't want to look anymore.

700
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: I was like trying to hold back tears doing the

701
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: performance because he was sitting Liza uh not E, Liza Manlly,

702
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: Liz Taylor was sitting on one side of him, and

703
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: Macaulay Coughtin was sitting on the other. He didn't he

704
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,479
Speaker 1: just didn't even look like a person. He was there.

705
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: But when I tell you that color was not a

706
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: people color, it just it was. It hurt me. It

707
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: hurt me. And I get off stage and I'm all upset.

708
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: I'm so upset and everybody's so happy. I feels crazy.

709
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: When you're in the midst of this business and something

710
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: impacts you in a way, you know you're, yeah, in

711
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: the midst of it. Like so, I get off stage

712
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: and everybody's celebrating and how great that was, and I

713
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: can't even hear them. And then I turn my head

714
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: and there's Bobby Brown and Whitney Houston and why Bobby,

715
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: I mean Whitney Houston, God rest her soul walks over

716
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to get myself together and I look

717
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: down and all I could think was that her her

718
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: knees were bigger than her thighs. My heart is racing,

719
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: and I just I cried the rest of the night.

720
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: I just I just could not stop crying. I could

721
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: not get myself together because these are people that I

722
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: admired and respected and wanted them to be okay, you know,

723
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: I wanted them to be healthy and thrive, and they

724
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: just weren't. They just they just weren't. What year was

725
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: this two thousand and one and the next day was

726
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: nine eleven, the next day was nine eleven.

727
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 3: Because I know that there were I don't know, I

728
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 3: only had.

729
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: I did one and then I saw it. It was

730
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: on TV one night years later, and I wasn't even

731
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: in it, and I was.

732
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 5: Like, did you ever get to circle back? And like,

733
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 5: did you ever speak with him? Did you ever get

734
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 5: to have contact with Michael?

735
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 1: I just talked to him on the phone. He called

736
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: me one time to say that he liked me, and

737
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, that was it. I was on tour and uh,

738
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: he just called to say that he liked me and

739
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: he was going to send me a hat that I

740
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: never got. Mhm, oh yeah, I didn't. I didn't like

741
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: that Michael Jackson thing. I know you don't know. I'm

742
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: you've had.

743
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 8: You must have had quite a few moments of like

744
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 8: those industry clarity moments. I know Fonte has them all

745
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 8: the time too. When you just like, this is where

746
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 8: I wanted to be.

747
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 3: Man, you mean as far as diminist returns are concerned.

748
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean reality of this reality?

749
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 3: So how long is it before it kicks into you?

750
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 4: Now? I got into an unfortunate place where the only

751
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 4: way that I could navigate my way through those disappointments

752
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 4: was to then lower myself and lower my spirit to

753
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 4: a place where I constantly.

754
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: Just came in itself to be disappointed exactly, which.

755
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 4: Is really putting a band aid over a bullet wound

756
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 4: because it might help cope with that moment, but in

757
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 4: the long run, that didn't service like my soul or

758
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 4: my being and enjoying life and that sort of thing,

759
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 4: because then, I mean, you do that for ten years

760
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 4: and then you become cynical, and then you become evil,

761
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 4: and then you become I mean it's just levels of

762
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 4: low self esteem and all that stuff. So I mean,

763
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 4: how long was it until, like, for you, was there

764
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 4: ever a point where you're just like, oh, all my

765
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 4: idols might disappoint me, or let me not meet them,

766
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 4: and let me not take this phone call or have

767
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 4: this lunch with this person. You know, I didn't even

768
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 4: know you could have access to Michael Jackson. I'm like,

769
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 4: wait a minute, you had Prince. Yeah, yeah, but meeting

770
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 4: him was a very big be careful for what you

771
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 4: ask for it because I meant, I'm not saying it

772
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 4: wasn't idea. I mean we had great moments where it

773
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 4: was fun and it was like everything I dreamed about

774
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 4: playing with my idol.

775
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: But there were a lot of I mean you've seen

776
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 3: that stuff.

777
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 4: There are a lot of moments that were like, ah, man,

778
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 4: it was better off in my head, the idea in

779
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 4: my head of Prince than what I got dealt with.

780
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: There are a couple of things. One is I'm really

781
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: grateful that I grew up as a jehovah'switness. I had

782
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: posters of New Addition on my wall. I loved them.

783
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: I talked to them my grandmother. I came home one

784
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: day and my grandmother took all my posters down and

785
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: she said, you're idolizing these boys. And I was like, no,

786
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm not, No, I'm not. And She's like, you're in

787
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 1: there talking to them and telling them how you feel.

788
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: They're they're people. No man is above you and no

789
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: man is beneath you. I was devastating I didn't like

790
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: my grandmother for a long time.

791
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: That's really shit. Yeah, they cost you.

792
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: This is the shits of it all. You have these

793
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: dreams and you have these ideas of what the world

794
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: is supposed to be like, and it is what it is.

795
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: So what do I do? I take the good wherever

796
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: I can find it, and I hold on to that

797
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: as hard as I can. That's all I can do.

798
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: The rest. I see it for what it is, and

799
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: you know, I'll oh forgive it for because it's whack.

800
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: You know, I'll just forgive it because just cousin, keep pushing.

801
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: There's no need to hold on to that. Shit is

802
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: disturbing and disappointing.

803
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 7: But you know, has there been times in your career

804
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 7: where it may have been someone that you met, like

805
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 7: a younger artist or just anyone where you think you

806
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 7: may have came across the wrong way to them and

807
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 7: kind of in the disappointment of them and you had

808
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 7: to kind of go back and clear up and be like, yo,

809
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 7: I didn't really mean it that way, or whatever, like,

810
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 7: have you ever found yourself on that side of the transaction.

811
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: I'm certain, I'm certain because I'm not you know, perfect,

812
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm certain that they caught me in the middle of

813
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: something and I'm trying to deal, just to deal. I remember,

814
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: this is a you know, an advanced artist. But I

815
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: saw Sha Ka Khan. I was so excited. I was like,

816
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: oh my god, you're so beautiful, your peace. I just

817
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: love you so much. And I were at the Grammys.

818
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 1: I think I won that time. So I'm walking around like, oh, ship,

819
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, I want to write shoes. I wore flip flops,

820
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: you know, don't hurt, so my personality is good, you know,

821
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. And one of her folks comes over

822
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 1: to me and they're like, miss miss Khan is upset

823
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: with you. I said, miss Khan, who this a Shakaka.

824
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: Is upset with me?

825
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: So I don't know, but I'm going over there to

826
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: find out because it's Shaka Khana and I love her.

827
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: So I go over there and she was like, you

828
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: called me a beast.

829
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: And I was like, wow, I'm glad.

830
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that I had the good sense to

831
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: go over there. We laughed hysterically. I was like, you

832
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: know what, but.

833
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 5: Whatever, Like, who got the gall to say that? Ship

834
00:46:59,880 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 5: to you?

835
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 3: Ms com for real?

836
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: And me me, you know, how could I call? I

837
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: was like, Oh my god, this is this is crazy

838
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: but very funny. These things happen.

839
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 4: These things happen, Jill, what are the what are the

840
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 4: beginning steps that starts with you getting your record deal?

841
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, First of all, can you clear up something?

842
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 3: I'll try What was is Hidden Beach Michael Jordan's label?

843
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 4: And I'm only asking this because I'm so obsessed with

844
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 4: the ESPN thirty for thirty Michael Jordan's.

845
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 3: Last dance documentary thing? Yeah I was. I think I

846
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 3: was told that Hidden Beach was his label or something

847
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 3: like like, what is what was Hidden Beach?

848
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 9: Well?

849
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: Hidden Beach Steve m Michael Jordan's invested.

850
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so here's this.

851
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: Was I think, like the major investor in the face.

852
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 4: Of At the time, I didn't know if if Steve

853
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 4: or Michael, if Michael like started the label and then

854
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 4: had him running or whatever.

855
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: No, but it was it was incredible to be around him,

856
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: and uh, he certainly put me in really nice rooms. Sure, yeah, yeah,

857
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: he kind of liked me a little bit, and I

858
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: was glad I got a chance to see some things

859
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: and taste some things I didn't know existed. I was like,

860
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: what is this you say, don't.

861
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 7: Yeah, one of my buddies of mine, a buddy mine

862
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 7: from down here, Charles Whitfield. He was around at that time.

863
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 7: And yeah, I've heard a lot of those stories, the

864
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 7: m J stories.

865
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: A while, went to parties, he was parties all that

866
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: it was.

867
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 5: It was great.

868
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: I don't know bulet. You're gonna tell me.

869
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 3: What the bulet?

870
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 5: The bulet is the black scal.

871
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 3: Bones and bones and you know, like Illuminati.

872
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, the black called the Bulet.

873
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: Didn't want me.

874
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 5: Okay, they didn't want me. They were like they recruiting

875
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 5: one of my DC friends.

876
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: Bill.

877
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 5: That's not for you to know, my friend, clearly.

878
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: Thank you. You don't know what, Bill, I don't want

879
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 3: to join society.

880
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 5: It's the black, the black skulling.

881
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: Black skull boats.

882
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: Okay, they never wanted me.

883
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 3: Ever, I didn't get for I didn't give my bulet.

884
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 3: I mean, it's real quiet because it's in it, lit

885
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: be in it. Tell us Ji, So you've known Amir

886
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 3: for a long time, longer than you know of us.

887
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 3: Have God? You see him evolve? Who was the who

888
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 3: was the person you met?

889
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 8: You know?

890
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 3: Twenty this question? She's next? How have you seen wow.

891
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 5: Okay, in the.

892
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: In the beginning, he was so quiet. He hardly ever

893
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: said anything to me. He barely ever looked me in

894
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 1: the face. And you in my line, you would hardly

895
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: ever looked me in the face. And I was coming

896
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,479
Speaker 1: and I was give me a hug, give me a hug.

897
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: And I had to you know, like, actually.

898
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 5: Years ago were more lovely than you were.

899
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 1: Rich was a lovey I want to you know, do

900
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: you remember you had played? I was on the road

901
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: with you guys. You had played or something, and you

902
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: were really tired. And I was like, well, let me

903
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: massage your ankles. Do you remember this? And I came

904
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: to your room and massaged your ankles and you fell asleep.

905
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 3: That's my jail.

906
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 5: By the way, we were like, I don't even let

907
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 5: my fucker see my ankles.

908
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 3: He's very sexy.

909
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: He allowed me that time and he rested, and which

910
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: is what I hope for. He seems so stressed and tired,

911
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: and I was like, jail, the ankles is rare.

912
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 8: Amir did not rest, So that was a big right, Okay,

913
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 8: I have.

914
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: Massaged a lot of people in this lifetime.

915
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 5: Just that's your game, Ji.

916
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 3: I wish I remembered this.

917
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: It's just like you forgot.

918
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 3: I think I can help.

919
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: It's not the great I just think I can help.

920
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 4: Wait wait wait sie side note because wait, wait, side note,

921
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 4: because the first time that Erica tells the story of

922
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 4: didn't you know she said the same thing about Dylan

923
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 4: and I hit him. I'm like, wait a minute, you

924
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 4: had a massage by Eric Abadu when you was making

925
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 4: She was massaging him as he was cutting up, chopping

926
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 4: up the sample turka blue sample. He's like, I don't

927
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 4: remember it happening like that dog it was.

928
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't anything but sweetness. It was good and.

929
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 8: Good.

930
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 4: I'm probably the happiest place in my life right now. Uh, Jill,

931
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 4: So that look you, thank you.

932
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

933
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 10: Take that on paid bill shot a sweats your ward.

934
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 10: Motherfucker though, So now that.

935
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 8: We did all the soft and can I just ask

936
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 8: because the story because I know that Jill ended up

937
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 8: on tour singer you got me, But how did we

938
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 8: get to the point of the different vocalist?

939
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 5: And then I want to know?

940
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 3: Okay, so you get to play on the verses. Here's

941
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 3: the deal.

942
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I want to hear yours.

943
00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 4: Here's so what I remember was Joe and I had

944
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 4: a lunch date. And do you remember us going to

945
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 4: Copas two on South Street.

946
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Jill.

947
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 4: Jill is one of six people whose demo I actually

948
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 4: listened to and actually liked, like envy that it wasn't mine.

949
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 3: The other and I've said the story before.

950
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 4: The other acts were blow Slim Village, little Brother, Jill Scott,

951
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 4: Georgia m Maldreau.

952
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 5: She's been around along that.

953
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 3: Jay Davy. No, I heard it.

954
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: I never let you forget. He told me I would

955
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: never sell a record.

956
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 3: No no, no, no no no no no no no

957
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 3: no no no no no no no no no no

958
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 3: no I forgot. I forgot. I forgot. I forgot. First

959
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 3: of all, this is me? That is me? Is that

960
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 3: sounding me? Or that's selling Rich Nichols?

961
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: That was you?

962
00:53:55,640 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 3: It sounds like you, Steve Wow, you did. Wait, Jill,

963
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 3: you brought this up.

964
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 4: Before you brought this up. You brought this up for

965
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 4: and I and I have issue with this. I don't

966
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 4: think I ever said that.

967
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 3: Alternate fact.

968
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 4: No, listen, I remember sitting at the table you handed

969
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 4: me your your your discmand Yes, it.

970
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 3: Was nineteen ninety eight.

971
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: I still have that by the way, and.

972
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 4: I remember first, I was like, wait a minute, there's

973
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 4: someone else in Philadelphia making music. First of all, I

974
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 4: was envious to the tracks because I didn't know.

975
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 5: You are skating around this one song. I'm just trying

976
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 5: to get there.

977
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no no, I'm gonna get to that.

978
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 3: But this starts at Copas. It starts at Copas. And

979
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 3: she said that. I said, that's never I don't think

980
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 3: that ever. Like Joe Biden.

981
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 4: Right now, I'm the king, Jill, I'm the king of

982
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 4: my thoughts and my words, being on the opposite sides

983
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 4: of the town. But I don't think there's ever a

984
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 4: time in life in which I was not your biggest fan.

985
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 4: So why is it not her A I'm just just

986
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get to that. I'm gonna get to that.

987
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get to that. Okay, but Jill, no, no, no,

988
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 4: But Jill has always said that. In the beginning, I

989
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 4: wasn't fully supportive and I said that she would never

990
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 4: sell anything, only because I don't think that I thought that,

991
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 4: or maybe I just thought like, oh, this is so

992
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 4: good that maybe mainstream, Yeah, I could see that that

993
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 4: mainstream audience won't get this but I was instantly in

994
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 4: love with it. I've heard this story about baduism. I

995
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 4: haven't heard it about Jill.

996
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 1: Damn.

997
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 5: You told her she wouldn't make it without you.

998
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no no. What I heard what

999
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 3: you saying?

1000
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 7: I've read in the magazine. It was I think it

1001
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 7: was vibe or something. You heard a boy the wism

1002
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 7: and you were like, yo, I like it, but will

1003
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 7: you know the hood get it?

1004
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 3: We'll just right.

1005
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 4: I think the things that I love isn't necessarily palatable

1006
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:17,720
Speaker 4: to mainstream America.

1007
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: And I was wrong.

1008
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 3: So maybe that's what I was trying to say, but

1009
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 3: I in no way was I not.

1010
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 4: I want to I want to repaint this history between

1011
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 4: you and I, Jill Scott, and saving the record that

1012
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,959
Speaker 4: I was your I mean, if I took a lunch

1013
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 4: date with you about your music. I've never invited no

1014
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 4: one to the studio but you, and that includes D'Angelo

1015
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 4: and Erica and anyone else I've worked with. You're literally

1016
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 4: the lone human being.

1017
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 3: Agelo, he just didn't show up left and so all right,

1018
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 3: now you know I heard that quote. I was listening

1019
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 3: to that quote.

1020
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 4: It's an inside joke, all right. So now for Liea's story.

1021
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 4: All right, So the story you got me is I

1022
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 4: hear it and instantly know that this is going to

1023
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 4: change my life. I run downstairs from Joe Tarcia's room

1024
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 4: where Scott's playing it for me. Me, Scott and Rich

1025
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 4: are listen to the results of him and Jill and

1026
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 4: we're like, that's the one. And instantly I told Scott

1027
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 4: stop playing it because I don't want Rich getting demo.

1028
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 3: As we ran downstairs, I did it.

1029
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 4: So the German bass argument was probably like a three

1030
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 4: day thing, and I was like, okay, great, I'll just

1031
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 4: do it the regular way.

1032
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 3: I won't put any fancy, spancy things on it, and

1033
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 3: I'll do it. We do the song.

1034
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 7: It's fucking awesome. So we go to New York and

1035
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 7: this is what reek'svocals on and everything is done and done?

1036
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 3: Or is it just the best? You know what I think?

1037
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 4: I think he struggled with the last verse, so I know,

1038
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 4: all right, So we have other issues going on.

1039
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 3: Oh okay, all right, So here's the deal.

1040
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 4: Communication in the Roots banned in the nineteen ninety nine

1041
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 4: wasn't too.

1042
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 3: Much all motherfuckers. Why we know communication?

1043
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 4: There's something that you guys don't know communication and the

1044
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 4: roots band. He isn't two ideas. So here's the all right,

1045
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 4: so snack number one and you got me okay number one.

1046
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 4: I mean we've we've made it very public. Malik's codependency

1047
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 4: problems now becoming a major problem for the band. There

1048
00:58:54,800 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 4: have been situations of fights and money and all this stuff,

1049
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 4: and it's sort of like, well, is he or isn't he?

1050
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 3: What's he doing? Is he drinking too much? Da da

1051
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 3: da da?

1052
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 4: And then you see valves of white powder and shit,

1053
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 4: and so we're dealing with that type of drama. So

1054
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 4: something happens that gets us kicked out of Sigma because

1055
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 4: of Malik. So now Vocal Vocal headquarters are now at

1056
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 4: Larry Golds at the studio. So problem number one is

1057
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 4: we're not all in the same place at the same time,

1058
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 4: working and interacting.

1059
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 3: So now it's like a factory.

1060
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 4: Joe Tarci still likes me because of his history with

1061
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 4: my father, so it's sort of like a mirror. You

1062
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 4: can stay, but you know, Malick and all his running

1063
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 4: buddies and all that stuff. They gotta do, right. So

1064
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 4: all music's being tracked at Sigma and then we send

1065
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 4: them to seventh and Cala Hill to the studio to

1066
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 4: be recorded. So while that's happening, there's also a third

1067
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 4: factor is mixing, So between mixing with the Axual NEOs

1068
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 4: and Bob Power. So in the morning I'm tracking and

1069
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 4: then the evening I'm mixing in New York. Suddenly I'm

1070
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 4: getting these tapes and I'm hearing this girl like wait,

1071
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 4: and I'm calling Rich like wait, who's this female voice

1072
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 4: on track fourteen doing ad libs?

1073
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 3: And he was like, you know that girl, Eve, that's her?

1074
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 3: And so I'm like, oh, man, come on, oh even.

1075
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 5: Have a part in the Eve party.

1076
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: It was I didn't know she was. That's ke.

1077
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 4: No, that was Rique em Mail and and comeal And

1078
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 4: I mean, look by this point and we're we're totally

1079
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 4: skipping over like the jam sessions that are happening at

1080
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 4: the house and everyone being at the house. So Jill's

1081
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 4: a presence, Jaguars a presence, the Jazzy fan Nazis are

1082
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 4: a presence, News a presence. Uh occasionally, you know, ten

1083
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 4: year old Jasmine Sullivan's a present And at some point

1084
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 4: then suddenly it's like okay, Eve. And at the time,

1085
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 4: you know, it was like her and her girlfriends that

1086
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 4: she was stripping with or whatever, like they come to

1087
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 4: the crib.

1088
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 3: Malex bringing over these dudes. I don't know.

1089
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 4: They putting a ship out of my carpet. I mean

1090
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,919
Speaker 4: Beanie and and bean and yeah, Chris and Nathan those guys.

1091
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 4: But I don't know them from a cannapign They're putting

1092
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 4: it out of my carpet. So I started hating the

1093
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 4: jam sessions. So once it hit me, wait, wait, this

1094
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 4: is this is the stripper joint, like the joint with

1095
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 4: the short hair that's on this record, and Rich was

1096
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 4: like yeah, And now I'm like, oh man, we're about

1097
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 4: to do that, like come to the studio and I'm like,

1098
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 4: this is this is like I don't know how I

1099
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 4: feel about Like, no one had a meeting with me

1100
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 4: about people on the record, So that's where communications started

1101
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 4: getting bad. So that was ain't saying nothing new. So

1102
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 4: it's like, okay, I'll put her ad libs down because

1103
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 4: I'm just like, who, no one had a conversation with

1104
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 4: me about it, so you got me time.

1105
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 3: Now I'm like, wait a minute, who's this wronging on

1106
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 3: the thing.

1107
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 4: And it was the same situation and I was just

1108
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 4: like yo, like y'all just putting people on this record

1109
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 4: and not saying shit like this is our hit, Like

1110
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 4: now we got we already have a voice on here,

1111
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 4: and now what now another person is doing around like

1112
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 4: this is our one chance to.

1113
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 11: Hit this ball out the park? There can only be

1114
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 11: one unknown and now there's like four entities and like

1115
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 11: what do we do? So that shit caused like a

1116
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 11: three week debate argument whatever.

1117
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 4: So we get the song done, we're playing, we're playing

1118
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 4: it for MCA, and now they're like, Okay, we believe

1119
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 4: in the song, but you know, the girl sings good, but.

1120
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 3: We feel like you should have a name to really

1121
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 3: do that. And we're like no, like this, she's killing

1122
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 3: this ship. She's killing this ship. So then it.

1123
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 4: Became a group meeting of like you got me just

1124
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 4: started to be a nightmare to deal with. Tarik didn't

1125
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 4: have a third verse. Now it's like, wait, so now

1126
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 4: we gotta or who's gonna tell Jill?

1127
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 3: Who told you Jill?

1128
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 9: No one bitch, No, nobody told me. Wow, nobody told me.

1129
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 3: Guys, mumpet new flash communication.

1130
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 4: It wasn't the best. Wait wait, I want to I

1131
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 4: want to make an announcement. I want to make an announcement.

1132
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 4: Communication was never the strong point, and it wasn't even

1133
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 4: like a mean spirited thing.

1134
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,439
Speaker 3: It was more just like he'll do it, or he'll

1135
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 3: do it, or I got other ship to worry about.

1136
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 5: Asked Jill when she heard it.

1137
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 3: I remember, all right, I'm just saying that.

1138
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 4: Really, their logic was like, yo, you know, I've heard

1139
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 4: stories of like, well she wasn't marketable, da da da da.

1140
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 4: This to them it was like this is, yeah, she

1141
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 4: sings great, but she's unknown and burn a hand beats

1142
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 4: two in the push and Eric Abatu said yes, and

1143
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 4: you gotta do it. And then me and Bob Power

1144
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 4: and Tarique we flew to Dallas, which at that point

1145
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 4: she was literally it was still I think we did.

1146
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 4: You got me maybe early ninety eight, because I know

1147
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 4: that Dre three thousand. When we got to the studio,

1148
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 4: Erica just finished whatever she was singing on Outcast's Liberation,

1149
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 4: so a quim and I wasn't out yet, so I

1150
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 4: feel like this is early ninety eight, We get there,

1151
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 4: we do it. It was cool, but I didn't have

1152
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,439
Speaker 4: the fire in my soul that I felt with Jill's version.

1153
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 4: At one point midway Erica stopped and said, yo, her

1154
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 4: version is jamming, Yo, Like, why don't y'all just use

1155
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 4: her version? And I was about to agree, and Rich

1156
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 4: was like, you know, Rich's whole thing is like, look,

1157
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 4: let's let's say be it like just attempted a few

1158
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 4: times and revenue you don't work with it. If it

1159
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:16,439
Speaker 4: doesn't work, then da da da da da. But knowing

1160
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 4: good and well, like I'm not leaving here without without

1161
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 4: your vocal, without this version, because I was ready to

1162
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 4: give it and it was to.

1163
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 5: Play it a mir amir? Who gets to play it

1164
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 5: this week? Who should get to play it this week?

1165
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 5: On versus?

1166
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 3: First of all, will this episode even be?

1167
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 8: It does not matter, people will still want to know.

1168
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 8: I just need to This is after this just yes,

1169
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 8: this would be afterwards. But still who gets who gets

1170
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 8: the right to put.

1171
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 4: Well, there's two versions of You Got Me? So Erica

1172
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 4: can play her version from Being's small part and from

1173
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 4: bell part. Say I say, I would say.

1174
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 8: It's because you did opera jazz blues, No anybody, that's

1175
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 8: a whole Olympics long it is.

1176
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 4: Jill's version of You Got Me is also when the

1177
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 4: Things fall apart in twentieth anniversary real it is.

1178
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 3: I think that's rather cute.

1179
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 7: Go ahead, I was gonna say. I think two things. One,

1180
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 7: I think Jill should get to play it because she

1181
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 7: wrote it. Two, I would like to offer my hot

1182
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 7: take the complexity. Complexity is a far better song than

1183
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 7: You Got Me.

1184
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 3: That's just me. Let's just start.

1185
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 7: That's complexity because I must give Jill props for complexity

1186
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 7: because complexity is a very hard word to sing, and

1187
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 7: you would not said it that so well. And yeah,

1188
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 7: complexity is my joint. That's like my favorite roots Jill joint.

1189
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 7: I love that fucking song.

1190
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 3: You know what's weird? We knock that often, like fifteen minutes.

1191
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 4: I remember it's knocking out very quickly and me actually

1192
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 4: thinking like wow, this was not the like thank god,

1193
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 4: this wasn't the drama that you got me?

1194
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 1: Was was there lyrics to Complexity?

1195
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 9: When I came in.

1196
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't remember, no, but.

1197
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 3: It just hit me. It just hit me.

1198
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 4: You were one of the fourteen for the you Oh

1199
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 4: my god, we did you know what? Complexity was so

1200
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 4: easy it made me forget the drama that was that

1201
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 4: you got me or now you got me to break

1202
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 4: you off?

1203
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 3: To break off?

1204
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 4: Remember that and you know what's weird, e this is

1205
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 4: so weird to say this on the air. Jill, you

1206
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 4: wrote that bridge break You Off? I forgot she wrote that.

1207
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 5: Did she get that credit?

1208
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 4: That's what I'm thinking about that right now, Like wait

1209
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 4: a minute, now is your time for all apologies that

1210
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 4: you have to.

1211
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 3: Wait?

1212
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 4: I get to Actually I could do a whole episode

1213
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 4: alone on the drama that was break you Off. By

1214
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 4: the time it got to Jill, it wasn't even break

1215
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,919
Speaker 4: you Off. It was magic Foster whatever.

1216
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 3: It was your your metaphor magic false magic. Wait, Jill,

1217
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 3: you don't remember it.

1218
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 5: Like it's like an old Jill Scott poem.

1219
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 3: Okay, so you know the second part, you know the

1220
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 3: second part that the second part.

1221
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 4: Of the song that music sings by, right, he changed

1222
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 4: the words, but that was that was Jill's course, and

1223
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 4: it was like it was it was some sort of metaphorical,

1224
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 4: uh definition of whatever, like i'll you know, I'll stroke

1225
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 4: something and then your possible turned.

1226
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 1: You know, I wrote that.

1227
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 4: Well, the only part they kept was the baby, baby baby,

1228
01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 4: and then your words were different.

1229
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 5: Oh, but I think I think carbon that sounds foreign

1230
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 5: to you, Jo.

1231
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: I think magic Fawcett elementary.

1232
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 4: No You You Break You Off started with weird enough

1233
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 4: Keky Wyatt to read, all right, who's who's the guy

1234
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 4: that invented the King of Comedy? Uh no, no no,

1235
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,799
Speaker 4: but uh the guy that that promoted the other black

1236
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 4: ste Marveys, not bi Al Hayman, but whoever that guy

1237
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 4: is that I meant he's the Will Packard of kind of.

1238
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:47,799
Speaker 3: For the comedy.

1239
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 4: He's the reason why Harvey, Steve Harvey and Mack and

1240
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 4: and all those et ceterac. The entertainers are the stars

1241
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 4: they are now. He's the one that threw the Kings

1242
01:09:56,520 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 4: of comedy that Spike shot. He had an idea, yeah,

1243
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 4: to have a black SNL and we shot that, uh

1244
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 4: that pilot in two thousand and one, and it was

1245
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 4: like the Roots were the house band.

1246
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 3: Think of SNL.

1247
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 4: We shot a blown up with earthquake and whoever the

1248
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,719
Speaker 4: black comedians were that were popping at the time shot

1249
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 4: this thing, and the Roots were the house band, and

1250
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 4: Kiki Whatt and Music were sitting in with us and

1251
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,719
Speaker 4: just fucking around. That's how it Break You Off gets birthed.

1252
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 4: And it was like, hey, that song we didn't sound check.

1253
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 4: That was pretty cool and let's let's do it. And

1254
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 4: so then it went for music to I think Alicia

1255
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 4: had showed us up seven times, and then Joe Lavert

1256
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 4: did his version, who he technically did the best version.

1257
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 12: I want to Jill wrote it, and then that didn't

1258
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 12: work out, and then I think, yep, that was my plan.

1259
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: That plan was also Frankie Beverly. No no, no, no no,

1260
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: I had three George Benson Gerald over Frankie Beverly. I

1261
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 1: don't know.

1262
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 5: That was when I was twelve.

1263
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 1: That was my list.

1264
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 3: Twelve and that mustache. Okay, yeah, maybe I don't really

1265
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 3: do mature old fast.

1266
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,720
Speaker 1: I thought he was fabulous because I.

1267
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 3: Wasn't twelve years old thing about fucking Aretha Franklin when

1268
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 3: I was right, right right, yeah, but yeah, that song

1269
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 3: went around the world.

1270
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 4: Then then it went to Blow's version was the most

1271
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 4: curious because he was crying on his version, like.

1272
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 3: And then somehow just wound up back to break you off.

1273
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's so by the time all that was

1274
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 4: done then, yeah, complexity was done in like ten minutes.

1275
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 3: So I love that song. I love that song.

1276
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: I like it when it's it's easy like that, when

1277
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,719
Speaker 1: it's you don't even think about it. It's just happening.

1278
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: That's so fun, and then you go on to the

1279
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:08,560
Speaker 1: next thing. So how did I hear about it? I

1280
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 1: was on twenty second Street. I was in North Philly.

1281
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 1: I think I think I was probably headed to my

1282
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 1: theater job. I don't know, I'm not sure, probably, and

1283
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: it was coming out of one of the hair beauty

1284
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: supply places. It was on you know how the wa

1285
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: It was on the radio when I heard when she heard,

1286
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 1: she heard the radio when I heard it for the

1287
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: first we.

1288
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 3: Are horrible, we trash. Wait wait, she's still.

1289
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 5: We played the record on the radio, Wait, no, No,

1290
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 5: on the agame.

1291
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: Out of the stores on twenty second Street. I was

1292
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 1: coming to getting probably a perm or something, and I

1293
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: was walking from the beauty supply place. It was coming

1294
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 1: out of every store and I heard the beginning, and

1295
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: I got all excited, and I was like, oh shit,

1296
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: my inner you know, my inner self, I'm just so

1297
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: pleased and nobody knows. And I was like, oh God,

1298
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: and even when it comes on, nobody's gonna know it's me.

1299
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. And then I heard a voice that

1300
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 1: was not my own, and I was like, that's Erica

1301
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: and I'm looking. There's nobody to talk to. I don't

1302
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: know any you know, I don't know anybody. I can't

1303
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: share this story with anybody yet. I mean, I were

1304
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: cell phones. I just think. I think. I just walked

1305
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 1: to the end of the block. And by the time

1306
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,759
Speaker 1: I got there, I was like, Eric abad is singing

1307
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 1: my song. Okay, song no no, I as a writer

1308
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: to go from zip to a Grammy Award winning singer

1309
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 1: singing your song like I was like, I'm in, I'm in.

1310
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: I can't even deny that. And then you guys were, well,

1311
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,640
Speaker 1: let's take her on the road. And then I had

1312
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 1: that horrible lawyer who tried to gank y'all for all

1313
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: of this money. It was horrible. Luckily we were able

1314
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: to work that out. Oh it was terrible. She was

1315
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 1: just trying to bleed you dry to sing a hook

1316
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 1: to one song. I didn't do anything else but sing

1317
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: one hooks. And then you took me on the road

1318
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: and and treated me like a newbie and left me

1319
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:28,839
Speaker 1: in Paris.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 5: Wait wait, wait wait wait that came through. I don't

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Speaker 5: know if you heard that. I got what happened.

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Speaker 1: They there was a ticket at the desk for me

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Speaker 1: to go home. Luckily, Luckily, I got the ticket and

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Speaker 1: had to figure out how to get to the airport,

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Speaker 1: because you know the French, they don't like it if

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Speaker 1: you don't French. Straight out fact that I found a

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Speaker 1: way to get to the airport through the airport. At

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Speaker 1: the time, they didn't have English translation on anything in

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Speaker 1: the French airport. In the Paris airport, you.

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Speaker 5: Could.

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Speaker 1: You could left my ass in Paris, and I learned everything.

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Speaker 1: I learned everything from you. I'm gonna say I'm mayor,

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Speaker 1: but from the roots. I learned how I don't want

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Speaker 1: to travel.

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Speaker 5: I learned how I don't.

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Speaker 1: Love. I don't know about how you are now. But

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Speaker 1: they put me in a hotel that it was across

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Speaker 1: the street from their hotel. I think we were in Detroit,

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Speaker 1: and they said, your hotel is over there, and I

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Speaker 1: was like over here. They were like, yep, right across

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Speaker 1: the street.

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Speaker 6: Damn.

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Speaker 1: Clearly, the smell of cigarette smoke was so strong. When

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Speaker 1: I walked in the front door, I was like, I

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Speaker 1: gotta take a shower, or I gotta take a shower.

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Speaker 1: I'm on a bus full of dudes, I can't I

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Speaker 1: gotta take a shower.

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Speaker 5: So I go in the room and.

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Speaker 1: And it's you know how, it's when the woodworks have

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Speaker 1: been painted again and again and again. Yeah, the bad

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Speaker 1: I questioned. I was like, okay, I can't do that.

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Speaker 1: So I took all the towels and I put them

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Speaker 1: into and I showered and dried off with my clothes

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Speaker 1: and got out of there. But while I was in

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Speaker 1: the shower, I had my luggage up against the door

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Speaker 1: because on the outside they were like, I told you back,

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Speaker 1: my money just.

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Speaker 3: Sold on.

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Speaker 7: So let me understand that. So this was a hotel.

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Speaker 7: This was a motel, Like you opened the door and

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Speaker 7: it led to outside.

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Speaker 1: It led to crazy house. It was a small house

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Speaker 1: with winding steps that they called the hotel that I

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Speaker 1: think they used prostution.

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Speaker 3: That was the damn halfway house.

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Speaker 5: That's where I was staying.

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Speaker 8: Yes, samn, Yes, explains a lot, because I bet you

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Speaker 8: on that tour in Switzerland and I was like, man,

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Speaker 8: she showing short with the hello nice okay she.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, damn y'all had jill in the lack of wanna

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Speaker 3: blues house.

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Speaker 1: Guys, I feel like everybody has to have they have

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Speaker 1: to be haze to a certain degree. You have it's

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Speaker 1: a writer. It was the same way with theater. It's

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Speaker 1: the same way with this business. It's the same way

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Speaker 1: with touring. Y'all would do this, this is my favorite.

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Speaker 1: You never you didn't smoke. But the guys would be like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: me and so.

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Speaker 5: Oh is good for that? No he is, admittedly so

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Speaker 5: he don't.

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Speaker 1: It was it was everybody. The only person that was

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Speaker 1: nice to me. Kamal was nice to me, and Kamal

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Speaker 1: was nice to me, and Hub would occasionally hub.

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Speaker 5: Okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: There was a gentleman there.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Occasionally he would tell me you're doing okay and

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Speaker 1: I said okay. Other than that, that was it.

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Speaker 5: I learned so much.

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Speaker 1: I learned so much. Thank you. Did I ever tell

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Speaker 1: you thank you? Did I ever tell you?

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Speaker 3: Thank you?

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Speaker 1: So so so much my life.

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Speaker 7: I feel like if we had the sound bite of

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Speaker 7: Miss Sophia saying, woman ain't chasing a house full of men?

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Speaker 3: Damn.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the roughest tour I've ever been on, and

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Speaker 1: maintain that fro, that whole tour, that that fro was beautiful.

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Speaker 5: It made Muhammada go, wait, somebody with me.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that my barber had my hair like fevers.

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Speaker 1: It was gorgeous.

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Speaker 3: Man remember Barber's oh Man, Yeah, thank you, so Jill,

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Speaker 3: damn it.

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Speaker 5: It's okay, okay, it's okay, it's okay.

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Speaker 1: Crime I've done.

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Speaker 8: Everything happens for a reason, nothing but none of this

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Speaker 8: would have happened if not for the other thing.

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Speaker 4: So right, it's like our first real extended conversations lasted

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Speaker 4: more than an hour in our twenty years of knowing

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Speaker 4: each other.

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Speaker 3: Now, I don't understand why she ended up working with

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Speaker 3: Jesse Jail