1 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Matt Fitzpatrick said the smartest thing you can say on 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: a Sunday night, and I think he really meant it. 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: I'm not changing anything. I know what works. I'm going 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: to keep that going what works no matter what. He 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 1: now is in the same conversation as Tony Japlin for 6 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: the rest of his life. He's an Englishman who won 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: the US Open, and not only that, he wanted the 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: same place he won a US Amateur that puts from 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: the same company as Jack Nicholas. So he has had 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: He's a young man, he's had a great golfing life 11 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: already and he'll either keep it going or he won't 12 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: keep it going. He's going to be around for years. 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: Put another log on the fire nobody hears give the time. Hello, 14 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another Fire Drill podcast. This is Alan 15 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: the ship Nik. Sitting right next to me is Michael Bam. 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: We hear at the country Club in Brookline, Massachusetts. It's 17 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: Sunday evening after the US Open. Jeff Ogilvy is joining 18 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: us from Melbourne, Australia on the Internet. What the US Open? 19 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: I mean today was so much fun. I just loved 20 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: the energy of it. Great golf, big time players, Jeff, 21 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: what did you see that you liked on this this 22 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: kind of memorable show. I mean, yeah, you're right, it 23 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: was perfect on it. It was a few birdies to 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: be had, lots of lots of big names, two or 25 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: three guys who hadn't won a major. Chefla keeps showing 26 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: up even though we underestimated. No one ever picks him 27 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: at the start of the week, but he's just there 28 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: every time. And he was one part away from being 29 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: in it in the playoff. Gussie. I mean, what a 30 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: bunker shop from Fitzpatrick on the last time. Pretty impressive. Yeah, 31 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: just a great tournament. It was. It's great to have 32 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: a US Open than isn't marred by some sort of 33 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: pitching and moaning about the setup. And there was some birdies, 34 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: but there was plenty of carnage and lots of guys 35 00:01:58,720 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: had a chance. I think a lot of guys will 36 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: look back after the weekend that they had. There was 37 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: a lot of guy If you look back, a lot 38 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: of guys had a chance with two rounds to play, 39 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But Matt, I mean, if 40 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: you look back to Southern Hills, he was probably one 41 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: of the best players in the field. If not the 42 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: best player in the field, and he sort of looked 43 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: a little testy, and I even Billy looked a little 44 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: grumpy with him. Sort of towards the end of Sunday, 45 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 1: I thought, at least watching on TV, that his man 46 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: had sort of lost his way attitude wise. So I 47 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: kind of felt that he was sort of ready for 48 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: ready to go the next step. You would have learned 49 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: tons out of Southern Hills. And he came here and 50 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: got the job done, finished it off like a proper 51 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: major champion, seventeen grains. That doesn't happen very often, and 52 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: he was open. What do you think, mate? Agree with 53 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,839 Speaker 1: all of that, and agree with your sentiment. And I've 54 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: always rooted for the US open for the greatness of it, 55 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: and it's it's hurt me actually on a personal level 56 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: to see sort of the masters you surve it and 57 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about this week. And 58 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: I think you felt the same, Alan and Jeff, had 59 00:02:58,600 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: you been here, I think you would have built the 60 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: same And like for the second we got on campus, 61 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: We're like, this is what it's all about. It's so cool, 62 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: it's so intense, it's so beautiful, it's charming, and it's tough, 63 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: it's got history, it's the whole package. And I just 64 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: feel like I feel like the Usapeen elevated itself this week. 65 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: I fully agree. And you know, even even though it's 66 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: US in the summer, except when you're maybe at Pebble 67 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: or Tory, I mean, it's a hot weather tournament, but 68 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: sort of that that the coolness and the gray skies, 69 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: it felt right. I felt like she'd been wearing tweed, 70 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, like everything about you instinct that they think 71 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: back to nineteen thirteen and all all the great history 72 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: here and the old history, and it just it just 73 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: felt right, a little gloaming, and it really did. Yeah, 74 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: it felt spooky, and this place is a little spooky 75 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: and a little weird Ben Crenshaw, you know, kissing the 76 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: Green and it's got weird and spooky and it was 77 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: just neat and every way. By the way, I only 78 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: learned it trucently in thirteen. They played it in September, 79 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: so they probably had some kind of cooler weather. But yeah, 80 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: this is really what it's all about. It only sorry 81 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: Jeff was in the field. I think he would have 82 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: so appreciated the whole thing. I know indeed, Um, well, 83 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,839 Speaker 1: let's let's give our due to the champ. I mean 84 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: you said it, Jeff, that that shot out of the bunker, 85 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: and I mean Fitzpatrick was nailed all day. He was 86 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: playing so beautifully and he was just letting the club go. 87 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: I mean he just looked like he was free swinging 88 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: out there. And then really the worst shot he had 89 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: all day was probably that quick cook off eighteen t 90 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, oh, you know, we needed Johnny 91 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: Miller on the call. That's pressure, you know. And I 92 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: was like, oh, here we go him, and let's be fair. 93 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: I mean, Fitzgerald Fitzpatrick is I think over six in 94 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup. He did struggle at Southern Hills, So 95 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: you had this sense of like foreboding, like, oh, man, 96 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: is he gonna let this get away after playing so beautifully? 97 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: So what is it about a fairway bunker shot of 98 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: Jeff that is particularly challenging or maybe there's something you know, 99 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: the way you can pick the ball clean out of sand, 100 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: like talk us through the mechanics of that shot under 101 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: pressure and just how good it was. Wow, I mean 102 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: it's it's the last place you want to finish. I 103 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: think on the last while. I mean, because so much 104 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: can go wrong. I mean, look, John showed us yesterday 105 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: that you stend a little bit, you stay in the bunker. 106 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: It's you get one grain of sound between your club 107 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: and the ball, and it's not going to get to 108 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: the green. It's a very sort of low margin for 109 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: error shot. He was let off a little bit that 110 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: he kind of had to fade it. I mean, I 111 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: don't know if he's the same and everyone else is 112 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: the same, but I've always felt a fade out of 113 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: a fairway bunker is kind of what you want to do. 114 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: It's a lot easier than trying to hit a drawer. 115 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: If he'd had the same sort of draw around that 116 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: little mound, that would have been exponentially more difficult. I 117 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: would have thought, so let off there, But he was 118 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: right down on the steel and the grip on it. 119 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: He wasn't going to hit the ball fat And yeah, 120 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: great shot, incredible, You're right. He looked very free, free 121 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: all day. And his putting stroke just looks money. It 122 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: looks like if you just watch his putter, it looks 123 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: like it's a robot punting. It's just perfect. You know. 124 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: When he kept that sort of that pace. He's quite 125 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: quick for an analytical, methodical guy. He gets up to 126 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: it and goes really fast, which I really like. It's 127 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: fun to watch watch him play. And he didn't slow 128 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: down at all. And he hit that put on the 129 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: last pretty fast, hit the bunk shop pretty fast. Um. Yeah. 130 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: He looked at everything a winner all day really, and 131 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: I was interesting about him and Will coming up the 132 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: last because those two sort of I mean, I know, 133 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: if it, Matt's won a lot of times in Europe 134 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: but hasn't won over here and needed to sort of. 135 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: He's trying to win his first major. Wills trying to 136 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: win his first tournament. It's unbelievable. The majors have got 137 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: the one he's gonna hit. Looks like he's going to 138 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: get his first win, and I major Will, Um, so 139 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: I was interesting to see it just come down to 140 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: those two on the last hole and they both played 141 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: the whole last hole like Tiger and Ernie, right. It 142 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: was it was impressive. Yeah, it was neat to hear 143 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick talking about that, but you know he's a free 144 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: day taught Will too much, you know, just so and 145 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: so matched play and of course, uh Fitzpatrick where playing 146 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: match play, when he went went, when he won the 147 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: USM What what do you like about the kid? He's smart, 148 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: he's methodical, he's English, he's straight Uh. He seems like 149 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: a straightforward personality. Doesn't look like he's playing games with anybody. Hum. 150 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: And he just stood up there, you know, Will was 151 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: the field was serving him a lot. And when you 152 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: looked at that board at the turn, you know, it 153 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: wasn't like, oh this is mine to loose. It's like 154 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: anybody could win this thing. And then things changed a 155 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: little bit. But he seems like a methodical, intelligent player 156 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: that should win a US Open, like Faldo should have 157 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: won a US Open. Yeah, yeah, interesting? Can I as 158 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: Jeff a quick technical question? Always, Jeff, when you're getting 159 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: that you know those fairway bunkers. I heard this as 160 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: a kid. I've been doing ever since. But I'm bad 161 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: at a fairway bunker, So maybe I don't have the 162 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: right idea. Do you choke up as much as you 163 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: dig in? Um? I try not to dig in too much. 164 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: I try not to get too deep with my feet. 165 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: I mean it depends on the sand and it's all 166 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: every bunder South's different. That's the the fun part about bunkers, Um, 167 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: I would always choke up a lot. It depends how 168 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: it feels. And if the balls above your feet, you 169 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: choke up a lot. If it's below, you don't. I 170 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: think it's a feel thing. I think your issue is 171 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: you might need to just practice them a little bit more. 172 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: You don't do much. One doesn't generally. Generally it's not 173 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: a shot than anyone practices. And I think we're actually 174 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: very fortunate when we play on tour because we played 175 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: courses where fairway bunkers are so prominent, and we're in 176 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: them all the time. We just get natural practice by 177 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: playing on tour out of fairway bunkers. Yeah, you don't 178 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: see many of us practice him on the range. There's 179 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: very few places you can actually practice him, so you 180 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: really have to just play lots of golf and just 181 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: working out as you go along. I think with certain 182 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: swings suit it. Certain swings suit fairway bunkers. He's very 183 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: shallow on the down swing, which is going to really 184 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: help him and other swings. Other guys seemed to their 185 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: fairway bunker shops all the time, and some guys seemed 186 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: to finn him. Greg Norman was incredible out of a 187 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: fairway bunker. Yes, a lot of guys. Tiger has been great, 188 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: but it's just practiced a lot. Yeah. Yeah, Savvy was 189 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: a great bunker player, fairway bunker. But he really picked 190 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: Was he really down to the steel? I didn't pick 191 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 1: up on that? Was he that choked up? It was 192 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: pretty low. There was a lot of inches of grip 193 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: above his hands. Yeah that's cool. Yeah, it was really cool. 194 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: So it's cool to sort of sort of feel it 195 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: out on the last hole. Not rely. I mean for 196 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: a guy who's quite formulaic, I guess um he sees 197 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: does seem to play quite feel based golf. For a 198 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: guy who jots down every shot and stat he's a 199 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: stat ging analytic sort of guy. He does seem to 200 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: play a very feely based game, which is sort of 201 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: fun to watch. This is another subtle thing, but I 202 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: want your your take on this. Jeff is Fitzpatrick puts first. 203 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: He's got maybe two feet, I mean, nothing to gimme 204 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: when the US opens on the line. But um, you know, 205 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: he hold out and then let will have his his 206 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: put to tie, which sort of denied himself the glory 207 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: of rushing in the last put. And you know, the 208 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: moment and hugging the caddy like at an emotional level, 209 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: he may have he may have denied himself a once 210 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: in a lifetime opportunity, But what is the thinking there? 211 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: Just to get your put you know, get your ball 212 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: in the whole. First, it was so close, it was 213 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: not you was never going to miss that. I was 214 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: surprised he tapped it in, to be honest. Yeah, and 215 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: from a tour player's perspective, and everyone else thinks this 216 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: is ridiculous. But I was thinking he's going to stand 217 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: on his through line. You can't stand on his through line. 218 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: But then I started thinking, well that days through line 219 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: doesn't really matter because he's he's not going to win 220 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: if he doesn't make it. But I thought he was 221 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: going to stand on his line through the hole, And 222 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: then I thought, you don't tap it in because you're 223 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: not going to miss it anyway, and you're gonna have 224 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: a chance to tap at him. And the winner is 225 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: supposed to put out last right generally if you can 226 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: make it happen. But he was obviously a match play 227 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: mindset in those last couple of holes. So just get 228 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: the ball in the hole. And I don't I think 229 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: it turned out perfectly. He was standing next to Billy. 230 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 1: Billy was clearly genuinely chuffed to use a word that 231 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 1: they would use over there, just just genuine happiness that 232 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: he'd sort of finally got his major and he'd got 233 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: his man over the line that obviously had some frustrations 234 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: at Southern Hills on Sunday and stuff. And I just 235 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: think it was a nice moment that they were standing 236 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: next to each other when he won. Talk about Billy 237 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: faster than Caddy, who's been out here forever and one dozen, 238 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: does the tournaments with different players but never won a major. 239 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: What do you know about Billy? Well, one of the 240 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: funniest people on tour, one of the brightest, and probably 241 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: could be a great writer, Cup Captain. No, Joe just 242 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: actually could be a great writer, Cup Captain. I'm sure 243 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: you've been in groups of them many times, Jeff. What's 244 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: he like to be in or has he ever been 245 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: on your bag? Or what's he like in a group 246 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: If he hasn't been, I've never had him on the bag, 247 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: but I've been out with him lots and lots of times. 248 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: I mean, he's fantastic, He's a very funny man. He 249 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: could be a stand up comedian without any troubles. I 250 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: think he gives great speeches at golf clubs and always 251 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: got lots and lots of stories. Tells fantastic heavy stories, 252 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: brilliant Westwood stories and Darren Clark stories. I mean, he's 253 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: caddied for the Who. So he's basically caddied for every writer, 254 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: cup hero that Europe's ever had, you know what I mean, 255 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: He's just a legend of the game. He's say, sort 256 00:11:55,000 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: of ageless, really, I mean he was well experienced, sort 257 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: of long time caddy when I got out Onto I 258 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: went up went to Europe in ninety ninety nine and 259 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: he'd been there a long time and he was very 260 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: respected then and he's still going strong. Probably the pick 261 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: of the Europeans that you would pick if you had 262 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: if you had a European caddy to pick out of 263 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 1: the basket, you would pick Billy if you had a 264 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: chance to get him. Fantastic Keddy and and as you say, 265 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: arguably the funniest man out there. I mean, the caddy 266 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 1: is a funny people, but he's probably the king of 267 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: the bunch and has has more great story. He could 268 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: fill up ten hours of a podcast with just stories 269 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: and you'd just be begging for more. Fantastic. Yeah, that's neat. 270 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: It's actually a good idea, noted, very well noted. Yes, Uh, 271 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,599 Speaker 1: in ninety one when I carried for Peter tarvan In 272 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: in Europe, he was ninety one. That's a long time ago. 273 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: He was already catting for Sevey and Sevey was playing 274 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: good golf then. So you wouldn't have gotten that job 275 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: job in ninety one, you know, thirty plus years ago, 276 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: unless you were damned good at your job. And here 277 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: he is winning years Open, and here's two time US opened. 278 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: Andy North come through the house and we got Jef 279 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: Vogelby on the line here. Yeah, a lot of people 280 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: the US Open here, but not me and you Michael Um. 281 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: I mean that that was cute because I was I 282 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: had a perfect glimpse of it where you could see 283 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: will missus putt and Fitzpatrick didn't even react. He just 284 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: looked at Billy and you know, Billy's crying and uh, 285 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 1: you know, it was a rare moment where almost the 286 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: caddy was more refocused than the player, and it was 287 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: it was kind of cute. I think it suits Fitzpatrick out. 288 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: It's very generous of him. It was not like, Hey, 289 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,599 Speaker 1: I'm the guy, this is all about me. He was 290 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: like he was, he was happy to kind of almost 291 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: felt like to share the moment with his caddy, And yeah, 292 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: I thought that's something rut bit about him. Can we 293 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: go back that one moment about tapping. I'm so glad 294 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: you concluded with match play mentality, because that's really what 295 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: it is, you know, for those two guys coming down eighteen, 296 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:42,239 Speaker 1: it's gonna be one either gonna playoff. Basically, not necessarily, 297 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: it's either gonna playoff. Matt Fitzpatrick's gonna win this thing. 298 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: Once he's got the putt to guarantee a playoff. I 299 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 1: think he's got to make it because then all the 300 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: pressures on Will's allot towards It's like there's no other 301 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: wiggle room except where must make the putt. It's like, well, 302 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: if they don't make it, there's some freak a chance 303 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: you might miss from twenty inches. Yeah. So I think 304 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: I just think in the matchplay sense of it, with 305 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: all due respected through line, he absolutely did the right thing. 306 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: And I'm one, like you were saying, I'm one for 307 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: like on the moment, but the moment is make sure 308 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: tomorrow morning I got the trophy in the ribbon that 309 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: goes with it in the tournament. Yeah, the metal I mean, 310 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: I mean guys have mis sort putts, you know, whether 311 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: it's Scott Son of the Hills, yeah, chief and Mark Brooks, 312 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: like it does happen, You're right. So he tapped it 313 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: in off. He tapped it in off one leg. It 314 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: was a tapped in. Come on, I'm a yepper. I'm 315 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: always nervous. I'm literally nervous watching guys make short puts 316 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: because that's how bad my yipping is. Yeah, we're never 317 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: playing golf together, Jeff, it won't be well. I'm looking 318 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: forward to it. Yeah. Well, let's how it was the commentating. 319 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: Did you did you have the sound on today? Sound off? 320 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: I had to sound on. We've got the world fade 321 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: here in Australia, so we kind of bounced back and 322 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: forward from the NBA secrew to some frustrating stuff. But 323 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: it was really good. Zingers fantastic. I think in the 324 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: box he's sort of that perfect sort of blend. He's 325 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: not quite Johnny, but he says it how he sees it, 326 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: and he's a very intelligent golfer. Zinger, and you can 327 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: tell he just gets excited because that's his moment, right. 328 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: He loves that he's the closer he got to the 329 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: last hole, the more he loved it. And he's just 330 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: he's such a competitive guy. I think he's fantastic. I 331 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: think john Woods are great. He's become great at the job, 332 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's such a smart thing. They 333 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: did get Bones and John down on the side of 334 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: the fairways because it's really arguably they know more from 335 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: the side of the fairway than the player does because 336 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: they've spent their career watching golf from the side of 337 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: the player, you know, and assessing lies and watching other players. 338 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: And he's he puts together a really good thing, and yeah, 339 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: it was It's very enjoyable. I mean I miss the 340 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: old Johnny days, to be honest. I mean, yeah, I 341 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: thought Johnny I think sometimes got a bit bored of 342 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: the job towards the into the normal weeks, but he 343 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: was always just fantastic on US Open Sunday, like that 344 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: was his day of the year. Um, So I missed 345 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: that a little bit, but I think Zing is the 346 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: perfect guy to replace him. Um I'm glad we're back 347 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: on NBC. No offense to Fox. Um, but I feel 348 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: at the US Open, at least in my lifetime. I 349 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: mean I remember ABC and the rossy sort of gid 350 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: ranking days and stuff too, But um, at least in 351 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: my sort of career in lifetime, that the US Opens 352 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: feels like it belongs on NBC. And Johnny was a star, 353 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: you know, he elevated by his presence, you know. And 354 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: Johnny elevated that oh six US open that wing foot 355 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: big time. He was so perplexed by what Phil was doing. 356 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: Ben Hogan is rolling over in his grave. It's one 357 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: of the all time great calls. He's like, this better 358 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: be the forward when Phil guests a lass. Yeah, it 359 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: was not the foreward. Um, oh, it's such great stuff. 360 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: Um well, I mean you mentioned this earlier. John. There's 361 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: some players who are gonna really be kicking themselves because 362 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: in the end, Uh, the course played a little softer today. 363 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: There was there was birdies to be made. And by 364 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: the way that when I woke up this morning, I 365 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: opened my windows and I could see puddles out on 366 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: the street. I mean it was a pretty good rain 367 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: here in Brooklyn. So you know, I think if in 368 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: the absence of that, of course, would have been tougher, 369 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: and I think the USGA would have probably pushed it 370 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: a little bit more, but there's nothing you can do 371 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: when it rain. Sunday morning. It was weirdly perfect scoring conditions. 372 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: It was not what we thought it would be, and 373 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: that is one of the great beauties of an outdoor sport, 374 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: you know, to be windy and culled and it was 375 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: pleasant and still and overcast and you could see the shots. Yeah, no, 376 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: I think I think a war of attrition is fun, 377 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: but it was really felt like a shootout. I mean, 378 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: guys were hitting some incredible shots, like um that I 379 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: don't know what iron As Altorius hit on that long 380 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: part three? What is sixteen? Like? That was? That was pure? 381 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: That was I mean he had just made bogie two shots, swing, 382 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: looks like he's out of it, and he flagged it 383 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: from to twenty, got back in the fight. I mean 384 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: that was That was a big time golf shot. And 385 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: you know, if the green was brick hard, that thing 386 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: probably rolls over to the rough and it's different stories. So, um, 387 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: it's not. It is nice when when great shots are received. Yeah, 388 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: I think we can all agree with that. Yeah, some 389 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: guys who went backwards today, John Rom, Rory McIlroy. I mean, 390 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: let's just put a little bow on their weeks. As 391 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: particularly surprised with Rom. I mean he started three under 392 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: um and he was never a factor today. And you know, 393 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: Rory made a bunch of birdies, a bunch of bogies. 394 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: He was there, he wasn't there. It was just quintessential 395 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: Rory performance. But watching the watching those guys play played out, 396 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: what what did you see? Yeah, yeah, I mean Rory's 397 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: gonna look back again. I mean he didn't really lose 398 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: it today. I think he probably lost it yesterday. Um. Um, 399 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: he just he's just top five in majors every time. 400 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter how. He plays the same sort 401 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: of manager gazeway in the top five, but he doesn't 402 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: seem to figure on the leader board as much as 403 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: he probably should. But again, these things are hard. These 404 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: tournaments are hard. He carries a fair weight of expectation, um, 405 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: self expectation and everyone else's expectation. Um, it's been a 406 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: long time since he's won one, so it's hard. I 407 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: mean sort of, he's trying his hardest. Yeah, I mean, 408 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be surprised if he wins four or five more, 409 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: but the way it goes it looks like but he 410 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: could not win anymore, right, So, I mean he really 411 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: knows he's so good, and you look at last week, 412 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: and you watch last week, it's like, Wow, this guy 413 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: should win two of the easy year. But yeah, I 414 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: mean he's going to ruin a little bit. John's going 415 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: to be a little bit annoyed. I think. I mean 416 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: the last nineteen holes, he looked, he looked for all 417 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: accounts at the winner. Didn't he have with a hold 418 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: of play yesterday? John on Sunday doesn't normally go that way, 419 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: but just wasn't his week. I mean, these things are tough. 420 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you can play well and ship two or 421 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: three over like you just get off to a rough 422 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: start and it's they're really tough. I mean her deck, 423 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: he played unbelievable. What around He had a little frustrated 424 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: at him when he didn't hit the seventeenth grain. It 425 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: would have been fun to see him get in the 426 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: house at four, which might have put a little bit 427 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: more pressure on the guys coming in. Colin sort of 428 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: a backdoor top five. He sort of had a good 429 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: start of the week and was gone yesterday and had 430 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: a great day to day. I mean, he was never 431 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: really in it, but he's ended up. He's gonna History's 432 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: gonna show a top five, which is pretty cool. Um 433 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: Adam had one. Keeps showing up in big tournaments too. Yeah, 434 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: you know, he's he's a man for this occasion. He's 435 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: just got that really tidy. It's Fitzpatrick like right, he's 436 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: sort of methodical and goes about his business, hits the 437 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: ball really tired. He doesn't do anything that's gonna blow. 438 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: You're gonna walk straight past him on the range. But 439 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: like then at the end of the week, he's right 440 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: up there again. You know. Um just keeps coming up 441 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: with a good sad one. So yeah, I mean Guido 442 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: had a top fifteen Guidos the US Open. Incredible, Yeah, fantastic. 443 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned Guedo because when I was I 444 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: was walking in today, he was going down the seventeenth fairway. 445 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: He was hitting the vaighte pen and I tweeted about 446 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: this and I said, I don't care, it doesn't bother me. 447 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: But is in the context of a very stressful tournament round, 448 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: is nicotina performance enhancing drug? And is it something that 449 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: you know, should be regulated in some way, and it 450 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: led to all kinds of people calling me your prude stuff. 451 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 1: I'm not an offended by, but you know it's someone's like, well, 452 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: what about aspirin or what about gate read? But you know, 453 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: in the United States there's a minimum aids. It's a 454 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: regularly an industry. It's acknowledged by the government to be, 455 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: you know, essentially a harmful and or addictive substance. And 456 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: what I mean obviously guys chew some Arnie and Palmer 457 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: Arnie and Hogan and plenty of others smoked. But you know, 458 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: it is a funny thing. I mean, we all recognize 459 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: it affects your your body in some way. Like do 460 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: you think it has a place in big time competitive golf? Joke? 461 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,479 Speaker 1: I think people should be able to do whatever they want, 462 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: to be honest with inside the rules, it probably is 463 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: performance enhancing. But then what are you going to do 464 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: to stop drug guys drinking coffee in the morning? I mean, like, 465 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: where do you where do you draw the line? I 466 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: mean Bobby Jones, I mean he used to say, why 467 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: would you play golf without cigarettes? You know, yeah, like 468 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: how could you? I mean Hogan didn't hit a shot 469 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: without having a smoke in his hand before he hit it. 470 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: I mean, it's obviously a different world now. I don't know. 471 00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of chew out there, as 472 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: you say, and um CBD two in garm and like 473 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: all sorts of difference that. I mean, guys are going 474 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: to do their thing right. So I mean, I don't 475 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: think that's really that performance enhancing. If it keeps him 476 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: happy and peaceful, I don't think anybody really minds. I mean, 477 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: I think everyone's glad that we don't smell cigarettes and 478 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: stuff out there like we used to, like back in 479 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: the good old days everywhere. But I don't know. If 480 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: you banned nicotaine, what are you gonna do bank cat caffeine? 481 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: And then you're gonna what are you gonna ban practice 482 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: practice this performance enhancing too? That I'm definitely stealing that lane. 483 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: What about we like, say you're in California where it's legal, Like, 484 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: are you okay with the guys like, you know, actually 485 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: having real marijuana DHC during their competitive rounds? Well, T 486 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: actually is a banned substance for us. So I mean, 487 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: I think I don't know enough about the levels and 488 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: the rules and stuff, but I think you probably you would. 489 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: If you would, you would we in the cup and 490 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: you would fail the test. I think, so we're not 491 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: allowed to do that. I don't think why. Alcohol is 492 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: an interesting one. Yeah, sure, alcohol would absolutely be a 493 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: performance answer for most people. I would have thought, if 494 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: you could get yourself to the right level, And nobody 495 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: really does it except some of the older guys every 496 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: now and then, and John's done it, and there's a 497 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: few other guys that I won't mention that used to 498 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: sneak run in towards the end of their career, and 499 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: that's clearly a performance. We all played better after a 500 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: couple of years, I think, especially if you're a little 501 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,959 Speaker 1: bit stressed. If you were really looking for performance enhancing 502 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: legal things to do, you wouldn't you just have a 503 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: little hip flask and your hip flask in your golf 504 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: bag and have a little sip every six holes or 505 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: something like that. I mean, I don't know, is that 506 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: against PGA tour bilaws? Is it spelled out you can't 507 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: do that. It's not against the drug enforcement policy or whatever, 508 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: but I think it's against the bilows. Yeah, it's conduct unbecoming. 509 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: I think I mean, now we're getting into some subtle things. 510 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: But that's why is THHC a band substance about caffeine 511 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: or and tobacco is nut? I mean about the gum. 512 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: What's loud in the gum? Only the CBD gum. Yeah, 513 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: I'm just saying to me that there's this is a 514 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: slight bit of hypocrisy and or the live of big tobacco. 515 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: Like there's other things that play earlier. Um, some things 516 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:04,959 Speaker 1: are okay and some things are not. I just think 517 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: it's funny debate. I'm not that fired up about it, 518 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: but it came up today. One of the most intense things. 519 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: It's hard to ask somebody to It's hard to ask 520 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: somebody to quit nicotine, you know. I imagine to play 521 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: golf though. I mean, it's a pretty hard thing to stop, right. 522 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: Some guys just probably want to stop and can't. Gito 523 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: probably doesn't want to do it, you know, but it's 524 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: just his thing, you know, like play golf. Stop this 525 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,959 Speaker 1: so you can't play golf, I don't know. Yeah. One 526 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: of the most intense things I've ever seen in golf 527 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: is Ben Crenshaw at ninety five at the Master's trying 528 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: to win and you know, not wanting the little children 529 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: to see him, you know, cup I saw the cop 530 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: out of Niki, you know. And he won't play golf 531 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: courses where you can't smoke. And that's the number of cigarettes. 532 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: That's a number of golf courses these days, Um, Joe. 533 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: Part of me if I've ever mentioned the sea before, 534 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: and I know Alan's herby Safer before, but it was 535 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: something I heard years ago and it made such an 536 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: impression on me, and it was it came from Lucas 537 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: Glover and he said, you know, the most the moment 538 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: he really realized that he was the US Open winner 539 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: was not when he hoisted the trophy, not when he 540 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: went in David Letterman, but when he went when he 541 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: went to Hartford and he stood up and he walked 542 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: on the practice team and guys were looking at him different. 543 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: So two part question, Jeff, because unlike Phil Mickelson, I 544 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: believe you are taking two part questions. That's one of 545 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: his new things, Jeff. He's not taking two part questions, 546 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: two part questions. What was that Lucas clever moment for you? 547 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: And here with Fitzpatrick taking a Fortnite off, what do 548 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 1: you think it might be for him to the best 549 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: you can guess what it might be like for him. 550 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: There was a couple of moments I guess for me. 551 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: I mean, let himans are pretty that day the day 552 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: after the Monday, because I was in New York and 553 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: we went we didn't have to fly into New York. 554 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: I mean, we went really deep on Sunday night and Monday. 555 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: It was a little bit of a blur. But then 556 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: you get on Letterman and Adam Sandlers in the green 557 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: room and he's chatting to me about how much he 558 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: watched it and how we had to finish it was 559 00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff. I mean, I guess 560 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: that was the moment. But the real moment, yeah, it's 561 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: probably the next tournament. And my next tournament was Hoylake. Actually, 562 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: oh wow, I had three or four weeks off. I'd 563 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: always I'd always planned it to be honest, and it 564 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: just happened. So I was back in Australia and that 565 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: was kind of pretty cool, and there was a bit 566 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 1: of fan fair back here. But when I turned up 567 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: at Hoylake, all of a sudden, you're actually everybody asks 568 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: and everybody's looking, and you're signing everywhere, and like the 569 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: next time in the arena up to Definitely that really 570 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: hits home. It's like, Wow, I actually won something that 571 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: people care about. Did you feel it from deal? Did 572 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: you feel it from your fellow players as well? I imagine, yeah, absolutely, 573 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: yeah you do. Um, people walk all the way to 574 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: across two fairways to congratulate you. You walk on the 575 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: range and everyone sort of looking and yeah, it's it's 576 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: different from winning a normal tournament via long stretch. Yeah, 577 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: it was pretty cool. So the next time I played 578 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: was definitely hit Home. And then the next time I 579 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: played in the US was Flint, Michigan. Remember the old 580 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 1: Buick Flint Michigan. It's a fantastic, fantastic tournament and I'm 581 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: out there in the pro am and I'm signing ten 582 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: magazines off the back of every single because it was 583 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: the Golf Week and Golf World era when we had 584 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: the weekly magazines and stuff signing. I must have signed 585 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: five hundred of those magazines um that week. That was 586 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: my first weekend back in the US, and all the 587 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: collectors and the ebayers and stuff. We're walking around with 588 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: the magazines and all the kids with the hats and stuff. 589 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: So it was the next couple of times I played really, 590 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: So it's just it's a gradual little thing. And for 591 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: Matt it'll be as soon as he walks on the 592 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: he gets to the golf tournament for sure, Um wherever 593 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: he's playing in two weeks, where is he playing in 594 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: two weeks, three weeks, I don't know. Yeah, I know 595 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: we're going to Scottish. Yeah, it'll be there, I imagine, 596 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: because especially when a European, there's such a brotherhood on 597 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: the European Tour. I don't know if it's still the 598 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: same but as it was, but I'm sure it's still there. 599 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: And he's a pretty regular He's been over here a lot, well, 600 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: in the US a lot, but he's he's a pretty 601 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: regular member or the European Tour and they all know 602 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: him and he's sort of grown up on that tour though. 603 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: They will they will be very very excited for him, 604 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: and he'll be really really he'll have a sort of 605 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: a lot of handshacks and a lot of hugs and 606 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: a lot of happiness in the first couple of days 607 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: when he turns up in Scotland. Yeah. Well, and we 608 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: saw that with Rory sticking around to congratulate him. That 609 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: was cool. He came down the last and and as 610 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: you and Alan was asking him in his press conference 611 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: about being from Sheffield, Egland, he's a pretty regular guy too. Yeah, 612 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: and I think that will serve him well as the 613 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: open chaman. I mean, Sheffield is a working class town. 614 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: He's a working golfer. He's a very sereber one, but 615 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: he's working man's golfer for sure, and that will serve him. Well. 616 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: That's great. Well, Michael, I have a lot of typing 617 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: to do, so let let's wrap this up with where 618 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: do we think? And this is an impossible question answer, 619 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: but that's the funny podcast, as we can just spout 620 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: things off. Where do we think Fitzpatrick goes from here? 621 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: I mean, what is what is his future? Like? Oh wow? 622 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: I mean he probably goes on and wins a few 623 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: more tournaments, I would think. I mean, he's obviously a 624 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: great player. It doesn't look like he's going to get 625 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: overalled and carried away with the whole thing. I mean, 626 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,479 Speaker 1: expectation is a tough thing after you win. I mean 627 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: I think almost every sort of winner like me or 628 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick or Lucas or the normal ones, you know, not 629 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: not the Tigers and the Ernies and the guys who 630 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: expect to be up there the whole time, but the 631 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: expectation for the next six to twelve months is tough. 632 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: He's obviously in a rich rain of form, playing really well. 633 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: He's going to be excited at s Andrew's. I'm sure 634 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: he's going to stick around. He's the sort of guy 635 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: pretty level headed, as you say, pretty cerebral and pretty smart, 636 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: pretty normal. Doesn't seem like he's going to get carried 637 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: away on social media or sort of become too big 638 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: for his boots. He'll just keep jotting down his notes 639 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,239 Speaker 1: in his book and just keep playing golf. He's got 640 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: a great caddy on his back. He'll keep his He'll 641 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: keep him level and remind him that he's just got 642 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: a job to doing it. When he turns up for 643 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: the Scottish Open, I think he's he looks built, like 644 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: he said, he's like Faldo, like he looks built to 645 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: win these big tournaments, especially when they're like this one. 646 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: I mean, he might struggle around Bethpage Black or something, 647 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: Tory Saalff or something, because it's probably just a little 648 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: big for him. But again, he's hitting the ball a 649 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: lot further and U, as I said, putting Struke just 650 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: looks like full proof under pressure. UM, yeah, brilliant. I 651 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: think he's I think he's I wouldn't say the sky's 652 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: the limit, but I think he's got a lot of 653 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,239 Speaker 1: wins in front of him. Yeah. Well, it's very well 654 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: said because in this very frought moment for golf, I mean, 655 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: the European Tour is in a precarious position with um, 656 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: I mean they could very quickly become the number four 657 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: tour in golf if liv has the money and in 658 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: affiliation with the Asian Tour, like the European Tour is 659 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: fighting for its survival. So as you said, he's always 660 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: been a supporter of that tour. He's English to the bone. 661 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: He could be a backbone of Ryder Cup teams which 662 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: they really need an infusion of talent. So I think, 663 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: I think, very very quickly, Matthew Fitzpatrick becomes an important 664 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: part of the professional golf tournament. That's what happens when 665 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: you win this tournament. So it's fun to think about 666 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: what what role he could take. Because I agree with 667 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: what you said, Jeff, I mean, he looks like he's 668 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: built for the long haul. I don't want to be 669 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: Debbie Downer here, but when Patrick kent Lay putted at 670 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: that Baltimore tournament, in the FedEx event, I never saw 671 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: a better putting stroke in all my life, including everybody. 672 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: But it comes and goes for all of them now, 673 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: he said. Matt Fitzpatrick said the smartest thing you can 674 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: say on a Sunday night, and I think he really 675 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: meant it. I'm not changing anything. I know what works. 676 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to keep that going what works. But even 677 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: with that mindset, it is hard to keep it going 678 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: no matter what. He now is in the same conversation 679 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: as Tony Japlin for the rest of his life. He's 680 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: an Englishman who won the US Open, and not only that, 681 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: he won it the same place he won a US 682 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: Amateur that couts from the same company as Jack Nicholas. 683 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: So he has had He's a young man, he's had 684 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: a great golfing life already, and he'll either keep it 685 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: going or he won't keep it going. He's going to 686 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: be around for years. But whether he'll every one another 687 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: major or not, I would say the odds are against. 688 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: But I'm rooting for him because he's likable and it's 689 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: great for golf when you have a guy win more 690 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: than one major, just like guy would root for Jeff 691 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: Ogilvie in a minute. But it is hard, and I 692 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: don't think in this age it's harder than it's ever been. 693 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: And it's heasenter Sunday night and our euphoria just say nothing. 694 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: It his euphoria to get carried away. But Patrick Kenley 695 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: will tell you that it's hard to keep it going. 696 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: It's true. I mean, there's so much life in front 697 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: of Fitzpatrick. I was talking to Jordan speech actually about Fitzpatrick, 698 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: and as soon as we were done, he got down 699 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: on the grass and he's rolling around with his new baby, 700 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: and he looked like he didn't even care whatever He 701 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: finished with the USA, which wasn't great, Like, you know, 702 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: your priorities very quickly changed. Fitzpatrick's a bachelor. You know 703 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: that can be a distraction. So we'll see how it goes. 704 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: But it was a big time performance on a big 705 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: time golf course, and we'll see that. That's the great 706 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: thing about support, and nothing's guaranteed. We have no idea 707 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: what's in store for him, but we got will you 708 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: see his just attention here? Probably not I mean, Jeff 709 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: mentioned like it's incredible. The guys never want to be 710 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: take to our event. Ben He's you know, he's just 711 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: he's a top five machine in the majors and uh. 712 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: And I talked to a few players as actually asking 713 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: Colin Moore, a cow who you know he's had his 714 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: putting struggles as well. I said, you know when you're 715 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: when you're playing with Willie and you watch him put 716 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, what does that feel like? He was like, 717 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: I pray for him, but he was serious, like he's 718 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: like he said, he's it's squirrely. I mean it's he said, 719 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: but you know the ball doesn't go in the whole 720 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: a good amount and um, uh so yeah, it's pretty 721 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: funny like um. And Gary Woodland's the same. I caught 722 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: him in the parking lot. He's like, it looks weird, 723 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: but the ball goes in. So um. He's a fun 724 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: character to have. I mean, he addled himself beautifully out there. 725 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: I love watching him hit the ball. He showed a 726 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: ton of heart. I mean, it's clear he's gonna keep 727 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: contending and it's it's part of the fun. I mean, 728 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: the exception maybe Tiger Woods, you know, very few players 729 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: get everything. No player gets everything, and so from you know, 730 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: Tita Green is all towards absolutely incredible, and the tension 731 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: is can he get the ball in the fast enough? 732 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: And I think asking an ongoing conversation. Yeah, I mean 733 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: to be three strokes away from three playoffs in three 734 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 1: majors and three very different golf courses at this young 735 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: age for a rich kid. And I don't mean that 736 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: in a demeaning way, but rich kids usually aren't gonna 737 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: work hard enough at golf to get that good. I 738 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: think it's actually astounding. Yeah, is that too Harshtiff, No, 739 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: it's generally historically accurate. I mean there's outlies and now, 740 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: and he's one of the outlies, you know. I mean, 741 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: rich kids unfortunately have the all the opportunity though you know, 742 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: they get all the AGGA and they get all the 743 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: junior stuff and they stuff. But yeah, there's I think 744 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: there's a case for both. There's a case for our 745 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: opportunity when you grow up, but there's also a case 746 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: for the Cabrera sort of fighting for your dinner sort 747 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: of upbringing. You know. I mean too, that you just 748 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: desperately got to You've got to get out of where 749 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: you've grow up and you've got to succeed. You've got 750 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: no choice. I think there's a case for both. Yep, 751 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: I love it. And Matthew Fitzpatrick. I mean he called 752 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: Sheffield a steel town. I love that. You know, I 753 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: don't know what Sheffield does, but I know what Pittsburgh is. 754 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: They're both steel talents. Like it gives you very quickly. Yeah, 755 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: well they make the razors in Sheffield's Yeah. Okay, there 756 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: you go. See. I mean, we're this is such an 757 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: edifying podcast for our listeners. They learned so many different things. Um, well, 758 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: this has been a heck of a week. Jeff. We 759 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: thank you for getting up early, shooting the kids off 760 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: to school. I mean, there's been a lot of podcasting. 761 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: You've been indispensable voice. I'm getting a lot of love 762 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: on Twitter for I don't know, I think you're smart 763 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: enough to stay above the fray. But people have definitely 764 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 1: been appreciating your your commentary. And it's a little weird 765 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: to hear Jeff praise Aisinger so much, whom I like 766 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: a lot. But Jeff could do Asinger's job better than 767 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: a singer, significantly better. But don't tell anyone because we 768 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: don't lose exactly, so edit this out, Jake, but we 769 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 1: will include our testimony to the fellows from Wiscott. Where 770 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 1: are they from the Dormy Workshop. They're from Nova Scotia, actual, 771 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: Nova Scotia. Yeah great, yeah, yeah yeah, Dormy Workshop. One 772 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: of our sponsors will give me a shout out. They 773 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: make beautiful handmade leather goods that you like, you know 774 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: if you're into super cool head covers and O R 775 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: M I dormy like you're dormy in a match. So 776 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: I e from the French. Yes, to sleep, to sleep? Yes, 777 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: Like I'm so in control of this match. I could 778 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,399 Speaker 1: go to sleep here and you cannot beat me. That's 779 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 1: it and isn't it? Isn't Caddy has driven by French. 780 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I wanted high school French. Believe I'm unqualified 781 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: to be having this conversation. You did well, Michael, You 782 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: did well, so all right. For Michael Bamberger, who is 783 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: good cheer and enthusiasm has been a big part of 784 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 1: these podcasts. I'm Alan Schipnuk, Jeff Ogilvie across the Ocean. 785 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: We will be back at it Um the week of 786 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: the Open Championship for more Fire Drill Podcast. Thanks all 787 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: the listeners. We appreciate you and we know you're out there, 788 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: and uh, thanks for going on this journey with us 789 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 1: for now. That's it from the Country Club. One hundred 790 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: and twenty second US opens in the books and Fire 791 00:36:54,360 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: Drill Podcast has done so. Thanks. Put another log on 792 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 1: the fire nobody hears. Get the time,