Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre.
Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined us always by our bar.
Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. They're not gonna
Speaker 1: be able to get the rest of the roster where
Speaker 1: they need it to be fair enough.
Speaker 2: Let's move on because we're gonna we're stuck here.
Speaker 1: You just want to talk about you guys playing catch.
Speaker 1: You don't want to talk about football.
Speaker 2: One, That's exactly what it is. Well, we definitely get
Speaker 2: to talk about two guys playing catch today.
Speaker 1: Definitely. That's all non padded practice.
Speaker 2: This is literally all all it is is two guys
Speaker 2: playing catch and shorts and a T shirt and a helmet.
Speaker 2: Not not to come out here and say that you
Speaker 2: shouldn't listen to the next two hours of us pouring
Speaker 2: over all of our notes from that two hour session
Speaker 2: this morning of shorts and a T shirt and a helmet.
Speaker 2: But the point is is, and I wanted to make
Speaker 2: this point anyways because I feel, as I say this
Speaker 2: every year and you're gonna make fun of me when
Speaker 2: I say this, but every year that we do this
Speaker 2: and this is what let's just tell everybody how old
Speaker 2: we are. Year seven for both of us. We started
Speaker 2: the same year, So this is year seven for both
Speaker 2: of us, which is have.
Speaker 1: We been doing this longer than most of the guys
Speaker 1: have been in the league. Oh yeah, it's got to
Speaker 1: be about we got to be getting there. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: the average NFL career is like five six years.
Speaker 2: It does. It does dawn on me now when we
Speaker 2: talk to guys that I am. I'm really am older
Speaker 2: than all these guys at this point.
Speaker 1: Well, I was chatting with so I did the pre
Speaker 1: practice thing this morning with Sarge where he goes down
Speaker 1: to talks reporters and they had Sony Michelle go before me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tough act to follow, and we're waiting.
Speaker 2: I was chatting to have a Super Bowl ring.
Speaker 1: I was chatting with him. Very nice guy, by the way,
Speaker 1: very nice guys. I'm chatting with him and we were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's great covering you go, oh yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I remember you're there's like ye oh yeah, your first
Speaker 1: year was my first year. Look he's won how many rings?
Speaker 1: He's now out of the league. He's living his life
Speaker 1: doing business. Good for him, But yeah, it's been a minute.
Speaker 2: Well, we've been doing this a minute. We've been doing
Speaker 2: this a little while now, and one of the things
Speaker 2: that I've learned from the experience is that these first
Speaker 2: couple of days, you want to come out guns blaze,
Speaker 2: and you want to have takes, you want to have opinions,
Speaker 2: you want to start formulating your roster projection and all
Speaker 2: these different things. But the reality of the situation is
Speaker 2: that we are not even scratching the surface of real football.
Speaker 2: And the thing that Dawn's on me with this as well.
Speaker 2: We were talking about this a little bit on the
Speaker 2: Live show yesterday. On pu last year, we went out
Speaker 2: to Green Bay, Deuce and I went out to Green
Speaker 2: Bay for those joint practices, and for all intents and purposes,
Speaker 2: those joint practices were relatively even two teams. The Patriots
Speaker 2: won the first day, the Packers kind of controlled play
Speaker 2: the second day. Those two seasons could not have gone differently. Literally,
Speaker 2: we got to the season and it went like this
Speaker 2: for those two teams. And it just goes to show
Speaker 2: as much as we love and I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: saying this and it's making our the stuff we do
Speaker 2: sound irrelevant, but it just goes to show where I
Speaker 2: want to try to keep my head which is level
Speaker 2: at this point in time. With that being said, you
Speaker 2: are going to hear a lot, and it objectively speaking,
Speaker 2: You're gonna hear a lot about how the offense had
Speaker 2: a tough day to day. It did not look pretty
Speaker 2: at times for the Patriots offense. But if I'm going
Speaker 2: to be true to my word, and I'm not going
Speaker 2: to jump to any conclusions, and I'm gonna not ride
Speaker 2: the roller coaster of the Patriots training camp this year,
Speaker 2: because you know me, I tend sometimes I get on
Speaker 2: on the six flags.
Speaker 1: Right, how you feel about Taekwon Evan exactly.
Speaker 2: I'm trying. I'm trying so hard not to.
Speaker 1: Let's make the big point, then the.
Speaker 2: Big point, and I'm not doing a good job of
Speaker 2: landing this plane quickly. The big point is that I
Speaker 2: don't want to come in here with a bunch of
Speaker 2: knee jerk reactions. That's not what we do and I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to do that. So if you're worried about
Speaker 2: some of the reports that you're seeing from practice at
Speaker 2: the offense had a bad day, I understand, But I
Speaker 2: don't think it's anything that we didn't already know about
Speaker 2: the offense. The offensive line is going to be a
Speaker 2: work in progress, period. Yeah, that's it. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: the It's gonna be work in progress. There are question
Speaker 2: marks about the validity of the pass catching group. If
Speaker 2: they have a high then enough high end talent to
Speaker 2: go out there and make big plays, that that's gonna
Speaker 2: be a question mark. So I don't feel like I've
Speaker 2: learned anything new about my concerns. But because we have
Speaker 2: a show to do today and we should tell you
Speaker 2: what we saw, it was a shaky day for the offense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think just on the big picture of the
Speaker 1: previous two days. Where I come from is what I
Speaker 1: always harp on in the spring, these non padded practices.
Speaker 1: There's information here, there's important information here. It's just not
Speaker 1: necessarily in the results. It's in the approach. And that's
Speaker 1: that's both from the coaches and the players. So most
Speaker 1: of my takeaways from the first couple of days is
Speaker 1: who's on the field, who isn't, who's playing with who,
Speaker 1: who's playing over who, and then how some individual players
Speaker 1: are approaching things. I'm sure we'll get to Drake May,
Speaker 1: but like my big takeaway on Drake May, has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with his performance. But he came out aggressive.
Speaker 1: He came out aggressive. He came out ready to compete.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean he's going to compete. You expect that,
Speaker 1: but you never know what the rookie, it's really easy
Speaker 1: to come out and you know, I just don't want
Speaker 1: to screw up. I don't want to get anybody mad
Speaker 1: at me. I'm gonna take my checkdowns. And at least
Speaker 1: on day one he didn't do a ton of that.
Speaker 1: He did a little bit of more of that today,
Speaker 1: but all the quarterbacks did because of the line. Again.
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm more interested in the approach, in
Speaker 1: the philosophy that we see from the first few days.
Speaker 1: We'll get to the real football that comes on Monday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there is still information here. There is still absolutely
Speaker 1: information here. Like I had circled, I wrote a thing
Speaker 1: before camp. You can still check it out. In ninety
Speaker 1: had five Sports of dot Com on six players I
Speaker 1: thought might surprise for a roster spot, Guys that aren't
Speaker 1: being talked about that maybe they're not gonna come in
Speaker 1: and be the team's MVP for the season, but they
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be here. And one of them was
Speaker 1: tight end Mitchell Wilcox, and he's been on the field
Speaker 1: a ton the last two days. He hasn't necessarily done
Speaker 1: a lot in terms of catching the ball, but he's not.
Speaker 1: He's a blocking tight end. That's his role. They need that.
Speaker 1: So that to me is more what you take away
Speaker 1: from this period, We get a better idea. We spent
Speaker 1: so much time those months between the spring and the
Speaker 1: start of camp, will what are the battles and who's
Speaker 1: competing with who and what spots are up for grabs.
Speaker 1: We're kind of seeing that all play out in terms
Speaker 1: of where guys stand during these few days, and then
Speaker 1: once the pads come on, that's when you start having
Speaker 1: the discussion of okay, well who's actually right?
Speaker 2: And that's the evaluation period is starting on Monday, and
Speaker 2: that's that's all where I'm coming from. The main thing
Speaker 2: is is, just like I said, none of what we're
Speaker 2: telling you should come as a surprise that they're still
Speaker 2: trying to figure things out on the offensive line and
Speaker 2: that the receivers. Although there are some flashes from some
Speaker 2: of the younger players and from Taekwon, let's be honest
Speaker 2: and Jalen Rager a little bit earlier yeah, our headphones
Speaker 2: are popping a little bit, but I think we're good.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah. The even though there there are some concerns
Speaker 2: on offense. Like if I had told you before they
Speaker 2: even started practicing on Wednesday that the offensive line might
Speaker 2: be a little bit concerning and the receivers might not
Speaker 2: create a ton of downfield separation, you would have told me, well, duh.
Speaker 2: You know, I can look at the roster on paper
Speaker 2: and I can feel that. So I just want to
Speaker 2: get that out there because I know that there are
Speaker 2: going to be some knee jerk reactions to some of
Speaker 2: the things, and I just wanted to make sure we
Speaker 2: get that out there before we really get rolling here.
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Speaker 2: Want to do some bookkeeping before we open it up
Speaker 2: to the phone lines, which are open eight five to
Speaker 2: five PATS five hundred web radio at patriots dot com
Speaker 2: as always is the email address. And I have a
Speaker 2: bunch of notes that I wanted to just run run
Speaker 2: through with you and then you can obviously add anything
Speaker 2: that I missed, but before I did want to get
Speaker 2: into some bookkeeping type stuff. So in terms of attendance,
Speaker 2: the PUP and NFI guys are still the same. You
Speaker 2: know that that hasn't changed.
Speaker 1: Well, Gibson got activated today. So is he officially activated?
Speaker 1: I think he has to be because he was on
Speaker 1: the field in uniform.
Speaker 2: He was on the field in uniform and he went
Speaker 2: through stretching, right, so.
Speaker 1: That's usually the bar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they well we'll find out what the wire
Speaker 2: if that makes the wire today if not U but
Speaker 2: he was there. We had a sighting. Yeah, we had
Speaker 2: Antonio Gibson's sighting. So that's good positive news. Devon Godshaw,
Speaker 2: this is where I wanted to start. Now there's a
Speaker 2: report out there. I think I believe from Mark Daniels
Speaker 2: that Christian Barmore is feeling a little under the weather
Speaker 2: and that that's why he was a little limited today.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Devon Godshaw is in the same boat.
Speaker 2: If it's an injury, if it's an illness whatever, uh.
Speaker 2: But bottom line is is he was out there yesterday,
Speaker 2: he was out there today for the second hour of
Speaker 2: team drills, but he was not participating. And by the
Speaker 2: looks of it, again I'm just purely speculating, but by
Speaker 2: the looks of it, it felt like a hold in
Speaker 2: type of situation. And we know he's unhappy about his
Speaker 2: contract He's made that, you know, publicly clear. So Devon
Speaker 2: Godshaw is either holding in or is dealing with something minor.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but assuming just for the sake of
Speaker 2: the show that he is holding in, you know, where
Speaker 2: do you stand right now currently with what they should
Speaker 2: do with Davon Gotcha Because I think Matthew Judon's playing ball.
Speaker 2: I think Matthew John's going to be out there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and my guess is that they will reward him at
Speaker 2: some point for not going this route with it. But
Speaker 2: with Godshaw, do you feel like you know, where do
Speaker 2: you feel a things stand with Devon Gotshaw right now? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I get it looked like a hold in today,
Speaker 1: but why would he be a full participant yesterday, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then hold in today that that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: So I think he's a full participant. As for his contract,
Speaker 1: I've said this, if it's one of the two you
Speaker 1: pay Judon. If you can work something out with Godshaw,
Speaker 1: too great. But I don't know if they want to
Speaker 1: maybe draw a line with all these contracts they've been
Speaker 1: giving out things like that, And what's Godshaw's role? They've
Speaker 1: talked about being more aggressive? Does that mean less two
Speaker 1: gapping on defense? Where does his role play in with that?
Speaker 1: Is he going to be more aggressive? Is he going
Speaker 1: to be more of a pass rusher. We did see him,
Speaker 1: you know, make a play as a pass rusher on
Speaker 1: day win a camp, but his situation is a little
Speaker 1: more complicated than Matthew Judon's is. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if you noticed, but towards the end of practice, Robert
Speaker 1: Kraft came out of the building. Yeah, talk to Matthew
Speaker 1: Judon for a little bit. Then he was talking with
Speaker 1: Elliot wolf Grod Mayo came over. So, whatever you want
Speaker 1: to make of that.
Speaker 2: Does seem like something is maybe brewing.
Speaker 1: There were conversations. What they were about, yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but they were for that.
Speaker 2: YEA, My whole thing with Devon, gotcha has not changed.
Speaker 2: And I just feel and again when I talk, like
Speaker 2: you know, talk about players like this, I hope that
Speaker 2: people recognize that this is not personal whatsoever with the player.
Speaker 2: But I just don't really understand. I don't understand what
Speaker 2: his leverage is, frankly, because at this stage of just
Speaker 2: the NFL ether, Devon Gotscha is like maybe a two
Speaker 2: down player. He's He's a rotational nose tackle that's going
Speaker 2: to play on first and second down, but primarily just
Speaker 2: on first down as a run staff. He's not a
Speaker 2: pass rusher. He's not a third down player. He's not
Speaker 2: a passing game player they're gonna bring in and we
Speaker 2: saw today, you know, even though he wasn't out there,
Speaker 2: I don't think he's in that pass rush package even
Speaker 2: if he is in there. So we're gonna see them
Speaker 2: bring in players like an armand Watts, like a Daniel Aqualley.
Speaker 2: Obviously Christian Barmol will be in that mix to rush
Speaker 2: on the interior in obvious passing situations. It's not gonna
Speaker 2: be Devon Godshaw. So yes, I agree with Godshaw to
Speaker 2: an extent that he plays a role that if you
Speaker 2: really watch the film, that he makes a big impact
Speaker 2: in their run defense, and they had a great run
Speaker 2: defense last year with him in the middle, no doubt
Speaker 2: about that. But if you look at the compensation on
Speaker 2: his contract, he's pretty fairly compensated this year for what
Speaker 2: his role is. He's he's making what ten and a
Speaker 2: half I think it is a million eleven million dollars
Speaker 2: to play football for the Patriots this year as a
Speaker 2: two down run stuffing nose tack. That's a pretty good deal. Like,
Speaker 2: it's not a very valuable position. And we've talked about
Speaker 2: this a lot with the draft, and as everything always
Speaker 2: trickles up from the draft, how many guys have we
Speaker 2: thrown out there, Alex over the last couple of years
Speaker 2: that were in this mold of a nose tackle, a
Speaker 2: true three four two gapping news tackle. And those guys
Speaker 2: don't get drafted high anymore. You know, you wait, some
Speaker 2: of these guys, you know, remember, like a Mark one
Speaker 2: McCaulay goes undrafted, right, you know, like these guys just
Speaker 2: aren't valued around the league anymore. So I'm finding a
Speaker 2: hard time figuring out what Devon Godshaw's leverage truly is.
Speaker 1: I think it's intangibles. I think it's as a like
Speaker 1: a veteran, as a leader, as a culture guy, things
Speaker 1: like that. In addition to you know, I mean he does,
Speaker 1: like you say, places role well, and that's part of it.
Speaker 1: And then you know, they're trying to establish a new culture.
Speaker 1: They're trying to get guys to go a certain way
Speaker 1: inside the building and you know, be to the tune
Speaker 1: of a certain drum. And he probably believes he's a
Speaker 1: guy that can help them establish that. He might not
Speaker 1: be wrong, right, but are you.
Speaker 2: I just think from an on field perspective.
Speaker 1: Right, is that worth the extra money?
Speaker 2: You just you can't bow down to everybody, right like
Speaker 2: you can't because you're handing out these extensions. And that's
Speaker 2: what Judon said yesterday. And this is what people like
Speaker 2: like Paul had been worried about with these contract extensions. Internally,
Speaker 2: you know, these retaining players with these contract extensions. The
Speaker 2: fear is is that Devon Godshaw and Matthew Judon are
Speaker 2: going to sit there and say, well, Barmore got his
Speaker 2: Remandre got his, Dugger got his you know, where's mine? Right?
Speaker 2: And in some respects you do need to be wary
Speaker 2: of that. And I think Judon is a fair gripe
Speaker 2: because of how little he has in money coming to
Speaker 2: him this year. But I just don't feel the same
Speaker 2: way about Godshaw, and I would be careful about just
Speaker 2: bending the knee to everybody and just giving everybody a
Speaker 2: little something.
Speaker 1: So when they were giving out all these extensions, people said, well,
Speaker 1: where do you draw the line, and it's a it's
Speaker 1: a fair question. Yeah, it's a fair question. Certainly not
Speaker 1: before Matthew Judon he's worth paying Devon Godshaw. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: that's where you start to have that conversation. I know
Speaker 1: Joshua had been thrown out like certainly with him because
Speaker 1: he just signed a deal like three months ago. But
Speaker 1: that's I feel like he's that Devon Godga might be
Speaker 1: the answer to that question.
Speaker 2: He might be the line that might be it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he might be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's nothing against him. That's just for where
Speaker 1: they're at, for what he wants. It doesn't make a
Speaker 1: lot of sense at that point. You're just signing the
Speaker 1: deal kind of to sign it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, I agree, all right, So that's Godshaw. I
Speaker 2: do want to circle back really quickly to Antonio Gibson
Speaker 2: in a second, but just a few other bookkeeping notes.
Speaker 1: Keep the book, Sevan, keep on keeping the books.
Speaker 2: Pop. Douglas hasn't really been practicing on the last two days.
Speaker 1: You want my theory on this, I do want you.
Speaker 1: I would call it a theory, not even a take.
Speaker 1: I would call it a theory. They're gonna bury him again.
Speaker 1: Remember last year he had like two great weeks of camp. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then he just didn't practice and he wasn't hurt anything.
Speaker 2: But everybody already knows what he is. Like, what's the
Speaker 2: point of burying more.
Speaker 1: He's going to be more.
Speaker 2: You think he's gonna be.
Speaker 1: I think part of it is he's going to be more,
Speaker 1: and part of it is they want to make sure
Speaker 1: he's healthy. Yeah, So I think there's a real chance
Speaker 1: that they just look at him and say, you're good.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of receivers we need to get
Speaker 1: through to evaluate. We know what you can do. We
Speaker 1: don't want you getting hurt. We don't want to show
Speaker 1: people the cool, fun gadgety stuff we're gonna do with you.
Speaker 1: Go right, he had the zoomies today at practice. He's
Speaker 1: running up and down the sideline on his own.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like, I think they're burying him again. So they're hiding him,
Speaker 1: hiding him.
Speaker 2: They're not burying him because burying him, that's true, that's
Speaker 2: the wrong word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hiding him.
Speaker 2: Because yeah, burying to him to me is like to
Speaker 2: make him to the practice squad, which is not what
Speaker 2: the case is with this, right. Hiding him is an
Speaker 2: interesting take. I hadn't thought of that.
Speaker 1: It's not a take, it's a theory.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's an interesting theory. I hadn't thought of that because,
Speaker 2: to me, you have a brand new offense, brand new
Speaker 2: coaching staffer, and new quarterback. You gotta get this guy
Speaker 2: reps now. Could they give him reps once the doors
Speaker 2: closed to practice? Yep, in the end of August theoretically,
Speaker 2: But that's a big question with him and always has
Speaker 2: been with him in the draft. Now after his rookie season,
Speaker 2: it is very abundantly clear that Pop Douglas is a
Speaker 2: dynamic playmaker, both as a route runner and with the
Speaker 2: football in his hands. But at five eight hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty pounds can he can he hold up like durability wise?
Speaker 2: Can you feed him one hundred and twenty five targets
Speaker 2: a year? Is he going to make it through a
Speaker 2: seventeen game season? With that high a volume, because, especially
Speaker 2: on this roster, you'd want to give him that much
Speaker 2: volume because he's the probably the most dynamic player you
Speaker 2: have on offense right now, so you'd want to feed
Speaker 2: him the rock. But is he gonna be able to
Speaker 2: withstand the wear and tear of a season that mays
Speaker 2: to be seen?
Speaker 1: So maybe that's part of the reason why this time
Speaker 1: you just say, hey, man.
Speaker 2: Managing the body blow.
Speaker 1: You're good, You're good, we know what you can do. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll see you when the reporters get out of here.
Speaker 2: I like that theory, So Barmore, we mentioned the illness
Speaker 2: kind of limited a little bit. Today Pop Douglas has been,
Speaker 2: as Alex said, doing wind sprints off to the side
Speaker 2: by himself and having a grand old time with that.
Speaker 2: Apparently Devon Godshad pulled in injury, illness whatever, didn't participate
Speaker 2: to Jay.
Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll see what happens tomorrow. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be like too short sighted on it, but
Speaker 1: it would just be so weird for him to come
Speaker 1: out the first day full and I mean fully participate
Speaker 1: and then say now I'm good. Yeah, Like that's just
Speaker 1: what's the message you're trying to send.
Speaker 2: There fair enough and Martin Mopoo, Marte Mapoo, there we go.
Speaker 2: Also not very active in today's practice. Was pretty active yesterday.
Speaker 2: I felt like or was playing his role of the defense.
Speaker 2: I guess I should say. I'm not necessarily saying he
Speaker 2: made a ton of splash plays or anything like that
Speaker 2: on the ball, but he was out there. He was
Speaker 2: participating today, not as much. That one is still to me.
Speaker 2: And you know, when we talked to jirod Mayo say,
Speaker 2: yesterday before practice, we talked a little bit about Marte
Speaker 2: Mapu and just what's his role and is he a linebacker?
Speaker 2: Is he safety? I feel like they're I don't feel
Speaker 2: like he flat out said that they're asking the same
Speaker 2: questions internally, yeah, about what he is. So that makes
Speaker 2: our show relevant, I guess, because we have this conversation
Speaker 2: once away.
Speaker 1: But here's I'm not sitting here telling you I think
Speaker 1: he is a linebacker. I'm sitting here telling you try
Speaker 1: it and find out. Yeah, and at the very least
Speaker 1: do that. And that's kind of what Mayo said. Now
Speaker 1: he said they'll figure that out when the pads come on. So,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, that doesn't start yet. Maybe just because
Speaker 1: they feel that you can't fully evaluate that position without pads,
Speaker 1: on which he's right. But no, he we've had that, Evan,
Speaker 1: We've had that conversation. Is he a safety? Is he
Speaker 1: a linebacker? I don't know, but you gotta play him
Speaker 1: to find out, right, And it sounds like we're going
Speaker 1: to get some of that, you know, again, like we
Speaker 1: said off top of the show, if they do it
Speaker 1: in the next three or four days whatever, it's really
Speaker 1: once the paths come on that that becomes a little
Speaker 1: more interesting.
Speaker 2: My take on that is kind of evolving, but I
Speaker 2: want to save it because I want to talk about
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones in the slot and that's.
Speaker 1: Going on there. No, but you have a take. Give
Speaker 1: the take.
Speaker 2: I wonder with Marte Mapu if there's not a role
Speaker 2: for him as as a slot as a nickel where
Speaker 2: a lot of teams nowadays are playing more safeties in
Speaker 2: that in that spot on early downs, because you were
Speaker 2: in the fit as a strong side linebacker essentially, like
Speaker 2: that's the new strong side linebacker. There is no more
Speaker 2: strong side linebacker, right like you have in a nickel,
Speaker 2: you have five defensive backs. You're not necessarily playing you know,
Speaker 2: three or four linebackers anymore. So, the nickel or the
Speaker 2: slock corner is point is at the point of attack
Speaker 2: a lot in the run game. So over the last
Speaker 2: couple of years, whether it was Marcus Jones, Jonathan Jones,
Speaker 2: Miles Bryant, the Patriots just haven't had a ton of
Speaker 2: size in that spot and their run defense hasn't necessarily
Speaker 2: taken a huge hit because of it. But I wonder
Speaker 2: if Marte Mophu's destiny on this team is to be
Speaker 2: like a nickel safety where you know, the guy that
Speaker 2: comes to mind for me is Chauncey Gardner Johnson, who's
Speaker 2: probably one of the best added in the league. You
Speaker 2: know at times, I guess you could make the argument
Speaker 2: that Honey Badger plays that type of role as well,
Speaker 2: but it does it a little bit in his own way.
Speaker 2: But you're talking about I like the idea of discussing
Speaker 2: having a bigger body on first, just on early doubts. Sure,
Speaker 2: And now if you play a team that's a spread
Speaker 2: team that's eleven personnel and they have three receivers on
Speaker 2: the field ninety five percent of the time, and they're
Speaker 2: in the gun all the time, like you know, you
Speaker 2: don't need to. Then it's a game plan player against
Speaker 2: these Shanahan Tree offenses that are gonna be heavy, that
Speaker 2: are gonna be under center, that are gonna want to
Speaker 2: run the ball at you, and is somebody that is
Speaker 2: a little bit girthier, a little bit stronger at the
Speaker 2: point of attack. Because I like what I've seen from
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones in coverage in the slots so.
Speaker 1: Far, He's been good.
Speaker 2: He's been one of their better players on the field.
Speaker 2: He's definitely their best man coverage option in that role
Speaker 2: right now to play in the slot. But on first down,
Speaker 2: does he all of a sudden become a target for teams,
Speaker 2: especially teams like Miami the Jets who are running this
Speaker 2: type of offense now with Hackett, Like those teams are
Speaker 2: going to look at that and they're gonna say, we
Speaker 2: are going to put Marcus Jones at the point of
Speaker 2: attack in the run game, and we are going to
Speaker 2: make Marcus Jones defeat blocks and make tackles to set
Speaker 2: the edge of the defense. That to me is not
Speaker 2: gonna end well for the Patriots. So I do wonder
Speaker 2: if Marte mop Who's destiny is a nickel safety, because
Speaker 2: he's not gonna play deep. He's really not gonna play
Speaker 2: the Kyle Duggart rover role either, right, like that that's taken.
Speaker 2: He's blocked to play like a true box safety's there's
Speaker 2: two guys ahead of him on the depth chart to
Speaker 2: play that kind of role, and Jabriel Peppers and Kyle Duggar,
Speaker 2: and they still don't seem totally gung ho about him
Speaker 2: playing at the second level full time.
Speaker 1: Uh real quick. First, Phil Perry tooted out two hours ago.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow Douglas is dealing with a hand injury. So there
Speaker 1: goes my theory. But to your point about Marte Mottswain
Speaker 1: was the right exactly. That's why it wasn't take to
Speaker 1: your point about Martini Mapu, which I think is interesting
Speaker 1: in the in the context of this defense, Like you said,
Speaker 1: they haven't necessarily had that big, strong side run presence
Speaker 1: at the second level, but they play a very They
Speaker 1: have played a very disciplined, edge set aware defense with
Speaker 1: Dietrich Wise or whoever's over there, Lawrence guy. At times
Speaker 1: in the past they had a guy whose primary job
Speaker 1: was to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Anthony Jennings, if you want to go for a route, YEA.
Speaker 1: So now they've talked about playing this more aggressive defense.
Speaker 1: Maybe those guys aren't as concerned with contained and they're
Speaker 1: more concerned about penetrating. If that's the case, now you
Speaker 1: are exposing Jonathan Jones, Marcus Jones, whoever's in the slot
Speaker 1: more and that's where a player like Marte mop who
Speaker 1: could come in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's exactly. We just kind of connected the
Speaker 2: dots for each other because I just feel like, yes,
Speaker 2: against certain matchups, if you're gonna play a team that's
Speaker 2: that deploys a true slot receiver, like I'll just give
Speaker 2: you examples, because it's easier. When you play Buffalo and
Speaker 2: Khalios Shakir is in the slot, you're not gonna have
Speaker 2: Marte Mopho covering Khalios shaker Like. That's that's a bad
Speaker 2: matchup for the Patriots. It's a receiver against the safety,
Speaker 2: slash lineback, whatever you want to call them, right, it's
Speaker 2: a bad matchup. That's a more of a matchup for
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones, or maybe Alex Austin breaks into the top
Speaker 2: three and Jonathan Jones covers Shakira or whatever the case
Speaker 2: may be. But when you get into these Dolphins Jets,
Speaker 2: you know San Francisco, which they'll play this year. Those
Speaker 2: types of teams they are going to run a lot
Speaker 2: more a twenty one or twelve. They're gonna be more
Speaker 2: heavy personnel, and then you can match heavy with heavy
Speaker 2: and maybe be in like a three safety nickel. And
Speaker 2: if you're in a three safety nickel, maybe Marte Mapu
Speaker 2: is your is your third safety as the nickel safety.
Speaker 2: That to me is a really good idea. It's a theory,
Speaker 2: a really good theory for Marte Mapu. He's gotta be healthy.
Speaker 2: Whatever happened with him today, I don't know. And second
Speaker 2: to that, I do think that there is a world
Speaker 2: where that is a somewhat limited role, where it's a
Speaker 2: strictly game plan style thing. And if that's the case,
Speaker 2: then he might only be a thirty thirty five percent
Speaker 2: snap guy at the end of the year, and then
Speaker 2: we're gonna have the conversation of, well, he was a
Speaker 2: top one hundred pick and he's not playing well.
Speaker 1: If he's here, play him where he's gonna help you
Speaker 1: the most, or don't play him if that's what's gonna
Speaker 1: help you the most. Like he's here, we can bemoan
Speaker 1: the draft pick all we want, but in the context
Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty four Patriots, oh well then they
Speaker 1: shouldn't have taken him. Doesn't do anything fair enough, So
Speaker 1: you gotta at this point, it's up to Gerard Mayo
Speaker 1: and DeMarcus Covington to figure out where can this guy
Speaker 1: help us the most or just understand, yes, he was
Speaker 1: a third round pick, but we don't have a role
Speaker 1: for him, so we're just gonna leave him on special
Speaker 1: teams because that's what's best for the football team.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've always just loved Chauncey Gardner Johnson's game. He
Speaker 2: has a good player. I think he's a dog he plays.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got another I'm sure he's a nice guy,
Speaker 1: but he's got another level of angry an a hole
Speaker 1: in him when he's on the field.
Speaker 2: He's a dog. And I feel like the league in
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, has trended in this direction because
Speaker 2: of all these Shanahan inspired teams. You just can't get
Speaker 2: away with having a hundred and eighty pound corner on
Speaker 2: the field in the slot anymore.
Speaker 1: Like well, I even just like I looked him up
Speaker 1: when you said that, and he's listed at toh five
Speaker 1: eleven to eight. I would have guessed he's playing closer
Speaker 1: to to twenty the way he plays.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's I mean, dude, all right really quickly, So
Speaker 2: going back to Antonio Gibson, this is something that we
Speaker 2: have talked about a ton on this show, and you
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago when we were doing one
Speaker 2: of those offseason shows we got we got into a
Speaker 2: discussion about, wow, I care me Evan, I care about
Speaker 2: RB three on this team and has hell frozen over?
Speaker 2: Like what's going on here? Right? Like the RBS don't matter?
Speaker 2: Guy cares about running backs. This is exactly why, because
Speaker 2: for the first two days of training camp, Antonio Gibson
Speaker 2: has not participated. Now, the good news is that girod
Speaker 2: Mayo doesn't feel like it's serious, and he was out
Speaker 2: there today in uniform from briefly stretched then he disappeared
Speaker 2: to the conditioning field. But that does usually signal that
Speaker 2: he's getting closer, right, Like it's not going to be
Speaker 2: a long term absence, like he's not going to be
Speaker 2: out for the year or anything like that, Like he's
Speaker 2: gonna play. So with that being said, though, it has
Speaker 2: opened the door to the fact that they do not
Speaker 2: have a whole lot of proven running back depth behind Rermandra,
Speaker 2: Stevenson and Gibson. So we're back to this whole thing again.
Speaker 2: You know, do they have a guy on the roster
Speaker 2: that we feel like can carve out a role as
Speaker 2: the third running back? Do they have a guy that
Speaker 2: they can keep around, whether it's on the active roster,
Speaker 2: the practice squad, is a fourth running back?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Do they have enough running backs?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: It's really what I'm trying to say, period, And uh,
Speaker 2: something tells me that this might end with Elliot Wolf
Speaker 2: having to get on the horn and calling in a
Speaker 2: veteran running back that has some NFL experience.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. They worked out uh Monday. Do
Speaker 1: you remember to Meetric Felton.
Speaker 2: Yes, So it's funny.
Speaker 1: So we were big to Meetric Felton guys in the
Speaker 1: draft that year.
Speaker 2: We were big, and I was a big Antonio Gibson guy.
Speaker 2: And it's kind of a Spider Man meme situation. They're
Speaker 2: they're pretty similar players.
Speaker 1: They're Felton's much smaller.
Speaker 2: But they're in terms of how they've been were used
Speaker 2: in college. I remember them being pretty similar.
Speaker 1: We kind of Felton was a converted receiver Felton Playnio Gibson. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's right, he was. Yeah, it's just much big. I
Speaker 1: just think it was much bigger as felt and small.
Speaker 1: But he can turn kicks and things like that. And
Speaker 1: he played for Van Pelt for two years in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: So a guy like that, I would take Felton over
Speaker 1: any of the third options they have, unless they want
Speaker 1: just a bowling ball, in which case Felton's definitely not
Speaker 1: the guys like one hundred and eighty pounds is.
Speaker 2: Really that small? I gotta look this up.
Speaker 1: I might be maybe he's I think he's like five
Speaker 1: eight one ninety five ninety five.
Speaker 2: Is what I'm saying. Okay, so yeah, so he's smaller
Speaker 2: than I thought he was. Yeah, okay, so he's he's
Speaker 2: definitely more quick. Yeah, he's definitely more of like a
Speaker 2: scatback type. Yeah, like Antonio Gibson's fast, really fastened a
Speaker 2: straight line is explosive.
Speaker 1: Well, we were talking about Felton in that draft as
Speaker 1: being like a potential James White replacement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it doesn't It doesn't surprise me at all
Speaker 2: that their call was to Demitric Felton for that workout
Speaker 2: when they weren't one hundred percent sure of what was
Speaker 2: going on with Antonio Gibson because I do think stylistically
Speaker 2: they should fit into similar roles within the confines of
Speaker 2: the offense. But I guess it's one of the those
Speaker 2: things of like why not both right? You know, I
Speaker 2: hear you. I mean the way that I've seen it,
Speaker 2: and I you know, I probably haven't done as good
Speaker 2: of a job as tracking this because we've been on
Speaker 2: the air for the first two practices, but it seems
Speaker 2: like Kevin Harris is getting the lion Sharon's Yeah, the
Speaker 2: most three reps right now hasn't been a whole lot
Speaker 2: of Jamichael Hasty Nope as of right now, and it
Speaker 2: hasn't been a whole lot of was.
Speaker 1: It Sean haven't seen him? And then Charrell Jennings on pups.
Speaker 2: Right, So where's our confidence level with Kevin Harris.
Speaker 1: I gotta see him in the pads, come on. I mean,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen much from him, but he's a two
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty pounds downhill running back like it doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter with him till the pass going. He did
Speaker 1: drop a screen today, I think or misplayed a ball
Speaker 1: on a screen, But yeah, you're not throwing him screens.
Speaker 1: He's not on the field to catch screens. He's on
Speaker 1: the field to put his helmet in some guy's chest
Speaker 1: and push him backwards. So we'll see. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: liked the flashes, there's just been so few and far between.
Speaker 1: And that's not his fault. He hasn'ten given a ton
Speaker 1: of opportunities. But where's he at in year three?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: You know, where's his development at? And I just think
Speaker 1: having another option and a guy like Felton would make
Speaker 1: a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: It's a very very small sample size for him in
Speaker 2: the NFL. I think it's seventeen career carries or something
Speaker 2: like that. It's if maybe that was one year. It's
Speaker 2: not a lot and I shouldn't do these things off
Speaker 2: the top of my head anymore because my memory is
Speaker 2: not that great. But he hasn't had a lot of
Speaker 2: carries or opportunities in the NFL. It is.
Speaker 1: Thirty four carries eighteen two years ago, sixteen last.
Speaker 2: Year I had, I was right in the middle. I
Speaker 2: knew seventeen was my average.
Speaker 1: Seventeen carries a year, yes.
Speaker 2: So it's not a small a large sample size, but
Speaker 2: his yards after contact data as a rookie was decent.
Speaker 1: Well, But he had that one run in Arizona.
Speaker 2: He had one run in Arizona. That's probably to that
Speaker 2: brought up the sample size right right. But he's had
Speaker 2: moments and he's had moments in preseason games as well.
Speaker 2: He's not he's not a big play explosive guy. He's
Speaker 2: a bowling ball. He's you know, a big back that's
Speaker 2: going to that's going to run people over. But as
Speaker 2: a between the tackles running back, he should be able
Speaker 2: to get the job done in a pinch. It's not
Speaker 2: it's not a great option. Like I'm not sitting here
Speaker 2: and tell you that they have tremendous running back depth.
Speaker 2: But with the way that we the way that we
Speaker 2: know running back value is equated, is he one of
Speaker 2: those guys that can just get what's blocked right? Like
Speaker 2: I always call it the Ben Jarvis greenellis, like, can
Speaker 2: he just get the four yards that's there and fumble
Speaker 2: and not fumble and every once in a while maybe
Speaker 2: he breaks a tackle or runs over somebody for an
Speaker 2: extra couple of yards and we're in business, Like that's
Speaker 2: all you're really looking for out of that spot. I
Speaker 2: think that's possible. If you're looking for somebody that's a
Speaker 2: little bit more explosive, that's going to be a little
Speaker 2: bit more dynamic, then maybe you're calling Demetric Felton or
Speaker 2: somebody else. Right, So emailer will emails and ask, you know,
Speaker 2: talking about the running backs. A couple of emails about
Speaker 2: these actually outs to us about the running backs and the.
Speaker 1: Only show's gonna talk about I tried to get Felger
Speaker 1: to talk about it last week, so it's like pins
Speaker 1: in his eyes.
Speaker 2: It's one of those things that I've been reluctant to
Speaker 2: talk about it too, because you know how I feel
Speaker 2: about the running game. Yeah, but I have to be honest,
Speaker 2: and that is that they're going to run the ball.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a big part of their offense. Yep.
Speaker 2: I'm not totally gung ho about it, but that's what
Speaker 2: they are going to do.
Speaker 1: You're doing your job, as I always say, it's your
Speaker 1: job having do it.
Speaker 2: And just like in Cleveland, which we've seen in Cleveland
Speaker 2: over the years with Nick Chubb and some of their
Speaker 2: other backs, they drop like flies sometimes and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, you're on, who is that guy that had
Speaker 2: that big Thursday night game in Cleveland a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago that I'm breaking up a God, we should
Speaker 2: remember this, but yeah, you know it's like you you
Speaker 2: pull somebody off the street and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: he's got one hundred and fifty yard game, right like that.
Speaker 2: Those types of guys are important and over the course
Speaker 2: of seventeen games. It's not what you're banking on your
Speaker 2: whole season, but if you need a spot start here
Speaker 2: and there, that needs to happen. He did get some
Speaker 2: carries for them last year, yeah, without but no, not
Speaker 2: the the guy I'm thinking of is not your own
Speaker 2: form is a couple of years ago. It wasn't last year.
Speaker 2: I was like, I think it's two or three years ago.
Speaker 2: But the emailer asks a question that I feel like
Speaker 2: we've been asked a million times about running backs, and
Speaker 2: that that's Kareem Hunt. And yes, he does have the
Speaker 2: experience in Cleveland with alex Van Pelton. It's a it's
Speaker 2: a it's an obvious connection, but I still remain skeptical
Speaker 2: that organizationally, Kareem Hunt is going to be of interest.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, it was to Ernest Johnson, AAF Legends, the Orlando.
Speaker 2: Apollos Dearrenis Johnson on Hunt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, there's organizationally doesn't make a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. I've read some things. I don't know how
Speaker 1: much I believe them. I've seen a couple people list
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb as like a surprise camp cut. What right.
Speaker 1: I don't know where that's coming from.
Speaker 2: That's what happening.
Speaker 1: I mean, it shouldn't even be twenty four hours before
Speaker 1: he's here. If that happens, that's not happening. I'm telling
Speaker 1: you what I saw.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. That's not the best running backs in the league.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I don't know if they're thinking, like new offensive
Speaker 1: coaching staff and he's coming off the knee and whatever's.
Speaker 2: Coming off one of the more gruesome knee injuries we've
Speaker 2: seen in the last couple of years in the league.
Speaker 2: Like that was brutal injury that he had, so maybe,
Speaker 2: I mean, do you remember that it came out at
Speaker 2: like I don't know if it was him or somebody else.
Speaker 2: I got ahold of the of the X ray and
Speaker 2: the MRI I from that knee injury, and it's just
Speaker 2: like a n No, I'm pretty sure that was real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people are talking about him as like a potential
Speaker 1: trade candidate. And that's wild A couple of places.
Speaker 2: That's wild.
Speaker 1: Well, that's they'd be dumb do it. They'd be dumb
Speaker 1: to do it, like I wouldn't count on it. That
Speaker 1: shouldn't be plan a.
Speaker 2: No, they it's an honest, fair question to have about
Speaker 2: their running back depth.
Speaker 1: I'll give you one while we're on this, all right,
Speaker 1: So they're not gonna I don't think they're gonna move
Speaker 1: on from Chubb. Maybe he opens the season on pup. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but you know they have Jerome Ford, solid player,
Speaker 1: they have daunt the foreman, solid player, Like they are
Speaker 1: kind of deep. There a running back behind him, Naim
Speaker 1: Hines as they have me. He's on a five they have. Um,
Speaker 1: you call about Pierre Strong or if he gets cut
Speaker 1: like they had, Pelt clearly wanted him.
Speaker 2: It's a better fit.
Speaker 1: It's a better fit.
Speaker 2: It's a better fit. This is the offense that they
Speaker 2: drafted Pierre Strong.
Speaker 1: I would absolutely take Pierre Strong back if that opportunity
Speaker 1: put himself and he was decent for them last year.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised they made a couple of plays
Speaker 1: with them last year. Elliot Wolf Macroe still here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty two draft class. That was the offense that they
Speaker 1: drafted him and Cole Strange and taikwad Thornton to be
Speaker 1: a part of was to be more outside zone heavy,
Speaker 1: and that's told they were trying to do that with Patricia.
Speaker 1: It's possible. That's a good call like that. That's probably
Speaker 1: if he's fallows out of favor there, if he's a
Speaker 1: cut candidate, could they retrade him back to the Patriots,
Speaker 1: you know, like obviously for a very minimal compensation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but something along those lines. Not a bad shout, Not
Speaker 1: a bad shout. All right, let's take some of these
Speaker 1: phone calls and then we'll get to some of our
Speaker 1: other practice notes. I just want to point out there's
Speaker 1: no other show, there's no other Patriots show that's gonna
Speaker 1: go forty minutes nowhere without talking about the quarterbacks. We
Speaker 1: went forty minutes without even mentioning Drake May's name. I
Speaker 1: think I think I talked about him very briefly.
Speaker 2: That that's what we do here. We talked about the
Speaker 2: third running back and the nose tackle, and.
Speaker 1: You can maybe linebacker safety and.
Speaker 2: Us trying to you know, put our our coaches hats
Speaker 2: on and talk about Martin Hapu's role and you can
Speaker 2: save your quarterback talk. That's what we take it. Elsewhere.
Speaker 1: Where's our awards?
Speaker 2: All right? Matthew is in Virginia? What's up, Matthew? Matthew? Hello, Hey,
Speaker 2: how's it going right?
Speaker 3: Can you hear me?
Speaker 2: Yes? Go for it.
Speaker 3: So I just have two questions for you guys. The
Speaker 3: first one is, uh, did you guys see Gonzo? Was
Speaker 3: he looking good out there today? I know he's coming
Speaker 3: off that shoulder injury, but you know, if he's he's
Speaker 3: looking good, I have a lot of faith he can
Speaker 3: be a top five corner. And the second thing is,
Speaker 3: I'm actually going to college this year. I just graduated
Speaker 3: high school. I'm going into college for journalism. I'm hoping
Speaker 3: to be a sports journalist. Do you guys have any
Speaker 3: tips for maybe a new starting sports journalist or want
Speaker 3: to be beat reporter?
Speaker 2: Thanks, guys, thanks for the call, Matthew. So we'll answer
Speaker 2: both questions that The first question with Christian Zaz, he's
Speaker 2: been out there and participating in full, which is for
Speaker 2: right now is all I wanted to see.
Speaker 1: It's all you gotta say. And I asked him about
Speaker 1: that after practice today. Just with that, you know, is
Speaker 1: it nice to be back out there. So it's the
Speaker 1: best feeling in the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So and he's moving well and all that. Like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to downplay. I mean, he had a
Speaker 1: serious injury, but upper body injuries, lower body injuries, they're different,
Speaker 1: especially for corners.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's been healthy for quite some time. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so he he's good to go. He looks pretty smooth
Speaker 2: out there. I would say he's probably still getting his
Speaker 2: sea legs a little bit. You know, he's let up
Speaker 2: a catch in front of him to Jalen Polk today.
Speaker 2: Not anything to like panic about or anything like that,
Speaker 2: but I I feel like, you know, in terms of
Speaker 2: just getting back into the swing of things. You know,
Speaker 2: he's gonna maybe be a beat behind, But for right now,
Speaker 2: the most important thing is that he's physically out there,
Speaker 2: looks the part, looks like Christian Gonzalez moving around grade
Speaker 2: and is healthy and that's the most important thing, all right, quickly,
Speaker 2: one piece of advice.
Speaker 1: Uh, don't say no to any opportunity. Nothing's blow you,
Speaker 1: nothing's too small, nothing's whatever, or even just the more
Speaker 1: you're saying yes, people know that all right, I can
Speaker 1: count on this person. He's available, he's willing all that.
Speaker 1: So I remember coming back from spring break Evan Ethic
Speaker 1: of college and getting a text that they needed somebody
Speaker 1: to fill a six twenty six am sports update shift
Speaker 1: on the radio. This is like a five minute shift.
Speaker 1: You read a report, you're done, and I said yes,
Speaker 1: because that's just what you do. And afterwards somebody say, hey,
Speaker 1: you don't really appreciate you filling in for that, Like
Speaker 1: we noticed that things like that, So uh, never, the
Speaker 1: word no should not be a part of your vocabulary professionally.
Speaker 2: You walk that walk by the way, because you're on
Speaker 2: like seventeen different podcasts.
Speaker 1: This is my second or four shows to Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not advice or somebody going into college. This is just
Speaker 1: life advice for this field.
Speaker 2: You walk that walk for sure. Like sometimes I even
Speaker 2: ask you, like why are you doing this show? And
Speaker 2: it's because somebody asked me that's why. Yeah, you're you're
Speaker 2: a better man than me. My one piece of advice.
Speaker 2: I would say, I got great advice from somebody once
Speaker 2: that I tell you probably heard this seventeen times, but
Speaker 2: they said, you know, they asked me like, who's who's
Speaker 2: somebody that currently has a job that you would want,
Speaker 2: that you emulate, you know, that you look up to.
Speaker 2: And at the time I said, I said Reese, And
Speaker 2: I said, you know, I want to be a Patriots
Speaker 2: beat reporter. I want to be Mike Greece. And he
Speaker 2: said to me, well, then be Mike Greece. And I
Speaker 2: was like, what are you talking about, Like, I don't
Speaker 2: work for ESPN. I can't, I'm not credentialed, like I
Speaker 2: can't just but his point was kind of fake it
Speaker 2: till you make it, Like no one really knows what
Speaker 2: you're doing until you do it, you know. And and
Speaker 2: so there's no rule book, there's no playbook on like
Speaker 2: how to be a beat reporter. There's no real guideline
Speaker 2: or you know whatever. He said to just watch what
Speaker 2: Reese does, and.
Speaker 1: It's great advice.
Speaker 2: Trying to do what he does.
Speaker 1: It's great advice. And it's you know, something I alway
Speaker 1: think about. You know, how they say dressed for the
Speaker 1: job you want, not the job you have. Yeah, dressing
Speaker 1: act like it. Yeah, I mean do the job you
Speaker 1: currently have too, But you know, act act the way
Speaker 1: you want. Have about Reese, by the way he's been
Speaker 1: doing videos with some of those like, you know, younger
Speaker 1: kids who are trying to get into this at camp. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that, you know, our buddies act. I saw
Speaker 1: us out there in Carlos. That's awesome, man, Good for them,
Speaker 1: Good for him.
Speaker 2: He looks like he's been hitting the gym a little bit.
Speaker 1: He does.
Speaker 2: He's in shape.
Speaker 1: Talk about we always do to coming who's who came
Speaker 1: into camp in shape, who looks like they're they're in good.
Speaker 2: Shack, best shape of his life there, I say, Mike.
Speaker 1: That's that's how we do it. That's usually the euphemism.
Speaker 2: All right, Colleen is in Houston. What's up Colleen?
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, can you hear me?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: So I was thinking about like what I want or
Speaker 4: expect from this season. And I don't expect playoffs. I
Speaker 4: don't think most people do. But some people during up
Speaker 4: two thousand and one and like that was a phenomenon.
Speaker 4: It'll never happen again, especially to the team it already
Speaker 4: happened for. But I was thinking about what I would
Speaker 4: consider a successful season, and for me, I want to
Speaker 4: see my team win. But if we get a great
Speaker 4: draft pick and we can trade back and get a
Speaker 4: left tackle and a wide receiver. Somehow finagle that that
Speaker 4: would be a great year for me. But like last
Speaker 4: year when we beat the Broncos, I was all on board,
Speaker 4: like I was super happy. So I'm curious, is there
Speaker 4: a number of wins or a draft to position that
Speaker 4: you would consider a successful season? And then very quickly go, Matthew,
Speaker 4: you sound super wholesome. I believe in you. And also
Speaker 4: I'm pissed that Joe alt is becoming a right tackle
Speaker 4: because he was such a good left tackle.
Speaker 2: The good point like a way, Okay, thanks for the
Speaker 2: great call.
Speaker 1: Colling nailed it on Joe Walton. What the hell is
Speaker 1: horrible I doing?
Speaker 2: Are we sure Jim Harbad knows is like all there? Like,
Speaker 2: are we sure that he's going to be good at this? No?
Speaker 1: No, I don't think he is.
Speaker 2: Did you see that he was wearing cleats out to
Speaker 2: practice like he's listening him up.
Speaker 1: I don't remember if it was on this show. I
Speaker 1: was on a show.
Speaker 2: He's worrying me a little bit.
Speaker 1: And I dropped this take. No, this is I said
Speaker 1: this on the Sports I think I was on with
Speaker 1: Joe Murray. You want a hot take for the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four NFL season, Jim Harbas thinks Jim Harbaugh's won
Speaker 1: and done.
Speaker 2: Oh one and done.
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh's won and done, whether he's not good enough
Speaker 1: or he just realizes I don't want to do this.
Speaker 1: I want to go back to college because it's a
Speaker 1: very different.
Speaker 2: Game, it's a different animal.
Speaker 1: I think Jim Harbaugh's won and done in LA just.
Speaker 2: Some of the things, you know, the Joe All things,
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. Now they have ever shown Slater,
Speaker 2: who's one of the best left tackles in the league. Right,
Speaker 2: So it's it's hard to.
Speaker 1: Trade down, Yeah, I mean trade down draft Fuanga, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Some of the reports at the time that they tried
Speaker 2: or that was sort of I feel like that was
Speaker 2: the playoff.
Speaker 1: Well, if they couldn't get anybody to take the fifth
Speaker 1: overall picked didn't try hard enough.
Speaker 2: Well, all the quarterbacks were gone. So what you're not
Speaker 2: trading up for J. J. McCarthy or Pennixons. Yeah, I guesslie.
Speaker 2: Neighbors went six, right.
Speaker 1: I meant to say neighbors. Somebody wanted the neighbors wanted
Speaker 1: to jump the Giants from nobody wanted Joe allt you
Speaker 1: have a franchise left ackle sitting there. Yeah, nobody wanted
Speaker 1: Joe all And and to to Colleen's point, to go
Speaker 1: to another part of that question, what's a successful season, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's a win total or a
Speaker 1: specific draft pick number, because I said this last year, like,
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as too many wins. They have
Speaker 1: to build a competitive culture. You don't want losing to
Speaker 1: become habitual. And the reality is they're in a position
Speaker 1: where they should be able to move around the draft
Speaker 1: board as they need. They're probably gonna end up with
Speaker 1: the top ten pick. There's two stud tackles we think
Speaker 1: in this draft, and Will Campbell and Calvin Banks. You
Speaker 1: see Will Campbell put up six sixteen on squad rack
Speaker 1: with a wink. He might be special. He might be special. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But anyway, and look, if they walk out with Will
Speaker 1: Campbell or Kelvin Banks, that'd be great. If they can
Speaker 1: move up and take a receiver at that point, you
Speaker 1: might just be better off trading that second round pick
Speaker 1: for a veteran receiver. But yeah, I don't think there's
Speaker 1: like a number which a successful season to me is
Speaker 1: growth And I know that sounds like corporate and people
Speaker 1: might cringe at that, but I mean it, especially when
Speaker 1: it comes to Drake May. I got this weird question
Speaker 1: in a mail bag the other day, and I thought
Speaker 1: it was a good thought experiment and it's lacking context.
Speaker 1: But the question was, would I rather see Drake May
Speaker 1: play four really good games and get hurt or play
Speaker 1: eight meg games and end of the year.
Speaker 2: Healthy like a Joe Burrow situation.
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, to which I said, well, if the
Speaker 1: eight games are so so, but he's still getting better
Speaker 1: throughout them, I would rather that than four games and
Speaker 1: he gets hurt because season any injury. Who knows what
Speaker 1: that means for his future league. I just need to
Speaker 1: see him be better at the end than they're at
Speaker 1: the beginning, especially the way this team has fallen off
Speaker 1: late in the season the last few years. So you know,
Speaker 1: if they went in four games, but two of those
Speaker 1: wins are in December, you you might feel good about that.
Speaker 1: You might feel good about that going into the offseason.
Speaker 1: Who did that a couple of years ago?
Speaker 2: Detroit, Detroit, they were They got a little bit hotter
Speaker 2: than just that. They They ended the year I think winning,
Speaker 2: They almost made the playoffs. They they they fumbled the
Speaker 2: bag at the end of the year to make the
Speaker 2: playoffs if I remember correctly. So they they won like
Speaker 2: I don't know, seven or eight games. I want to say,
Speaker 2: again doing things off the top of my head that
Speaker 2: I shouldn't do. But that's the team that I look at.
Speaker 2: Everybody wants to be the Texans last year. That's probably
Speaker 2: a little lot.
Speaker 1: That's the apex.
Speaker 2: But Detroit a few years ago now built totally different, right,
Speaker 2: they traded for their quarterback and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: But Detroit a few years ago, they were on the up.
Speaker 2: They finished the season on a high. They just barely
Speaker 2: missed out on the playoffs. And then they came back
Speaker 2: last year and we're one of the best teams in
Speaker 2: football right wired to wire.
Speaker 1: So I mean, again, just be better at the end
Speaker 1: than the are at the beginning. That goes for Trake.
Speaker 1: Maybe that goes for the team as a whole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that, Gerrod Mayo and I want to
Speaker 2: look up this Detroit thing because it's.
Speaker 1: Back as you look it up, even going back to
Speaker 1: twenty one. A lot of people and I was not
Speaker 1: in this group, so and people have taken a victory
Speaker 1: lap on this recognizing what the fall off at the
Speaker 1: end of the twenty twenty one season was. You had
Speaker 1: what looked like a successful season with the rookie quarterback
Speaker 1: and it turned out to be a little fools goal.
Speaker 2: So they won nine games. Detroit in twenty twenty two
Speaker 2: didn't make the playoffs though, and.
Speaker 1: Right they lost to the or No. They played the
Speaker 1: Packers in the Sunday night game, but they something else
Speaker 1: happened earlier in the day was supposed to be for
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and they knocked the Packers and then it
Speaker 1: was it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then in twenty twenty three. Of course, last
Speaker 2: year they go twelve and five make it to the
Speaker 2: end NFC Championship game, so that that that's definitely another path.
Speaker 2: But in terms of successful season, I agree with you
Speaker 2: that it's not necessarily on wins and losses, and it's
Speaker 2: probably something that we're gonna see and feel more than
Speaker 2: it's going to be tangible of they won eight games,
Speaker 2: they won nine games. But I thought Geron Mayo had
Speaker 2: a great answer to the question about this exact question
Speaker 2: on Tuesday what is a successful season when he said
Speaker 2: it that we've laid a foundation that this year is
Speaker 2: all about laying a foundation, just like that Detroit team
Speaker 2: did in twenty twenty two where they won nine games.
Speaker 2: That was a found They knew that they had built
Speaker 2: a foundation, that we were going in an upward trajectory.
Speaker 2: I hope that the Patriots are doing the same thing.
Speaker 2: It might not be as fruval like. They might not
Speaker 2: get to nine wins, maybe it's only four or five wins,
Speaker 2: but you want to come off the year feeling like
Speaker 2: they're building towards something in a positive way, and that
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Speaker 2: of the New England Patriots Quarterbacks. So a little bit
Speaker 2: of a development today with Joe Milton, your boy. How
Speaker 2: do you feel about that, Alex, Yeah, I mean so Bazuka.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get too much.
Speaker 2: He doesn't like Bazuka, so we need a different No.
Speaker 1: What we came up with it the other room.
Speaker 2: The Manhattan Project, the Manhattan Project. That's right.
Speaker 1: You thought he's gonna be a secret the Manhattan Project.
Speaker 1: We're going to let him throw in front of people.
Speaker 1: The Manhattan Project is moving up to depth chart, so
Speaker 1: I don't think he is. I'll tell you what I
Speaker 1: think today was.
Speaker 2: You think they're gonna rotate?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's how they're going to maximize the
Speaker 1: reps for Jacoby Brissett and Drake May is that third spot.
Speaker 1: One day it will be a Zappy day. One day
Speaker 1: will be Milton day. Now, maybe I'm wrong, Maybe we
Speaker 1: come out tomorrow it's Joe Milton again. But if I'm
Speaker 1: as much as I see Joe Milton throw the ball
Speaker 1: and he was humming it today, I thought too much
Speaker 1: on some of those Yeah, he had he had won
Speaker 1: a Kwan Baker. They took Kawad Baker's fingers off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he went down to the books as a drop.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I think that's how they're gonna split the rep. Because
Speaker 1: I've said this, you still want to rep Joe Milton.
Speaker 1: I understand the priorities are Drake May's development and getting
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett ready for the season, and those should be
Speaker 1: the priorities. So it should be the heavy priorities. But
Speaker 1: you can't just let you invested. It's a six round pick.
Speaker 1: He invested something in Joe Milton. You can't just let
Speaker 1: him sit there and do nothing. And for what it's worth,
Speaker 1: you have other guys that are, you know, in their
Speaker 1: equivalent spot in the depth chart that you want to rep,
Speaker 1: and maybe you don't want your top quarterbacks throwing into
Speaker 1: those guys. There'd be reasons for that. So you do
Speaker 1: need a third quarterback, You do need somebody in that role.
Speaker 1: But rather than going third than fourth, it maximizes the
Speaker 1: opportunities for May and Bersett to just alternate Zappi and
Speaker 1: Milton each day.
Speaker 2: I would like to see a little bit more touch
Speaker 2: on some of those underneath throws from Joe Milton.
Speaker 1: He did have one good touch throw but I don't
Speaker 1: know if I don't know if it exists. No, he
Speaker 1: did have one today.
Speaker 2: No, I know, but I don't know if it like consistently.
Speaker 1: Right, They needs to do it more. Yeah, he needs
Speaker 1: to do it more.
Speaker 2: But with that being said, and he hasn't necessarily uncorked
Speaker 2: the deep ball yet, like we haven't seen one of
Speaker 2: those sixty five yards in the air type throws. But
Speaker 2: he did have a throw today. It was a bootleg
Speaker 2: and we'll get to some of the disasters on some
Speaker 2: of these bootlegs. But he bootlegged and there's a defender
Speaker 2: right in his face and he just kind of flicked
Speaker 2: the ball out to the sideline. I think it was
Speaker 2: as to one of the tight ends. Might be it
Speaker 2: was a Michael Peedaway or Jahane Bell, and it was
Speaker 2: like effortless, Like that's not it should not look that easy,
Speaker 2: right that on a line feet not said, dude in
Speaker 2: your face, just kind of drop the arm angle and
Speaker 2: just flick the wrists and the ball just jumps out there.
Speaker 2: It shouldn't look that easy. It does for Joe Milton.
Speaker 2: Let's start with Jacoby Brissett though, or let's continue.
Speaker 1: No, we started too late. We started with Joe Milton,
Speaker 1: you made that decision.
Speaker 2: I know what Jacob PRIs said. I said earlier on
Speaker 2: PU and I'm getting getting some flak for you know me,
Speaker 2: sometimes I say things a little bit too strong that
Speaker 2: I don't actually need to come out as strong as
Speaker 2: as I said it. I said that nobody cares about
Speaker 2: Jacoby were set And again, I promise you done of
Speaker 2: the things I say on here are personal to the player,
Speaker 2: to the person. But frankly, we're out here watching these
Speaker 2: practices to evaluate Drake May and evaluate the entire thing
Speaker 2: in the prism of Drake May be in the future
Speaker 2: and potentially maybe the present sooner rather than later. So yes,
Speaker 2: Jacoby Pressett has a role on this team. He has
Speaker 2: an important role as both a potential bridge quarterback and
Speaker 2: as a mentor. But with these practices, more than anything,
Speaker 2: this is about Drake May because we don't know come
Speaker 2: September when we might see Drake May next. Right, this
Speaker 2: is our chance to actually evaluate Drake May and see
Speaker 2: Drake May in a large exposure. We might get into
Speaker 2: week one of the regular season and we might not
Speaker 2: see him for another two months, and we don't get
Speaker 2: to watch practice like we watch practice in training camp.
Speaker 2: Once the regular season comes around, we have that, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe ten minutes. You know, maybe Drid will be a
Speaker 2: little bit more generous with our in season practice time,
Speaker 2: but we're not gonna see team drills during practice, right
Speaker 2: so that's this is our opportunity to soak in all
Speaker 2: the Drake may as we possibly can. What have have
Speaker 2: been your impressions, you know, with that being said, what
Speaker 2: have been your impressions so far of what you've seen
Speaker 2: from Jacob?
Speaker 1: Ever said, So, I mean just steady, just kind of
Speaker 1: what I expected he makes. There's some place he's made
Speaker 1: that he had, you know, a good off platform throw
Speaker 1: the other day. But when the pressure's turned up, it's
Speaker 1: it's been a bit more of a struggle for him.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what he is. That's kind of
Speaker 1: what he's been. Not a ton of surprises from him.
Speaker 1: I think you're more or less getting what you expected.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I feel too, And part of me
Speaker 2: feels as though it's it feels a little not I
Speaker 2: think underwhelms the wrong word, but just like meh about
Speaker 2: it because there's nothing really exciting about the offense what
Speaker 2: Jacoby were said, and maybe it's more just like the
Speaker 2: allure of the unknown with Drake May, and it's the
Speaker 2: whole mystery box saying right like there could be more
Speaker 2: upside there, not could there will be more upside there
Speaker 2: with the Drake May box. But what Jacoby was said, yes,
Speaker 2: there are times, probably pretty more frequently than Drake May,
Speaker 2: that things are on time, and the offense probably runs smoother,
Speaker 2: and he's in and out of the huddle probably a
Speaker 2: little bit smoother at this stage, and you know, the
Speaker 2: ball the throws are more on time and all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, but it just lacks any sort of
Speaker 2: danger or explosion or like a playmaking ability. Like his
Speaker 2: best throw so far is probably on that I throw
Speaker 2: up to se him to Austin Hooper yesterday, they'll stick
Speaker 2: nod route, you know, sit down and then break it
Speaker 2: up the seam. He made a nice throw fitted between
Speaker 2: a couple of defenders. Right, he's hit, He's hit some
Speaker 2: underneath stuff that's been on time and in rhythm and
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff Like those are the types
Speaker 2: of things that you want and you see and the
Speaker 2: coaches probably value that more than we do because they
Speaker 2: know that this is what it's supposed to look like, right,
Speaker 2: like this is the in rhythm offense, this is the
Speaker 2: scripted offense, whereas with Drake May, there's just always this
Speaker 2: appeal of he could just do something like anything that
Speaker 2: you're not expecting, Like he could throw a fifty yard
Speaker 2: bomb down the sidelines to Jalen Rager, like that could
Speaker 2: just come out of nowhere. I'm not expecting that to
Speaker 2: come out of nowhere at any time, which Kobe was said,
Speaker 2: so for lack of a better word, because it's not
Speaker 2: coming to mind right now, meh, Like it's it's kind
Speaker 2: of boring, I said, steady, But but it's kind of boring.
Speaker 1: It's boring in a good way because it's what you want.
Speaker 1: You want a guy that's just gonna get you, to
Speaker 1: Drake May. And I think another thing is we've heard
Speaker 1: a lot of players talk about what a resource Jacoby
Speaker 1: Burssett has been to help them learn Alex Van Pelts offense.
Speaker 1: So in that sense, I mean, I think you're getting
Speaker 1: what you wanted out of him, and he's doing his
Speaker 1: job right. The play was never for him to come
Speaker 1: in and win an MVP if he doesn't be great,
Speaker 1: But the play was never for him to come in
Speaker 1: win MVP. The planners him to come in and keep
Speaker 1: the seat warm and help everybody get help Drake maner,
Speaker 1: but he else get adjusted to this new offense and
Speaker 1: just simply having a new quarterback, and so far, I'd
Speaker 1: say that's what he's done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I Again, there's something to be said
Speaker 2: for all the things that you're saying, of course, and
Speaker 2: then there's something to be said for the offense probably
Speaker 2: running more on script or on time comparatively speaking to
Speaker 2: some of the other quarterbacks. Yeah, there's more of those
Speaker 2: plays that I feel like when they hit it, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: Like that's how it should look on a Sunday. He
Speaker 2: made a throw to today, to Taekwon Thorton, for example,
Speaker 2: his play action five step play action drop and he
Speaker 2: comes off it at the top he kind of went
Speaker 2: up in the pocket like he stepped through the pocket
Speaker 2: because there's a little bit of pressure coming off the
Speaker 2: edge there. Yeah, steps through the pocket back, you know,
Speaker 2: gets back into the phase, throws the football. Taekwon Thorton
Speaker 2: comes out of his brake balls right there, and you're like, okay,
Speaker 2: that's a Sunday throw. Like that's a Sunday play and
Speaker 2: those types of plays are encouraging from Jacoby brissaid, there's
Speaker 2: just there's already it already feels like they're swimming upstream
Speaker 2: because of other avenues of the offense, like the receivers,
Speaker 2: the offensive line. It feels like the passing game sometimes
Speaker 2: is fighting it as it is to make yards and
Speaker 2: when the quarterback is really more just managing the situation
Speaker 2: more than anything. That that also just kind of gets
Speaker 2: what we got today, which is just a lack of
Speaker 2: big play flash, Like there's just no flash to it.
Speaker 2: There's also something, you know, to be said with Jacob Brissett,
Speaker 2: I would say, you know, as we go through this
Speaker 2: offensive line situation, which we'll get to in a second,
Speaker 2: that it hasn't been good and if it's gonna be
Speaker 2: like this, then all those people that we're calling in
Speaker 2: and you know, the conversations that we've had over the
Speaker 2: last couple of months about do they need to sit
Speaker 2: Drake may just because of the offensive line play, if
Speaker 2: this is how the offensive line is gonna look in
Speaker 2: pads and the answer that question might be yes, like
Speaker 2: we might be everyone might have been right about that.
Speaker 2: Right now, we need to wait a little bit. Let's
Speaker 2: get to the main event, though, let's get let's talk
Speaker 2: a little bit about Drake May. I think the biggest
Speaker 2: thing that I've seen with Drake May that's so encouraging
Speaker 2: or just just catches the eye. The ball absolutely jumps
Speaker 2: out of his hand. There's no question about that. He's
Speaker 2: got easy cheese, like he's got easy velocity with the football.
Speaker 2: I thought today was in on perfect display because yesterday
Speaker 2: he had the downfield throw to Rager and it might
Speaker 2: have been a tiny bit overthrown, but it's a catchable
Speaker 2: ball because he got it. There was one hand to catch. Great.
Speaker 2: The catch was better than the throw, but it was
Speaker 2: still an example of that arm talent that you see.
Speaker 2: But to me, it's even it's not even necessarily the
Speaker 2: deep ball. Today he made a throw on an incut
Speaker 2: to Jalen Polk towards the end of practice where it
Speaker 2: looked a little bit like an RPO to me, some
Speaker 2: sort of play action we're talking about that figure it was.
Speaker 2: I thought it was an RPO because he kind of
Speaker 2: delayed it, like he held the mesh point a little
Speaker 2: bit longer than a regular play action pass would look
Speaker 2: and he just he takes out the football, he keeps
Speaker 2: the ball, and it's just a sleight of hand of
Speaker 2: just being able to then transition into throw. He doesn't
Speaker 2: have to step into it. He doesn't need to actually,
Speaker 2: you know, climb the pocket or anything like that. And
Speaker 2: it's just like on a line in between a couple
Speaker 2: of guys. To Jalen Polk, those drive throws, those middle
Speaker 2: of the field drive throws, that's a breath of fresh
Speaker 2: air man. They haven't had a quarterback that's been able
Speaker 2: to do that since Brady Ticket. Actually drive the football
Speaker 2: through the middle of the field and throw the ball
Speaker 2: into some traffic, but have it really be not a
Speaker 2: danger ball, like, have it actually be a good throw
Speaker 2: but in a good decision by the quarterback. Those drive
Speaker 2: throws are super encouraging to me because that that is
Speaker 2: exactly what you're you weren't able to access with Mac
Speaker 2: Jones was ten plus yards down the middle of the
Speaker 2: field like he was never Mac never really was able
Speaker 2: to master that to me and uh and Jacoba, Jakoby
Speaker 2: Drake may has been able to do that already. He
Speaker 2: made the throw yesterday to Juju on the bootleg where
Speaker 2: he you know, comes off the bootleg. Juju's crossing from
Speaker 2: left to right and off platform, you know, in the air,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of on the move, just makes another
Speaker 2: throw on the line to Juju with just easy v
Speaker 2: lo on the ball. Those are the types of throws
Speaker 2: that I look at. I'm like, in terms of arm, talent, athleticism, ability,
Speaker 2: he's checking all the boxes of a number three overall pick. Like,
Speaker 2: we're not going to be asking ourselves does he just
Speaker 2: not have it physically to cut it into the NFL.
Speaker 2: He's got that in droves. Now it's just about him
Speaker 2: catching up mentally, like is he gonna be able to
Speaker 2: get them in and out of bad plays at the
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage? Is he going through his progressions properly?
Speaker 2: You know, those types of things are gonna be the
Speaker 2: bigger questions for this coaching staff because the guy throws
Speaker 2: a pretty ball like he throws a pretty ball and
Speaker 2: he's got some heat on it.
Speaker 1: So my big takeaway from Drake May through the first
Speaker 1: two days really this was yesterday, is uh, he's here
Speaker 1: to compete. And some people may hear that and be like, well, yeah, duh,
Speaker 1: he's a professional. But no, it's so easy for a
Speaker 1: rookie to come in and just all right, well, I
Speaker 1: don't want to screw up, screw up. I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: what's there. I'm gonna take what's safe. I don't want
Speaker 1: to mess up. I don't want anybody to, you know,
Speaker 1: think anything is bad. Whatever, blah blah blah. No I
Speaker 1: he came out slinging it. He came out he's testing
Speaker 1: tight windows, He's testing deep parts of the field, and
Speaker 1: that comes with mixed results, and you want to clean
Speaker 1: that up. But part of the reason it's good he's
Speaker 1: doing that is all right, He's gonna figure out here
Speaker 1: in camp. Okay, this works, this doesn't. If I want
Speaker 1: to do this, I have to do it this way,
Speaker 1: or this needs to be done you know, quickly or whatever.
Speaker 1: Like he came out aggressive, he came out with no fear,
Speaker 1: and that's what you want to see from a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1: He does not in terms of the mentality of it.
Speaker 1: He does not look like a rookie.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Like I said, there's some within that they have to
Speaker 1: clean up. But I would rather he make those mistakes
Speaker 1: now and learn now and test things now, and then
Speaker 1: when he gets to week one he has all that
Speaker 1: information versus he's playing it very safe and then Suddenly
Speaker 1: Week one, there's two minutes to go. They need to
Speaker 1: go eighty yards for a touchdown. Well, I can't take
Speaker 1: the checkdowns. Now what do I do?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So when I talk, we talked off the top of
Speaker 1: the show about the approach means more to me than
Speaker 1: the results at this point of camp. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. Hill. You hope he irons out and figures
Speaker 1: out exactly where his limitations lie in terms of testing
Speaker 1: certain windows and certain certain parts of the field.
Speaker 2: He has a ton of confidence, he does, and that's
Speaker 2: I don't want that confidence to go away. Like that's
Speaker 2: the thing is.
Speaker 1: Well, you have to hone it. You have to hone it,
Speaker 1: and you know, learn from it and be realistic. But
Speaker 1: he's where I like his confidence is he's not afraid
Speaker 1: if I throw a pick, it's all over, right, Jacoby's
Speaker 1: going to be the starter. Oh yeah, right, he's not
Speaker 1: afraid to throw a pick in this setting.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I hope when he gets to the game he doesn't
Speaker 1: have quite that same approach and he kind of learns,
Speaker 1: all right, this is what worked, this is what didn't.
Speaker 1: But he's fine experimenting in practice because he knows, okay,
Speaker 1: this is the only way I'm going to be able
Speaker 1: to figure these things out.
Speaker 2: So maybe we're arguing semantics, and I'm not really been
Speaker 2: arguing with you. But the film nerds, the Twitter, film coaches,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call us, what we would call
Speaker 2: what you're describing is arm arrogance. And if I'm the Patriots,
Speaker 2: and if I'm gid Mao and and I'm Elliot Wolf
Speaker 2: and all the Patriots brass, the last thing that I
Speaker 2: want to do is coach arm arrogance out of Drake May.
Speaker 2: I would so much rather him continuing to be arrogant
Speaker 2: af rip it, grip it and rip it baby, like,
Speaker 2: don't don't hold him back, because yeah, they're gonna be mistakes, right,
Speaker 2: and maybe he turns the ball over and maybe he
Speaker 2: makes a bad throw here or there. But there are
Speaker 2: quarterbacks on the flip side that have that type of
Speaker 2: arm arrogance that are just have that like I'm going
Speaker 2: to fit this ball into any type of window that
Speaker 2: for the most part it kind of works like they
Speaker 2: kind of get away with it. Well, but that's you
Speaker 2: have to.
Speaker 1: But I think the guys that really do that at
Speaker 1: an elite level know what they can and can't get away.
Speaker 2: With maybe to an extent you'd have to ask them, like,
Speaker 2: I don't know where the line is necessary, But I
Speaker 2: look at quarterbacks and I know you're going to tell
Speaker 2: me that he stinks. But like Josh Allen, Jordan Love Herbert,
Speaker 2: those types of guys that have this kind of arm
Speaker 2: talent I put like I'm not gonna put my homes in.
Speaker 2: The conversation is different stratsphere, but those three guys are
Speaker 2: the guys that come to mind when I think about
Speaker 2: Drake may just from a skill set standpoint and from
Speaker 2: a tool standpoint, and all three of those guys still
Speaker 2: have don't lose that like they don't. They have all
Speaker 2: the confidence in the world that they can hit any
Speaker 2: blade of grass, and I would just rather roll with that,
Speaker 2: Like so, okay, maybe he does have some Josh Allen
Speaker 2: turnover issues early on in his career, so be it.
Speaker 2: Like he'll learn from it, you know, and he'll get But.
Speaker 1: That's my point, learn from it because there are some
Speaker 1: guys that don't there are some guys that can. And
Speaker 1: this goes to something Jott and Mayo talked about yesterday,
Speaker 1: which I thought was great because this was always a
Speaker 1: big bill Belichick tenant, and one of the things that
Speaker 1: maybe didn't get talked about as much as is, you know,
Speaker 1: you can make a mistake. Guys are gonna make mistakes
Speaker 1: in camp. It's gonna happen. Don't make the same mistake twice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: make the mistake, learn from it, apply it. And that's
Speaker 1: basically what I'm saying, Like, just you can't put don't
Speaker 1: keep trying to test the same throw that's clearly not.
Speaker 2: There, fair enough, but you can't put trading wheels on
Speaker 2: the gunslinger, like, don't take the gun slinger out of him,
Speaker 2: because then what ends up happening is you end up
Speaker 2: getting and granted the physical tools weren't there for Mac,
Speaker 2: but like you end up getting something like Max rookie season,
Speaker 2: which for the most part we know now was kind
Speaker 2: of an aberration.
Speaker 1: But I guess what I'm saying is like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: I I don't know. We disagree on this. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a good thing for quarterbacks to throw interceptions.
Speaker 1: You don't care, but you know it's.
Speaker 2: A it's a give and take though, because no, it's
Speaker 2: inherently it's not good for quarterbacks to throw interceptions. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, if the quarterback is also just
Speaker 2: not be aggressive and testing windows down the field, then
Speaker 2: you're not gonna be a productive offense.
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying is he's doing it in practice,
Speaker 1: and I like that, and I'm sure he'll do it
Speaker 1: in the game, but coming from the ACC playing a
Speaker 1: bunch of week defenses where he could pretty much do
Speaker 1: whatever he wanted, he's got to relearn there are limitations,
Speaker 1: and he can test those limitations, but he's got to
Speaker 1: learn limitations. And I like that he's doing that because
Speaker 1: it would be easy for them to put the training
Speaker 1: wheels on in practice, and he clearly feels he has
Speaker 1: the freedom to experiment and do what he needs to do.
Speaker 1: It's just none of that matters if you continue to
Speaker 1: be overly wild in the games. I guess is my
Speaker 1: point fair enough?
Speaker 2: And I also just feel like this was something that
Speaker 2: they did with Mac that I in hindsight, because all
Speaker 2: we can do now, and I know it's easy for
Speaker 2: us to sit here in hindsight and wag our fingers,
Speaker 2: but all we can do now is learn from the
Speaker 2: Mac Jones experience and what went wrong with his development,
Speaker 2: And there's a million things that it contributed. But one
Speaker 2: of the things that I feel like they can learn
Speaker 2: from with Mac jo Zones is that you can't completely
Speaker 2: coddle a guy. And I feel like a a rookie season,
Speaker 2: they had such they had him so buttoned up.
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, that's clearly not the case here that you.
Speaker 2: Can't coddle him, right, Like, I hope that when they
Speaker 2: put Drake May, whether it's week eight, week nine, week fifteen,
Speaker 2: I don't care. I hope when Drake May finally takes
Speaker 2: over that they just kind of let him loose. And
Speaker 2: if he throws three picks in a game and they
Speaker 2: lose because he's a little bit too arrogant, then that's
Speaker 2: when you coach him to rate it back in. But
Speaker 2: don't go into games. Remember with Mac his rookie year,
Speaker 2: he didn't throw a ball into the end zone for
Speaker 2: like the first movie. Yeah, Like, don't go into games
Speaker 2: like that, Like let him play through it, like let
Speaker 2: him make mistakes, let him learn on the fly.
Speaker 1: I hope they do that differently, well, I guess so
Speaker 1: to bring it all together. They're doing that in camp. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because even in camp that year, it felt like Mack
Speaker 1: was relatively controlled. This feels like they told Drake may be, Drake,
Speaker 1: may make the throws you want to right, and we'll
Speaker 1: react to them after. If they're good, great, If not,
Speaker 1: we'll tell you they're not. We'll tell you to stop
Speaker 1: making them. But or we'll tell you no, do it differently, right,
Speaker 1: throw this ball in this spot and put it on
Speaker 1: the back shoulder instead of the front shoulder, however they
Speaker 1: want to qualify it. It does feel like they're giving
Speaker 1: him the free and this is what I like. They're
Speaker 1: giving him the freedom to test things, and he's taking
Speaker 1: that freedom and making the most of it.
Speaker 2: I've also been pretty impressed with Drake Mays. I thought
Speaker 2: that we would have more of those like WTF throws
Speaker 2: than we've had, and not necessarily turnovers, but just throwing
Speaker 2: balls ten yards over guy's heads and like some of
Speaker 2: the stuff that we saw on tape with him at
Speaker 2: North Karrigine and in the spring where he would just
Speaker 2: like totally lose the ball right, like he would just
Speaker 2: lose control of the football. He had one throw over
Speaker 2: the middle today to Jaheim Bell that was off, and
Speaker 2: he had one yesterday that it felt like he got
Speaker 2: pressured in his lap and kind of threw a dirt
Speaker 2: ball over the middle to Kaishan Boody. But for the
Speaker 2: most part, he's been generally accurate, which I think is
Speaker 2: encouraging because I thought that we were going to see
Speaker 2: some like I remember, I keep going back to Josh Allen,
Speaker 2: but remember Josh Allen's rookie year when he would just
Speaker 2: throw the ball like ten yards over his dude's heads
Speaker 2: on the sideline. But yeah, it was like Landen, like
Speaker 2: the first row. And I'm not exaggerating. Zach Wilson used
Speaker 2: to do it all the time too, And you're just
Speaker 2: and you're just like, what the heck was that? Like,
Speaker 2: where is that going? I haven't really said Matt to
Speaker 2: myself too often with him.
Speaker 1: That's one where let's see when the pads come on,
Speaker 1: he's facing a live rush.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe it would be up a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's again, I'm more interested in this point in
Speaker 1: the approach, not so much the results. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: not to protect him to say he's bad. If anything,
Speaker 1: I'm probably taking something away from him. He's been good,
Speaker 1: But I just like the approach. I I just liked it.
Speaker 1: He's been fearless.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he sees that single high safety and he's
Speaker 2: he's hunting like he's not.
Speaker 1: That's me playing Madden.
Speaker 2: You you put that single high safety over the top
Speaker 2: of Drake May, and you better cover the receiver as
Speaker 2: well because he's going in the field.
Speaker 1: Now do that when there's a two hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: pound pass rusher in your face. Yeah, I guess, is
Speaker 1: my point. But he he has been afraid so far,
Speaker 1: so so far, so good.
Speaker 2: Last thing on the quarterbacks really quickly. This whole thing
Speaker 2: to me still is annoying. It's still a charade to me,
Speaker 2: like there's I just can't envision a world where where
Speaker 2: we're at right now with Drake May. To me, is
Speaker 2: he's on a climb up the mental mountain, right. Can
Speaker 2: he call plays in a huddle? Can he go through progressions?
Speaker 2: Can he audible? Can he get again? And can he
Speaker 2: be at a high enough mental level that he can
Speaker 2: function without it being in a disservice to him to
Speaker 2: put him out there. I can't envision a scenario where
Speaker 2: they have eleven more training camp practices that are that
Speaker 2: are open to the public. There'll be a couple more
Speaker 2: that will be just for the media. Then they'll have
Speaker 2: three preseason games we have about six weeks to go
Speaker 2: in this process, and I just can't imagine that in
Speaker 2: six weeks from now he's not going to be at
Speaker 2: a baseline level to be able to call a play
Speaker 2: in a huddle or go through an NFL progression. I
Speaker 2: just don't understand what we're doing here with talking about
Speaker 2: it any differently than the door being wide the heck
Speaker 2: open for him to take this job week one because
Speaker 2: we can all sit there and watch it through two
Speaker 2: days and through the spring and all that and say
Speaker 2: it's not gonna be physical, like, it's not gonna be
Speaker 2: arm talent, it's not gonna be any of those types
Speaker 2: of things. This is clearly about whether or not Alex
Speaker 2: Van Pelt feels like he has a mastery of the offense,
Speaker 2: it's at a good enough level to play in an
Speaker 2: NFL game, or it's about all the other stuff we've
Speaker 2: been talking about, the offensive line, the receivers, whatever. But
Speaker 2: for Drake may just in a vacuum. I don't see
Speaker 2: any reason why he can't be the Week one starter,
Speaker 2: because I feel like mentally he'll get there in the
Speaker 2: next six weeks. Like they have plenty. They have so
Speaker 2: much time between now and the regular season to get
Speaker 2: him mentally ready. I just I find it so hard
Speaker 2: to believe that he won't be And so therefore, if
Speaker 2: we get to the point where Cincinnati's around the corner,
Speaker 2: we're really talking about it being other stuff, like, you know,
Speaker 2: other things.
Speaker 1: Because it's not going to be his your Your whole
Speaker 1: point is outside of the reasons he wouldn't start, I
Speaker 1: can't see why he wouldn't start.
Speaker 2: Basically, I can't. I can't see why he wouldn't start
Speaker 2: because of Drake May.
Speaker 1: If you want to make he'll be ready, whether or
Speaker 1: not the situation is ready is another question.
Speaker 2: That And because that's the only point that you could
Speaker 2: make that I could honestly hear and be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I accept that as a point. If you're telling me
Speaker 2: that he's not ready to play an NFL game because
Speaker 2: we don't feel like he can call a play in
Speaker 2: a huddle, well then I would say to you, well,
Speaker 2: what the heck have you been teaching him for the
Speaker 2: last three months.
Speaker 1: Well, let's see again, let's see what he looks like
Speaker 1: when he has pass rushers in his face. And it's
Speaker 1: a little early to say that. I don't you're not
Speaker 1: necessarily wrong. I just think it's a little early to
Speaker 1: be that pounding the table for it.
Speaker 2: But in you, what do you think is going to change?
Speaker 2: I guess so drastically.
Speaker 1: I just want to see how he handles pressure before
Speaker 1: I'm willing to say he's like I I he's on track.
Speaker 1: He's on track. Yeah, I just like you said off
Speaker 1: the top of the show, it's two practices. They haven'ty
Speaker 1: put pads on yet. We haven't seen real football. Let's
Speaker 1: see that before we go exclaiming, because that was that
Speaker 1: was a bit of an exclamation, right, I said before
Speaker 1: My take wasn't a take. It was a theory. That
Speaker 1: wasn't a take. That was a That was a proclamation
Speaker 1: from Evan Lazar.
Speaker 2: Yes, my proclamation is that Drake may should be this
Speaker 2: team's Week one starter. I'll say it now.
Speaker 1: Can I watch him in a fully padded practice.
Speaker 2: You can watch him in practice, But just to be
Speaker 2: to be fair, I would have told you on draft
Speaker 2: night that he should be the week one So.
Speaker 1: I remember we were out there in the spring. You're
Speaker 1: he threw a pick and he said, nope, he's still
Speaker 1: a Week one starter. He's the best quarterback on the team.
Speaker 1: So what are we doing, Like, are we not going
Speaker 1: to play the best players? Or we are we going
Speaker 1: to be the best player? That's where the other even
Speaker 1: if that does end up being the case with him,
Speaker 1: there are the other factors because we can get to
Speaker 1: the offensive line have an I don't feel great neither
Speaker 1: my third overall pick investment behind what we saw today.
Speaker 2: He's the best quarterback on the team. I would have
Speaker 2: told you that on April twenty six.
Speaker 1: So then let's not get killed.
Speaker 2: Okay, So along those lines, let's talk about the offensive line.
Speaker 2: Offensive line play in general, line play either side, sitting
Speaker 2: here and evaluating it in non padded practices. I'll make
Speaker 2: the comparison again. I think I made it in the spring.
Speaker 2: It's a lot. What they're doing at this point is
Speaker 2: like paying playing defense in basketball. They're just trying to
Speaker 2: slide their feet and maybe there's like a little bit
Speaker 2: of hand checking, but we're really not hand checking, and
Speaker 2: we're just trying to keep ourselves in between the pass
Speaker 2: rusher and the quarterback. That scenario that I just spelled
Speaker 2: out for you ten times out of ten is going
Speaker 2: to favor the pass rusher. It just is. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: when you also add in the pass rusher is Matthew Judon,
Speaker 2: Josh Ucha, who's a guy that has double digit sack
Speaker 2: season in his NFL career, Christian Barmore yesterday, Like, these
Speaker 2: guys are are good pass rushers on top of that.
Speaker 2: So I don't want to evaluate the line necessarily because
Speaker 2: I don't want to get two in the weeds of
Speaker 2: shorts and a T shirt and offensive line and blocking.
Speaker 2: But that being said, what I'm seeing out there with
Speaker 2: the offensive line right now, and why I'm still not
Speaker 2: hitting the panic button just yet, is because a lot
Speaker 2: of it to me seems assignment and like execution based
Speaker 2: in terms of, you know, there's a pressure today where
Speaker 2: they tried the bootleg and Matthew Judon just didn't bite
Speaker 2: on the bootleg. Now, Matthew John's a really good player.
Speaker 2: Maybe he sees it from a mile and he doesn't
Speaker 2: bite on the bootleg against anybody. But there's really no
Speaker 2: threat of the run game right now because they're not
Speaker 2: in pad, so they're not running the football, they haven't
Speaker 2: set it up, they haven't they're not sequencing plays together
Speaker 2: right So in a lot of ways, it just feels
Speaker 2: like it's predictable and Matthew Judon stays home and he's
Speaker 2: right in the quarterback's face, and that's that. And on
Speaker 2: the one hand, you might look at that and you're like,
Speaker 2: oh god, you know, here we go. Right, the offensive
Speaker 2: line's a mess. And there's another one. I think it
Speaker 2: was Dietrich Whise that came through unblocked. Again. They were
Speaker 2: trying to move the pocket a little bit, and they
Speaker 2: just didn't get it fitted up properly, like they weren't
Speaker 2: hat on the hat properly with it, and oh god,
Speaker 2: here we go. Get right. So I'm willing to be
Speaker 2: a little bit patient with it, but I can't deny
Speaker 2: the priors, which were that this was what everybody thought
Speaker 2: was gonna be the issue. And two days into camp
Speaker 2: today especially felt like a jail break on every other
Speaker 2: drop back.
Speaker 1: And I'm with you, I don't want to necessarily evaluate
Speaker 1: line play without pets. I think that's excited. But like
Speaker 1: I've said a few times during the show, let's not
Speaker 1: look at the results, Let's look at the approach. Yesterday
Speaker 1: it was Calvin Anderson Caden Wallace right tackle. Today it
Speaker 1: was Cade Wallas in Venerian Low. Well, you've seen Calvin
Speaker 1: Anderson play both sides chooks A corfour still on the
Speaker 1: left side. I will evan if you'll allow me for
Speaker 1: a second, because I'm curious if you saw this evaluate
Speaker 1: one performance based thing. A core four still looks a
Speaker 1: little uncomfortable getting back into a set at left tackle.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he doesn't entirely look like he is, Like
Speaker 1: once he gets back, he looks, it looks normal, but
Speaker 1: there's like a period there where his weight doesn't look bad,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: He's got a little hitch.
Speaker 1: Not even that. It's just I don't defeat tied. I
Speaker 1: don't know the defeet are tied to the upper body
Speaker 1: right leaning now.
Speaker 2: To be fair, he he's kind of an unorthodox passbocker
Speaker 2: as it is, and he's one of those guys on film,
Speaker 2: even on the right side that it doesn't always look pretty.
Speaker 2: But he's somehow.
Speaker 1: And he's still learning it. Like, yeah, you can look
Speaker 1: look off balance the first day at camp all you want,
Speaker 1: as long as you get it figured out by week one.
Speaker 1: So but to get back to the point of the approach.
Speaker 1: So we've seen three different right tackles Mike on Win
Speaker 1: who still isn't kicked outside. We've seen Calvin Anderson getting
Speaker 1: ready to play bull Spots Mike go on Win who
Speaker 1: told us yesterday he was asked about playing right guard
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, I'm happy to do whatever.
Speaker 1: But we're going to be doing different groupings throughout camp.
Speaker 1: Chukes the coorp for says today there's gonna be new
Speaker 1: offensive lines every day. That's where I'm worried. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about Evan that seeing it through
Speaker 1: the same eyes, that's the Dante scarnekism, right. One of
Speaker 1: those five guys that see it through the same eyes
Speaker 1: are on the same page and know where everybody is
Speaker 1: and it helps them and especially in zone blocking, that's massive.
Speaker 1: See it through the same eyes, How are you gonna
Speaker 1: build that chemistry? And I don't think they. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, all twenty days of camp will be twenty
Speaker 1: different groups. But I think the plan is probably for
Speaker 1: the first week or two, try a bunch of different
Speaker 1: groups and see what sticks. Yeah, and that's your hope.
Speaker 1: In that early time you find one maybe that narrow
Speaker 1: it down to two or three and then they rotate.
Speaker 1: But it's gonna make it real. And the one thing
Speaker 1: they do seem to have figured out and we'll see
Speaker 1: maybe tomorrow, Mike. When one is at right tackle, I
Speaker 1: don't know. They seem to be sticking with four guys
Speaker 1: and okor four remains a question in terms of can
Speaker 1: he actually play on the left side, But he'll be there.
Speaker 2: I feel as though we were at the point with
Speaker 2: the Corps four for I'm almost done saying who's at
Speaker 2: left tackle, because it's a core four.
Speaker 1: He's gonna start the season there. Whether or not it
Speaker 1: works out and they can stick with him will be
Speaker 1: a question, But he's the left tackle. He's the left
Speaker 1: tackle to start season. But that how are you gonna
Speaker 1: build the chemistry? How are you gonna get five guys
Speaker 1: to see through the same eyes when you're not consistently
Speaker 1: having the same five guys out there. So that's what
Speaker 1: really concerns me about the offensive line. I said a
Speaker 1: bunch they are going to have to find a combination,
Speaker 1: and obviously finding a combination means it's not gonna be
Speaker 1: the same five guys out there every time. This is
Speaker 1: the spot they've put themselves in. So I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk out both sides of my mouth and say
Speaker 1: too many line combinations, but at the same time say, well,
Speaker 1: you gotta figure out which combination works. But there does
Speaker 1: need to be a happy medium there, and really, once
Speaker 1: the pads come on, they need to maybe iron it
Speaker 1: out to two or three combinations and say, all right,
Speaker 1: this is our favorite. We're gonna ride this as long
Speaker 1: as we can until it doesn't work, then we'll go
Speaker 1: to the next one. But I don't know how long
Speaker 1: you can do a different combination every day before you're
Speaker 1: just spinning your tires.
Speaker 2: Well, I do feel like they on need change from
Speaker 2: a day to day. That's gonna be major as who's
Speaker 2: playing right tackle.
Speaker 1: So I it looks that way through two days.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only reason I wonder about that is Mike and Win, who,
Speaker 1: when asked about specifically playing right guard, said we're gonna
Speaker 1: have different combinations every day. And I just wonder if
Speaker 1: we haven't seen the Mic and Win who write tackle
Speaker 1: combination And yet.
Speaker 2: So my whole thing just scratching it because it's it
Speaker 2: drives me nuts. You hate this. I hate the fact
Speaker 2: that I feel lied to by the organization. This is
Speaker 2: about Walls, this is about Mike on winno. Oh. I
Speaker 2: feel lied to because when they drafted, you know, it
Speaker 2: was right around the draft. It might have been his
Speaker 2: pre draft press conference that they do every year with
Speaker 2: Elliott Wolf. He said somewhere. It might have been the
Speaker 2: Adam Schefter podcast. I'm sorry, I'm rambling.
Speaker 1: Are you talking about when he said when it was
Speaker 1: going to be the right tackle.
Speaker 2: He said somewhere that they signed the best right tackle
Speaker 2: available in free agency.
Speaker 1: I think that no, because the combine was before free agency.
Speaker 1: That was at Yeah, he was talking about on Winter's contract.
Speaker 1: That might have been a pre draft thing.
Speaker 2: He said that they had signed the best right tackle
Speaker 2: on the market, that they believe that they signed the
Speaker 2: best right tackle on the market.
Speaker 1: He wasn't wrong. If they're planning the right tackle.
Speaker 2: He Then they then get to the spring Mike on Wen,
Speaker 2: who stood at the podium, I wrote the story, so
Speaker 2: I remember the headline. Mike on Wen, who preparing to
Speaker 2: start the season at right.
Speaker 1: Tackle, said that was the plan, and there was a
Speaker 1: reply I think rap sheet or somebody reported that the
Speaker 1: plan was for him to play right tackle like he
Speaker 1: signed to play right tackle.
Speaker 2: We get to the first freaking day of training camp,
Speaker 2: Day one of training camp, and what we've all been saying,
Speaker 2: and I'm not doing this to Pat myself on the back.
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you that it was the obvious thing.
Speaker 2: If we knew it, it was obvious. We had all
Speaker 2: been saying. This doesn't feel great. I don't feel great
Speaker 2: about this. Mike on Wen, who is more of a
Speaker 2: guard than he is a tackle. He's built like a guard,
Speaker 2: he's not a tackle. The first freaking day of training camp,
Speaker 2: he's back at guard, and he's been at guard two
Speaker 2: days in a row now, and he ended the spring
Speaker 2: at guard. So you didn't sign the best right tackle
Speaker 2: in free agency. You signed the best guard in free agency,
Speaker 2: and I don't want It's not about the money, because
Speaker 2: he's still compensated.
Speaker 1: Okay, he's the second highest paid guard or the fourth
Speaker 1: highest paid right tackle in football.
Speaker 2: It's not bad. The money's not bad.
Speaker 1: He's top five at his position, whatever his position is, and.
Speaker 2: He's damn good. So it's not bad money and it
Speaker 2: will keep on. The next guy will top him. The
Speaker 2: next guy will top that. The belly in Denver has
Speaker 2: already gotten more money than Mike one who did. Okay,
Speaker 2: So it's not about the contract. I don't care about
Speaker 2: the contract. What I care about is getting an offensive
Speaker 2: line that's functional and if they had approached it with
Speaker 2: the through the prism of we need to replace both tackles,
Speaker 2: because they went into into the draft thinking they needed
Speaker 2: just a left tackle because Mike on Winning was going
Speaker 2: to be their right tackle, and it never felt right
Speaker 2: to me. It never passed the sniff test that he
Speaker 2: was going to be a full time right tackle. Then
Speaker 2: he also came into the spring and into the summer
Speaker 2: still looks the same, didn't slim down at all, didn't
Speaker 2: get ready to play tackle at all. He's gonna play guard.
Speaker 2: They're gonna put him at guard, and they're gonna I
Speaker 2: have a giant gaping hole at right tackle and a
Speaker 2: huge question mark on cheeks the core where I left tackle. Now.
Speaker 2: The one thing that is I'm holding out hope for
Speaker 2: is that by the end of the summer, maybe Caden
Speaker 2: Wallace jumps Calvin Anderson and Vederian Low and they have
Speaker 2: something in Caiden Wallace to be the starting right tackle.
Speaker 2: Like maybe they hit on that pick right and now
Speaker 2: he's just starting right tackle.
Speaker 1: That's realistic. I like well, and I know, I you know,
Speaker 1: kind of complained about the plan to play Wallace at
Speaker 1: left tackle, but I like him as the right tackle.
Speaker 1: There's a solid pick if the plant's playing right tackle.
Speaker 1: By the way I found the tweet, this was Ian Rappaport.
Speaker 1: A couple of days after the on winn new contract
Speaker 1: became official. I actually quoted the team tweet of own
Speaker 1: wind who signing the contract. He said, note on Michael
Speaker 1: and Winnu, who signed a three year, fifty seven million
Speaker 1: dollar deal during free agency. He's expected to be the
Speaker 1: Patriots starting right tackle moving forward. Sources say the planners
Speaker 1: for the extremely versatile player to finally settle in on
Speaker 1: the right side. He is settling in on the right side.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's settling in on the right side, all right,
Speaker 2: don't just I don't care he on top of this.
Speaker 2: I don't care where he plays.
Speaker 1: And I don't see what the think do you say?
Speaker 1: Okay drives me nuts. Just be honest. He's a guard.
Speaker 1: Be honest about it. Do you think they lied here
Speaker 1: or do you think they truly believed he was going
Speaker 1: to play tackle until they got out there in the
Speaker 1: spring and saw what their guard situation was.
Speaker 2: I'm even more worried if the fact that, if the
Speaker 2: fact is is that they thought he was going to
Speaker 2: hold up at tackle. That makes me even more worried.
Speaker 1: But did they move Did they move him because you
Speaker 1: know him?
Speaker 2: Yes, you know?
Speaker 1: Did they move him because they don't like what they
Speaker 1: have a guard?
Speaker 2: That's crazy. You don't move the better player. The better
Speaker 2: player plays where he should play.
Speaker 1: They've moved the better player before.
Speaker 2: Okay, but you shouldn't do that. Okay, I don't disagree.
Speaker 2: You don't see the Dallas Cowboys going into training camp
Speaker 2: and saying we don't have a right tackle, so let's
Speaker 2: move Zach Martin too. Right tackles. Zach Martin's a left guard.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be a left Guard's gonna go to Hall Famous.
Speaker 1: But they've moved the better player.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well that's also dumb, Like he just don't tell
Speaker 2: me he's a tackle. If you and then get into
Speaker 2: training camp on day one and have him playing guard,
Speaker 2: it's it's silly, it's nonsense.
Speaker 1: Well look it did I think. I think this is
Speaker 1: the plan, but I don't know. I there's there's multiple conversations,
Speaker 1: and now the plan needs to be he's the right guard,
Speaker 1: so that's where he is.
Speaker 2: I'm with you.
Speaker 1: And then that makes it a lot easier because instead
Speaker 1: of doing different configurations Essentially all we have is the
Speaker 1: right tackle battle. If you know Chukes of Korp four
Speaker 1: is going to start the season, that left growing pains
Speaker 1: and all of that. Well, that's not necessarily different combinations,
Speaker 1: and it's just Kayden Wallace, Calvin Anderson, Darian Lowe. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if they throw Tyrone Wheatley in there
Speaker 1: at some point, like it's just a bat. It's just
Speaker 1: a position battle or right tackle, and I can live
Speaker 1: with that. It's not ideal, but you're seriously banking on
Speaker 1: Chuokes of cor four working out.
Speaker 2: But I live with that that. You have to live
Speaker 2: with that because that the chus. Yes, I understand that
Speaker 2: that that that's happened.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go watch Will Campbell squat more after
Speaker 1: after we just but it's me, I'm tell and we
Speaker 1: have to do a show again. We don't know, we
Speaker 1: don't know by the time. Maybe these are the only
Speaker 1: couple combinations we're seeing. I'm still not rolling out. There's
Speaker 1: a conversation combination waiting Friday, Monday whenever where Mike when
Speaker 1: winds at right tackle and it's they used a fourth
Speaker 1: round pick on a guard. These one hundred third overall
Speaker 1: pick on a guard that's a player you would expect
Speaker 1: to start.
Speaker 2: That would concern me. I'd be even more worried if
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, now they're gonna they'd put Mike
Speaker 2: on Wnu at right guard in a non padded practice
Speaker 2: just to kick them back outside to right tackle like that.
Speaker 2: That just doesn't make anything.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying not all of a sudden, it's they
Speaker 1: essentially haven't scripted day one, this is a combination, Day two,
Speaker 1: this is the combination. Day three, this is the combination date.
Speaker 2: Well, that goes back to your point, that is that's
Speaker 2: that's asking for trouble. Yeah, you gotta stick with one.
Speaker 1: Well, what's so what they have five practices before pads Wednesday, Thursday,
Speaker 1: Friday at four. So maybe the plan is we're gonna
Speaker 1: try four different combinations and then whichever one we think
Speaker 1: that's the best shot. That's who were putting out their
Speaker 1: Tuesday for bads.
Speaker 2: So my other concern about all of this is that
Speaker 2: to your point, because they don't have cold strange right now,
Speaker 2: they don't love their guards.
Speaker 1: I don't think not having cold strangers exacerbating this issue.
Speaker 2: By the way, I think it might be because if
Speaker 2: they feel like cold Strange is solid, is good, then
Speaker 2: when he comes back, he goes back to left guard,
Speaker 2: city goes back to right guard on when it goes.
Speaker 1: Too many pieces at that point, play everybody where they're
Speaker 1: gonna play, and just find Cold Strangers back up. That.
Speaker 2: This is my point though, is like I would not
Speaker 2: be surprised if we get into let's say Cold Strange
Speaker 2: comes back at the gate and we gave well, now
Speaker 2: cold Strange is back, so we're gonna we're gonna go
Speaker 2: to this line, and now all of a sudden, halfway
Speaker 2: through the year, you're changing the line.
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is, if they know that's the
Speaker 1: plan right now, they should be working with Mike go
Speaker 1: and Winuitt tackle and just okay, who's gonna hold down
Speaker 1: left guard until col Strange comes to Backus's Nick Leverett,
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, whoever.
Speaker 2: You're it's a non padded practice. Just put Nick Leverett
Speaker 2: in there for just the time being as a placeholder,
Speaker 2: right like that. If that's what the plan was, If
Speaker 2: that is the plan, that's what they should be doing.
Speaker 2: But instead what they're doing is they're putting Mike on
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: I don't think they know what the plan is. I
Speaker 1: think the plan for this week is to figure out
Speaker 1: what the plane is when the pads come on. Jeez,
Speaker 1: all right, we knew it's going to be bad. But
Speaker 1: what I was hoping was is coming into camp there
Speaker 1: wouldn't be all these musical chairs. I was hoping that
Speaker 1: we were going to get into camp. And besides, maybe
Speaker 1: right tackle because of Kid and Wallace, Like Kiden Wallace
Speaker 1: is a rookie and he's going to come along slower
Speaker 1: than maybe they had a placeholder there for him, like
Speaker 1: Calvin Anderson yesterday when they came out and Calvin Anderson
Speaker 1: was the right tackle. Yeah, I said, placeholder.
Speaker 2: Cool, All right, fine, you know it's the same thing
Speaker 2: with Jacobe bres said, right like, if we have a placeholder,
Speaker 2: they have a bridge and then eventually they're going to
Speaker 2: pass it.
Speaker 1: The rookie win the job. That's a perfectly fine get
Speaker 1: that approach at any position.
Speaker 2: But now you know they're moving pieces around already with
Speaker 2: Vederian Lowe playing right tackle, and this this is how
Speaker 2: you get yourself into trouble. Pick a five. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: not gonna be great on paper. It's they're not gonna
Speaker 2: be the the you know, nineteen ninety whatever Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 2: right like, they're not gonna be awesome on paper, but
Speaker 2: pick a five, stick with the five and let's roll.
Speaker 2: Like this whole musical Chairs act is gonna get them
Speaker 2: into trouble. Now that being said, Calvin Anderson, I did
Speaker 2: want to touch on him briefly. Had a good chat
Speaker 2: with him, first of all, Like I just kind of
Speaker 2: hope that he makes it because he's super nice, nice,
Speaker 2: been through a yeah, like been through an absolute ton
Speaker 2: and he's like just genuinely a good a good dude.
Speaker 2: From my interactions that I've had with him, he would
Speaker 2: I asked him straight up about playing in an outside
Speaker 2: zone scheme, and you would have thought that I like
Speaker 2: just gave him, you know, a PS five on Christmas morning,
Speaker 2: right like his face just like lit up. He was
Speaker 2: like this is I love this, Like this is the
Speaker 2: offense I want to play in, Like this is all awesome,
Speaker 2: Like this is this is built for me. So I
Speaker 2: really am cautiously, cautiously optimistic that he could hold down
Speaker 2: that spot for the time being until Caden Wallace comes back.
Speaker 2: It does fit him. He's an athletic guy. He's a
Speaker 2: you look at it, go back and look at his
Speaker 2: combine testing numbers as rass relative athletic score is high.
Speaker 2: It was like nine something, I want to say, or
Speaker 2: maybe is eight eight high eight slow, nine something around there.
Speaker 2: He's an athletic dude. He can move, he can move latterly,
Speaker 2: He's got all the tools to be able to block
Speaker 2: in this system. So I'm cautiously optimistic that he might
Speaker 2: be in a much better place this time around right
Speaker 2: and that could maybe hold his water a little bit
Speaker 2: with the with the right tackle spot. But I'm with
Speaker 2: you one hundred percent. Like they have to pick a five,
Speaker 2: and they I just want to see on Monday be
Speaker 2: dialed into five guys, and I don't want it to change.
Speaker 2: Like the good teams, the good lines, they have a
Speaker 2: starting five, and barring injury, that doesn't all training camp,
Speaker 2: it's the same five dudes.
Speaker 1: I mean, be open and changing if it doesn't work.
Speaker 1: But I get what you're saying, like pick a group,
Speaker 1: give him a week and see what that looks like.
Speaker 2: And if in Detroit they're not having this conversation, they
Speaker 2: know the five guys, they've known the five guys all
Speaker 2: off season.
Speaker 1: I think the same five guys from last year, right,
Speaker 1: and they and.
Speaker 2: There's no question of like is this guy a guard
Speaker 2: a tackle and is that guy gonna play? Is this guy?
Speaker 1: No? No, well I'm not. You're talking about a team
Speaker 1: that's been building its roster for years versus a team
Speaker 1: that's in year one.
Speaker 2: I'm it's different. No, I'm not saying that the Patriots
Speaker 2: personnel should be on that level. I'm just saying that
Speaker 2: I said earlier that I wanted to be Mike Grease,
Speaker 2: so I just acted like Mike be the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 1: I like the Detroit I'm fine if they want to
Speaker 1: have a battle at one position. If you want to
Speaker 1: battle it right tackle and make Calvin Calan, Caten Wallace
Speaker 1: win the job, fine, like, but just the best right
Speaker 1: start start coming up with some continuity. God, I mean,
Speaker 1: he still probably was even play a guard.
Speaker 2: He's still all that. That whole thing was all bogus.
Speaker 2: All right, that's all I'm saying. I've talked a little
Speaker 2: bit about that. Let's let's talk about some of the
Speaker 2: receivers quickly here, and then we will talk some defense.
Speaker 2: I promise. I know we've been pretty offensivy, pretty.
Speaker 1: Usual non padded practice.
Speaker 2: So first, the first thing I wanted to I wrote
Speaker 2: down I wanted to talk about was just Jalen Polk's
Speaker 2: overall involvement. It's it hasn't been that he hasn't been
Speaker 2: lighting up practice or anything like that. Uh, but he's
Speaker 2: clearly somebody that they see as an immediate contributor. I
Speaker 2: think that's safe to say. And he's gotten a ton
Speaker 2: of targets and he's caught a few of them, Like
Speaker 2: it hasn't been a complete over and he's involved heavily.
Speaker 2: So I feel like they look at Jalen Polk and
Speaker 2: there's been some rumblings from inside the building that they're
Speaker 2: pretty uh bullish on what they've seen from Jalen Polk
Speaker 2: so far. It seems like he's going to be a
Speaker 2: guy that's going to be in the mix right away. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wrote yesterday that the big takeaways he seems to
Speaker 1: have the early trust of the coaching staff. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: they're give him opportunities and it's like you said, he's
Speaker 1: made the most of or not made the most of it,
Speaker 1: but he's he's made some plays. There's a couple of
Speaker 1: plays maybe he's left on the table. He was on
Speaker 1: the wrong side of a really good pass breakup from
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones today. But Marcus Jones, Marcus Jones, thank you.
Speaker 1: But he's he's out there. He's out there. He's heavily involved,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's gonna change anytime soon. Trod
Speaker 1: Meyellio Wolf talked at the draft about play the kids.
Speaker 1: That's what we're seeing, like he's getting the opportunities to
Speaker 1: go out there show what he can do and improve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he doesn't jump off the practice field at
Speaker 2: you with like speed or you know, explosiveness or anything
Speaker 2: like that. But he's very smooth. You can tell that
Speaker 2: he's efficient with his movements, and he's made some plays
Speaker 2: underneath the defense that I think have been a little
Speaker 2: bit more impressive than the downfield targets that haven't been
Speaker 2: quite as successful. You know, very first throw I think
Speaker 2: of training camp, but from Jacoby Brissett on Marcus Jones,
Speaker 2: just like a little option route in the slot, quick out,
Speaker 2: made the cash in front of Christian gonzales On on
Speaker 2: the incut. Those types of plays. I feel like he's
Speaker 2: gonna thrive on more in the pros than maybe he
Speaker 2: did at Washington I mean, you watched a ton of
Speaker 2: that Washington offense, probably more than anybody. Yeah, and you
Speaker 2: know how that offense was. They didn't run routes in
Speaker 2: that offense. It's just run to space and Pennix will
Speaker 2: find you.
Speaker 1: And I think you're seeing a good mix of He
Speaker 1: has a real knack. This is one of my favorite
Speaker 1: things about him in the draft. He has a real
Speaker 1: knack for understanding what the defense is trying to do
Speaker 1: and getting himself to a spot where the quarterback can
Speaker 1: make a play. And he's combined that, you can call
Speaker 1: it a skillion, called an instinct, whatever you want to
Speaker 1: call it. He's combined that with he actually is looking
Speaker 1: pretty comfortable as a outrunner, I would say through a
Speaker 1: couple of days.
Speaker 2: So now tapped. I think in college, I think he's
Speaker 2: he's gonna be a guy in the pros that's gonna
Speaker 2: live at the first and second level. Yeah, Whereas in
Speaker 2: college because of the offense he played in, it was
Speaker 2: they were down the field.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a second level guy. We talked about
Speaker 1: him leading into the draft is kind of a more
Speaker 1: explode of Jacoby Myers, and that's exactly what we've gotten
Speaker 1: through two days and going back to the spring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the hope here is that some of these fifty
Speaker 2: to fifty balls that he's been targeted on down the field,
Speaker 2: once the quarterbacks have like a better feel for his
Speaker 2: pacing and like where he likes the ball right, then
Speaker 2: that maybe those things will be completed more often. You know,
Speaker 2: does he like it coming over his shoulder? Does he
Speaker 2: like to high point it, does he like to back
Speaker 2: shoulder it? Like those are the types of things that
Speaker 2: you talk about with the quarterbacks. And then eventually two
Speaker 2: weeks from now, they're putting the ball in the right place,
Speaker 2: and now he's making plays on those balls that were
Speaker 2: falling in complete earlier on in training camp. I'm optimistic
Speaker 2: that that can turn. Like, he's never going to be
Speaker 2: a guy that's gonna run by anybody, but if he
Speaker 2: can just have that threat of being able to go
Speaker 2: down the field a little bit and then win maybe
Speaker 2: in some contested situations every once in a while, it'll
Speaker 2: open up that second level for him even more. But
Speaker 2: I've been optimistic about what I've seen. I still think
Speaker 2: that the Jacobe Meyers, Tyler Boyd like that type of player.
Speaker 2: Is we where we were right on it like with
Speaker 2: those comps, like I feel that's how I feel when
Speaker 2: I watch him. Still, we haven't seen a ton of
Speaker 2: Javon Baker quite yet. He participating, but I think with
Speaker 2: the thumb injury in the spring, he's maybe a step
Speaker 2: behind Polk just from a learning standpoint at this point.
Speaker 2: So we'll probably have more to say I would say
Speaker 2: on on Javon Baker in a couple of weeks, like
Speaker 2: I feel like he'll catch up and and he'll be good.
Speaker 2: You know, he still looks like some of the things
Speaker 2: we said in the spring, but I don't want to
Speaker 2: overreact too much to some of the.
Speaker 1: One thing with him, Like he had a thumb injury, right,
Speaker 1: so he doesn't look like he's having any issues catching
Speaker 1: the football.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a good point. Okay, can we talk
Speaker 2: about Tae Kwon? Now? Can we do it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Well, I think we got to talk
Speaker 1: about Tae Kwon and Jalen Rager together.
Speaker 2: That's exactly how I wrote it down. Taekwon versus Jalen
Speaker 2: Rager is the battle we didn't know we needed, but
Speaker 2: now it's amazing.
Speaker 1: But it's not like, let you are you ready to
Speaker 1: talk about Maurice Harris because we'renna talk about.
Speaker 2: So here's the thing. There is a giant role on
Speaker 2: this team, a gaping hole in this offense for somebody
Speaker 2: that can add some vertical speed to this team. If
Speaker 2: they are coming out in you know, whatever personnel grouping,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if they're coming out on the field,
Speaker 2: and it's like Jalen Polk and Pop Douglas and Hunter
Speaker 2: Henry and like you know, Osborne or Juju or whatever
Speaker 2: ends up being the third guy. Yeah, Pop is gonna
Speaker 2: is explosive, but he's not a deep thread, right, and
Speaker 2: they are going to be an offense that's still going
Speaker 2: to be operating in a phone booth if they have
Speaker 2: nobody that can run out by anybody on the outside.
Speaker 2: The only two guys on the roster unless Javon Baker
Speaker 2: starts to really come on here. And it's different with Baker,
Speaker 2: like he's not necessarily he's not a four to three guy.
Speaker 2: It's just he wins vertically differently. But maybe he can
Speaker 2: be the vertical X. It's the vertical X receiver. And
Speaker 2: Jalen Rager and Taekwon Thornton are in a battle royale
Speaker 2: for making this roster in that spot. We've both been
Speaker 2: a little bit more on the Rager train just because
Speaker 2: of the returnability, which I do think is a factor
Speaker 2: in this. But in general, h Ragger day on Day
Speaker 2: one kind of a Taekwon day today. I want to
Speaker 2: put in the context with Taekwon, No, a lot of
Speaker 2: it was like underneath stuff, Like most of it was
Speaker 2: seven on seven. Yeah, it wasn't a whole lot down
Speaker 2: the field like Rager's catch on Day one.
Speaker 1: Well, I would I would say in Taekwon's defense before,
Speaker 1: I kind of diminished both what he and Rager did.
Speaker 1: In Taekwan's defense, you like seeing him catch the ball
Speaker 1: underneath because that was what he couldn't do. We knew
Speaker 1: he could run a go route, but can you get
Speaker 1: yourself open underneath and catch the ball? And can get
Speaker 1: yourself open in the middle of field and catch the ball,
Speaker 1: and he did that today. That all being said, couple things.
Speaker 1: One with Taekwon, it's about staying healthy as much as
Speaker 1: anything else. Yeah, get through camp. He's opened his first
Speaker 1: two NFL seasons on ir get through camp, and that
Speaker 1: you can't win the competition if you can't do that.
Speaker 1: Second of all, we've seen the seven where the pads
Speaker 1: aren't on yet and the fast guys are just running by.
Speaker 1: Everybody want of draft fast guys, draft fast guys, right,
Speaker 1: but you don't even have to draft him again. To
Speaker 1: go back to Maurice Harris, we both thought it was
Speaker 1: our first year covering the team. They had the second
Speaker 1: coming Randy Moss. Turns out some players are better when
Speaker 1: you can't touch them. So to my point about Taekwon
Speaker 1: Thornton running the underneath stuff, yeah, it's encouraging to see,
Speaker 1: but also I want to see him do it when
Speaker 1: they can jam him at the line of scrimmage. Can
Speaker 1: he get off a jam? Things like that? And the
Speaker 1: same goes for Jalen Rager. Can he make catches when
Speaker 1: the receivers can be more physical than him? Can he
Speaker 1: run by guys when you're able to get a little
Speaker 1: more handsy and you can kind of bump and run
Speaker 1: down the field.
Speaker 2: So in no offense, but maybe it's not as eazy
Speaker 2: Hearn that's the guy in coverage, and maybe.
Speaker 1: It's Christian No he beat the deep Boss by Marcus Jones,
Speaker 1: I think yesterday, right, No, that was easy Hearn the
Speaker 1: first one. Yeah, they weren't both were they both as
Speaker 1: easy hearn? Okay, well again, well the very least let
Speaker 1: his easy hearn play physically because he's a physical corner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so no, I'm not trying to pick on his
Speaker 2: easy hurt.
Speaker 1: No, I know, I I just have trouble. It is
Speaker 1: what it is, and they had good days and they
Speaker 1: deserve credit for having good days, and having good days
Speaker 1: at this point is better than not having good days
Speaker 1: at this point. So it's laying the foundation. But we've
Speaker 1: done this long enough, Evan that we've seen speed guys
Speaker 1: pop in the first week and then the pads come on.
Speaker 1: We forget about him within a day. So I do
Speaker 1: think one of them is gonna make the team. I
Speaker 1: still go Rager. It doesn't I was saying this yesterday.
Speaker 1: Whenever it's like, oh, you were saying Rager and he
Speaker 1: had this great day, look at that. No, I still
Speaker 1: think Jalen Rager is gonna make the team. Has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with what happened yesterday, because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, one of the guys can play special teams,
Speaker 1: the other one can't. He's also just been better in games,
Speaker 1: and he's been a better player in the past that too.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's I'm not gonna get hyped about either
Speaker 1: of them as receivers until the pads come on. Like
Speaker 1: they again, they had good days. Give him credit for it,
Speaker 1: they deserve it, but I'm not ready to make any
Speaker 1: sweeping proclamation about either of them before the pads come on.
Speaker 2: Fair points. The one encouraging thing has nothing to do
Speaker 2: with either one of those guys. But they do have
Speaker 2: a quarterback, especially with Drake May. But I also think
Speaker 2: Jacoby ber Said as a much bigger arm than Mac
Speaker 2: Jones or Bailey Zappy. So they have these quarterbacks now
Speaker 2: that if Taekwon Thornton gets behind the defense fifty yards
Speaker 2: down the field, they have a quarterback that can actually
Speaker 2: throw it, yeah, fifty yards down the field. So when
Speaker 2: I watch Thornton and I watch Rager, do I think
Speaker 2: either one of those guys is all of a sudden
Speaker 2: going to become, you know, fifteen hundred yard receiver. No,
Speaker 2: of course not. But they have a quarterback now that's
Speaker 2: going to be able to actually get the ball down
Speaker 2: the field, and that makes their speed a little bit
Speaker 2: more threatening.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the guy I keep coming back to with
Speaker 2: both of them, but especially with Taekwon is tes Walker,
Speaker 2: Like I just feel like Drake May was able to
Speaker 2: do it with tes Walker. They are very similar players
Speaker 2: to me in terms of their skill set. I think
Speaker 2: tes Walker might be a little heavier, but in general, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're similar guys. And that's the type of receiver that
Speaker 2: Drake May on the outside likes to throw to. You know,
Speaker 2: he likes to throw to a guy that could win deep.
Speaker 2: I think Javon Baker is gonna eventually be that dude
Speaker 2: that's gonna be the guy that he's gonna feature mostly
Speaker 2: going deep, but that speed X receiver is a guy
Speaker 2: that they need. Not only are they gonna, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: needed vertically, but I think there's also a horizontal element
Speaker 2: of it too. They're gonna need somebody that's gonna be
Speaker 2: a threat on jet motion and different you know, types
Speaker 2: of motions and things like that. You know, maybe that's
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas, but I think you have to get back
Speaker 2: to the conversation of managing you know, body blows with
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas too, and managing his workload to make sure
Speaker 2: he stays healthy, you know, Rager Thornton. Those guys could
Speaker 2: be guys that are used as a jet sweep even
Speaker 2: if it's just as smoking mirrors, you know, if they
Speaker 2: don't actually get the balld. But that type of thing.
Speaker 2: I'm with this type of offense. So I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get to any grand proclamations. I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna get all hot and bothered by Taekwon Thworton and
Speaker 2: and today. I've honestly been more hot and bothered by
Speaker 2: Taekwan in other days than today because so much of
Speaker 2: it was, like, you know, he's catching like five six
Speaker 2: yard passes, Like I'm not going to get crazy about that.
Speaker 2: You know, I was more impressed with him. It's at
Speaker 2: points in the spring, to be honest, with some of
Speaker 2: the things that he did down the field. You know,
Speaker 2: he made that one catch I remember in the spring
Speaker 2: way like deep ball from Drake May Like that was
Speaker 2: the most impressive play he's made so far this offseason. Still,
Speaker 2: so I'm with you on that. Let's move away to
Speaker 2: the defense. I got a few more minutes here to
Speaker 2: talk about some of this.
Speaker 1: I do you have one special team's thought too? Again?
Speaker 2: Oh, I wanted to ask you about that about special
Speaker 2: teams in general in the second, But first I want
Speaker 2: to start with Marcus Jones. Yeah, I feel like he's
Speaker 2: probably been the highlights so far on the defense. Obviously,
Speaker 2: you know you're not going to talk too much about
Speaker 2: the defensive line and not bad practices, but a big
Speaker 2: question coming into to the spring and to the summer,
Speaker 2: I should say, yeah, I was whether people thought he
Speaker 2: was a good football player or not. Miles Bryant played
Speaker 2: a ton for this team last year and he's no
Speaker 2: longer here, so that slot corner roll is completely up
Speaker 2: for grabs. We've talked at times about Alex Austin playing
Speaker 2: outside and John Jones kicking back inside. So far, I
Speaker 2: feel like we've seen more Gonzales and Jones on the
Speaker 2: outside with Marcus Jones in the slot as like their
Speaker 2: primary nickel. Yeah. Look, and Marcus Jones, to his credit,
Speaker 2: has been awesome. It's been good.
Speaker 1: A great pass breakup on Jalen Polk today. You know,
Speaker 1: bigger receiver and we've seen him. We saw him do
Speaker 1: it two years ago, contend with those bigger receivers and
Speaker 1: he definitely has an act for that. So he's been good.
Speaker 1: In him being good unlocks a lot because we talked
Speaker 1: about there's they're better on the boundary than they are
Speaker 1: in the slot. You know they have talent in the slot,
Speaker 1: but maybe not as much depth. If Marcus Jones is
Speaker 1: the guy you're comfortable putting in that spot the majority
Speaker 1: of the time, it gives you the freedom to put
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones on the boundary. You don't have to maybe
Speaker 1: put as much on the plate of a guy like
Speaker 1: Alex Austin or Isaiah Bolden who's been getting a ton
Speaker 1: of run in that role as well, and it stretches
Speaker 1: it out. So good start again, smaller player. Let's see
Speaker 1: when the Pats come on. You know, I'm broken record.
Speaker 2: With that, but maybe it's good start for him, good
Speaker 2: start for him. He deserves credit for that. And I
Speaker 2: would also say that with Marcus Jones and Alex Austen,
Speaker 2: it feels very matchup based. Right. If you are playing
Speaker 2: a team that has bigger receivers, right, then maybe that
Speaker 2: week it's Alex Austen and Gonzales on the outside with
Speaker 2: John Jones going back to the middle of the field.
Speaker 2: But if you're playing Miami. You know, we say this
Speaker 2: all the time about Marcus Jones, great matchup against Miami, and.
Speaker 1: No, they're definitely And what's encouraging and you see guys
Speaker 1: like Alex Osten having success and you see guys like
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones having success. Is there's now an ability to
Speaker 1: mix and match ye, and you don't have to handcuff
Speaker 1: yourself on your personnel. You have the depth and you
Speaker 1: have the diversity of skill sets to be able to
Speaker 1: play different teams in different ways. And that's when you
Speaker 1: can truly be game play and defense, which is ultimately
Speaker 1: what they want to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we should also mention on defense that Matthew
Speaker 2: Judon is out there participating and he looks like a
Speaker 2: you know, full participant in these practices. He's not holding in,
Speaker 2: he's not limited in any sort of way. It doesn't
Speaker 2: seem like and there still seems to be you know,
Speaker 2: the one front seven guy ade point two. There still
Speaker 2: seems to be a decent amount of buzz about Keon
Speaker 2: White and his role in all of this. They've been
Speaker 2: in a lot of their like two down linemen pass
Speaker 2: rushing fronts so far because it's such a pass heavy
Speaker 2: time of year, and he's been in that group and
Speaker 2: he's been sort of working as more of a stand
Speaker 2: up player. I still feel like we have to figure
Speaker 2: out where he what he is like, is he a
Speaker 2: stand up guys hand in the dirt guys he had
Speaker 2: outside linebacker? You know, maybe a guy that can run
Speaker 2: Russia inside, you know at times to and reduce inside
Speaker 2: over a guard or something like that. But Keon White
Speaker 2: is continuing to buzz a little bit. I would say,
Speaker 2: is there anybody else on defense that you feel like
Speaker 2: deserves a shout? Sort of?
Speaker 1: And this is where I get into my Special team's take. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know who's been playing a good amount of safety
Speaker 1: even a little bit with the ones Brendan Schooler. Brendan Schooler. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I wonder this is one of the big questions
Speaker 1: of the post Belichick era, how is it going to
Speaker 1: work with these special team specific players We've seen chrishnellis
Speaker 1: Joe Giles, Harris get a ton of run on defense,
Speaker 1: guys that we think are gonna be in that role.
Speaker 1: I wonder with Schooler, is it one of two things?
Speaker 1: I guess it could be a little bit of both.
Speaker 1: All Right, we want you as our Special Teams captain,
Speaker 1: but we need you ready because you're also going to
Speaker 1: be an emergency safety for us and they don't have
Speaker 1: a ton of depth at deep safety. It's Jalen Hawkins
Speaker 1: and then he's kind of been the next guy when
Speaker 1: they want to put Dugger in Pepper's both in the box. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or is it we have Jalen Hawkins who can play
Speaker 1: special teams like you and you can play free safety,
Speaker 1: So what more can you do for us?
Speaker 2: Kind of thing?
Speaker 1: Right? So, I and in the past he's played there
Speaker 1: a little bit, but it's been a lot more this
Speaker 1: summer than he did the last two years. In the past,
Speaker 1: he was kind of just with that third unit. It
Speaker 1: felt like they needed a body to get eleven guys
Speaker 1: on the field and he was out there. No, this
Speaker 1: is he's getting like real safety reps. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think he might have ret over John at Joshua Bleds
Speaker 1: so at times.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it we should mention, you know, without Marte Mapu.
Speaker 2: You know some Marte Mopu not a deep safety necessarily,
Speaker 2: but it's just another safety that wasn't practicing. But I
Speaker 2: feel like the Jalen Hawk No.
Speaker 1: But but even yesterday, even yes, he was.
Speaker 2: More with the twos yesterday today I noticed it with
Speaker 2: the one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I it does feel like and maybe it's
Speaker 1: just on an emergency basis and that's probably all it
Speaker 1: should be. Yeah, it does feel like they're getting Brandon
Speaker 1: Schooler ready to play some safety.
Speaker 2: Jalen Hawkins. That whole thing seems to be cooling off
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 1: You think, So maybe I feel like he's been out
Speaker 1: there good amount.
Speaker 2: Maybe I haven't noticed it as much as I should. Again,
Speaker 2: you know, when we do the shows during practice, I've.
Speaker 1: Not he was right. He was also playing some slot
Speaker 1: corner today.
Speaker 2: Okay, So maybe I missed that.
Speaker 1: They're they're putting him that he's been on the field
Speaker 1: a lot, but it hasn't just been at free like
Speaker 1: he's in the box a little bit today. I saw
Speaker 1: him he got a couple of reps in the slot,
Speaker 1: So I think they're just getting him ready for a
Speaker 1: very multiple role.
Speaker 2: All Right, one more quick thing on the day. I
Speaker 2: actually I've liked what I've seen Autam Marcellus dial to
Speaker 2: is that some good the other some good coverage moments
Speaker 2: like away from the ball and stuff like that that
Speaker 2: I've seen. I really like their corners.
Speaker 1: It's their best position.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it really is. I Mean, there's
Speaker 2: some questions about who's gonna play wear and that sort
Speaker 2: of thing, but it does you know christiangan Zalez and
Speaker 2: Jonathan Jones is your top two is already pretty solid
Speaker 2: and they have some options behind them, So I'm pretty uh,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty optimistic. They get out there at practice yesterday
Speaker 2: and I couldn't help, but it was their starting defense.
Speaker 2: And they come out there and they have Christian Zalees
Speaker 2: on one side, Jonathan Jones on the other, Peppers and
Speaker 2: Dugger up top. They have Dietrich Wise, Godshaw, bar More
Speaker 2: Judaan on the outside to Vibe Bentley, And I'm just like,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's a hunit man. That's a unit
Speaker 2: like that. Like I'm like thinking of myself just compared
Speaker 2: to the rest of the league. And there aren't a
Speaker 2: whole lot of defenses in the NFL that you look
Speaker 2: at eleven starting caliber players.
Speaker 1: And a lot of those guys have really good backups.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't.
Speaker 1: I don't think you said ke On White, Like you
Speaker 1: didn't mention Daniel Quality who's back and healthy. You didn't
Speaker 1: mention Marcus Jones.
Speaker 2: There's just not a whole lot of holes. No, there's
Speaker 2: not a whole lot of holes. Really quickly did before
Speaker 2: we wrap here? Is it just me? And maybe you
Speaker 2: disagree with this completely because you definitely pay more attention
Speaker 2: to special teams than I do. It doesn't feel like
Speaker 2: they've done a ton of special teams through the first
Speaker 2: two days.
Speaker 1: They did one sort of punt on air thing today
Speaker 1: that was it. No, there hasn't been a lot of
Speaker 1: special teams.
Speaker 2: So I are you upset? Are you disappointed? Is this
Speaker 2: hurt your feelings? Like they've basically treated your days of
Speaker 2: the game like it's not.
Speaker 1: One, it's a long camp.
Speaker 2: Two.
Speaker 1: Outside of field goal kicking, I'd like to see them
Speaker 1: do some because that's a battle, like let's see that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But like the kickoff stuff, the punt stuff, that's so
Speaker 1: much more meaningful with pads, like you gotta be able
Speaker 1: to hit. Is there a chance that kickoff stuff is
Speaker 1: they're gonna I also think there's an element of that too,
Speaker 1: that that's they're just gonna cram that when they put
Speaker 1: Pop Douglas back on the field and all that after
Speaker 1: we're out it. No, I think it's a real chance
Speaker 1: they're gonna hide the kickoff stuff. But like I haven't,
Speaker 1: I haven't done the Stopwatch yet. Two days. No Stopwatch,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I thought of, So I was like,
Speaker 1: we don't have big times, but you know what, you
Speaker 1: want to work with gunners and all that. You gotta
Speaker 1: be able to hit. You gotta be able to hit.
Speaker 1: So I like to see it. But and ask me again,
Speaker 1: when we do the show next week and.
Speaker 2: We've had a few padded practice, I want you to
Speaker 2: come in here angry if there's not more special teams
Speaker 2: next week.
Speaker 1: If they haven't done it by this time next week,
Speaker 1: when you they'll have had what Monday will be padded yea,
Speaker 1: probably Tuesday or and then two of the other three days,
Speaker 1: probably three of the four days next week will be padded. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be a little annoyed at that point. I'll be like,
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Special teams? Wasn't great? We need
Speaker 1: to be better at this, But I I love it
Speaker 1: outside of the field goals, non padded practices. If they
Speaker 1: want to use this, they got a new offense to
Speaker 1: get installed. They're playing catch up a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can understand that part.
Speaker 2: Jeremy Springers chilling.
Speaker 1: Is he chilling or is he in the left?
Speaker 2: He's collecting the paycheck, cooking, he's doing American Dreamers.
Speaker 1: He has worked, He's working because I said, they're not
Speaker 1: doing field goal stuff. I'm talking about team field goal
Speaker 1: most of the time. When the and it's been a
Speaker 1: lot of seven on seven and eleven on eleven, that
Speaker 1: second field is wide open, and he's right there standing
Speaker 1: over Joey Sly and Chad Ryland as they're kicking and
Speaker 1: the is they're kicking field goals off the tee. So
Speaker 1: he and he's got two kickers to figure out. No,
Speaker 1: he's working.
Speaker 2: We get a lot of questions about, you know, has
Speaker 2: this been different than a Belichick practice? What's different between
Speaker 2: this and Belichick's practices. Bill Belichick is not going to
Speaker 2: full practices without doing any special team. You're bringing out
Speaker 2: the Stopwatch within the first thirty minutes of the day.
Speaker 2: He won a training camp with Bill Belichick, Like, you
Speaker 2: are not getting this deep into training camp with this
Speaker 2: little special teams. I get the different.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I get outside of field goal, which
Speaker 1: I yeah, they could work on a little more. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to miss special teams reps in non padded practice.
Speaker 1: They're just they don't hold a ton of weight fair enough.
Speaker 1: But this is different or no, it's different, not good
Speaker 1: or bad. It is different again, but if they're still
Speaker 1: not doing it next week when the pads come on.
Speaker 1: Different story.
Speaker 2: Last thing on differences between Belichick and this it's very
Speaker 2: very very early to be talking about scheme and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. But defensively, it feels like nothing changed. Like
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're going to have a couple of wrinkles
Speaker 2: here and there.
Speaker 1: That's another one that I think once we're out of there,
Speaker 1: they'll start.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure that that DeMarcus coming in and
Speaker 2: Girod may are going to want to put their own
Speaker 2: spin on things and have, you know, different wrinkles and
Speaker 2: maybe be a little bit more aggressive in certain spots,
Speaker 2: certainly on first and second down. I saw a great
Speaker 2: stat in the FTN Fantasy like Almanac and Aaron Chats
Speaker 2: puts out, the Patriots were near the bottom end of
Speaker 2: the league in pressure rate on first and second down defensively,
Speaker 2: and they were top five on their down. So I
Speaker 2: build was not like all the pressure, all the pressure
Speaker 2: was coming on third down. Yeah, right, and they weren't
Speaker 2: cooking up that I think could change. But as of
Speaker 2: right now, if you told me, you know, is it
Speaker 2: a new playbook on defense? This is they're running the
Speaker 2: Belichick scheme defensively, and maybe we'll see some wrinkles down
Speaker 2: the road. But I'm not expecting to reinvent the thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not expecting it to reinvent the wheel. But I'm
Speaker 2: glad you're not too upset that you haven't been able
Speaker 2: to record anything.
Speaker 1: If you can't tell, I was worried about you for
Speaker 1: if you can't tell, I don't get too worked up
Speaker 1: about non pad of practice. I don't.
Speaker 2: It's probably a good approach, you know.
Speaker 1: I try, but I've been burned. No, I learned my
Speaker 1: lesson on that I've been burned.
Speaker 2: Who did I have?
Speaker 1: You had Maurice Harris? Who's the wide receiver? It's like
Speaker 1: twenty nine. I don't remember.
Speaker 2: There's a I think one of our very first arguments
Speaker 2: was over Gunner Roshevski.
Speaker 1: But I was right about gun you.
Speaker 2: I told you.
Speaker 1: You say, you said, direct quote, he does not belong
Speaker 1: in an NFL training camp.
Speaker 2: He isn't he did.
Speaker 1: He is an All Pro. He is an All Pro.
Speaker 2: I had one punt return against the Chargers in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: and he won All Pro because.
Speaker 1: He is in All Pro. And you said he did
Speaker 1: not belong in an NFL training camp.
Speaker 2: I was talking about him as a receiver. I'll admit
Speaker 2: when I was wrong. No, no, no, that's not that's
Speaker 2: not you not wrong, But that's not you were saying.
Speaker 2: You said he did not belong in a kid. You
Speaker 2: did not qualify it like that, because that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: I got really excited about Philip Dorset one year. That's
Speaker 2: what it was.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's fair that he at least was an NFL
Speaker 1: because I liked him before he got here.
Speaker 2: Maurice Harris, Maury's Harris was a different for.
Speaker 1: People who don't know who Maurice Harris is. And then
Speaker 1: we're wrapping up. Yeah, me and Evans first year spring practice.
Speaker 1: It would neither have ever seen a spring practice because
Speaker 1: those aren't open to the media. We go and Maurice
Speaker 1: Harris was this guy the Patriots had signed. He'd like
Speaker 1: bounced around the league. He's like twenty seventh. Wow, he
Speaker 1: was younger, he's only thirty one. He was in like
Speaker 1: his mid twenties. He'd been in Washington for a few years.
Speaker 1: And the Patriots sign him in a one year deal
Speaker 1: late in free agency, and uh, he tore it up
Speaker 1: in the spring like he was awesome. He is great.
Speaker 1: He's catching deep balls left and right from Tom Brady
Speaker 1: and we walked out of there thinking, oh my god,
Speaker 1: they found a guy and out of nowhere, just free
Speaker 1: agent off the street. He's dominating and he was like
Speaker 1: this tall, skinny guys, kind of built like Taekwon. And
Speaker 1: then they put the pads on and he completely disappeared.
Speaker 1: I don't think he made it through camp. I think
Speaker 1: he got cut before camp.
Speaker 2: And to be fair to him though, like Brady was
Speaker 2: into it and I don't mean to pick on him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Brady was running over to him, and Brady kept throwing
Speaker 2: to him.
Speaker 1: But because he was always open, because they couldn't hit him,
Speaker 1: and he was fast enough to run by him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you learn the lesson that it's there's more to
Speaker 1: it than that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, we have to wrap up. Jack and Michigan
Speaker 2: called in so well, I know, what's up Jack? How
Speaker 2: you doing.
Speaker 1: Guys here?
Speaker 5: May?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're on the air. What's up?
Speaker 5: Quick question? I am flying out to training camp the
Speaker 5: week of the twelve. Are you guys gonna be there
Speaker 5: signing things? I want to get a Catch twenty two
Speaker 5: flag created for myself for you guys to sign.
Speaker 2: Well, that's amazing. I didn't a really had a that
Speaker 2: big of a fan, and I really appreciate that. That's
Speaker 2: like very flattering. Yeah, well we're at every camp practice.
Speaker 2: I mean I am.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, I know, I'll be there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's only two practices that week is twelfth and thirteenth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll be at every practice. Alex is much
Speaker 2: better than I am about about poking around at pre
Speaker 2: practice because we do Unfiltered live on most days, but
Speaker 2: by that time, we won't be doing the show live
Speaker 2: during practice, so I can. I'll definitely be down there
Speaker 2: and you should come say hi, or we can find you,
Speaker 2: or vice versus. If somebody has a catch you have,
Speaker 2: like a flag with the show logo on it.
Speaker 1: They do.
Speaker 5: I went to look for a PU or a Catch
Speaker 5: twenty two flag, but they don't have them. So the
Speaker 5: sun sits to a custom flag. You just send it
Speaker 5: an image and they make.
Speaker 1: It for you. If I see somebody waving a Catch
Speaker 1: twenty two flag, I will absolutely come over.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, absolutely awesome.
Speaker 1: One.
Speaker 2: Thanks Jack, thank you so much for listening.
Speaker 1: That's we've got to sign like the inside, like like
Speaker 1: each sign of too I think is the way to
Speaker 1: do it right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Marie, we we need merch, like that's
Speaker 2: what we're like. He's looking for a flag and we
Speaker 2: don't have a flag to sell him. Like this is
Speaker 2: an opportunity. Where's mister Kraft Like I'm giving him more money.
Speaker 2: I hope they're listening upstairs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still think like a Patriots jersey that's number
Speaker 1: twenty two that says catch on the back.
Speaker 2: That's that's not I feel like we could make a
Speaker 2: T shirt with this logo on it easily.
Speaker 1: No, do it a with the twenty two and it
Speaker 1: says Catch is the name.
Speaker 2: That's we're making more money for this organization.
Speaker 1: What good guys we are when they when they have
Speaker 1: when they pay DK Metcalf the bag next spring. It's
Speaker 1: because of all the Catch twenty two. I want flags.
Speaker 2: When Matthew Judon gets his extension, I want him to
Speaker 2: come thank us.
Speaker 1: We haven't sold the merch doesn't exist yet.
Speaker 2: Well, it will, all right, it will, all right. We're
Speaker 2: gonna have to wrap it up, but we will be
Speaker 2: back next week, probably around the same time because we
Speaker 2: write and we have different things going on, so it
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