WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 7/25: Key Observations Through Two Days of Training Camp 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:08.240 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:12.040 Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre. 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:15.280 Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined us always by our bar. 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:22.239 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. They're not gonna 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:24.239 be able to get the rest of the roster where 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:26.160 they need it to be fair enough. 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:29.080 Let's move on because we're gonna we're stuck here. 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:30.600 You just want to talk about you guys playing catch. 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:32.080 You don't want to talk about football. 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:36.839 One, That's exactly what it is. Well, we definitely get 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:38.640 to talk about two guys playing catch today. 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:40.519 Definitely. That's all non padded practice. 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:43.280 This is literally all all it is is two guys 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:45.920 playing catch and shorts and a T shirt and a helmet. 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:47.800 Not not to come out here and say that you 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:51.320 shouldn't listen to the next two hours of us pouring 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:54.120 over all of our notes from that two hour session 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:57.120 this morning of shorts and a T shirt and a helmet. 0:00:57.560 --> 0:00:59.560 But the point is is, and I wanted to make 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:04.000 this point anyways because I feel, as I say this 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:05.679 every year and you're gonna make fun of me when 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:08.800 I say this, but every year that we do this 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:11.920 and this is what let's just tell everybody how old 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.640 we are. Year seven for both of us. We started 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.800 the same year, So this is year seven for both 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:18.560 of us, which is have. 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:20.280 We been doing this longer than most of the guys 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:22.800 have been in the league. Oh yeah, it's got to 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:24.440 be about we got to be getting there. Yeah, I mean, 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:26.160 the average NFL career is like five six years. 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.720 It does. It does dawn on me now when we 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.200 talk to guys that I am. I'm really am older 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:33.399 than all these guys at this point. 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:35.319 Well, I was chatting with so I did the pre 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:37.840 practice thing this morning with Sarge where he goes down 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:41.200 to talks reporters and they had Sony Michelle go before me. Yeah, 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:43.320 tough act to follow, and we're waiting. 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:44.800 I was chatting to have a Super Bowl ring. 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:46.920 I was chatting with him. Very nice guy, by the way, 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.800 very nice guys. I'm chatting with him and we were like, yeah, 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:51.920 you know, it's great covering you go, oh yeah, you know, 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:53.960 I remember you're there's like ye oh yeah, your first 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.720 year was my first year. Look he's won how many rings? 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:58.680 He's now out of the league. He's living his life 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:02.840 doing business. Good for him, But yeah, it's been a minute. 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:04.920 Well, we've been doing this a minute. We've been doing 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.320 this a little while now, and one of the things 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:13.560 that I've learned from the experience is that these first 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:17.639 couple of days, you want to come out guns blaze, 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:19.920 and you want to have takes, you want to have opinions, 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:23.720 you want to start formulating your roster projection and all 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:27.800 these different things. But the reality of the situation is 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:31.519 that we are not even scratching the surface of real football. 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.720 And the thing that Dawn's on me with this as well. 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:36.680 We were talking about this a little bit on the 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:40.960 Live show yesterday. On pu last year, we went out 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.000 to Green Bay, Deuce and I went out to Green 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:47.679 Bay for those joint practices, and for all intents and purposes, 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:51.880 those joint practices were relatively even two teams. The Patriots 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.959 won the first day, the Packers kind of controlled play 0:02:55.000 --> 0:03:01.120 the second day. Those two seasons could not have gone differently. Literally, 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:02.960 we got to the season and it went like this 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.399 for those two teams. And it just goes to show 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.120 as much as we love and I feel like I'm 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.280 saying this and it's making our the stuff we do 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:15.760 sound irrelevant, but it just goes to show where I 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:18.200 want to try to keep my head which is level 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:23.120 at this point in time. With that being said, you 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.680 are going to hear a lot, and it objectively speaking, 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.760 You're gonna hear a lot about how the offense had 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:31.840 a tough day to day. It did not look pretty 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:35.200 at times for the Patriots offense. But if I'm going 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:36.520 to be true to my word, and I'm not going 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:38.960 to jump to any conclusions, and I'm gonna not ride 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:43.120 the roller coaster of the Patriots training camp this year, 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.040 because you know me, I tend sometimes I get on 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:47.480 on the six flags. 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.560 Right, how you feel about Taekwon Evan exactly. 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.000 I'm trying. I'm trying so hard not to. 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:55.920 Let's make the big point, then the. 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.560 Big point, and I'm not doing a good job of 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:03.040 landing this plane quickly. The big point is that I 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:04.600 don't want to come in here with a bunch of 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:06.920 knee jerk reactions. That's not what we do and I'm 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:10.160 not trying to do that. So if you're worried about 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:12.120 some of the reports that you're seeing from practice at 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:17.960 the offense had a bad day, I understand, But I 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.040 don't think it's anything that we didn't already know about 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.520 the offense. The offensive line is going to be a 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:29.400 work in progress, period. Yeah, that's it. It's gonna be 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:33.719 the It's gonna be work in progress. There are question 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.520 marks about the validity of the pass catching group. If 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.800 they have a high then enough high end talent to 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:42.960 go out there and make big plays, that that's gonna 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.680 be a question mark. So I don't feel like I've 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:49.640 learned anything new about my concerns. But because we have 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:51.719 a show to do today and we should tell you 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.520 what we saw, it was a shaky day for the offense. 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:56.920 Yeah, I think just on the big picture of the 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:00.279 previous two days. Where I come from is what I 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:03.279 always harp on in the spring, these non padded practices. 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:07.120 There's information here, there's important information here. It's just not 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.839 necessarily in the results. It's in the approach. And that's 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.760 that's both from the coaches and the players. So most 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:14.839 of my takeaways from the first couple of days is 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.159 who's on the field, who isn't, who's playing with who, 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.240 who's playing over who, and then how some individual players 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.920 are approaching things. I'm sure we'll get to Drake May, 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:25.880 but like my big takeaway on Drake May, has nothing 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:28.640 to do with his performance. But he came out aggressive. 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:31.640 He came out aggressive. He came out ready to compete. 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.520 And yeah, I mean he's going to compete. You expect that, 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.679 but you never know what the rookie, it's really easy 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:39.280 to come out and you know, I just don't want 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:40.840 to screw up. I don't want to get anybody mad 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:44.080 at me. I'm gonna take my checkdowns. And at least 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:45.520 on day one he didn't do a ton of that. 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:47.000 He did a little bit of more of that today, 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.839 but all the quarterbacks did because of the line. Again. 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:54.159 But you know, I'm more interested in the approach, in 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:56.080 the philosophy that we see from the first few days. 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:59.000 We'll get to the real football that comes on Monday. Yeah, 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:03.200 but there is still information here. There is still absolutely 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:07.560 information here. Like I had circled, I wrote a thing 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:09.159 before camp. You can still check it out. In ninety 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:12.320 had five Sports of dot Com on six players I 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.120 thought might surprise for a roster spot, Guys that aren't 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.640 being talked about that maybe they're not gonna come in 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.599 and be the team's MVP for the season, but they 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:21.880 think they're gonna be here. And one of them was 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.679 tight end Mitchell Wilcox, and he's been on the field 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.320 a ton the last two days. He hasn't necessarily done 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.680 a lot in terms of catching the ball, but he's not. 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.800 He's a blocking tight end. That's his role. They need that. 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.200 So that to me is more what you take away 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.200 from this period, We get a better idea. We spent 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.120 so much time those months between the spring and the 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:43.760 start of camp, will what are the battles and who's 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:46.160 competing with who and what spots are up for grabs. 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:50.839 We're kind of seeing that all play out in terms 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:55.920 of where guys stand during these few days, and then 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.320 once the pads come on, that's when you start having 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.280 the discussion of okay, well who's actually right? 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:05.560 And that's the evaluation period is starting on Monday, and 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.960 that's that's all where I'm coming from. The main thing 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.760 is is, just like I said, none of what we're 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:16.200 telling you should come as a surprise that they're still 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.960 trying to figure things out on the offensive line and 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:22.240 that the receivers. Although there are some flashes from some 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.800 of the younger players and from Taekwon, let's be honest 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.360 and Jalen Rager a little bit earlier yeah, our headphones 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.000 are popping a little bit, but I think we're good. 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:37.120 Uh yeah. The even though there there are some concerns 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.360 on offense. Like if I had told you before they 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:43.360 even started practicing on Wednesday that the offensive line might 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.560 be a little bit concerning and the receivers might not 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:51.440 create a ton of downfield separation, you would have told me, well, duh. 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.040 You know, I can look at the roster on paper 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:54.840 and I can feel that. So I just want to 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.640 get that out there because I know that there are 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.680 going to be some knee jerk reactions to some of 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:01.600 the things, and I just wanted to make sure we 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.360 get that out there before we really get rolling here. 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:06.920 Hey Patriots fans, if you want to see Toyota's best offers, 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.560 including those not seen on TV, go to buy a 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.840 Toyota dot com. 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You 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:50.000 know that that hasn't changed. 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.360 Well, Gibson got activated today. So is he officially activated? 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:55.360 I think he has to be because he was on 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:56.360 the field in uniform. 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.280 He was on the field in uniform and he went 0:08:58.320 --> 0:08:59.880 through stretching, right, so. 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:01.240 That's usually the bar. 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.840 Yeah, so they well we'll find out what the wire 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.520 if that makes the wire today if not U but 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:09.880 he was there. We had a sighting. Yeah, we had 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:14.480 Antonio Gibson's sighting. So that's good positive news. Devon Godshaw, 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:17.800 this is where I wanted to start. Now there's a 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.040 report out there. I think I believe from Mark Daniels 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.280 that Christian Barmore is feeling a little under the weather 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.880 and that that's why he was a little limited today. 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.959 I don't know if Devon Godshaw is in the same boat. 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:31.360 If it's an injury, if it's an illness whatever, uh. 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:33.760 But bottom line is is he was out there yesterday, 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.960 he was out there today for the second hour of 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.600 team drills, but he was not participating. And by the 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:44.319 looks of it, again I'm just purely speculating, but by 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:46.240 the looks of it, it felt like a hold in 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.520 type of situation. And we know he's unhappy about his 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:54.160 contract He's made that, you know, publicly clear. So Devon 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:58.160 Godshaw is either holding in or is dealing with something minor. 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.120 I don't know, but assuming just for the sake of 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:04.440 the show that he is holding in, you know, where 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:06.520 do you stand right now currently with what they should 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:08.800 do with Davon Gotcha Because I think Matthew Judon's playing ball. 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:10.800 I think Matthew John's going to be out there. Yeah, 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:13.160 and my guess is that they will reward him at 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:17.080 some point for not going this route with it. But 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.520 with Godshaw, do you feel like you know, where do 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:23.720 you feel a things stand with Devon Gotshaw right now? Yeah? 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:26.440 I mean I get it looked like a hold in today, 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.360 but why would he be a full participant yesterday, yeah, 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.840 and then hold in today that that doesn't make sense. 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.360 So I think he's a full participant. As for his contract, 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.480 I've said this, if it's one of the two you 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.040 pay Judon. If you can work something out with Godshaw, 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.120 too great. But I don't know if they want to 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:44.480 maybe draw a line with all these contracts they've been 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.680 giving out things like that, And what's Godshaw's role? They've 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.040 talked about being more aggressive? Does that mean less two 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.599 gapping on defense? Where does his role play in with that? 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:54.400 Is he going to be more aggressive? Is he going 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.160 to be more of a pass rusher. We did see him, 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:57.920 you know, make a play as a pass rusher on 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.480 day win a camp, but his situation is a little 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.599 more complicated than Matthew Judon's is. And I don't know 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.559 if you noticed, but towards the end of practice, Robert 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:08.959 Kraft came out of the building. Yeah, talk to Matthew 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.680 Judon for a little bit. Then he was talking with 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:15.360 Elliot wolf Grod Mayo came over. So, whatever you want 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:15.920 to make of that. 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:18.880 Does seem like something is maybe brewing. 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.920 There were conversations. What they were about, yeah, I don't know, 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:23.400 but they were for that. 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.600 YEA, My whole thing with Devon, gotcha has not changed. 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:30.040 And I just feel and again when I talk, like 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.120 you know, talk about players like this, I hope that 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:36.400 people recognize that this is not personal whatsoever with the player. 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:40.400 But I just don't really understand. I don't understand what 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:46.080 his leverage is, frankly, because at this stage of just 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:50.719 the NFL ether, Devon Gotscha is like maybe a two 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:55.400 down player. He's He's a rotational nose tackle that's going 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.880 to play on first and second down, but primarily just 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.440 on first down as a run staff. He's not a 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.199 pass rusher. He's not a third down player. He's not 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.760 a passing game player they're gonna bring in and we 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:08.920 saw today, you know, even though he wasn't out there, 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.200 I don't think he's in that pass rush package even 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:13.800 if he is in there. So we're gonna see them 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.880 bring in players like an armand Watts, like a Daniel Aqualley. 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:22.360 Obviously Christian Barmol will be in that mix to rush 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:26.240 on the interior in obvious passing situations. It's not gonna 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:30.400 be Devon Godshaw. So yes, I agree with Godshaw to 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.920 an extent that he plays a role that if you 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:37.160 really watch the film, that he makes a big impact 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:39.079 in their run defense, and they had a great run 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.640 defense last year with him in the middle, no doubt 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.520 about that. But if you look at the compensation on 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:47.560 his contract, he's pretty fairly compensated this year for what 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:51.760 his role is. He's he's making what ten and a 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:53.960 half I think it is a million eleven million dollars 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:58.160 to play football for the Patriots this year as a 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:02.120 two down run stuffing nose tack. That's a pretty good deal. Like, 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.880 it's not a very valuable position. And we've talked about 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.079 this a lot with the draft, and as everything always 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.520 trickles up from the draft, how many guys have we 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.160 thrown out there, Alex over the last couple of years 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:15.720 that were in this mold of a nose tackle, a 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:21.120 true three four two gapping news tackle. And those guys 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:24.800 don't get drafted high anymore. You know, you wait, some 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:26.920 of these guys, you know, remember, like a Mark one 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.600 McCaulay goes undrafted, right, you know, like these guys just 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:32.760 aren't valued around the league anymore. So I'm finding a 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:37.280 hard time figuring out what Devon Godshaw's leverage truly is. 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:41.080 I think it's intangibles. I think it's as a like 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.720 a veteran, as a leader, as a culture guy, things 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.120 like that. In addition to you know, I mean he does, 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.320 like you say, places role well, and that's part of it. 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:50.880 And then you know, they're trying to establish a new culture. 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.319 They're trying to get guys to go a certain way 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:57.360 inside the building and you know, be to the tune 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.920 of a certain drum. And he probably believes he's a 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:02.800 guy that can help them establish that. He might not 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:04.760 be wrong, right, but are you. 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.560 I just think from an on field perspective. 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.440 Right, is that worth the extra money? 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:12.920 You just you can't bow down to everybody, right like 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.559 you can't because you're handing out these extensions. And that's 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.560 what Judon said yesterday. And this is what people like 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:22.040 like Paul had been worried about with these contract extensions. Internally, 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:26.200 you know, these retaining players with these contract extensions. The 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:29.320 fear is is that Devon Godshaw and Matthew Judon are 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:31.600 going to sit there and say, well, Barmore got his 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:36.640 Remandre got his, Dugger got his you know, where's mine? Right? 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:41.200 And in some respects you do need to be wary 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.440 of that. And I think Judon is a fair gripe 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.200 because of how little he has in money coming to 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.520 him this year. But I just don't feel the same 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.800 way about Godshaw, and I would be careful about just 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:54.960 bending the knee to everybody and just giving everybody a 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:55.440 little something. 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:57.720 So when they were giving out all these extensions, people said, well, 0:14:57.720 --> 0:14:59.680 where do you draw the line, and it's a it's 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:03.160 a fair question. Yeah, it's a fair question. Certainly not 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:09.880 before Matthew Judon he's worth paying Devon Godshaw. Yeah, maybe 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:11.600 that's where you start to have that conversation. I know 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.440 Joshua had been thrown out like certainly with him because 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.240 he just signed a deal like three months ago. But 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:22.040 that's I feel like he's that Devon Godga might be 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:22.880 the answer to that question. 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.720 He might be the line that might be it. Yeah, 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:26.200 he might be. 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.800 Yeah, And that's nothing against him. That's just for where 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.720 they're at, for what he wants. It doesn't make a 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:33.640 lot of sense at that point. You're just signing the 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:34.720 deal kind of to sign it. 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.560 Yeah, yep, I agree, all right, So that's Godshaw. I 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:41.080 do want to circle back really quickly to Antonio Gibson 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.440 in a second, but just a few other bookkeeping notes. 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.080 Keep the book, Sevan, keep on keeping the books. 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:51.520 Pop. Douglas hasn't really been practicing on the last two days. 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.000 You want my theory on this, I do want you. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:55.200 I would call it a theory, not even a take. 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.880 I would call it a theory. They're gonna bury him again. 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.600 Remember last year he had like two great weeks of camp. Yeah, 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.720 and then he just didn't practice and he wasn't hurt anything. 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:06.520 But everybody already knows what he is. Like, what's the 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:07.440 point of burying more. 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:08.320 He's going to be more. 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:09.680 You think he's gonna be. 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:11.240 I think part of it is he's going to be more, 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.000 and part of it is they want to make sure 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:16.600 he's healthy. Yeah, So I think there's a real chance 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:18.120 that they just look at him and say, you're good. 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.520 We got a lot of receivers we need to get 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.000 through to evaluate. We know what you can do. We 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:25.400 don't want you getting hurt. We don't want to show 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:29.600 people the cool, fun gadgety stuff we're gonna do with you. 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.640 Go right, he had the zoomies today at practice. He's 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:33.480 running up and down the sideline on his own. 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:33.960 Yeah. 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.960 Like, I think they're burying him again. So they're hiding him, 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:37.520 hiding him. 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.120 They're not burying him because burying him, that's true, that's 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:40.640 the wrong word. 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:42.040 Yeah, hiding him. 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.000 Because yeah, burying to him to me is like to 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:45.800 make him to the practice squad, which is not what 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.280 the case is with this, right. Hiding him is an 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:49.920 interesting take. I hadn't thought of that. 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:51.360 It's not a take, it's a theory. 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.240 Okay, it's an interesting theory. I hadn't thought of that because, 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:56.680 to me, you have a brand new offense, brand new 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.400 coaching staffer, and new quarterback. You gotta get this guy 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:03.880 reps now. Could they give him reps once the doors 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:09.240 closed to practice? Yep, in the end of August theoretically, 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:11.600 But that's a big question with him and always has 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:16.000 been with him in the draft. Now after his rookie season, 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.320 it is very abundantly clear that Pop Douglas is a 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:23.879 dynamic playmaker, both as a route runner and with the 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:27.159 football in his hands. But at five eight hundred and 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:33.280 eighty pounds can he can he hold up like durability wise? 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.080 Can you feed him one hundred and twenty five targets 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:37.879 a year? Is he going to make it through a 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:42.600 seventeen game season? With that high a volume, because, especially 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.479 on this roster, you'd want to give him that much 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.159 volume because he's the probably the most dynamic player you 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:50.360 have on offense right now, so you'd want to feed 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:52.639 him the rock. But is he gonna be able to 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:55.400 withstand the wear and tear of a season that mays 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:55.800 to be seen? 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:57.880 So maybe that's part of the reason why this time 0:17:57.920 --> 0:17:59.240 you just say, hey, man. 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:00.000 Managing the body blow. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.679 You're good, You're good, we know what you can do. Okay, 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:04.520 I'll see you when the reporters get out of here. 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:07.760 I like that theory, So Barmore, we mentioned the illness 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.880 kind of limited a little bit. Today Pop Douglas has been, 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.960 as Alex said, doing wind sprints off to the side 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:17.040 by himself and having a grand old time with that. 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:24.000 Apparently Devon Godshad pulled in injury, illness whatever, didn't participate 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:24.560 to Jay. 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:26.440 I don't know, we'll see what happens tomorrow. I don't 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.080 want to be like too short sighted on it, but 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:31.720 it would just be so weird for him to come 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:35.040 out the first day full and I mean fully participate 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.560 and then say now I'm good. Yeah, Like that's just 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:40.320 what's the message you're trying to send. 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:45.199 There fair enough and Martin Mopoo, Marte Mapoo, there we go. 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:51.080 Also not very active in today's practice. Was pretty active yesterday. 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.320 I felt like or was playing his role of the defense. 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.159 I guess I should say. I'm not necessarily saying he 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.800 made a ton of splash plays or anything like that 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:00.720 on the ball, but he was out there. He was 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:05.840 participating today, not as much. That one is still to me. 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.640 And you know, when we talked to jirod Mayo say, 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.719 yesterday before practice, we talked a little bit about Marte 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:15.600 Mapu and just what's his role and is he a linebacker? 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:18.280 Is he safety? I feel like they're I don't feel 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:21.800 like he flat out said that they're asking the same 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:25.160 questions internally, yeah, about what he is. So that makes 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.720 our show relevant, I guess, because we have this conversation 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:28.200 once away. 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:31.280 But here's I'm not sitting here telling you I think 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:33.440 he is a linebacker. I'm sitting here telling you try 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:35.960 it and find out. Yeah, and at the very least 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:38.359 do that. And that's kind of what Mayo said. Now 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.439 he said they'll figure that out when the pads come on. So, 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:45.440 for whatever reason, that doesn't start yet. Maybe just because 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:48.680 they feel that you can't fully evaluate that position without pads, 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:52.800 on which he's right. But no, he we've had that, Evan, 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.440 We've had that conversation. Is he a safety? Is he 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.120 a linebacker? I don't know, but you gotta play him 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:00.359 to find out, right, And it sounds like we're going 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.440 to get some of that, you know, again, like we 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.560 said off top of the show, if they do it 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:06.400 in the next three or four days whatever, it's really 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:08.359 once the paths come on that that becomes a little 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:08.960 more interesting. 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:11.119 My take on that is kind of evolving, but I 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:14.240 want to save it because I want to talk about 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:16.480 Marcus Jones in the slot and that's. 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:17.879 Going on there. No, but you have a take. Give 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:18.280 the take. 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:24.200 I wonder with Marte Mapu if there's not a role 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:28.480 for him as as a slot as a nickel where 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:32.080 a lot of teams nowadays are playing more safeties in 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:35.520 that in that spot on early downs, because you were 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:39.280 in the fit as a strong side linebacker essentially, like 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:41.479 that's the new strong side linebacker. There is no more 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:44.439 strong side linebacker, right like you have in a nickel, 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:47.639 you have five defensive backs. You're not necessarily playing you know, 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:51.320 three or four linebackers anymore. So, the nickel or the 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:54.439 slock corner is point is at the point of attack 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:58.440 a lot in the run game. So over the last 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:01.760 couple of years, whether it was Marcus Jones, Jonathan Jones, 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:05.480 Miles Bryant, the Patriots just haven't had a ton of 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:08.639 size in that spot and their run defense hasn't necessarily 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:11.520 taken a huge hit because of it. But I wonder 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:17.199 if Marte Mophu's destiny on this team is to be 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:20.240 like a nickel safety where you know, the guy that 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:22.680 comes to mind for me is Chauncey Gardner Johnson, who's 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:24.919 probably one of the best added in the league. You 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:27.760 know at times, I guess you could make the argument 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:29.840 that Honey Badger plays that type of role as well, 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:31.679 but it does it a little bit in his own way. 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:36.040 But you're talking about I like the idea of discussing 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:40.520 having a bigger body on first, just on early doubts. Sure, 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:43.040 And now if you play a team that's a spread 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:45.280 team that's eleven personnel and they have three receivers on 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:47.560 the field ninety five percent of the time, and they're 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:48.879 in the gun all the time, like you know, you 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:52.720 don't need to. Then it's a game plan player against 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:55.760 these Shanahan Tree offenses that are gonna be heavy, that 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:57.560 are gonna be under center, that are gonna want to 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:01.800 run the ball at you, and is somebody that is 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:04.000 a little bit girthier, a little bit stronger at the 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:07.480 point of attack. Because I like what I've seen from 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:09.760 Marcus Jones in coverage in the slots so. 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:10.480 Far, He's been good. 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:12.959 He's been one of their better players on the field. 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:18.120 He's definitely their best man coverage option in that role 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:23.120 right now to play in the slot. But on first down, 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:26.080 does he all of a sudden become a target for teams, 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:31.840 especially teams like Miami the Jets who are running this 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:34.880 type of offense now with Hackett, Like those teams are 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:37.600 going to look at that and they're gonna say, we 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:40.560 are going to put Marcus Jones at the point of 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:43.159 attack in the run game, and we are going to 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:46.160 make Marcus Jones defeat blocks and make tackles to set 0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:48.560 the edge of the defense. That to me is not 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:50.720 gonna end well for the Patriots. So I do wonder 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:54.600 if Marte mop Who's destiny is a nickel safety, because 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:57.120 he's not gonna play deep. He's really not gonna play 0:22:57.160 --> 0:23:02.159 the Kyle Duggart rover role either, right, like that that's taken. 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:06.600 He's blocked to play like a true box safety's there's 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:08.399 two guys ahead of him on the depth chart to 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:11.160 play that kind of role, and Jabriel Peppers and Kyle Duggar, 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:16.760 and they still don't seem totally gung ho about him 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:18.359 playing at the second level full time. 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:21.520 Uh real quick. First, Phil Perry tooted out two hours ago. 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:23.680 Tomorrow Douglas is dealing with a hand injury. So there 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:26.960 goes my theory. But to your point about Marte Mottswain 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:29.600 was the right exactly. That's why it wasn't take to 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:32.320 your point about Martini Mapu, which I think is interesting 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:35.440 in the in the context of this defense, Like you said, 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:40.880 they haven't necessarily had that big, strong side run presence 0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:44.800 at the second level, but they play a very They 0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:50.199 have played a very disciplined, edge set aware defense with 0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:52.680 Dietrich Wise or whoever's over there, Lawrence guy. At times 0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:55.240 in the past they had a guy whose primary job 0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:55.960 was to do that. 0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:58.960 Yeah, Anthony Jennings, if you want to go for a route, YEA. 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:02.320 So now they've talked about playing this more aggressive defense. 0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:05.640 Maybe those guys aren't as concerned with contained and they're 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:09.199 more concerned about penetrating. If that's the case, now you 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:12.680 are exposing Jonathan Jones, Marcus Jones, whoever's in the slot 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:15.080 more and that's where a player like Marte mop who 0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:15.640 could come in. 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:19.480 Yeah, exactly, that's exactly. We just kind of connected the 0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:21.920 dots for each other because I just feel like, yes, 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:25.080 against certain matchups, if you're gonna play a team that's 0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:28.120 that deploys a true slot receiver, like I'll just give 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:31.600 you examples, because it's easier. When you play Buffalo and 0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:34.439 Khalios Shakir is in the slot, you're not gonna have 0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:37.680 Marte Mopho covering Khalios shaker Like. That's that's a bad 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:40.920 matchup for the Patriots. It's a receiver against the safety, 0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:43.440 slash lineback, whatever you want to call them, right, it's 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:46.320 a bad matchup. That's a more of a matchup for 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:49.480 Marcus Jones, or maybe Alex Austin breaks into the top 0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:52.160 three and Jonathan Jones covers Shakira or whatever the case 0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:56.840 may be. But when you get into these Dolphins Jets, 0:24:57.160 --> 0:25:00.560 you know San Francisco, which they'll play this year. Those 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:03.560 types of teams they are going to run a lot 0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:06.080 more a twenty one or twelve. They're gonna be more 0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:08.919 heavy personnel, and then you can match heavy with heavy 0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:11.480 and maybe be in like a three safety nickel. And 0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:14.359 if you're in a three safety nickel, maybe Marte Mapu 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:17.720 is your is your third safety as the nickel safety. 0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:22.080 That to me is a really good idea. It's a theory, 0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:26.159 a really good theory for Marte Mapu. He's gotta be healthy. 0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:29.919 Whatever happened with him today, I don't know. And second 0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:34.040 to that, I do think that there is a world 0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:38.879 where that is a somewhat limited role, where it's a 0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:42.800 strictly game plan style thing. And if that's the case, 0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:46.760 then he might only be a thirty thirty five percent 0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.040 snap guy at the end of the year, and then 0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:50.960 we're gonna have the conversation of, well, he was a 0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:52.760 top one hundred pick and he's not playing well. 0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:57.040 If he's here, play him where he's gonna help you 0:25:57.080 --> 0:25:59.200 the most, or don't play him if that's what's gonna 0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:01.760 help you the most. Like he's here, we can bemoan 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:03.639 the draft pick all we want, but in the context 0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:05.720 of the twenty twenty four Patriots, oh well then they 0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:08.280 shouldn't have taken him. Doesn't do anything fair enough, So 0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:10.480 you gotta at this point, it's up to Gerard Mayo 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:13.360 and DeMarcus Covington to figure out where can this guy 0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:16.320 help us the most or just understand, yes, he was 0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:18.320 a third round pick, but we don't have a role 0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:20.760 for him, so we're just gonna leave him on special 0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:22.600 teams because that's what's best for the football team. 0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:25.399 Yeah. I've always just loved Chauncey Gardner Johnson's game. He 0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:27.480 has a good player. I think he's a dog he plays. 0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:29.800 I mean, he's got another I'm sure he's a nice guy, 0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:32.400 but he's got another level of angry an a hole 0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:33.520 in him when he's on the field. 0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:36.359 He's a dog. And I feel like the league in 0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:40.119 a lot of ways, has trended in this direction because 0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:43.480 of all these Shanahan inspired teams. You just can't get 0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:46.320 away with having a hundred and eighty pound corner on 0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:47.640 the field in the slot anymore. 0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:49.359 Like well, I even just like I looked him up 0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:51.960 when you said that, and he's listed at toh five 0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.840 eleven to eight. I would have guessed he's playing closer 0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:56.280 to to twenty the way he plays. 0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:59.919 Yeah, he's I mean, dude, all right really quickly, So 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:03.159 going back to Antonio Gibson, this is something that we 0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:06.720 have talked about a ton on this show, and you 0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:08.919 a couple of weeks ago when we were doing one 0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:11.919 of those offseason shows we got we got into a 0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:16.359 discussion about, wow, I care me Evan, I care about 0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:20.920 RB three on this team and has hell frozen over? 0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:23.680 Like what's going on here? Right? Like the RBS don't matter? 0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:27.960 Guy cares about running backs. This is exactly why, because 0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:30.959 for the first two days of training camp, Antonio Gibson 0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:33.200 has not participated. Now, the good news is that girod 0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:36.159 Mayo doesn't feel like it's serious, and he was out 0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:41.560 there today in uniform from briefly stretched then he disappeared 0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:44.480 to the conditioning field. But that does usually signal that 0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:47.240 he's getting closer, right, Like it's not going to be 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:49.639 a long term absence, like he's not going to be 0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:51.560 out for the year or anything like that, Like he's 0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:55.200 gonna play. So with that being said, though, it has 0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:57.720 opened the door to the fact that they do not 0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:01.320 have a whole lot of proven running back depth behind Rermandra, 0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:04.560 Stevenson and Gibson. So we're back to this whole thing again. 0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:07.320 You know, do they have a guy on the roster 0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:10.720 that we feel like can carve out a role as 0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:13.760 the third running back? Do they have a guy that 0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:15.880 they can keep around, whether it's on the active roster, 0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:17.400 the practice squad, is a fourth running back? 0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:17.480 Like? 0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:18.560 Do they have enough running backs? 0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:18.800 Right? 0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:21.520 It's really what I'm trying to say, period, And uh, 0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.680 something tells me that this might end with Elliot Wolf 0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:27.040 having to get on the horn and calling in a 0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:29.080 veteran running back that has some NFL experience. 0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:33.760 I'll tell you this. They worked out uh Monday. Do 0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:35.240 you remember to Meetric Felton. 0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:36.119 Yes, So it's funny. 0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:38.120 So we were big to Meetric Felton guys in the 0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:39.120 draft that year. 0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:41.320 We were big, and I was a big Antonio Gibson guy. 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:44.120 And it's kind of a Spider Man meme situation. They're 0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:45.240 they're pretty similar players. 0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:47.520 They're Felton's much smaller. 0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:49.600 But they're in terms of how they've been were used 0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:51.360 in college. I remember them being pretty similar. 0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:55.680 We kind of Felton was a converted receiver Felton Playnio Gibson. Oh, 0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:57.760 that's right, he was. Yeah, it's just much big. I 0:28:57.760 --> 0:28:59.280 just think it was much bigger as felt and small. 0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:01.280 But he can turn kicks and things like that. And 0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:03.280 he played for Van Pelt for two years in Cleveland. 0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:06.120 So a guy like that, I would take Felton over 0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:08.960 any of the third options they have, unless they want 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:11.640 just a bowling ball, in which case Felton's definitely not 0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:13.320 the guys like one hundred and eighty pounds is. 0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:15.000 Really that small? I gotta look this up. 0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:18.920 I might be maybe he's I think he's like five 0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:23.080 eight one ninety five ninety five. 0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:25.280 Is what I'm saying. Okay, so yeah, so he's smaller 0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:27.880 than I thought he was. Yeah, okay, so he's he's 0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:31.280 definitely more quick. Yeah, he's definitely more of like a 0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:35.360 scatback type. Yeah, like Antonio Gibson's fast, really fastened a 0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:36.600 straight line is explosive. 0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:38.800 Well, we were talking about Felton in that draft as 0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:40.560 being like a potential James White replacement. 0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:43.920 Yeah, but it doesn't It doesn't surprise me at all 0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:46.920 that their call was to Demitric Felton for that workout 0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:49.160 when they weren't one hundred percent sure of what was 0:29:49.200 --> 0:29:52.680 going on with Antonio Gibson because I do think stylistically 0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:56.720 they should fit into similar roles within the confines of 0:29:56.760 --> 0:30:00.280 the offense. But I guess it's one of the those 0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:03.080 things of like why not both right? You know, I 0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:05.800 hear you. I mean the way that I've seen it, 0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:08.160 and I you know, I probably haven't done as good 0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:09.760 of a job as tracking this because we've been on 0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:11.840 the air for the first two practices, but it seems 0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:15.880 like Kevin Harris is getting the lion Sharon's Yeah, the 0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:18.600 most three reps right now hasn't been a whole lot 0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:21.720 of Jamichael Hasty Nope as of right now, and it 0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:23.680 hasn't been a whole lot of was. 0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:27.440 It Sean haven't seen him? And then Charrell Jennings on pups. 0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:30.720 Right, So where's our confidence level with Kevin Harris. 0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:32.800 I gotta see him in the pads, come on. I mean, 0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:34.760 I haven't seen much from him, but he's a two 0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:37.400 hundred and twenty pounds downhill running back like it doesn't 0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:38.920 really matter with him till the pass going. He did 0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:41.120 drop a screen today, I think or misplayed a ball 0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:43.840 on a screen, But yeah, you're not throwing him screens. 0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:46.160 He's not on the field to catch screens. He's on 0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:47.880 the field to put his helmet in some guy's chest 0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:51.600 and push him backwards. So we'll see. I mean, I've 0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:54.400 liked the flashes, there's just been so few and far between. 0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:56.120 And that's not his fault. He hasn'ten given a ton 0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:58.360 of opportunities. But where's he at in year three? 0:30:58.440 --> 0:30:58.680 Right? 0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:00.560 You know, where's his development at? And I just think 0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:02.600 having another option and a guy like Felton would make 0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:03.200 a lot of sense. 0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:05.200 It's a very very small sample size for him in 0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:07.480 the NFL. I think it's seventeen career carries or something 0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:10.280 like that. It's if maybe that was one year. It's 0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:12.239 not a lot and I shouldn't do these things off 0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:13.840 the top of my head anymore because my memory is 0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:16.520 not that great. But he hasn't had a lot of 0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:18.720 carries or opportunities in the NFL. It is. 0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:23.520 Thirty four carries eighteen two years ago, sixteen last. 0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:25.240 Year I had, I was right in the middle. I 0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:27.000 knew seventeen was my average. 0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:29.840 Seventeen carries a year, yes. 0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:32.600 So it's not a small a large sample size, but 0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:37.120 his yards after contact data as a rookie was decent. 0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:39.000 Well, But he had that one run in Arizona. 0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:41.600 He had one run in Arizona. That's probably to that 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:45.320 brought up the sample size right right. But he's had 0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:48.280 moments and he's had moments in preseason games as well. 0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:51.880 He's not he's not a big play explosive guy. He's 0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.320 a bowling ball. He's you know, a big back that's 0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:58.040 going to that's going to run people over. But as 0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:03.160 a between the tackles running back, he should be able 0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:05.480 to get the job done in a pinch. It's not 0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:08.080 it's not a great option. Like I'm not sitting here 0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:11.280 and tell you that they have tremendous running back depth. 0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:15.040 But with the way that we the way that we 0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:18.400 know running back value is equated, is he one of 0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:21.920 those guys that can just get what's blocked right? Like 0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:24.120 I always call it the Ben Jarvis greenellis, like, can 0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:26.600 he just get the four yards that's there and fumble 0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:29.440 and not fumble and every once in a while maybe 0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:31.959 he breaks a tackle or runs over somebody for an 0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:34.320 extra couple of yards and we're in business, Like that's 0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:36.920 all you're really looking for out of that spot. I 0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:39.160 think that's possible. If you're looking for somebody that's a 0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:40.880 little bit more explosive, that's going to be a little 0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:44.040 bit more dynamic, then maybe you're calling Demetric Felton or 0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:48.360 somebody else. Right, So emailer will emails and ask, you know, 0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:50.320 talking about the running backs. A couple of emails about 0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:53.520 these actually outs to us about the running backs and the. 0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:55.200 Only show's gonna talk about I tried to get Felger 0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:57.400 to talk about it last week, so it's like pins 0:32:57.400 --> 0:32:57.920 in his eyes. 0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:01.000 It's one of those things that I've been reluctant to 0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:02.680 talk about it too, because you know how I feel 0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:07.800 about the running game. Yeah, but I have to be honest, 0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:10.240 and that is that they're going to run the ball. 0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:12.280 It's going to be a big part of their offense. Yep. 0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:16.120 I'm not totally gung ho about it, but that's what 0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:16.920 they are going to do. 0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:19.080 You're doing your job, as I always say, it's your 0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:19.920 job having do it. 0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:23.640 And just like in Cleveland, which we've seen in Cleveland 0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:25.160 over the years with Nick Chubb and some of their 0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:27.800 other backs, they drop like flies sometimes and all of 0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:29.880 a sudden, you're on, who is that guy that had 0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:31.800 that big Thursday night game in Cleveland a couple of 0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:35.600 years ago that I'm breaking up a God, we should 0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:38.240 remember this, but yeah, you know it's like you you 0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:40.480 pull somebody off the street and all of a sudden, 0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:42.560 he's got one hundred and fifty yard game, right like that. 0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:45.640 Those types of guys are important and over the course 0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:48.480 of seventeen games. It's not what you're banking on your 0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:51.719 whole season, but if you need a spot start here 0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:56.600 and there, that needs to happen. He did get some 0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:59.720 carries for them last year, yeah, without but no, not 0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:01.560 the the guy I'm thinking of is not your own 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:04.880 form is a couple of years ago. It wasn't last year. 0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:06.600 I was like, I think it's two or three years ago. 0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:10.000 But the emailer asks a question that I feel like 0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:12.320 we've been asked a million times about running backs, and 0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:15.480 that that's Kareem Hunt. And yes, he does have the 0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:17.960 experience in Cleveland with alex Van Pelton. It's a it's 0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:22.200 a it's an obvious connection, but I still remain skeptical 0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:27.840 that organizationally, Kareem Hunt is going to be of interest. 0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:34.640 Oh sorry, it was to Ernest Johnson, AAF Legends, the Orlando. 0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:37.360 Apollos Dearrenis Johnson on Hunt. 0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:40.120 Yeah, I'm with you, there's organizationally doesn't make a lot 0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:43.880 of sense. I've read some things. I don't know how 0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:48.200 much I believe them. I've seen a couple people list 0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:52.600 Nick Chubb as like a surprise camp cut. What right. 0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:54.560 I don't know where that's coming from. 0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:56.120 That's what happening. 0:34:56.520 --> 0:34:59.200 I mean, it shouldn't even be twenty four hours before 0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:02.640 he's here. If that happens, that's not happening. I'm telling 0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:03.520 you what I saw. 0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:07.200 That's crazy. That's not the best running backs in the league. 0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:09.200 Absolutely. I don't know if they're thinking, like new offensive 0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:12.120 coaching staff and he's coming off the knee and whatever's. 0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:13.960 Coming off one of the more gruesome knee injuries we've 0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:15.680 seen in the last couple of years in the league. 0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:19.720 Like that was brutal injury that he had, so maybe, 0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:21.479 I mean, do you remember that it came out at 0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:23.719 like I don't know if it was him or somebody else. 0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:25.360 I got ahold of the of the X ray and 0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:27.440 the MRI I from that knee injury, and it's just 0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:31.439 like a n No, I'm pretty sure that was real. 0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:35.440 Yeah, people are talking about him as like a potential 0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:38.240 trade candidate. And that's wild A couple of places. 0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:38.840 That's wild. 0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:42.000 Well, that's they'd be dumb do it. They'd be dumb 0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:44.600 to do it, like I wouldn't count on it. That 0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:45.880 shouldn't be plan a. 0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:51.000 No, they it's an honest, fair question to have about 0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:51.879 their running back depth. 0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:54.359 I'll give you one while we're on this, all right, 0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:56.200 So they're not gonna I don't think they're gonna move 0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:59.000 on from Chubb. Maybe he opens the season on pup. Yeah, 0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:02.400 but but you know they have Jerome Ford, solid player, 0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:04.440 they have daunt the foreman, solid player, Like they are 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:07.200 kind of deep. There a running back behind him, Naim 0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:09.319 Hines as they have me. He's on a five they have. Um, 0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:13.280 you call about Pierre Strong or if he gets cut 0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:15.919 like they had, Pelt clearly wanted him. 0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:17.359 It's a better fit. 0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:19.120 It's a better fit. 0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:20.880 It's a better fit. This is the offense that they 0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:21.880 drafted Pierre Strong. 0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:24.840 I would absolutely take Pierre Strong back if that opportunity 0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:26.719 put himself and he was decent for them last year. 0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:28.440 I wouldn't be surprised they made a couple of plays 0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:32.160 with them last year. Elliot Wolf Macroe still here. Yeah, 0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:35.400 twenty two draft class. That was the offense that they 0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:38.680 drafted him and Cole Strange and taikwad Thornton to be 0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:41.240 a part of was to be more outside zone heavy, 0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:43.320 and that's told they were trying to do that with Patricia. 0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:47.759 It's possible. That's a good call like that. That's probably 0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:50.600 if he's fallows out of favor there, if he's a 0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:55.480 cut candidate, could they retrade him back to the Patriots, 0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:59.520 you know, like obviously for a very minimal compensation. Yeah, 0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:03.200 but something along those lines. Not a bad shout, Not 0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:04.799 a bad shout. All right, let's take some of these 0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:07.520 phone calls and then we'll get to some of our 0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:10.799 other practice notes. I just want to point out there's 0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:14.680 no other show, there's no other Patriots show that's gonna 0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:18.799 go forty minutes nowhere without talking about the quarterbacks. We 0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:21.520 went forty minutes without even mentioning Drake May's name. I 0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:23.320 think I think I talked about him very briefly. 0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:25.880 That that's what we do here. We talked about the 0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:29.680 third running back and the nose tackle, and. 0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:32.200 You can maybe linebacker safety and. 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:36.000 Us trying to you know, put our our coaches hats 0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:39.160 on and talk about Martin Hapu's role and you can 0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:42.080 save your quarterback talk. That's what we take it. Elsewhere. 0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:43.279 Where's our awards? 0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:51.719 All right? Matthew is in Virginia? What's up, Matthew? Matthew? Hello, Hey, 0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:52.440 how's it going right? 0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:53.800 Can you hear me? 0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:54.919 Yes? Go for it. 0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:59.200 So I just have two questions for you guys. The 0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:02.080 first one is, uh, did you guys see Gonzo? Was 0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:04.120 he looking good out there today? I know he's coming 0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:06.640 off that shoulder injury, but you know, if he's he's 0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:08.080 looking good, I have a lot of faith he can 0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:11.200 be a top five corner. And the second thing is, 0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:13.640 I'm actually going to college this year. I just graduated 0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:16.399 high school. I'm going into college for journalism. I'm hoping 0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:19.120 to be a sports journalist. Do you guys have any 0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:23.440 tips for maybe a new starting sports journalist or want 0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:24.240 to be beat reporter? 0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:28.279 Thanks, guys, thanks for the call, Matthew. So we'll answer 0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:31.680 both questions that The first question with Christian Zaz, he's 0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:35.279 been out there and participating in full, which is for 0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:36.759 right now is all I wanted to see. 0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:38.360 It's all you gotta say. And I asked him about 0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:41.239 that after practice today. Just with that, you know, is 0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:42.640 it nice to be back out there. So it's the 0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:43.560 best feeling in the world. 0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:43.960 Yeah. 0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:46.439 So and he's moving well and all that. Like, Yeah, 0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:48.319 I don't want to downplay. I mean, he had a 0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:52.440 serious injury, but upper body injuries, lower body injuries, they're different, 0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:53.720 especially for corners. 0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:56.800 Yeah, and he's been healthy for quite some time. Yeah. Yeah, 0:38:56.840 --> 0:39:00.600 so he he's good to go. He looks pretty smooth 0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:02.680 out there. I would say he's probably still getting his 0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:05.560 sea legs a little bit. You know, he's let up 0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:07.319 a catch in front of him to Jalen Polk today. 0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:09.719 Not anything to like panic about or anything like that, 0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:13.600 but I I feel like, you know, in terms of 0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:16.160 just getting back into the swing of things. You know, 0:39:16.200 --> 0:39:20.319 he's gonna maybe be a beat behind, But for right now, 0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:23.560 the most important thing is that he's physically out there, 0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:27.120 looks the part, looks like Christian Gonzalez moving around grade 0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:30.400 and is healthy and that's the most important thing, all right, quickly, 0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:31.759 one piece of advice. 0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:35.000 Uh, don't say no to any opportunity. Nothing's blow you, 0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:37.680 nothing's too small, nothing's whatever, or even just the more 0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:40.120 you're saying yes, people know that all right, I can 0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:42.680 count on this person. He's available, he's willing all that. 0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:45.799 So I remember coming back from spring break Evan Ethic 0:39:45.800 --> 0:39:47.600 of college and getting a text that they needed somebody 0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:50.640 to fill a six twenty six am sports update shift 0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:52.600 on the radio. This is like a five minute shift. 0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:54.960 You read a report, you're done, and I said yes, 0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:59.040 because that's just what you do. And afterwards somebody say, hey, 0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:00.960 you don't really appreciate you filling in for that, Like 0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:04.520 we noticed that things like that, So uh, never, the 0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:07.200 word no should not be a part of your vocabulary professionally. 0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:10.400 You walk that walk by the way, because you're on 0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:11.840 like seventeen different podcasts. 0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:15.279 This is my second or four shows to Yeah, that's 0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:17.640 not advice or somebody going into college. This is just 0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:19.600 life advice for this field. 0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:22.719 You walk that walk for sure. Like sometimes I even 0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:25.560 ask you, like why are you doing this show? And 0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:28.759 it's because somebody asked me that's why. Yeah, you're you're 0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:31.600 a better man than me. My one piece of advice. 0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:35.160 I would say, I got great advice from somebody once 0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:38.799 that I tell you probably heard this seventeen times, but 0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:41.320 they said, you know, they asked me like, who's who's 0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:44.160 somebody that currently has a job that you would want, 0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:47.360 that you emulate, you know, that you look up to. 0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:50.120 And at the time I said, I said Reese, And 0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:53.000 I said, you know, I want to be a Patriots 0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:55.799 beat reporter. I want to be Mike Greece. And he 0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:59.759 said to me, well, then be Mike Greece. And I 0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:01.480 was like, what are you talking about, Like, I don't 0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:04.399 work for ESPN. I can't, I'm not credentialed, like I 0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:07.600 can't just but his point was kind of fake it 0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:09.560 till you make it, Like no one really knows what 0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:12.000 you're doing until you do it, you know. And and 0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:14.920 so there's no rule book, there's no playbook on like 0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:18.360 how to be a beat reporter. There's no real guideline 0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:22.680 or you know whatever. He said to just watch what 0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:24.480 Reese does, and. 0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:25.440 It's great advice. 0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:26.160 Trying to do what he does. 0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:28.160 It's great advice. And it's you know, something I alway 0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:29.440 think about. You know, how they say dressed for the 0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:31.760 job you want, not the job you have. Yeah, dressing 0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:34.120 act like it. Yeah, I mean do the job you 0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:37.080 currently have too, But you know, act act the way 0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:38.520 you want. Have about Reese, by the way he's been 0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:41.160 doing videos with some of those like, you know, younger 0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:43.160 kids who are trying to get into this at camp. Yeah, 0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:45.399 I love that, you know, our buddies act. I saw 0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:47.799 us out there in Carlos. That's awesome, man, Good for them, 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:48.319 Good for him. 0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:50.120 He looks like he's been hitting the gym a little bit. 0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:50.520 He does. 0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:51.120 He's in shape. 0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:54.040 Talk about we always do to coming who's who came 0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:56.160 into camp in shape, who looks like they're they're in good. 0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:59.560 Shack, best shape of his life there, I say, Mike. 0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:02.200 That's that's how we do it. That's usually the euphemism. 0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:05.040 All right, Colleen is in Houston. What's up Colleen? 0:42:06.840 --> 0:42:08.200 Hey, guys, can you hear me? 0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:08.760 Yes? 0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:10.480 Okay. 0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:13.400 So I was thinking about like what I want or 0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:17.239 expect from this season. And I don't expect playoffs. I 0:42:17.239 --> 0:42:19.600 don't think most people do. But some people during up 0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:22.919 two thousand and one and like that was a phenomenon. 0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:26.440 It'll never happen again, especially to the team it already 0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:29.959 happened for. But I was thinking about what I would 0:42:30.040 --> 0:42:34.880 consider a successful season, and for me, I want to 0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:38.040 see my team win. But if we get a great 0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:41.640 draft pick and we can trade back and get a 0:42:41.719 --> 0:42:46.960 left tackle and a wide receiver. Somehow finagle that that 0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:50.239 would be a great year for me. But like last 0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:53.160 year when we beat the Broncos, I was all on board, 0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:56.799 like I was super happy. So I'm curious, is there 0:42:57.200 --> 0:43:00.640 a number of wins or a draft to position that 0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:05.560 you would consider a successful season? And then very quickly go, Matthew, 0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:09.520 you sound super wholesome. I believe in you. And also 0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:13.880 I'm pissed that Joe alt is becoming a right tackle 0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:15.720 because he was such a good left tackle. 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:18.719 The good point like a way, Okay, thanks for the 0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:19.399 great call. 0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:22.040 Colling nailed it on Joe Walton. What the hell is 0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:22.839 horrible I doing? 0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:25.759 Are we sure Jim Harbad knows is like all there? Like, 0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:28.360 are we sure that he's going to be good at this? No? 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:29.360 No, I don't think he is. 0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:31.400 Did you see that he was wearing cleats out to 0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:32.960 practice like he's listening him up. 0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:34.719 I don't remember if it was on this show. I 0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:35.759 was on a show. 0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:37.040 He's worrying me a little bit. 0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:39.799 And I dropped this take. No, this is I said 0:43:39.800 --> 0:43:40.920 this on the Sports I think I was on with 0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:43.200 Joe Murray. You want a hot take for the twenty 0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:45.920 twenty four NFL season, Jim Harbas thinks Jim Harbaugh's won 0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:46.400 and done. 0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:48.120 Oh one and done. 0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:50.879 Jim Harbaugh's won and done, whether he's not good enough 0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:52.600 or he just realizes I don't want to do this. 0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:54.480 I want to go back to college because it's a 0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:55.359 very different. 0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:56.040 Game, it's a different animal. 0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:58.480 I think Jim Harbaugh's won and done in LA just. 0:43:58.440 --> 0:44:00.000 Some of the things, you know, the Joe All things, 0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:02.000 I couldn't agree more. Now they have ever shown Slater, 0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:04.160 who's one of the best left tackles in the league. Right, 0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:05.319 So it's it's hard to. 0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:10.680 Trade down, Yeah, I mean trade down draft Fuanga, wasn't it. 0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:12.440 Some of the reports at the time that they tried 0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:14.799 or that was sort of I feel like that was 0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:15.280 the playoff. 0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:17.800 Well, if they couldn't get anybody to take the fifth 0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:19.359 overall picked didn't try hard enough. 0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:21.960 Well, all the quarterbacks were gone. So what you're not 0:44:22.000 --> 0:44:29.960 trading up for J. J. McCarthy or Pennixons. Yeah, I guesslie. 0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:31.359 Neighbors went six, right. 0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:34.800 I meant to say neighbors. Somebody wanted the neighbors wanted 0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:38.160 to jump the Giants from nobody wanted Joe allt you 0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:41.200 have a franchise left ackle sitting there. Yeah, nobody wanted 0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:43.480 Joe all And and to to Colleen's point, to go 0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:46.319 to another part of that question, what's a successful season, Like, 0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:49.040 I don't know that it's a win total or a 0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:53.560 specific draft pick number, because I said this last year, like, 0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:56.400 there's no such thing as too many wins. They have 0:44:56.480 --> 0:44:58.799 to build a competitive culture. You don't want losing to 0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:01.840 become habitual. And the reality is they're in a position 0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:03.640 where they should be able to move around the draft 0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:05.560 board as they need. They're probably gonna end up with 0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:08.560 the top ten pick. There's two stud tackles we think 0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:10.640 in this draft, and Will Campbell and Calvin Banks. You 0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:14.440 see Will Campbell put up six sixteen on squad rack 0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:18.759 with a wink. He might be special. He might be special. Yeah, 0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:20.839 But anyway, and look, if they walk out with Will 0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:22.640 Campbell or Kelvin Banks, that'd be great. If they can 0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:24.800 move up and take a receiver at that point, you 0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:26.920 might just be better off trading that second round pick 0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:30.799 for a veteran receiver. But yeah, I don't think there's 0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:33.120 like a number which a successful season to me is 0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:37.080 growth And I know that sounds like corporate and people 0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:40.000 might cringe at that, but I mean it, especially when 0:45:40.040 --> 0:45:43.080 it comes to Drake May. I got this weird question 0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:45.160 in a mail bag the other day, and I thought 0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:47.480 it was a good thought experiment and it's lacking context. 0:45:47.560 --> 0:45:50.719 But the question was, would I rather see Drake May 0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:55.160 play four really good games and get hurt or play 0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:56.960 eight meg games and end of the year. 0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:58.880 Healthy like a Joe Burrow situation. 0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:03.160 I guess yeah, to which I said, well, if the 0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:06.760 eight games are so so, but he's still getting better 0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:09.920 throughout them, I would rather that than four games and 0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:11.840 he gets hurt because season any injury. Who knows what 0:46:11.880 --> 0:46:14.040 that means for his future league. I just need to 0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:16.200 see him be better at the end than they're at 0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:18.560 the beginning, especially the way this team has fallen off 0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:21.680 late in the season the last few years. So you know, 0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:23.920 if they went in four games, but two of those 0:46:24.000 --> 0:46:26.839 wins are in December, you you might feel good about that. 0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:29.280 You might feel good about that going into the offseason. 0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:30.600 Who did that a couple of years ago? 0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:35.400 Detroit, Detroit, they were They got a little bit hotter 0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:38.200 than just that. They They ended the year I think winning, 0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:41.200 They almost made the playoffs. They they they fumbled the 0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:42.640 bag at the end of the year to make the 0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:46.120 playoffs if I remember correctly. So they they won like 0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:48.840 I don't know, seven or eight games. I want to say, 0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:50.920 again doing things off the top of my head that 0:46:50.960 --> 0:46:54.399 I shouldn't do. But that's the team that I look at. 0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:57.960 Everybody wants to be the Texans last year. That's probably 0:46:58.000 --> 0:46:58.440 a little lot. 0:46:58.480 --> 0:46:59.280 That's the apex. 0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:03.239 But Detroit a few years ago now built totally different, right, 0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:05.960 they traded for their quarterback and all that kind of stuff. 0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:10.160 But Detroit a few years ago, they were on the up. 0:47:10.440 --> 0:47:12.480 They finished the season on a high. They just barely 0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:14.959 missed out on the playoffs. And then they came back 0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:17.279 last year and we're one of the best teams in 0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:19.000 football right wired to wire. 0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:21.960 So I mean, again, just be better at the end 0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:23.279 than the are at the beginning. That goes for Trake. 0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:24.600 Maybe that goes for the team as a whole. 0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:27.520 Yeah, I thought that, Gerrod Mayo and I want to 0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:28.920 look up this Detroit thing because it's. 0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:30.200 Back as you look it up, even going back to 0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:32.400 twenty one. A lot of people and I was not 0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:34.239 in this group, so and people have taken a victory 0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:36.279 lap on this recognizing what the fall off at the 0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:38.560 end of the twenty twenty one season was. You had 0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:41.040 what looked like a successful season with the rookie quarterback 0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:42.600 and it turned out to be a little fools goal. 0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:46.239 So they won nine games. Detroit in twenty twenty two 0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:48.600 didn't make the playoffs though, and. 0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:50.360 Right they lost to the or No. They played the 0:47:50.400 --> 0:47:53.200 Packers in the Sunday night game, but they something else 0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:55.120 happened earlier in the day was supposed to be for 0:47:55.160 --> 0:47:56.920 the playoffs, and they knocked the Packers and then it 0:47:56.960 --> 0:47:57.120 was it. 0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:00.279 Yeah. And then in twenty twenty three. Of course, last 0:48:00.320 --> 0:48:02.600 year they go twelve and five make it to the 0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:06.279 end NFC Championship game, so that that that's definitely another path. 0:48:06.760 --> 0:48:09.000 But in terms of successful season, I agree with you 0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:11.239 that it's not necessarily on wins and losses, and it's 0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:15.120 probably something that we're gonna see and feel more than 0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:17.840 it's going to be tangible of they won eight games, 0:48:17.840 --> 0:48:20.600 they won nine games. But I thought Geron Mayo had 0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:23.440 a great answer to the question about this exact question 0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:26.520 on Tuesday what is a successful season when he said 0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:29.279 it that we've laid a foundation that this year is 0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:32.800 all about laying a foundation, just like that Detroit team 0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:35.840 did in twenty twenty two where they won nine games. 0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:38.360 That was a found They knew that they had built 0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:41.759 a foundation, that we were going in an upward trajectory. 0:48:42.560 --> 0:48:44.160 I hope that the Patriots are doing the same thing. 0:48:44.160 --> 0:48:45.759 It might not be as fruval like. They might not 0:48:46.120 --> 0:48:48.480 get to nine wins, maybe it's only four or five wins, 0:48:48.760 --> 0:48:50.880 but you want to come off the year feeling like 0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:54.239 they're building towards something in a positive way, and that 0:48:54.239 --> 0:48:57.120 that really does start with the quarterback. So we got 0:48:57.120 --> 0:49:00.120 to we're now forty five minutes in without talking about 0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:02.400 the quarterbacks in detail. So now we can get to 0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:05.319 the quarterbacks. But before we do, has your work from 0:49:05.360 --> 0:49:09.400 home space turned into and everything from home space. 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How 0:49:40.120 --> 0:49:43.960 do you feel about that, Alex, Yeah, I mean so Bazuka. 0:49:44.320 --> 0:49:45.239 I'm not gonna get too much. 0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:47.320 He doesn't like Bazuka, so we need a different No. 0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:49.799 What we came up with it the other room. 0:49:50.640 --> 0:49:52.719 The Manhattan Project, the Manhattan Project. That's right. 0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:54.880 You thought he's gonna be a secret the Manhattan Project. 0:49:54.920 --> 0:49:56.319 We're going to let him throw in front of people. 0:49:56.360 --> 0:49:58.719 The Manhattan Project is moving up to depth chart, so 0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:01.640 I don't think he is. I'll tell you what I 0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:02.239 think today was. 0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:03.280 You think they're gonna rotate? 0:50:03.440 --> 0:50:05.520 Yeah, I think that's how they're going to maximize the 0:50:05.560 --> 0:50:09.240 reps for Jacoby Brissett and Drake May is that third spot. 0:50:09.320 --> 0:50:11.040 One day it will be a Zappy day. One day 0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:12.759 will be Milton day. Now, maybe I'm wrong, Maybe we 0:50:12.800 --> 0:50:15.359 come out tomorrow it's Joe Milton again. But if I'm 0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:18.080 as much as I see Joe Milton throw the ball 0:50:18.280 --> 0:50:20.759 and he was humming it today, I thought too much 0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:23.279 on some of those Yeah, he had he had won 0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:26.160 a Kwan Baker. They took Kawad Baker's fingers off. Yeah, 0:50:26.160 --> 0:50:27.479 he went down to the books as a drop. 0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:27.880 Wow. 0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:31.280 I think that's how they're gonna split the rep. Because 0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:34.840 I've said this, you still want to rep Joe Milton. 0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:39.000 I understand the priorities are Drake May's development and getting 0:50:39.040 --> 0:50:41.160 Jacoby Brissett ready for the season, and those should be 0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:44.239 the priorities. So it should be the heavy priorities. But 0:50:44.360 --> 0:50:46.920 you can't just let you invested. It's a six round pick. 0:50:47.000 --> 0:50:49.719 He invested something in Joe Milton. You can't just let 0:50:49.800 --> 0:50:52.279 him sit there and do nothing. And for what it's worth, 0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:54.359 you have other guys that are, you know, in their 0:50:54.400 --> 0:50:56.480 equivalent spot in the depth chart that you want to rep, 0:50:56.520 --> 0:50:59.040 and maybe you don't want your top quarterbacks throwing into 0:50:59.040 --> 0:51:02.160 those guys. There'd be reasons for that. So you do 0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:05.240 need a third quarterback, You do need somebody in that role. 0:51:05.560 --> 0:51:09.279 But rather than going third than fourth, it maximizes the 0:51:09.320 --> 0:51:12.880 opportunities for May and Bersett to just alternate Zappi and 0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:13.600 Milton each day. 0:51:13.800 --> 0:51:16.399 I would like to see a little bit more touch 0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:18.200 on some of those underneath throws from Joe Milton. 0:51:18.280 --> 0:51:21.120 He did have one good touch throw but I don't 0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:23.319 know if I don't know if it exists. No, he 0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:24.240 did have one today. 0:51:24.320 --> 0:51:26.600 No, I know, but I don't know if it like consistently. 0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:29.440 Right, They needs to do it more. Yeah, he needs 0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:29.920 to do it more. 0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:33.480 But with that being said, and he hasn't necessarily uncorked 0:51:33.480 --> 0:51:34.960 the deep ball yet, like we haven't seen one of 0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:37.719 those sixty five yards in the air type throws. But 0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:41.239 he did have a throw today. It was a bootleg 0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:43.560 and we'll get to some of the disasters on some 0:51:43.640 --> 0:51:47.000 of these bootlegs. But he bootlegged and there's a defender 0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:49.400 right in his face and he just kind of flicked 0:51:49.400 --> 0:51:51.160 the ball out to the sideline. I think it was 0:51:51.920 --> 0:51:53.640 as to one of the tight ends. Might be it 0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:57.040 was a Michael Peedaway or Jahane Bell, and it was 0:51:57.120 --> 0:52:02.440 like effortless, Like that's not it should not look that easy, 0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:06.480 right that on a line feet not said, dude in 0:52:06.480 --> 0:52:09.000 your face, just kind of drop the arm angle and 0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:11.480 just flick the wrists and the ball just jumps out there. 0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:14.200 It shouldn't look that easy. It does for Joe Milton. 0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:17.360 Let's start with Jacoby Brissett though, or let's continue. 0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:19.439 No, we started too late. We started with Joe Milton, 0:52:19.600 --> 0:52:20.400 you made that decision. 0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:23.680 I know what Jacob PRIs said. I said earlier on 0:52:24.080 --> 0:52:26.520 PU and I'm getting getting some flak for you know me, 0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:29.520 sometimes I say things a little bit too strong that 0:52:29.560 --> 0:52:31.839 I don't actually need to come out as strong as 0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:34.560 as I said it. I said that nobody cares about 0:52:34.600 --> 0:52:38.719 Jacoby were set And again, I promise you done of 0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:41.760 the things I say on here are personal to the player, 0:52:41.840 --> 0:52:45.719 to the person. But frankly, we're out here watching these 0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:50.719 practices to evaluate Drake May and evaluate the entire thing 0:52:51.200 --> 0:52:53.200 in the prism of Drake May be in the future 0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:57.680 and potentially maybe the present sooner rather than later. So yes, 0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:00.760 Jacoby Pressett has a role on this team. He has 0:53:01.239 --> 0:53:04.520 an important role as both a potential bridge quarterback and 0:53:04.600 --> 0:53:09.320 as a mentor. But with these practices, more than anything, 0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:12.120 this is about Drake May because we don't know come 0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:16.000 September when we might see Drake May next. Right, this 0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:18.439 is our chance to actually evaluate Drake May and see 0:53:18.520 --> 0:53:21.800 Drake May in a large exposure. We might get into 0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:24.080 week one of the regular season and we might not 0:53:24.080 --> 0:53:25.719 see him for another two months, and we don't get 0:53:25.760 --> 0:53:28.600 to watch practice like we watch practice in training camp. 0:53:28.640 --> 0:53:31.040 Once the regular season comes around, we have that, you know, 0:53:31.080 --> 0:53:33.040 maybe ten minutes. You know, maybe Drid will be a 0:53:33.040 --> 0:53:35.799 little bit more generous with our in season practice time, 0:53:36.000 --> 0:53:38.560 but we're not gonna see team drills during practice, right 0:53:38.640 --> 0:53:42.359 so that's this is our opportunity to soak in all 0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:45.040 the Drake may as we possibly can. What have have 0:53:45.160 --> 0:53:47.680 been your impressions, you know, with that being said, what 0:53:47.719 --> 0:53:50.040 have been your impressions so far of what you've seen 0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:50.520 from Jacob? 0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:54.360 Ever said, So, I mean just steady, just kind of 0:53:54.360 --> 0:53:56.560 what I expected he makes. There's some place he's made 0:53:56.600 --> 0:53:58.680 that he had, you know, a good off platform throw 0:53:58.760 --> 0:54:02.359 the other day. But when the pressure's turned up, it's 0:54:02.440 --> 0:54:03.960 it's been a bit more of a struggle for him. 0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:05.600 And that's kind of what he is. That's kind of 0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:08.520 what he's been. Not a ton of surprises from him. 0:54:08.640 --> 0:54:10.400 I think you're more or less getting what you expected. 0:54:10.640 --> 0:54:14.680 Yeah, that's how I feel too, And part of me 0:54:14.760 --> 0:54:17.640 feels as though it's it feels a little not I 0:54:17.640 --> 0:54:21.720 think underwhelms the wrong word, but just like meh about 0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:24.560 it because there's nothing really exciting about the offense what 0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:27.600 Jacoby were said, and maybe it's more just like the 0:54:27.600 --> 0:54:29.719 allure of the unknown with Drake May, and it's the 0:54:29.760 --> 0:54:32.560 whole mystery box saying right like there could be more 0:54:32.800 --> 0:54:36.399 upside there, not could there will be more upside there 0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:40.879 with the Drake May box. But what Jacoby was said, yes, 0:54:40.960 --> 0:54:44.839 there are times, probably pretty more frequently than Drake May, 0:54:44.840 --> 0:54:47.600 that things are on time, and the offense probably runs smoother, 0:54:47.719 --> 0:54:49.759 and he's in and out of the huddle probably a 0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:52.120 little bit smoother at this stage, and you know, the 0:54:52.160 --> 0:54:54.560 ball the throws are more on time and all that 0:54:54.640 --> 0:54:58.040 kind of stuff, but it just lacks any sort of 0:54:58.840 --> 0:55:03.759 danger or explosion or like a playmaking ability. Like his 0:55:03.840 --> 0:55:06.960 best throw so far is probably on that I throw 0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:10.440 up to se him to Austin Hooper yesterday, they'll stick 0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:12.680 nod route, you know, sit down and then break it 0:55:12.760 --> 0:55:14.839 up the seam. He made a nice throw fitted between 0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:17.600 a couple of defenders. Right, he's hit, He's hit some 0:55:17.680 --> 0:55:20.320 underneath stuff that's been on time and in rhythm and 0:55:20.400 --> 0:55:21.799 all that kind of stuff Like those are the types 0:55:21.840 --> 0:55:24.160 of things that you want and you see and the 0:55:24.239 --> 0:55:27.399 coaches probably value that more than we do because they 0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:30.160 know that this is what it's supposed to look like, right, 0:55:30.200 --> 0:55:32.120 like this is the in rhythm offense, this is the 0:55:32.200 --> 0:55:35.359 scripted offense, whereas with Drake May, there's just always this 0:55:36.000 --> 0:55:42.560 appeal of he could just do something like anything that 0:55:42.600 --> 0:55:46.439 you're not expecting, Like he could throw a fifty yard 0:55:46.440 --> 0:55:48.960 bomb down the sidelines to Jalen Rager, like that could 0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:51.360 just come out of nowhere. I'm not expecting that to 0:55:51.360 --> 0:55:53.359 come out of nowhere at any time, which Kobe was said, 0:55:53.400 --> 0:55:56.520 so for lack of a better word, because it's not 0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:58.960 coming to mind right now, meh, Like it's it's kind 0:55:58.960 --> 0:56:02.120 of boring, I said, steady, But but it's kind of boring. 0:56:02.200 --> 0:56:03.879 It's boring in a good way because it's what you want. 0:56:03.880 --> 0:56:05.759 You want a guy that's just gonna get you, to 0:56:06.600 --> 0:56:08.799 Drake May. And I think another thing is we've heard 0:56:08.840 --> 0:56:13.000 a lot of players talk about what a resource Jacoby 0:56:13.040 --> 0:56:16.080 Burssett has been to help them learn Alex Van Pelts offense. 0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:18.480 So in that sense, I mean, I think you're getting 0:56:18.480 --> 0:56:20.400 what you wanted out of him, and he's doing his 0:56:20.480 --> 0:56:22.799 job right. The play was never for him to come 0:56:22.840 --> 0:56:24.560 in and win an MVP if he doesn't be great, 0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:25.759 But the play was never for him to come in 0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:28.279 win MVP. The planners him to come in and keep 0:56:28.320 --> 0:56:30.879 the seat warm and help everybody get help Drake maner, 0:56:30.920 --> 0:56:32.680 but he else get adjusted to this new offense and 0:56:32.760 --> 0:56:36.480 just simply having a new quarterback, and so far, I'd 0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:37.560 say that's what he's done. 0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:42.120 Yeah, I agree. I Again, there's something to be said 0:56:42.680 --> 0:56:44.640 for all the things that you're saying, of course, and 0:56:44.680 --> 0:56:48.320 then there's something to be said for the offense probably 0:56:49.000 --> 0:56:52.680 running more on script or on time comparatively speaking to 0:56:52.719 --> 0:56:55.359 some of the other quarterbacks. Yeah, there's more of those 0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:58.280 plays that I feel like when they hit it, I'm like, okay, 0:56:58.320 --> 0:57:02.680 Like that's how it should look on a Sunday. He 0:57:02.719 --> 0:57:06.320 made a throw to today, to Taekwon Thorton, for example, 0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:09.840 his play action five step play action drop and he 0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:13.879 comes off it at the top he kind of went 0:57:13.960 --> 0:57:15.640 up in the pocket like he stepped through the pocket 0:57:15.680 --> 0:57:17.400 because there's a little bit of pressure coming off the 0:57:17.480 --> 0:57:20.880 edge there. Yeah, steps through the pocket back, you know, 0:57:21.040 --> 0:57:24.160 gets back into the phase, throws the football. Taekwon Thorton 0:57:24.200 --> 0:57:26.280 comes out of his brake balls right there, and you're like, okay, 0:57:26.360 --> 0:57:29.040 that's a Sunday throw. Like that's a Sunday play and 0:57:29.280 --> 0:57:32.400 those types of plays are encouraging from Jacoby brissaid, there's 0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:35.640 just there's already it already feels like they're swimming upstream 0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:38.920 because of other avenues of the offense, like the receivers, 0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:41.800 the offensive line. It feels like the passing game sometimes 0:57:41.920 --> 0:57:44.800 is fighting it as it is to make yards and 0:57:44.840 --> 0:57:49.040 when the quarterback is really more just managing the situation 0:57:49.160 --> 0:57:52.720 more than anything. That that also just kind of gets 0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:54.960 what we got today, which is just a lack of 0:57:55.440 --> 0:57:59.120 big play flash, Like there's just no flash to it. 0:57:59.800 --> 0:58:02.920 There's also something, you know, to be said with Jacob Brissett, 0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:06.080 I would say, you know, as we go through this 0:58:06.160 --> 0:58:08.800 offensive line situation, which we'll get to in a second, 0:58:08.880 --> 0:58:12.200 that it hasn't been good and if it's gonna be 0:58:12.280 --> 0:58:14.240 like this, then all those people that we're calling in 0:58:14.600 --> 0:58:17.200 and you know, the conversations that we've had over the 0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:21.439 last couple of months about do they need to sit 0:58:21.520 --> 0:58:24.040 Drake may just because of the offensive line play, if 0:58:24.040 --> 0:58:25.560 this is how the offensive line is gonna look in 0:58:25.600 --> 0:58:28.040 pads and the answer that question might be yes, like 0:58:28.480 --> 0:58:30.560 we might be everyone might have been right about that. 0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:32.760 Right now, we need to wait a little bit. Let's 0:58:32.800 --> 0:58:34.320 get to the main event, though, let's get let's talk 0:58:34.320 --> 0:58:36.800 a little bit about Drake May. I think the biggest 0:58:36.800 --> 0:58:39.080 thing that I've seen with Drake May that's so encouraging 0:58:39.600 --> 0:58:44.720 or just just catches the eye. The ball absolutely jumps 0:58:44.760 --> 0:58:47.680 out of his hand. There's no question about that. He's 0:58:47.720 --> 0:58:51.680 got easy cheese, like he's got easy velocity with the football. 0:58:51.840 --> 0:58:54.840 I thought today was in on perfect display because yesterday 0:58:54.880 --> 0:58:57.280 he had the downfield throw to Rager and it might 0:58:57.320 --> 0:58:59.840 have been a tiny bit overthrown, but it's a catchable 0:58:59.840 --> 0:59:02.360 ball because he got it. There was one hand to catch. Great. 0:59:02.440 --> 0:59:04.800 The catch was better than the throw, but it was 0:59:04.840 --> 0:59:08.400 still an example of that arm talent that you see. 0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:11.440 But to me, it's even it's not even necessarily the 0:59:11.480 --> 0:59:15.120 deep ball. Today he made a throw on an incut 0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:18.560 to Jalen Polk towards the end of practice where it 0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:21.280 looked a little bit like an RPO to me, some 0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:24.520 sort of play action we're talking about that figure it was. 0:59:24.720 --> 0:59:27.280 I thought it was an RPO because he kind of 0:59:27.320 --> 0:59:29.439 delayed it, like he held the mesh point a little 0:59:29.440 --> 0:59:32.400 bit longer than a regular play action pass would look 0:59:33.040 --> 0:59:38.439 and he just he takes out the football, he keeps 0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:41.720 the ball, and it's just a sleight of hand of 0:59:41.800 --> 0:59:44.680 just being able to then transition into throw. He doesn't 0:59:45.000 --> 0:59:47.360 have to step into it. He doesn't need to actually, 0:59:47.520 --> 0:59:50.280 you know, climb the pocket or anything like that. And 0:59:50.320 --> 0:59:53.600 it's just like on a line in between a couple 0:59:53.600 --> 0:59:57.160 of guys. To Jalen Polk, those drive throws, those middle 0:59:57.160 --> 0:59:59.400 of the field drive throws, that's a breath of fresh 0:59:59.400 --> 1:00:01.840 air man. They haven't had a quarterback that's been able 1:00:01.840 --> 1:00:05.080 to do that since Brady Ticket. Actually drive the football 1:00:05.120 --> 1:00:07.640 through the middle of the field and throw the ball 1:00:07.680 --> 1:00:10.720 into some traffic, but have it really be not a 1:00:10.840 --> 1:00:13.560 danger ball, like, have it actually be a good throw 1:00:13.600 --> 1:00:16.320 but in a good decision by the quarterback. Those drive 1:00:16.360 --> 1:00:19.080 throws are super encouraging to me because that that is 1:00:19.120 --> 1:00:22.520 exactly what you're you weren't able to access with Mac 1:00:22.600 --> 1:00:26.040 Jones was ten plus yards down the middle of the 1:00:26.040 --> 1:00:29.080 field like he was never Mac never really was able 1:00:29.080 --> 1:00:32.280 to master that to me and uh and Jacoba, Jakoby 1:00:32.440 --> 1:00:34.920 Drake may has been able to do that already. He 1:00:34.960 --> 1:00:39.360 made the throw yesterday to Juju on the bootleg where 1:00:39.360 --> 1:00:42.520 he you know, comes off the bootleg. Juju's crossing from 1:00:42.960 --> 1:00:46.680 left to right and off platform, you know, in the air, 1:00:46.760 --> 1:00:48.800 you know, kind of on the move, just makes another 1:00:48.880 --> 1:00:52.560 throw on the line to Juju with just easy v 1:00:52.640 --> 1:00:55.160 lo on the ball. Those are the types of throws 1:00:55.200 --> 1:00:58.960 that I look at. I'm like, in terms of arm, talent, athleticism, ability, 1:00:59.200 --> 1:01:02.120 he's checking all the boxes of a number three overall pick. Like, 1:01:02.320 --> 1:01:06.040 we're not going to be asking ourselves does he just 1:01:06.120 --> 1:01:09.320 not have it physically to cut it into the NFL. 1:01:09.520 --> 1:01:12.640 He's got that in droves. Now it's just about him 1:01:12.920 --> 1:01:16.200 catching up mentally, like is he gonna be able to 1:01:16.200 --> 1:01:17.560 get them in and out of bad plays at the 1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:20.480 line of scrimmage? Is he going through his progressions properly? 1:01:20.840 --> 1:01:22.400 You know, those types of things are gonna be the 1:01:22.400 --> 1:01:25.280 bigger questions for this coaching staff because the guy throws 1:01:25.280 --> 1:01:27.600 a pretty ball like he throws a pretty ball and 1:01:27.600 --> 1:01:28.560 he's got some heat on it. 1:01:29.000 --> 1:01:31.440 So my big takeaway from Drake May through the first 1:01:31.480 --> 1:01:36.040 two days really this was yesterday, is uh, he's here 1:01:36.080 --> 1:01:39.160 to compete. And some people may hear that and be like, well, yeah, duh, 1:01:39.160 --> 1:01:42.320 he's a professional. But no, it's so easy for a 1:01:42.400 --> 1:01:45.800 rookie to come in and just all right, well, I 1:01:45.800 --> 1:01:47.960 don't want to screw up, screw up. I'm gonna take 1:01:48.000 --> 1:01:50.120 what's there. I'm gonna take what's safe. I don't want 1:01:50.120 --> 1:01:51.720 to mess up. I don't want anybody to, you know, 1:01:52.360 --> 1:01:56.200 think anything is bad. Whatever, blah blah blah. No I 1:01:56.440 --> 1:01:59.760 he came out slinging it. He came out he's testing 1:02:00.080 --> 1:02:02.280 tight windows, He's testing deep parts of the field, and 1:02:02.720 --> 1:02:05.320 that comes with mixed results, and you want to clean 1:02:05.360 --> 1:02:07.000 that up. But part of the reason it's good he's 1:02:07.040 --> 1:02:09.439 doing that is all right, He's gonna figure out here 1:02:09.440 --> 1:02:13.120 in camp. Okay, this works, this doesn't. If I want 1:02:13.120 --> 1:02:14.800 to do this, I have to do it this way, 1:02:14.920 --> 1:02:18.240 or this needs to be done you know, quickly or whatever. 1:02:18.400 --> 1:02:22.040 Like he came out aggressive, he came out with no fear, 1:02:22.800 --> 1:02:25.080 and that's what you want to see from a rookie quarterback. 1:02:25.640 --> 1:02:28.600 He does not in terms of the mentality of it. 1:02:29.640 --> 1:02:31.280 He does not look like a rookie. 1:02:31.440 --> 1:02:31.600 Now. 1:02:31.680 --> 1:02:33.360 Like I said, there's some within that they have to 1:02:33.360 --> 1:02:37.360 clean up. But I would rather he make those mistakes 1:02:37.400 --> 1:02:41.600 now and learn now and test things now, and then 1:02:41.600 --> 1:02:43.200 when he gets to week one he has all that 1:02:43.280 --> 1:02:46.760 information versus he's playing it very safe and then Suddenly 1:02:46.760 --> 1:02:48.560 Week one, there's two minutes to go. They need to 1:02:48.560 --> 1:02:51.160 go eighty yards for a touchdown. Well, I can't take 1:02:51.160 --> 1:02:52.320 the checkdowns. Now what do I do? 1:02:52.440 --> 1:02:52.640 Right? 1:02:52.720 --> 1:02:55.040 So when I talk, we talked off the top of 1:02:55.080 --> 1:02:58.200 the show about the approach means more to me than 1:02:58.240 --> 1:03:00.720 the results at this point of camp. That's what I'm 1:03:00.760 --> 1:03:05.320 talking about. Hill. You hope he irons out and figures 1:03:05.320 --> 1:03:10.040 out exactly where his limitations lie in terms of testing 1:03:10.080 --> 1:03:12.200 certain windows and certain certain parts of the field. 1:03:12.520 --> 1:03:16.080 He has a ton of confidence, he does, and that's 1:03:16.280 --> 1:03:18.120 I don't want that confidence to go away. Like that's 1:03:18.120 --> 1:03:18.680 the thing is. 1:03:18.640 --> 1:03:21.440 Well, you have to hone it. You have to hone it, 1:03:21.520 --> 1:03:24.760 and you know, learn from it and be realistic. But 1:03:25.640 --> 1:03:30.680 he's where I like his confidence is he's not afraid 1:03:31.400 --> 1:03:34.000 if I throw a pick, it's all over, right, Jacoby's 1:03:34.040 --> 1:03:35.640 going to be the starter. Oh yeah, right, he's not 1:03:35.720 --> 1:03:37.600 afraid to throw a pick in this setting. 1:03:38.320 --> 1:03:38.480 Now. 1:03:38.520 --> 1:03:40.920 I hope when he gets to the game he doesn't 1:03:40.960 --> 1:03:43.240 have quite that same approach and he kind of learns, 1:03:43.360 --> 1:03:45.320 all right, this is what worked, this is what didn't. 1:03:45.800 --> 1:03:49.800 But he's fine experimenting in practice because he knows, okay, 1:03:50.480 --> 1:03:51.840 this is the only way I'm going to be able 1:03:51.880 --> 1:03:52.680 to figure these things out. 1:03:52.760 --> 1:03:55.120 So maybe we're arguing semantics, and I'm not really been 1:03:55.200 --> 1:04:00.920 arguing with you. But the film nerds, the Twitter, film coaches, 1:04:00.960 --> 1:04:03.080 whatever you want to call us, what we would call 1:04:03.120 --> 1:04:08.160 what you're describing is arm arrogance. And if I'm the Patriots, 1:04:08.880 --> 1:04:12.040 and if I'm gid Mao and and I'm Elliot Wolf 1:04:12.120 --> 1:04:15.200 and all the Patriots brass, the last thing that I 1:04:15.280 --> 1:04:19.440 want to do is coach arm arrogance out of Drake May. 1:04:20.480 --> 1:04:25.560 I would so much rather him continuing to be arrogant 1:04:25.920 --> 1:04:29.680 af rip it, grip it and rip it baby, like, 1:04:29.760 --> 1:04:34.880 don't don't hold him back, because yeah, they're gonna be mistakes, right, 1:04:35.120 --> 1:04:37.040 and maybe he turns the ball over and maybe he 1:04:37.080 --> 1:04:39.960 makes a bad throw here or there. But there are 1:04:40.120 --> 1:04:43.080 quarterbacks on the flip side that have that type of 1:04:43.160 --> 1:04:45.520 arm arrogance that are just have that like I'm going 1:04:45.560 --> 1:04:48.000 to fit this ball into any type of window that 1:04:50.080 --> 1:04:54.320 for the most part it kind of works like they 1:04:54.680 --> 1:04:56.360 kind of get away with it. Well, but that's you 1:04:56.400 --> 1:04:56.600 have to. 1:04:56.640 --> 1:04:58.960 But I think the guys that really do that at 1:04:58.960 --> 1:05:01.920 an elite level know what they can and can't get away. 1:05:01.680 --> 1:05:04.400 With maybe to an extent you'd have to ask them, like, 1:05:04.440 --> 1:05:06.640 I don't know where the line is necessary, But I 1:05:06.840 --> 1:05:08.520 look at quarterbacks and I know you're going to tell 1:05:08.520 --> 1:05:12.160 me that he stinks. But like Josh Allen, Jordan Love Herbert, 1:05:12.440 --> 1:05:14.320 those types of guys that have this kind of arm 1:05:14.400 --> 1:05:17.160 talent I put like I'm not gonna put my homes in. 1:05:17.160 --> 1:05:20.960 The conversation is different stratsphere, but those three guys are 1:05:20.960 --> 1:05:22.720 the guys that come to mind when I think about 1:05:22.920 --> 1:05:26.320 Drake may just from a skill set standpoint and from 1:05:26.600 --> 1:05:30.800 a tool standpoint, and all three of those guys still 1:05:30.840 --> 1:05:34.040 have don't lose that like they don't. They have all 1:05:34.080 --> 1:05:35.800 the confidence in the world that they can hit any 1:05:35.800 --> 1:05:38.160 blade of grass, and I would just rather roll with that, 1:05:38.600 --> 1:05:41.320 Like so, okay, maybe he does have some Josh Allen 1:05:41.360 --> 1:05:44.760 turnover issues early on in his career, so be it. 1:05:44.800 --> 1:05:46.800 Like he'll learn from it, you know, and he'll get But. 1:05:46.760 --> 1:05:48.520 That's my point, learn from it because there are some 1:05:48.560 --> 1:05:50.200 guys that don't there are some guys that can. And 1:05:50.440 --> 1:05:52.680 this goes to something Jott and Mayo talked about yesterday, 1:05:52.800 --> 1:05:54.800 which I thought was great because this was always a 1:05:54.800 --> 1:05:57.080 big bill Belichick tenant, and one of the things that 1:05:57.120 --> 1:05:59.400 maybe didn't get talked about as much as is, you know, 1:06:02.160 --> 1:06:04.640 you can make a mistake. Guys are gonna make mistakes 1:06:04.640 --> 1:06:08.960 in camp. It's gonna happen. Don't make the same mistake twice. Yeah, 1:06:09.000 --> 1:06:11.200 make the mistake, learn from it, apply it. And that's 1:06:11.200 --> 1:06:14.240 basically what I'm saying, Like, just you can't put don't 1:06:14.320 --> 1:06:16.520 keep trying to test the same throw that's clearly not. 1:06:16.520 --> 1:06:19.360 There, fair enough, but you can't put trading wheels on 1:06:19.400 --> 1:06:22.680 the gunslinger, like, don't take the gun slinger out of him, 1:06:23.000 --> 1:06:25.280 because then what ends up happening is you end up 1:06:25.320 --> 1:06:28.280 getting and granted the physical tools weren't there for Mac, 1:06:28.360 --> 1:06:30.480 but like you end up getting something like Max rookie season, 1:06:30.960 --> 1:06:34.280 which for the most part we know now was kind 1:06:34.280 --> 1:06:34.920 of an aberration. 1:06:35.040 --> 1:06:38.720 But I guess what I'm saying is like, yeah, but 1:06:38.920 --> 1:06:43.080 I I don't know. We disagree on this. I don't 1:06:43.080 --> 1:06:45.200 think it's a good thing for quarterbacks to throw interceptions. 1:06:45.200 --> 1:06:47.360 You don't care, but you know it's. 1:06:47.240 --> 1:06:51.640 A it's a give and take though, because no, it's 1:06:51.920 --> 1:06:55.120 inherently it's not good for quarterbacks to throw interceptions. But 1:06:55.480 --> 1:06:59.160 at the same time, if the quarterback is also just 1:06:59.560 --> 1:07:02.520 not be aggressive and testing windows down the field, then 1:07:02.520 --> 1:07:03.960 you're not gonna be a productive offense. 1:07:03.920 --> 1:07:06.440 I guess what I'm saying is he's doing it in practice, 1:07:06.440 --> 1:07:07.800 and I like that, and I'm sure he'll do it 1:07:07.800 --> 1:07:11.760 in the game, but coming from the ACC playing a 1:07:11.800 --> 1:07:13.680 bunch of week defenses where he could pretty much do 1:07:13.720 --> 1:07:17.560 whatever he wanted, he's got to relearn there are limitations, 1:07:17.880 --> 1:07:19.720 and he can test those limitations, but he's got to 1:07:19.760 --> 1:07:22.600 learn limitations. And I like that he's doing that because 1:07:22.600 --> 1:07:26.280 it would be easy for them to put the training 1:07:26.280 --> 1:07:29.760 wheels on in practice, and he clearly feels he has 1:07:29.800 --> 1:07:32.440 the freedom to experiment and do what he needs to do. 1:07:32.920 --> 1:07:36.280 It's just none of that matters if you continue to 1:07:36.320 --> 1:07:38.080 be overly wild in the games. I guess is my 1:07:38.120 --> 1:07:38.800 point fair enough? 1:07:38.840 --> 1:07:41.240 And I also just feel like this was something that 1:07:41.320 --> 1:07:45.240 they did with Mac that I in hindsight, because all 1:07:45.240 --> 1:07:47.320 we can do now, and I know it's easy for 1:07:47.400 --> 1:07:49.280 us to sit here in hindsight and wag our fingers, 1:07:49.320 --> 1:07:51.080 but all we can do now is learn from the 1:07:51.120 --> 1:07:54.360 Mac Jones experience and what went wrong with his development, 1:07:54.760 --> 1:07:57.600 And there's a million things that it contributed. But one 1:07:57.640 --> 1:07:59.240 of the things that I feel like they can learn 1:07:59.320 --> 1:08:03.800 from with Mac jo Zones is that you can't completely 1:08:03.840 --> 1:08:06.920 coddle a guy. And I feel like a a rookie season, 1:08:07.400 --> 1:08:10.200 they had such they had him so buttoned up. 1:08:10.800 --> 1:08:14.560 That, Yeah, that's clearly not the case here that you. 1:08:14.480 --> 1:08:16.960 Can't coddle him, right, Like, I hope that when they 1:08:16.960 --> 1:08:19.799 put Drake May, whether it's week eight, week nine, week fifteen, 1:08:19.840 --> 1:08:22.280 I don't care. I hope when Drake May finally takes 1:08:22.320 --> 1:08:26.240 over that they just kind of let him loose. And 1:08:26.680 --> 1:08:29.080 if he throws three picks in a game and they 1:08:29.120 --> 1:08:32.920 lose because he's a little bit too arrogant, then that's 1:08:32.960 --> 1:08:35.800 when you coach him to rate it back in. But 1:08:35.920 --> 1:08:39.160 don't go into games. Remember with Mac his rookie year, 1:08:39.160 --> 1:08:40.880 he didn't throw a ball into the end zone for 1:08:40.960 --> 1:08:43.200 like the first movie. Yeah, Like, don't go into games 1:08:43.240 --> 1:08:45.640 like that, Like let him play through it, like let 1:08:45.760 --> 1:08:47.559 him make mistakes, let him learn on the fly. 1:08:47.680 --> 1:08:50.040 I hope they do that differently, well, I guess so 1:08:50.200 --> 1:08:53.120 to bring it all together. They're doing that in camp. Yeah, 1:08:53.160 --> 1:08:55.080 because even in camp that year, it felt like Mack 1:08:55.160 --> 1:08:58.960 was relatively controlled. This feels like they told Drake may be, Drake, 1:08:59.000 --> 1:09:01.360 may make the throws you want to right, and we'll 1:09:01.520 --> 1:09:03.640 react to them after. If they're good, great, If not, 1:09:03.760 --> 1:09:05.400 we'll tell you they're not. We'll tell you to stop 1:09:05.439 --> 1:09:08.320 making them. But or we'll tell you no, do it differently, right, 1:09:08.400 --> 1:09:10.600 throw this ball in this spot and put it on 1:09:10.600 --> 1:09:12.840 the back shoulder instead of the front shoulder, however they 1:09:12.880 --> 1:09:15.559 want to qualify it. It does feel like they're giving 1:09:15.640 --> 1:09:17.000 him the free and this is what I like. They're 1:09:17.000 --> 1:09:19.920 giving him the freedom to test things, and he's taking 1:09:19.920 --> 1:09:21.280 that freedom and making the most of it. 1:09:21.479 --> 1:09:24.639 I've also been pretty impressed with Drake Mays. I thought 1:09:24.680 --> 1:09:27.200 that we would have more of those like WTF throws 1:09:27.200 --> 1:09:31.240 than we've had, and not necessarily turnovers, but just throwing 1:09:31.400 --> 1:09:33.760 balls ten yards over guy's heads and like some of 1:09:33.800 --> 1:09:35.160 the stuff that we saw on tape with him at 1:09:35.160 --> 1:09:37.040 North Karrigine and in the spring where he would just 1:09:37.080 --> 1:09:38.880 like totally lose the ball right, like he would just 1:09:38.880 --> 1:09:40.599 lose control of the football. He had one throw over 1:09:40.640 --> 1:09:43.680 the middle today to Jaheim Bell that was off, and 1:09:43.720 --> 1:09:46.320 he had one yesterday that it felt like he got 1:09:46.360 --> 1:09:48.719 pressured in his lap and kind of threw a dirt 1:09:48.760 --> 1:09:52.120 ball over the middle to Kaishan Boody. But for the 1:09:52.120 --> 1:09:56.160 most part, he's been generally accurate, which I think is 1:09:56.240 --> 1:09:59.280 encouraging because I thought that we were going to see 1:09:59.320 --> 1:10:02.200 some like I remember, I keep going back to Josh Allen, 1:10:02.280 --> 1:10:04.560 but remember Josh Allen's rookie year when he would just 1:10:04.600 --> 1:10:06.599 throw the ball like ten yards over his dude's heads 1:10:06.600 --> 1:10:08.920 on the sideline. But yeah, it was like Landen, like 1:10:08.960 --> 1:10:11.800 the first row. And I'm not exaggerating. Zach Wilson used 1:10:11.800 --> 1:10:13.479 to do it all the time too, And you're just 1:10:13.720 --> 1:10:16.320 and you're just like, what the heck was that? Like, 1:10:16.360 --> 1:10:19.720 where is that going? I haven't really said Matt to 1:10:19.760 --> 1:10:21.040 myself too often with him. 1:10:21.080 --> 1:10:23.600 That's one where let's see when the pads come on, 1:10:23.640 --> 1:10:25.120 he's facing a live rush. 1:10:25.240 --> 1:10:27.160 You know, maybe it would be up a little bit more. 1:10:27.360 --> 1:10:31.160 Yeah, that's again, I'm more interested in this point in 1:10:31.240 --> 1:10:35.280 the approach, not so much the results. Yeah, and that's 1:10:35.280 --> 1:10:37.280 not to protect him to say he's bad. If anything, 1:10:37.280 --> 1:10:39.280 I'm probably taking something away from him. He's been good, 1:10:39.920 --> 1:10:42.960 But I just like the approach. I I just liked it. 1:10:42.960 --> 1:10:43.760 He's been fearless. 1:10:43.960 --> 1:10:46.839 Oh yeah, he sees that single high safety and he's 1:10:46.880 --> 1:10:48.200 he's hunting like he's not. 1:10:48.360 --> 1:10:49.840 That's me playing Madden. 1:10:50.479 --> 1:10:52.800 You you put that single high safety over the top 1:10:52.840 --> 1:10:54.760 of Drake May, and you better cover the receiver as 1:10:54.760 --> 1:10:56.120 well because he's going in the field. 1:10:56.320 --> 1:10:57.680 Now do that when there's a two hundred and eighty 1:10:57.680 --> 1:10:59.360 pound pass rusher in your face. Yeah, I guess, is 1:10:59.400 --> 1:11:01.160 my point. But he he has been afraid so far, 1:11:01.320 --> 1:11:02.479 so so far, so good. 1:11:02.760 --> 1:11:08.400 Last thing on the quarterbacks really quickly. This whole thing 1:11:08.479 --> 1:11:12.240 to me still is annoying. It's still a charade to me, 1:11:13.280 --> 1:11:18.519 like there's I just can't envision a world where where 1:11:18.520 --> 1:11:21.519 we're at right now with Drake May. To me, is 1:11:21.840 --> 1:11:26.200 he's on a climb up the mental mountain, right. Can 1:11:26.240 --> 1:11:29.280 he call plays in a huddle? Can he go through progressions? 1:11:29.600 --> 1:11:32.320 Can he audible? Can he get again? And can he 1:11:33.040 --> 1:11:35.800 be at a high enough mental level that he can 1:11:35.840 --> 1:11:41.000 function without it being in a disservice to him to 1:11:41.040 --> 1:11:45.120 put him out there. I can't envision a scenario where 1:11:45.560 --> 1:11:49.599 they have eleven more training camp practices that are that 1:11:49.640 --> 1:11:51.360 are open to the public. There'll be a couple more 1:11:51.400 --> 1:11:54.479 that will be just for the media. Then they'll have 1:11:54.640 --> 1:11:57.800 three preseason games we have about six weeks to go 1:11:58.400 --> 1:12:01.360 in this process, and I just can't imagine that in 1:12:01.439 --> 1:12:03.960 six weeks from now he's not going to be at 1:12:04.000 --> 1:12:06.240 a baseline level to be able to call a play 1:12:06.280 --> 1:12:10.880 in a huddle or go through an NFL progression. I 1:12:10.920 --> 1:12:15.120 just don't understand what we're doing here with talking about 1:12:15.160 --> 1:12:18.519 it any differently than the door being wide the heck 1:12:18.600 --> 1:12:21.360 open for him to take this job week one because 1:12:22.000 --> 1:12:23.800 we can all sit there and watch it through two 1:12:23.840 --> 1:12:25.759 days and through the spring and all that and say 1:12:26.080 --> 1:12:28.040 it's not gonna be physical, like, it's not gonna be 1:12:28.160 --> 1:12:30.760 arm talent, it's not gonna be any of those types 1:12:30.800 --> 1:12:34.200 of things. This is clearly about whether or not Alex 1:12:34.280 --> 1:12:36.719 Van Pelt feels like he has a mastery of the offense, 1:12:36.760 --> 1:12:38.280 it's at a good enough level to play in an 1:12:38.400 --> 1:12:41.320 NFL game, or it's about all the other stuff we've 1:12:41.320 --> 1:12:44.760 been talking about, the offensive line, the receivers, whatever. But 1:12:45.200 --> 1:12:49.120 for Drake may just in a vacuum. I don't see 1:12:49.120 --> 1:12:52.479 any reason why he can't be the Week one starter, 1:12:52.880 --> 1:12:56.000 because I feel like mentally he'll get there in the 1:12:56.040 --> 1:12:58.280 next six weeks. Like they have plenty. They have so 1:12:58.360 --> 1:13:01.400 much time between now and the regular season to get 1:13:01.479 --> 1:13:05.200 him mentally ready. I just I find it so hard 1:13:05.240 --> 1:13:08.599 to believe that he won't be And so therefore, if 1:13:08.600 --> 1:13:11.080 we get to the point where Cincinnati's around the corner, 1:13:11.840 --> 1:13:16.080 we're really talking about it being other stuff, like, you know, 1:13:16.560 --> 1:13:17.520 other things. 1:13:17.240 --> 1:13:19.559 Because it's not going to be his your Your whole 1:13:19.600 --> 1:13:22.519 point is outside of the reasons he wouldn't start, I 1:13:22.560 --> 1:13:23.960 can't see why he wouldn't start. 1:13:24.680 --> 1:13:28.519 Basically, I can't. I can't see why he wouldn't start 1:13:28.560 --> 1:13:29.519 because of Drake May. 1:13:30.080 --> 1:13:32.760 If you want to make he'll be ready, whether or 1:13:32.800 --> 1:13:35.400 not the situation is ready is another question. 1:13:35.240 --> 1:13:37.840 That And because that's the only point that you could 1:13:37.960 --> 1:13:41.439 make that I could honestly hear and be like, Okay, 1:13:41.600 --> 1:13:44.479 I accept that as a point. If you're telling me 1:13:44.880 --> 1:13:47.719 that he's not ready to play an NFL game because 1:13:47.720 --> 1:13:49.400 we don't feel like he can call a play in 1:13:49.439 --> 1:13:51.280 a huddle, well then I would say to you, well, 1:13:51.280 --> 1:13:52.800 what the heck have you been teaching him for the 1:13:52.880 --> 1:13:53.639 last three months. 1:13:53.680 --> 1:13:55.880 Well, let's see again, let's see what he looks like 1:13:55.920 --> 1:13:57.680 when he has pass rushers in his face. And it's 1:13:57.720 --> 1:13:59.439 a little early to say that. I don't you're not 1:13:59.479 --> 1:14:01.600 necessarily wrong. I just think it's a little early to 1:14:01.640 --> 1:14:04.080 be that pounding the table for it. 1:14:04.600 --> 1:14:07.000 But in you, what do you think is going to change? 1:14:07.000 --> 1:14:08.000 I guess so drastically. 1:14:08.040 --> 1:14:10.400 I just want to see how he handles pressure before 1:14:10.439 --> 1:14:14.920 I'm willing to say he's like I I he's on track. 1:14:15.080 --> 1:14:17.800 He's on track. Yeah, I just like you said off 1:14:17.880 --> 1:14:22.120 the top of the show, it's two practices. They haven'ty 1:14:22.160 --> 1:14:25.120 put pads on yet. We haven't seen real football. Let's 1:14:25.520 --> 1:14:28.200 see that before we go exclaiming, because that was that 1:14:28.320 --> 1:14:30.960 was a bit of an exclamation, right, I said before 1:14:31.000 --> 1:14:32.960 My take wasn't a take. It was a theory. That 1:14:33.080 --> 1:14:35.600 wasn't a take. That was a That was a proclamation 1:14:35.960 --> 1:14:36.759 from Evan Lazar. 1:14:36.920 --> 1:14:40.200 Yes, my proclamation is that Drake may should be this 1:14:40.240 --> 1:14:41.920 team's Week one starter. I'll say it now. 1:14:42.160 --> 1:14:44.280 Can I watch him in a fully padded practice. 1:14:44.320 --> 1:14:46.920 You can watch him in practice, But just to be 1:14:47.880 --> 1:14:50.040 to be fair, I would have told you on draft 1:14:50.120 --> 1:14:51.240 night that he should be the week one So. 1:14:51.320 --> 1:14:52.879 I remember we were out there in the spring. You're 1:14:52.920 --> 1:14:54.439 he threw a pick and he said, nope, he's still 1:14:54.439 --> 1:14:58.760 a Week one starter. He's the best quarterback on the team. 1:14:58.880 --> 1:15:00.439 So what are we doing, Like, are we not going 1:15:00.479 --> 1:15:02.000 to play the best players? Or we are we going 1:15:02.040 --> 1:15:04.200 to be the best player? That's where the other even 1:15:04.200 --> 1:15:06.080 if that does end up being the case with him, 1:15:06.439 --> 1:15:08.360 there are the other factors because we can get to 1:15:08.400 --> 1:15:11.439 the offensive line have an I don't feel great neither 1:15:11.680 --> 1:15:14.240 my third overall pick investment behind what we saw today. 1:15:14.560 --> 1:15:19.559 He's the best quarterback on the team. I would have 1:15:19.600 --> 1:15:21.479 told you that on April twenty six. 1:15:21.560 --> 1:15:22.719 So then let's not get killed. 1:15:23.439 --> 1:15:26.759 Okay, So along those lines, let's talk about the offensive line. 1:15:28.840 --> 1:15:34.840 Offensive line play in general, line play either side, sitting 1:15:34.840 --> 1:15:38.320 here and evaluating it in non padded practices. I'll make 1:15:38.320 --> 1:15:40.160 the comparison again. I think I made it in the spring. 1:15:40.560 --> 1:15:42.800 It's a lot. What they're doing at this point is 1:15:42.840 --> 1:15:46.720 like paying playing defense in basketball. They're just trying to 1:15:46.800 --> 1:15:50.040 slide their feet and maybe there's like a little bit 1:15:50.080 --> 1:15:52.920 of hand checking, but we're really not hand checking, and 1:15:52.960 --> 1:15:57.639 we're just trying to keep ourselves in between the pass 1:15:57.720 --> 1:16:00.960 rusher and the quarterback. That scenario that I just spelled 1:16:00.960 --> 1:16:02.960 out for you ten times out of ten is going 1:16:03.040 --> 1:16:06.120 to favor the pass rusher. It just is. Yeah, And 1:16:06.200 --> 1:16:10.799 when you also add in the pass rusher is Matthew Judon, 1:16:12.160 --> 1:16:14.360 Josh Ucha, who's a guy that has double digit sack 1:16:14.439 --> 1:16:18.040 season in his NFL career, Christian Barmore yesterday, Like, these 1:16:18.120 --> 1:16:21.160 guys are are good pass rushers on top of that. 1:16:21.680 --> 1:16:25.479 So I don't want to evaluate the line necessarily because 1:16:25.479 --> 1:16:27.599 I don't want to get two in the weeds of 1:16:28.760 --> 1:16:31.240 shorts and a T shirt and offensive line and blocking. 1:16:31.760 --> 1:16:34.360 But that being said, what I'm seeing out there with 1:16:34.439 --> 1:16:39.720 the offensive line right now, and why I'm still not 1:16:39.800 --> 1:16:43.360 hitting the panic button just yet, is because a lot 1:16:43.360 --> 1:16:47.360 of it to me seems assignment and like execution based 1:16:47.840 --> 1:16:51.120 in terms of, you know, there's a pressure today where 1:16:51.640 --> 1:16:54.080 they tried the bootleg and Matthew Judon just didn't bite 1:16:54.120 --> 1:16:58.040 on the bootleg. Now, Matthew John's a really good player. 1:16:58.479 --> 1:17:01.040 Maybe he sees it from a mile and he doesn't 1:17:01.040 --> 1:17:04.559 bite on the bootleg against anybody. But there's really no 1:17:04.640 --> 1:17:06.160 threat of the run game right now because they're not 1:17:06.200 --> 1:17:08.360 in pad, so they're not running the football, they haven't 1:17:08.360 --> 1:17:10.960 set it up, they haven't they're not sequencing plays together 1:17:11.680 --> 1:17:14.240 right So in a lot of ways, it just feels 1:17:14.240 --> 1:17:17.360 like it's predictable and Matthew Judon stays home and he's 1:17:17.400 --> 1:17:21.280 right in the quarterback's face, and that's that. And on 1:17:21.320 --> 1:17:22.760 the one hand, you might look at that and you're like, 1:17:22.800 --> 1:17:25.679 oh god, you know, here we go. Right, the offensive 1:17:25.680 --> 1:17:27.720 line's a mess. And there's another one. I think it 1:17:27.760 --> 1:17:30.559 was Dietrich Whise that came through unblocked. Again. They were 1:17:30.600 --> 1:17:32.760 trying to move the pocket a little bit, and they 1:17:32.800 --> 1:17:35.760 just didn't get it fitted up properly, like they weren't 1:17:35.800 --> 1:17:39.000 hat on the hat properly with it, and oh god, 1:17:39.040 --> 1:17:41.479 here we go. Get right. So I'm willing to be 1:17:42.000 --> 1:17:45.679 a little bit patient with it, but I can't deny 1:17:46.000 --> 1:17:48.599 the priors, which were that this was what everybody thought 1:17:48.640 --> 1:17:51.120 was gonna be the issue. And two days into camp 1:17:51.400 --> 1:17:54.599 today especially felt like a jail break on every other 1:17:54.720 --> 1:17:55.120 drop back. 1:17:55.760 --> 1:17:57.960 And I'm with you, I don't want to necessarily evaluate 1:17:58.120 --> 1:18:02.960 line play without pets. I think that's excited. But like 1:18:03.040 --> 1:18:05.559 I've said a few times during the show, let's not 1:18:05.600 --> 1:18:10.320 look at the results, Let's look at the approach. Yesterday 1:18:10.439 --> 1:18:15.360 it was Calvin Anderson Caden Wallace right tackle. Today it 1:18:15.600 --> 1:18:19.040 was Cade Wallas in Venerian Low. Well, you've seen Calvin 1:18:19.080 --> 1:18:22.160 Anderson play both sides chooks A corfour still on the 1:18:22.240 --> 1:18:24.120 left side. I will evan if you'll allow me for 1:18:24.160 --> 1:18:26.720 a second, because I'm curious if you saw this evaluate 1:18:26.840 --> 1:18:30.720 one performance based thing. A core four still looks a 1:18:30.760 --> 1:18:33.559 little uncomfortable getting back into a set at left tackle. 1:18:33.760 --> 1:18:36.519 I'm sure he doesn't entirely look like he is, Like 1:18:36.920 --> 1:18:40.160 once he gets back, he looks, it looks normal, but 1:18:40.800 --> 1:18:44.000 there's like a period there where his weight doesn't look bad, 1:18:44.439 --> 1:18:45.200 if that makes sense. 1:18:45.200 --> 1:18:45.960 He's got a little hitch. 1:18:46.080 --> 1:18:48.920 Not even that. It's just I don't defeat tied. I 1:18:48.960 --> 1:18:50.519 don't know the defeet are tied to the upper body 1:18:50.600 --> 1:18:52.760 right leaning now. 1:18:53.200 --> 1:18:56.920 To be fair, he he's kind of an unorthodox passbocker 1:18:56.960 --> 1:18:59.240 as it is, and he's one of those guys on film, 1:18:59.280 --> 1:19:02.599 even on the right side that it doesn't always look pretty. 1:19:02.680 --> 1:19:04.160 But he's somehow. 1:19:03.960 --> 1:19:06.439 And he's still learning it. Like, yeah, you can look 1:19:06.960 --> 1:19:09.080 look off balance the first day at camp all you want, 1:19:09.080 --> 1:19:10.680 as long as you get it figured out by week one. 1:19:10.760 --> 1:19:13.759 So but to get back to the point of the approach. 1:19:13.920 --> 1:19:17.880 So we've seen three different right tackles Mike on Win 1:19:17.920 --> 1:19:21.800 who still isn't kicked outside. We've seen Calvin Anderson getting 1:19:21.800 --> 1:19:24.639 ready to play bull Spots Mike go on Win who 1:19:24.680 --> 1:19:26.599 told us yesterday he was asked about playing right guard 1:19:26.600 --> 1:19:28.360 and he said, you know, I'm happy to do whatever. 1:19:28.439 --> 1:19:32.519 But we're going to be doing different groupings throughout camp. 1:19:32.920 --> 1:19:34.800 Chukes the coorp for says today there's gonna be new 1:19:34.840 --> 1:19:39.000 offensive lines every day. That's where I'm worried. Yeah, because 1:19:39.520 --> 1:19:43.479 we talk a lot about Evan that seeing it through 1:19:43.479 --> 1:19:45.840 the same eyes, that's the Dante scarnekism, right. One of 1:19:45.880 --> 1:19:48.080 those five guys that see it through the same eyes 1:19:48.400 --> 1:19:50.960 are on the same page and know where everybody is 1:19:51.000 --> 1:19:54.080 and it helps them and especially in zone blocking, that's massive. 1:19:54.560 --> 1:19:57.400 See it through the same eyes, How are you gonna 1:19:57.400 --> 1:20:00.160 build that chemistry? And I don't think they. I mean, 1:20:00.320 --> 1:20:02.320 you know, all twenty days of camp will be twenty 1:20:02.320 --> 1:20:04.600 different groups. But I think the plan is probably for 1:20:04.640 --> 1:20:07.200 the first week or two, try a bunch of different 1:20:07.200 --> 1:20:11.679 groups and see what sticks. Yeah, and that's your hope. 1:20:11.840 --> 1:20:14.800 In that early time you find one maybe that narrow 1:20:14.800 --> 1:20:16.559 it down to two or three and then they rotate. 1:20:16.640 --> 1:20:19.920 But it's gonna make it real. And the one thing 1:20:19.960 --> 1:20:21.960 they do seem to have figured out and we'll see 1:20:21.960 --> 1:20:23.680 maybe tomorrow, Mike. When one is at right tackle, I 1:20:23.720 --> 1:20:26.759 don't know. They seem to be sticking with four guys 1:20:27.080 --> 1:20:29.280 and okor four remains a question in terms of can 1:20:29.280 --> 1:20:31.400 he actually play on the left side, But he'll be there. 1:20:31.600 --> 1:20:33.479 I feel as though we were at the point with 1:20:33.479 --> 1:20:36.760 the Corps four for I'm almost done saying who's at 1:20:36.840 --> 1:20:38.519 left tackle, because it's a core four. 1:20:38.560 --> 1:20:40.320 He's gonna start the season there. Whether or not it 1:20:40.360 --> 1:20:42.000 works out and they can stick with him will be 1:20:42.280 --> 1:20:44.519 a question, But he's the left tackle. He's the left 1:20:44.560 --> 1:20:48.080 tackle to start season. But that how are you gonna 1:20:48.080 --> 1:20:50.559 build the chemistry? How are you gonna get five guys 1:20:50.600 --> 1:20:52.840 to see through the same eyes when you're not consistently 1:20:52.880 --> 1:20:56.320 having the same five guys out there. So that's what 1:20:56.439 --> 1:20:59.040 really concerns me about the offensive line. I said a 1:20:59.080 --> 1:21:02.080 bunch they are going to have to find a combination, 1:21:02.200 --> 1:21:05.400 and obviously finding a combination means it's not gonna be 1:21:05.400 --> 1:21:07.519 the same five guys out there every time. This is 1:21:07.520 --> 1:21:09.880 the spot they've put themselves in. So I don't want 1:21:09.880 --> 1:21:11.880 to talk out both sides of my mouth and say 1:21:12.080 --> 1:21:15.080 too many line combinations, but at the same time say, well, 1:21:15.120 --> 1:21:18.160 you gotta figure out which combination works. But there does 1:21:18.320 --> 1:21:20.840 need to be a happy medium there, and really, once 1:21:20.880 --> 1:21:24.240 the pads come on, they need to maybe iron it 1:21:24.280 --> 1:21:28.400 out to two or three combinations and say, all right, 1:21:28.439 --> 1:21:30.439 this is our favorite. We're gonna ride this as long 1:21:30.479 --> 1:21:32.040 as we can until it doesn't work, then we'll go 1:21:32.040 --> 1:21:34.519 to the next one. But I don't know how long 1:21:34.600 --> 1:21:38.639 you can do a different combination every day before you're 1:21:38.680 --> 1:21:39.639 just spinning your tires. 1:21:39.720 --> 1:21:42.000 Well, I do feel like they on need change from 1:21:42.000 --> 1:21:43.800 a day to day. That's gonna be major as who's 1:21:43.800 --> 1:21:44.920 playing right tackle. 1:21:44.760 --> 1:21:47.160 So I it looks that way through two days. 1:21:47.240 --> 1:21:47.479 Yeah. 1:21:47.560 --> 1:21:50.519 The only reason I wonder about that is Mike and Win, who, 1:21:50.520 --> 1:21:55.439 when asked about specifically playing right guard, said we're gonna 1:21:55.479 --> 1:21:57.639 have different combinations every day. And I just wonder if 1:21:57.640 --> 1:21:59.519 we haven't seen the Mic and Win who write tackle 1:21:59.560 --> 1:22:00.479 combination And yet. 1:22:00.479 --> 1:22:05.120 So my whole thing just scratching it because it's it 1:22:05.240 --> 1:22:08.799 drives me nuts. You hate this. I hate the fact 1:22:09.040 --> 1:22:12.519 that I feel lied to by the organization. This is 1:22:12.520 --> 1:22:15.400 about Walls, this is about Mike on winno. Oh. I 1:22:16.360 --> 1:22:22.479 feel lied to because when they drafted, you know, it 1:22:22.520 --> 1:22:23.960 was right around the draft. It might have been his 1:22:24.000 --> 1:22:26.280 pre draft press conference that they do every year with 1:22:26.320 --> 1:22:30.960 Elliott Wolf. He said somewhere. It might have been the 1:22:31.040 --> 1:22:33.160 Adam Schefter podcast. I'm sorry, I'm rambling. 1:22:33.280 --> 1:22:34.960 Are you talking about when he said when it was 1:22:35.000 --> 1:22:35.840 going to be the right tackle. 1:22:36.720 --> 1:22:40.120 He said somewhere that they signed the best right tackle 1:22:40.160 --> 1:22:41.360 available in free agency. 1:22:41.520 --> 1:22:44.479 I think that no, because the combine was before free agency. 1:22:44.560 --> 1:22:47.839 That was at Yeah, he was talking about on Winter's contract. 1:22:47.840 --> 1:22:49.000 That might have been a pre draft thing. 1:22:49.120 --> 1:22:51.519 He said that they had signed the best right tackle 1:22:51.560 --> 1:22:53.880 on the market, that they believe that they signed the 1:22:53.880 --> 1:22:54.920 best right tackle on the market. 1:22:54.960 --> 1:22:56.599 He wasn't wrong. If they're planning the right tackle. 1:22:56.760 --> 1:23:00.640 He Then they then get to the spring Mike on Wen, 1:23:00.680 --> 1:23:03.720 who stood at the podium, I wrote the story, so 1:23:03.760 --> 1:23:08.120 I remember the headline. Mike on Wen, who preparing to 1:23:08.160 --> 1:23:09.719 start the season at right. 1:23:09.560 --> 1:23:11.800 Tackle, said that was the plan, and there was a 1:23:11.840 --> 1:23:13.960 reply I think rap sheet or somebody reported that the 1:23:14.000 --> 1:23:16.200 plan was for him to play right tackle like he 1:23:16.320 --> 1:23:17.400 signed to play right tackle. 1:23:17.600 --> 1:23:21.120 We get to the first freaking day of training camp, 1:23:21.520 --> 1:23:25.799 Day one of training camp, and what we've all been saying, 1:23:26.040 --> 1:23:27.880 and I'm not doing this to Pat myself on the back. 1:23:27.880 --> 1:23:29.920 I'm just telling you that it was the obvious thing. 1:23:30.360 --> 1:23:33.439 If we knew it, it was obvious. We had all 1:23:33.479 --> 1:23:38.400 been saying. This doesn't feel great. I don't feel great 1:23:38.400 --> 1:23:42.280 about this. Mike on Wen, who is more of a 1:23:42.320 --> 1:23:44.479 guard than he is a tackle. He's built like a guard, 1:23:44.520 --> 1:23:48.160 he's not a tackle. The first freaking day of training camp, 1:23:48.200 --> 1:23:50.080 he's back at guard, and he's been at guard two 1:23:50.120 --> 1:23:52.040 days in a row now, and he ended the spring 1:23:52.080 --> 1:23:54.960 at guard. So you didn't sign the best right tackle 1:23:55.000 --> 1:23:58.240 in free agency. You signed the best guard in free agency, 1:23:58.520 --> 1:24:00.679 and I don't want It's not about the money, because 1:24:01.040 --> 1:24:02.960 he's still compensated. 1:24:03.439 --> 1:24:07.080 Okay, he's the second highest paid guard or the fourth 1:24:07.160 --> 1:24:09.040 highest paid right tackle in football. 1:24:09.120 --> 1:24:10.639 It's not bad. The money's not bad. 1:24:10.720 --> 1:24:13.240 He's top five at his position, whatever his position is, and. 1:24:13.200 --> 1:24:15.519 He's damn good. So it's not bad money and it 1:24:15.560 --> 1:24:17.880 will keep on. The next guy will top him. The 1:24:17.920 --> 1:24:21.040 next guy will top that. The belly in Denver has 1:24:21.040 --> 1:24:23.799 already gotten more money than Mike one who did. Okay, 1:24:23.880 --> 1:24:26.679 So it's not about the contract. I don't care about 1:24:26.680 --> 1:24:30.400 the contract. What I care about is getting an offensive 1:24:30.400 --> 1:24:33.840 line that's functional and if they had approached it with 1:24:33.960 --> 1:24:37.599 the through the prism of we need to replace both tackles, 1:24:37.640 --> 1:24:40.080 because they went into into the draft thinking they needed 1:24:40.160 --> 1:24:42.200 just a left tackle because Mike on Winning was going 1:24:42.280 --> 1:24:45.559 to be their right tackle, and it never felt right 1:24:45.600 --> 1:24:47.559 to me. It never passed the sniff test that he 1:24:47.640 --> 1:24:49.599 was going to be a full time right tackle. Then 1:24:49.640 --> 1:24:51.880 he also came into the spring and into the summer 1:24:52.720 --> 1:24:55.160 still looks the same, didn't slim down at all, didn't 1:24:55.160 --> 1:24:57.799 get ready to play tackle at all. He's gonna play guard. 1:24:57.920 --> 1:25:00.080 They're gonna put him at guard, and they're gonna I 1:25:00.160 --> 1:25:03.200 have a giant gaping hole at right tackle and a 1:25:03.280 --> 1:25:06.599 huge question mark on cheeks the core where I left tackle. Now. 1:25:06.720 --> 1:25:08.840 The one thing that is I'm holding out hope for 1:25:09.320 --> 1:25:11.639 is that by the end of the summer, maybe Caden 1:25:11.680 --> 1:25:14.880 Wallace jumps Calvin Anderson and Vederian Low and they have 1:25:15.000 --> 1:25:17.360 something in Caiden Wallace to be the starting right tackle. 1:25:17.400 --> 1:25:19.439 Like maybe they hit on that pick right and now 1:25:19.439 --> 1:25:20.559 he's just starting right tackle. 1:25:20.560 --> 1:25:23.360 That's realistic. I like well, and I know, I you know, 1:25:23.479 --> 1:25:25.439 kind of complained about the plan to play Wallace at 1:25:25.479 --> 1:25:27.360 left tackle, but I like him as the right tackle. 1:25:27.680 --> 1:25:29.920 There's a solid pick if the plant's playing right tackle. 1:25:29.920 --> 1:25:32.680 By the way I found the tweet, this was Ian Rappaport. 1:25:33.800 --> 1:25:35.519 A couple of days after the on winn new contract 1:25:35.560 --> 1:25:39.320 became official. I actually quoted the team tweet of own 1:25:39.320 --> 1:25:41.240 wind who signing the contract. He said, note on Michael 1:25:41.240 --> 1:25:43.559 and Winnu, who signed a three year, fifty seven million 1:25:43.600 --> 1:25:46.280 dollar deal during free agency. He's expected to be the 1:25:46.320 --> 1:25:50.559 Patriots starting right tackle moving forward. Sources say the planners 1:25:50.560 --> 1:25:53.720 for the extremely versatile player to finally settle in on 1:25:53.760 --> 1:25:56.439 the right side. He is settling in on the right side. 1:25:56.439 --> 1:25:58.160 Oh, he's settling in on the right side, all right, 1:25:58.360 --> 1:26:01.519 don't just I don't care he on top of this. 1:26:01.680 --> 1:26:03.240 I don't care where he plays. 1:26:03.400 --> 1:26:05.800 And I don't see what the think do you say? 1:26:05.880 --> 1:26:09.000 Okay drives me nuts. Just be honest. He's a guard. 1:26:09.120 --> 1:26:12.680 Be honest about it. Do you think they lied here 1:26:12.720 --> 1:26:14.160 or do you think they truly believed he was going 1:26:14.200 --> 1:26:15.840 to play tackle until they got out there in the 1:26:15.880 --> 1:26:17.519 spring and saw what their guard situation was. 1:26:17.640 --> 1:26:19.960 I'm even more worried if the fact that, if the 1:26:20.000 --> 1:26:21.519 fact is is that they thought he was going to 1:26:21.600 --> 1:26:23.479 hold up at tackle. That makes me even more worried. 1:26:23.520 --> 1:26:27.000 But did they move Did they move him because you 1:26:27.000 --> 1:26:27.479 know him? 1:26:27.720 --> 1:26:28.240 Yes, you know? 1:26:28.439 --> 1:26:30.840 Did they move him because they don't like what they 1:26:30.840 --> 1:26:31.240 have a guard? 1:26:31.320 --> 1:26:34.360 That's crazy. You don't move the better player. The better 1:26:34.360 --> 1:26:35.760 player plays where he should play. 1:26:35.960 --> 1:26:37.240 They've moved the better player before. 1:26:37.320 --> 1:26:40.639 Okay, but you shouldn't do that. Okay, I don't disagree. 1:26:40.680 --> 1:26:43.840 You don't see the Dallas Cowboys going into training camp 1:26:43.880 --> 1:26:45.599 and saying we don't have a right tackle, so let's 1:26:45.640 --> 1:26:48.200 move Zach Martin too. Right tackles. Zach Martin's a left guard. 1:26:48.320 --> 1:26:50.080 He's gonna be a left Guard's gonna go to Hall Famous. 1:26:50.120 --> 1:26:52.880 But they've moved the better player. 1:26:52.880 --> 1:26:56.400 Okay, Well that's also dumb, Like he just don't tell 1:26:56.439 --> 1:26:58.680 me he's a tackle. If you and then get into 1:26:58.720 --> 1:27:00.559 training camp on day one and have him playing guard, 1:27:01.240 --> 1:27:03.839 it's it's silly, it's nonsense. 1:27:03.880 --> 1:27:06.560 Well look it did I think. I think this is 1:27:06.600 --> 1:27:10.920 the plan, but I don't know. I there's there's multiple conversations, 1:27:11.000 --> 1:27:13.280 and now the plan needs to be he's the right guard, 1:27:13.560 --> 1:27:14.479 so that's where he is. 1:27:14.640 --> 1:27:15.120 I'm with you. 1:27:15.439 --> 1:27:17.519 And then that makes it a lot easier because instead 1:27:17.520 --> 1:27:21.200 of doing different configurations Essentially all we have is the 1:27:21.280 --> 1:27:23.320 right tackle battle. If you know Chukes of Korp four 1:27:23.400 --> 1:27:25.320 is going to start the season, that left growing pains 1:27:25.360 --> 1:27:28.440 and all of that. Well, that's not necessarily different combinations, 1:27:28.479 --> 1:27:33.000 and it's just Kayden Wallace, Calvin Anderson, Darian Lowe. I 1:27:33.040 --> 1:27:35.120 wouldn't be surprised if they throw Tyrone Wheatley in there 1:27:35.120 --> 1:27:37.120 at some point, like it's just a bat. It's just 1:27:37.200 --> 1:27:39.720 a position battle or right tackle, and I can live 1:27:39.800 --> 1:27:43.160 with that. It's not ideal, but you're seriously banking on 1:27:43.240 --> 1:27:44.519 Chuokes of cor four working out. 1:27:44.640 --> 1:27:46.960 But I live with that that. You have to live 1:27:47.000 --> 1:27:50.560 with that because that the chus. Yes, I understand that 1:27:50.720 --> 1:27:51.719 that that that's happened. 1:27:52.720 --> 1:27:54.680 I'm just gonna go watch Will Campbell squat more after 1:27:54.840 --> 1:27:59.320 after we just but it's me, I'm tell and we 1:27:59.439 --> 1:28:01.120 have to do a show again. We don't know, we 1:28:01.200 --> 1:28:03.360 don't know by the time. Maybe these are the only 1:28:03.479 --> 1:28:07.040 couple combinations we're seeing. I'm still not rolling out. There's 1:28:07.080 --> 1:28:12.880 a conversation combination waiting Friday, Monday whenever where Mike when 1:28:12.880 --> 1:28:15.479 winds at right tackle and it's they used a fourth 1:28:15.560 --> 1:28:17.400 round pick on a guard. These one hundred third overall 1:28:17.439 --> 1:28:19.920 pick on a guard that's a player you would expect 1:28:19.960 --> 1:28:20.280 to start. 1:28:20.520 --> 1:28:23.479 That would concern me. I'd be even more worried if 1:28:23.520 --> 1:28:26.320 all of a sudden, now they're gonna they'd put Mike 1:28:26.400 --> 1:28:30.519 on Wnu at right guard in a non padded practice 1:28:32.000 --> 1:28:34.280 just to kick them back outside to right tackle like that. 1:28:34.560 --> 1:28:35.679 That just doesn't make anything. 1:28:35.680 --> 1:28:38.080 But I'm saying not all of a sudden, it's they 1:28:38.560 --> 1:28:41.880 essentially haven't scripted day one, this is a combination, Day two, 1:28:41.960 --> 1:28:43.960 this is the combination. Day three, this is the combination date. 1:28:44.000 --> 1:28:46.080 Well, that goes back to your point, that is that's 1:28:46.800 --> 1:28:49.160 that's asking for trouble. Yeah, you gotta stick with one. 1:28:49.240 --> 1:28:53.559 Well, what's so what they have five practices before pads Wednesday, Thursday, 1:28:53.640 --> 1:28:57.160 Friday at four. So maybe the plan is we're gonna 1:28:57.160 --> 1:28:59.720 try four different combinations and then whichever one we think 1:29:00.120 --> 1:29:02.000 that's the best shot. That's who were putting out their 1:29:02.040 --> 1:29:02.840 Tuesday for bads. 1:29:03.000 --> 1:29:06.000 So my other concern about all of this is that 1:29:06.720 --> 1:29:10.400 to your point, because they don't have cold strange right now, 1:29:10.760 --> 1:29:11.799 they don't love their guards. 1:29:11.920 --> 1:29:15.519 I don't think not having cold strangers exacerbating this issue. 1:29:15.560 --> 1:29:17.880 By the way, I think it might be because if 1:29:17.880 --> 1:29:23.439 they feel like cold Strange is solid, is good, then 1:29:23.840 --> 1:29:26.759 when he comes back, he goes back to left guard, 1:29:27.080 --> 1:29:29.839 city goes back to right guard on when it goes. 1:29:30.400 --> 1:29:34.360 Too many pieces at that point, play everybody where they're 1:29:34.360 --> 1:29:37.200 gonna play, and just find Cold Strangers back up. That. 1:29:37.520 --> 1:29:39.519 This is my point though, is like I would not 1:29:39.640 --> 1:29:42.400 be surprised if we get into let's say Cold Strange 1:29:42.439 --> 1:29:45.160 comes back at the gate and we gave well, now 1:29:45.240 --> 1:29:47.600 cold Strange is back, so we're gonna we're gonna go 1:29:47.680 --> 1:29:49.639 to this line, and now all of a sudden, halfway 1:29:49.680 --> 1:29:51.120 through the year, you're changing the line. 1:29:51.240 --> 1:29:52.800 So what I'm saying is, if they know that's the 1:29:52.880 --> 1:29:56.600 plan right now, they should be working with Mike go 1:29:56.640 --> 1:29:59.599 and Winuitt tackle and just okay, who's gonna hold down 1:29:59.720 --> 1:30:03.360 left guard until col Strange comes to Backus's Nick Leverett, 1:30:03.400 --> 1:30:04.439 Michael Jordan, whoever. 1:30:04.360 --> 1:30:07.439 You're it's a non padded practice. Just put Nick Leverett 1:30:07.439 --> 1:30:09.400 in there for just the time being as a placeholder, 1:30:09.720 --> 1:30:12.000 right like that. If that's what the plan was, If 1:30:12.040 --> 1:30:13.720 that is the plan, that's what they should be doing. 1:30:14.000 --> 1:30:16.200 But instead what they're doing is they're putting Mike on 1:30:16.960 --> 1:30:17.240 right now. 1:30:17.280 --> 1:30:18.560 I don't think they know what the plan is. I 1:30:18.600 --> 1:30:20.680 think the plan for this week is to figure out 1:30:20.720 --> 1:30:22.599 what the plane is when the pads come on. Jeez, 1:30:22.680 --> 1:30:25.720 all right, we knew it's going to be bad. But 1:30:25.880 --> 1:30:29.080 what I was hoping was is coming into camp there 1:30:29.120 --> 1:30:31.840 wouldn't be all these musical chairs. I was hoping that 1:30:31.880 --> 1:30:34.200 we were going to get into camp. And besides, maybe 1:30:34.320 --> 1:30:36.799 right tackle because of Kid and Wallace, Like Kiden Wallace 1:30:36.880 --> 1:30:39.120 is a rookie and he's going to come along slower 1:30:39.200 --> 1:30:41.400 than maybe they had a placeholder there for him, like 1:30:41.479 --> 1:30:44.400 Calvin Anderson yesterday when they came out and Calvin Anderson 1:30:44.479 --> 1:30:46.360 was the right tackle. Yeah, I said, placeholder. 1:30:46.439 --> 1:30:48.600 Cool, All right, fine, you know it's the same thing 1:30:48.640 --> 1:30:50.880 with Jacobe bres said, right like, if we have a placeholder, 1:30:51.160 --> 1:30:53.200 they have a bridge and then eventually they're going to 1:30:53.240 --> 1:30:53.519 pass it. 1:30:53.640 --> 1:30:56.920 The rookie win the job. That's a perfectly fine get 1:30:56.960 --> 1:30:58.040 that approach at any position. 1:30:58.479 --> 1:31:01.120 But now you know they're moving pieces around already with 1:31:01.200 --> 1:31:04.200 Vederian Lowe playing right tackle, and this this is how 1:31:04.320 --> 1:31:08.000 you get yourself into trouble. Pick a five. Yeah, it's 1:31:08.040 --> 1:31:10.200 not gonna be great on paper. It's they're not gonna 1:31:10.240 --> 1:31:13.799 be the the you know, nineteen ninety whatever Dallas Cowboys, 1:31:13.920 --> 1:31:16.400 right like, they're not gonna be awesome on paper, but 1:31:16.479 --> 1:31:19.479 pick a five, stick with the five and let's roll. 1:31:19.680 --> 1:31:22.519 Like this whole musical Chairs act is gonna get them 1:31:22.560 --> 1:31:26.280 into trouble. Now that being said, Calvin Anderson, I did 1:31:26.360 --> 1:31:29.720 want to touch on him briefly. Had a good chat 1:31:29.760 --> 1:31:31.400 with him, first of all, Like I just kind of 1:31:31.439 --> 1:31:33.559 hope that he makes it because he's super nice, nice, 1:31:34.400 --> 1:31:37.240 been through a yeah, like been through an absolute ton 1:31:37.600 --> 1:31:40.080 and he's like just genuinely a good a good dude. 1:31:40.520 --> 1:31:44.679 From my interactions that I've had with him, he would 1:31:44.800 --> 1:31:47.479 I asked him straight up about playing in an outside 1:31:47.560 --> 1:31:49.840 zone scheme, and you would have thought that I like 1:31:50.120 --> 1:31:53.360 just gave him, you know, a PS five on Christmas morning, 1:31:53.439 --> 1:31:55.040 right like his face just like lit up. He was 1:31:55.120 --> 1:31:57.400 like this is I love this, Like this is the 1:31:58.040 --> 1:32:00.280 offense I want to play in, Like this is all awesome, 1:32:00.320 --> 1:32:03.160 Like this is this is built for me. So I 1:32:03.360 --> 1:32:07.559 really am cautiously, cautiously optimistic that he could hold down 1:32:07.600 --> 1:32:10.200 that spot for the time being until Caden Wallace comes back. 1:32:10.720 --> 1:32:13.400 It does fit him. He's an athletic guy. He's a 1:32:13.880 --> 1:32:15.400 you look at it, go back and look at his 1:32:15.520 --> 1:32:20.160 combine testing numbers as rass relative athletic score is high. 1:32:20.280 --> 1:32:21.920 It was like nine something, I want to say, or 1:32:22.040 --> 1:32:25.439 maybe is eight eight high eight slow, nine something around there. 1:32:25.640 --> 1:32:28.639 He's an athletic dude. He can move, he can move latterly, 1:32:28.880 --> 1:32:31.000 He's got all the tools to be able to block 1:32:31.040 --> 1:32:34.960 in this system. So I'm cautiously optimistic that he might 1:32:35.720 --> 1:32:37.720 be in a much better place this time around right 1:32:37.840 --> 1:32:40.800 and that could maybe hold his water a little bit 1:32:41.080 --> 1:32:45.000 with the with the right tackle spot. But I'm with 1:32:45.080 --> 1:32:47.040 you one hundred percent. Like they have to pick a five, 1:32:47.400 --> 1:32:50.960 and they I just want to see on Monday be 1:32:51.120 --> 1:32:53.240 dialed into five guys, and I don't want it to change. 1:32:53.320 --> 1:32:55.680 Like the good teams, the good lines, they have a 1:32:55.840 --> 1:32:59.800 starting five, and barring injury, that doesn't all training camp, 1:32:59.840 --> 1:33:00.920 it's the same five dudes. 1:33:01.040 --> 1:33:04.439 I mean, be open and changing if it doesn't work. 1:33:05.160 --> 1:33:07.120 But I get what you're saying, like pick a group, 1:33:07.880 --> 1:33:09.920 give him a week and see what that looks like. 1:33:10.040 --> 1:33:13.439 And if in Detroit they're not having this conversation, they 1:33:13.560 --> 1:33:16.200 know the five guys, they've known the five guys all 1:33:16.240 --> 1:33:16.719 off season. 1:33:16.800 --> 1:33:18.479 I think the same five guys from last year, right, 1:33:18.560 --> 1:33:19.040 and they and. 1:33:19.200 --> 1:33:22.040 There's no question of like is this guy a guard 1:33:22.200 --> 1:33:24.160 a tackle and is that guy gonna play? Is this guy? 1:33:24.240 --> 1:33:27.679 No? No, well I'm not. You're talking about a team 1:33:27.720 --> 1:33:30.120 that's been building its roster for years versus a team 1:33:30.160 --> 1:33:30.640 that's in year one. 1:33:30.720 --> 1:33:33.280 I'm it's different. No, I'm not saying that the Patriots 1:33:33.360 --> 1:33:35.800 personnel should be on that level. I'm just saying that 1:33:36.600 --> 1:33:38.840 I said earlier that I wanted to be Mike Grease, 1:33:38.960 --> 1:33:42.160 so I just acted like Mike be the Detroit Lions. 1:33:43.320 --> 1:33:45.600 I like the Detroit I'm fine if they want to 1:33:45.640 --> 1:33:47.479 have a battle at one position. If you want to 1:33:47.520 --> 1:33:51.000 battle it right tackle and make Calvin Calan, Caten Wallace 1:33:51.040 --> 1:33:54.840 win the job, fine, like, but just the best right 1:33:55.000 --> 1:33:58.240 start start coming up with some continuity. God, I mean, 1:33:58.280 --> 1:34:00.759 he still probably was even play a guard. 1:34:00.840 --> 1:34:03.200 He's still all that. That whole thing was all bogus. 1:34:03.320 --> 1:34:05.280 All right, that's all I'm saying. I've talked a little 1:34:05.280 --> 1:34:07.960 bit about that. Let's let's talk about some of the 1:34:08.040 --> 1:34:11.040 receivers quickly here, and then we will talk some defense. 1:34:11.080 --> 1:34:13.839 I promise. I know we've been pretty offensivy, pretty. 1:34:13.640 --> 1:34:15.320 Usual non padded practice. 1:34:15.479 --> 1:34:19.800 So first, the first thing I wanted to I wrote 1:34:19.840 --> 1:34:22.400 down I wanted to talk about was just Jalen Polk's 1:34:22.439 --> 1:34:26.280 overall involvement. It's it hasn't been that he hasn't been 1:34:26.360 --> 1:34:29.280 lighting up practice or anything like that. Uh, but he's 1:34:29.840 --> 1:34:33.439 clearly somebody that they see as an immediate contributor. I 1:34:33.560 --> 1:34:36.080 think that's safe to say. And he's gotten a ton 1:34:36.120 --> 1:34:37.680 of targets and he's caught a few of them, Like 1:34:37.760 --> 1:34:41.759 it hasn't been a complete over and he's involved heavily. 1:34:41.880 --> 1:34:44.200 So I feel like they look at Jalen Polk and 1:34:44.360 --> 1:34:46.680 there's been some rumblings from inside the building that they're 1:34:46.720 --> 1:34:49.760 pretty uh bullish on what they've seen from Jalen Polk 1:34:50.080 --> 1:34:52.120 so far. It seems like he's going to be a 1:34:52.200 --> 1:34:54.200 guy that's going to be in the mix right away. Yeah. 1:34:54.240 --> 1:34:57.200 I wrote yesterday that the big takeaways he seems to 1:34:57.240 --> 1:34:59.439 have the early trust of the coaching staff. Yeah, Like 1:34:59.520 --> 1:35:03.200 they're give him opportunities and it's like you said, he's 1:35:03.280 --> 1:35:04.960 made the most of or not made the most of it, 1:35:05.000 --> 1:35:06.479 but he's he's made some plays. There's a couple of 1:35:06.479 --> 1:35:08.560 plays maybe he's left on the table. He was on 1:35:08.600 --> 1:35:10.800 the wrong side of a really good pass breakup from 1:35:10.840 --> 1:35:15.880 Jonathan Jones today. But Marcus Jones, Marcus Jones, thank you. 1:35:16.720 --> 1:35:20.280 But he's he's out there. He's out there. He's heavily involved, 1:35:20.360 --> 1:35:23.840 and I don't think that's gonna change anytime soon. Trod 1:35:24.000 --> 1:35:26.240 Meyellio Wolf talked at the draft about play the kids. 1:35:27.439 --> 1:35:29.920 That's what we're seeing, like he's getting the opportunities to 1:35:29.960 --> 1:35:31.840 go out there show what he can do and improve. 1:35:32.240 --> 1:35:36.439 Yeah, he's he doesn't jump off the practice field at 1:35:36.479 --> 1:35:39.439 you with like speed or you know, explosiveness or anything 1:35:39.560 --> 1:35:42.360 like that. But he's very smooth. You can tell that 1:35:42.400 --> 1:35:45.280 he's efficient with his movements, and he's made some plays 1:35:45.360 --> 1:35:47.120 underneath the defense that I think have been a little 1:35:47.120 --> 1:35:49.439 bit more impressive than the downfield targets that haven't been 1:35:49.520 --> 1:35:52.720 quite as successful. You know, very first throw I think 1:35:52.840 --> 1:35:55.960 of training camp, but from Jacoby Brissett on Marcus Jones, 1:35:56.040 --> 1:35:58.639 just like a little option route in the slot, quick out, 1:35:59.360 --> 1:36:01.920 made the cash in front of Christian gonzales On on 1:36:02.080 --> 1:36:05.679 the incut. Those types of plays. I feel like he's 1:36:05.720 --> 1:36:09.040 gonna thrive on more in the pros than maybe he 1:36:09.120 --> 1:36:10.800 did at Washington I mean, you watched a ton of 1:36:10.880 --> 1:36:13.479 that Washington offense, probably more than anybody. Yeah, and you 1:36:13.600 --> 1:36:15.800 know how that offense was. They didn't run routes in 1:36:15.840 --> 1:36:18.599 that offense. It's just run to space and Pennix will 1:36:18.640 --> 1:36:18.920 find you. 1:36:19.120 --> 1:36:22.800 And I think you're seeing a good mix of He 1:36:22.960 --> 1:36:24.960 has a real knack. This is one of my favorite 1:36:24.960 --> 1:36:27.000 things about him in the draft. He has a real 1:36:27.080 --> 1:36:30.200 knack for understanding what the defense is trying to do 1:36:31.000 --> 1:36:33.040 and getting himself to a spot where the quarterback can 1:36:33.080 --> 1:36:36.280 make a play. And he's combined that, you can call 1:36:36.320 --> 1:36:38.040 it a skillion, called an instinct, whatever you want to 1:36:38.080 --> 1:36:41.760 call it. He's combined that with he actually is looking 1:36:41.800 --> 1:36:43.800 pretty comfortable as a outrunner, I would say through a 1:36:43.840 --> 1:36:44.439 couple of days. 1:36:44.479 --> 1:36:47.040 So now tapped. I think in college, I think he's 1:36:47.320 --> 1:36:48.960 he's gonna be a guy in the pros that's gonna 1:36:49.000 --> 1:36:51.360 live at the first and second level. Yeah, Whereas in 1:36:51.439 --> 1:36:53.400 college because of the offense he played in, it was 1:36:53.880 --> 1:36:55.240 they were down the field. 1:36:55.520 --> 1:36:57.639 He's gonna be a second level guy. We talked about 1:36:57.720 --> 1:36:59.519 him leading into the draft is kind of a more 1:36:59.600 --> 1:37:03.439 explode of Jacoby Myers, and that's exactly what we've gotten 1:37:03.479 --> 1:37:05.200 through two days and going back to the spring. 1:37:05.320 --> 1:37:08.200 Yeah, the hope here is that some of these fifty 1:37:08.200 --> 1:37:10.439 to fifty balls that he's been targeted on down the field, 1:37:10.840 --> 1:37:13.080 once the quarterbacks have like a better feel for his 1:37:13.240 --> 1:37:16.400 pacing and like where he likes the ball right, then 1:37:16.640 --> 1:37:19.400 that maybe those things will be completed more often. You know, 1:37:19.680 --> 1:37:22.120 does he like it coming over his shoulder? Does he 1:37:22.320 --> 1:37:24.160 like to high point it, does he like to back 1:37:24.240 --> 1:37:26.000 shoulder it? Like those are the types of things that 1:37:26.080 --> 1:37:30.240 you talk about with the quarterbacks. And then eventually two 1:37:30.280 --> 1:37:33.000 weeks from now, they're putting the ball in the right place, 1:37:33.080 --> 1:37:35.160 and now he's making plays on those balls that were 1:37:35.240 --> 1:37:38.480 falling in complete earlier on in training camp. I'm optimistic 1:37:38.520 --> 1:37:40.280 that that can turn. Like, he's never going to be 1:37:40.320 --> 1:37:42.680 a guy that's gonna run by anybody, but if he 1:37:42.760 --> 1:37:45.519 can just have that threat of being able to go 1:37:45.640 --> 1:37:47.400 down the field a little bit and then win maybe 1:37:47.439 --> 1:37:50.200 in some contested situations every once in a while, it'll 1:37:50.280 --> 1:37:53.040 open up that second level for him even more. But 1:37:53.680 --> 1:37:55.840 I've been optimistic about what I've seen. I still think 1:37:55.880 --> 1:37:59.000 that the Jacobe Meyers, Tyler Boyd like that type of player. 1:37:59.120 --> 1:38:01.439 Is we where we were right on it like with 1:38:01.600 --> 1:38:04.080 those comps, like I feel that's how I feel when 1:38:04.120 --> 1:38:06.479 I watch him. Still, we haven't seen a ton of 1:38:06.880 --> 1:38:10.960 Javon Baker quite yet. He participating, but I think with 1:38:11.080 --> 1:38:13.759 the thumb injury in the spring, he's maybe a step 1:38:13.800 --> 1:38:18.639 behind Polk just from a learning standpoint at this point. 1:38:18.960 --> 1:38:21.720 So we'll probably have more to say I would say 1:38:21.840 --> 1:38:23.800 on on Javon Baker in a couple of weeks, like 1:38:23.880 --> 1:38:26.000 I feel like he'll catch up and and he'll be good. 1:38:26.040 --> 1:38:28.800 You know, he still looks like some of the things 1:38:28.840 --> 1:38:30.280 we said in the spring, but I don't want to 1:38:30.320 --> 1:38:31.640 overreact too much to some of the. 1:38:31.880 --> 1:38:33.559 One thing with him, Like he had a thumb injury, right, 1:38:33.640 --> 1:38:35.679 so he doesn't look like he's having any issues catching 1:38:35.720 --> 1:38:36.160 the football. 1:38:36.360 --> 1:38:40.000 Yeah, that's that's a good point. Okay, can we talk 1:38:40.000 --> 1:38:41.920 about Tae Kwon? Now? Can we do it? Yeah? 1:38:42.040 --> 1:38:43.439 Let's do it. Well, I think we got to talk 1:38:43.439 --> 1:38:45.080 about Tae Kwon and Jalen Rager together. 1:38:45.840 --> 1:38:48.559 That's exactly how I wrote it down. Taekwon versus Jalen 1:38:48.640 --> 1:38:52.080 Rager is the battle we didn't know we needed, but 1:38:52.280 --> 1:38:53.400 now it's amazing. 1:38:54.240 --> 1:38:58.160 But it's not like, let you are you ready to 1:38:58.200 --> 1:39:00.000 talk about Maurice Harris because we'renna talk about. 1:39:00.400 --> 1:39:03.920 So here's the thing. There is a giant role on 1:39:04.080 --> 1:39:08.040 this team, a gaping hole in this offense for somebody 1:39:08.120 --> 1:39:12.240 that can add some vertical speed to this team. If 1:39:12.320 --> 1:39:17.240 they are coming out in you know, whatever personnel grouping, 1:39:17.280 --> 1:39:19.280 it doesn't matter if they're coming out on the field, 1:39:19.640 --> 1:39:22.519 and it's like Jalen Polk and Pop Douglas and Hunter 1:39:22.640 --> 1:39:25.800 Henry and like you know, Osborne or Juju or whatever 1:39:25.960 --> 1:39:29.080 ends up being the third guy. Yeah, Pop is gonna 1:39:29.200 --> 1:39:32.680 is explosive, but he's not a deep thread, right, and 1:39:33.200 --> 1:39:35.200 they are going to be an offense that's still going 1:39:35.280 --> 1:39:37.160 to be operating in a phone booth if they have 1:39:37.240 --> 1:39:39.639 nobody that can run out by anybody on the outside. 1:39:40.680 --> 1:39:43.160 The only two guys on the roster unless Javon Baker 1:39:43.200 --> 1:39:45.920 starts to really come on here. And it's different with Baker, 1:39:46.000 --> 1:39:49.040 like he's not necessarily he's not a four to three guy. 1:39:49.080 --> 1:39:51.960 It's just he wins vertically differently. But maybe he can 1:39:52.040 --> 1:39:54.880 be the vertical X. It's the vertical X receiver. And 1:39:55.760 --> 1:39:58.920 Jalen Rager and Taekwon Thornton are in a battle royale 1:39:59.240 --> 1:40:02.040 for making this roster in that spot. We've both been 1:40:02.120 --> 1:40:04.000 a little bit more on the Rager train just because 1:40:04.000 --> 1:40:06.200 of the returnability, which I do think is a factor 1:40:06.240 --> 1:40:11.120 in this. But in general, h Ragger day on Day 1:40:11.200 --> 1:40:14.880 one kind of a Taekwon day today. I want to 1:40:14.920 --> 1:40:17.280 put in the context with Taekwon, No, a lot of 1:40:17.360 --> 1:40:19.439 it was like underneath stuff, Like most of it was 1:40:19.560 --> 1:40:22.280 seven on seven. Yeah, it wasn't a whole lot down 1:40:22.360 --> 1:40:24.479 the field like Rager's catch on Day one. 1:40:24.560 --> 1:40:27.160 Well, I would I would say in Taekwon's defense before, 1:40:27.160 --> 1:40:29.200 I kind of diminished both what he and Rager did. 1:40:30.200 --> 1:40:33.400 In Taekwan's defense, you like seeing him catch the ball 1:40:33.439 --> 1:40:35.360 underneath because that was what he couldn't do. We knew 1:40:35.360 --> 1:40:38.280 he could run a go route, but can you get 1:40:38.360 --> 1:40:40.639 yourself open underneath and catch the ball? And can get 1:40:40.640 --> 1:40:42.479 yourself open in the middle of field and catch the ball, 1:40:42.479 --> 1:40:45.519 and he did that today. That all being said, couple things. 1:40:45.600 --> 1:40:47.680 One with Taekwon, it's about staying healthy as much as 1:40:47.680 --> 1:40:51.720 anything else. Yeah, get through camp. He's opened his first 1:40:51.760 --> 1:40:55.000 two NFL seasons on ir get through camp, and that 1:40:55.560 --> 1:40:57.200 you can't win the competition if you can't do that. 1:40:58.000 --> 1:41:02.000 Second of all, we've seen the seven where the pads 1:41:02.040 --> 1:41:04.840 aren't on yet and the fast guys are just running by. 1:41:04.920 --> 1:41:09.240 Everybody want of draft fast guys, draft fast guys, right, 1:41:09.560 --> 1:41:11.439 but you don't even have to draft him again. To 1:41:11.479 --> 1:41:13.640 go back to Maurice Harris, we both thought it was 1:41:13.640 --> 1:41:15.599 our first year covering the team. They had the second 1:41:15.640 --> 1:41:18.439 coming Randy Moss. Turns out some players are better when 1:41:18.479 --> 1:41:20.559 you can't touch them. So to my point about Taekwon 1:41:20.560 --> 1:41:22.840 Thornton running the underneath stuff, yeah, it's encouraging to see, 1:41:22.880 --> 1:41:24.680 but also I want to see him do it when 1:41:24.680 --> 1:41:26.120 they can jam him at the line of scrimmage. Can 1:41:26.160 --> 1:41:27.600 he get off a jam? Things like that? And the 1:41:27.680 --> 1:41:30.120 same goes for Jalen Rager. Can he make catches when 1:41:30.160 --> 1:41:31.800 the receivers can be more physical than him? Can he 1:41:31.880 --> 1:41:34.040 run by guys when you're able to get a little 1:41:34.080 --> 1:41:35.720 more handsy and you can kind of bump and run 1:41:35.760 --> 1:41:36.280 down the field. 1:41:36.400 --> 1:41:38.920 So in no offense, but maybe it's not as eazy 1:41:39.000 --> 1:41:41.280 Hearn that's the guy in coverage, and maybe. 1:41:41.120 --> 1:41:44.760 It's Christian No he beat the deep Boss by Marcus Jones, 1:41:44.760 --> 1:41:47.240 I think yesterday, right, No, that was easy Hearn the 1:41:47.320 --> 1:41:50.120 first one. Yeah, they weren't both were they both as 1:41:50.160 --> 1:41:54.280 easy hearn? Okay, well again, well the very least let 1:41:54.360 --> 1:41:56.360 his easy hearn play physically because he's a physical corner. 1:41:56.520 --> 1:41:58.200 Yeah, so no, I'm not trying to pick on his 1:41:58.280 --> 1:41:58.680 easy hurt. 1:41:58.720 --> 1:42:02.120 No, I know, I I just have trouble. It is 1:42:02.200 --> 1:42:04.080 what it is, and they had good days and they 1:42:04.120 --> 1:42:06.120 deserve credit for having good days, and having good days 1:42:06.160 --> 1:42:07.840 at this point is better than not having good days 1:42:07.840 --> 1:42:10.760 at this point. So it's laying the foundation. But we've 1:42:10.840 --> 1:42:14.920 done this long enough, Evan that we've seen speed guys 1:42:15.600 --> 1:42:17.880 pop in the first week and then the pads come on. 1:42:18.560 --> 1:42:21.519 We forget about him within a day. So I do 1:42:21.720 --> 1:42:23.800 think one of them is gonna make the team. I 1:42:23.920 --> 1:42:26.679 still go Rager. It doesn't I was saying this yesterday. 1:42:26.680 --> 1:42:28.479 Whenever it's like, oh, you were saying Rager and he 1:42:28.560 --> 1:42:32.120 had this great day, look at that. No, I still 1:42:32.160 --> 1:42:33.920 think Jalen Rager is gonna make the team. Has nothing 1:42:33.960 --> 1:42:36.120 to do with what happened yesterday, because at the end 1:42:36.120 --> 1:42:37.920 of the day, one of the guys can play special teams, 1:42:37.960 --> 1:42:41.200 the other one can't. He's also just been better in games, 1:42:41.479 --> 1:42:43.960 and he's been a better player in the past that too. 1:42:44.080 --> 1:42:47.840 But yeah, it's I'm not gonna get hyped about either 1:42:47.880 --> 1:42:51.080 of them as receivers until the pads come on. Like 1:42:51.160 --> 1:42:53.240 they again, they had good days. Give him credit for it, 1:42:53.479 --> 1:42:56.320 they deserve it, but I'm not ready to make any 1:42:56.320 --> 1:42:59.080 sweeping proclamation about either of them before the pads come on. 1:42:59.360 --> 1:43:02.280 Fair points. The one encouraging thing has nothing to do 1:43:02.360 --> 1:43:04.160 with either one of those guys. But they do have 1:43:04.280 --> 1:43:07.479 a quarterback, especially with Drake May. But I also think 1:43:07.560 --> 1:43:09.680 Jacoby ber Said as a much bigger arm than Mac 1:43:09.760 --> 1:43:12.840 Jones or Bailey Zappy. So they have these quarterbacks now 1:43:12.920 --> 1:43:17.120 that if Taekwon Thornton gets behind the defense fifty yards 1:43:17.160 --> 1:43:18.880 down the field, they have a quarterback that can actually 1:43:19.040 --> 1:43:22.280 throw it, yeah, fifty yards down the field. So when 1:43:22.320 --> 1:43:25.680 I watch Thornton and I watch Rager, do I think 1:43:25.760 --> 1:43:27.400 either one of those guys is all of a sudden 1:43:27.520 --> 1:43:29.920 going to become, you know, fifteen hundred yard receiver. No, 1:43:30.000 --> 1:43:33.000 of course not. But they have a quarterback now that's 1:43:33.040 --> 1:43:35.240 going to be able to actually get the ball down 1:43:35.320 --> 1:43:37.559 the field, and that makes their speed a little bit 1:43:37.600 --> 1:43:38.120 more threatening. 1:43:38.240 --> 1:43:38.719 Absolutely. 1:43:38.920 --> 1:43:41.240 Yeah. And the guy I keep coming back to with 1:43:41.360 --> 1:43:44.240 both of them, but especially with Taekwon is tes Walker, 1:43:44.360 --> 1:43:46.960 Like I just feel like Drake May was able to 1:43:47.040 --> 1:43:49.799 do it with tes Walker. They are very similar players 1:43:49.840 --> 1:43:51.920 to me in terms of their skill set. I think 1:43:51.960 --> 1:43:54.840 tes Walker might be a little heavier, but in general, yeah, 1:43:54.920 --> 1:43:58.280 they're similar guys. And that's the type of receiver that 1:43:58.439 --> 1:44:01.000 Drake May on the outside likes to throw to. You know, 1:44:01.080 --> 1:44:03.920 he likes to throw to a guy that could win deep. 1:44:04.320 --> 1:44:06.960 I think Javon Baker is gonna eventually be that dude 1:44:07.240 --> 1:44:09.519 that's gonna be the guy that he's gonna feature mostly 1:44:09.600 --> 1:44:12.320 going deep, but that speed X receiver is a guy 1:44:12.400 --> 1:44:14.960 that they need. Not only are they gonna, in my opinion, 1:44:15.080 --> 1:44:17.799 needed vertically, but I think there's also a horizontal element 1:44:17.920 --> 1:44:20.560 of it too. They're gonna need somebody that's gonna be 1:44:20.600 --> 1:44:22.880 a threat on jet motion and different you know, types 1:44:22.880 --> 1:44:25.080 of motions and things like that. You know, maybe that's 1:44:25.120 --> 1:44:27.559 Pop Douglas, but I think you have to get back 1:44:27.600 --> 1:44:30.320 to the conversation of managing you know, body blows with 1:44:30.360 --> 1:44:33.120 Pop Douglas too, and managing his workload to make sure 1:44:33.160 --> 1:44:36.800 he stays healthy, you know, Rager Thornton. Those guys could 1:44:36.880 --> 1:44:40.360 be guys that are used as a jet sweep even 1:44:40.400 --> 1:44:43.280 if it's just as smoking mirrors, you know, if they 1:44:43.280 --> 1:44:45.519 don't actually get the balld. But that type of thing. 1:44:45.800 --> 1:44:48.080 I'm with this type of offense. So I'm with you. 1:44:48.200 --> 1:44:50.760 I'm not gonna get to any grand proclamations. I'm not 1:44:50.840 --> 1:44:54.280 gonna get all hot and bothered by Taekwon Thworton and 1:44:54.400 --> 1:44:57.400 and today. I've honestly been more hot and bothered by 1:44:57.439 --> 1:44:59.519 Taekwan in other days than today because so much of 1:44:59.560 --> 1:45:01.920 it was, like, you know, he's catching like five six 1:45:02.040 --> 1:45:04.840 yard passes, Like I'm not going to get crazy about that. 1:45:05.120 --> 1:45:06.880 You know, I was more impressed with him. It's at 1:45:06.920 --> 1:45:08.720 points in the spring, to be honest, with some of 1:45:08.720 --> 1:45:10.960 the things that he did down the field. You know, 1:45:11.040 --> 1:45:13.320 he made that one catch I remember in the spring 1:45:15.040 --> 1:45:17.720 way like deep ball from Drake May Like that was 1:45:17.760 --> 1:45:20.679 the most impressive play he's made so far this offseason. Still, 1:45:21.000 --> 1:45:23.640 so I'm with you on that. Let's move away to 1:45:23.720 --> 1:45:27.080 the defense. I got a few more minutes here to 1:45:27.200 --> 1:45:27.960 talk about some of this. 1:45:28.320 --> 1:45:30.120 I do you have one special team's thought too? Again? 1:45:30.160 --> 1:45:32.759 Oh, I wanted to ask you about that about special 1:45:32.800 --> 1:45:35.360 teams in general in the second, But first I want 1:45:35.400 --> 1:45:37.240 to start with Marcus Jones. Yeah, I feel like he's 1:45:37.240 --> 1:45:39.599 probably been the highlights so far on the defense. Obviously, 1:45:39.880 --> 1:45:41.280 you know you're not going to talk too much about 1:45:41.280 --> 1:45:44.680 the defensive line and not bad practices, but a big 1:45:44.800 --> 1:45:47.479 question coming into to the spring and to the summer, 1:45:47.560 --> 1:45:51.080 I should say, yeah, I was whether people thought he 1:45:51.160 --> 1:45:53.280 was a good football player or not. Miles Bryant played 1:45:53.280 --> 1:45:55.760 a ton for this team last year and he's no 1:45:55.880 --> 1:45:59.320 longer here, so that slot corner roll is completely up 1:45:59.360 --> 1:46:02.479 for grabs. We've talked at times about Alex Austin playing 1:46:02.479 --> 1:46:05.479 outside and John Jones kicking back inside. So far, I 1:46:05.520 --> 1:46:08.479 feel like we've seen more Gonzales and Jones on the 1:46:08.560 --> 1:46:10.960 outside with Marcus Jones in the slot as like their 1:46:11.000 --> 1:46:14.800 primary nickel. Yeah. Look, and Marcus Jones, to his credit, 1:46:15.000 --> 1:46:16.040 has been awesome. It's been good. 1:46:16.160 --> 1:46:18.320 A great pass breakup on Jalen Polk today. You know, 1:46:18.400 --> 1:46:20.120 bigger receiver and we've seen him. We saw him do 1:46:20.200 --> 1:46:24.000 it two years ago, contend with those bigger receivers and 1:46:24.160 --> 1:46:26.760 he definitely has an act for that. So he's been good. 1:46:27.200 --> 1:46:29.720 In him being good unlocks a lot because we talked 1:46:29.720 --> 1:46:32.800 about there's they're better on the boundary than they are 1:46:32.880 --> 1:46:35.040 in the slot. You know they have talent in the slot, 1:46:35.120 --> 1:46:37.600 but maybe not as much depth. If Marcus Jones is 1:46:37.640 --> 1:46:39.759 the guy you're comfortable putting in that spot the majority 1:46:39.800 --> 1:46:41.840 of the time, it gives you the freedom to put 1:46:41.880 --> 1:46:45.120 Jonathan Jones on the boundary. You don't have to maybe 1:46:45.160 --> 1:46:47.280 put as much on the plate of a guy like 1:46:47.360 --> 1:46:49.599 Alex Austin or Isaiah Bolden who's been getting a ton 1:46:49.640 --> 1:46:53.400 of run in that role as well, and it stretches 1:46:53.479 --> 1:46:56.800 it out. So good start again, smaller player. Let's see 1:46:56.800 --> 1:46:58.880 when the Pats come on. You know, I'm broken record. 1:46:58.680 --> 1:47:01.519 With that, but maybe it's good start for him, good 1:47:01.560 --> 1:47:03.880 start for him. He deserves credit for that. And I 1:47:03.880 --> 1:47:06.599 would also say that with Marcus Jones and Alex Austen, 1:47:06.640 --> 1:47:09.559 it feels very matchup based. Right. If you are playing 1:47:09.600 --> 1:47:13.240 a team that has bigger receivers, right, then maybe that 1:47:13.640 --> 1:47:16.200 week it's Alex Austen and Gonzales on the outside with 1:47:16.280 --> 1:47:18.479 John Jones going back to the middle of the field. 1:47:18.920 --> 1:47:21.400 But if you're playing Miami. You know, we say this 1:47:21.479 --> 1:47:24.240 all the time about Marcus Jones, great matchup against Miami, and. 1:47:24.240 --> 1:47:27.840 No, they're definitely And what's encouraging and you see guys 1:47:27.880 --> 1:47:30.000 like Alex Osten having success and you see guys like 1:47:30.320 --> 1:47:33.680 Marcus Jones having success. Is there's now an ability to 1:47:33.760 --> 1:47:36.839 mix and match ye, and you don't have to handcuff 1:47:36.920 --> 1:47:39.880 yourself on your personnel. You have the depth and you 1:47:40.040 --> 1:47:44.240 have the diversity of skill sets to be able to 1:47:44.280 --> 1:47:46.240 play different teams in different ways. And that's when you 1:47:46.320 --> 1:47:49.000 can truly be game play and defense, which is ultimately 1:47:49.040 --> 1:47:49.680 what they want to be. 1:47:49.840 --> 1:47:52.559 Yeah, and we should also mention on defense that Matthew 1:47:52.640 --> 1:47:55.519 Judon is out there participating and he looks like a 1:47:55.680 --> 1:47:59.000 you know, full participant in these practices. He's not holding in, 1:47:59.640 --> 1:48:01.639 he's not limited in any sort of way. It doesn't 1:48:01.640 --> 1:48:04.280 seem like and there still seems to be you know, 1:48:04.360 --> 1:48:06.519 the one front seven guy ade point two. There still 1:48:06.520 --> 1:48:08.360 seems to be a decent amount of buzz about Keon 1:48:08.439 --> 1:48:11.120 White and his role in all of this. They've been 1:48:11.160 --> 1:48:14.400 in a lot of their like two down linemen pass 1:48:14.479 --> 1:48:17.639 rushing fronts so far because it's such a pass heavy 1:48:17.680 --> 1:48:21.040 time of year, and he's been in that group and 1:48:21.200 --> 1:48:23.360 he's been sort of working as more of a stand 1:48:23.479 --> 1:48:26.280 up player. I still feel like we have to figure 1:48:26.320 --> 1:48:28.160 out where he what he is like, is he a 1:48:28.200 --> 1:48:30.360 stand up guys hand in the dirt guys he had 1:48:30.800 --> 1:48:34.240 outside linebacker? You know, maybe a guy that can run 1:48:34.640 --> 1:48:37.320 Russia inside, you know at times to and reduce inside 1:48:37.360 --> 1:48:39.880 over a guard or something like that. But Keon White 1:48:40.000 --> 1:48:42.639 is continuing to buzz a little bit. I would say, 1:48:42.960 --> 1:48:45.920 is there anybody else on defense that you feel like 1:48:45.960 --> 1:48:47.320 deserves a shout? Sort of? 1:48:47.640 --> 1:48:50.000 And this is where I get into my Special team's take. Okay, 1:48:50.720 --> 1:48:52.360 you know who's been playing a good amount of safety 1:48:52.880 --> 1:48:55.639 even a little bit with the ones Brendan Schooler. Brendan Schooler. Yeah, 1:48:55.880 --> 1:48:59.160 And I wonder this is one of the big questions 1:48:59.160 --> 1:49:01.479 of the post Belichick era, how is it going to 1:49:01.560 --> 1:49:05.720 work with these special team specific players We've seen chrishnellis 1:49:05.800 --> 1:49:07.719 Joe Giles, Harris get a ton of run on defense, 1:49:07.800 --> 1:49:09.400 guys that we think are gonna be in that role. 1:49:10.160 --> 1:49:12.519 I wonder with Schooler, is it one of two things? 1:49:12.560 --> 1:49:13.920 I guess it could be a little bit of both. 1:49:14.439 --> 1:49:16.960 All Right, we want you as our Special Teams captain, 1:49:17.040 --> 1:49:19.840 but we need you ready because you're also going to 1:49:19.880 --> 1:49:22.120 be an emergency safety for us and they don't have 1:49:22.160 --> 1:49:24.839 a ton of depth at deep safety. It's Jalen Hawkins 1:49:24.880 --> 1:49:27.160 and then he's kind of been the next guy when 1:49:27.200 --> 1:49:30.559 they want to put Dugger in Pepper's both in the box. Yeah, 1:49:30.880 --> 1:49:33.519 or is it we have Jalen Hawkins who can play 1:49:33.520 --> 1:49:36.280 special teams like you and you can play free safety, 1:49:36.960 --> 1:49:39.000 So what more can you do for us? 1:49:39.120 --> 1:49:39.519 Kind of thing? 1:49:39.600 --> 1:49:42.720 Right? So, I and in the past he's played there 1:49:42.760 --> 1:49:45.160 a little bit, but it's been a lot more this 1:49:45.360 --> 1:49:47.639 summer than he did the last two years. In the past, 1:49:47.680 --> 1:49:49.479 he was kind of just with that third unit. It 1:49:49.560 --> 1:49:52.080 felt like they needed a body to get eleven guys 1:49:52.120 --> 1:49:54.120 on the field and he was out there. No, this 1:49:54.400 --> 1:49:59.080 is he's getting like real safety reps. Yeah, and I 1:49:59.200 --> 1:50:01.639 think he might have ret over John at Joshua Bleds 1:50:01.640 --> 1:50:02.080 so at times. 1:50:02.280 --> 1:50:02.439 Yeah. 1:50:02.720 --> 1:50:06.280 So it we should mention, you know, without Marte Mapu. 1:50:06.600 --> 1:50:09.000 You know some Marte Mopu not a deep safety necessarily, 1:50:09.080 --> 1:50:11.840 but it's just another safety that wasn't practicing. But I 1:50:11.880 --> 1:50:13.040 feel like the Jalen Hawk No. 1:50:13.120 --> 1:50:15.720 But but even yesterday, even yes, he was. 1:50:15.720 --> 1:50:17.880 More with the twos yesterday today I noticed it with 1:50:17.960 --> 1:50:18.200 the one. 1:50:18.320 --> 1:50:21.680 Yeah, but I it does feel like and maybe it's 1:50:21.760 --> 1:50:24.160 just on an emergency basis and that's probably all it 1:50:24.200 --> 1:50:27.719 should be. Yeah, it does feel like they're getting Brandon 1:50:27.800 --> 1:50:29.200 Schooler ready to play some safety. 1:50:29.880 --> 1:50:32.519 Jalen Hawkins. That whole thing seems to be cooling off 1:50:32.560 --> 1:50:33.160 a little bit. 1:50:33.240 --> 1:50:34.880 You think, So maybe I feel like he's been out 1:50:34.880 --> 1:50:35.439 there good amount. 1:50:35.880 --> 1:50:38.360 Maybe I haven't noticed it as much as I should. Again, 1:50:38.560 --> 1:50:40.759 you know, when we do the shows during practice, I've. 1:50:40.720 --> 1:50:43.000 Not he was right. He was also playing some slot 1:50:43.080 --> 1:50:43.719 corner today. 1:50:43.920 --> 1:50:45.320 Okay, So maybe I missed that. 1:50:45.520 --> 1:50:48.000 They're they're putting him that he's been on the field 1:50:48.000 --> 1:50:50.120 a lot, but it hasn't just been at free like 1:50:50.439 --> 1:50:51.960 he's in the box a little bit today. I saw 1:50:52.040 --> 1:50:53.320 him he got a couple of reps in the slot, 1:50:53.479 --> 1:50:55.479 So I think they're just getting him ready for a 1:50:55.600 --> 1:50:56.400 very multiple role. 1:50:56.800 --> 1:50:58.840 All Right, one more quick thing on the day. I 1:50:58.880 --> 1:51:01.640 actually I've liked what I've seen Autam Marcellus dial to 1:51:02.160 --> 1:51:05.320 is that some good the other some good coverage moments 1:51:05.360 --> 1:51:06.800 like away from the ball and stuff like that that 1:51:06.880 --> 1:51:09.719 I've seen. I really like their corners. 1:51:10.479 --> 1:51:11.360 It's their best position. 1:51:11.520 --> 1:51:13.280 Yeah, I feel like it really is. I Mean, there's 1:51:13.280 --> 1:51:15.519 some questions about who's gonna play wear and that sort 1:51:15.560 --> 1:51:18.200 of thing, but it does you know christiangan Zalez and 1:51:18.240 --> 1:51:20.839 Jonathan Jones is your top two is already pretty solid 1:51:20.960 --> 1:51:24.040 and they have some options behind them, So I'm pretty uh, 1:51:24.160 --> 1:51:27.759 I'm pretty optimistic. They get out there at practice yesterday 1:51:27.800 --> 1:51:31.000 and I couldn't help, but it was their starting defense. 1:51:31.080 --> 1:51:34.479 And they come out there and they have Christian Zalees 1:51:34.520 --> 1:51:37.160 on one side, Jonathan Jones on the other, Peppers and 1:51:37.240 --> 1:51:43.320 Dugger up top. They have Dietrich Wise, Godshaw, bar More 1:51:44.120 --> 1:51:47.680 Judaan on the outside to Vibe Bentley, And I'm just like, 1:51:49.240 --> 1:51:51.840 I mean, that's that's a hunit man. That's a unit 1:51:51.960 --> 1:51:54.839 like that. Like I'm like thinking of myself just compared 1:51:54.920 --> 1:51:57.160 to the rest of the league. And there aren't a 1:51:57.200 --> 1:52:00.519 whole lot of defenses in the NFL that you look 1:52:00.600 --> 1:52:04.240 at eleven starting caliber players. 1:52:03.920 --> 1:52:05.919 And a lot of those guys have really good backups. 1:52:06.080 --> 1:52:06.920 Yeah, you didn't. 1:52:06.920 --> 1:52:09.240 I don't think you said ke On White, Like you 1:52:09.320 --> 1:52:12.479 didn't mention Daniel Quality who's back and healthy. You didn't 1:52:12.479 --> 1:52:13.519 mention Marcus Jones. 1:52:13.720 --> 1:52:15.880 There's just not a whole lot of holes. No, there's 1:52:15.920 --> 1:52:20.320 not a whole lot of holes. Really quickly did before 1:52:20.360 --> 1:52:23.880 we wrap here? Is it just me? And maybe you 1:52:24.120 --> 1:52:26.439 disagree with this completely because you definitely pay more attention 1:52:26.520 --> 1:52:28.600 to special teams than I do. It doesn't feel like 1:52:28.600 --> 1:52:30.360 they've done a ton of special teams through the first 1:52:30.400 --> 1:52:30.800 two days. 1:52:30.880 --> 1:52:34.719 They did one sort of punt on air thing today 1:52:34.760 --> 1:52:35.960 that was it. No, there hasn't been a lot of 1:52:36.000 --> 1:52:36.519 special teams. 1:52:36.520 --> 1:52:38.640 So I are you upset? Are you disappointed? Is this 1:52:38.760 --> 1:52:42.479 hurt your feelings? Like they've basically treated your days of 1:52:42.520 --> 1:52:43.280 the game like it's not. 1:52:43.439 --> 1:52:44.800 One, it's a long camp. 1:52:45.640 --> 1:52:45.800 Two. 1:52:47.640 --> 1:52:49.519 Outside of field goal kicking, I'd like to see them 1:52:49.560 --> 1:52:51.960 do some because that's a battle, like let's see that. Yeah, 1:52:52.000 --> 1:52:54.880 But like the kickoff stuff, the punt stuff, that's so 1:52:55.120 --> 1:52:57.320 much more meaningful with pads, like you gotta be able 1:52:57.360 --> 1:52:59.439 to hit. Is there a chance that kickoff stuff is 1:53:00.040 --> 1:53:03.000 they're gonna I also think there's an element of that too, 1:53:03.080 --> 1:53:06.680 that that's they're just gonna cram that when they put 1:53:06.760 --> 1:53:09.200 Pop Douglas back on the field and all that after 1:53:09.240 --> 1:53:10.599 we're out it. No, I think it's a real chance 1:53:10.600 --> 1:53:12.599 they're gonna hide the kickoff stuff. But like I haven't, 1:53:12.600 --> 1:53:14.839 I haven't done the Stopwatch yet. Two days. No Stopwatch, 1:53:14.880 --> 1:53:16.519 that's exactly what I thought of, So I was like, 1:53:16.560 --> 1:53:19.040 we don't have big times, but you know what, you 1:53:19.320 --> 1:53:21.559 want to work with gunners and all that. You gotta 1:53:21.600 --> 1:53:23.240 be able to hit. You gotta be able to hit. 1:53:23.320 --> 1:53:26.000 So I like to see it. But and ask me again, 1:53:26.040 --> 1:53:27.320 when we do the show next week and. 1:53:27.320 --> 1:53:28.960 We've had a few padded practice, I want you to 1:53:29.000 --> 1:53:31.400 come in here angry if there's not more special teams 1:53:31.439 --> 1:53:31.880 next week. 1:53:31.840 --> 1:53:33.800 If they haven't done it by this time next week, 1:53:33.840 --> 1:53:36.360 when you they'll have had what Monday will be padded yea, 1:53:36.560 --> 1:53:38.720 probably Tuesday or and then two of the other three days, 1:53:38.760 --> 1:53:42.280 probably three of the four days next week will be padded. Yeah, 1:53:42.880 --> 1:53:44.600 I'll be a little annoyed at that point. I'll be like, 1:53:44.640 --> 1:53:46.720 what are we doing? Special teams? Wasn't great? We need 1:53:46.760 --> 1:53:49.200 to be better at this, But I I love it 1:53:49.920 --> 1:53:52.960 outside of the field goals, non padded practices. If they 1:53:53.000 --> 1:53:54.640 want to use this, they got a new offense to 1:53:54.680 --> 1:53:57.200 get installed. They're playing catch up a little bit. Yeah, 1:53:57.280 --> 1:53:59.080 I can understand that part. 1:53:59.160 --> 1:54:00.519 Jeremy Springers chilling. 1:54:01.479 --> 1:54:02.639 Is he chilling or is he in the left? 1:54:02.680 --> 1:54:06.799 He's collecting the paycheck, cooking, he's doing American Dreamers. 1:54:07.040 --> 1:54:11.200 He has worked, He's working because I said, they're not 1:54:11.240 --> 1:54:13.120 doing field goal stuff. I'm talking about team field goal 1:54:13.640 --> 1:54:15.960 most of the time. When the and it's been a 1:54:16.040 --> 1:54:18.280 lot of seven on seven and eleven on eleven, that 1:54:18.479 --> 1:54:21.599 second field is wide open, and he's right there standing 1:54:21.640 --> 1:54:24.280 over Joey Sly and Chad Ryland as they're kicking and 1:54:24.360 --> 1:54:27.000 the is they're kicking field goals off the tee. So 1:54:27.640 --> 1:54:30.040 he and he's got two kickers to figure out. No, 1:54:30.240 --> 1:54:30.759 he's working. 1:54:31.680 --> 1:54:35.640 We get a lot of questions about, you know, has 1:54:35.720 --> 1:54:39.920 this been different than a Belichick practice? What's different between 1:54:40.040 --> 1:54:43.520 this and Belichick's practices. Bill Belichick is not going to 1:54:43.680 --> 1:54:46.720 full practices without doing any special team. You're bringing out 1:54:46.760 --> 1:54:48.840 the Stopwatch within the first thirty minutes of the day. 1:54:48.840 --> 1:54:50.760 He won a training camp with Bill Belichick, Like, you 1:54:50.920 --> 1:54:54.160 are not getting this deep into training camp with this 1:54:54.320 --> 1:54:57.560 little special teams. I get the different. 1:54:57.480 --> 1:55:00.280 I'm not gonna I get outside of field goal, which 1:55:00.320 --> 1:55:02.160 I yeah, they could work on a little more. I'm 1:55:02.200 --> 1:55:05.040 not going to miss special teams reps in non padded practice. 1:55:05.040 --> 1:55:07.560 They're just they don't hold a ton of weight fair enough. 1:55:07.680 --> 1:55:10.720 But this is different or no, it's different, not good 1:55:10.760 --> 1:55:12.920 or bad. It is different again, but if they're still 1:55:12.960 --> 1:55:14.720 not doing it next week when the pads come on. 1:55:16.760 --> 1:55:17.360 Different story. 1:55:17.560 --> 1:55:22.920 Last thing on differences between Belichick and this it's very 1:55:23.080 --> 1:55:25.640 very very early to be talking about scheme and stuff 1:55:25.720 --> 1:55:29.360 like that. But defensively, it feels like nothing changed. Like 1:55:29.440 --> 1:55:31.400 I'm sure they're going to have a couple of wrinkles 1:55:31.440 --> 1:55:31.800 here and there. 1:55:31.840 --> 1:55:33.960 That's another one that I think once we're out of there, 1:55:33.960 --> 1:55:34.360 they'll start. 1:55:34.520 --> 1:55:36.720 Yeah, and I'm sure that that DeMarcus coming in and 1:55:36.800 --> 1:55:38.240 Girod may are going to want to put their own 1:55:38.280 --> 1:55:40.920 spin on things and have, you know, different wrinkles and 1:55:41.000 --> 1:55:43.360 maybe be a little bit more aggressive in certain spots, 1:55:43.400 --> 1:55:45.400 certainly on first and second down. I saw a great 1:55:45.440 --> 1:55:50.440 stat in the FTN Fantasy like Almanac and Aaron Chats 1:55:50.480 --> 1:55:54.680 puts out, the Patriots were near the bottom end of 1:55:54.760 --> 1:55:58.160 the league in pressure rate on first and second down defensively, 1:55:58.560 --> 1:56:00.880 and they were top five on their down. So I 1:56:00.960 --> 1:56:04.880 build was not like all the pressure, all the pressure 1:56:04.960 --> 1:56:06.760 was coming on third down. Yeah, right, and they weren't 1:56:06.760 --> 1:56:09.680 cooking up that I think could change. But as of 1:56:09.800 --> 1:56:11.840 right now, if you told me, you know, is it 1:56:11.920 --> 1:56:14.880 a new playbook on defense? This is they're running the 1:56:14.960 --> 1:56:19.320 Belichick scheme defensively, and maybe we'll see some wrinkles down 1:56:19.360 --> 1:56:22.760 the road. But I'm not expecting to reinvent the thing. Yeah, 1:56:22.840 --> 1:56:24.600 I'm not expecting it to reinvent the wheel. But I'm 1:56:24.600 --> 1:56:27.560 glad you're not too upset that you haven't been able 1:56:27.640 --> 1:56:28.320 to record anything. 1:56:28.360 --> 1:56:30.280 If you can't tell, I was worried about you for 1:56:30.480 --> 1:56:32.080 if you can't tell, I don't get too worked up 1:56:32.080 --> 1:56:33.640 about non pad of practice. I don't. 1:56:34.160 --> 1:56:36.560 It's probably a good approach, you know. 1:56:36.640 --> 1:56:38.840 I try, but I've been burned. No, I learned my 1:56:38.960 --> 1:56:40.040 lesson on that I've been burned. 1:56:41.080 --> 1:56:41.520 Who did I have? 1:56:41.600 --> 1:56:45.000 You had Maurice Harris? Who's the wide receiver? It's like 1:56:45.120 --> 1:56:47.120 twenty nine. I don't remember. 1:56:47.120 --> 1:56:50.120 There's a I think one of our very first arguments 1:56:50.200 --> 1:56:51.400 was over Gunner Roshevski. 1:56:52.120 --> 1:56:54.000 But I was right about gun you. 1:56:54.920 --> 1:56:55.520 I told you. 1:56:55.800 --> 1:57:00.480 You say, you said, direct quote, he does not belong 1:57:00.600 --> 1:57:02.000 in an NFL training camp. 1:57:02.440 --> 1:57:03.320 He isn't he did. 1:57:03.680 --> 1:57:07.640 He is an All Pro. He is an All Pro. 1:57:07.840 --> 1:57:11.000 I had one punt return against the Chargers in twenty twenty, 1:57:11.080 --> 1:57:12.720 and he won All Pro because. 1:57:12.480 --> 1:57:15.520 He is in All Pro. And you said he did 1:57:15.600 --> 1:57:17.920 not belong in an NFL training camp. 1:57:18.000 --> 1:57:20.560 I was talking about him as a receiver. I'll admit 1:57:20.640 --> 1:57:23.120 when I was wrong. No, no, no, that's not that's 1:57:23.200 --> 1:57:25.560 not you not wrong, But that's not you were saying. 1:57:25.640 --> 1:57:27.480 You said he did not belong in a kid. You 1:57:27.560 --> 1:57:29.880 did not qualify it like that, because that doesn't make sense. 1:57:30.960 --> 1:57:33.680 I got really excited about Philip Dorset one year. That's 1:57:33.720 --> 1:57:34.120 what it was. 1:57:34.280 --> 1:57:37.080 Oh, that's fair that he at least was an NFL 1:57:37.120 --> 1:57:39.000 because I liked him before he got here. 1:57:39.120 --> 1:57:40.840 Maurice Harris, Maury's Harris was a different for. 1:57:40.840 --> 1:57:43.240 People who don't know who Maurice Harris is. And then 1:57:43.280 --> 1:57:45.920 we're wrapping up. Yeah, me and Evans first year spring practice. 1:57:45.920 --> 1:57:48.120 It would neither have ever seen a spring practice because 1:57:48.120 --> 1:57:50.640 those aren't open to the media. We go and Maurice 1:57:50.680 --> 1:57:52.800 Harris was this guy the Patriots had signed. He'd like 1:57:52.880 --> 1:57:55.040 bounced around the league. He's like twenty seventh. Wow, he 1:57:55.160 --> 1:57:57.360 was younger, he's only thirty one. He was in like 1:57:57.440 --> 1:57:59.920 his mid twenties. He'd been in Washington for a few years. 1:58:00.080 --> 1:58:02.200 And the Patriots sign him in a one year deal 1:58:02.240 --> 1:58:05.520 late in free agency, and uh, he tore it up 1:58:05.560 --> 1:58:07.920 in the spring like he was awesome. He is great. 1:58:07.960 --> 1:58:10.080 He's catching deep balls left and right from Tom Brady 1:58:10.360 --> 1:58:12.120 and we walked out of there thinking, oh my god, 1:58:12.640 --> 1:58:15.640 they found a guy and out of nowhere, just free 1:58:15.640 --> 1:58:18.560 agent off the street. He's dominating and he was like 1:58:18.680 --> 1:58:20.920 this tall, skinny guys, kind of built like Taekwon. And 1:58:20.960 --> 1:58:22.839 then they put the pads on and he completely disappeared. 1:58:22.880 --> 1:58:24.400 I don't think he made it through camp. I think 1:58:24.440 --> 1:58:25.520 he got cut before camp. 1:58:25.600 --> 1:58:28.400 And to be fair to him though, like Brady was 1:58:28.440 --> 1:58:31.040 into it and I don't mean to pick on him. Yeah, 1:58:31.080 --> 1:58:33.440 Brady was running over to him, and Brady kept throwing 1:58:33.520 --> 1:58:33.920 to him. 1:58:33.840 --> 1:58:36.440 But because he was always open, because they couldn't hit him, 1:58:36.480 --> 1:58:38.360 and he was fast enough to run by him. Yeah, 1:58:38.400 --> 1:58:41.760 and you learn the lesson that it's there's more to 1:58:41.880 --> 1:58:42.200 it than that. 1:58:42.480 --> 1:58:45.000 Yeah. Absolutely, we have to wrap up. Jack and Michigan 1:58:45.080 --> 1:58:47.120 called in so well, I know, what's up Jack? How 1:58:47.200 --> 1:58:47.640 you doing. 1:58:51.000 --> 1:58:51.360 Guys here? 1:58:51.400 --> 1:58:51.520 May? 1:58:51.640 --> 1:58:53.080 Yeah, you're on the air. What's up? 1:58:54.560 --> 1:58:58.640 Quick question? I am flying out to training camp the 1:58:58.760 --> 1:59:02.320 week of the twelve. Are you guys gonna be there 1:59:02.560 --> 1:59:04.960 signing things? I want to get a Catch twenty two 1:59:05.080 --> 1:59:08.640 flag created for myself for you guys to sign. 1:59:09.120 --> 1:59:12.440 Well, that's amazing. I didn't a really had a that 1:59:12.600 --> 1:59:14.760 big of a fan, and I really appreciate that. That's 1:59:14.880 --> 1:59:17.800 like very flattering. Yeah, well we're at every camp practice. 1:59:17.800 --> 1:59:18.240 I mean I am. 1:59:18.280 --> 1:59:19.720 I don't know, Yeah, I know, I'll be there. Yeah, 1:59:19.720 --> 1:59:22.120 well it's only two practices that week is twelfth and thirteenth. 1:59:22.200 --> 1:59:25.240 Yeah, so we'll be at every practice. Alex is much 1:59:25.280 --> 1:59:28.680 better than I am about about poking around at pre 1:59:28.840 --> 1:59:31.800 practice because we do Unfiltered live on most days, but 1:59:32.320 --> 1:59:34.800 by that time, we won't be doing the show live 1:59:34.920 --> 1:59:37.520 during practice, so I can. I'll definitely be down there 1:59:37.560 --> 1:59:40.080 and you should come say hi, or we can find you, 1:59:40.280 --> 1:59:42.880 or vice versus. If somebody has a catch you have, 1:59:43.000 --> 1:59:44.560 like a flag with the show logo on it. 1:59:46.160 --> 1:59:46.440 They do. 1:59:46.840 --> 1:59:49.280 I went to look for a PU or a Catch 1:59:49.360 --> 1:59:51.680 twenty two flag, but they don't have them. So the 1:59:51.760 --> 1:59:53.800 sun sits to a custom flag. You just send it 1:59:53.840 --> 1:59:54.880 an image and they make. 1:59:54.760 --> 1:59:57.360 It for you. If I see somebody waving a Catch 1:59:57.400 --> 1:59:59.240 twenty two flag, I will absolutely come over. 1:59:59.120 --> 2:00:02.000 One hundred percent, absolutely awesome. 2:00:03.640 --> 2:00:03.760 One. 2:00:03.840 --> 2:00:05.520 Thanks Jack, thank you so much for listening. 2:00:05.600 --> 2:00:09.040 That's we've got to sign like the inside, like like 2:00:09.560 --> 2:00:11.160 each sign of too I think is the way to 2:00:11.200 --> 2:00:11.640 do it right. 2:00:11.840 --> 2:00:15.000 Yeah, I mean, Marie, we we need merch, like that's 2:00:15.040 --> 2:00:17.040 what we're like. He's looking for a flag and we 2:00:17.080 --> 2:00:18.600 don't have a flag to sell him. Like this is 2:00:18.600 --> 2:00:21.680 an opportunity. Where's mister Kraft Like I'm giving him more money. 2:00:21.760 --> 2:00:22.840 I hope they're listening upstairs. 2:00:22.920 --> 2:00:25.720 Yeah, I still think like a Patriots jersey that's number 2:00:25.760 --> 2:00:27.160 twenty two that says catch on the back. 2:00:27.240 --> 2:00:30.040 That's that's not I feel like we could make a 2:00:30.120 --> 2:00:31.920 T shirt with this logo on it easily. 2:00:32.760 --> 2:00:34.920 No, do it a with the twenty two and it 2:00:34.960 --> 2:00:36.480 says Catch is the name. 2:00:36.760 --> 2:00:40.320 That's we're making more money for this organization. 2:00:40.520 --> 2:00:43.080 What good guys we are when they when they have 2:00:43.200 --> 2:00:46.040 when they pay DK Metcalf the bag next spring. It's 2:00:46.080 --> 2:00:48.640 because of all the Catch twenty two. I want flags. 2:00:48.680 --> 2:00:51.000 When Matthew Judon gets his extension, I want him to 2:00:51.000 --> 2:00:51.640 come thank us. 2:00:51.800 --> 2:00:53.880 We haven't sold the merch doesn't exist yet. 2:00:54.120 --> 2:00:57.520 Well, it will, all right, it will, all right. We're 2:00:57.520 --> 2:00:59.440 gonna have to wrap it up, but we will be 2:00:59.560 --> 2:01:02.600 back next week, probably around the same time because we 2:01:02.840 --> 2:01:05.040 write and we have different things going on, so it 2:01:05.120 --> 2:01:08.240 might be a little bit later but before we sign off, Bridgestone, 2:01:08.280 --> 2:01:10.760 the official tire of the New England Patriots, is proud 2:01:10.800 --> 2:01:13.879 to sponsor with a partner with Sullivan Tire, New England's 2:01:14.040 --> 2:01:17.920 headquarters for quality Bridgestone Tires. Visit Sullivantire dot com to 2:01:18.040 --> 2:01:20.400 find a location near you. 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